A Bit Fruity with Matt Bernstein - November 28, 2025


Jeffree Star Has Always Been Like This

The Jewish Fear Industrial Complex Samantha Fulnecky Failed the Grift

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00:00:00.000 So nowadays, it's all these fucking weirdos telling their kids, oh my God, you like a Barbie? 1.00
00:00:06.940 You're a woman. 1.00
00:00:08.040 And then the pandemic put a halt on all of our lives, right?
00:00:10.540 Right.
00:00:10.820 Six feet apart.
00:00:11.600 That was a lie, by the way.
00:00:13.660 That was a full lie. 0.93
00:00:15.300 Trump is taking away visas if you're tweeting, I'm glad he died. 0.96
00:00:19.120 Good.
00:00:19.940 I want to teach people to eat better and how we've all been tricked and the government doesn't care about us and they want to keep us sick.
00:00:25.580 Oh, baby, they weren't ready for that.
00:00:26.780 Now they are. 0.81
00:00:27.220 We have grown men with beards, wearing dresses, going into the women's restroom.
00:00:32.360 I think it's the phones.
00:00:34.240 I think it's made people, I don't know, dead inside.
00:00:37.040 No one goes and plays outside.
00:00:38.480 I will always use my platform and my voice for good.
00:00:42.040 hello hello and welcome back to a bit fruity i'm matt bernstein and i've been feeling kind
00:01:02.020 of under the weather and i got up this morning and i was like i don't know if i can record a 0.63
00:01:05.980 podcast and then i remembered the subject of today's podcast and like i'm up let's fucking go 0.70
00:01:12.300 on the day that charlie kirk died jeffrey star did what he does best went live on tiktok and a 0.75
00:01:21.020 twitter influencer by the name of gypsy patriot underscore shared jeffrey's reactions to charlie's
00:01:27.320 death with the caption jeffrey star speaks about the assassination of charlie kirk and you won't
00:01:32.580 believe what he has to say here's what he had to say he encouraged everyone to speak about their
00:01:39.140 beliefs whether he believed them or not am i a republican no i'm a person because i'm standing
00:01:44.140 up for someone that passed away i'm now being called names in the chat this is what's wrong
00:01:47.760 with a lot of you people you will never get far in life you are sick in the head someone just said
00:01:51.940 they're unsubscribing from me thank god please because if you believe in vain thems you're part
00:01:56.600 of the problem. If you're so stupid enough to go against science, please unfollow me. You can 1.00
00:02:02.820 be whoever you want to be, but there's science and there's facts. You can pretend in your head
00:02:08.980 you're a cat. You can pretend in your head that you're this and you're that. Good for you. You're
00:02:13.400 still only A or B. And the truth hurts a lot of you, I see. I see a lot of you still can't get
00:02:18.640 over it. So yes, I am a grown ass man that wears makeup. I will always be a male. My name is 0.99
00:02:24.240 Jeffrey. I am a male that likes cosmetics. All these grown men going into women's bathrooms
00:02:30.260 wearing wigs. You should all be in prison forever. You are the problem. So a grown man that goes 1.00
00:02:36.680 around the country debating people, spitting facts, was just taken out. And I'm not over it.
00:02:44.200 I can't sit here and play with makeup right now. I want to throw up. So no, I'm not a Republican.
00:02:48.180 No, I'm not a Democrat. I'm Jeffrey Starr. Stop trying to label me. Stop trying to label me.
00:02:54.240 I am a male, I am a makeup artist, I am a makeup mogul, I am a business owner, I am a farmer, I am a rancher, I am a son, I am someone's cousin, I am someone's friend.
00:03:05.680 Politics aside, biology will never change.
00:03:10.080 Why is I up for debate?
00:03:11.920 Am I saying any of this?
00:03:13.200 Because Charlie Kirk fought for the rights.
00:03:17.420 He fought for the truth.
00:03:19.460 He debated everybody.
00:03:21.400 And you guys cannot argue that. 1.00
00:03:23.280 you are delusional and you are mentally ill if you were trying to go against what i just said 1.00
00:03:26.840 i didn't say my opinion i said a fact 1.00
00:03:30.000 he really told us i'm not a democrat or a republican i'm a man i'm a makeup artist
00:03:40.220 i'm a wife i'm a cousin i'm a brother i'm a single mom who works two jobs
00:03:46.600 that video to me had the energy of the video of the male model where he's like 180 poses in two 0.99
00:03:54.820 minutes like he's like i'm a farmer i'm not a republican charlie kirk i hate non-binary people
00:04:00.300 biology men in a wig like it's literally it was just buzzwords it's yes literally and that's the 0.55
00:04:07.780 thing the conservative grift is easy it is a script that just gets repeated over and over and over and
00:04:14.480 over again. That's kind of why it sounds like that. Because literally all he's doing is going
00:04:19.860 down the list of very popularly stated transphobic points and repeating them with the knowledge that
00:04:27.080 there's a large group of people who are going to agree with him. There's so many layers to what he
00:04:33.740 says. And I think we have to remember how old Jeffree Star is too. Because one thing I will say
00:04:39.560 is that there are people who have some of these feelings and some of it is based in like, when
00:04:44.380 When he says, don't label me, there are a lot of especially older queer folks who feel
00:04:49.640 that way and feel that there's a lot of people who are eager to label others in ways that
00:04:54.880 aren't how they actually feel.
00:04:57.840 So I can get how Jeffree Star would be like, I'm not non-binary personally.
00:05:01.780 Don't call me non-binary because I'm a man who wears makeup.
00:05:05.220 That's not my identity.
00:05:06.380 That's not who I am.
00:05:07.480 I am a male, da-da-da-da-da, because that's how he feels, right?
00:05:11.260 Layers.
00:05:11.660 There were so many people who were surprised by Jeffree Star having this like very visceral
00:05:17.040 reaction to Charlie Kirk's death. For so many reasons, I was not one of those people who was
00:05:21.980 surprised. We'll get into it. What I was surprised by, though, was how he was like,
00:05:27.900 this is terrible. Charlie Kirk died. And then it's like a four minute long coke rant about
00:05:32.200 non-binary people. It gives like an absurdist quality where it's like, it's almost hard to 0.86
00:05:39.740 believe that people do take jeffree star seriously politically but to your point kat he's just
00:05:46.740 repeating what is already said to these people in a multitude of different ways he's just like
00:05:51.360 spitting it out at them and they're so used to hearing this messaging that it clearly doesn't
00:05:56.060 even bother some people that he is can't even focus on the topic of charlie kirk he's going
00:06:02.000 veering between these things because the audience just needs to hear those phrases and that's what
00:06:08.560 he knows and like as a content creator watching it i'm like i know you don't like this was almost
00:06:14.300 like a prepared speech that you're giving or like something you know is going to perform a certain
00:06:18.520 way because i don't even believe that he believes some of what he's saying 100 so as always i like
00:06:25.940 to lay some groundwork on this podcast everyone is coming here with their own well of knowledge
00:06:31.940 And you may have the pleasure of not yet knowing my nemesis, Jeffrey Lynn Steininger Jr., a.k.a.
00:06:40.540 Jeffree Star.
00:06:41.500 Jeffree Star is, first and foremost, a cockroach of the internet.
00:06:46.240 He was, at one point, the most friended person on MySpace, then rode the wave of beauty YouTube
00:06:52.700 into becoming one of its foremost celebrities, built a makeup empire alongside that success,
00:06:58.240 then transitioned into becoming a TikTok star, where he spends all day live streaming to huge
00:07:03.320 audiences. And his most recent act, seemingly, is doing audience capture with the American far
00:07:09.880 right. Jeffrey's open embrace of far right politics, while looking like a sort of femme
00:07:16.160 queen, non-binary alien, or as one Twitter user would put it, like Kylie Jenner was put through
00:07:23.100 a dehydrator, has led many to wonder, how? How can you look like that and talk like that and be so, 0.53
00:07:31.820 among other things, transphobic? And like so into Charlie Kirk. Many people were confused about that.
00:07:37.620 Why is this gender-bent, pink-haired person lecturing me about how I should feel about
00:07:43.360 Charlie Kirk? It doesn't make any sense. Or does it? Today, we're going to do a deep dive into 0.98
00:07:49.540 jeffrey star's long existence as a public figure and demonstrate not only that jeffrey star's
00:07:55.300 current act makes so much sense but also that like jeffrey star is just another example of
00:08:02.400 what white men can become when there are no real mechanisms of accountability in place for bad
00:08:07.240 behavior and prove my thesis that jeffrey star is donald trump sorry there's kind of a wild card
00:08:14.660 at the end there but i'll make i'll make the case i mean these are all just like white men who were
00:08:18.680 like did alleged sexual abuse and got away with it and now they feel like they can do anything 1.00
00:08:23.320 and so they do they've got weird hair and they love sucking dick i love that 0.99
00:08:26.720 to do this i am so excited to be joined by this is the cat and cat special we are joined by cat 0.99
00:08:38.780 black who is a veteran youtuber who has been online and making content for so long and who 0.75
00:08:45.700 has chronicled jeffree star's youtube career at great length fuck that man 0.85
00:08:50.860 and by kat tenbarge who if you listen to this podcast a lot you're already familiar with
00:08:59.080 kat is a journalist and has also been chronicling especially the misdeeds of jeffree star for a long
00:09:05.880 time she is the person who broke the investigative reporting around jeffree star's alleged sexual
00:09:12.120 harassment and assault allegations and the hush money allegations which we're going to be talking
00:09:17.620 about all of that today so if any of that feels like a sore spot for you just know that that's
00:09:22.340 going to be part of this conversation cat and cat welcome to the show thank you for having us
00:09:28.600 it's such an honor to be in this cat duo right now at times too how are you guys broad strokes
00:09:35.500 feeling going into this conversation about this person i know jeffree star but i have since written
00:09:42.460 jeffree star off and i've seen whispers of what he's doing now but like last time i had a
00:09:49.140 conversation with you this is some stuff that i'm probably going to learn a lot of as we go
00:09:52.940 because jeffree star to me is just such an annoying person like figure just like concept idea whatever
00:10:01.100 that when i see him i just ignore it so this will be an interesting episode because i'll i'll get to
00:10:06.740 learn that i guess he has not really changed i suppose it's funny to me that people are still
00:10:12.240 talking about it i think that's one of the baffling things about this is that like i think
00:10:16.540 i made my video like 10 years ago like it's we're still talking about jeffree star and that's that's
00:10:22.060 fascinating to me actually it actually proves a lot of the point that i was kind of making in that
00:10:27.200 those videos, which is that like, no, he's going to continue to be successful and known and
00:10:31.000 celebrated because he has that much power in this world as a white man. Yeah. And I feel
00:10:36.000 kind of similarly in that there was a period in my life a few years ago when I was reporting on
00:10:42.840 Jeffree Star, and there would be stretches of time when I would be thinking about Jeffree
00:10:47.080 every day, like day in, day out, because I would be knee deep in writing these stories and
00:10:53.240 reporting these stories about him. But around that time period, around when, as we'll talk about,
00:10:59.600 he became a quote-unquote farmer, he kind of started to fall off the map for me a little bit,
00:11:04.940 but he was always sort of there in the background. And in recent months, as I've watched him start to
00:11:11.320 reemerge in this form, I'm like, yeah, this is just yet another twist on who Jeffrey has always
00:11:17.700 been at his core. Shall we get into the chronology of Jeffree Star? Absolutely.
00:11:21.920 I want to just do a teeny bit of early life. Jeffrey Lynn Steininger was born in 1985 in LA
00:11:29.720 and raised in Orange County, just like another fixture of this podcast.
00:11:39.280 No guesses. I was not raised in but I lived there for six years. Oh, wait, I actually knew that
00:11:45.220 about you. Well, so the answer is Gwen Stefani. Okay, yeah. Oh, I should have known that one.
