00:02:37.960That was the natural state of affairs.
00:02:39.740And over the last year or so, that's kind of changed. So I'm sure many of your listeners and
00:02:46.780viewers know about Diagalon. But you know, this is a collection of streamers that popped up many
00:02:52.560years ago. And they would look at news of the day and give, you know, racist and anti-Semitic
00:02:58.600reactions to it. And when they were doing this, they built they built an audience and some of
00:03:03.660streams will have views in the tens of thousands they weren't content just to do that they started
00:03:11.500up a more militant branch they called second sons canada now that's doing training led by
00:03:17.980veterans of the canadian armed forces and second sons canada is part of the broader active club
00:03:22.940network which are these more militant groups of white nationalists and sometimes neo-nazis
00:03:28.620who get together to train, do fitness, but also to do mixed martial arts.
00:03:34.220And more recently, there's been another organization that's popped up that's federally
00:03:38.880incorporated called the Dominion Society of Canada. And now they're like the political wing.
00:03:44.040So if Diagalon is content creators, propaganda, Second Son Canada is the militant wing,
00:03:50.320and the Dominion Society of Canada is the political wing, and they lay out their agenda
00:03:54.200quite clearly that they want to criticize and control the Conservative Party of Canada
00:03:58.620so that their people, and this is them saying it, not me making a wild allegation, they're saying it
00:04:04.020so that their people on the inside of the Conservative Party of Canada can use the space
00:04:09.580that they create. They really want them to adopt a more racist immigration platform as like the
00:04:16.280main platform, the Conservative Party of Canada. So the white nationalist movement in Canada,
00:04:20.500larger than it's, larger than it's ever been, has a militant wing with chapters across the
00:04:26.540country, and has a specific political agenda. So this white nationalist movement, you know,
00:04:32.420this is sort of, if that's not all of the far right, you know, there's still the convoy types
00:04:37.320who are, you know, waiting to be engaged, some of them are doing like political workshops,
00:04:41.740and targeting local races, like trying to become like school board trustees, and city councillors.
00:04:47.740So there's still the broader far-right movement that's going on. But the big change is the
00:04:52.620unification of the white nationalist movement. Wow. Yeah, it's startling. You know, last time
00:04:59.780I had you on, we were talking about all of this. And it's fascinating to see how even in the months
00:05:06.760since your last appearance on Bubble Pop, there's been even more of a shift. And one of those is
00:05:13.080what you mentioned about the growing offline organization, specifically with respect to these
00:05:20.100active clubs. So we're going to touch on the Dominion Society and the remigration sort of
00:05:26.680political arm and the audio that proves what you were just saying. But before we do that,
00:05:34.120can you tell our listeners about this more militant arm? Like, what is an active club?
00:05:39.840Right. So an active club is, you can think of like different variations of white nationalism. It's how the white nationalists talk about this themselves. They'll say like white nationalism 1.0 was what you think about when you think of like your daddies or your granddaddies, like skinhead Nazis, right? Boneheads.
00:06:01.580uh white nationalism 2.0 was the alt-right movement so it was these extremely online
00:06:08.760uh young men uh who would create memes really uh galvanized around gamergate and the uh the
00:06:15.820presidency of donald trump and it sort of culminated in um charlottesville many of
00:06:23.420the figures that are now associated with the alt-right have uh they've certainly already
00:06:28.440sort of had their day in the sun and they're on the wane, right? Like a lot of these, the more
00:06:31.840prominent figures like Richard Spencer and stuff aren't popular or really that influential anymore.
00:06:37.760And also seen as very cringe, you know, extremely online, seem like they're not serious. They don't
00:06:43.500go out in the real world and do stuff. So that's when we got to white nationalism 3.0 and the
00:06:48.300active clubs. It was a response to the alt-right. And the idea was we're going to get people
00:06:52.900offline. We're going to meet up in person and we're going to start training and preparing
00:06:58.200and and still advancing kind of the same political agenda where they want to have their their white
00:07:03.720ethnostate you know majority uh super majority white population countries and what have you
00:07:07.800um the active club model is now um pretty popular across the united states canada and europe
00:07:15.280where they are a bit more closed-knit a bit more careful about how they recruit um and they'll go
00:07:22.460into the woods and do training sometimes that training is is more militant sometimes it's more
00:07:27.160on the side of like a bunch of guys getting together to punch each other in shorts like
00:07:30.920doing mma stuff um yeah it is a little embarrassing um but the problem is of course when when it's
00:07:43.320not funny anymore what we've seen groups following the active club models who are also based off of
00:07:47.840more militant neo-nazi organizing elsewhere um that has been violent so you know there's certain
00:07:52.880a celebration and glorification of violence. And sometimes it's more than just these guys
00:07:58.980punching each other in shorts. Right. Right. And we saw an example of, you know, one of these
00:08:06.160active clubs doing sort of a public demonstration, you know, Diaglon, who, you know, I think we both
00:08:13.360remember, as you already mentioned, when they were just claiming to be comedians and live streamers.
