Culture Club - A Chat About #ChallengeAccepted and Vogue Australia's Latest Cover

00:00:00.000 welcome to culture club my name is maggie and i'm jasmine and we're two 20-something media

00:00:17.400 slashies talking about current affairs pop culture the internet and our lives thank you

00:00:24.040 for listening to us episode two so exciting so exciting we only launched a few days ago

00:00:29.900 but we're on a roll here and I think we should also clarify what a slashy is a media slashy I

00:00:36.100 got a couple questions so how do we define this so what we think a media slashy is is someone who

00:00:44.660 wears lots of hats a jack of all trades for example I'm a journalist a feature writer a

00:00:51.020 copywriter now a podcaster a content creator sometimes I think you're more of a slashy than

00:00:57.340 i am yeah there's just it's a never-ending list hey we also you use the term multi-hyphenates

00:01:03.360 which i also like so yeah i'd say i'm like a writer content creator occasional photographer

00:01:09.660 copywriter social media coordinator just whatever you just give yourself your own name like everybody

00:01:17.120 calls themselves an entrepreneur anyway so this just adds to it yeah exactly so hopefully that

00:01:24.120 clues up for anyone who wasn't sure. So this week, we're going to be talking about a challenge we've

00:01:30.240 been seeing around the internet. But before that, I really want to acknowledge that the Wonduri, 0.99

00:01:34.980 Turrbal and Boon Wurrung people are the traditional custodians of the land on which we live, create

00:01:39.920 and work. We respect elders past, present and emerging and acknowledge that sovereignty was

00:01:45.880 never seeded. So Mags what have you been up to this week? Well thanks for asking because yesterday

00:01:55.940 it was announced that Victorians are in stage four of lockdown for another six weeks which means

00:02:03.760 you know we've got like an 8 p.m curfew we can't leave the house within a five kilometer radius

00:02:08.880 and all that jazz and to be honest I was just thinking you were so kind and like sent me a

00:02:13.940 message and was like hey how are you going and I was like that's so so nice of you to check in and

00:02:18.540 originally I was like oh physically I am not affected because I have just been staying home

00:02:23.700 and taking short walks every day sticking by the law abiding by the law but and then it hit me

00:02:30.000 afterwards it's mentally it's quite a draining and like that's how I feel just like a loud sigh

00:02:37.880 yeah definitely um it's just daunting but yeah yeah for sure I think psychologically just knowing

00:02:45.980 that there's an extra stage added on there's more restrictions a lot of the people I've been

00:02:49.820 speaking to have been really gracious about it and if they said they're saying I'm not as worse

00:02:54.960 affected um my life hasn't changed that much but it's still a really tough time to go through

00:03:03.120 you guys are all doing so well I was watching the press conference yesterday and just hearing

00:03:07.660 the state of disaster like being declared a state of just that's crazy i know a lot of our listeners

00:03:12.880 are also in melbourne so we're sending love to everyone who's like doing it tough and um we'll

00:03:19.380 add some helpline numbers into our show notes this week for anyone who needs it but just make

00:03:24.200 sure you're talking to friends trying to keep a routine as much as possible and just trying to

00:03:28.480 get through hopefully we can also provide a bit of a distraction today maybe you're on your hourly

00:03:33.480 walk or something. Oh, yes. Hello, outside world. How about you, Jazz? How about you in Brisbane?

00:03:40.620 How have you been going? Yeah, I've been really well. I also feel like I should clarify why I'm

00:03:46.560 in Brisbane because I also got a few messages last week about people were like, oh, you live in

00:03:51.960 Brisbane. And I'm like, incidentally, I live in Brisbane. So I was in Melbourne for the first

00:03:57.560 lockdown. And then the middle of June, I thought that lockdown was coming to an end. So I was like,

00:04:03.840 I'm going to go visit my parents. I was meant to visit in March, but that got cancelled. So I

00:04:08.220 thought I'll go to the Sunshine State, get some warmth, escape Melbourne winter. I'll be up for

00:04:13.660 like a month, six weeks max. And within five days of me being here was when they said every Victorian

00:04:19.920 has to quarantine for two weeks in a hotel. And then a couple of days after that was when all

00:04:25.060 Victorians were banned. So now I've moved to Brisbane, basically, which I'm really grateful.

