Culture Club - Dream Jobs Don't Exist

00:00:00.000 billy eilish gives us an existential crisis with her new album da baby says homophobic

00:00:12.660 remarks on stage in the year of our lord 2021 and does a dream job even exist we're maggie

00:00:19.720 and jasmine and you're listening to culture club our weekly chat about pop culture current affairs

00:00:25.820 the internet and our lives. And we're so stoked to say that this episode of Coach Club is sponsored

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00:01:06.100 Fancy seeing you again. Oh my god, it hasn't even been four hours since our last little

00:01:13.920 eye contact moment, which is what normal people call a hangout.

00:01:18.460 and it wasn't even through a screen we actually saw each other in the flesh after even in sydney

00:01:25.080 and isolation and we've had another lockdown i think we saw each other just over a month ago

00:01:32.120 so more even actually almost two months so it's been a long time hugs are cute and oh my god we

00:01:41.120 are the same person jazz we are always matching we're like morphing into the same person it's a

00:01:48.700 bit weird i feel like we're also sharing brains like one of us says something and the other one

00:01:54.280 was thinking exactly that thought or like we both sent each other the same tiktoks and stuff

00:01:59.860 um but we also rocked up basically wearing the same outfit yes we both had red nail polish on

00:02:06.340 we both had rings on and we both had like a white long sleeve shirt on it's a very kind of like

00:02:11.780 european how else like cottagecore business gal i don't know really so much speaking of cottagecore

00:02:21.000 i downloaded the sims cottage core uh like last week i'm obsessed is it actually your own cottage

00:02:29.240 call it's called cottage living and you can have your own little farm and animals um and the

00:02:36.800 outfits are so cute they have like the um bandana like cottagecore headbands gingham dresses so

00:02:44.560 very much up my alley um if anyone's a sims fan you have to download that expansion pack

00:02:51.040 would recommend oh my god it's such a good idea i'm not up to date with all the sims

00:02:56.680 it's expansion packs but I used to have like it a lot so you know the pets the city living the

00:03:02.480 career one and it's all like super rooted in like realism and like almost too close to real life I

00:03:08.560 love how it's like oh we've got a cottage now so you can live out your fantasies of living on a

00:03:13.360 farm how is it do you have horses not horses yet cows and llamas and chickens a little chicken coop

00:03:21.380 and you can tip the cow not like flip over but you like you like spray money on it you know what

00:03:28.420 i'm doing like like when someone's rich dollar bills yeah yeah you can do that to the cow and

00:03:34.040 the cow starts dancing and then their milk is like better apparently um so you can obviously

00:03:39.100 milk the cow uh talk to the cow you make friends with the foxes and chickens it's very cute oh my

00:03:45.900 god when you said tip the cow right i didn't mean like i didn't know you meant like a barista tip

00:03:50.880 i thought you meant like in cars the movie when they can like knock over the little

00:03:55.060 sleeping cows that's hilarious um but i'm also glad that it's called cottage living not cottage

00:04:02.220 core because that was like a circa very 2020 trendy term um did you see that bank that used

00:04:09.300 chuggy in an ad in a print like like outdoor advertising ad yes it's like american digital

00:04:18.160 bank i think that was like banks are chuggy i'm like that makes you chuggy babe sorry already

00:04:25.760 using the word chuggy is chuggy dude that happened so quickly a week after that it became chuggy i

00:04:33.760 saw a thing that like the girl who invented the term chuggy now hates it just like the person who

00:04:38.560 invented gender reveals accidentally invented uh gender reveal parties also hates it it's so

00:04:44.660 interesting how like these internet things take on the life of their own do you know what that

00:04:52.200 reminded me um of i was very cringy when i was younger like everyone was but when i was like 12

00:04:58.600 or 13 i like invented a new word and i thought it was the coolest i'll tell you what it was

00:05:04.280 sozkenberger oh like a cool way to say sorry i just cringed so hard was it like 2010

00:05:11.500 yeah probably yeah um i'm experiencing that chuggy cringe now as well

00:05:17.700 one of our fave pop stars billy eilish dropped a new album this week it's titled happier than

00:05:30.380 ever it's her blonde era we've spoken about her a few times on the show for various different

00:05:36.440 reasons um what do you think of the album it's so good okay also I haven't finished listening to it

00:05:43.980 all yet um with artists I really like I really like kind of being present and listening to it all

00:05:49.920 um like one by one and not kind of multitasking so I've only listened to half of it what I've

