Culture Club - Sex Sells, But Should It？

00:00:00.000 Maggie's celeb news, the battle between Neil Young and Spotify, and are sex scenes on screen

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00:00:53.700 so something very big and very unique happened to you this week that you've shared with some

00:01:02.080 friends but haven't told the rest of the world yet what happened to you this weekend oh my god

00:01:08.120 okay culture club exclusive you will never believe who followed me on instagram this week

00:01:15.880 the one the only Gemma Styles aka Harry I can't even say it out loud Harry Styles's sister

00:01:24.720 are you are you kidding me right now and I got to say she's an incredible woman in her own right

00:01:31.460 but shuddering breath oh my god and do you think she followed you for your like sustainable fashion 1.00

00:01:42.680 stuff? Like how, when did you come across your account? I know. Well, it was so random. She

00:01:48.840 followed me. Where was I when it happened? I always remember this moment. It was literally

00:01:53.460 just like Saturday night and I had posted a TikTok and an Instagram reel like a day or two

00:01:59.360 before that was like performing well. And it was about slow fashion. So I'm going to put two and

00:02:03.940 two together and think, and I think that's how she found me. But like, what? I even told my mom

00:02:10.160 and she's like great oh and like you were such a one direction stand back in the day like the

00:02:19.000 biggest imagine you're like 14 15 year old self right now like I mean you're still freaking out

00:02:24.820 but like imagine them like telling them it's so cute I literally yeah I want to like time travel

00:02:30.280 just to tell her be like it gets better that's so sweet imagine if it was like a butt follow

00:02:35.820 are you nervous to post now no I like someone asked me that as well we're like are you worried

00:02:45.780 about um posting Harry Styles content I'm like one no I will be shameless about my love for her

00:02:51.880 brother and two I just swear to god she does not care about what people on Instagram are posting

00:02:58.100 but anyway very very very nice moment I feel like our degrees of separation between me and

00:03:04.300 Mrs. Siles is very much closing in.

00:03:07.400 Watch your back, Harry.

00:03:09.000 I'm coming.

00:03:11.540 Oh, my God.

00:03:12.900 Apart from Gemma being your new bestie, what else did you get up to over the weekend?

00:03:18.940 Okay, I think I need to let it out at the start of the podcast because 15 minutes before

00:03:23.640 I jumped on mic, I finished the most wild thriller book and I am so on edge, not going

00:03:30.540 to lie.

00:03:30.860 I'm sitting down recording in my room but um right before we jumped on this video link I'm like

00:03:36.260 looking like below my bed like looking outside my door just like checking like behind my shoulder

00:03:42.540 every two seconds because I am still freaked out of it what on earth is this book about

00:03:48.380 okay so it's called Verity and it's by Colleen Hoover who's like super big on TikTok you might

00:03:54.720 have seen her books she's written it ends with us but anyway little old me hadn't heard of her

00:04:00.400 I was like oh yeah cute thriller I didn't know how intense it was Jasmine the things that this

00:04:06.980 woman writes it's too much it's too much like I felt sickened while reading it yeah what's the

00:04:14.760 plot line so it's kind of about this very famous writer who writes a series of like thriller books

00:04:21.480 which just feels very parallel to the writer the author of the actual books might I add

00:04:26.080 But anyway, after a series of unfortunate incidents, she's in an accident, which leaves

00:04:32.360 her unable to write, which brings in our like protagonist, who is this other writer.

00:04:37.520 And she gets asked to finish off this book series for her. 0.94

00:04:41.440 Basically, she gets like she goes into this woman's house and she's got her sexy husband

00:04:46.700 living there. 0.91

00:04:48.780 And she's asked to take over writing the books.

00:04:51.320 But as she starts doing her research, she uncovers really terrible things.

00:04:56.080 oh i mean i am intrigued even yeah it's scary it is a bit sexy as well i gotta say so

00:05:04.600 zara mcdonald recommended it on shameless she failed to mention that it's a scary book i swear

00:05:11.440 she's just like oh it's got sex in it and i was like oh fun but um yeah okay but aside from that

00:05:18.520 thank you for letting me get that off my chest what else did you do this weekend not too much 0.92

00:05:23.880 But one thing I did make sure to do was watch Ash Barty smash it

00:05:30.620 in the Australian Open last night.

00:05:32.800 It was so amazing.

00:05:35.860 I feel like as a country we really needed that.

00:05:39.580 And, like, you and I aren't particularly sporty people.

00:05:42.200 Like, I think sometimes Australia's culture with sport is, like, so toxic.

00:05:46.500 But, like, sometimes it's just nice to, like, celebrate a young girl

00:05:50.700 who is at the peak of a career and smashing out world number one and she's Australian.

