Bitchy History - TDWS： Fine Feminist Hour with ProfessorMeredith & Letters From a Feminist

00:00:00.000 Good morning, all, and welcome to the Daily Whatever Show. I am Dana Dubois, and today

00:00:08.680 is Fine Feminist Hour. So I am joined by the incredible Zofina from Letters from a Feminist

00:00:16.200 and from Professor Meredith. Hello, and welcome to the show, you two.

00:00:22.600 Thanks for having me.

00:00:23.480 It's good to be back. Yeah, it's good to be back.

00:00:25.760 It is great to have you back, and it is great to meet you, Professor Meredith. I

00:00:29.620 have so quickly become such a fan of your work this happens every now and then on Substack

00:00:35.740 where I'm like wow who is this someone like the algo gets it right and I'm suddenly like

00:00:43.200 who is this hilarious brainy human the algorithm really just like slammed me into the stratosphere

00:00:51.800 over the course of like a month and it was it's been very strange it's strange but it is not

00:00:57.260 unusual it's because your writing is very good and very specific um i broke my dog has wandered

00:01:02.820 off before i can give her her treat i don't know if you can hear her howling kira yeah she's so

00:01:10.020 funny this is she's now like i get my treats um because i'm me y'all in the audience you can see

00:01:16.040 i inadvertently set this up as an i write out loud live instead of the daily whatever show one

00:01:22.660 but i do want to go look but that's me it says yeah it does say the daily whatever show good

00:01:30.420 in the logo um on the screen you'll see it says i write out loud that is my personal publication

00:01:35.620 that's a whoopsie on my part um i can't blame i can blame neither sub stack nor stream yard for

00:01:41.720 that but because i am still yep good i see us here live wow we look good on this dark background

00:01:49.560 I dig it yes let me go ahead and enter the chat here and say hello all and to ask all of you

00:01:58.340 to please send up all the hearts for Zulfina and for Professor Meredith but should I call

00:02:06.120 you Professor Meredith or are you do for Meredith? You can just go Meredith that's fine yeah I just

00:02:10.920 okay since that's my since that's the the one I use on Substack I figured I'd keep it consistent

00:02:15.300 for people but yes either way Meredith is fine great um I'm always conscious of that um when I 1.00

00:02:24.340 have had a few um doctors on the show MDs and um there is this this happens more with women than

00:02:33.600 with men I've noticed that people will revert to first names and remove honorifics so I'm

00:02:38.080 always there you go that's the feminist killjoy in me that's patriarchy for you and so I always

00:02:43.140 want to to be sure to ask um i know it says up i write up i'll try that again limit i know it says

00:02:50.300 i write out loud up in the corner i inadvertently scheduled this in the wrong um studio so we are in

00:02:57.580 the my newly created i write out loud studio i only made one this week uh so i just inadvertently

00:03:03.900 scheduled in the in the wrong spot but would it be the daily whatever show without at least one

00:03:08.360 technical challenge i don't think so and of course not yeah i dream of the day when um we can all

00:03:17.340 have like a staff like the the technical person is the one running the tech stuff oh my god and

00:03:24.140 the person on camera isn't simultaneously responsible for everything to make a show

00:03:29.600 that's great i will cheers you to that i will cheers you to that with my first morning tea

00:03:35.600 first sip of caffeine in the morning is always like such a joy um before we get going

00:03:44.520 I would like to introduce each of you to the audience um I'm going to start with you Zulfina

00:03:50.600 because you've been on before is this your third appearance on the daily whatever show I think it's

00:03:54.940 I think fourth oh because of the um birthday party yes oh that was so fun yeah that was so

00:04:01.520 fun oh my gosh I um yeah I think there were 18 people scheduled that day oh we couldn't do that

00:04:08.800 anymore because Substack um is kneecapping us at just three people and on a live uh we could do it

00:04:16.480 just nobody would be tied you know we wouldn't see names up at the top but that's another story um

00:04:23.280 Zulfina your letters from a feminist um several months ago was the um kind of the Substack that

00:04:31.120 just the algo front and center put you in my feed and I was like who is this woman who is this 1.00

00:04:38.880 firebrand who who in so few words can communicate these deep feminist truths and make everyone pay 1.00

00:04:47.520 attention uh in such a positive way um since then I have had the pleasure of getting to know you

00:04:53.760 of reading I I feel like you're writing more long-form content now yeah um which is I try to

00:04:59.680 both yeah yeah and maybe at the beginning I was just only seeing your notes but it seems like

00:05:05.580 there's more of a cadence now am I right about that or has it been just no that's that's definitely

00:05:10.040 true I I do notes and usually like on the daily I like at a certain time but I'm trying to do more

00:05:16.260 long form posts but I'm really not that I mean Meredith you're amazing at long form I love it so

00:05:21.600 much I struggle with doing long form but yeah yeah it is okay to form is very like there's a there's

00:05:28.740 a lot of brain processing that goes into writing a piece and it's like i'll be sitting there

00:05:32.580 working out for two or three days and it's just a lot so it is oh 100 percent um anything else

00:05:39.880 i'm missing zolfina i know you you're a student um yes i know you live in dubai so we are

00:05:46.360 i'm in a big stand right now for my sister's wedding so it's fun that's so exciting when's

00:05:52.520 the wedding it is july 3rd but we have an engagement party can you believe she's getting

00:05:57.360 engaged like less than two weeks before she's getting married that is so weird but yeah that's

00:06:03.960 true she just got engaged in and well she's like she's like pre-engaged like there's an official

00:06:09.500 engagement party on the 26th but then she's getting married in 3rd of july so very hectic

00:06:14.760 yeah oh my gosh so this has always confused me because i i remember there was like a trend for

00:06:21.440 a while it was probably still going of giving a pre-engagement ring yes i was like but an

00:06:26.420 engagement is simply a commitment that you will marry and so a pre-engagement is the same thing

00:06:32.660 as an engagement they're just dragging it out i guess i'm confused you you want a lot of parties

00:06:37.680 so you get a lot of parties and a lot of jewelry in the lead-up which is not a problem if that's

00:06:42.080 what you want right yeah right and a lot of presents oh my god that's that's wild um but

00:06:50.480 how wonderful for your family i hope it's a joyous thing i i hope that good that is wonderful um

00:06:57.840 professor meredith this is our first time meeting i am thrilled to have you on the show

00:07:03.280 um i know a bit about you you're an excellent long form writer zofina is not wrong um clearly

00:07:08.720 in academic by the way right um and i know from your note the other day um that you were studying

00:07:18.320 for a PhD and you were facing up against some very American challenges there um I don't know

00:07:24.600 oh I'm so sorry why don't let's talk about the happy part of it um introduce yourself and also

00:07:31.720 what are you studying yeah so um so I actually I already have one master's I have a master's in

00:07:38.820 global and colonial history uh which sounds super impressive I'm probably gonna I might get to teach

00:07:46.020 next year a couple of courses at london school of economics which is really cool uh they like to

00:07:50.920 hire doctoral students to teach their classes because they can pay us less which is great um

00:07:56.120 amazing uh so i'm putting in applications for so i can have a job while i'm doing my phd so i can

00:08:01.380 have some money um i'm doing my second master's which is wrapping up right now

00:08:05.940 in gender studies and in october i'm starting the phd uh and it's i'm in the interdisciplinary

00:08:13.220 school of the humanities is the is the title of the program uh which basically just means that i