00:04:31.480 I'm grateful to be here because obviously it's a lot safer. I'm with my family. I'm warm. That's

00:04:37.400 the story as well. I don't normally live in Brisbane, but I'm just up here. I haven't been

00:04:43.780 doing that much this week. I feel like that releasing the podcast took up a lot of time

00:04:48.460 um in a good way my screen time went up 25 this week because I was reading everyone's messages

00:04:55.500 and thank you so much to everyone for all of your support and kind words like I know we've said it

00:05:00.140 a few times now on Instagram but we're literally blown away by how kind everyone has been so thank

00:05:05.600 you so much for all the messages every time we get a new message I feel like Jazz and I just like

00:05:10.520 send it to each other screenshot and be like look what we got said it honestly blows our minds so

00:05:15.760 we're so appreciative of every single person who's, you know, dropped us a line or a follow

00:05:21.180 or something. One thing I did notice spending a lot of time on the internet last week was obviously

00:05:28.100 challenge accepted. When was the first time that you heard about this trend? Honestly,

00:05:37.460 I got a couple of the nominations in my inbox and I feel like I've seen them before in the past.

00:05:44.020 like you know we've had a push-up trend I just send a nice thank you for thinking of me I'm not

00:05:49.240 gonna do that because I do not do push-ups um and this was similar and I was quite how do I say

00:05:54.620 when I received the messages I was really thankful that someone was thinking about me but I was like

00:06:00.040 oh not one of these things again and I didn't really pay it too much attention honestly in

00:06:06.180 terms of who I follow I didn't see an overwhelming flight of black and white selfies on my feed

00:06:10.600 did you no I didn't really um I got tagged in it by my auntie and she's not normally one to

00:06:18.200 buy into I guess into these trends so I actually did post something on my story I posted a picture

00:06:24.960 of myself and three friends in a group photo in black and white but I didn't tag anything like

00:06:29.760 I just tagged my aunt who um had tagged me and the three friends who were in the picture but I

00:06:34.560 wasn't kind of like passing it on because it definitely did become a bit of a chain mail

00:06:39.360 experience kind of like back in the day when you'd have email chain letters in like primary

00:06:44.900 school or something the premise of challenge accepted was originally at least the way it

00:06:49.840 became popular with celebrities and women posting black and white selfies and hashtagging challenge

00:06:55.400 accepted and hashtag women supporting women's or girls supporting girls it also usually consisted

00:07:01.180 of a caption relating to feminism or expressing awe of women or friendship that's kind of what

00:07:06.720 I saw as well um there were heaps of celebrities that took part I don't follow many so I did a 0.86

00:07:12.320 google celebrities like Jennifer Aniston Christina Aguilera Vanessa Hudgens okay you're gonna kill

00:07:18.940 me Florence Pugh how do you say it Florence Pugh I think you I've only damn it I knew it

00:07:27.780 she's my favorite yeah I'm pretty sure you're right anyway yeah and so I actually saw I saw

00:07:36.040 like maybe two things about women supporting women didn't think much of it but then I followed

00:07:40.740 a lot of activists and like quite I guess progressive accounts and that's when I found

00:07:46.120 out that apparently it started in Turkey due to the femicide bounce against women and it kind of

00:07:55.220 felt like the internet was really divided by it so I was like oh that's that's interesting I learned

00:07:59.900 more about what was going on in Turkey I don't know about you but before the last few days I

00:08:05.100 actually hadn't heard of this. So we thought we'd just, you know, explain a little bit more about

00:08:09.220 what's going on. So The Guardian has reported that at least 474 women were killed in Turkey last year

00:08:16.640 and femicide, violence against women and the so-called honour killings are deeply rooted

00:08:22.560 issues in Turkey. The issue came to a head last week when the country was rocked by the brutal

00:08:28.820 killing of Pinar Gultikin, a 27-year-old student who was allegedly killed by an ex-boyfriend.