00:08:19.120But they gathered in, and I'll pull up an article for anyone watching on video to take a peek at here. They gathered in the Niagara area to do this sort of offline, or sorry, yeah, offline display of force and numbers where they just yelled a bunch of stuff and did these sort of pseudo military drills.
00:08:46.280Like, what has changed within Diagalon to go from this sort of online live streamer, you know, pretending to just be comedians and telling you it's a meme whenever you suggested something more serious to them taking it clearly much more seriously and trying to do these intimidating gatherings in public?
00:09:08.680so the whole we're just comedians it's just a meme thing uh in my opinion that was never
00:09:15.420really true right um when you watch the streams um i don't know what kind of humor appeals to
00:09:22.680different kind of people but uh i take jeremy mckenzie at face value uh when he says you know
00:09:30.480horrifically racist things and anti-semitic things i take him at face value when he does
00:09:35.840those things. Or when he yells gun or rope when he is talking about his perceived political enemies,
00:09:40.840right? There is not a world in which presenting yourself like that to this audience is a joke.
00:09:49.340In terms of like, when did they get expressly political? Hard to say. We know during their
00:09:54.960tour across the country, I believe there was like a leaked audio clip or something of one of their
00:10:01.120meetings where i think it was derek who's another one of their live streamers uh was thank you for
00:10:08.560popping that up but was talking about how you know it started as a joke but now it's not a joke
00:10:12.640because they realize that um they're being discussed politically by political people um
00:10:21.040so at what point they they decided that's what they want to do i i don't know um if i do want
00:10:26.480want to speculate though as to why they're becoming more emboldened um jeremy was facing a slew of
00:10:33.160charges uh of which i think almost all or all of them were um were dropped or dismissed or or what
00:10:40.180have you i'm not gonna get the legal language exactly right while we're live but all of the
00:10:43.840charges um to the best of my recollection have gone away and i saw jeremy after that period of
00:10:51.080time i think that that was emboldening i think after years of realizing that they're not facing
00:10:55.780very significant opposition, but also that they're not facing sort of any legal consequences
00:11:06.260and the government isn't paying them the attention that perhaps it should.
00:11:13.220I think that they've become emboldened because of the lack of resistance, but I also think that
00:11:17.920they're getting overconfident for a number of reasons and that their belief that there will
00:11:22.420be no consequences, will be tested. Interesting. So that's sort of the more militant side of
00:11:31.640things, right? But as you mentioned, there's also this sort of growing political side. And I have
00:11:38.540to say this has really struck me. And I know that you guys have been preoccupied with this at the
00:11:43.420Canadian Anti-Hate Network. You published a really great piece recently on this question, which is
00:11:49.040the language of re-migration being used to sort of normalize some of this far-right rhetoric in the
00:11:57.360mainstream. It actually seems to be, unfortunately, working in some countries like in the U.S.
00:12:06.100and in Europe as well. Why do you think that is? Why is this such an effective tactic?