00:05:55.460 listened to I really like but what about you I also haven't listened to the whole thing yet

00:05:59.920 I'm the same as you like it took me weeks to listen to Olivia Rodrigo's album because I

00:06:04.960 like hearing three or four songs and then I get obsessed with them and I listen to them and then

00:06:09.860 when I get bored of them I move on to the others but what I've heard I really like but I do feel 0.96

00:06:15.200 a bit bad for Billie because all over TikTok I've seen these people like shitting on her and this

00:06:22.640 new album saying that you know it's a flop era when she released NDA as a single to be fair I

00:06:29.780 was a bit like oh I don't know if I like this song but you know I wasn't going to write the

00:06:34.060 whole album off but it seems like a lot of people on tiktok did well they're making fun of her saying

00:06:39.800 she's in her flop era but what's interesting is that the critic reviews from like the guardian

00:06:45.480 etc have been really really positive saying it's a great second album but she's kind of seen the

00:06:52.960 tiktok uh videos now hasn't she yes and this breaks my heart so she posted on tiktok um a

00:07:01.160 little while ago and like it's just front camera selfie just her you know there and the text on

00:07:06.880 screen reads is it me or is billy in her flop era like why does she suck now and her caption was 1.00

00:07:14.060 literally all i see on this app eat my dust my tits are bigger than yours get it i think it's 0.99

00:07:21.340 so mean to do that to a teenager and the same people who are doing this on tiktok are the same 0.99

00:07:26.580 people who would be like free britney like britney deserves justice or like it was the 10 year

00:07:32.180 anniversary of amy winehouse passing away this week and you know like we haven't learned our

00:07:37.760 lessons that people are doing the same thing putting this like 16 year old girl on this

00:07:41.380 massive pedestal when she's younger and then she released a couple albums like becomes a legal 0.99

00:07:47.780 woman uh owns her sexuality you know she like revealed her body more as she's gotten older

00:07:54.540 and now these people the same people and they're young as well they're like teenagers like

00:07:58.660 20s um are tearing her down I just think it's so mean like why why you can have an opinion on music

00:08:06.840 but to make viral videos or like videos in general like have those I don't know maybe I sound really

00:08:14.100 old here but like have those conversations with your friends or like I don't know I was again I

00:08:19.200 sound so like like a mom but I was always taught if you don't have something nice to say don't say

00:08:24.420 anything at all and just because she's a celebrity doesn't make her untouchable and we can see that

00:08:30.600 by the fact that she's reacting to those videos yes I love your passion I can feel you seething

00:08:38.140 through the screen and it's right I think even when I was a teenager you know people take I don't 0.95

00:08:43.800 know they think it's cool to like shit on cool like popular things and I feel like they think 0.93

00:08:50.200 out there just like kind of holier than thou by being like yeah Billie was like so much better 0.97

00:08:54.920 when she was underground or whatever and this makes me nervous because you know the internet

00:09:00.380 loved Billie slash loves oh my god I hate that I said that in part past tense but it makes me

00:09:06.500 think of let's say Olivia Rodrigo right now what if when she releases her next album everyone just

00:09:12.240 suddenly turns on her you know I think we and the internet can be so finicky with who we love in a

00:09:18.420 current moment and it's just like so unhealthy and i do feel sorry for people on the receiving

00:09:23.400 end of this yeah even if they're like mega rich and whatever um i also do think it happens a lot

00:09:30.080 more to female pop stars than it does to men so that's a whole nother conversation um but just

00:09:38.880 like the pressure on such a young person i would not be able to handle that so good on her and like

00:09:46.000 she's kind of addressing it as well she's not like even in that tiktok she posted and actually

00:09:51.000 in the songs that she's released in this album she hasn't shied away from talking about this

00:09:56.120 criticism and comparison culture so for instance the first song on the album we love it's called

00:10:01.560 getting older um we'll play the chorus hopefully we're not copyrighted i think it's fine because

00:10:08.340 you know under australia there is a fair use policy so we are journalists who are going to

00:10:13.640 be talking about this. So it's fine. Yes, I studied this in uni. Anyway, listen to the lyrics though.