00:11:51.120 Kat Black, as someone who was in Orange County, lived there for some time, can you just explain if anyone's unfamiliar with like the social and political landscape of Orange County?
00:12:01.840 Okay, so I live in Los Angeles largely because I spent a really long time living in Orange County attempting to be a housewife, and I'm not kidding. It didn't go well. Turns out being the only black trans woman in a community of white conservatives is kind of not healthy for me.
00:12:22.260 Orange County is very conservative. Orange County is where people live when they don't want to live
00:12:28.340 in scary LA. And when you're living in Orange County, there is this concept of never leaving
00:12:33.020 the orange curtain, which is really about not going to the big scary city where all the black 1.00
00:12:38.540 people are. That's really more of what it's about. A lot of Orange County more recently 1.00
00:12:43.280 has become more blue or gone purple. But historically, it has been a very white 0.67
00:12:50.720 supremacist place. It's been a stronghold for that. And I left in 2016. 2017 actually is when
00:12:57.940 I left. I was very happy to leave because it is now very much MAGA country.
00:13:03.540 Yeah. So that is where Jeffree Star grew up. Jeffree's dad dies by suicide when Jeffree
00:13:09.620 is five years old and he was raised by his mom. The way that Jeffree Star talks about his childhood,
00:13:15.680 He was always really into makeup from the time that he would use his mom's makeup, you know, secretly, which like relatable.
00:13:24.260 He was from a young age really into like gothic looks and sort of like this really high femme sort of alternative presentation.
00:13:32.520 He also talks about his experiences with bullying or lack thereof.
00:13:36.920 jeffrey star has said in more recent interviews that i've watched he'll say in the same breath 0.98
00:13:43.160 that he wasn't bullied but that also when like people would call him a faggot out of a moving 0.96
00:13:48.460 car for example that he would stand up for himself and he would fight back and he would like put 0.98
00:13:54.140 bitches in their place i am probably one of the only people that looks like me that has never 0.98
00:13:58.140 been bullied i was never really bullied at all i always stuck up for myself and if someone tried 0.99
00:14:02.220 me i'd get vicious back i love i used to love fighting and so it's like it sounds like you 0.96
00:14:08.400 were bullied and like i can't imagine being queer in like the late 90s early 2000s in fucking 0.79
00:14:14.200 orange county and not being bullied but this sort of like mythology that he has about himself 0.83
00:14:19.600 is one where like anyone who's mean to him he'll be twice as mean back and so like that's how the
00:14:24.780 world should be kind of yeah it strikes me that like the persona jeffrey had from his like late
00:14:32.860 teenage years onward it's formed of this sort of violent exterior where he has this persona both in
00:14:41.520 his content online and people who knew him in real life at that time period described like
00:14:47.680 real physical acts of violence toward other people so it's like he has this super aggressive way of
00:14:54.560 dealing with the world around him that feels very much so like it literally emerged from his
00:14:59.800 childhood. And also the values in his early content are him like sort of punching down on
00:15:07.620 other vulnerable, marginalized individuals, like unhoused people, black people, like all kinds of
00:15:14.420 other minorities, really. And do you know why he's doing that? Because he's trying to gain the favor
00:15:19.020 of like the white dudes who are bullying him. Because if they can say, Oh, I also hate black 1.00
00:15:25.140 people, you know, that's, that's what it's all about. And when I look at Jeffrey Starr, that is 0.99
00:15:30.280 immediately what I read of him. And I get it. I've lived in conservative communities for the
00:15:35.040 vast majority of my life. There's a lot about his personality and even some of my less favorite
00:15:40.520 conservative figures on the internet who are in the alphabet mafia, who have this persona thing
00:15:47.020 that kind of comes from being in a very conservative community, being attacked, but then
00:15:51.740 finding inroads with some of those people who are attacking you, where you become essentially one of
00:15:58.540 the good ones. Like, oh, yeah, we may have called you a faggot, but you're one of the good ones, 0.99
00:16:02.640 right? Like, we can joke with you, like, we'll still be bigoted, maybe to other people. But 1.00
00:16:07.920 you know, you're cool, or you're cool within certain contexts. So he's still even in that
00:16:12.980 video we just watched he's still seeking the approval from that group of people who would
00:16:18.540 typically hate him who do hate him actually that's that's i think behind the vast majority of like
00:16:24.460 the conservative lgbt frankly after graduating high school in 2002 jeffrey star like hustles
00:16:31.700 for gigs he talks about using a fake id to get into hollywood clubs to meet celebrities and then
00:16:39.220 sort of like offer himself up as a makeup artist and it was through this sort of hustle that he
00:16:45.680 became the makeup artist for kelly osborne did you know this i could see it i can i could think
00:16:51.460 of her her makeup of that era and think of his makeup of that era and it does match it does
00:16:56.760 match jeffrey talks about how he would steal kelly osborne's clothes to take i mean like steal quote
00:17:02.960 unquote but he would take her clothes and then take myspace photos pretending that like they
00:17:07.540 were his clothes to project wealth that he did not really have which i think is also a really
00:17:13.580 interesting through line because we're going to talk about yes jeffree star's accumulation and
00:17:19.140 transfers and drop-offs of wealth and it is very very hard to understand how much money jeffree
00:17:25.280 star actually has at any given point in time also very bling ring which was around this era
00:17:30.720 Very bling ring. I recently, like a month ago, randomly was like, I'm going to watch every
00:17:38.920 documentary about the bling ring. This whole thing of like Jeffree Star sort of like slipping into
00:17:43.420 clubs in the early 2000s to try to like link up with celebrities that he had nothing to do with.
00:17:48.040 It is very bling ring. And Jeffree actually knew in like the early 2000s, loosely through like a
00:17:55.280 social circle one of the guys whose house had been robbed by one of the bling ring members early on
00:18:01.380 like before they did the huge celebrity houses they just like robbed one of their high school
00:18:05.940 friends's houses yes and like jeffrey like vaguely knew that guy through myspace circles so it's all
00:18:11.640 a very like incestuous community of like we love fame we want to get close to fame and like they're
00:18:17.920 almost like like vampiric way i feel like if history had been tweaked ever so slightly jeffrey
00:18:23.000 star would have been in the bling ring and then he would have like gone to jail for two years and
00:18:26.360 like we would never would have heard from him again oh if only jeffree star was in the bling
00:18:29.860 ring so in 2003 jeffree joins myspace and quickly becomes extremely myspace famous now i just turned
00:18:39.280 27 and i don't really know that much i don't really know that much about my space
00:18:45.380 it was a spectacle i mean all of us were friends with jeffree star on on myspace because it was
00:18:51.980 the era of that you know you added as many people as possible you organized your top friends it was
00:18:58.300 a very political thing and everyone wanted to be on jeffree star's page and like a series of other
00:19:03.460 people who also turned out to be shitty um but i remember coming to school and being like oh did
00:19:09.140 you see what jeffree posted and it's always like some outlandish thing i remember vividly the
00:19:15.640 fruit loops picture of him. Yes. Self inducing. Wait, what is this? This great example of how
00:19:22.320 he hasn't changed. Actually, it was a picture of him making himself throw up fruit loops. And you
00:19:28.600 know, it was a very kind of cool looking weird, like edgy picture. But it was such a great example
00:19:33.660 of him doing edge lordship because obviously at this era, people had sensitivity around anorexia
00:19:40.980 and body and things like that that was early 2000s right and so yeah that's a good example
00:19:45.860 of him being like edgy and glamorous and like not giving a thought like not give not caring
00:19:52.380 and like yeah i did it yeah yeah i did it and the thing is i think a lot of people don't understand
00:19:57.920 like how common that attitude was online because there were less of us online like social media
00:20:04.500 was like starting to really become a thing and like you know if you were an early adopter you
00:20:09.880 were kind of often also more of like a nerdy person too what really struck me was how specific
00:20:16.820 of an aesthetic there was to this era like i don't think it really has a lot of easy one-to-one
00:20:23.220 comparisons like this was the hot hot topic goth like jeffrey fell into that category with like the
00:20:30.160 hot pink hair and like the crazy looks but what i think really defined this era was also just like
00:20:37.160 tiny scene queen girls like literally the scene queens of myspace and jeffrey wove his social
00:20:43.300 life into theirs and like understood very early on that one of the ways to stay relevant in addition
00:20:50.680 to cultivating this really like shocking aesthetic and having this shock jock persona was also to
00:20:57.520 put himself in the social world and sort of cause drama and he also at this era was appearing in
00:21:03.980 like the background of kesha music videos and there are there are photos of him and demi lovato
00:21:08.920 from this era at house parties he really wanted to embed himself in the scene um and he succeeded
00:21:15.620 i was watching while preparing for this episode like there's like all sorts of old jeffree star
00:21:22.280 myspace content like on the internet archive and like deep deep deep in reddit there are just these
00:21:28.320 videos of him with like his other mostly like white scene queen type friends and they're just
00:21:36.200 being so unbelievably racist yeah like like really like truly shocking like just like throwing around
00:21:44.420 the n-word a lot of like anti-mexican racism it's it's it's quite shocking watching me because i
00:21:51.700 wish they were famous and sadly i am they'll never be anything so they've done a little shack 0.98
00:21:57.200 with their fucking you know little lighters because they can't even afford an oven to bake 0.99
00:22:00.900 their little food and they just keep on harassing me it's so pathetic i love it i really think you'd 1.00
00:22:06.360 get away with fucking making a fake jeffry star profile just to promote yourself and getting 1.00
00:22:10.880 pissed off and fucking being a dumb fucking black hoe so pathetic i mean one of the videos i did 1.00
00:22:17.840 was about several of the clips that had resurfaced where he had like been saying the n-word right 1.00
00:22:23.220 and a lot of people at the time saw these these videos and were like things were so much different
00:22:29.420 back then and keep in mind you guys i'm 35 i was there you know like it was racist then it was and
00:22:37.040 it's still racist now these people just kind of got away with it because the one thing that has
00:22:41.240 changed is that there are more people on the internet it's not really subculture anymore and
00:22:46.660 i think that's the thing that a lot of people don't really have a good context for like i had
00:22:51.840 to sneak on the internet to get onto to my space and start a zanga and do all this shit now it's
00:22:58.040 in everybody's pockets right and so now what you have is a wider range of people looking at what 0.98
00:23:03.580 you're doing and these kids could just be racist you know they could post really heinously racist
00:23:09.620 stuff you know i've been posting videos on the internet there was a time when i didn't post
00:23:13.720 videos with the idea that other people would see them or that the videos would get outside of my
00:23:19.860 immediate circle of people or you know I wouldn't think about people capturing it or downloading it
00:23:25.380 or thinking about it so I know that a lot of these kids they made these videos uploaded them
00:23:30.760 mostly probably for their friends there was probably a large amount of people on the internet
00:23:35.660 who at the time were still subculture who were laughing at it but not necessarily criticizing
00:23:41.460 it because everyone kind of understood that that's kind of the weird thing that they were doing is
00:23:45.440 like being racist and like a safe way. Right. And no one really criticized it. And then when
00:23:50.500 these things resurface, because Jeffrey Starr's issue, in my opinion, I mean, issue, it's a good 0.99
00:23:55.300 thing. He, he decided to jump on the bandwagon of extended shade ranges and started to become
00:24:01.860 very much about, yeah, I I'm all about black women and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And so when
00:24:06.580 these things resurface and he centered himself as like a central figure on social media, who is a
00:24:12.920 trusted source there are a lot of people who are naturally going to ask does a person who would
00:24:18.280 make that content even back then keeping in mind that not every white person goes through a racist
00:24:22.840 phase right would that person be the right person to trust when it comes to black women and extended
00:24:30.260 shade ranges and there were still a lot of people who swore by the makeup swore by the quality of
00:24:36.800 it swore by his opinion of other makeup and said you know maybe jeffree star was racist back then
00:24:43.160 but you know he's clearly changed my main argument was i mean really all he's trying to do is like
00:24:49.680 most capitalists make more money by selling products that can be sold to certain types of
00:24:53.680 people right like at the end of the day it doesn't matter how extended your shade range is like you're
00:24:59.180 still trying to make money it's not actually charity you know but people treated it like
00:25:03.660 charity. And I think Jeffree Star largely survives on the idea that he's in some way doing charity.