00:12:13.880it like re-migration the concept is nothing new um the word may be newer but the concept's nothing
00:12:20.700new um and i think we delve before we delve like exactly what re-migration is well actually i think
00:12:26.700we have to right so re-migration being the idea that that um stopping immigration isn't enough
00:12:33.160um that in order to you know preserve a culture or identity of a country you need to send people
00:12:39.060back um my people who've migrated their back to wherever they are right in order to create the0.61
00:12:44.840country that you want and i'm using very gentle language about it but like what we're talking
00:12:48.840about is people who want countries like canada to be white and european a bunch of things we could
00:12:55.420talk about there very little are they thinking about uh indigenous folks who were here for
00:12:59.640generations previously and previously and previously and previously they literally say
00:13:03.160on their website yeah they literally say on their website that they want to establish a sort of um
00:13:08.820national identity uh predicated around being a uh like a bi-culture i think they said or
00:13:15.860uh of english and french people and um yeah a christian nation like it's it's it's very
00:13:21.940interesting it should be like 97 like white heritage canadian or something like that
00:13:28.340um yeah so is that the dominion society or is that the movement more broadly i believe
00:13:34.180i believe again because we're live it's very hard for me to check my notes yeah well maybe
00:13:38.020just to be safe. I believe actually it's a recent Jeremy stream where he was saying his ideal
00:13:42.180thing was like 97%. Okay. And just to give the listeners a little more context, because I was
00:13:48.440sort of diving in deep before we went over the definition. You know, I've got some screenshots
00:13:55.460here from the actual Dominion Society, which is the organization pushing the re-migration movement0.86
00:14:02.600in Canada. This is from their website, saying that the phase two of their plan is to remove the
00:14:08.700illegitimate population, which they describe as achieving through the revocation of permanent
00:14:15.520residency, as well as mass deportations, which includes, you know, a removal operation is how
00:14:22.580they word it, targeting all temporary foreign workers, permanent residents, illegal migrants,
00:14:27.580holders of expiring temporary visas as well. And then the third phase of this second phase
00:14:34.860is a voluntary repatriation program is what they call it, which is where they want to establish a
00:14:42.160federal program for citizens to renounce their Canadian citizenship and return to their country
00:14:48.040of origin. They want to incentivize this and they claim it will be promoted as a quote,
00:14:53.420peaceful non-punitive option for individuals with weak ties to Canada or enduring identification
00:14:59.580with their country of origin so yeah I mean Evan is that sort of textbook um re-migration there
00:15:08.860as we're seeing around the world so I mean Greg Wycliffe who's one of the um uh the leaders one
00:15:14.560of the co-founders of the um Dominion Society of Canada I believe according to their their
00:15:19.140incorporation paperwork um he has sort of said like racism is good and racism works because
00:15:25.060in certain times and places people who advocate for immigration are talking about making conditions
00:15:29.460for people who are not white and european um bad like like like discriminating against them
00:15:35.060so that they want to leave and none of this is new right uh like a very brief and simple history
00:15:41.380lesson um you know when before we got to the holocaust um nazi germany tried its best to get
00:15:48.180rid of their jewish population by other ways right um so eichmann who would later become known as the
00:15:54.420as the um i believe he was learned he was become known as the architect of the holocaust
00:15:59.860he first created this office where previously in the german administration in nazi germany they
00:16:07.220had all these different um offices that would have to process like the uh the emigration of
00:16:14.820of a Jewish person. And they brought them all together so that a Jewish person could start at
00:16:20.340like one side of the office and all the paperwork be done and then leave. And of course, during all0.83
00:16:27.000of this, they were dispossessing Jews of their property and taking everything that they had,0.65
00:16:31.220and in fact had to pay to leave. That's my understanding of it as well. But Eichmann
00:16:35.680will also go around and threaten and harass the Jewish community, sometimes freezing their bank
00:16:39.580accounts, unfreezing their bank accounts, setting quotas on them and saying, oh, things are going
00:16:44.140be really especially really bad for you if you're not convincing your own uh members of the jewish
00:16:49.420community to leave um so that's when when we're talking about re-migration the what then question
00:16:56.940and the dominion society touched on some of it right okay so you're ending you know the you're
00:17:03.500you're cutting off immigration and that's not enough for you because you know your goal is to
00:17:07.260create this um super majority of white european people so that's not enough so what then right so0.76
00:17:13.100They're talking about finding ways to take away people's citizenship.0.94
00:17:18.000If that's not enough for you, what then?
00:17:20.160If that's not enough for you, what then?
00:17:21.840And like, how quickly are we getting into forced mass deportations?
00:17:26.220And how do we make forced mass deportations happen when people live in communities?0.76
00:17:30.460You have to round them up, put them in concentration camps in order to force mass deport them.
00:18:06.820That's my big existential gripe with these kind of white nationalists is why do they fatalistically think that multiculturalism can't work when, like, it's them who are the barrier to shit like this working?0.97
00:18:21.280You know, if we actually pulled together and found ways to live in a multicultural society, which, you know, is a bit of an experiment and we are figuring it out, but it is a wonderful experiment to be in.0.98
00:18:34.760it's a wonderful place to be in. And I think we could all be working towards it. I don't believe
00:18:39.600in their fatalism, that, you know, multiculturalism is a bad thing and should be ended.