00:05:56.960 Incredible, right? I cannot believe she's 25 years old. Such an incredible player to watch. 1.00

00:06:04.340 Like I only tuned in about like halfway through the game, but just watching her in her element,

00:06:11.440 like, you know, I don't enjoy sport that much, but I adored watching that game.

00:06:17.360 There was one moment where I was like a bit nervous for her.

00:06:20.700 Like halfway through, I was like, oh God, the Danielle Collins was really kind of getting

00:06:26.080 the upper hand.

00:06:27.460 But yeah, of course she came through.

00:06:29.660 So it's her third major singles title because she won the 2019 French Open and Wimbledon

00:06:36.820 in 2020.

00:06:38.360 And she broke a 44 year old drought for Australian women in the women's singles.

00:06:44.680 I can't.

00:06:45.320 And then I just, yeah, you're reading out that those stats made me realize that, yeah,

00:06:49.480 at 22 years old she won the french open what um props to her she is she makes me feel so like

00:06:58.080 lucky and proud to be australian love the tiktok that i sent you earlier that says every bit of

00:07:04.660 anti-australian sentiment leaving my body the second ash party steps onto the corn

00:07:08.900 incredible honestly um she restores my faith in this country

00:07:15.180 all righty so last week jazz you made or i outed you you made the confession

00:07:25.360 that you hadn't actually watched euphoria properly do you have an update for us this week

00:07:31.520 i do i've been watching it every night i've been binging it even though you said not to

00:07:36.780 so i'm about to finish the first season i've got like one episode left and then those two specials

00:07:43.240 in between um and then I've got to catch up on season two so I'm not gonna get I might watch one

00:07:48.000 more tonight but um I'm not gonna catch up in time for the new episode tomorrow but regardless I

00:07:54.860 understand the characters a bit more now and yeah nearly seen season one which from what I've seen

00:08:00.220 online people are saying it's better than season two anyway so I'm trying to like enjoy it as much

00:08:05.240 as I can yeah I've seen some takes that are like season two is getting a bit like a bit too fantasy

00:08:11.620 see and um right like the characters aren't really developing I don't know okay um I actually do

00:08:19.940 really enjoy season two as well so I feel like that's nice to also know like it doesn't get like

00:08:24.680 totally trashed or it doesn't go downhill but I'm glad that you've caught up so quickly that is

00:08:29.840 like quite a feat especially because they're hour-long episodes yeah I don't know I am really

00:08:37.260 enjoying it but there was such high expectations that you know it's hard to match up to like what

00:08:45.080 everyone was saying but it's very intense very emotional and I'm very invested in the characters

00:08:50.000 so can't bolt it I know and like we mentioned last time I feel like it's really creating so

00:08:56.300 many stars and bringing out all these incredible talented actors and actresses to our forefront

00:09:02.560 one of which i have to say is sydney sweeney she plays cassie she is incredible um i should

00:09:10.840 actually mention she's 24 years old and she's also been in white lotus the handmaid's tale

00:09:15.820 and had a small role in once upon a time in hollywood so she's really rising up in the ranks

00:09:21.460 yeah she is incredible and she's actually opened up about her mixed feelings around being nude

00:09:28.840 in Euphoria. So if you've seen it, you know that there are quite a few sex scenes and Cassie in

00:09:35.540 particular has a lot of nude scenes as well. Yeah, it was so cute. I mean, yeah, it's actually

00:09:40.980 quite cute. I'll stand by that. She has talked about this before, but recently in an interview

00:09:46.340 with The Telegraph, she was talking about how she like forgot to tell her dad that she was in

00:09:51.940 Euphoria. So he's sitting down with her two grandparents watching it. And after literally

00:09:58.300 the first five seconds slams it shut because she is just nude having sex um without any warning

00:10:05.460 how embarrassing as if you would forget to tell your dad that you're in like this major HBO TV 0.98

00:10:11.040 show like that's so crazy to me oh my god and her character I would say is I mean quite sexualized

00:10:20.500 and a lot of her storyline revolves around relationships and sex right so I kind of found

00:10:25.120 of interesting i mean silly me obviously actors and their characters are separate but you know 0.62

00:10:31.220 the show's rampant nudity actually turned sydney like off the show she actually ignored the show's

00:10:37.700 first audition request because of that wow oh my gosh i had no idea does it explain why she then

00:10:46.360 decides to take it like was the nudity toned down yeah in the telegraph piece she kind of goes on

00:10:52.660 to say you know she like looked more into like why they had the sex scenes and how like really it was