00:25:10.020 And I think like, going back to that early MySpace era, the racism was a prominent feature.
00:25:16.920 The like top influencers were either incredibly fair skinned and white, like they were all white
00:25:22.540 people for the most part, and or openly white supremacists. This was viewed as like a part of
00:25:27.800 edgy culture, a part of cool culture. And Jeffrey performed in Warped Tour, where popular bands and
00:25:34.200 singers used this type of iconography to be edgy. It was a fetishization of racism, of white
00:25:40.780 supremacy, also of things like self-harm, of eating disorders. And this stuff fed itself into
00:25:47.320 Jeffrey Starr's content and was a part of his aesthetic image as well. Yes. And Jeffrey, at this
00:25:53.260 point he loved like you said it's like fetishizing this sort of like nazi iconography he loved
00:26:00.560 confederate flags and he loved swastikas and to that end there's something i need to talk about
00:26:07.200 but i do want to add that like to me from a psychological place a lot of this reads as like
00:26:14.360 not to give him too much grace and not that it justifies anything but like to me a lot of this
00:26:19.740 behavior makes sense as like a cry for attention. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, this is someone who
00:26:25.340 right whose whose dad died by suicide when he was five, who like grew up as like this openly 0.88
00:26:30.660 effeminate queer kid and like a very conservative place. And it's like it to me, a lot of it just 0.84
00:26:35.900 seems like acting out. Definitely. 100%. I mean, a lot of people who rose to prominence on the
00:26:41.460 internet, not just in the MySpace era, but throughout the entire timeline and history of
00:26:45.900 the internet. A lot of these people are young influencers from incredibly troubled, volatile
00:26:51.860 home backgrounds. A lot of times they're very lonely and isolated, which is why they spend so
00:26:57.080 much time on the internet, putting content of themselves on the internet. A lot of time they've
00:27:01.780 been abused, like lots of times like trauma in their backgrounds. And unfortunately, the internet
00:27:08.360 is a very comfortable place for people like this to thrive. And it rewards and incentivizes the
00:27:15.740 worst possible behavior that they are willing to do, partly because of their backgrounds.
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00:29:51.100 fruity now let's get back to the show and every time something new resurfaces about jeffree star
00:29:58.680 and people being like can you believe jeffree star is a conservative i'm like you guys don't
00:30:03.780 think that the guy who started lipstick nazi would be a conservative but the problem is
00:30:09.780 they don't know about lipstick nazi are you two familiar with jeffree star's first attempt at a
00:30:15.120 beauty brand i am unfortunately yeah around 2006 jeffree star launches lipsticknazi.com i can't
00:30:26.480 believe the words that are coming out of my mouth right now do either of you want to describe what
00:30:31.540 lipstick nazi is i mean people dig this up every few years and it is a revelation to too many but
00:30:38.220 essentially like you have this myspace era web design classically the hot pink lipstick the
00:30:45.820 super heavy black and glitter eyeliner and pink swastikas pink razor blades barbed wire
00:30:54.720 lipstick nazi.com hollywood like this is falls into this myspace aesthetic that is so specific
00:31:01.400 so clearly. And at around the same time, there was a rumor. So I don't know how much of this
00:31:08.520 survived to this day. But there was always kind of like an allegation that floats around from time
00:31:13.400 to time that fans would like self harm and post those pictures online in tribute to Jeffree Star.
00:31:22.140 Yeah, that honestly, regardless of whether or not that is true, that does feel like
00:31:27.020 a rumor that jeffree star would indulge oh totally because it would be like look how much these people
00:31:31.840 love me in an interview that jeffree star gave recently he you know now he's really leaning into
00:31:37.960 this like anti-cancel culture conservative grievance politics like way more openly and
00:31:43.120 like you said cat black like using the script that he knows how to follow he went on a cancel
00:31:47.760 culture riff that i thought was really fascinating and for some reason around 2013 everyone became a 0.96
00:31:54.180 pussy and people were it was a very bizarre shift like all my crazy wild jokes were now 0.94
00:32:00.740 and i'm like okay got it and people got really really weird and i think now we're at a place 0.98
00:32:07.880 where people should be held accountable for really awful things right i think cancel culture is kind
00:32:13.000 of over but like we talked about you're gonna glorify and make fun of someone that was murdered
00:32:17.060 on like now you're getting the repercussions so the people that are losing their jobs trump is
00:32:22.780 taking away visas if you're tweeting i'm glad he died good now you're being held responsible 0.72
00:32:28.760 versus oh you made a joke when you were 12 we're gonna hate you forever i think people are allowed
00:32:33.420 to grow and change and what's funny is he would love to be a kid right now making a charlie kirk
00:32:40.140 joke like that i can imagine that he would literally be doing that like if he was a little
00:32:46.200 teen because that's what the little teenagers are doing right now if he was a kid now and like all
00:32:51.080 of this had happened in the early 2000s jeffrey would have like made a lipstick called like charlie's
00:32:56.000 blood yeah but yes it's so interesting and conservatives do this now which is also like
00:33:02.220 jeffrey star just becoming like a run-of-the-mill conservative grifter type is so boring to like i
00:33:09.260 hold him to a higher standard like do a more complex grift than that but he's doing what
00:33:14.660 they all do which is like creating a very narrow definition of accountability that includes
00:33:20.420 everyone he personally disagrees with and not himself. And also reducing his entire
00:33:27.180 wild past of very overt racism that went well into his 20s as a joke that I made when I was 12.
00:33:35.000 There are two things about what he said in that clip that really irritated me. The first thing
00:33:40.500 is when he talks about the cancel culture of the 2010s and how this period was so wrong,
00:33:47.260 he weaponized cancel culture to his benefit and he has done this throughout his career he drives
00:33:53.780 hate campaigns against his competitors in his various fields and at this period in time he
00:33:59.280 weaponized cancel culture to his benefit he weaponized cancel culture when he attacked
00:34:04.740 james charles he weaponized cancel culture when he attacked laura lee and manny mua and gabriel
00:34:11.280 zamore and all of those other people and he uses it to his benefit and then he discards it to his
00:34:15.700 benefit and acts like he was never a part of it. The other thing that really annoys me is when he's
00:34:20.240 talking about the government taking away people's visas for joking or celebrating Charlie Kirk's
00:34:26.700 death and how that's somehow better than cancel culture. It's not surprising. It's just annoying
00:34:33.200 because conservatives already make this argument all the time. It's just even more infuriating to
00:34:37.860 hear it out of Jeffree Star's uneducated mouth. But I'm like, you understand that that is actually
00:34:44.000 a freedom of speech violation. When the government, when the state restricts your movement because of
00:34:49.140 your speech, that is tyranny. Cancel culture is not. But of course you make the opposite
00:34:55.980 distinction. It is just so stupid to listen to. And it's a continuation of like most of this 1.00
00:35:01.220 stupid cancel culture shit anyway. Like did he get canceled? No, because cancel culture isn't 1.00
00:35:06.900 fucking real. Like there's definitely something to be said about the way that people on the internet 0.97
00:35:12.380 will sometimes jump on hate campaigns and whether or not accountability actually matters isn't
00:35:17.660 there's a conversation to be had about cancel culture but like it's never meant what these 0.99
00:35:22.740 motherfuckers are trying to make it sound like and what what kills me about what he said 0.98
00:35:27.720 is it actually doesn't require a lot of thick skin for you to be a conservative and to just 1.00
00:35:36.220 be racist. And it really doesn't. Like, it is actually a little bit more bold to stand up
00:35:42.280 against people like Charlie Kirk, who are paid a lot of money by billionaires to go to college
00:35:48.020 campuses and say that people like me don't have the mental capacity to ever possibly hold any
00:35:53.360 position of power over a white man, right? You know, it's all so frustrating, because actually,
00:35:59.360 the thing you should be opposed to as a person who believes in this Constitution,
00:36:03.440 is people being imprisoned for their speech it would actually be far more american for you 0.97
00:36:09.840 if we're buying into the bullshit for you to stand up with your fellow americans and support their 0.82
00:36:16.500 freedom of speech rights right like that would absolutely be the more you know traditional way 0.96
00:36:21.680 and that's kind of the thing that's fascinating being raised around so many conservatives this
00:36:25.480 whole trumpy maga thing is kind of funny to me because it's not consistent but of course it never
00:36:30.620 is you know yeah i do think you're giving jeffrey star way too much credit in the idea that he's
00:36:37.280 like aiming to be coherent in his politics like he's just saying whatever he needs to say people
00:36:42.620 who you who buy makeup for you have the right to care about you saying the n-word and that's
00:36:47.260 actually not a big deal you could argue that that's actually the free market with people
00:36:51.580 making the decision to not purchase your stuff because of what you advertised you know in the
00:36:56.660 past it's just it's funny to me like he wants to be able to be edgy he wants to be free to be edgy 0.98
00:37:02.440 he wants to be able to say the racist shit he doesn't really like any of the consequences for 0.98
00:37:06.880 it that's the funny thing because they'll walk away from the conversation thinking oh so i have 1.00
00:37:11.440 thicker skin when really you're a thin-skinned little bitch yeah so as we mentioned in the 0.97
00:37:19.760 latter half of the 2000s and the early 2010s jeffree star was making music he established 0.98
00:37:26.680 himself in this like van's warped tour scene he jeff the amount of celebrity cameos in jeffree
00:37:33.520 star's existence is so bizarre jeffree star made a song with nikki minaj oh who is who is also who 0.54
00:37:41.460 is now also a nazi how great yeah which i'm like i'm like can you believe that and everyone's like 0.61
00:37:48.540 yeah especially now especially now yeah nikki minaj is also now a trumper but that's a whole 0.93
00:37:56.400 other thing but do you know who managed jeffrey star as a music artist akon fuck you know everything 0.54
00:38:02.940 about jeffrey star there's no surprises jeffrey star was managed by akon who signed jeffrey to 0.75
00:38:12.600 his record label and once referred to jeffrey star as the next lady gaga
00:38:18.820 yikes but you know at that era some of his music was kind of giving lady gaga some of it oh yeah
00:38:27.780 he did like a whole electro thing for a bit that was giving that and it was during jeffrey star's
00:38:33.180 brief career as a sort of up-and-coming musician that jeffrey star has a number of sexual assault
00:38:41.260 allegations levied against him. And this is where I defer to Kat Tenbarge, who investigated and
00:38:47.460 reported those allegations. Kat, take it away. So I think it really goes hand in hand with what 1.00
00:38:53.840 we've been talking about in regards to the violence of these eras and environments that
00:38:59.700 Jeffree Star partook in. Because going back to the Warped Tour era, which is when these allegations
00:39:05.900 took place, the majority of the ones that I reported on at least, like Jeffree surrounded
00:39:10.320 himself and was in this environment that was ripe with this type of abuse. And there have been so
00:39:16.840 many allegations that stemmed from artists who performed at Warped Tour, including the artists
00:39:22.220 that Jeffrey collaborated with, Blood on the Dance Floor. And before I reported on the allegations
00:39:28.300 against Jeffrey, I reported on these allegations against the lead singer Dobby Vanity of Blood on
00:39:33.780 the Dance Floor, who Jeffrey worked with. And at the time, going back in the archive of Jeffrey's
00:39:39.820 tweets he tweeted about these allegations within this scene against Dobby Vanity he like said that
00:39:45.440 he confirmed them that he was like an eyewitness to things that had happened and then fast forward
00:39:50.780 to 2020 and Jeffrey kind of denounces some of this I think to uh not have any accountability
00:39:58.520 or responsibility for what was allegedly happening there and at the same time that he's kind of
00:40:03.720 denying knowing anything about Dobby Vanity whose allegations are being brought up allegations
00:40:09.380 against Jeffrey come up. And this is also the period of time when Jeffrey and Shane Dawson
00:40:14.760 were both experiencing this reckoning that touched on all kinds of terrible content and conduct that
00:40:21.580 they were partaking in, racist content, offensive and derogatory content, inappropriate interactions
00:40:28.460 with fans and with minors. And all of these allegations were like sort of swirling around.