00:08:19.720 got to combine all my favorite things into a project uh and then they approved it they didn't

00:08:25.360 fund it but they have fun they have they have limited funding uh but they did approve it within

00:08:30.300 like two weeks of me applying for the program which i thought was pretty impressive that's fast

00:08:35.220 what i'm it's very fast yeah it's a very fast approval process for a phd uh i've i've applied

00:08:41.400 for stuff sometimes and waited like months to get a rejection and then i got this and i was like i

00:08:46.860 don't know what my advisor wrote in her recommendation letter but it must have been good

00:08:50.680 basically what i'm studying for that is it's a combination of history media studies and gender

00:08:56.640 studies uh that is such a dream it is it's so much fun and i get to watch um i get to watch

00:09:03.700 medical dramas uh and critique them as homework which is so much fun uh then again i have to watch

00:09:10.360 like 15 seasons of er so there's there's gonna be a lot to watch to get through this wow i would

00:09:16.860 love that as homework i would really love that it's great i'm watching it potentially just for

00:09:22.800 um just i'm just watching it for episodes that deal with abortion and and and and uh women's

00:09:27.580 reproductive health so my s my my whole project is on looking at how uh media during the since

00:09:34.420 since Roe up until Dobbs has shifted and changed the uh rhetoric around women's reproductive health

00:09:41.140 uh and medical dramas like Grey's Anatomy ER shows like that are my primary primary focus for that

00:09:46.680 which is it's really fun I think it's gonna be really good everyone I know is like oh does that

00:09:50.880 mean you get to watch The Pit for uh I guess that I was just gonna ask you I get to watch that one

00:09:57.420 for fun and not for analysis because um it's after Dobbs so I don't have to it's not part of my

00:10:03.580 analysis but but yeah i definitely have what i've i mean i've written like five articles on my

00:10:09.400 sub stack about the pit alone so clearly i have a bit of a fascination with it i need to watch

00:10:14.720 that show don't i i haven't seen it yet but i just like that's what i've heard is that one of

00:10:20.240 the ones that's just one take that the show is like one breathtaking rush through or yeah it's

00:10:25.720 like uh they're 15 episodes and it's it's all over the course of like one hour episode is for

00:10:31.520 one hour of the day in the in the er so it's like one continuous plot line and it's so well done

00:10:36.920 i held up on watching it for so long because i'm one of those people that sees everyone else loving

00:10:41.560 a show and i'm like all right it can't be that good it can't be yeah it's finally set i don't

00:10:46.800 want to be disappointed i binged the first season in a single weekend it was so good i just sat there

00:10:52.100 and watched wow so yeah definitely i wonder if my teenage daughters would like it i don't know

00:10:58.120 have to see it's if they don't like it's a little gory because that i would say the prosthetics

00:11:03.460 department top notch most of the stuff is very like is they're not using cgi for it they're

00:11:09.900 using actual prosthetics for the surgeries and stuff and it's it's a lot i've seen things that

00:11:15.020 i did not want to see the narrative handle that i don't know how you do it i don't usually it

00:11:23.760 I'll be crocheting and looking down at my crochet while I'm doing it to not see what's happening

00:11:28.240 on screen. That's what I do. I'm listening, but I can't deal with the visuals of this.

00:11:31.840 Yeah, same. That's so funny. But I'm fascinated now thinking about ER. I'm fascinated with this

00:11:38.100 premise because I'm a firm believer that the culture moves the politics and that they are

00:11:46.660 intertwined. And, you know, my first love is memoir writing. And I think that the personal

00:11:53.280 impacts the culture impacts the political and you cannot break that cycle that's just

00:11:59.140 um and it's not a straight line it's kind of a big mass of things and i i'm older than you both

00:12:08.080 and i watched er in real time when it was on i remember really liking the show but it's been so

00:12:14.700 long that i don't i don't remember that many details and i'm like wow what did i accept as

00:12:21.120 normal then that if I watched it now would be really jarring and I'm curious what have you

00:12:27.720 have you started this exercise I have started I was kind of I mean I haven't officially started

00:12:32.800 but I have kind of started re-watching old episodes of shows and stuff like that I will say

00:12:38.180 unrelated to the reproductive rights uh issue I was absolutely shocked at the way they handled

00:12:45.440 the main character has a storyline that involves him talking about how he lost his virginity and

00:12:50.720 everyone makes fun of it because he was like 14 and it was his maid his family's maid and everyone

00:12:56.040 makes fun of it and i was like why this wasn't funny like this was not it was so messed up that

00:13:02.660 this was a plot one that they just thought was like the characters his friends at the hospital

00:13:06.640 are like making jokes about it is he sharing it like it was traumatic or is he sharing it

00:13:12.200 or just matter of fact clearly isn't like saying it was traumatic but of course he wouldn't because

00:13:18.240 nobody thinks it is right and it's kind of like it's not being shared as if it was a bad thing

00:13:23.760 necessarily and i'm sitting here watching the episode and i'm like what just happened i don't

00:13:30.400 like this at all welcome to the 80s it was bad it was bad early 90s i think it was the 80s right

00:13:39.760 it was the 90s was it the 90s see it's all blurring yeah don't don't even ask me because

00:13:46.060 i'm literally i'm watching so many medical dramas all the way from the 70s so i feel like i watched

00:13:52.600 it before oh yeah no 1994 wow i'm having a total um what do you call those like the baren

00:14:00.360 barenstein bear moments of the mandala effects and i'm like i swear i watched that before i

00:14:06.920 left for college but i i definitely did not like where was i living when i watched this i i pictured

00:14:13.980 myself in florida uh it could have been it could have been a different medical drama there are so

00:14:18.260 many medical it was definitely er because i didn't who was the one who lost his virginity

00:14:23.340 was it george clinney or was it the kind of balding main guy uh no it was uh uh john noah

00:14:28.260 wiley's character john carter oh who was like the intern when that show starts he was like the

00:14:33.140 intern at the start and he's like from a very rich family and so they kind of play that up for jokes

00:14:37.460 that he was you know like a trust fund brat and i'm like no this is not funny it's it's not that's

00:14:43.820 not a funny joke you shouldn't have made that joke um but i understand it was the 90s but still

00:14:48.220 i feel like they should have known i mean for someone who has like both my both of my parents

00:14:53.580 are doctors and like a lot of my family are like from the medical field i have not watched a single

00:15:00.000 like those kind of like you know hospital related like medical kind of shows because i see too much

00:15:06.280 of it in real life so i opt out of that yeah oh my gosh annabelle in the chat just asked are you

00:15:12.460 watching old saint elsewhere i for completely i don't know that i ever watched that but like

00:15:18.260 do you sing that title annabelle like just set off some very weird old memory um and uh yeah

00:15:24.740 annabelle that saint elsewhere is my uh is on the list of shows that i'm watching i think the oldest

00:15:30.140 show is trapper john and d um which is like a follow-up to mash uh but yeah saint elsewhere

00:15:36.900 is on the list thank god i don't have to watch all the way to the end of saint elsewhere because

00:15:41.560 i'm not gonna spoil it i guess it's not spoilers anymore it's been out a long time but it has the

00:15:47.720 worst ending of any television show i've ever watched oh i don't even know i don't remember

00:15:52.800 the show i don't think i watched it was all it was all a dream oh that's right that was was that

00:15:59.520 the lorenzo llamas show that has to be the worst ending ever wow the tritest ending ever oh my god

00:16:09.340 i love it um you know i i want to um shift gears from television that we can come back and forth