00:10:57.700 it wasn't all filtered and glamorized that's what she said changed her mind about it later in the

00:11:03.900 piece she also talks more about herself being sexualized by the media and the audience and she

00:11:09.160 talks about specifically her larger breasts which literally form up so much of like the public

00:11:15.640 opinion around her honestly I'll read out a bit of her quote now I developed my boobs very young

00:11:22.200 i think in sixth grade i already had 32 double d's and when you are young with boobs you aren't 0.97

00:11:28.060 looked at the same way and you're not treated the same by girls or guys although girls are the worst

00:11:33.640 it's not the same experience sometimes people don't look past your body

00:11:38.000 i feel that every bloody word she says so if you haven't seen a picture of me 0.61

00:11:44.840 uh I have really big boobs um and I've actually 0.97

00:11:50.880 um I've written about it a few times so once for Fashion Journal and most recently back in May

00:12:00.220 for Pedestrian TV when Billie Eilish fronted Vogue UK and it was just so refreshing to see

00:12:07.200 a celebrity on Vogue whose breasts were like kind of like a very prominent part of the picture

00:12:15.160 and it kind of delves into the fact that one Sydney Sweeney is one of my style icons to look

00:12:21.360 for with bigger boobs and also about the fact that a lot of the time in fashion big boobs aren't taken

00:12:28.720 into consideration even though everyone is like oh everyone wants big boobs um they're not taken

00:12:35.020 into consideration and they're not considered high fashion at all like they're considered

00:12:40.660 sexualized and you can be super sexualized from a young age but it's not fashionable I think

00:12:46.860 so I'll read a bit of the quote now just a few years ago the same magazine who put a curvy

00:12:53.280 Billie Eilish on the cover also held a twitter poll asking users is the cleavage over in response

00:12:59.760 to Kathleen Baird Murray's article Desperately Seeking Cleavage, as if they're an accessory we

00:13:05.060 can remove at the end of the day, instead of kilograms worth of heavy tissue that strain

00:13:09.360 your back. After days of backlash and BuzzFeed think pieces, the fashion bible came out to say

00:13:14.700 that they didn't mean it that way, they were just asking which style of top is popular this season.

00:13:20.300 Regardless, the discourse stung as bigger busted women were reminded, you'll never be vogue 0.78

00:13:25.280 fashionable. Naomi Campbell is fashionable. Gigi Hadid is fashionable. Kate Moss walking down the 1.00

00:13:31.820 runway with her nipples out is fashionable. Not an F cup grotesquely bulging in front of everyone's 1.00

00:13:37.320 faces. Even Posh Spice knew this fashion secret. The English pop star got breast implants in the 0.86

00:13:43.320 late 90s before removing them as soon as she made her foray into high fashion. So that's why when I 0.59

00:13:50.900 see Sydney Sweeney like dress up for red carpets or on these talk shows in these dresses that

00:13:57.080 actually look nice and well-fitting it is so refreshing to see and I'm so glad that she's 0.98

00:14:03.660 talking about the sexualization of big boobs like even if you just exist with big boobs like 0.98

00:14:10.580 I can't walk around without a bra on like in the street because my boobs are like 0.98

00:14:15.360 bloody everywhere or if I wear like a bikini with an open top like it's like I'm asking for

00:14:24.000 looks and stares whatever so anyway I'm just glad that she's speaking about it in the mainstream 0.85

00:14:30.660 because like how many other celebrities have big boobs like that but who are also that's what my

00:14:37.300 piece kind of gets into is like I don't consider myself plus size at all I'm a size 12 a 10 to 12

00:14:42.580 which is like straight size right so it's refreshing to see a mid-sized straight-sized

00:14:48.620 person with bigger boobs like rising the ranks of hollywood completely um thank you for reading

00:14:55.680 out some of your piece love that one so proud of sydney for speaking up about this too um it must

00:15:02.340 be so hard to have so much of yourself and so much of your body like literally put out for everybody

00:15:08.660 to see and therefore scrutinize um like again it's not just her breasts that we're seeing as well like 0.84

00:15:15.120 there's a lot of her body that um i don't want to say exposed but is shown on euphoria so she 1.00

00:15:21.340 actually had another interview come out with the independent and here she spoke about the double

00:15:27.020 standards of an actress getting naked versus an actor getting naked um it was so interesting so

00:15:33.740 one of the quotes that she said was when a guy has a sex scene or shows his body he still wins

00:15:40.320 awards and gets praise but the moment a girl does it it's completely different she also says that

00:15:46.280 she's never felt uncomfortable shooting euphoria because there's an intimacy coordinator on set

00:15:51.280 i don't know about you but i feel like we've been hearing more and more about intimacy coordinators