00:08:35.100 Apparently, more than 2,900 women have been murdered by their husbands, boyfriends, relatives or others in Turkey since 2010.

00:08:43.780 Another thing that users on Instagram were drawing attention to is that Turkey might be considering its withdrawal from the Istanbul Convention.

00:08:52.000 So the original name of this is the Council of Europe Convention on Preventing and Combating Violence Against Women and Domestic Violence.

00:09:00.280 This convention seeks to protect women from all forms of violence and eliminate gender-based

00:09:05.240 discrimination. So the fact that, you know, Turkish is considering pulling out of it is

00:09:10.120 really frightening for a lot of Turkish women who have said that online.

00:09:15.960 According to The Guardian, at least 474 women were killed in Turkey last year,

00:09:21.700 and that report is the highest rate in a decade. So it's very worrying. Even if

00:09:28.360 the challenge accepted didn't originate from this issue it's amazing that um it has raised awareness

00:09:35.600 i feel like maybe i'm not reading widely enough but i did not hear about what turkish women are

00:09:41.920 facing until last week until this instagram challenge so yeah whatever the reason that

00:09:48.720 the challenge went viral it's kind of become a good thing in that more people around the world

00:09:54.700 are learning more yeah I would also add to that though like I'm getting my information from

00:10:01.840 informative carousel posts and Instagram posts more so than just black and white selfies I

00:10:08.860 understand you know that's a that's caused a chain reaction but I also want to you know not

00:10:14.440 minimize importance of good journalism and like informative and informative sources in this matter 0.99

00:10:20.860 as well yeah for sure I feel like um with Instagram accounts like shit you should care about 0.68

00:10:27.480 um that's just one off to my head but they're really good at summarizing news but then if 0.92

00:10:33.780 everyone starts just like summarizing news really quickly for their Instagram things can get lost in

00:10:40.180 translation things aren't fact-checked and that's when you have fake news running around our social

00:10:46.040 media accounts I think we should take everything we see on social media not with a grain of salt

00:10:52.460 but just taking a step back and thinking okay where is this source from where are these stats

00:10:57.120 coming from rather than just blindly re-gramming things to suit your own narrative that can be

00:11:03.440 really dangerous after the posts were made by the celebrities and I started seeing a lot of

00:11:11.080 activists posting about the femicides in Turkey a thread by this account called Beezle Boobs went

00:11:19.640 viral and that was explaining the origin of the women supporting women hashtag said the black and

00:11:28.180 white photo challenge started as a way for women to raise their voice to stand in solidarity with

00:11:33.600 the women we have lost to show that one day it could be their picture that is plastered across

00:11:38.460 news outlets with a black and white filter on top. It's quite morbid, isn't it, actually? So

00:11:44.480 something that we just thought was posting a pretty picture of yourself was trying to represent

00:11:49.880 the photos of, you know, women who have passed. Maggie and I were seeing a lot of posts about this

00:11:56.880 Turkish origin, which is really important because it was highlighting a very serious issue that

00:12:02.400 women in Turkey are facing right now. But then I came across a New York Times report by Taylor

00:12:10.240 Lorenz, who is a technology reporter, and she debunked the origins of the trend. Taylor reposted

00:12:18.980 parts of her article to her Instagram feed and story. So I'm just going to read out a little

00:12:23.640 snippet of that. So she shared the post that Jazz just read, and this is what she added to it.