00:16:17.020 to it because that's so fascinating that that's part of your dissertation and i love it i can

00:16:22.940 talk about it for ages so let's let's move on to something else before i just yeah yeah i think

00:16:28.820 yanni i think new heart was just a dream also where there was something about it that was a

00:16:33.100 dream i don't remember the details but yeah that that device is i feel like that's just the device

00:16:38.620 that writers use when they're like, I don't know, somebody could wake up and none of this

00:16:43.460 be real. And they're all like, got it. And we're out. I like to ask my guests on this show

00:16:51.320 a very basic kind of a one-on-one question, since you're a professor. And I'll start with

00:16:57.080 you, Professor Meredith. What does feminism mean to you in 2026? Why do you talk about it? 1.00

00:17:04.560 i mean i think the main thing is that people misunderstand it so much and they intentionally 0.96

00:17:11.100 misunderstand it right like i've been writing a lot of pieces lately about anti-feminists 1.00

00:17:14.880 who want to make it into this idea that it's just a bunch of unpleasant women 1.00

00:17:18.740 being angry and bitter and like on the internet clearly i mean listen to us we're like harpy is 1.00

00:17:26.300 terrible can you hear how shrill her voice is it's so mean i can hear the cats i can hear the

00:17:33.300 cat's in the background already i can i know i do have a cat but not it currently she's in the u.s 1.00

00:17:37.700 my mom uh but no so i uh i mean the thing about feminism is that it isn't just about women it's 1.00

00:17:46.080 about entire systems and it's about the systems that have been constructed in society which yes 0.81

00:17:52.320 benefit men but they only benefit certain men who fit the right roles and do the right things

00:17:59.400 and create these very very solid structures around how we're allowed to live our lives 0.84

00:18:05.560 and feminism is about breaking that down and saying you're not required to live life in this 1.00

00:18:12.660 like cage that society has constructed for you um and that's not just about helping women have 0.95

00:18:19.160 a better life it's about how having everyone in society have a better life uh because yeah see

00:18:24.220 fewer restrictions we have yeah yeah it's the fewer restrictions we have fewer restrictions

00:18:29.540 we have in society the happier and better off everyone is going to be uh and of course it's 0.67

00:18:34.560 going to help women more because we have historically been oppressed by these systems

00:18:38.840 more but it doesn't mean it's not going to help everybody right um so that's that's what i think 1.00

00:18:43.900 feminism is that is such a like optimistic without being pollyanna-ish attitude about 0.99

00:18:50.940 i can't be too pollyanna-ish about it but yeah i try to be uh i try to not let it be just bitter

00:18:57.020 i am bitter don't get me wrong but we have just cause yes and you said something about the are

00:19:04.760 you able to disclose where you are because you had said you it's back at your cat is back in the u.s

00:19:09.420 yes so i'm in the uk right now so um i mean when you look in the states a lot of the gender studies

00:19:16.480 programs in the states have actually been shut down uh at a lot of the universities i was just

00:19:20.920 watching john oliver's latest episode um last night and it was all about how about new college

00:19:26.720 in florida which one of the very first things they did when they took over that college was

00:19:31.540 shut down the gender studies program and um there really just isn't that many opportunities for

00:19:37.040 gender studies you see that you see that with um you see that with gen like not only gender studies

00:19:42.100 you see that with like critical theory i think also with um something to do with race as well

00:19:47.740 those kind of critical race theory courses are shut down anything any sort of history programs

00:19:54.000 that specify like women's history gender history race history all those are being defunded in in

00:19:59.940 massive ways and so that's becoming even more difficult to to study there and i mean i could

00:20:06.140 have stayed in the states and studied i could have found a program a big part of me coming here was

00:20:10.140 to get out of the u.s um so 100 my mom's exact words were my mom's kind of words were on that

00:20:16.540 subject were uh it's probably a good idea that you get out of the state of the united states 0.99

00:20:20.480 because you don't know how to shut the fuck up was that a welcome comment from your mom 0.99

00:20:26.740 that was a sign that was a sign she uh she knows she knows she was saying that in a compliment 0.99

00:20:32.220 that was in a in a complimentary way not a derogatory way oh my god i love i love your

00:20:37.780 mom already that is so something you're gonna go she's like you're gonna end up in a camp you gotta

00:20:42.000 leave oh I mean terrifying but um very cool that your mom that she can talk to you like that

00:20:54.080 my eldest my eldest leaves for college in the fall and uh that is the sort of thing I would 0.98

00:21:00.400 say to her like get out of here because you can't shut the fuck up and yeah I don't want you being 0.94

00:21:04.320 sent to a camp we have that kind of gallows humor as well um congrats on getting overseas for 0.99

00:21:10.380 education that is hard work and that is his and it it's heartbreaking I grew up in Florida

00:21:16.540 and it's hard to explain what new college used to be but it was this like strange little

00:21:25.080 very brainy and also sort of not quite bohemian that's the wrong word but it was like

00:21:31.600 you know, the place where the super smart kids went who like wanted to make their own major and

00:21:37.840 just be very intellectual and very like ivory tower for lack of another word. And to know that

00:21:44.260 it was shot down in this, like that was the first thing that DeSantis did, I think from an education

00:21:50.500 perspective was like, we can't have this bastion of liberal education for just like intellectuals

00:21:56.800 who are studying because they simply want to learn and, you know, enhance their minds versus

00:22:02.060 call, you know, maybe true academic training, um, or like job training. Uh, I hate this timeline,

00:22:09.620 you guys, I hate it. It is, it's the worst timeline at all. I can think is my first master's

00:22:16.140 was written about Star Trek, my first master's thesis, uh, which is a whole other story of how

00:22:21.120 I managed to do that in history program. But, um, but that was one of the things I always think

00:22:26.280 about is like the timeline to get to star trek always has to go through like the eugenics wars

00:22:32.100 and all these horrible things and i'm like crap we're in the star trek universe and i don't like

00:22:36.580 this timeline like i'm in the bad point of the star trek timeline oh my god you're not wrong 0.55

00:22:42.020 zolfina i want to move up i'd ask you the same question yes and i can't remember if i asked you

00:22:48.340 this question last time you were on but i'm just because i can't remember i'm gonna i think i think 0.99

00:22:52.520 you did i think you did when i first joined which was very awesome but i think uh feminism in like

00:22:58.780 the most simplest term for me is obviously the equality of the sexes and gender equality is some

00:23:06.540 it's more than that though like feminism for me is for deconstructing the patriarchy and as you

00:23:11.320 said the comment about men it's also because i believe that patriarchy's first victim is men

00:23:16.780 i always say that yeah men like patriarchy consumes men as fuel so feminism for me is

00:23:23.700 not just about women it is also about men and as you said having gender equality and actually

00:23:31.540 achieving feminism means that men are held accountable and they're the one who are taking

00:23:37.340 the first step and because they're the one who built this system they're the one who have

00:23:42.960 like historically oppressed us but at the same time they don't understand that not all classes

00:23:48.960 of men as you mentioned are reaping benefits from it um because the patriarchy benefits like the top

00:23:55.260 10 percent of like the richest men like that i love it and i think this ties really nicely into

00:24:02.660 one of your recent stories that i'm going to share here in the chat um i imagine that this

00:24:10.740 headline got you a lot of comments from men. It is called, actually, I love that you used the

00:24:18.080 man's point, actually, all men benefit from violence against women. That is a punch in the