00:15:55.440 the past couple of years because i would always wonder like how do they make this sexy and look

00:15:59.740 so real like they must just be having sex but it's actually like a whole job um and so there's

00:16:05.580 a lot of press around it when normal people was released a hundred percent um and also just gotta

00:16:11.440 say a little side bite here sorry to anyone who thought we were cancelling sally rooney's book

00:16:17.400 with our last episode title we had some instagram comments which was very funny because we named our

00:16:22.880 um episode why are we cancelling normal people so yes confirming that sally rooney is safe

00:16:28.900 you know when you wrote that I was like oh I think of the book but I was like no one else

00:16:35.100 will like think of it that way whoops the Sally Rooney girlies are coming

00:16:39.320 sorry what were you saying about Sydney Sweeney again Sam Levinson who's a screenwriter is

00:16:46.900 amazing she says describing times where she's told him that there are moments where Cassie

00:16:51.060 was supposed to be shirtless but she didn't think it was necessary yeah so it's really great that

00:16:56.540 he was open and that he listened to her requests there um but in that interview she kind of

00:17:03.460 disclosed some other negative experiences she's had on other tv shows and movies saying I've had

00:17:09.660 experiences where I want to go home and scrub myself completely raw because I feel disgusting

00:17:14.780 I didn't feel comfortable with my cast mate or the crew and I didn't and I just didn't feel like

00:17:20.620 my character would be doing it that made me even more self-conscious I didn't feel like I was able

00:17:26.120 to speak up that's awful and you think she would have been even younger than like yeah 1920 that's

00:17:34.820 so bad oh and jazz i want to bring up another euphoria actress you haven't met her yet because

00:17:41.120 she comes in season two um but the character's name is faye and she is played by chloe cherry

00:17:47.580 who is an adult film actress and sex worker um and she actually spoke to id magazine recently

00:17:53.860 about how her sex work experience has helped her with acting which I think kind of lends itself to

00:17:59.420 that like intimacy coordinator role that you're talking about like it's so important to have

00:18:04.560 people knowledgeable in the industry like working on films and tv shows that depict sex

00:18:09.280 so just to quote her a little bit she says acting in adult films was important training for me

00:18:15.320 believe it or not there's a lot of improvising in porn too I think Hollywood has learned that you

00:18:20.940 can and should cast sex workers especially for sex scenes actors with non-traditional backgrounds

00:18:26.860 are getting accepted more and it's way less boring and way more authentic it really doesn't

00:18:31.980 matter what somebody did outside of hollywood or outside their formal acting career

00:18:36.420 i think sydney's quotes kind of talk about the necessity of sex scenes in movies and tv shows

00:18:46.160 like do they add much to the plot and especially when the show revolves around minors like in

00:18:54.020 euphoria do you think like what do you think of it do you think that sex scenes are necessary

00:18:59.820 um I am kind of on the fence with this one I definitely think there's no like hard or fast

00:19:05.820 rule like I think it's a case-by-case basis like yes some tv shows and movies I do think sex scenes

00:19:11.940 are important but others i'm like this is just like the director's leery eye and this was not

00:19:17.900 needed um for instance i would say that we are both sex positive and we're we're not shaming

00:19:24.180 people for enjoying sex or doing doing sex having sex um and there's nothing wrong or like dirty

00:19:30.280 about sex scenes if everyone involved is treated properly um and i think there are some benefits

00:19:36.320 like we've seen like you mentioned normal people everyone praised that for its sex scenes and i

00:19:41.660 think sex education has been done really really well where like it's almost include it's where

00:19:48.980 it's more inclusive and maybe even educational for some of the viewers watching it is that yeah

00:19:54.900 a stretch I don't think so but um I love it's interesting that we're using sex education and

00:20:01.980 normal people as examples of when sex on screen is done well comparing it to euphoria sometimes

00:20:08.200 it can feel a bit icky and the interesting distinction is that sex education and normal

00:20:12.380 people are british and irish um and euphoria is american i feel like sometimes hollywood has like

00:20:19.100 a very glamorized either glamorized or violent depictions of sex whereas i think the uk or

00:20:28.460 other countries like we were saying in love me i think love me on binge that we both chatted about

00:20:34.600 last week i thought that was really realistic and nice it didn't feel like we were being voyeurs

00:20:42.540 it felt like a nice depiction um but yeah sometimes in american tv shows it's almost graphic

00:20:51.040 yeah that's so true and you kind of mentioned violence there as well like violent depictions

00:20:58.020 of sex almost and I almost feel like this rule applies to very violent graphic scenes of like

00:21:05.080 violence I'm saying not even sex so do you know when movies just are super super glory for almost