00:10:43.640 oh my goodness this is going to be a major theme throughout our episode today because

00:11:06.460 later on you have a great great recommendation about dream jobs and how they aren't always what

00:11:12.500 they're made up to be right we won't spoil it now um but I'm so glad that Billie said that because

00:11:19.340 I think especially with celebrities we think that they should be so grateful for what they've

00:11:24.020 acquired and just be thankful for what you have but I like how she's almost pushing back on that

00:11:28.980 being like you know even for her like a celebrity at the top of their game a musician at the top of

00:11:36.520 her game that what was once her passion and hobby is also just something that's keeping her employed

00:11:44.680 is that does it make her art seem less good how do you feel about that i would actually say i feel

00:11:52.640 more connected to her by her sharing that i think in so many industries we're getting this inside

00:11:58.080 look probably because of social media or just people being more transparent about things like

00:12:02.540 mental health I don't I really don't like the saying that if you enjoy what you do you'll never

00:12:08.440 work a day in your life or whatever it is like everything that everything is work not everything

00:12:13.640 is work I mean even the best jobs like being a pop star would take so much work so much emotional

00:12:20.160 you wouldn't have like a lot a normal life like that would be your whole identity and I think if

00:12:25.400 you and I are struggling with like identity versus work how to separate them all those things

00:12:29.820 in our 20s like what would a person who's still a teenager who has like the eyes of the world on her

00:12:36.120 feel so i like these lyrics yes and it did remind me of this tiktok i watched which was really

00:12:43.700 random to be on my for you page i get offended when things like off-brand on my for you page

00:12:49.200 because this guy is like super like mr linkedin girl boss vibes like the music playing beneath

00:12:54.920 their sound is called epic emotional so you know what I mean like you've got that kind of vibe

00:13:00.400 going on um we'll play it now and it'll be linked in our um show notes if you do want to watch it

00:13:07.080 it's like him at like a seminar speaking to people yeah so I don't really like the creator

00:13:13.000 Gary Vaynerchuk's um harsh unempathetic tone but I do like the message he is saying I think

00:13:20.160 it is quite interesting so we'll play it now this year i find like my passion is from losing what

00:13:27.400 happened you woke up and you're like i don't want to do this i don't know okay so don't

00:13:31.320 here's the thing everybody's putting siglas around things you might not be burnt out you

00:13:40.420 might have just liked selling homes for a year why has everything got to be burnout why has

00:13:44.260 everything got to be so intense why can't it just be that you had a nice 18 month run selling homes

00:13:48.580 and you're good we're making everything so heavy these days like why can't that just be she scratched

00:13:54.140 her itch right now we are living in a world where everybody's putting so much judgment on themselves

00:13:59.020 the culture is beating themselves up you're not burnt out you're bored people like oh i'm just 0.99

00:14:04.980 lazy you're not lazy you just don't want to do that fucking thing that you're lazy at like stop 0.93

00:14:09.300 beating yourself up you're not burnt out you just need to try something else have you like seen his 0.97

00:14:16.220 content before no i haven't so so sorry if he's problematic um i think there's just a lot of

00:14:21.020 conversations around the way he says things are very like black and white and like he doesn't

00:14:26.540 take much into account like privileges and stuff he's kind of just that person who's like you're

00:14:30.880 so young you're 20 if you you can become a millionaire if you just invest um but i do

00:14:37.920 like that video as well it did make me think it did make me think about the fact that we can

00:14:44.860 sometimes put ourselves in these boxes and think that we have to stay in those boxes because we've

00:14:50.440 told people we want to be in that box or we are in that box at some point you change as a person

00:14:57.840 and in the same way that your romantic relationships or your friendship you can

00:15:01.680 outgrow those relationships maybe you can outgrow a career or a job or something yes and I think it

00:15:07.940 takes such courage to admit that because you almost feel like you're failing or letting down

00:15:14.340 a previous version of yourself and I think it takes courage to admit that hey maybe present

00:15:20.920 time you doesn't have the same dreams or doesn't have the same morals and that you can switch

00:15:27.220 course there I really like the message he was saying about like which I hadn't thought about

00:15:32.020 before but we shouldn't measure work success by longevity like it's okay to just want something

00:15:38.200 and just to do it for like a year or whatever I think we have these conversations when it comes

00:15:43.220 to romantic relationships it's not just about the length of time someone's been together that

00:15:48.560 doesn't dictate if a relationship is successful or not so it's kind of cool transferring that to

00:15:56.220 work life does remind me of um a podcast snippet from flex mommy um who talks about enjoyment and

00:16:05.560 i've tried to think this way a little bit more in terms of like finding simple joys and things and