00:24:28.160 gut of a headline. And I know, I said this last time you were on air, and I have to underline it

00:24:35.800 again as a writer who loves the craft of writing um you may struggle some with long form um that

00:24:42.900 it's harder for you to do it it doesn't show but you are you are magnificent at short form writing

00:24:48.740 your notes travel faster than any notes I've seen um that you say so much with so few words

00:24:56.600 that resonate. And this title is like a master class in that. Because it says something in a way

00:25:06.840 that is a little, it's incendiary, but it also makes you be like, oh, yeah, actually. And then

00:25:14.240 you go on to substantiate it in your story. So I feel like this ties in nicely to what you were

00:25:20.840 saying of um what both of you were saying about how feminism is here to help men this is kind of

00:25:28.200 the flip side of that of the expectations on men are as such right now that uh there's sort of this

00:25:39.420 like um the burn haystack dating method has a funny name for this i'm trying to remember it's

00:25:43.860 like um gold gold star for bare minimum i think is what it's called is that it yeah and like

00:25:50.640 that's it might make things in life easier for men but like that's that's not a great way to

00:25:56.880 go through life men deserve to be held to a higher bar than that zolfina what was the inspiration for

00:26:04.720 this story and kind of how did you bring it to life well i think it started with me doom scrolling 0.91

00:26:11.540 on TikTok because I'm I remember especially during um women's yeah 8th of March I like

00:26:20.780 distinctly remember the time where some men were like oh my god happy you know women's day right

00:26:25.860 and then everyone in the comments were going like wild like oh my god this is how men should be

00:26:31.220 and he's just literally saying happy women's day and I was just like I really do feel like

00:26:37.840 men they get they have such a low like bar like standard like men just don't be a rapist and you

00:26:43.980 get a gold cookie like you get a cookie you get a gold star like you just just be not you don't

00:26:48.920 have to be an actual good person right or like someone with a moral compass you just have to not

00:26:55.020 inflict violence against women that people don't know about right because in a lot of marriages

00:27:00.380 there is going to be violence that you don't share with anyone but you're still seeing like a good

00:27:04.920 and also I think this

00:27:06.020 the inspiration also came from

00:27:08.800 the online rape academy

00:27:10.820 because I'm still thinking about that

00:27:12.780 to this day

00:27:13.420 I can't wrap my head around it

00:27:16.720 it's back online

00:27:18.380 and nobody's reporting on it

00:27:20.720 and dude if I did this full time

00:27:22.800 this is 100% what I would be

00:27:24.800 digging into right now

00:27:25.840 sorry

00:27:28.080 you talk about motherless

00:27:29.960 by the way can we just have a moment

00:27:32.360 as three women who believe words matter that website is called motherless it's so oh my god

00:27:41.060 it's just out there like they don't they're not even trying to hide anything yeah and i i did a

00:27:47.800 very quick look at what was online and in the u.s i as of a week ago there was no reporting on the

00:27:54.180 fact that it went back online um cnn did that really great deep dive and for those of you

00:27:59.480 online who don't know what we're talking about this was that sleep porn story and I'm definitely

00:28:04.580 using the air quotes because they were not asleep the women were drugged and unconscious and it was 0.54

00:28:09.680 their husbands and boyfriends their partners who were raping them in their sleep and then sharing

00:28:13.980 the videos um and they made a there was news about like the site went down which there should

00:28:20.220 be news that's great it was only down for a few days you guys it's back up and the quick look at

00:28:26.280 what i could find online was um they have moderators ai mostly moderator a moderation

00:28:33.120 tool that they admit is flawed you don't say yeah yeah you think and every video you guys

00:28:40.620 you're gonna love this every video has a report button we count on our community to keep things

00:28:47.100 legal and safe here i think the problem being that if you are part of that community they

00:28:53.300 clearly don't care about legal or safe so that's gonna be an issue it is literally a community

00:28:58.740 built around rape sharing not just rape but raping women who you have access to in the space where

00:29:08.540 they should feel the safest with their partner at home in their own beds yeah and this has become

00:29:16.020 such a an issue and not just this website i remember the court case which is in france uh

00:29:24.060 last year or the year before about the about the exact same thing yes exactly where the same thing

00:29:31.000 happening and you're just thinking how unsafe do we have before people care because it's not

00:29:39.220 at that point you know everyone thinks about and i've written about this a bit with talking about

00:29:44.100 rape culture uh where people think that rape is a stranger like a stranger danger somebody in a

00:29:51.580 in a you know in a alley behind a bar or something like that and you can protect yourself from that

00:29:57.220 when so much of the time it's your spouse your boyfriend somebody that you work with a friend

00:30:04.320 and you can't protect yourself from that unless you just never talk to men ever like that's not

00:30:12.760 an option though like i yeah on the same note on my article i was discussing this because i

00:30:18.780 i really think in order to well first of all it is a trend like young men they are like all men

00:30:24.440 across all races across all ethnicities religions doesn't matter where you are there is a clear

00:30:30.240 trend of male violence on women and it's everywhere and it's i really do think the solution is to

00:30:37.340 declare a gender-based violence as a public health crisis like it is something that governments

00:30:42.160 should take as seriously as if it's like an active attack on women as a gender um but yeah you're

00:30:50.160 right yeah yeah um good luck with that i agree with you 100 and i'm like oh my god we're so

00:31:00.380 like far from that i know i will say here in the uk they're actively trying to do more

00:31:06.480 in schools now to teach young men about respecting women and and things like that i don't know how

00:31:12.980 effective that's going to be it's going to get i know it's going to get backlash uh from from

00:31:17.580 the conservative sides of things here in the uk uh but at least it's an attempt to do something

00:31:23.800 and i i see these headlines i saw a headline on a instagram page i follow that has like a only

00:31:31.420 post good news and i'm like you know because i'm usually doom scrolling as well so it's nice to get

00:31:35.520 good headlines um but one of the headlines they posted just the other day was a story about how

00:31:41.640 in korea they are now putting these like late night bus services out so that women can get home

00:31:47.120 without being you know attacked in the streets and i'm like okay okay i understand you saying

00:31:53.380 that's a good news headline but the fact that we need late night bus systems for women to so they

00:31:59.580 can get home from work without being attacked in the streets that doesn't feel like good news to

00:32:03.900 me oh my god we are so desperate for good news that yeah sorry go ahead solfita i was just gonna

00:32:10.600 say that we do have like on uber you can like order a woman only taxi and like yeah it's great

00:32:17.320 but why do we need it in the first place like why can i not use any modes of transport without

00:32:22.920 fearing for my safety and it's these kind of discussions that you don't see in the news you

00:32:27.580 don't see on the media outlets it's just normal it's just reality i will say and i don't even know

00:32:34.300 how much that will will work because uh i used i don't i didn't use uber or lyft very much when i

00:32:39.960 lived in the states because i had a car but i did use doordash more often than i probably should

00:32:44.380 have uh and uh one of the things i noted is that i would get a driver get a doordash delivery uh

00:32:50.660 and or uber eats or whatever and it would say a woman's name have a woman's picture and then it

00:32:55.160 was a man doing the drop-off and it's just like yeah like it was i don't know if they're using

00:33:00.180 their girlfriend's account or their whatever there's some reason but it was it was a man

00:33:04.580 doing the drop-off and i always had them leave it outside my door and just leave but it was a

00:33:12.040 really concerning thing where it's like if i opened the door and i get out oh i ordered lunch