00:21:10.700 like unnecessary reasons I just like how much do we really need to see like implications of sex or

00:21:18.040 whatever still get the point across I don't want to be a prude I don't think I'm prudish here

00:21:23.160 but I'm just like sometimes I'm like why or is this doing more damage than it is doing good

00:21:30.480 yeah especially when you're watching with family like sometimes when you see like they're going

00:21:37.120 to about to have sex or something and then they end up closing the door or like it cuts the next

00:21:42.880 morning I'm like oh thank god like we still know what happened and like the plot has moved forward

00:21:47.200 and whoever it is but like we don't have to see everything and like you said like we're quite

00:21:52.080 sex positive but yeah yeah and also like we're saying in hollywood sex sells so sometimes like

00:21:59.980 a lot of the reviews of euphoria are like it's teenagers like having sex and taking drugs and 0.80

00:22:06.180 it's so crazy so you know sometimes that is part of the appeal yeah like is it almost just giving

00:22:14.200 the people what they want and you know we shouldn't chide people for that um you know like you will not

00:22:19.680 believe you know how many google searches for things like hottest tv sex scenes or like best

00:22:24.240 sex scenes and movies um there are because that is super super popular and like that's not something

00:22:30.060 we're shaming people for enjoying of course but it's yeah again i'm on the fence

00:22:34.680 spotify has made headlines this week after two influential artists neil young and joni mitchell

00:22:45.880 both announced that they're taking their music off the streaming service.

00:22:50.480 Yeah, what a week.

00:22:52.080 This has actually been in response to COVID-19 misinformation

00:22:56.920 spread by number one podcaster and generally vile human, Joe Rogan.

00:23:03.240 Founded in Sweden in 2006, Spotify, as we all know,

00:23:07.180 is now one of the most popular music and podcast streaming services in the world.

00:23:11.360 According to our stats, you're most likely listening to us on Spotify right now.

00:23:15.100 One thing to note about this whole ordeal is that on May 19, 2020, Joe Rogan announced that he'd

00:23:22.220 signed a multi-year licensing deal with Spotify that's worth an estimated $100 million, making

00:23:30.600 it one of the largest licensing agreements in the podcast business. The deal is to exclusively host

00:23:37.060 Joe Rogan's podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience. Now, this show has around 11 million listeners

00:23:43.460 and has actually been known for spreading false information

00:23:46.700 and misleading claims regarding the pandemic and vaccination.

00:23:50.720 Do you even know what his podcast was about?

00:23:53.480 No, I just, it's just so, it's just all I know is it's the biggest red flag

00:23:58.780 if anyone listens to Joe Rogan, I am sorry.

00:24:01.420 I also want to like double down on the point that his offer is $100 million USD.

00:24:08.980 so in Australia that is like you know almost doubled which is radonkadonk sorry I actually 0.96

00:24:16.320 use that word like kind of bit normal like so sorry but whatever crap he does speak it has 0.73

00:24:25.000 garnered a lot of backlash and rightfully so so doctors scientists healthcare workers and 0.89

00:24:31.600 epidemiologists have been calling for his show to be removed for months some doctors even created

00:24:37.900 a petition for Spotify to stop hosting him and over 270 healthcare workers signed the petition

00:24:45.440 stating, throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, Joe Rogan has repeatedly spread misleading and false

00:24:52.000 claims on his podcast, provoking distrust in science and medicine. They described what the

00:24:58.180 podcast has been doing as a quote, sociological issue of devastating proportions and Spotify is

00:25:04.360 responsible for allowing this activity to thrive on its platform it called on spotify to immediately

00:25:10.900 establish a clear and public policy to moderate misinformation on this platform because although

00:25:16.680 spotify has a responsibility to mitigate the spread of misinformation on its platform the company at

00:25:22.780 the time of recording has no misinformation policy which sites like youtube facebook instagram all

00:25:29.200 have so another walking red flag aka right-wing psychologist jordan peterson was interviewed on

00:25:37.240 the joe rogan experience um just a few days ago and he just spewed straight up lies about climate

00:25:43.520 change which is just incredible because remember he is also a massive massive voice in the in the

00:25:51.140 right-wing space so it's easy i just want to laugh at these quotes but then it's also shocking that

00:25:56.680 so many people would believe it just because it's coming out of his mouth as well um do you

00:26:00.740 want to tell me your favorite thing that he said we'd love to just note that this is not

00:26:05.580 misinformation from us we're just quoting this crazy crazy quote peterson says there's no such

00:26:13.020 thing as climate right and then went on to mock climate types who he said typically suggests that