00:40:33.040 And a lot of them do date back to the MySpace era. But this pattern emerged over like years of behavior where Jeffrey had allegedly engaged, kind of embracing like his online persona offline, like people in the scene alleged that he had been violent toward them, that he had like either threatened to use or used weaponry on them that he would then show in videos on YouTube, like my pink taser.
00:41:03.040 or like my handbag with all my weapons that I have. So there were allegations of that behavior
00:41:08.240 happening offline. And then there were also sexual assault allegations against Jeffrey,
00:41:13.200 groping men in venues and just sort of being like physically sexually aggressive in public,
00:41:19.500 and then also involving like other people in the MySpace scene. And this was like pretty horrific
00:41:25.100 stuff. When I approached Jeffrey for comment at the time back in 2021, a lot of sources and people
00:41:31.760 who had made allegations reached out to start recanting those allegations before the story
00:41:36.440 was published. And we were later able to report that Jeffrey had been offering sources for the
00:41:42.640 story like hush money payments of like thousands of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars in some
00:41:49.060 cases to recant those allegations. But the story still came out. But interestingly enough, the
00:41:55.220 story, it was definitely felt and read at the time and fairly widely, but the story did not
00:42:01.880 take off. Most people do not know about these allegations against Jeffree Star. And I think
00:42:06.620 the reason for that is people expect a level of bad behavior from him, and it doesn't shock them
00:42:13.920 in the way that it shocks someone when you hear allegations against a beloved celebrity. So the
00:42:19.920 tolerance for the entire scale of his behavior, public or otherwise, has created this environment
00:42:26.180 where he doesn't even receive the same levels of criticism or cancellation that maybe other
00:42:32.520 celebrities receive. And yet here he is still complaining about cancel culture when he avoided
00:42:36.660 and was able to sort of wriggle his way out of so much deserved scrutiny.
00:42:41.640 That's why it's so annoying. He's been complaining about this forever. But I think to your point
00:42:45.560 earlier mostly as like a sales point because he's never really canceled him being canceled
00:42:50.640 ends up being like the thing that draws more attention to him and then you go to the comment
00:42:55.720 section oh we love you jeffrey don't let anyone you know who cares jeffrey is huge on tiktok
00:43:02.180 sometimes i'll be on tiktok and i'll get his lives and i'm like oh my god i clicked not interested a
00:43:06.440 week ago you know and and even if it's like a new makeup thing i'll get i'll get it like he's 0.91
00:43:12.740 everywhere still that's why you can't really take any of the i was canceled shit seriously
00:43:17.800 because i don't think even he cares can i just return to my thesis that jeffree star is donald 0.67
00:43:22.200 trump but really what i'm describing there is like an enormous category of celebrity men who
00:43:29.500 i honestly think being able to bulldoze sexual harassment and sexual assault allegations which
00:43:36.140 only a very certain type of person right wealthy white men are able to do i i feel like getting
00:43:42.180 over the other side of that relatively unscathed, like the message that sends is that you can do
00:43:47.380 anything. It's very Trumpian to me. Well, I think a lot of men, they hold on to this idea that if
00:43:53.640 they one day amass enough wealth, that's what they'll be able to do. And it's funny because,
00:44:00.000 you know, I've spent a lot of time with people of means and you kind of get the sense of that,
00:44:05.900 right? That at a certain point, like they just want to purchase people. Then when you look at
00:44:10.820 what's happening with epstein you sort of see it you know you've got people messaging epstein while
00:44:16.720 he's in jail about how they can get around sexual assault allegations there's this group of men
00:44:24.560 understand that at the end of the day rich white men should be allowed to do it and if they did do
00:44:29.700 it then you know whoever was on the other end of that should be happy it happened to them you know
00:44:34.100 as a survivor that's that's something that i've come to sort of understand as well i've only once
00:44:39.440 reported a man who's assaulted me. And there have been several. And I feel good about not
00:44:45.260 reporting some of the men that have harmed me because they are rich white men. They are men
00:44:49.640 who have means and who would ruin my life. And unfortunately, that's the world that a lot of
00:44:55.220 the Trump-like people want to hold on to. And I think it's a world that we hopefully dismantle
00:45:01.020 quite soon. I don't know if that's possible in my lifetime, but unfortunately, that is a big thing.
00:45:05.920 When I was reporting on these allegations against Jeffrey back in 2021, one of the things I remember strongly about having conversations with dozens of people who had known Jeffrey Starr at various points in his life, a lot of them for a very short amount of time, but they had crossed paths with him in some way.
00:45:23.420 And a lot of them were terrified of him. And they were terrified for me for reporting on him. And they had built him up with this sort of mythology that I think was really understandable where they were coming from. But it's like he is an individual who traffics in fear and benefits from people being this afraid of him.
00:45:43.660 So he like cultivates this mysterious persona of like, I'm unimaginably wealthy. I can get away with anything. And through conveying that to people, conveying that message to them and that impression to them, he does get away with everything. He's like faking it until he makes it. And I think that's super Trumpian as well.
00:46:02.600 And I also think that even the aesthetic and what both of them project is kind of similar, because with Jeffrey, when he transitioned over to selling makeup after his music career ended, his audience has always included a demographic of people who are like rural, who are very low income, who are like middle America.
00:46:24.400 these are the types of people who have always been fans of jeffree star which doesn't necessarily
00:46:29.820 strike people as like predictable or sensible because it's like oh he's this hollywood openly
00:46:37.100 gay super sexually explicit about being gay like flamboyant man what about him appeals to this 0.89
00:46:44.320 demographic but in a similar way you could ask what appeals to this demographic about trump 0.99
00:46:49.820 Because Trump is also like an East Coast, like super flamboyant, loves Broadway, gold toilet seat, like type of individual.
00:46:59.920 And yet they both have the same appeal.
00:47:02.620 And I think a lot of that appeal, a singular part of that appeal is this like air of I can get away with anything.
00:47:09.500 Yes. So post MySpace, post music career, Jeffree Star transitions this relatively niche fame into becoming one of the biggest faces of what is beginning to boom in the early 2010s, which is beauty YouTube.
00:47:27.060 What's up, everybody? Welcome back to my channel. Hi, how are you?
00:47:31.560 You know, this is not going to be an episode where we document every single thing that
00:47:36.180 Jeffree Star has ever done because Kat and I have like tried to do versions of that on
00:47:41.160 Patreon and we end up just like locking ourselves in a room for eight hours and it's like really
00:47:45.140 hard and like people start screaming for help.
00:47:47.800 So we need to be selective about what exactly we pull from each of these eras.
00:47:52.380 I think the most interesting thing about Jeffree Star's career on YouTube is that this coincides
00:47:58.560 with this like cultural shift, this Obama era liberalism, where I think, as Kat Black said
00:48:05.600 earlier, you had to pretend to care about social causes. You had to pretend. And a lot of people
00:48:12.800 earnestly did care about those things. But for Jeffrey, someone who just a couple years prior
00:48:19.160 was like saying the N word on camera, chasing black women down the street and hurling racial
00:48:25.380 slurs at them this is you know someone who needed to do a radical shift if he wanted to capitalize
00:48:30.620 on the moment the way that he was about to yeah and my thing with with it has always been i don't
00:48:36.520 believe you you know and i felt that way about a lot of people back then actually mostly because
00:48:42.080 there's a way you carry yourself and speak about things when you actually have done the work and
00:48:47.760 what it felt to me was happening with jeffrey and with a lot of other people is they just got the
00:48:53.340 script like they had like he had the script earlier in the first video we saw he has another
00:48:58.320 script and you know we're all about inclusivity intersectionality you know stay woke i'll never
00:49:04.280 forget one time a google executive asked me if stay woke is still relevant there was an era of 0.98
00:49:09.200 like the obama like liberalism shit that yeah a lot of people were bullshitting to make sales and 0.97
00:49:14.960 you know i think there are some people who feel kind of nice that we're not doing that anymore 0.99
00:49:18.600 jeffrey being one of them jeffrey for sure being one of them because he never believed it and i
00:49:23.300 knew that but all people could say is like but he's selling makeup to black people though like
00:49:28.560 would he sell makeup to black people if he was racist like come on you guys like
00:49:33.040 yes yes yes he would yeah jeffrey was doing what a lot of other i think celebrities and 0.54
00:49:41.180 influencers were also doing which was shifting like shane dawson comes to mind for the youtuber
00:49:46.760 comparison another episode let me know i don't know if we can maybe post holidays we could revisit
00:49:53.760 shane dawson because i don't have it in me right now i want to feel i want to i want to feel merry
00:49:58.420 god damn it but yeah i mean a lot of these celebrities and youtubers kardashians come to
00:50:03.780 mind as well what jeffree star was doing was he was shifting from a kind of overtly racist viral 0.98
00:50:09.640 content into a type of content that was like culturally appropriative and therefore was able
00:50:16.200 to be packaged as socially liberal, socially progressive. But the reality of it was he was
00:50:22.540 still taking advantage of, and in a lot of cases, still very overtly attacking and targeting Black 0.98
00:50:28.660 women and Black people. And some of the aesthetic indicators of this era were like, no longer do we
00:50:35.180 have the super grungy, high contrast MySpace era makeup. Now we've gone into this like luxe
00:50:42.620 aesthetic that really defines this group of people where it's like now we just fetishize
00:50:47.220 wealth itself. So we have an entire room full of Birkin handbags and all of our clothes are
00:50:54.240 designer. We live in these absurd Calabasas mansions and we have all these designer dogs.
00:51:00.660 And it's like Jeffrey in this era of YouTube really showcased wealth as a big part of his
00:51:06.420 shock and awe versus some of the overtly offensive stuff that he was doing a few years prior.
00:51:12.620 One of the highlights of his many YouTube controversies was his very racist feud with
00:51:18.400 Jackie Aina, who is a popular Black creator online.
00:51:23.240 She was also very popular in the beauty space.
00:51:25.460 I don't remember the exact timeline, but I remember that text messages were leaked of
00:51:32.860 Jeffrey, I think, calling Jackie a gorilla, if I remember correctly.
00:51:36.820 I think that's what I remember, too.
00:51:37.980 I forget who leaked them or who was in that.
00:51:40.360 I know I made a video about it, but I, you know, I have not cared about Jeffree Star in a long time.
00:51:46.280 The granular details themselves are exchangeable for like so many of these Jeffree Star controversies.
00:51:52.520 But it's like time and time again, even throughout this YouTube era, the peak of his career, where he's the most beloved even by liberal and socially progressive people, the cracks were always there.
00:52:03.900 The bad stuff was always bursting at the seams.
00:52:06.680 We could see it the whole time.
00:52:08.340 These text messages are so blatant and yet people still tried to like push it under the rug and pretend like that wasn't the real Jeffrey that they saw on their YouTube screen.
00:52:19.180 Yeah, which is bizarre because most people, I'm bad at this, but most people, they put on a character that they show.
00:52:26.020 And to me, Jeffrey's projecting a character and this character needs to sell makeup to you. 0.99
00:52:31.600 And Black people have money. 1.00
00:52:33.100 Black women invest very heavily in the beauty space.