00:12:29.580 This post is false. Turkish women were not the origin of this challenge. The challenge has been

00:12:35.180 around since 2016 in various forms. That is just one recent manifestation of it. Instagram and

00:12:42.120 Facebook investigated the origin of the challenge accepted hashtag in Turkey after I asked for

00:12:47.780 comment and for them to look into this. And this is what Facebook said. While we found black and

00:12:54.160 white posts relating to women's rights, it doesn't appear related to the more recent hashtag challenge

00:12:59.300 accepted resurgence. That was really interesting as well, because apparently from our and Taylor's

00:13:06.120 investigation, it has been used in various forms since 2016. So I read that it was the black and

00:13:12.880 white selfie model of challenges have been used for cancer awareness, for empowering women when

00:13:20.340 Trump was first elected in 2016. And also last week when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez made the speech

00:13:28.060 against derogatory remarks made by the Republican Senator Ted Yoho. So it got really heated on

00:13:36.580 Instagram didn't it? It was like such a whirlwind couple of days. I'd love to hear what your

00:13:45.380 thoughts of the whole thing was really. To be honest I think especially because we come from

00:13:51.820 journalistic backgrounds. I admire integrity and truth and honesty, right? I think that is crucial

00:13:59.640 to any movement and, you know, fake news or even like little white lies spread so easily on social

00:14:06.420 media. And if I was going to be partaking in a challenge or saying anything, I like doing my

00:14:13.060 research, right? So first and foremost, I feel like there's a lot of backlash in the New York

00:14:18.100 Times article, which we'll get into later about, you know, who cares what the origins are if it's

00:14:23.880 helping, which we'll talk about later. But, you know, I admire that article and I'm like, okay,

00:14:28.680 thank you. Like I wanted to know that. What about you? Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like I came

00:14:35.040 across the challenge quite late and within 12 to 24 hours of me first finding out about it was when

00:14:41.760 all of the news about the origins were coming out. When I saw the New York Times article,

00:14:47.160 It was just nice to see from like a reputed source rather than just like a random Instagrammer

00:14:53.840 about what this trend is about.

00:14:55.500 Like she's gone to Instagram and Facebook and asked the questions like, where did this

00:15:00.180 come from?

00:15:01.140 But I also do see the other side of people saying, well, if it's getting more attention,

00:15:07.380 it doesn't matter.

00:15:08.600 But at the moment we're living through a period of like fake news, Trump accusing, you know,

00:15:15.280 people were lying all the time and I feel like fact checking and media literacy doesn't come

00:15:21.800 into play that as much as it should in social media loads of young people are now getting their

00:15:27.360 news from Instagram and social media the way it got so convoluted so quickly and it felt like 0.73

00:15:33.540 everyone was yelling at everyone it did remind me a lot of the black squares for Black Lives Matter

00:15:40.100 back in June which was obviously a huge conversation and kind of plays into the

00:15:45.560 performative activism that we've seen a lot in recent months. Yeah that reminds me I got a message

00:15:52.600 from a Turkish woman that lives in Australia after I shared the New York Times article and she was

00:15:58.200 like paraphrasing obviously but she was like hey I was really disappointed to see that article

00:16:03.240 and almost like disappointed that you shared it just because you know femicides which are

00:16:09.800 gender-based hate crimes the intentional killing of women and girls in particular by a man and on

00:16:15.460 account of a gender sorry that is from instagram account let underscore women underscore live

00:16:20.900 um and yeah the the woman in my inbox was saying how you know it doesn't matter about the origins

00:16:27.780 because now look at all this coverage it's getting but interestingly enough in my dm she shared like

00:16:33.320 quite a few informative text posts like carousels on instagram explaining what's happening and what

00:16:39.740 I said to her I was like you know of course I respect your opinion and thank you for sharing

00:16:44.140 but also it's interesting that she chose to send me those informative text posts rather than you

00:16:50.660 know like a black and white selfie because if at the end of the day we're you know wanting more

00:16:55.580 awareness and information isn't that a better way of doing it sharing articles and reputable

00:17:01.600 sources not just selfies that's where my head is at yeah I agree it was such a convoluted

00:17:09.420 few days there's so much information about this too many people saying what's wrong and what's

00:17:16.300 right and like white privileged women shouldn't be posting selfies of themselves right now for

00:17:22.300 women to support other women which I agree with no no I know what you mean but I agree with that

00:17:28.580 a bit of the backlash to the hashtag women supporting women's argument was that it was

00:17:33.080 mainly led by you know very privileged rich famous white cis celebrities and you know for it to be