00:18:45.140Yeah, yeah, of course. I mean, it's, it's a ridiculous notion that's rooted in them seeming0.94
00:18:52.000to require the sense of identity they get by virtue of the privilege granted to them because0.96
00:18:57.500of the skin that they were born in, in a society that is, in so many ways, racist. So it's just,
00:19:03.960it's very sad to define yourself so entirely by something that you didn't earn and use it to
00:19:12.100discriminate against others. So I feel like that was a pretty great overview of this concept. Now
00:19:20.560the actual Dominion Society, I did want to ask you about what its sort of ties are because it's
00:19:29.460doing this more political thing where it's claiming to have its members are claiming to
00:19:35.260have access to politicians, but it's also reposting like the founder is reposting guys like Alex
00:19:43.020Friend from Diagalon and telling people to follow, you know, the accounts that he creates
00:19:49.240in between suspensions and giving that individual the number 88 for his membership. And for those
00:19:56.780of you who don't know that in extreme right-wing and white nationalist circles is a dog whistle
00:20:02.860for HH, for Heil Hitler, because H is the eighth letter of the alphabet. So 8-8. Yeah. So
00:20:11.940are these guys doing a good job of pretending to be politically palatable? And could it succeed
00:20:22.000regardless of that? I think they're going too fast, too far. I think it's going to bite them
00:20:27.660in the ass. So when it comes to Daniel Tyree and the Dominion Society, they're also openly1.00
00:20:37.160retweeting or saying thank you or whatever to people who have just obviously Nazi handles on
00:20:41.540social media. Yes. They have also explicitly said that they will not counter signal. And for those0.57
00:20:48.740you might not know what that word means it basically means like denounce um say anything
00:20:52.900bad about so they they've also said in in their um in one of their spaces i believe one of their
00:20:59.940spaces chats they said they wouldn't counter signal anybody who was um who was you know making
00:21:05.340neo-nazi expressions right they've made it clear where they sort of stand on that and where they
00:21:10.300stand in the ecosystem they believe they need to be a political face but they really want to push
00:21:14.160things as far as they can to continue to push the Overton window, the idea of what's acceptable
00:21:19.180in mainstream discourse. And in terms of the relationship with Diaglon and Second Sons Canada,
00:21:25.860so I believe it was recently Jeremy and Vren say they are now pulling salaries from Second Sons
00:21:31.220Canada, which is interesting because I'm not sure how they're incorporated. We'll find out.
00:21:36.280But they've talked about how Daniel Tyree and the Main Society of Canada is now going to kind of
00:21:43.180take over their political operations as the white nationalist network. So when you're asking about
00:21:50.240like, what is the linkage? These are three arms of the same organization as far as we're concerned.
00:21:56.560So funny, Canada's telecoms companies are, you know, three major companies in a trench coat
00:22:03.580and our grocery stores and even our white nationalist groups. It's like, come on guys.
00:22:08.380It's like the Walmart. Yeah, Diaklon has become the Walmart and white national. They've sort of0.84
00:22:11.640bullied anybody else out of the space or sort of taken it over even the active club networks which
00:22:16.600predate second sons by a little bit um they're all cozy with um yeah that there's one large
00:25:52.360So, yeah, that's the context of like, who's one of the guys who's talking in the clip. So it's that guy. And then it's Daniel Tyree, who's the founder of the Dominion Society of Canada.
00:26:02.600Yeah, so we'll play the first clip and maybe quickly chat about it, and then I'll play the Daniel Tyree clip. But yeah, so here is the Othman on X speaking about, well, bragging about his sort of agenda and, you know, his success in trying to share that agenda politically.