00:26:19.340 climate is about everything i'm sorry climate is about everything without the climate there's no

00:26:26.660 everything else yeah and he literally said what's the difference between the environment and

00:26:32.600 everything there's no difference and if you're kind of confused trying to follow this along like

00:26:37.660 same here I think that's kind of the point and Joe Rogan is like known for having lots of

00:26:44.040 different voices and opinions on his podcast but while I think listening to people is one thing I

00:26:52.080 think like endorsing them and not kind of challenging their views is completely dangerous

00:26:58.580 so he didn't rebuke the claims that Jordan was making he just kind of you know essentially

00:27:04.240 endorse the waffling remarks in another three hour long episode which is exclusive to Spotify

00:27:11.960 Joe Rogan interviews the widely criticized scientist Robert Malone who makes a wide

00:27:17.000 variety of medical claims about vaccines including that a quote third of the population have become

00:27:23.980 hypnotized through mass formation psychosis as if we're in nazi germany and totally wrapped up in

00:27:30.900 whatever fauci's and dr fauci in the mainstream media feeds them this is exclusive on spotify 0.99

00:27:37.900 number one podcast like three hours long just say whatever the fuck you want because there's no 0.97

00:27:44.200 misinformation policy and then 11 million people are listening to this I honestly can't believe it 0.89

00:27:53.220 and we had a segue how does Neil Young fit into all of this why are we putting him in the same

00:27:58.760 bracket as Joe Rogan so with Joe Rogan you know downplaying the vaccines and spreading COVID

00:28:05.560 misinformation Neil Young who has received several Grammys the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has

00:28:11.900 inducted him twice he's been named number 34 on the rolling stones list of the 100 greatest

00:28:17.160 musical artists he has stated in a open letter to his management team and record label that he would

00:28:23.180 pull his music from the platform unless they took action against rogan neil young said i am doing

00:28:29.700 this because spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines potentially causing death to those

00:28:34.980 who believe the disinformation being spread by them they can have rogan or young not both it's

00:28:41.480 also interesting to note that he is a survivor of childhood polio so when he was five years old he

00:28:48.200 was diagnosed with it and he battled the life-threatening disease and though he recovered

00:28:54.000 he has a slight limp because of it and I mean this is another reason why he's a massive advocate for

00:29:01.620 vaccines he recently wrote on his website quote I was vaccinated for polio at my school in Canada

00:29:08.180 nothing new about vaccines they have been there for a long time like me trust science such cute

00:29:14.820 vibes so cute yeah and I think that is what that's why I think it's important that these older

00:29:22.040 musicians as well are kind of making these big statements because you and I have never lived in

00:29:28.220 a world with polio like most diseases that have been you know cured by vaccines we only have

00:29:35.740 because people like him had to live through this time and you know get sick and they developed

00:29:41.400 vaccine like I think sometimes it's very ignorant for young people to not believe in vaccines

00:29:46.200 because we are actually very privileged and lucky to have lived in a country that we haven't had

00:29:53.200 these illnesses like running rampant like polio and tuberculosis and things like that

00:29:58.300 completely I'm even grateful that I never got chicken pox because of the vaccine so yay

00:30:04.400 what i didn't get a vaccine chickenpox oh well in the two years yeah that break us that split us

00:30:13.900 apart so after neil had that public letter spotify didn't really say anything but his music was taken

00:30:22.820 down on wednesday and reports say that spotify lost four billion dollars in market value since

00:30:30.880 then yeah so his own music and discography is gone um I looked up Neil Young on Spotify and

00:30:38.720 the only thing available is music from like movies and tv shows and the live egg concert so things

00:30:46.120 that he probably doesn't have the full rights to are still available but his own discography is

00:30:51.320 gone so with Neil Young taking his music down 60s folk singer Joni Mitchell famous for her songs

00:30:58.120 Big Yellow Taxi, River and many more, announced that she plans to follow suit. So in a brief

00:31:03.960 statement posted on Joni's website on Friday, she said, irresponsible people are spreading

00:31:09.240 lies that are costing people their lives. I stand in solidarity with Neil Young and the global

00:31:15.220 scientific and medical communities on this issue. I've seen a lot more people talking about the fact

00:31:21.020 that Joni Mitchell is leaving Spotify than Neil Young. Some of the TikTok girlies I follow have

00:31:27.740 you know been saying that they listen to Joni Mitchell all the time she's obviously very

00:31:32.060 emotive artist very influential um so yeah I think this is having a bigger impact on some

00:31:38.240 people than others yeah I saw a tweet that said something like I despise this world that has made

00:31:45.800 Joni Mitchell aware of Joe Rogan like these who shouldn't have ever crossed paths um but yeah big