00:16:12.600 like enjoying the little moments so we'll play a little bit here you need to be more focused on

00:16:19.620 enjoyment because like nothing we do is conducive to feeling good so you have to be so intentional

00:16:26.200 about it like this every day i'm not enjoying living for the weekend not doing that one no

00:16:32.360 it's lazy it's lazy and you're not helping yourself so please remember your body is

00:16:39.420 decaying the world is ending so you must prioritize satisfaction and enjoyment let's

00:16:47.620 slow clap to that yes gems of wisdom for free

00:16:53.060 we are just on all the snippets today we have we have so many little sound bites but we have to

00:17:01.480 i love the part where she's like your body is decaying the world is ending like you hated doing

00:17:10.800 that but here we are but yeah even though these snippets we've been playing are revolved around

00:17:16.000 work and career success it's so interesting to see how these pressures have evolved to encompass

00:17:21.900 our like whole personal lives and identity now especially through the pillars of social media

00:17:28.080 and wellness our bodies and mind have also been commodified and you know we we are our personal

00:17:34.280 brands and we are constantly seeking to increase our own productivity and outputs and yeah it's

00:17:41.960 scary to see this happen yeah i actually wrote about this for fashion journal a few weeks ago

00:17:48.760 in a piece about that girl i don't know if we've spoken about that girl before on the podcast but 0.84

00:17:55.960 it's basically a tiktok trend at the moment where um it's usually like slim wealthy um white women 0.99

00:18:04.560 who are like trying to make their lives more productive so they get up at 5 30 and you see 1.00

00:18:10.680 them making their bed in beautiful linen and they go for a shower and they use like the latest

00:18:14.700 most expensive uh body wash and make a healthy smoothie for breakfast and do their pilates and

00:18:21.840 you get the picture and they're like day one of being that girl and I do think that it

00:18:29.160 has come about more because of the pandemic as well like we couldn't have control in any other

00:18:34.760 aspects of our lives so we try to control what we can and how do you do that by controlling what

00:18:42.140 you eat controlling what you read controlling what time you get up if they're the only things

00:18:46.520 you can control it gets becomes obsessive that's a really good differentiation that you just made

00:18:51.520 because i was trying to be kind of critical and i'm like there's nothing inherently wrong obviously

00:18:56.140 with like getting up early and making green smoothies and whatever but i think that's the

00:19:02.000 line of obsession and i guess just doing stuff you know what's like the line between like healthy

00:19:09.800 eating and disordered eating yeah i guess there's a fine line but on that topic of like how we are

00:19:16.460 becoming our own personal brands and like commodifying ourselves um laura pitcher wrote

00:19:23.960 for id in a similar vein to the article i wrote girl boss culture isn't dead it's rebranded as

00:19:29.800 that girl um her piece touches a bit more on capitalism and i really like this quote that

00:19:38.560 she got from someone called carl cedarstrong an associate professor at stockholm university and

00:19:44.840 co-author of the wellness syndrome so in the piece laura writes carl explains that in the

00:19:52.460 wake of girlboss culture we're seeing a marriage of work and wellness shifting from work ethic to

00:19:58.180 workout ethic. This, he says, is part of 24-7 capitalism and has been further fueled by social

00:20:04.680 isolation during the pandemic, where the first response for many staying home was to create a

00:20:09.320 rigorous schedule and workout routine. Increasingly, we are taught or socialized into thinking about

00:20:14.860 ourselves as our own corporations, he says. The erosion of the line of private and profession

00:20:20.660 is something you see in these trends because it means the work never ends. The work is your life

00:20:26.000 itself and i think the fact that billy eilish has released that song and is talking about that as

00:20:33.280 well proves that it's like it is an issue of our times i think in the way that we i mean you'd know

00:20:41.220 you must feel this a lot i think we again we've probably spoken about this before but like you

00:20:46.160 are your brand like you sell products like you literally had an ad up on your instagram story

00:20:50.820 an hour ago it must and even I feel it like what are you putting out to the world is like your

00:20:57.140 brand and what are you trying to achieve and like I don't really know what I'm saying but like

00:21:04.620 how do you feel about this topic now that you're getting older and you've been doing this for a

00:21:09.600 little while much better I used to be obsessed with trying to be like I need to be exactly who

00:21:15.840 I am in real life online and I'm like no I don't like I really don't um because those are two

00:21:21.740 different things um I exist actually in the real world and I don't really exist online that's just