00:52:35.900 And I personally think that Jeffree Star, because of the way that both of their opinions were trusted, was a little threatened by Jackie, you know, who was doing a lot of stuff at the time. And I think, like, the thing for me with Jeffree is so much of it leads back to him hating Black women. 0.97
00:52:53.000 and people like to think that black women are sensitive we're easily offended you know we got 0.73
00:53:00.700 thin skin which is such a hilarious accusation especially listening to him complain about being
00:53:05.560 canceled still in 2025 but you know the reality is we we just see it you know we see it because
00:53:13.060 we're used to having to see it so a lot of black women did address jeffree star for being a little
00:53:19.760 weird about black women and literally all people can come back with was oh but but he sells makeup
00:53:26.140 to black women and i think that there's obvious reasons why a non-racist white people shouldn't 0.82
00:53:33.060 even privately refer to a black person as a gorilla but people love to like suspend their
00:53:38.300 disbelief and you know oh this person is trying to sell things to me they couldn't they couldn't
00:53:43.120 be a different person behind the scenes not at all wait i actually want to touch on that though
00:53:49.520 we've been circling around this a little bit but one comment that comes up over and over and over
00:53:54.340 and over again for the like 20 plus long years career of jeffree star is like jeffree star is 0.82
00:54:02.880 real as fuck when he's reviewing makeup so like i trust him because like he will always be honest 0.66
00:54:10.660 when talking about that anastasia beverly hills eyeshadow palette and i'm like the bar has to be 0.99
00:54:16.280 higher than this but you know here here's the problem here here's what what i'll say this is
00:54:21.060 going to sound like a little bit of apologia but i'll tell you oh okay no i'm here so jeffrey star
00:54:28.060 especially at that era because he was projecting wealth there were a lot of people who were like
00:54:32.400 okay he he really doesn't have a reason to bullshit us that he's got all of the incentives
00:54:37.580 to just be honest. Right. And at the time there were a lot of influencers being paid to say nice 0.54
00:54:46.660 things about products. And I think actually this is maybe why Jeffrey star did appeal to some of
00:54:53.320 the more rural folks too, because he would actually give, in my opinion, pretty good,
00:54:58.340 you know, reviews of makeup. And for a lot of people, especially people who are trying to save
00:55:02.220 money, you want to invest. You don't want to just go and buy this trendy bullshit because so-and-so 0.98
00:55:06.740 said so and they're reading a thing that says that you have you know so i think for some people 0.98
00:55:10.780 it was like i'm gonna watch a jeffrey star video because i know jeffrey star has no incentive to
00:55:15.980 lie to me of course that's you know to be questioned but i think that was the idea i
00:55:20.280 think that's such a sharp analysis and i also think like two things come to mind one it again
00:55:26.280 relates back to trump for me because that also is so much of trump's appeal is like because trump
00:55:31.520 was also really honest about eyeshadow reviews. Well, it's like the pathos is like Trump is not
00:55:41.500 a government guy. Trump is an outsider. So therefore, Trump will tell us the truth about
00:55:46.880 what's really going on in this institution that we distrust, even though Trump himself is an 0.99
00:55:51.180 extremely corrupt, untrustworthy person. And I think the same can ultimately be said for 0.89
00:55:56.200 Jeffree Star. But Jeffree Star was so smart about how he started and grew his makeup career at the
00:56:03.940 same time as he was doing YouTube makeup commentary. Because the first Jeffree Star
00:56:08.560 cosmetics products were like the intense, long lasting liquid lipsticks that were pretty
00:56:15.300 revolutionary at the time. People were using them. Drag queens were using them. Celebrities were
00:56:20.200 using them. Professional makeup artists put them in their makeup kits. This was a good product for
00:56:25.640 him to launch with because it actually set him up with authenticity and credibility that other
00:56:30.240 people did not have. He also was genuinely talented at doing makeup. He could impart
00:56:35.220 actual makeup wisdom onto his viewers. And I think the way that he ultimately steered his brand
00:56:41.940 was so unique, but worked really well for a time, which was that he was so aggressive
00:56:49.200 toward other brands, which is not how people usually market their products. You're not usually
00:56:54.720 like, I'm going to buy your product because you're feuding with the owner of the competing
00:57:00.260 product and I side with you. But that is literally how Jeffree Star conducted himself. He feuded with
00:57:05.860 the Kardashians. He was like, their products are trash. And the reality is they were overpriced. 1.00
00:57:10.460 And he feuded with all of these different people. And a lot of times I think his insights about what
00:57:15.920 the competitors were doing wrong were true. But his ultimate kind of downfall in this territory
00:57:21.880 is that as Jeffrey grew his brand, his own products could not live up to what he was
00:57:28.040 saying about competitors. Because today he sells a massive range of products. He sells
00:57:32.900 skincare. He launched, I believe, concealer and foundation and was doing all these different
00:57:38.800 things. And as he put out more products, it became more and more clear that MUAs are not 1.00
00:57:43.840 reaching for the Jeffree Star setting spray. The Jeffree Star skincare, nobody's asking for that. 0.99
00:57:50.600 like yeah never heard of it over time he almost like lost that edge but it worked really well for
00:57:56.820 a while i will say i know we're kind of getting away from politics here but what he when he
00:58:01.120 launched his skincare line i was like who looks at jeffree star and thinks skincare
00:58:08.260 people call him the crypt keeper yeah yeah yeah the opposite is true actually his makeup is so
00:58:16.400 impressive because of what he looks like. I will say though, there is a demographic of people
00:58:21.820 who purchase everything he puts out. Like if you go deep into the weeds of like Jeffree Star
00:58:28.400 fan subculture internet, you will see people who have spent thousands and thousands and thousands
00:58:33.320 of dollars on all of his products on all of his like hand mirrors and will post photo hauls of
00:58:40.540 all of them. And when I discovered that part of like Reddit or whatever, I was like, that's crazy.
00:58:45.180 Well, I have some experience with them because back when I was on Twitter and posting about
00:58:52.580 Jeffree Star all the time, these people would obviously be coming for me constantly.
00:58:56.980 And I would go look at their pictures and read their profiles and see how they had an
00:59:01.860 entire wall of Jeffree Star hand mirrors and every single palette, eyeshadow palette, but
00:59:06.600 they didn't really wear it.
00:59:08.800 It was interesting.
00:59:09.500 it felt like I was doing like a sociological study in a lot of ways, because I could tell
00:59:16.480 that these were not like wealthy people whatsoever. In fact, I don't think they could afford
00:59:21.660 their level of devotion to Jeffree Star, or at the very least, they were dedicating a substantial
00:59:27.640 amount of like what they had, the resources they had toward these collections. They really sought
00:59:34.060 his acknowledgement and approval. So like Jeffrey would occasionally, as many celebrities and
00:59:39.560 influencers do, he rewards people with engagement. He has done like giveaways. He puts on, as I
00:59:46.460 believe Kat, you were talking about at the beginning, like this charitable persona. That
00:59:51.380 also really speaks to these people. And so they're vying for his attention. They want to show him
00:59:55.620 that they are a devoted fan and they also want to defend him. I'll never forget. I think the last
01:00:00.440 time i went down this rabbit hole it was he had released some some highlighter and someone at drag
01:00:07.160 con got this highlighter and it had broken apart and they were finding out in like real time i
01:00:12.300 think that jeffree star doesn't care about you and it was really sad because he was so dedicated
01:00:17.340 because he had purchased all of these things you know i would like to give a shout out to
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01:02:18.740 people are listening to this and they might be waiting for me to talk about by sister and this
01:02:26.460 is not a by sister episode kat tenbarge and i did a very dare i say excruciatingly long series
01:02:34.640 about bi sister that is over on patreon what i will say about bi sister which let me see if i
01:02:42.800 can synthesize the entire events of bi sister in like two sentences basically james charles who was
01:02:48.980 a younger much more quickly up and coming competitor to jeffree star tati westbrook who
01:02:55.140 was another veteran of youtube made a video about james charles who she was a friend and mentor to
01:03:01.180 accusing him not only of betraying her as a friend, but being a sexual predator. And this
01:03:07.540 was before all that stuff came out about James Charles. So at the time, there was no actual
01:03:11.920 evidence to believe that it was true. But Tati Westbrook nonetheless spun the narrative that
01:03:17.020 it was true. And then James Charles disproved everything and Tati Westbrook looked really bad. 1.00
01:03:23.480 And then Tati Westbrook one year later came back and said that Jeffree Star had manipulated her
01:03:29.720 into making her original video that is like that is like the broadest of broad strokes but did i do
01:03:37.000 okay i think you did a good job some some people know a lot about like law or science i know a lot
01:03:47.320 about my sister my only comment with regard to this episode jeffrey star's political arc his
01:03:55.540 general worldview is that i completely believe that he orchestrated by sister because i think
01:04:02.360 one thing we know about jeffrey star is he has always been intimidated by business rivals he has
01:04:07.860 never been shy about being unbelievably cruel uh to other people and so like i completely believe
01:04:14.920 that he planted seeds in in tati's head about like oh maybe maybe james charles is a bit of a sexual 0.98
01:04:22.280 predator. And that's how we can take them down. And then, you know, reign supreme in this YouTube 0.95
01:04:27.120 beauty space. Well, I think that for me, the kind of through line here is that Jeffrey through the
01:04:34.800 confrontational like marketing style, Jeffrey saw James Charles as like someone he desperately
01:04:41.480 needed to take out. They were so similar to each other. And James poised such a threat to Jeffrey's
01:04:46.780 bottom line. And when Jeffrey does this aggressive confrontational style of counter-marketing with
01:04:53.940 other people in the industry, there's no low he won't sink to. He will 100% accuse someone of
01:05:00.400 very dubious, serious allegations, even as a total hypocrite. He will also rely on racism easily, 0.98
01:05:07.560 and people let him get away with that. And I think for a long time, this continued until
01:05:13.920 this and other factors I think ultimately became too much for him which is when we go into the
01:05:19.240 next phase of his career but like for a little bit this strategy worked very very well and it
01:05:25.100 relied on people's underlying bigotry their underlying racism their underlying homophobia
01:05:30.000 and we now see him doing that again should we talk about the insane apology videos before we
01:05:35.860 go into that era yes I totally forgot about those apology videos Jeffrey Starr before realizing
01:05:43.840 that he had to move on from YouTube
01:05:46.340 because this era really came crashing down for him.
01:05:49.540 He made a number of apology videos
01:05:51.780 for like past racism, past transgressions.
01:05:55.460 And I just want to sit for a minute
01:05:57.660 with the thumbnails of those videos,
01:06:00.300 particularly one where...
01:06:03.920 I totally forgot.
01:06:05.880 It's all coming back.
01:06:06.860 I'm dead.
01:06:08.260 I love the little boy.