00:31:52.940 big moves and Spotify has come out with a statement we'll read it here now we want all

00:32:00.960 the world's music and audio content to be available to Spotify users with that comes

00:32:06.020 great responsibility in balancing both safety for listeners and freedom for creators we have

00:32:12.100 detailed content policies in place and we've removed over 20,000 podcast episodes related

00:32:17.820 to COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic we regret Neil's decision to remove his music

00:32:23.580 sorry we regret Neil's decision to remove his music from Spotify but hope to welcome him back

00:32:30.180 soon but how are they like removing these podcast episodes but then they let like a three-hour

00:32:35.860 podcast episode up with like someone saying that we're all being brainwashed and like we're

00:32:40.380 basically back in Nazi Germany like you're right because those 20,000 podcast episodes that have

00:32:47.000 been removed don't stack up to the 11 million listeners that joe rogan has right so this almost

00:32:54.500 feels like lip service or it's quite performative because yeah it's great that they're removing some

00:32:59.980 podcast episodes but look at the ones with the most traction like they're doing the most damage

00:33:04.760 do you think that two influential yet boomer baby boomer artists leaving a streaming platform

00:33:13.400 is enough for young people to go off the platform like I'm not planning on um getting rid of my

00:33:19.160 subscription anytime soon because I use it all day every day um I don't know what do you think

00:33:26.420 are you gonna get rid of yours like what do we do here well I don't think so like I sorry I

00:33:32.340 personally won't be I find this very interesting and I'll see how Spotify continues to I guess

00:33:39.700 deal with this situation but the thing is like I understand boy like boycotts aren't probably my

00:33:45.760 favorite form of protest because if they lose a few listeners a few subscribers who knows what

00:33:53.160 that would mark that down as like oh maybe these Gen X can't afford it this month or whatever you

00:33:57.480 know what I mean like it's hard I wonder if that would be a big enough stand but I don't know if

00:34:01.560 that's kind of self-centered to have that like solo thought whereas like if we're all having

00:34:06.100 this fault we all collectively do something I don't know yeah I feel the same I think I'm

00:34:13.240 definitely watching the situation and we'll see if Spotify makes any more changes to their policies

00:34:22.120 but I read this quote in the LA Times which I found very interesting so it's by Natasha

00:34:28.760 Chenna the editor-in-chief of the Harvard Kennedy School Misinformation Review which actually

00:34:33.640 studies, platforms, and misinformation policies. And Natasha said, if we're thinking about Spotify

00:34:39.900 five years ago, it was just a hosting service for audio. Four years ago, Spotify could say,

00:34:46.340 well, you know, we're just hosting this content. Now you can't make that argument anymore because

00:34:51.420 you're paying Joe Rogan's salary. Such a good point. I found it quite surprising to be honest

00:34:59.180 that Pete Evans podcast has been removed from Spotify. He's the Australian that's known for his

00:35:06.440 massive COVID conspiracy theories. And yeah, he was removed because he was spreading COVID 1.00

00:35:12.400 misinformation. He also said that there was no warning at all for his removal.

00:35:17.020 But on the other hand, Joe Rogan has said about Spotify, quote, Spotify has asked me to change

00:35:22.340 nothing. They've never, they've been amazing. I'm very happy with them. I'm very happy,

00:35:27.120 especially when you tell me things like interviews that you do get removed off YouTube that's not

00:35:31.740 happening to me just going back to what we were saying about kind of boycotting I saw another

00:35:37.280 take by comedian Gian Marco and it says liberals are under the illusion that Spotify removing Joe

00:35:44.060 Rogan which they will never do somehow solves the problem of misinformation when the real issue has

00:35:50.380 and will always be our education system which is currently focused on banning literature about the

00:35:56.000 holocaust and i believe that's in america not in australia they continue of course the platforming

00:36:03.240 would make for less listeners but the specific people everyone's concerned about the ones getting

00:36:08.560 their medical advice from a podcast they're not doing that because it's on spotify people would

00:36:14.560 rather get a podcast banned from spotify than talk to their weird cousin who brings up joe rogan too

00:36:20.420 much yeah interesting to see like another take on this and that kind of like we have to be having

00:36:30.120 these conversations around like why like this maybe kind of boycotting Spotify is like a band-aid

00:36:35.280 solution like why are people going to Spotify and you know Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson for

00:36:40.460 COVID information misinformation anyway rather than from the health advice I still wouldn't mind

00:36:49.580 spotify kicking him off his platform but that's so completely right like conspiracy theorists or

00:36:54.800 whatever you want to call them will always find a way to seek community and to like find other