00:17:40.000 meaningful it wasn't very inclusive I didn't see that many transgender women or even many people 0.93

00:17:45.440 of color take on the trend as well so it did just seem kind of shallow and kind of one-dimensional 1.00

00:17:51.420 yeah that's a really good point and I feel like the time we're living in at the moment is so

00:17:57.240 political everyone is well most people are using their voices for the right reason sharing

00:18:02.360 information which is really good and it's not as simple anymore as just making a viral challenge

00:18:07.020 for the sake of it if you want to post a selfie of yourself you should just do it you don't need

00:18:11.280 to like have some sort of political agenda or charitable reason of why you're posting a picture

00:18:18.240 of yourself that is a hundred percent my mindset too obviously okay a little shout shout out to my

00:18:25.180 instagram yeah mags my whole feed is just photos of myself i've been doing that for eight years now

00:18:30.560 there was this like tinder thing going around in someone's bio and he was like you can't have more

00:18:35.620 than 200 instagram photos and there's a fundamental song saying you know she that she's low-key on the

00:18:41.840 socials or whatever right there's this i think it's like that cool girl persona that you know

00:18:46.760 women don't have to post narcissistic selfies of themselves i think there's a really misogynistic

00:18:53.100 undertone of policing women's selfies and pictures themselves like if you feel good you should post

00:18:59.420 a picture like you don't need to hashtag it with anything for so long women have struggled against 0.95

00:19:05.900 the patriarchy beauty standards gender roles the male gate like so many things that if any of my 1.00

00:19:14.740 friends post a picture of themselves I'm like gassing them up from the get-go like it's just

00:19:19.860 if you feel good you're feeling yourself just do it I think in regards to the challenge accepted

00:19:25.180 thing if you feel like you want to participate in a challenge like the black squares or challenge

00:19:31.740 accepted take a second to stand back analyze if it's something that you want to partake in

00:19:37.340 and also be aware that during this really intense time in history that there may be some backlash

00:19:42.740 but if you find that your values align with it then go for it just be educated and know like

00:19:48.520 what you're talking about and make sure that you're also doing the work outside of instagram

00:19:53.740 which takes us back to the performative activism again I love what you were saying about the

00:20:00.060 policing of female selfies as silly as that may sound I think there's so many unwritten rules when

00:20:05.960 it comes to social media so for instance I know my little sister Katie when she's at a party and

00:20:11.560 well you know back in the day when we had parties and she wants to post a photo of herself on

00:20:16.600 Instagram but it's just of herself she's like is this okay like can I post without my friends

00:20:20.940 I know when I used to change my Facebook DP I would literally sweat over I'm like well people

00:20:26.820 think this is okay am I trying too hard is this filter all right I definitely think there's ties

00:20:32.540 to that within this little challenge that we've seen yeah it's covered the challenge has covered

00:20:38.580 a lot but a lot of issues feminism violence against women performative activism at the end

00:20:45.180 of the day even the New York Times reporter said she just wanted to debunk where the origins have

00:20:51.380 come from but even she said herself that if it's raising awareness for women in Turkey who might

00:20:57.640 not have a voice right now or are literally being killed then that's amazing if we're spreading

00:21:02.860 awareness about an issue no matter the way it manifests itself that is really important.

00:21:15.180 On a lighter note, do you want to look at our weekly recommendations?

00:21:20.540 Yeah. So each week we will be sharing our recommendations of what we've been

00:21:26.340 reading, watching, listening to, consuming in general. So to start us off on our very first

00:21:34.720 recommendation segment, Maggie, what have you been consuming this week?