00:21:27.760 literally a digital footprint of me but what I think is scarier so while I understand that

00:21:34.680 is that quote really kind of freaks me out because I do this stuff and not to this extent I don't

00:21:44.060 I don't exercise sorry but I do this stuff regardless of whether it shows up online like

00:21:51.720 I've just kind of drilled it into my head that I've got to be in some shape or form like that girl

00:21:57.380 even if it's performing to no one even if it's just for myself and I kind of hate that like I

00:22:03.460 almost see myself from a third party perspective being like oh Maggie like is this like oh like

00:22:09.780 you should do some reading because that's good for blah blah blah or like you should whatever

00:22:14.260 put on a cute outfit even if it's even if it's i don't know it's so weird i don't know if it's

00:22:18.420 if i want to do this or if it's like society telling me this it's hard to kind of wrap my

00:22:23.920 head around yeah it's like we move from the male gaze like doing things for the male gaze to doing

00:22:29.040 things for like the tiktok gaze and are we being productive enough for the other girls on tiktok

00:22:34.460 basically oh my god yeah i love that take i mean i talk about it more in my fashion journal article

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00:24:45.420 Levitating by Dua Lipa featuring DaBaby has been stuck in my head for a good year now,

00:24:50.520 but it looks like i'm going to have to learn the lyrics to the solo version of the song

00:24:54.920 as this week rapper da baby whose real name is jonathan lindell kirk made homophobic remarks

00:25:01.680 on stage at the rolling cloud miami festival we'll quote the lyrics here but adding a content

00:25:08.120 warning for homophobic language you said lyrics oh right all right sorry oh good i was like what

00:25:15.140 song is this ladies if you put this around like water can we actually keep this in i can't do

00:25:31.800 i want to hear jazz rap on the pod oh my god so we'll quote the remarks here but we'll add 0.62

00:25:39.280 a content warning here for homophobic language. If you didn't show up today with HIV, AIDS, 0.77

00:25:46.320 or any of them deadly sexually transmitted diseases that'll make you die in two to three

00:25:51.140 weeks, then put your cell phone lighter up. Ladies, if your pussies smell like water, 1.00

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00:26:01.340 put your cell phone lighter up. Okay, so it's hard to believe that these words and this ignorance 1.00

00:26:08.120 was said in 2021, but here we are. Yeah, so the backlash was swift. Pop star Dua Lipa had to

00:26:16.140 issue a statement on Instagram stories and this is what it read. I really don't recognize this

00:26:24.200 as the person I worked with. I know my fans know where my heart lies and that I stand 100% with

00:26:30.780 the LGBTQ community. We need to come together to fight the stigma and ignorance around HIV and AIDS.

00:26:38.520 Rock legend and HIV activist Elton John also made a Twitter thread explaining the inaccuracies in

00:26:45.000 DaBaby's words. We've been shocked to read about the HIV misinformation and homophobic statements

00:26:50.440 made at a recent DaBaby show. This fuels stigma and discrimination and is the opposite of what

00:26:56.160 our world needs to fight the AIDS epidemic Elton goes on to explain some stats and facts and says

00:27:03.660 homophobic and HIV mistruths have no place in our society and industry and as musicians we must

00:27:11.060 spread compassion and love for the most marginalized people in our communities a musician's job is to

00:27:17.460 bring people back together it's a powerful last statement as well so it's interesting to also see

00:27:24.280 that fast fashion retailer boohoo man dropped a baby saying boohoo man condemned the use of

00:27:31.520 homophobic language and confirmed we will no longer be working with the baby diversity and

00:27:36.800 inclusion are part of the boohoo group's dna lol sorry maggie interjection continuing the quote

00:27:43.680 and we pride ourselves on representing the diverse customers we serve across the globe

00:27:48.340 i also think it's important to note that not only did the baby say homophobic remarks

00:27:53.200 but he also brought tori lanez on stage tori lanez is the rapper accused of shooting megan

00:28:04.080 the stallion in foot she has a restraining order against him she was also playing that festival

00:28:09.940 apparently um so he disrespected megan as well by bringing on her assaulter on stage with him 0.98

00:28:17.940 so just like shit behavior all around after the first bit of backlash da baby also took to 0.98

00:28:23.300 instagram stories have to put a strong language warning here all the lights went up gay or straight 0.99

00:28:30.460 he said you want to know why because even my gay fans don't got fucking aids my gay fans they take 0.98