00:26:28.300I've seen a little bit of disappointing things from the Politico side because I know that some
00:26:33.420of these guys are playing rhetorical obfuscation. A lot of them agree with us. For example,
00:26:42.060this morning I spoke to a really senior advisor to Pierre Poiliev, and he said that it took him
00:26:49.220all hell's work to convince Pierre to finally take up anti-immigration status, and that's
00:26:55.460happening you'll notice that cpc that the cpc caucus members of parliament today have begun
00:27:01.660posting i think even yesterday i began posting anti-immigration rhetoric because they've finally
00:27:06.660gotten permission to um in particular there was michelle michelle garnier i think her name is and
00:27:12.300aaron gunn from bc and michelle is i believe an alberta mp so there is legitimate hope for political
00:27:20.760solutions so michelle remble garner is apparently french now that's i know that's not the point of
00:27:28.600the clip but that really got me you know for a guy pretending to know all this stuff about the party
00:27:33.400um doesn't even know she's very much not french but uh
00:27:37.640yeah what what did you think when you first heard him making those claims
00:27:41.400it's tough you know because we have to do this work we're genuinely a non-partisan organization
00:27:52.020to be clear what that means is that you know we do not support or work for or take direction from
00:27:57.680any particular uh political party um so the question that poses is i would like to have
00:28:04.320conversations in good faith with conservatives who do not agree uh with offman and mr tyree
00:28:12.020And I think that there may be space to do so, but you can clearly see how, you know, if what he is saying is true, how the Conservative Party has a bit of a problem.
00:28:20.220In the more of the spaces clip later, I don't know if we'll get to it or not, but he specifically calls out some people by name who do not agree with him in the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:28:31.680So I do just want to be clear on this as well, that like he's not this is not representing all conservatives, but it's concerning that he feels that he has an end to the to the closest halls of power there.
00:28:42.100Yeah, absolutely. So speaking of which, this next clip is the founder of the Dominion Society,
00:28:51.280Daniel Tyree, sort of making similar claims and discussing tactics. He seems to disagree
00:28:58.740slightly with Othman about the kinds of tactics they should be using, but largely they are sharing
00:29:04.540the same goals from the sounds of it. It's a bit of a longer clip. It's about two minutes.
00:29:12.100Yeah, exactly. Like, I come from a similar background. I've done this whole song and dance. And I agree, there's definitely our guys on the inside that are obfuscating their message. But like, we're so far beyond that. Like the situation in Canada is fucked. It's not, we're, we're not going to win by just like being silent and being like, Oh, leave this up to our guys on the inside.
00:29:37.180those those guys often get you know they they start getting worried about losing their job if
00:29:44.720they speak out they they have their own interests and they end up getting shuffled into comfortable
00:29:50.160positions and accomplishing absolutely nothing even though they might have based conversations
00:29:55.080with you behind the scenes like that's not enough anymore and that's also not what we're doing
00:30:00.020we're straddling the divide between this quote unquote poster class and this quote unquote
00:30:06.460professional class to move our more radical more correct position into the mainstream and put
00:30:13.900direct pressure on these guys i am happy i agree i definitely agree pauliev is speaking out against
00:30:20.540immigration finally he's still not doing so very effectively he's still getting distracted by all
00:30:26.620sorts of other issues and we're going to criticize him every single day until he does better and
00:30:31.580better and better and keep in mind we're not the ones that started fights with these professional
00:30:37.500class and and really i didn't get that much blowback from those guys i got blowback from
00:30:42.140robin skies who's not working in politics anymore i got blowback from brian burghette who's a failed
00:30:48.540candidate for the conservative party of british columbia i got pushed back by uh alex brown he's
00:30:54.380He's probably the closest we could throw into this professional politico class.
00:31:01.740If there are our guys on the inside, and I know there are, I talk to them.
00:31:06.480They're not the ones out here counter signaling me because they realize that I'm pushing things in the right direction.
00:31:12.480The guys on this call are pushing things in the right direction.
00:31:15.300So we don't win by fighting with each other.
00:31:17.220We win by them ignoring us and letting us push the Overton window while they take advantage of the space we create.
00:31:27.860So there you have it. I mean, first thoughts on that?
00:31:32.340I mean, it's really helpful that they lay it out.
00:31:37.200It's like one of those two villains that does the monologue right before they attack the good guy and they detail their whole dastardly plan.
00:31:45.420And then the good guy's like, okay, well, now I know exactly how to counter you.
00:31:50.000Makes it so much easier to report on, makes it so much easier to have conversations with
00:38:34.940that Canada and the United States are, uh, founded based on their rigid interpretations
00:38:43.020of Christian law. And these are the kind of Christians who, um, yes, they, they oppose,0.73
00:38:48.420uh, women's right to healthcare. Um, they oppose, um, uh, queer people being able to get married.