01:06:10.160 he looks like a femme voldemort in this thumbnail and he's like holding his face
01:06:18.740 ever so gingerly in his like gucci sweater and the the text on top of his on top of his body just
01:06:26.240 says racism also i'm pretty sure in that video he never actually utters the words i'm sorry
01:06:34.840 i don't think he ever apologizes like i feel like that's kind of a hallmark of jeffrey is like
01:06:40.080 the video is not titled I'm sorry that I was racist the video is simply titled racism it
01:06:45.480 exists like let's talk about it and then he's like he's like the internet was a different place back
01:06:51.060 then or actually another classic rhetorical style that he falls back on is like I'm not that person
01:06:57.100 anymore I'm really not I can't even recognize that version of Jeffrey yeah I don't I think
01:07:02.920 that's what he says right I don't even recognize that person and it just makes me sick to my
01:07:07.920 stomach because i don't know who that person was i know who i am today i know exactly the person i
01:07:13.740 am today but i do not know who that person was and you know i do believe people change but have you
01:07:19.980 changed sir i don't know i feel like he's one of the most consistent and predictable people i've
01:07:25.620 ever seen on the internet well and this is the thing it's like we're watching as this person
01:07:30.500 tries to just stay with the times ultimately to sell makeup and so what that means in this moment
01:07:37.140 is like issuing a few really ridiculous apology videos there was another one and i think this was
01:07:42.760 the last great youtube controversy of jeffrey star before he flees to wyoming after the whole
01:07:48.060 bi sister scandal really collapses in 2020 jeffrey star makes an apology video where he is perched
01:07:56.580 on his golden sofa in louis vuitton slippers in front of a a dual spiral staircase and he's saying
01:08:05.740 you know i never meant to get caught up in any of this i don't know if you guys remember this
01:08:10.000 video but i have i literally have its transcript burned into the back of my brain he shifts so
01:08:17.680 quickly from this is not who i am this is not jeffree star i know i'm dramatic i'm crazy at
01:08:23.740 times i'm outspoken but at the end of the day that is not who i am two we need to be talking
01:08:30.000 about there hasn't been justice for brianna taylor and did i get swept up into the bullshit
01:08:34.500 again of course i did and for that i'm forever embarrassed of now brianna taylor still has no 0.90
01:08:41.460 justice black trans women are being murdered every day and the news is silent elijah mcclain has no
01:08:49.700 justice and the countless other people who are murdered every single day while everyone just
01:08:53.860 goes about their business like nothing's happening yeah i do remember that i was like oh my god shut
01:09:00.740 up and that's another example of him reading the script it was like i mean all of these influencers 0.81
01:09:06.240 back then were like black lives matter but then they were like being racist on the weekend and
01:09:11.020 like you know bullying their black friend like yes and then they were like but what really matters
01:09:17.280 isn't what i did it's brianna taylor but also he doesn't care about brianna taylor which is not it
01:09:23.380 was always very evident but particularly after watching him praise charlie kirk yeah it's so
01:09:28.560 obvious that he did not give a fuck about brianna taylor he just used her name as a buzzword charlie
01:09:34.060 kirk he's extolling the virtues of this man yeah literally literally like what charlie kirk was 0.89
01:09:39.720 advocating for is why she was murdered so for you to say but i believed in him and i did it it's
01:09:45.020 like come on man you never felt that way and i i do appreciate that people are being more honest
01:09:50.920 now about how they feel like the jeffrey stars of the world did drive me a little insane during
01:09:55.980 the obama era like just be honest you're racist just make you can make makeup for just white
01:10:00.660 people i'm sure you'll be fine honestly the multiple acts of that golden couch apology
01:10:05.620 video are so insane to me because it goes from if it's not me i never did anything wrong to like
01:10:10.360 let's talk about what really matters brianna taylor too i'm so excited for all the new things
01:10:15.040 we're working on at jeffree star cosmetic all right now no matter what narrative anyone tries
01:10:19.240 to spin of me i am so fucking proud to own an inclusive makeup company since i opened my doors
01:10:25.240 in 2014 i have created products for everyone any product shade or formula i've created has worked
01:10:32.220 for any race gender and most importantly i want you guys to remember that all beauty matters yeah
01:10:39.020 his ability to go from like just effortlessly from one thing to the next was was really on display
01:10:46.040 there but i do think this was the last time that jeffree star was like really making a splash on
01:10:51.160 youtube because he failed so completely in this moment and so what he did was in 2021 he flees
01:10:59.460 from los angeles to wyoming getting away from the wokeness oh my god i'm so scared oh my god
01:11:05.060 get away this is funny to me to wyoming where he purchases a yak farm which of course he seamlessly
01:11:12.080 integrates into his business model and starts selling yak meat what i will say about the move
01:11:17.900 from LA to Wyoming is it's really interesting. He lived in this mansion in Hidden Hills,
01:11:23.560 which is a gated community in Los Angeles. He ultimately sold it for about $16 million.
01:11:28.900 He tried to sell it to Britney Spears. She and her ex-husband toured it at the time. That was
01:11:33.020 really interesting. But Jeffree Star sells his mansion for, I think, $16 or $17 million and then
01:11:38.980 moves into this ranch in Wyoming, in Casper, Wyoming, which costs, I believe, $1.2 million.
01:11:45.240 Jeffree Star now says, oh, it was COVID and I was shacked up in this big mansion that I didn't know what to do with.
01:11:52.160 I never even used the movie theater, which I'm like, I'm with you.
01:11:56.440 Like, I would go crazy in a house that big.
01:11:58.660 But there seems to me like something missing in this narrative of like, so I downsized by like over a thousand percent.
01:12:06.900 I think that the clearest explanation of what happened here, which is corroborated by several
01:12:11.960 things, is in 2020, makeup trends changed dramatically. And the things that Jeffree
01:12:19.740 Starr's brand had been known for, bright, bold, full coverage makeup, that was no longer in
01:12:27.040 whatsoever. And that is around the time that he introduced Jeffree Starr skincare. He started
01:12:32.400 doing more makeup brushes, other products besides what he was known for, none of that stuff ever
01:12:38.600 took off the way that his previous products had become cult classics. Jeffree Star Cosmetics,
01:12:44.280 it suffered as a brand. It was suffering as an industry. His scandals did not help a lot of
01:12:50.680 people in the public who would have otherwise been comfortable buying his makeup, I think,
01:12:54.820 were turned off by some of what had happened in the preceding years. And so you have all of these
01:12:59.720 economic factors and then socially you also have this sort of like quasi falling out with his like
01:13:06.420 then best friend Shane Dawson where they really stopped like seeing each other after being
01:13:12.640 previously super close for content and money of course but nonetheless like they had a little bit
01:13:18.340 of like a falling out that they kind of denied he also broke up with his long-term boyfriend
01:13:22.640 and nathan schwant oh nate who's engaged right now i believe to a woman a woman yes yeah oh my
01:13:31.520 god wait good good for him yeah he looks so happy actually he looks really mazel tov nathan schwant
01:13:36.940 for those who don't know jeffrey was like nathan is straight except for me yeah which honestly
01:13:44.700 like sexuality is very complicated straight identifying men are very complicated i believe
01:13:49.840 that that's how both of them understood that relationship. Not to get too off base.
01:13:54.360 I agree. I think that like there was a dynamic in the relationship that had more to do with like
01:13:59.640 Jeffrey's wealth. Absolutely. And the way that like that played into it. But regardless, they
01:14:05.400 broke up. So Jeffrey moved to Wyoming. And obviously Casper, Wyoming, where he lives,
01:14:10.600 is a majority white population. Like eight to nine out of 10 people there are white.
01:14:16.240 And he just immediately embraced that rural, conservative, down-home aesthetic to a degree where I, at this time, around like 2022, the inkling had been planted in my head as a full-time Jeffree Star reporter.
01:14:31.520 I was like, I think at some point he's going to get political.
01:14:35.460 I didn't know if he would do like full-on run for office.
01:14:39.200 It all makes sense to me.
01:14:40.620 And you started to see him really lay the groundwork for where he is now at that stage.
01:14:45.000 again he hasn't changed when jeffrey star moves to wyoming he starts dipping his toes in i remember
01:14:50.600 he did this podcast at the time that went very viral where he was like non-binary they them 0.96
01:14:56.560 all this fucking bullshit that we started to make up during covid what is that i'm not into all the 1.00
01:15:02.220 other bullshit i think what other bullshit the they and them yeah and all that extra shit that 1.00
01:15:07.280 we added during the pandemic because everyone was so bored on their fucking houses they just 1.00
01:15:11.020 started to make up more shit and more stuff more stuff yeah that's why the conservatives like me 0.99
01:15:15.140 because i'm just real yeah you do have a conservative vibe you're trans you're male or 0.99
01:15:19.960 you're female and you're standing on that so mad when i say that how are you with they what the 0.99
01:15:25.180 fuck does that mean as stupid is what it is yeah but you need someone like me that looks like me 1.00
01:15:30.100 to say it because if you say it it turns into you're homophobic you hate trans people you hate 1.00
01:15:33.980 gays and it's just how you feel you don't hate anyone you just think it's stupid he also really 0.97
01:15:39.560 notably like embeds himself within the community of casper wyoming and this is an extremely niche 0.97
01:15:46.440 interest that i have never been able to look away from but are you guys familiar with the makeup and
01:15:51.360 meat store no i've never heard of the makeup and meat store but i've seen that where jeffree star
01:15:57.520 sells his yak meat and also his makeup yeah yeah jeff stars shortly after becoming like a yak
01:16:06.340 a farmer he oh he opens up a store uh called jeffree star makeup and meat where he sells 0.60
01:16:14.680 jeffree star makeup and jeff and like beef like yak jerky like beef jerky but it's yaks there was
01:16:20.880 this like i can never get out of my head he he did like an opening day celebration with like the
01:16:26.760 ribbon cutting and the whole thing and like this is a really specific reference point but i don't
01:16:32.840 know if you guys ever watched like the fairly odd parents jeffree star reminds me of like the mayor
01:16:39.040 of dimsdale in casper wyoming dougsdale dimadone i imagine jeffree star just like walking around
01:16:47.280 like i imagine him as the mayor of casper wyoming yeah he does kind of give those vibes and if you
01:16:52.940 didn't know anything about casper wyoming which most people don't then you would kind of assume
01:16:56.940 from this social media that he had taken over as like the king because he has the money in the
01:17:02.580 community i assume he he quite literally does have the money in the community or at least claims to
01:17:06.980 he does interviews now and he'll talk about how like he bought up yaks from neighboring farms
01:17:12.800 people will be like oh when you move to wyoming were people homophobic towards you
01:17:17.000 and he'll basically be like well you know i got some weird stares but they didn't really know
01:17:23.520 what i was about and once they learned essentially through through this sort of coded language he's
01:17:27.940 Like once they learned that I was a conservative racist and that I had the money to buy up 0.70
01:17:32.500 all of their yaks, they weren't so mean to me anymore, which is, again, it's the same 0.98
01:17:37.140 thing from Orange County, early 2000s, MySpace bullshit where he's like, yeah, everyone's 0.95
01:17:42.300 being really mean to me. 0.80
01:17:43.840 It's quite literally if you can't beat them, join them.
01:17:46.360 Yeah, absolutely. 0.76
01:17:47.520 Now he has enough money to basically own those white people who used to beat him up.
01:17:51.200 So I think it's probably a little bit of a power thing for him as well.
01:17:55.100 You know, he he comes from California where the cost of living is a lot higher.
01:17:59.780 He goes to Wyoming where it's a lot lower and he gets to be king, you know, and I kind
01:18:05.180 of think that's always what this is kind of about.
01:18:07.080 You know, he strikes me as a person who just desires endless, endless praise constantly.
01:18:14.660 A hundred percent.
01:18:15.460 And one thing that I find really kind of ironic and funny about this era, when he first moved
01:18:20.780 Wyoming and bought the yaks. People were like, Jeffrey, you're not going to eat them, are you?