00:33:16.260 get out of the shower and the towel on open the door and there's a dude out there that i wasn't

00:33:19.920 expecting like that makes me very uncomfortable uh so i'm not even sure how much that would help

00:33:24.820 with Uber or, or Lyft. Right. They could just, they could just change their profile photo or

00:33:29.800 their name. Um, ew, ew, and ew. I'm still laughing at the good news thing. The equivalent of that

00:33:36.120 Zulfina, you probably don't see this outside the U S but a lot of those, you see these like good

00:33:41.760 news, human feel good stories that are like, you know, local neighborhood boy opens lemonade stand

00:33:47.680 to raise money for, you know, sibling with leukemia to pay for the treatment. You're like, dude, that

00:33:53.820 is not a feel-good story that is the saddest fucking story oh my god wait i have seen one 0.98

00:34:00.820 of those where it's like a woman is so basically she is running a whole mcdonald's like like shop 0.98

00:34:07.200 by no sorry not shop um place basically by all by herself like she's the one at the drive-thru

00:34:13.640 she's at the cashier and they're like oh my god this woman did it all and i'm like how is this a 1.00

00:34:19.240 good story like how is this a feel-good story like this poor woman she managed the whole place 0.69

00:34:25.340 while serving people while cooking the food as well and you're telling me that's a good story 1.00

00:34:29.200 and she probably gets paid way less like oh my god that's yeah all the labor falls to us 1.00

00:34:37.100 um do everything and for do it for free because we love our families oh my god and women are

00:34:43.480 we're meant to do this guys yes this is this is what i got my yeah of course this is what we're

00:34:49.460 adapted for um we have a great question here from my in real life friend cliff mcclough who is here

00:34:55.500 in the chat hi cliff i love what people i know in real life join um he is he it's a two-part

00:35:02.360 question hold on i gotta scroll up here a little bit to get the first part um regarding the

00:35:08.100 conversation involving men and feminism if you could go back in time and come up with a new

00:35:12.640 word for feminism would you and if you would what would you call it and he's asking this like do you

00:35:19.540 think it hurts the message to have the word feminism that is such a cool question what an

00:35:26.360 interesting question wait can I answer I think I would not change it I would not change it

00:35:31.560 I think honestly as I said feminism is not only for women it is for everyone who's oppressed by

00:35:37.940 the patriarchy and everyone is oppressed by the patriarchy and so but i do think it's like a

00:35:42.580 statement though because in a way feminism is we reclaimed back like there's so many words like

00:35:51.420 vocabulary that is so related to the patriarchy like you know mrs miss like all those kind of

00:35:56.320 like like there's so many things in the man in the language that we use yeah that is stained by

00:36:02.640 patriarchy so i think having a word that directly references female i don't know i wouldn't change

00:36:08.480 it i don't know yeah that's controversial i i wouldn't change it either and i think that the

00:36:14.740 main reason for that is that the only people it's like something i posted the other day where i said

00:36:21.140 you know there's too many men out there pretending to be feminists for the points and then getting

00:36:25.400 mad and i was like watch watch this post for the people who get mad because then you'll know which 0.86

00:36:29.420 ones i'm talking about uh right only people who are mad about the term feminism and think that

00:36:34.800 it's exclusionary are people who think that women are less than men that's that's how i tend to view

00:36:40.940 it and it's and i would also add that it's also the men who are mad about feminism is because

00:36:45.720 their whole masculinity is based on a person woman and so they obviously their egos get hurts

00:36:51.760 when they point that out yeah yeah just a little bit i yeah i think um i think i hear some of the

00:36:58.500 intent behind this question um that cliff is asking and uh there's a amy is weighing in in

00:37:04.560 the chat that's a sexist question because it implies that there's a problem with promoting

00:37:08.020 women um i know cliff well enough to be like i know it was asked with good intent and i and i hear

00:37:13.380 it and you know what i see it every week because our um when we called the show is called the fine 0.71

00:37:19.060 feminist hour and it always has less traffic than the other four days by percent because like the 1.00

00:37:28.380 two of you being here, our numbers should be higher. And I think it's the word feminist. It 1.00

00:37:33.640 turns, there's a lot of people who, a lot of people who don't want to identify with the word, 1.00

00:37:38.500 even women who actually are feminists. The reason I always ask that question is one of my early

00:37:44.580 guests told me like, I don't identify as a feminist. And I was like, but the work you're 0.98

00:37:49.620 doing here, the writing you're doing is clearly very feminine. And so we had a whole conversation

00:37:55.760 about what it means and i launched the show and i it quite intentionally used the word feminist

00:38:01.780 always because i want to take the word back absolutely and there's so much yeah and i

00:38:08.440 wanted to respond somebody or go ahead yeah i just wanted to say that you're good um yeah so

00:38:16.440 feminism i do agree with you it is such a bad word it is like a slur almost like oh my god 0.96

00:38:22.240 you're a feminist and like the whole media tried to paint it what it's not and it's very important

00:38:26.640 to have spaces where we're proud of being called a feminist but yeah go ahead i was going to say i

00:38:32.100 wanted to respond to somebody in the chat was that jane who said that uh the men who hate women would

00:38:36.000 just find ways to bring down whatever word replaced feminism and i think that's exactly the point too

00:38:40.580 is that the word feminism is not the problem it's been what it represents is what they hate

00:38:46.360 and so they they drag the word down we could call it humanism which i got into a whole debate with 0.99

00:38:52.400 somebody the other day about how humanism is not feminism whole other thing we could call it 0.55

00:38:56.120 humanism we could call it anything we want the people who hate the concept behind the word would 0.99

00:39:01.760 find a way to make the word bad and and do that to it so it doesn't matter which word you use

00:39:06.580 there's never going to be a word that isn't demonized by the side that hates it so uh yeah

00:39:12.340 might as well just keep it i don't want to remove i don't want to change anything about it because i

00:39:16.100 know that the word's not the problem yeah the word is not the problem also um i have been um i i have

00:39:23.120 the screen up on my phone and so you two are very tiny but when i looked over here to see it as

00:39:28.120 everyone else does i have to comment on your shirt professor meredith yeah i can't believe i've got

00:39:32.660 all this way through the show without commenting where did you get that shirt because i need it

00:39:37.880 i i very reluctantly have to admit that i'm pretty sure that either i or one of my friends bought

00:39:43.200 this for me on amazon years and years and years ago but i did say in the chat earlier i do have

00:39:48.280 a merch store and i bet i could design my own version of this and like pop that up on the

00:39:53.380 merch store so that i'll do your first go through amazon so i'll um i'll work on that this afternoon

00:40:00.000 and put something up and post a link to it right i love it this is a copyrighted phrase anybody

00:40:05.100 could anybody could use this so i will definitely try to do that and i love that it's just simple

00:40:10.360 and i word nerd i love the well comma well makes it so much better if i could put in a humble

00:40:18.980 request and we'll just call it a feminist request though it's really just a body request um back in

00:40:25.700 the day back in the aughts t-shirts came in like woman's cut and men's cut and somewhere along the 0.87

00:40:33.260 way they were like it's just unisex and i do not have a unisex body but there are a lot of d's

00:40:39.600 right here i use i use t public for all my merch because it's like it automatically and they have

00:40:44.960 females they have female cuts as well that's why i chose them specifically yeah i don't like the

00:40:48.880 websites that don't have that just do unisex sizings i hate unisex cuts i hate unisex cuts 0.55