00:38:55.540Um, they don't want references to healthy, happy queer relationships, uh, in schools or anywhere
00:39:02.760else in public life. In the United States, I want to be very clear for legal purposes here. I want
00:39:08.920to be extremely clear that I'm not referring to CLC and LifeSite News here. I'm referring to
00:39:12.280Christian nationalism generally. But in the United States, Christian nationalism and nationalists go
00:39:17.020further. They don't want women to be able to vote. Several of them do not want women to be able to
00:39:22.700say no to their husbands when it comes to sex. And what I mean is marital rape. They want to0.96
00:39:27.040legalized parental rape. Um, and so Christian nationalism is not all Catholics and it's not0.93
00:39:34.780even all people who are, who are quote unquote pro-life. And I think that when, um, when LifeSite
00:39:40.720News and Campaign Life Coalition, uh, or when this MP, um, says that when we're reporting on
00:39:46.880Christian nationalism, we're actually reporting on Catholics is slandering Catholics, right? Like
00:39:51.500not all Catholics are that kind of right-wing extremist, and it's not fair to categorize them
00:39:57.280that way. And I'd go further to say, you know, when LifeSite News is describing itself as
00:40:01.280Catholic, they also advance this position, which is a belief that the Pope isn't actually the real
00:40:11.120Pope, which is a position that I understand some Catholics find heretical. So not even all
00:40:15.220Catholics would necessarily consider LifeSite News and Campaign Life Coalition to be Catholic
00:40:20.000if they if they hold that view um so that miss like that total misconception uh and how this
00:40:27.940organization describes itself um when we write something about life site news or campaign life
00:40:33.340life coalition within like 12 to 24 hours we get a media request from black locks and for those
00:40:39.760people who don't know uh black locks is this organization that reports on things going on
00:40:45.140on parliament hill um they i mean but when i was when i was a baby journalist i thought they were
00:40:52.960really cool i'm like they're really going after people they're filing all these atip requests
00:40:56.880then responding to media requests from them in my opinion it's in such bad faith right like in my
00:41:02.360opinion they are like the rebel news of reporting on parliament hill stuff um so they're the ones
00:41:08.860who recently reported that we target catholics and people who are pro-life which again as i have
00:41:13.700just described is not true. But that was repeated now by this conservative MP in an attempt to
00:41:20.920target our funding. So, you know, it's very frustrating. We've talked about this before,
00:41:26.760how, you know, there's such a double standard that we hold ourselves to versus folks who are
00:41:32.420more right, far right leaning, how, you know, the ethics that we follow, the legal vetting we do of
00:41:39.100our stories and things like that, you know, the standards we hold ourselves to are quite high.
00:41:43.700And then when you're on the receiving end of it, it wasn't just Black Locks now, it was June, I was writing a second article about us trying to tie us to Antifa and this terrorist designation.
00:41:55.060But I made it extremely clear to them, and they hadn't published it in their article, that, you know, we have never endorsed, aided, or funded terrorism, violence, or criminal activity.
00:42:05.560In fact, in our 40 Ways Guide, we explicitly say that we do not support that, and that's sort of our flagship learning material.