01:18:26.240 And he was like, eat the yaks. The yaks are like my pets. I love them. And then like three weeks
01:18:32.800 later, he was like, hot, fresh yak meat. Come and get your yak meat. So like, he's just such
01:18:41.460 a ruthless capitalist. Also, when he first moved there, he was buying like engraved benches from
01:18:48.420 local woodworkers and like like going to local businesses and stuff which in theory is also
01:18:53.580 a good thing to do but of course he was doing it to like win people's favor also at a local town
01:19:00.440 square orchestra type thing there were like banners of local businesses sponsoring it and
01:19:07.040 one of them was like jeffree star cosmetics which was such a weird image to see because it was
01:19:13.340 literally like he had embedded himself as this Willy Wonka type figure in a random Wyoming town
01:19:20.220 and I'm pretty sure he has a factory there now and he employs a lot of people and all of this
01:19:25.360 stuff combined made me wonder for a little while if he was going to like run for mayor or like
01:19:29.960 run for local office or like start small like I was like is he trying to move somewhere where he
01:19:35.280 can like get a smaller position in office like maybe be a representative or something and then
01:19:40.340 work his way up. Like I wondered if politics would be in his sights. But I think based on
01:19:46.340 what he's doing now, the answer is it's so much more work to be a politician than it is to be on
01:19:52.260 TikTok Live for like 17 hours a day and just say a bunch of offensive stuff and get people to buy
01:19:57.620 your like backlogged makeup stock. Yeah, you have more freedom too. So as we said, Jeffree Star's
01:20:03.280 sort of latest act, he's become a total TikTok celebrity. He goes live relentlessly and does
01:20:09.880 like tiktok live battles with people which i gotta say doesn't seem like a super dignifying activity
01:20:17.500 for someone with as much wealth as he claims to have i was shocked when i saw him doing it
01:20:22.520 i really was actually i was like oh is he is he broke is he broke like and it's actually i felt
01:20:30.220 that way about a couple of different people like there's a couple of people like michelle fan for
01:20:34.740 example i'm like why are you on tiktok live because in my mind i thought isn't that kind of
01:20:40.480 like not what you would do at your level but you know i don't sell on tiktok so who knows you saw
01:20:46.340 with jason nash too and that was such a big joke online like influencers and youtubers who have
01:20:51.700 resorted to panhandling on tiktok live i feel like jeffrey really thrives in this environment as well
01:20:58.120 like going back to that clip of him we watched at the beginning like he can just be there and be
01:21:01.880 like blah blah blah and he can do that for like eight hours i feel like yeah yeah yeah i'll share
01:21:08.640 i used to do i used to be a cam girl one of the things i didn't understand is that there are 0.99
01:21:12.620 people who are literally like they'll go on camera and they'll just say fucked up shit and people 0.91
01:21:17.240 pay them and it's kind of that's why i don't do the live thing because i kind of i have like 0.99
01:21:22.340 low-key trauma from being a cam girl i know that that's what people want people want conflict well
01:21:28.560 I mean, it is it is a type of like psychological pornography. And he has really sort of leaned into
01:21:35.380 this conservative political identity, again, because what are we tracing? Jeffree Star's
01:21:41.200 political arc throughout his career, which can be traced right alongside the sort of cultural and
01:21:47.000 political arc of America throughout his career. In his YouTube career, he had to do this Obama
01:21:51.960 era liberalism, hashtag Black Lives Matter shtick, where he pretended to care and he pretended to
01:21:56.740 apologize. And he pretended to grow and change and learn to be intersectional. But now we're in
01:22:02.120 Trump 2.0 when the whole thing is just like, what is the attitude of this country right now? Be as
01:22:07.920 mean as you possibly can go fuck yourself. And he's really born for that. Honestly, like this is 1.00
01:22:14.420 the most natural point in Jeffree Star's like professional career where he can just be himself.
01:22:21.120 It's almost easier for him because it's less of a performative aspect.
01:22:25.860 Like he's straining for credulity and believability when he's talking about racism from the perspective
01:22:30.940 of racism is bad.
01:22:32.240 It is so easy for him to talk about how people who identify with they them pronouns are freaks,
01:22:38.880 unlike me, because I'm a man.
01:22:40.860 Like it just rolls off the tongue.
01:22:43.100 It's low hanging fruit. 1.00
01:22:44.180 There's more people that are willing to pay you to say there's no such thing as non-binary 0.89
01:22:48.600 people than there are people who are willing to fund a non-binary person describing their own life
01:22:54.940 and experience like that. And that's been my experience. I've been a openly trans blogger for
01:23:00.040 two decades. I've been in rooms where I'm asking for money. I've, I've asked people for resources
01:23:06.460 and things. They don't want to fund a lot of the stuff that would, you know, in so many ways,
01:23:12.700 let's just be blunt about it sabotage many of the ideas that are central to capitalism like 0.67
01:23:18.760 they'll fund jeffree star especially as a visibly queer person to say that stuff because there's a
01:23:27.160 larger group of people that want to hear that then there are people who want to actually humanize
01:23:31.680 trans people you know there's way more money way more support over there and it's i think why he's
01:23:37.820 doing it any vaguely queer person can make a video saying there are only two genders and i'm
01:23:45.640 a man and da da da da and they will literally get way way way more people who are willing to like 0.94
01:23:51.680 support them follow them throw money at them because that's just people like that more so
01:23:56.360 yeah it's so predictable he's following the money as he always has i think yes and particularly he
01:24:04.000 has leaned into this like model minority persona where it's like yes i may look like you know a 0.99
01:24:12.080 super femme gay guy queer person gender fuck sort of individual but like i am the version of that 0.99
01:24:19.140 that's going to validate all of your most homophobic and transphobic beliefs and i think 0.99
01:24:24.240 this is the part especially now that a lot of people are like how can someone who looks like
01:24:28.420 him be saying that and i just watched like this full two-hour interview that he just did where he
01:24:34.500 says a lot of transphobic things that went super viral on like you know instagram reels and facebook
01:24:39.460 with all of these conservative white people being like i just love him and uh i took a few clips
01:24:45.920 from it because there is something extremely uncanny about watching someone and hearing someone
01:24:50.960 who looks and sounds like jeffree star trying to like enforce this very arbitrary idea of gender
01:24:57.840 so let's take a look it started when the first person and we as a society let them i'm they 0.82
01:25:04.820 okay and what the fuck does that mean you don't you don't
01:25:10.380 five years ago we would not be able to have this discussion that everyone would have a meltdown 0.97
01:25:16.220 but why you're a they and a them got it so what you're saying is there needs to be more context
01:25:23.440 the absurdity is what are you saying you can only be a man a woman or trans
01:25:29.720 okay there's a third thing
01:25:34.520 i love that you can be a man a woman or trans it to me this is like more fun than like trans
01:25:43.900 people aren't real there's only like men like cis men and cis women because it's like oh now
01:25:49.100 you know what i mean it's like it's not a binary
01:25:51.020 yeah a tricary i don't know how it goes but he's like there's not quite a binary
01:25:57.640 but there's there's a little bit of a binary as i see fit i have so much to say so i'll try not
01:26:02.880 to say too much but like please say too much to me all of these things like i didn't want to go
01:26:07.820 on the like the part about him having a straight boyfriend thing because this is all kind of part
01:26:11.620 of the same sort of thing i've known so many jeffrey stars through my life and it it usually
01:26:19.880 follows a very particular pattern of he's a person who who is feminine loves being feminine likes
01:26:27.800 makeup likes being all all up in you know drags and stuff but he's not going to transition because
01:26:34.160 he doesn't identify that way and by nature of him being feminine he does indeed attract straight men
01:26:39.880 occasionally, who he does indeed have some sort of relationship with. But of course, for most of
01:26:45.460 these straight men, because they are straight men, it will never lead anywhere. It will always be
01:26:50.620 this either being sexualized thing, or I think as we saw in Nathan's case, it's financial. You've
01:26:56.940 got the money. I've got the thing you want. Give me a bit of money. I'm, you know, that's a very
01:27:01.580 common thing. And then what I think sometimes they resent is when they see these men do go off and
01:27:07.740 form these relationships with women yes some of them being transgender like to me we can have a
01:27:13.380 whole debate about whether or not these men are straight but like i'm polyamorous i have four
01:27:17.500 partners two of them identify as straight and if you said they were gay they wouldn't care you know
01:27:21.840 it's it's what like it's not a big deal but like there are some people who get so wrapped up in
01:27:26.660 what they see trans women being able to do what they see non-binary people being able to do 0.89
01:27:31.940 and they're over there thinking well what the fuck like i have this thing and yeah i occasionally 0.99
01:27:36.680 cross into these areas that they do. And it comes from a place of bitterness and rejection. And I 0.98
01:27:42.880 think rejection is a very common, very potent thing in his life, which is why he is so desperate to
01:27:50.960 chase this. Yes, he's chasing money. It also happens to also help him chase a lot of that
01:27:55.480 approval. When I look at Jeffree Star, I see someone who is incredibly ostracized. He resents
01:28:01.540 the fact that there are people who would say oh you're they them cool and didn't bully them in the
01:28:07.980 way that he was bullied i mean that's that's a sad part the worst thing in the world to to people
01:28:13.240 like this is that someone accepted their gender and it's weird because you know you i mean i'm
01:28:17.460 not saying that jeffree star is an egg i don't think jeffree star is an egg i actually think
01:28:20.620 jeffree star is very much a man who is feminine and enjoys all these things but i think that
01:28:24.980 He has so much dissonance around his rejection that it's causing him to not understand that
01:28:32.080 some people experience being accepted and it's genuine.
01:28:35.400 And like, what's the big deal if, you know, someone uses they them?
01:28:39.840 It's it's a non it's a real non-issue, actually. 0.54
01:28:43.280 It's a non-binary non-issue. 0.68
01:28:45.160 It strikes me that he in this environment that he's currently in and with this demographic,
01:28:54.760 he's playing to, he knows what to say to get accepted by them in this context. I think he
01:29:01.440 also understands that the only reason he's on this podcast is because in the same way that
01:29:06.980 beautiful women are objectified by conservatives, his flamboyant and unusual appearance is being
01:29:13.740 objectified by these people. And he is striving so hard to be in on the joke that he's willing
01:29:19.420 to say whatever it takes for these people to see him as in on the joke, but he's never going to
01:29:23.520 actually get there. And the flip side of that is that not too long ago when he was filming his
01:29:29.200 documentary series with Shane Dawson, he said, and I've seen people pull this clip up and
01:29:34.900 juxtapose them. He was like, he's like, people call me a man. They call me a woman,
01:29:39.560 whatever pronouns, all pronouns, alien, whatever. Oh, wait, that's another question I have.
01:29:43.500 I keep calling you she on accident. Andrew was like, wait, it's Jeffrey or what's happening?
01:29:48.580 i'm just jeffrey so if you look at me and you're like damn honey yes like she everyone calls me 0.93
01:29:54.340 he she whatever they want yeah i'm an alien every pronoun is okay every pronoun he was doing the 0.93
01:29:59.200 same thing to a different audience he wanted to be at that point accepted by a more liberal audience
01:30:05.240 but now that he strives for this acceptance from the conservative audience it's no problem to him
01:30:10.880 to go back on what he said because he's like it's performative and he knows what they want
01:30:15.860 Yeah. And he's trying to make money. He's trying to find space for himself, too. I think that for some content creators right now, some of us are a little nervous about whether or not we're going to be able to continue to have careers. And I do think that for a lot of people, grifting and kind of like cozying up to the right, that feels like a safer bet, especially during a time when people are being imprisoned for their speech or kicked out of the country for their speech.
01:30:38.920 I think some people feel safer there. And I think that that's also sort of the sad part about it is sometimes that rejection makes you desire or believe in this idea that those people who rejected you are actually safe. And if you could only be accepted by them, you would be safe. But the reality is, he's never going to fully be accepted by these people. He's only as useful to them as long as he keeps reading the script. And eventually, they're going to say to him, well, okay, you feel that way, then why the fuck are you wearing that wig?