00:40:55.140 oh good i and i only just discovered that the other day ellie leonard who i adore and who's

00:41:01.900 going to be on our show tomorrow uh she she put in her um feed a link to a t-shirt she'd been

00:41:07.160 wearing on a live that people asked about that it was like jane austen-esque and it said more

00:41:11.700 pride less prejudice and when i clicked through i was like oh not only does this come in male cut

00:41:18.200 female cut but there's six different women's cuts there was like the class on t public right and um

00:41:26.040 yeah i agree to that okay so um please seriously so i'll design it and i'll post it up and i'll

00:41:34.720 posted up this afternoon and i usually i get my designs done really quickly i have canva pro so

00:41:39.240 canva pro makes it very easy to make i'm done i'm actually i have very ridiculous designs like the

00:41:46.420 other day somebody made a comment on one of my posts and i was like that is a hilarious comment

00:41:50.340 that should be on a shirt what was it uh would be at least i'm pulling it up now so i can remember

00:41:55.380 exactly what they said uh they it was on a comment about my thing about the roi on making women have

00:42:01.260 an orgasm that post where somebody commented on it that it was um it's a truth universally

00:42:07.720 acknowledged that a woman in possession of a job and a vibrator will not be looking for a man 0.68

00:42:11.480 and i was like that is such a good line it needs to be on a shirt and they uh they were like you

00:42:17.840 can use it please do it and so i put it up on the i put it up on my merch store it's just oh my god

00:42:23.020 it's like in a weird comic sans bubble font and it's just i made it as ridiculous as possible

00:42:29.620 Wait, is your shop, like, linked to your

00:42:31.680 page? Yeah, it is.

00:42:33.600 There should be a link at the top of my page

00:42:35.340 to it. It's just bitchy history 1.00

00:42:37.620 on TeePublic. So, 1.00

00:42:39.360 I'll post a link in the chat.

00:42:41.760 Please do. Lawrence,

00:42:43.800 my usual co-host on the

00:42:45.640 Daily Whatever show, he also has

00:42:47.700 a t-shirt store, and there has been many a time

00:42:49.640 when we're doing these lives where I'm like, write that down.

00:42:51.720 I want a t-shirt. But

00:42:53.160 whatever site he's using does not

00:42:55.660 have women's cut shirts. 0.99

00:42:57.820 i know and he sent me a couple t-shirts and i love i have one that um it just says fuck trump 0.97

00:43:03.400 but it it's like this is very floral design and so it's very subtle oh my god wait i've seen you 0.88

00:43:09.420 wear it once it is yeah and then there's yeah it's really pretty but i never wear it because

00:43:15.260 it's like it just feels wrong because it doesn't sit right it does not and then i even he made me

00:43:21.960 another one that says feminist killjoy at my request which was gonna be the name of the show 0.96

00:43:27.580 but feminist killjoy is already being used too much um the fine feminist is it's me being kind

00:43:33.540 of tongue-in-cheek and the original version of it it was fine comma feminist because it's me being

00:43:40.120 like okay fine i'm a feminist you got me oh my god wait i love that yeah it's tossed out as like

00:43:46.560 an insult you feminist and i'm like yeah okay fine and it's also um just sort of taking back 1.00

00:43:52.080 his feminists are known as being like being ugly speaking of feminist killjoy though yeah uh when 1.00

00:43:59.760 i taught when i started teaching women's history at the university that i taught at 0.96

00:44:03.040 one of my friends bought me and you can't it's hard to see but they bought and it needs cleaning

00:44:07.300 but it's a it's a says feminist killjoy on it she bought it for me on etsy and sent it to me

00:44:12.340 uh because she's like you know that the kids are gonna think that you're a feminist killjoy 0.80

00:44:16.120 when you teach women's history and in fact a student called me a feminist killjoy in class

00:44:20.140 once uh he meant it as a joke he was being he was i was talking about the middle ages and he was

00:44:25.200 like man you really i really like the middle ages like i love going to ren fairs you're ruining it

00:44:29.680 for me you're such a feminist killjoy and i was like i like going to ren fairs too there's nothing

00:44:33.340 wrong with that literally oh my god i love it um i am definitely gonna go check out your t-shirt 0.99

00:44:40.780 shop and if you make well the patriarchy isn't gonna fuck itself i will a thousand percent

00:44:45.880 that might become my thursday uniform guys i just saw a comment that says the shirt i want 0.99

00:44:53.240 is i'm a man but at least i wipe my ass right that's yanni hi yanni is one of our moderators 0.91

00:45:01.320 here i'm a man but i wipe my ass that is this is actually have you guys seen this is a thing 0.98

00:45:08.540 talking about like why men need feminism that this is um there's a creator i love um 0.98

00:45:16.440 professor chesco what he goes by the speech prof he's i know him more from reels but he's also on

00:45:22.720 thumbstack and he has a podcast and he's very funny he's like a millennial dude who's a professor

00:45:29.100 in la uh but he goes on these very pro-feminism rants like he's wonderful um but people send him

00:45:35.860 videos and he does you know he responds to them and there's like any time now because he did one 0.50

00:45:41.920 reel about this that there's like a you know red pill dude online talking about how gay it is to 0.98

00:45:47.220 wipe one's own ass they send it to him and so he said all of you and he pronounced what he talks 0.99

00:45:52.120 about he pronounces it wipe instead of just wipe why do you not wipe and he's horrified so um this 0.99

00:46:00.620 is actually a thing this is how far it's devolved wait guys are you being serious like is that

00:46:05.640 that's not a satire like no it's not you know it is not men you need feminism because if not

00:46:13.900 you're gonna end up with like infections wait men are like men are so tough that they cannot even

00:46:20.400 imagine being hygienic down there like they're too masculine for that because touching it

00:46:25.300 themselves might make them gay like that's legitimately i've heard this discussion 0.86

00:46:29.380 hell oh my god they're like i'm so scared anything it is not it might awaken something in me and i 0.88

00:46:37.720 can't it's their and their girlfriends are just supposed to do their laundry and have you seen

00:46:44.660 have you seen this one video i saw it so many times across a lot of platforms but i saw it

00:46:49.520 first on instagram and it basically what it was is that an interviewer like on the street is like

00:46:54.460 do you think this man is gay and it's just like a like a photo of a man that he took just minutes

00:46:59.140 ago and he's like oh my god yeah definitely he's gay and then the next man they take a picture of

00:47:03.420 him it's like yep he's gay and all of these men they ask him are you gay first they're like no

00:47:08.700 i'm straight and then they take a picture and they showed someone else and they're like yep that guy

00:47:11.900 is gay so that's a lot i don't know what it says but it says a lot why are men oh my gosh um oh my

00:47:23.120 guys we're running low on time and i really want to talk about um this essay of yours professor

00:47:28.780 meredith where did it go did i hope i think i opened something else over it hang on that is

00:47:35.060 just so me to do this do you have the link pulled up while i go search for it i do have it yeah i'll

00:47:43.080 put it in the thank you i'm i'm very professional here you guys do not attempt this at home

00:47:50.080 it is this but it's it's wonderful hold on

00:47:56.440 there it is when anti-feminism learns therapy words this this story was a word nerd's dream

00:48:06.820 me being the word nerd here I did not read the original story by Hannah Spires I wouldn't

00:48:15.020 recommend it I did yeah I don't feel like I need to because I got queasy just hearing some of her

00:48:20.280 theories the psychological cost of female empowerment is the title of the story the