00:42:12.060um and any allegation that we have is a lie it is defamatory um and it's not true and it and that's
00:42:21.420that's that but you know we have to spend uh all day because of some of these um these far-right
00:42:28.900actors and it's not just the the pseudo media looks as well um but we have to spend all day
00:42:33.720just like um correcting lies yeah what does it tell you about i don't know i just i feel like
00:42:43.400it's very revealing when when something is clearly not accurate and despite clarifications
00:42:49.880that something's not accurate when individuals continue to publish or pursue attacks on your
00:42:57.560organization the canadian anti-hate network based on those bad faith attacks um what does that tell
00:43:05.000you about their motivations i know you can only speculate and you don't know for a fact but but
00:43:11.400what do you think when you face these attacks what does it tell you about your own work yeah so i'll
00:43:18.920speak generally to make it clear that i'm not specifically talking about lsn clc um juno or
00:43:25.560black logs here i'll just speak generally about um about the far eight ecosystem um
00:43:33.640they don't like being reported on by us uh you know clearly you know they see us as an obstacle
00:43:39.240to uh what they want to accomplish um and that is uh credit to our good work in my opinion
00:43:45.960and i think we have done good work you know like nearly 700 articles eight years operating
00:43:50.040shut down multiple neo-nazi groups i think we've done good work and you know it's a very similar
00:43:56.120motivation i think to why did trump designate antifa a terrorist organization well first off
00:44:00.920there's no one group that is antifa and the anti-fascist ideology doesn't have any sort of
00:44:07.160hierarchical leadership structure there's no such thing as a card-carrying member a group can
00:44:12.840consider itself an anti-fascist group and part of the anti-fascist movement you know there's no
00:44:16.840gatekeeping there. And saying that the anti-fascist movement is violent is asinine. It's like saying0.97
00:44:25.040the environmental movement is criminal because some people have shut down a pipeline somewhere
00:44:28.480else. It's like saying people who believe in democracy or consider themselves part of a
00:44:32.740pro-democracy movement are pro-violence because people have done coups in order to establish a
00:44:38.540democratic government somewhere. It's like saying that the civil rights movement was violent
00:44:46.600because of the actions of the Black Panthers alone and also getting half of your facts wrong
00:44:51.780about the Black Panthers. So, you know, you're making statements about a very large and complex
00:44:59.500social movement with, you know, multiple beliefs and groups that are part of it. So what is Trump
00:45:04.900doing when he designates Antifa, you know, an entire ideology to be like a terrorist organization
00:45:11.400um is pretty simple he's trying to scare people and use the the the weight of the u.s government
00:45:20.540to crack down on the people who resist what his uh regime is trying to do to to his critics right
00:45:27.440like it is um it is anti-democratic it is fascist uh it is simply trying to shut down dissent and
00:45:33.280clear a path uh for carrying out their ultimate goals so yes that is what the far-right movement
00:45:38.500in Canada is trying to do as well when it comes to leveraging or trying to leverage Trump's Antifa
00:45:44.140designation. They are trying to clear their opposition of their path so that they can enact
00:45:48.940their racist agenda, including of which, as we talked about, is the mass deportation
00:45:56.160of people. And here I am quoting Daniel Tyree, who are not, quote, white heritage Canadians.
00:46:00.940you know it's the hypocrisy of it always just makes me i mean i i was on rito street during
00:46:12.940the convoy hearing people yell about freedom and it is just it's kind of shocking to me i mean it's
00:46:21.160not i wish it was shocking to me um but but the hypocrisy is quite stunning to be comfortable
00:46:29.040with this while claiming to speak for freedom, being fine with these bad faith attacks on
00:46:36.200critics of your ideology while claiming to stand for freedom. It's so frustrating and belies,
00:46:46.300I think, a lot of the true natures of these sorts of ideologies, which is that they're
00:46:52.840not about freedom, like they like to say, or anything of the sort. They're actually just
00:46:58.700about consolidation of power to enact their specific, often quite unpleasant and hateful
00:47:07.880agendas. So I don't know, it's, it's pretty, pretty ridiculous. All right, Evan, I think0.96
00:47:14.040that's all the questions that I had for you today. We do take some, I can throw some super
00:47:22.780chat questions at Evan if anyone has any. Otherwise, we might have time for a few just
00:47:28.920general questions if someone wants to, if you guys have any you want to throw in the chat.
00:47:35.000Maybe while we wait for those to roll in, Evan, if people want to keep up with your work,
00:47:39.420where can they do that? Yep. So we're on Blue Sky at AntiHateCA, you know, all one word.
00:47:45.820our website, anti-hate.ca. We have a newsletter that'll keep you up to date on some of the
00:47:53.900articles that we publish. And we'd love a few more subscribers. That'd be great if you'd like
00:47:59.160to follow our work. Yeah, you guys should definitely subscribe. Okay, great. I don't
00:48:04.960think we have any questions right now. So we'll probably leave it there for today. Thank you so
00:48:11.680much again for being my guinea pig with this first live episode. I am so excited to be doing
00:48:18.600this format. It was really fun and hopefully engaging for you guys too. And as always,
00:48:24.240these episodes will be posted for you to listen to later as well. But otherwise, I will see you
00:48:31.340guys next week at 12 p.m. Eastern for our next episode. And Evan, thank you again so much for
00:48:38.260joining me on Bubble Pop. Thank you for having me. I'm going to go touch grass and have a nice
00:48:43.080weekend. I hope you do too. That sounds amazing. Thank you for listening to this week's episode
00:48:53.780of Bubble Pop. I'm Rachel Gilmore, your least favorite person's least favorite journalist.
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