00:21:39.720 I'm a big podcast listener. So the first thing I want to recommend this week is an episode of

00:21:46.860 Wardrobe Crisis with Claire Press. Claire Press is a sustainable fashion advocate and journalist, 0.88

00:21:53.480 a massive inspiration of mine. And I've only recently got into a podcast. She's got a book

00:21:58.340 of the same name that has just arrived at my front door. So I'm very excited to get into that

00:22:03.100 and will definitely be sharing my thoughts later on. Anyway, the episode I want to recommend is

00:22:09.120 episode 122 and it's called Giles Dooley Beyond Fashion Photography. So to be honest I didn't

00:22:16.300 know him. The topic didn't interest me that much you know. I guess the tagline was this fashion

00:22:23.340 photographer turned war photographer or what he calls himself as an anti-war photographer and

00:22:30.100 he's also a triple amputee. He's the CEO and founder of the Legacy of War Foundation so that

00:22:37.000 looks at the victims of war after peace deals have been settled and almost when the world stops

00:22:43.460 paying attention he looks at you know those who are still left to face the consequences. That

00:22:49.280 sounds really like heavy and a lot of doom and gloom but it's really not. He is very charismatic

00:22:55.120 and he's got so many funny stories and he talks really movingly. I shed a tear surprisingly at

00:23:03.040 the end I remember I was like doing my nighttime skincare routine and I just stopped probably like

00:23:08.800 mid-toner and I just kind of it caught it just really caught me off guard and it was really

00:23:15.380 beautiful the way he was talking about like um you know a whole variety of things but I'm actually

00:23:21.520 re-listening to it again because I really enjoyed it so I'd recommend that yeah so that is one thing

00:23:28.820 i've loved how about you jess i read a book this week i read it in two sittings um it's called a

00:23:37.040 lonely girl is a dangerous thing by jesse too and i read it for the fashion journal book club

00:23:44.060 and i'm so glad i did because it's honestly the best book i've read all year

00:23:48.440 it follows the character jenna lynn who is a former violin child prodigy and she's also the 0.90

00:23:56.920 daughter of Taiwanese immigrants she's now 23 and is using men and sex to fill the void of being a

00:24:03.100 child star it explores heaps of interesting themes including power addiction loneliness and following

00:24:10.640 your dreams it's set in Sydney and New York which was really interesting she gets an internship to

00:24:16.380 the New York Philharmonica I found that I was really involved with the characters and it's

00:24:21.620 from the perspective of an Asian Australian but that wasn't the whole focal point of the book

00:24:27.560 it kind of just touches on her experience of race as an Asian Australian woman it's just a part of

00:24:34.760 her identity rather than like the whole story which I think is really important because if the books

00:24:40.980 we read by non-white people are only about their whole identity being their race and ethnicity I 0.97

00:24:47.680 think that can be really dangerous. I love that book and I would definitely recommend that for 1.00

00:24:53.060 any novel lovers. I love that so much. As an Asian Australian person, it's very rare to come

00:25:01.080 across books like that. I mean, there's definitely changes to that. I love Benjamin Law, Alice Pung.

00:25:06.680 There's a lot of, you know, established writers in this field, but that sounds so good. I want

00:25:11.540 to borrow it off you. Another thing I finished this week is a Netflix TV show series. It's called

00:25:18.300 Hollywood. I don't know. Have you heard of that? I've heard of it, but I haven't managed to watch

00:25:22.920 it yet. It came out in May this year and I really enjoyed it. So it's set in the 1940s and the show

00:25:30.700 introduces various actors, directors, agents and executives and the systemic biases they face

00:25:36.980 across race gender and sexuality that was said by the la times it features a lot of great actors

00:25:43.400 like darren chris from glee jim parsons who is sheldon from big bank theory and laura harrier

00:25:50.640 who is also a model and she's been in black clansman and spider-man homecoming the one with

00:25:57.200 um the one that looks really young oh my god what's that tom tom holland oh yeah tom holland

00:26:02.860 yeah sorry yeah that's the one and it was really fun so it's quite La La Land-esque it focuses on

00:26:11.460 old Hollywood and it's very beautiful but also doesn't shy away from exploring you know the

00:26:18.440 dark side of the industry one thing that I watched it with my boyfriend Tom and one thing he pointed

00:26:24.020 out that I could not miss anymore was that it is quite self-indulging and self-serving

00:26:31.880 about Hollywood. You know, they really talk Hollywood up and like the power of acting in