01:31:07.060 then why do you have that makeup on like yeah it was fun entertaining for for a while but if you 0.94
01:31:12.060 actually feel that there's only men and women and things like that then you also should feel
01:31:16.220 that men perform this way women perform that way and what you're doing is attempting to be more 0.91
01:31:21.940 like a woman than a man so maybe you should stop being as non-binary in the way that you live 0.78
01:31:26.160 and fall in line and you know the reason i'm able to say all this and i think the reason why i think
01:31:31.280 he's able to say this is because we were raised in conservative communities these are narratives
01:31:36.020 that we internalize you know what to say because you know what people are reacting to and for some
01:31:42.120 people you recognize that if you stay in line if you entertain the narrative if you stay on the
01:31:47.080 script you'll feel safer it's not real but it's an illusion that's very strong and to me so much
01:31:53.180 of this goes back to that like teeny tiny detail of like well when i was bullied as a kid i fought
01:31:59.060 back and i loved that not to get like too like ooh like but like what if you didn't have to fight
01:32:05.160 back. What if you at any point during your 40 years on earth, maybe got some therapy, did some
01:32:12.020 internal work? I don't know. But like worked on quite literally, oh, I sound so annoying. This
01:32:17.600 is like not the podcast for talking about healing your inner child. What if you at any point like
01:32:23.140 kind of tried to heal your inner child and realized you shouldn't have to actually fight
01:32:27.200 back like those forces of bigotry shouldn't exist. And like you should have been able to be like
01:32:31.620 punk and have pink hair and be a fag and it should have been fine but it wasn't for you and so now 0.98
01:32:37.860 you need to make sure that it isn't for anyone yeah and i think growth and part of healing your 0.99
01:32:41.920 inner child for a lot of people is becoming that older person who does accept that younger person
01:32:46.440 and make space for the fact that they can be a queer kid with pink hair and it's not a value
01:32:52.320 judgment you're not better or worse for it and it's sad to me that he has not gone that down
01:32:57.160 that direction. I think about the stuff that I post all the time that I want to be able to leave
01:33:02.540 this earth in a way where something I posted and said helped move us in a direction where some of 0.78
01:33:08.620 the kids wouldn't have to go through the shit that I went through when I was younger, and being 0.94
01:33:12.360 ostracized and being rejected and, you know, identifying with how strong I had to be. Like, 0.99
01:33:18.360 it's great that I have thick skin or whatever, like, that's awesome, whatever. But what if I
01:33:22.260 didn't have to do that what if what if I could just be embraced and accepted and what I hear
01:33:27.380 in some of what he says here is that he does resent that that's happening and it didn't happen
01:33:32.400 for him 100 this is a beautiful place to land but I do have a couple other clips from this
01:33:39.520 interview that were just so deranged but also so to the point of like he's memorized this script
01:33:46.520 and he knows how to rotate it on a podcast that were like almost funny I'm gonna play them I'm
01:33:51.600 sorry in advance, but let's just really take it there. Let's take it there. Why are we encouraging
01:33:56.440 our kids to be a different gender and feed them false information when they're so young? So this
01:34:03.060 is what I said recently that people really understood. When I grew up and I started looking
01:34:07.840 different, right? My mother encouraged me to just be myself. When I started wearing makeup and being
01:34:13.480 more feminine and wanting to do certain things, it wasn't, oh my God, Jeffrey needs, what do they
01:34:19.000 call it now gender affirming care i'm gonna i'm done i'm done i just she let me be myself she
01:34:25.740 didn't push me to be anything just like when you're a tomboy did your mom try to you know 1.00
01:34:29.600 get you a surgery to be a you know what i mean exactly she she did she cut your tits off because 1.00
01:34:35.540 at 13 that's not she cut your tits so nowadays it's all these fucking weirdos telling their kids 1.00
01:34:42.020 oh my god you like you like a barbie you're you're a woman no that's just a little boy 1.00
01:34:47.120 experimenting not knowing what the fuck he's doing it's just so funny to me because this is 1.00
01:34:51.980 quite literally an essay that andrew sullivan wrote in the new york times like a couple months 0.98
01:34:57.200 ago like this is just all this is the thing that i find disappointing about jeffree star is it's
01:35:01.640 like your whole thing is that you're outrageous and like unafraid to go against the grain like
01:35:07.280 if you're gonna do this right wing pivot like at least be interesting you're just doing like 0.98
01:35:11.540 you're just doing like so run-of-the-mill boring conservative grifter shit and it's not convincing 1.00
01:35:18.020 coming from such a flamboyantly queer person because it's like he can sit here and be like 1.00
01:35:23.960 what is it gender forming care they just invented it three weeks ago and he can be like non-binary 0.99
01:35:29.500 non-binary people have only existed for five years but it's like that's so not true and it's
01:35:35.300 just so obvious that like you jeffree star know that none of that is true but you know what's
01:35:42.680 funny is i think that the conservatives don't care as much about that i i get the vibe from
01:35:48.640 a lot of them that it begins and ends with them finding a video of a person who looks a certain
01:35:54.200 way saying a certain thing just so they can say see see look people are always sending me like 0.99
01:36:00.160 some black conservative woman's shit and i'm like great i don't care but there are some people where 0.99
01:36:05.380 they think that that's so important that that's the main appeal of the jeffrey stars of the world 1.00
01:36:10.120 and it's not convincing i'm not convinced you know better didn't you date a straight man and
01:36:14.920 you're a man how did that work that sounds a little non-binary to me i don't know and these
01:36:19.060 clips went so viral like i've had a million people send them to me and it's they're all posted by
01:36:24.520 like conservative pages with thousands of replies being like we love jeffrey star and i'm like yeah
01:36:30.800 i'm sure you do because you know he does serve a real role in this ecosystem where someone who
01:36:38.200 is homophobic who is transphobic can hear all of their beliefs regurgitated back to them by someone
01:36:44.120 who looks like jeffrey star and then feel like i don't have to challenge myself on anything because
01:36:49.000 jeffrey agrees with me and jeffrey looks like that yes i think that jeffrey is comfortable with
01:36:54.200 this very impressionable audience that he does not have to work hard to impress like he just has
01:37:00.060 to say the magic words he at this point has learned much like donald trump that he can stand
01:37:06.440 in the middle of the street and shoot someone in the head and no one would care i mean how much has
01:37:11.740 he gotten away with let's not forget earlier we were talking about sexual assault charges you've 1.00
01:37:17.580 got this motherfucker on here talking about our kids our kids our kids let's keep you from the 1.00
01:37:23.200 kids actually and off of those buses huh the whole conservative side i was look i saw a megan 1.00
01:37:28.500 kelly thing earlier today that was so perfect on this you know oh i need to keep the boys out of
01:37:33.420 the girls locker room but like donald trump didn't do anything to those girls and if he did it wasn't 0.96
01:37:39.120 that bad because yada it's like come on it's all a fake bullshit script but they've learned that 0.95
01:37:45.140 they can get away with it and i honestly think that the sad part is is our literacy in this 0.97
01:37:51.600 country is very low and there's enough people who just won't care enough to look into it like
01:37:57.180 the fact that it is so tangibly hard for trans kids to gain access to gender affirming care
01:38:03.880 but people have been able to buy into this narrative that you can send your your kid
01:38:08.960 to school and they'll come back with a sex change the next day it's insane and they believe this
01:38:15.440 you know like you have to get months upon months of electrolysis before you have a sex change
01:38:20.020 operation, because if you don't, hair is going to grow where it shouldn't. But somehow these
01:38:24.580 children are getting full sex change operations. And that's just believable. And for me, that 0.98
01:38:29.640 speaks to just how dehumanized trans people are. The fact that no one wants to look into it enough 1.00
01:38:37.140 to hear how actually hard it is to gain access to this care. He was mentioning, oh, cutting off
01:38:42.980 your tits, right? In very, very, very few circumstances can a person who's under the 1.00
01:38:49.040 age of 18 actually get that surgery. It's not a common thing at all. And if these people knew
01:38:55.380 any trans kids, they would know that they would know that the first couple of years of this
01:39:00.020 conversation is not, well, you need to have surgery. It's more like, well, we're going to
01:39:04.100 support you in your way of expressing yourself. You know, the same way that your fucking mom said 1.00
01:39:09.800 to you, apparently it would be, we're not going to judge you. We're not actually going to tell 0.99
01:39:14.320 you who you are. We're going to give you the opportunity to decide for yourself. In fact,
01:39:19.040 that's actually the function of puberty blockers is allowing a child to have time to decide for
01:39:25.980 themselves whether or not they wanted those things. And you need to have typically a bit of
01:39:30.800 time on actual hormones before you have any of these goddamn surgeries. And so it is so frustrating 0.99
01:39:36.920 to me the way that people talk about this because they actually don't understand that more likely
01:39:42.460 for a rejected trans kid to just, you know, go back into the closet and, you know, decide not
01:39:48.880 to be themselves, is that they're going to run away, get onto the streets, be assaulted by grown
01:39:54.480 men, some of whom are conservative, and that's their only way up and out of their circumstances,
01:39:59.720 being exploited by the same men that voted against their rights. That's the reality for
01:40:04.560 a lot of trans people, is they have to do sex work to survive. It was my past, right? 1.00
01:40:11.300 it aggravates me that that people don't understand that the other end of rejecting trans youth is
01:40:17.720 exploitation or suicide typically the worst thing you could do to a trans kid is not just kind of
01:40:24.760 accept who they are like and i'm very passionate about that because i'm very much who i am because 0.95
01:40:30.540 of some of the shit i had to go through when i was a teenager because my parents didn't accept me
01:40:34.260 it pisses me off because i know that he doesn't care he doesn't care he gets to get away with it 0.85
01:40:39.900 But this actually does have an impact on people.
01:40:43.140 You normalize the idea that this is such a thing. 0.99
01:40:45.800 People do and have voted against people having access to their care just for this bullshit. 0.88
01:40:50.760 Yeah, I think that Jeffrey has done the calculus that the things that he's saying now aren't going to directly affect him in a way that matters to him. 0.98
01:40:59.360 And he also knows, I think at least he's made this sort of bet, that as a gay man who does
01:41:07.660 not have a super strong line of protection between him and any fascist agenda, but I
01:41:13.800 think Jeffrey, even if he's not smart enough to recognize this, like even if he couldn't
01:41:18.140 repeat this back, I think he probably understands that deep down there are other queer people
01:41:23.900 and allies who will be fighting for his rights and protecting his rights.
01:41:27.820 So he's not really in danger because he can ride on the back of other people's work to protect him while he endangers more vulnerable queer and trans people in a way that won't come back to bite him necessarily.
01:41:42.020 I mean, that's what we do on this podcast. 0.95
01:41:44.300 Like I fucking I fucking advocate for Jeffree Star's right to be Jeffree Star every day, whether I like it or not. 0.97
01:41:52.940 Whether I like it or not. 0.98
01:41:54.400 Okay, this is my last six second clip, but I just, I had to include it because I love masculinity. Here's the problem with society. We've set up society to shame and ridicule straight men.
01:42:08.340 Have we? Have we? Have we? And if he looks at the camera softly enough, a straight man will finally pick him. 0.91
01:42:18.940 this is the problem with society we set it up to shame and ridicule straight men
01:42:27.980 jeffree star if only you were right
01:42:31.060 i want to live in that society i think that would be a much more productive one
01:42:37.940 cat and cat thank you so much for joining me today going through this journey i i don't know
01:42:45.900 i would say like i hope this is the last time i talk about jeffree star it won't be it won't be
01:42:50.120 thank you so much for having us you just reminded me that i think i ended one of my videos literally
01:42:56.780 saying and i hope this is the last time i ever talk about jeffree star that obviously did not
01:43:03.240 happen jeffree star is gonna like live till 200 years old and he's gonna be on like whatever like
01:43:09.100 ai future app is dominating then and like he will be one of the top 10 most followed people on that
01:43:15.580 app and i thankfully will be dead edgy teens will keep his likeness alive forever they'll build
01:43:25.940 pyramids in his name i'm sure but thank you so much for having me i did appreciate my time
01:43:33.380 discussing this this was a blast from the past where can people find each of you support your
01:43:38.140 work etc etc well you can find me on black in the city.com that is my website where i write
01:43:43.900 you know every once in a while and also youtube that's really the main place that's where most
01:43:48.660 people follow me on youtube kat black k-a-t-b-l-a-q-u-e like the 90s girl group and then
01:43:54.700 i am at spitfirenews.com is my newsletter and you can also find me on blue sky and instagram
01:44:01.840 at kat ten barge and if you have made it this far in the episode as usual i have no idea how
01:44:07.940 long this will be once it's cut down but you have very likely made it through quite a lot of time
01:44:12.300 i appreciate you so much thank you for allowing me to indulge in my little online fixations of 1.00
01:44:19.700 the most annoying gay people in the world i love you so much and until next time stay fruity 1.00