00:28:37.460 care of themselves see what i'm saying they ain't no junkies what me and my fans do at the live show 0.99

00:28:44.560 it don't concern you n-word on the internet or you bitter bitches on the internet are we the 0.99

00:28:51.260 bitter bitches i kind of love that phrase bitter bitches on the internet that's our new branding 0.99

00:28:57.440 but he also didn't stop there because the backlash didn't stop you know he was getting 0.99

00:29:04.480 dropped by boohoo men and sponsors and bloody elton john and he said anybody who done ever

00:29:13.060 been affected by aids hiv you all got the right to be upset what i said was insensitive even though

00:29:19.280 i have no intentions on offending anybody so my apologies but the lgbt community i ain't tripping

00:29:26.500 on y'all do you your business is your business oh okay can where is his publicist like this is

00:29:35.800 i control literally like if i was his publicist i would disable all his social media accounts

00:29:41.840 oh sorry change passwords like this is ridiculous and just terrible for his branding like honestly

00:29:49.220 i mean that sounds terrible but even if he doesn't care about if his words offend people it's like

00:29:53.960 look what's happening around you but it's also interesting that just a few days later the rapper

00:29:59.900 released the video for his new single which is very catchy by the way i had to watch it for

00:30:04.320 research purposes i won't be giving him money and listening anymore but it was catchy um it's called

00:30:09.740 giving what it's supposed to give and he references aids again he says bitch we like aids i'm on your 1.00

00:30:16.780 what should i start rapping yeah we like aids i'm on your ass we on your ass bitch we don't go away 1.00

00:30:24.280 he also holds up a sign that says aids but at the end of the video writes don't fight hate with hate 0.99

00:30:29.920 in rainbow colors and there's a slogan that says my apologies for being me the same way you want

00:30:37.440 freedom to be you i don't know what that means um obviously using rainbow colors like what is 0.97

00:30:44.100 he trying to say here also he's seen receiving oral sex twice in the video like very explicitly 0.99

00:30:51.880 um which he just said in his like homophobic rant was dirty like i don't what is going on 0.95

00:30:59.500 i'm very glad that i am out of the loop with this pop culture moment and i like really didn't know

00:31:04.620 who he was yes I do know his rap in like Dua Lipa but that's about it um but yeah terrible to see

00:31:12.240 this happen and terrible I think to see how he's responded and also he's not like a teenager or

00:31:19.640 early 20 something he's going to be 30 this year um but even then age doesn't matter like just last

00:31:25.560 week we were talking about what amazing things Lil Nas X has done in the rap world but anyway

00:31:31.540 We could talk about what ridiculous things celebrities have said all episode long if

00:31:36.320 we wanted to, but I feel like this is important because it shows the stigma that still exists

00:31:42.200 around the HIV and AIDS crisis.

00:31:45.440 Obviously, we are too young to remember the AIDS crisis firsthand, but I know from speaking

00:31:50.840 with older people in the queer community that that stigma still hangs over them and affects

00:31:56.060 so many people.

00:31:57.060 um for example in australia there was the ad i don't know if you remember if you studied it in

00:32:02.980 uni or whatever um and health a health ad where the grim reaper came along and he like threw a

00:32:09.580 bowling ball down an alley um and it was meant to scare people off aids and it was kind of saying 0.98

00:32:16.120 it can get you anytime anywhere so you know those stigmas are still around and with people and 0.84

00:32:23.180 rappers in 2021 saying things like that to a packed out festival is just not on especially

00:32:29.940 because more than 70 million men women and children have been infected with hiv worldwide

00:32:36.520 and 35 million people have died so that's half it's really disappointing to see the baby spout 0.85

00:32:43.360 all this like misinformation because hiv is not a gay disease and this shows how important queer

00:32:49.840 history and proper sex education is for society what have you been loving reading watching

00:33:02.480 listening to this week maggie yeah so it's been a massive week because refinery 29 australia

00:33:08.460 has officially launched um so it's been really great being able to go through and read all these

00:33:13.720 fabulous contributor pieces including yours jasmine bloody love it you just keep talking

00:33:19.840 about all your pieces of writing in this episode um but one i also really loved is by isabel truman

00:33:28.460 who many listeners i'm sure know from the podcast after work drinks and this piece is called eat

00:33:35.380 the rich it'll cost you how anti-capitalism has been sold back to us so i adore this great

00:33:43.720 sprawling piece i think it's about 2 000 words long it's an interesting interrogation of how