00:26:37.240 movies, which I do agree with, but it was a lot of that. But overall, I really enjoyed it. And I

00:26:43.940 think it's like a fun mini series for people to watch. How many episodes is that? I think it's

00:26:49.280 something like seven episodes, but each episode is like a movie. It goes for probably an hour

00:26:54.460 each episode, but they cover so much. So I couldn't binge it. It took me so long just because

00:27:00.100 it's quite um yeah full-on do you feel like you want to watch one episode and then just one episode

00:27:06.320 at a time and just sit with it and take in and then watch one the next night yeah yeah that's

00:27:12.180 that's about it except I think for the last couple I like we watched them all together and that was

00:27:17.480 really nice I was very emotional in the last episode I was bawling my eyes out which is a

00:27:23.260 little bit different but I think they really touch on stuff about race and sexuality really well and

00:27:28.420 really resonated with one of the characters so yeah I feel like I just missed the boat on that

00:27:33.860 one like um I remember I heard like a couple of things when it first came out a few months ago

00:27:40.000 but I think it was like when all the coronavirus stuff was kicking off so people weren't really

00:27:44.220 paying attention to it that much so yeah I really would like to give that a go one thing I want to

00:27:50.380 talk about that isn't really a recommendation but is something that I noticed this morning

00:27:54.380 is Vogue Australia's latest edition the August edition and they put Aduat Akech Bior on the

00:28:02.300 front cover who is a black model so finally they are putting some diversity on the front cover of

00:28:08.940 Vogue Australia it feels like they've been really behind lately and I think a lot of the criticism

00:28:14.480 about magazines lately was that they weren't keeping up with the times especially when it

00:28:19.260 came to diversity. So it's a small step in the right direction. One of the last Vogue Australia

00:28:25.680 covers I saw during the middle of COVID and the Black Lives Matter protests was they put the

00:28:33.300 Jagger sisters on the front cover. So the Jagger sisters, obviously daughters of Mick Jagger and

00:28:39.440 their mum is actually married to Rupert Murdoch now. And I just thought that was the most tone

00:28:46.180 in-depth thing for Vogue Australia to put two British rich white socialites on the front cover

00:28:54.220 when all of these people were creating amazing content during the Vogue challenge even if people

00:29:00.280 were saying oh well they didn't have the time to shoot a whole new photo shoot because of COVID

00:29:05.240 other Vogues around the world were being really innovative with it by making illustrations

00:29:11.100 commissioning artists to draw covers British Vogue were using the pictures of nature and I just felt

00:29:18.220 really haphazard that Vogue was like oh god we like we're in the middle of lockdown we can't

00:29:22.820 shoot anyone shoot anything let's just put these like this nepotism on the front cover and it was

00:29:29.540 just so turned out so anyway it's really great now they're a little bit late to the party but 0.99

00:29:34.920 it's great now to see that they have put a black woman on the front cover for sure I am guilty of

00:29:42.340 not reading Vogue Australia much at all it's never really appealed to me but seeing this front cover

00:29:48.240 today I was like oh this looks something this looks like something I'd pick up they've also

00:29:52.520 got Aretha Brown in the issue who is a First Nations activist and artist who is awesome she's

00:29:58.860 from Melbourne as well so I feel like they're finally very slow on the uptake like you said

00:30:04.180 but you know making changes I want to hope that it's not tokenistic and it's not just

00:30:09.320 because it's trendy at the moment but I guess we'll just have to see in the coming months

00:30:13.820 yeah we have our eyes on you Vogue yeah Vogue this tiny podcast from Melbourne

00:30:20.940 recorded in two closets and Brisbane you know we're after you Vogue but also hire me

00:30:28.300 yeah you're listening please and on that note we will say goodbye to you for another week

00:30:38.740 thanks for listening to our second episode we hope you have a great week and sending love

00:30:46.000 to everyone down in melbourne who's going through a tough time right now thank you again bye

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Culture Club - August 04, 2020

A Chat About #ChallengeAccepted and Vogue Australia's Latest Cover

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