00:48:25.920 essay that you are taking down brilliantly in this essay it's thesis length but yeah it was fun to

00:48:32.880 write oh hey guys we crashed the chat that's like it's a good song yeah that's good that means

00:48:39.920 people are commenting and liking a lot so um there is the link and as someone earlier referenced

00:48:50.340 words matter right and here is this essay that's saying wow feminists women went and learned

00:48:57.860 these therapy words like patriarchy and emotional labor and now they're unhappier because they're

00:49:04.900 aware of how unhappy they are and they have a language to express it and so the solution is

00:49:12.380 we shouldn't have taught them therapy language right they wouldn't be what makes me what it

00:49:17.780 made me think of when i first read the article was that whole thing back during covid uh when

00:49:22.640 trump was like if we just stopped testing for it the covid numbers wouldn't be so bad and it's just

00:49:27.460 like if we just didn't let them talk about it they didn't give we didn't give the women words

00:49:31.960 to express themselves then they wouldn't be unhappy like they would just they would just 0.98

00:49:38.060 stop being unhappy that's how that heart how that works right uh being ignorant and unaware of your

00:49:43.040 oppression will make us all happy guys yeah i um it this just so it actually reminds me

00:49:50.820 psychobabble so this was in this um sub stack yeah and unfortunately this woman on sub stack

00:49:56.700 is a is a i don't know if she's currently practicing or has a current practice because

00:50:01.680 she's practices in switzerland and switzerland you can't like access their records if they're an

00:50:07.080 active if they're actively a psychiatrist or not anymore but she has a degree uh and has been a

00:50:13.720 psychiatrist and now works for like now writes pieces of op-eds for like evie magazine so she's 1.00

00:50:20.500 you know a very big anti-feminist uh everything she writes everything on her sub stack is about 1.00

00:50:26.160 how feminism is horrible and destroying society and women are just sad because everything is is 1.00

00:50:32.380 terrible uh do we think she's a right-wing plant because they do get paid pretty well 0.96

00:50:37.660 she probably is yeah i wouldn't i just wanted to say that what she's arguing reminds me of this 1.00

00:50:43.740 one quote from andrea dworkin she's i love her so much she's a great feminist um writer but she 0.66

00:50:49.360 said that along the lines of women would rather be ignorant of their own oppression they would

00:50:54.920 rather not know about the patriarchy because it is painful to be aware of how misogyny permeates

00:51:00.880 relationships um you know everything in life it permeates everything and it's painful to be aware 1.00

00:51:07.360 of that and that's why i think anti-feminists are so loud because they just want to like talk 0.98

00:51:12.500 they just don't want to even acknowledge because it is painful to be aware of it yeah and i think 1.00

00:51:18.220 a lot of it has to do also with the fact that if if they feel happy in their relationship right

00:51:23.460 they don't have to unpack anything that's going on outside of them if and if they if they phrase

00:51:29.940 it as if you're unhappy in your relationship or you're unhappy with your situation in life that's

00:51:35.280 a personal problem it's just individual yes it's your personal responsibility you chose a bad

00:51:40.680 husband you you know you failed uh at raising your children you did this it it pushes that all

00:51:48.440 off onto an individual woman and says i'm happy because i did it the right way not because you 0.99

00:51:54.080 got lucky or because you're just blissfully ignorant uh that you get to pretend that there 0.90

00:51:59.880 are no structural problems and you don't have to fight that anymore so you can get away with that 0.62

00:52:04.320 and that also reminds me of the quote that was very like popular during the second wave of

00:52:10.540 feminism which was the personal is political and that's how it's very important because if you are

00:52:16.160 not talking about feminism or you're not aware of it then you don't realize how the things that

00:52:21.240 like how men treated you and the trauma from male supremacy and male violence then you you realize

00:52:26.980 that it might actually be this has happened to me as well i really did think all the things that

00:52:30.400 happened to me was a personal problem until i picked up a feminist text and i realized no wait 0.99

00:52:35.620 actually this is a like a structural systemic problem it's a gender thing yeah yeah and that's 1.00

00:52:42.460 why i've attached this a lot to this article and then i wrote another one uh about how they hate

00:52:47.920 when women talk and i also did a podcast episode on on gerda lerner as the kind of one of the four

00:52:53.000 forerunners of the creation of women's history studies uh and it that is the main core of it

00:52:59.260 is that when women talk about this we name the systems and we continue to talk about them it 0.95

00:53:04.400 makes it impossible for each generation to be trapped like gaslit into thinking that it's an 0.72

00:53:11.240 individual problem that they're experiencing on their own no this is this is systemic it's

00:53:17.440 affecting other women in your generation but not only that it affected your mother it affected

00:53:21.600 your grandmother it affected your great-grandmother and all the way back and this is not new uh and if 0.53

00:53:27.160 we don't know our past like women if women don't know their own history if women don't know this

00:53:31.760 language they get tricked they get and this is well and this is why i wanted to say that this is

00:53:38.980 why people who try to like talk down on gossiping or just women having conversations is that this

00:53:44.840 exactly why because they know like the patriarchy knows they're aware of the power of how powerful

00:53:50.560 we are and how much we uncover when we discuss our problems when we discuss hey my husband beats

00:53:55.940 me too and oh so those yours does too and i don't get paid enough and you don't get paid enough

00:54:00.200 either and i also do unpaid labor and so does so do you and that's why gossiping is look down

00:54:05.700 and yeah when i wrote my piece i'll post a link to it too in the chat i wrote a piece called they

00:54:11.420 hate when women talk and in it my mom thought it was the best line of the whole whole article when 1.00

00:54:15.700 i read it to her was men call it gossip because distributed feminist intelligence network sounds 1.00

00:54:20.680 harder to mock uh because it is that's what women are doing they're trying we are trying to 0.68

00:54:26.460 communicate with each other about don't don't talk to that man don't be alone don't be alone

00:54:30.560 with that with that supervisor don't don't wear that oh you know or yeah just don't don't be around

00:54:36.280 these people these people are dangerous it's not just you this is systemic they've done it to other

00:54:42.360 people they will do it again and that gossip allows it to become something as women's speech

00:54:47.960 is treated as frivolous until the lawsuit arrives and then suddenly everyone wants to know why no

00:54:51.840 one said anything we did you call their gossip the rebranding of gossip as something or not the 0.91

00:54:58.980 rebranding I see women taking back that word feminist yes taking back the word gossip and

00:55:04.320 acknowledging you think when women talk to other women that it's unimportant but it is actually

00:55:10.380 those bonds of friendship and that knowledge sharing is life-saving yes there is there is no

00:55:17.460 doubt about that and I also wanted to say that my mom says a lot of comments about what I wear

00:55:26.380 like don't wear that clothes like you're going to provoke a man and i always tell her it's just

00:55:32.120 sad because she's she lives with this sort of reality that's what she's been fed from the

00:55:36.820 beginning that this is she is completely enforcing the patriarchy without being aware of it but i

00:55:41.760 always tell to her i don't control the eye muscles of this man i don't control his movements i

00:55:47.720 literally do not affect he's the one who's consciously making these decisions he's the

00:55:53.840 that is aware of it and he continues to do so i just remind her sometimes that i am not

00:55:59.240 in control of any man um i literally do not control his movements he is an adult he can

00:56:04.920 take care of himself yeah and if he wants to attack you he'll do it when you're in sweatpants

00:56:08.760 i'm like absolutely he may look more when you're wearing something a little more eye-catching but

00:56:15.120 like your safety is that is a fallacy that we women share there's a museum um that's

00:56:23.740 dedicated to i've seen it to what women were wearing when they were when they were assaulted

00:56:29.640 and it's the most heartbreaking thing because you see things like toddler clothing and it's like

00:56:35.860 this is not you know uh and it's like this is not something that we did we didn't wear anything we

00:56:43.000 didn't entice anyone that's not what happened and to make it sound like it is is insane so yeah and

00:56:49.800 on that i want to also add that i've also seen that video and like i've seen a lot on instagram

00:56:55.500 and it's just heartbreaking because i just saw i saw one that just had nothing on it like there

00:57:00.420 was there's no clothes on there was just like an empty display it's heartbreaking

00:57:06.260 um i feel like we could talk forever i i definitely need to keep this conversation going

00:57:14.380 even as we are at the top of the hour for today and i'm realizing this is professor meredith's

00:57:19.320 first time on the Daily Whatever show for our penultimate episode before our summer break.