00:33:49.560 anti-capitalism rhetoric has been commodified as clout online it explores a lot of the inner

00:33:55.620 conflict hypocrisy and tension that's exacerbated by online activism she begins the piece by

00:34:01.800 chatting to Laura Pitcher, who we talked about before she wrote the ID piece, who says that

00:34:07.560 dating apps and pickup lines now revolve around being on the same page about capitalism and jokes

00:34:12.700 about Jeff Bezos. I've asked Izzy to read some of the piece now. I've pulled paragraphs from

00:34:18.840 various parts of it, so I'd encourage you to read the whole thing. But here are like my favorite

00:34:24.180 parts. On TikTok, teens are hearing about Marxist theory amid easy to replicate dances. On Instagram,

00:34:31.340 its memes. In mid-2020, cute pastel infographics about billionaires started going viral,

00:34:37.060 sharing stats such as the fact that 650 people in the US got around 1.2 trillion richer during

00:34:42.980 the pandemic. You could be forgiven for wondering if some people of clout are using post-June 2020

00:34:48.320 progressive anti-capitalist language and rhetoric to boost their followers and sell themselves,

00:34:53.160 effectively capitalizing off anti-capitalism. Beyond Instagram, there's more anti-capitalist

00:34:58.300 literature on the market than anyone could read in a lifetime and if you're too busy to read there's

00:35:02.740 always anti-capitalist merch. Progressive congresswoman Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez recently

00:35:07.860 released a line of t-shirts including one which reads tax the rich. They cost $78. On Instagram

00:35:14.000 one of the most popular ways to make positive social change is to support small business and

00:35:18.280 be a patron of brands and products that quote unquote stand for something. Buying power is

00:35:23.340 increasingly becoming central to activism and online discussions. The stark contrast to what

00:35:28.240 we're saying online versus how we're living in reality has been pointed out on social media

00:35:31.860 as one twitter user put it eat the rich tweeted from an iphone 12 from their five bedroom house

00:35:37.340 with three cars in the driveway in the middle of central london another posted eat the rich

00:35:42.540 jeff bezos is the villain accompanied by a screenshot of a stat revealing amazon prime

00:35:47.040 has over 200 million subscribers 140 million of which are based in the u.s so izzy interviews

00:35:53.400 New York based Bobo Machila, who people probably also know from Bobo and Flex podcast, who has some

00:36:00.540 stellar points and quotes. So I love this one. There are two ways of being anti-capitalist.

00:36:06.920 And unfortunately, most people are anti-capitalist in theory, but not experientially. Ooh, what do

00:36:13.580 you think about that? I agree with that. But I do also agree that it's very hard to be anti-capitalist

00:36:20.240 in a capitalist society oh my god we're so like indoctrinated so we've ever known like how is

00:36:26.840 there an alternative when we can't really imagine we can't really imagine an alternative but i did

00:36:33.140 really enjoy isabel's piece i feel like it covered so many different topics and pulled them together

00:36:40.420 really nicely i love when people can like get something from you know an internet conversation

00:36:45.340 and then turn it into this big theory about like how we live nowadays but i also found i also like

00:36:51.960 the part where she was saying how quickly this has come about like again it really has been like

00:36:57.440 the pandemic has been exacerbating it a couple like she says in the piece a couple of years ago

00:37:01.720 you could just post pictures of designer bags and like these lavish lifestyles but now if you're not

00:37:07.080 saying anything at all or you're kind of just like not thinking about what you're putting out there

00:37:12.300 people can see through it and that people are sick of it so yeah fascinating piece and such a great

00:37:18.660 way for Refinery29 Australia to start congratulations by the way. Thank you oh my god I'm so sorry I

00:37:25.680 know I got easy to read out heaps but I want to read out another paragraph because you reminded

00:37:31.760 me when you're talking about how we are so indoctrinated so this is what she says capitalist

00:37:37.160 Capitalist realism is a term British philosopher Mark Fisher came up with to describe the widespread

00:37:43.100 notion of the inevitability of capitalism. We might not like it, but we're in so deep that

00:37:49.600 the majority of us now think there's no alternative to it. As writer Hayley Narman wrote in her

00:37:55.860 newsletter, Maybe Baby, we simply accept it the way five-year-olds accept the existence of the

00:38:01.700 tooth fairy. We accept the competitive job market and the concept of unemployment. We accept the

00:38:07.780 40-hour work week and the existence of billionaires. We become so inured to the strictures of capitalism