00:37:00.380 people like them who validate their beliefs so apart from that scary colleen hoover book

00:37:13.700 what else have you been consuming this week i must say it is also a kind of creepy listen i don't

00:37:21.940 know what type of genre i'm getting into in 2022 but here we are i'm recommending a podcast called

00:37:28.840 something was wrong and it is an award-winning true crime docuseries and it was actually

00:37:34.640 recommended to me by alicia who is a founder of sex care brand rosewell she recommended this after

00:37:41.340 I recommended the podcast Sweet Bobby on here that's a podcast about catfishing if you have

00:37:48.660 been like a listener of Culture Club before it's such a good podcast series but anyway something

00:37:54.420 was wrong about I've listened to the first season which follows a woman called Sarah and she was

00:38:00.720 engaged to someone who she thought was the Christian man of her dreams but a week before

00:38:06.120 the wedding things start to unravel. So through interviews with Sarah herself as well as like

00:38:13.120 family members and others close to her we learn more about her sociopathic fiance and the ways

00:38:20.760 he was able to control their relationship. So of course the show needs a trigger warning as it

00:38:25.660 tackles abusive relationships through specifically coercive control I would say. There isn't anything

00:38:32.760 graphic or physical um that's mentioned so yeah i just wanted to put that out there as well

00:38:39.240 uh the host of the show tiffany also embeds her personal experiences of having a sociopath

00:38:45.540 for a father so it adds another layer to this story as well i also found it interesting hearing

00:38:51.620 it from like a christian woman's perspective um it kind of was interesting to see how a sociopath

00:38:57.660 use religion to manipulate someone but yeah it's a it's a really eye-opening I would say listen

00:39:06.840 of course it's not easy subject matter and it is quite sensitive but it's also nice to know that 1.00

00:39:12.620 this is after she got out of the relationship and you know the way she talks about it it's

00:39:16.900 it can be quite humorous or whatever because luckily she is like safe now but yeah how many

00:39:24.520 episodes is it it's like 12 episodes so um not long but like it does drag on near the end like

00:39:31.840 some of them are like there's a few q a's and it gets quite long but it's a it's a really great

00:39:37.640 listen i might put it on my list um and what are you going to be recommending for us this week

00:39:45.980 so as we all know i have been binging euphoria so i haven't had much time for anything else

00:39:51.540 the only other thing that i started this week i'm so so late to the party um but that is succession

00:39:59.020 so if you've also been living under a rock like me succession centers on the roy family which are

00:40:06.740 a fictional dysfunctional family who own waystar royco which is a global media and entertainment

00:40:13.200 conglomerate and the whole family is basically fighting for control of the company amid

00:40:19.280 uncertainty around the health of the family's patriarch logan roy have you seen this i haven't

00:40:26.380 but every single media girly and boy love this show yeah so i've watched about four episodes so

00:40:35.100 far it's taking a little while to get into like once you're in it it is very very well written

00:40:41.120 very funny smart quick um also feels like watching another world in terms of like

00:40:48.540 it was filmed the first season's filmed in 2018 so pre-pandemic and like everyone's wearing suits

00:40:55.860 to the office and it's like kind of a hustle like fast paced life that we all lived um beforehand

00:41:02.100 especially you know being in new york around this family um so it's actually said to be based on the

00:41:09.560 murdoch family and the murdoch empire which is very interesting there are four roy children all

00:41:15.580 with very distinct personalities that grown adults now but um yeah they're all kind of like fighting

00:41:20.180 for the company and it's also produced by Will Ferrell and Adam McKay who did Don't Look Up

00:41:25.580 and The Big Short which two very very good films so yeah I would recommend it um I couldn't

00:41:33.060 personally binge it we were watching like one episode a night which is still like quite fast

00:41:38.420 but anyway yeah couldn't watch more than one episode because it's like very like um jargon

00:41:44.220 heavy and like sometimes it can just feel a bit heavy but it's nice in bite-sized doses so there

00:41:50.980 you go yeah everyone's talking about this when they had their weekly drops like season two or

00:41:56.440 whatever hoofed every every week it was like the euphoria but for the adults yeah yeah for like

00:42:03.400 gen x yeah but i'm glad you're enjoying that yeah all right well thanks for another fun episode

00:42:11.380 yay and thanks for tuning in everybody um we also see your spotify review stars that you've

00:42:18.420 been giving us so really appreciate that oh yes spotify um but yes we hope you have a lovely week

00:42:27.200 ahead um sending out love to you as well and we'll talk to you next week bye-bye bye

00:42:41.380 Thank you.

Culture Club - January 31, 2022

Sex Sells, But Should It？

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