00:57:25.320 For those of you in the chat who may not know, ordinarily Lawrence and I are here five days a

00:57:29.420 week. Well, I'm on only on Thursdays. He's on only on Mondays, but our show runs five days a week.

00:57:35.760 We are taking a bit of a summer holiday. We will be on Fridays only starting next week

00:57:41.680 until after Labor Day to take a bit of a well-needed recharge.

00:57:47.300 always needed yes you deserve yes it is we've been at this for well over a year and it is a

00:57:52.660 very intense pace um but we always ask our guests the first time they're on the show

00:57:57.600 the same question i don't remember your answer zolfina but i know i've asked you already

00:58:03.920 and it is this is a very hard-hitting question lawrence and i are both um gen x and that is

00:58:09.940 the origin story of this podcast is that we had our publication started off being gen x focused

00:58:15.880 so that's where the question is born from but you do not need to be generous to answer it the

00:58:20.680 question is simply what is the most gen x song of all time oh god i know um yeah yeah yeah my

00:58:30.980 my my oldest sibling is 12 years older than me so very very much a gen x i grew up listening to

00:58:37.800 their selections of music perfect um iris by the goo goo dolls that's a really good pick

00:58:45.640 uh it's one of my favorites honestly but yeah it's such a it's such an iconic i feel like gen

00:58:51.820 x era song it so is and it's a younger i'm gonna bet your sibling was born in 1975 am i right uh

00:58:59.040 around then yes yeah around then uh uh the born the january after the first star wars came out

00:59:05.580 there's a whole story about that oh okay so even a little younger my point was like that's a young

00:59:10.280 gen x-er uh because the 90s were coming of age so um i love it that's a great pick jason odell

00:59:17.880 is in the chat he's um one of our dear regulars here and he maintains a spotify and a youtube list

00:59:25.760 excuse me of all the all the song picks excuse me so if you ever want to um excuse me deeply

00:59:34.180 emerge in gen x focused music the the set list is right there i wonder i wonder if you guys have

00:59:40.840 any michael jackson and that um playlist because i've been on a michael jackson um obsession like

00:59:47.300 phase ever since the biopic came out i've watched it twice and i only listened to a song and i have

00:59:53.500 him on my walls and everything like i'm obsessed with michael jackson you guys have to have that

00:59:57.600 on this playlist i feel certain i think thriller is on there jason would have to say for sure but

01:00:03.820 yes i'm certain there's some michael jackson on there um what's your favorite uh mj oh right now

01:00:11.000 it's currently it's human nature from the thriller album oh human nature is really good

01:00:15.760 i have been very into rock with you most recently i just a little from off the wall i love his album

01:00:23.480 off the wall it's so underrated like people don't play enough people do not play that one enough

01:00:27.960 it's um it's so good but the when he died that was the the lion in the bridge that um

01:00:36.140 you know that love survives so we can rock forever on

01:00:40.120 it has like just the flavor of disco because i think that one came out in like 1980 so it was

01:00:49.580 79, 80. Yeah. Right in that range as disco was there, but it was like evolving a bit away from

01:00:58.280 it, um, into what was coming next. And it just, oh, I love it. I don't, I already added this to my,

01:01:05.960 to my list of my, my, to my playlist now. So I'm going to have that for fun. I'll put that,

01:01:11.940 I'll use that when I'm writing as a writing playlist. I love it. So final words,

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01:02:15.880 this evening with karen marie sheldon our lovely uh moderator in the chat and osiana teppenhart

01:02:22.120 every month we host what we call the crone cocktail hour it is a new moon celebration

01:02:28.000 and intention setting moment it is very woo that will be at 8 p.m eastern time tonight probably

01:02:34.380 too late for the two of you i i'm a night owl and i'll just show up with my tarot cards it's fine

01:02:40.540 i don't i am um probably the least woo of the three of us but i learned so much during these and

01:02:49.340 i don't even want to get make this weird but every single intention that i set and

01:02:54.780 every bit of wisdom i get from karen with her deep astrological knowledge

01:02:58.700 it comes true every month every single month i will say on a strange note i mean people can

01:03:07.360 believe in tarot cards and not believe in tarot cards but for 2020 when i i for i do a year in

01:03:13.480 advance reading on new year's eve every year and in 2020 um march was the hermit and that was when

01:03:20.820 covid shut everything down so wow the cards did the cards did what they did yeah and this is really

01:03:27.420 weird whenever things have like repeat around me i take notice and i just i just assume it means

01:03:33.400 I'm on the right path when for whatever reason things just keep repeating I keep pulling the

01:03:38.220 hermit and then you just mentioned it and I am the least her I actually had the start of a note 0.98

01:03:44.120 written about this that I never came back to um I am the least hermit-like person I mean when I am 0.89

01:03:51.080 at home I'm talking to people I am out and about all the time I'm super extroverted but the hermit

01:03:56.860 keeps coming up and it's because I'm just in this it's that um the light only shines one step ahead

01:04:02.400 of you you don't know the full path yet um that is very much where I feel like um I am growing

01:04:08.860 creatively where I'm like I have a plan but like it's unfolding one step at a time uh the hermit

01:04:14.160 and the star and the moon those are the ones that are following me right now and they are

01:04:18.760 in all areas of my life um really spot on and they keep coming back so I I feel like it is a 0.89

01:04:26.480 beautiful nod that you just said the hermit because yeah yes oh yeah and I did get it I did

01:04:31.420 get a very painful tower as karen's mentioning the uh you know it's a terrible the covid was

01:04:37.380 terrible but i got my entire first my entire first uh thesis written in a year so i did my

01:04:43.620 first master's in a year so you went some not too mad about that yeah so please join us tonight if

01:04:50.060 you can for crone cocktail hour you do not need to bring a cocktail um i i this week i think i'm

01:04:56.520 actually if i have time to stop i'm gonna go make myself a proper cocktail maybe i want an

01:05:00.860 Aperol Spritz it's really I don't know if you can see all the light coming in on me from outside but

01:05:05.240 it's like a beautiful day here in Seattle and um yeah that's that's where I'm gonna be this evening

01:05:11.860 so definitely want to have you all back um thank you to everyone here in the chat um hey I was 1.00

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01:05:29.200 some from youtube so yep we've got a few people on youtube i haven't checked facebook but

01:05:34.600 i probably have like maybe one person uh ever no one likes meta but it's easy to link it up so

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Bitchy History - June 11, 2026

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