00:38:14.280 we forget they're all up for debate. It's such a deep article like it really just makes me think

00:38:21.320 about everything and like what we're doing. I know. But it's amazing. Alrighty so what would

00:38:29.100 you like to recommend this week jasmine so i'm recommending a piece that i read about a month ago

00:38:35.140 and i haven't been able to stop thinking about it since like it just pops into my head every now and

00:38:39.860 then and it's called why i don't think there's such a thing as a dream job anymore by genevieve

00:38:45.680 phelan for fashion journal so this is a personal essay by our friend and fashion journal's lifestyle

00:38:52.080 and careers columnist jen and explores how despite having big dreams as a young child and teenager

00:38:58.220 her goal of learning that one dream job is fading. So as we spoke about in the earlier segment it does

00:39:04.940 feel like COVID has exacerbated these feelings for a lot of us and so I asked Jen if she could

00:39:10.940 read a bit of her piece out. It starts with Jen saying that she wrote down her dream job of being

00:39:16.340 editor of Vogue in a time capsule at age 12. I connect myself so intrinsically to the work I do

00:39:23.000 and consider it a really big part of who I am.

00:39:25.760 I still also doubt my work all the time and make mistakes.

00:39:29.320 But what I used to think would bring me happiness, insert glamour,

00:39:33.220 prestigious titles, high-profile affiliation, big buildings,

00:39:36.960 launch parties, fancy dress every day and huge work teams

00:39:39.720 doesn't really align at all with what I care about now.

00:39:43.280 I want to, and do already, work intimately with purpose-driven,

00:39:47.120 local, female-facing, meaningful brands and publications.

00:39:49.920 I want to face people intimately deconstructing their why and thinking human-centrically about

00:39:55.880 their how. In all honesty, I really just want to go sweat to house music at United Bright at 7.15

00:40:01.400 a.m. on a weekday without having to bring a carry-on work clothes bag with me.

00:40:06.200 I've loved the jobs I've been lucky enough to land and know everything I can do now to them

00:40:11.080 and their people. They were vastly more helpful than my comms degree and pumped me up with the

00:40:15.160 skills to go out and start giving things a crack all on my own. But what's really better, a higher

00:40:20.680 paying, high profile and high stress job or a lesser paying, less glitzy, more rewarding job?

00:40:26.740 I know the answer to that is totally circumstantial and dependent on the person.

00:40:31.000 When I wrote down that cocky dream job before I'd even got my first period,

00:40:34.880 I genuinely believe that if a genie granted me one wish to be whatever I could be in this world,

00:40:39.320 it would have been at a glossy magazine HQ when the realities of its inner workings were unknown

00:40:44.680 to me or katrina roundtree on getaway i often think of a few local women like annie carroll

00:40:51.560 a melbourne comps consultant for clever ethical and purposeful brands and ash davidson master of

00:40:56.040 content creation for the likes of skincare giant ultraviolet and wonder what they would have

00:41:00.580 written down in their time capsule under dream job i think maybe diversity in what we're doing

00:41:05.560 and an emphasis on putting drive behind what we do for ourselves and for others is more important

00:41:09.820 than the notion of one be-all and end-all career mission because once you reach the dream and it's

00:41:14.800 not all that it's cracked up to be then what? I'm not writing this to say your end game and

00:41:22.040 everything you've worked hard for is defunct and unattainable. I am suggesting however that we all

00:41:27.080 start to imagine more than just one title for ourselves. We are changing creatures capable of

00:41:32.220 wild transformation. Think of the dream as a moving morphing continuum. Instead of a destination

00:41:38.100 likely to reek of disenchantment. Perhaps we can embrace our career goals as ever-evolving

00:41:42.680 extensions of who we are and what drives us. What work will truly make you happy when frills,

00:41:48.320 societal expectations and external pressures are stripped away?

00:41:53.200 Yeah, I mean, this is such a reoccurring theme for today's episode, but just, I guess, about the

00:41:59.640 lies we're told about careers and dreams, I guess. So I am so glad that Jen has put this

00:42:07.560 into words and yeah i really like this piece as well thanks everyone for reading out so much of

00:42:13.420 their pieces today so many and thanks to our editor india for uh piecing it all together

00:42:18.220 and we hope that you enjoyed this episode it's been a bit of an existential crisis episode but

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Culture Club - August 02, 2021

Dream Jobs Don't Exist

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