Culture Club - July 31, 2023


The Democratisation Of Home Cooking With Jessica Nguyen

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00:00:00.000 My home cooking is healing, bouncing back from redundancy, and bouncing career and incoming
00:00:12.600 motherhood. I'm Jasmine. And I'm Maggie, and you're listening to Culture Club. This
00:00:17.340 is our monthly interview with a person we find interesting and that we think you will
00:00:21.780 too. We acknowledge that the Wurundjeri Woiwurrung people are the traditional custodians of the
00:00:33.220 land upon which we live, work and record this podcast. We would like to pay our respects to
00:00:38.540 elders past and present. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. You've most likely seen Jessica
00:00:47.100 Nguyen's home cooking recipes splashed across your social media feeds. With over 100,000 followers
00:00:52.820 on Instagram, Jess is inspiring thousands to cook, drink and host. She's created a cult favorite
00:00:59.040 chili oil and has worked with some of Australia's biggest brands. Today we're joined by Jess to chat
00:01:05.360 about the importance of culture and food, how she pivoted her career from beauty and what the future
00:01:11.460 of content creating looks like for her. Thanks so much for joining us today Jess. My absolute
00:01:17.420 pleasure. Thanks for having me. Can you please tell us about you and what you do? Yes I am a home
00:01:25.300 cook and I'm a creative who shares a lot of recipes, dinner party inspo on my Instagram,
00:01:34.540 TikTok and Pinterest and I've been doing this for a little over three years now. Okay following you
00:01:41.260 on Pinterest straight away I didn't know that so I'm gonna go yeah I never really push it but
00:01:46.760 um it is another platform that I am on uh so if you're a Pinterest person then yeah definitely
00:01:54.880 follow me there and obviously being a home cook food is very important to you and your content
00:02:02.380 etc so where did your love of food come from and what does it mean to you sure um
00:02:09.900 I think the love has always been there you know being a Vietnamese Australian it's part of the
00:02:19.340 culture food's how you show love and connect with people so I have like very fond memories of being
00:02:28.220 a kid and having my parents always cook amazing meals taking me to the markets on a Saturday and
00:02:35.860 Sunday and constantly being around food whether that was in the kitchen watching my grandparents
00:02:42.340 or parents cook but I guess as you know I've grown up cooking then became more of a therapeutic
00:02:53.760 meditative activity for me I used to love coming home from work and then just focusing half an
00:03:03.220 hour and making dinner. And then on the weekends, I'd normally pick a really challenging or new
00:03:09.920 recipe that I'd never done before and decide to make that for a Saturday night dinner for friends.
00:03:16.160 So yeah, it's always just been something that's just part of who I am. And then in the last three
00:03:23.200 years, it became something that I turned into a career. I love having followed, been following
00:03:31.120 you for the last few years and seeing kind of this beautiful evolution and some of the I feel
00:03:36.260 like some of the food or dishes you're kind of known for so when I think of you I do think of
00:03:40.800 like your 2020 focatchas and your like various pastas that you've made throughout the years
00:03:47.120 one other thing that I've loved seeing as well is seeing a lot of Vietnamese dishes that you
00:03:53.280 have shared with the audience some beautiful desserts and salads and everything in between
00:03:58.700 was this a conscious choice for you to I guess mix your own heritage and your culture's cooking
00:04:06.560 into your content I'd say it's a bit of both in terms of being conscious but also
00:04:13.240 natural too because they're flavors that I absolutely love and know they're just like
00:04:20.300 part of my muscle memory you know I'm always putting in heaps of herbs there's always
00:04:28.600 fish sauce in one of my marinades whether it's like in my pastas like my ragu or my broths
00:04:35.760 um so I think it's just part of who I am um that I've naturally integrated it but
00:04:42.940 definitely in you know the last I'd say two years I've been a bit more actively conscious about
00:04:51.400 trying to showcase Vietnamese cuisine and bringing up a lot of old school dishes, childhood
00:05:01.220 nostalgic dishes, and ones that you probably wouldn't really expect or have probably tried
00:05:08.520 before at a Vietnamese restaurant. Because interestingly enough, a lot of people will
00:05:13.120 always ask me, you know, where's the best place to eat Vietnamese food? And I don't have a restaurant
00:05:18.240 I love because I genuinely think Vietnamese food is best enjoyed in someone's home that cooks for
00:05:26.000 you because there's so much complexity and there's a lot of generosity in Vietnamese cooking from
00:05:33.020 like the marinades to the sauces to the way everything's made it's quite intricate and
00:05:38.560 and highly detailed um to like the very elaborate broths that take anywhere between like 24 to 48
00:05:45.860 hours so um yeah it's it's been something that I really want to showcase um especially
00:05:55.000 as a food creator because I think it's a great way for me to connect with my culture but I really
00:06:02.740 want to get people more excited about the other dishes beyond the banh mi and like what you would
00:06:11.700 normally think of when you think of Vietnamese cuisine. 100%. I so relate to what you were
00:06:17.360 saying about how sometimes the best meals from a culture come from a home-cooked meal from someone's
00:06:22.700 home because I used to have such trouble trying to describe what Chinese food to me was to other
00:06:29.780 people because I love also going out to Chinese restaurants and such but I mean China as a
00:06:35.640 country is massive. The cuisines from different provinces vary so much and restaurants vary so
00:06:40.960 much that what I was eating out at Chinese restaurants, I'd never had at my own house.
00:06:45.720 So it is incredible to have that home cooked experience. Do you think you could actually
00:06:51.760 tell us about some of your favorite Vietnamese dishes? Yeah, definitely. I totally agree with
00:06:57.520 what you said about Chinese cuisine as well. Like Vietnamese cuisine is just like that too,
00:07:03.120 where you could just travel 10 kilometers to another province. And there is such a difference
00:07:08.460 between the way even just one noodle soup is made like for example the way that the north in Hanoi
00:07:15.660 cook pho is very different to the southern version in Saigon um so yeah I there's always
00:07:25.200 so many nuances and even like my own Vietnamese friends um we have discussions about you know
00:07:32.620 the differences between how we cook different dishes but my favorite dishes that um uh like
00:07:43.100 my childhood dishes I think the good thing about Vietnamese food is it's highly communal um so
00:07:49.220 a lot of my favorite ones that I've remembered from like family family gatherings are just when
00:07:56.160 we cook a beautiful protein and then we wrap it into rice paper rolls because that's how you
00:08:02.600 that's how you would actually enjoy rice paper rolls so I did a dinner party recently where I
00:08:08.940 baked a whole barramundi um marinate in a whole lot of aromatics and then that got served on the
00:08:17.000 table and it got wrapped into rice paper rolls but then um over the years and growing up in
00:08:24.600 my family we started experimenting with you know local produce and different flavors so
00:08:31.340 my parents have come up with their own version of a really cool rice paper roll which is actually
00:08:36.840 kangaroo that's been marinated in like lemongrass and sesame seeds and it's
00:08:43.640 grilled on a hot plate kind of like kind of like Korean barbecue yeah but um when the kangaroo gets
00:08:51.340 really charry um it's just got like such a nice flavor and that's like a really nice
00:08:56.900 summery type of rice paper roll where you could like eat that outside with everyone
00:09:01.060 um so those kind of dishes are really fun and I think they're really typical of home style
00:09:07.980 Vietnamese um and then you know you've got things like bun sale which is like the Vietnamese sizzling
00:09:14.540 crepes that are also shared but there's just so many like even right now in the thick of winter
00:09:22.140 I'm really gravitating to beautiful noodle soup so I recently made for my dad's birthday my best
00:09:30.740 friend's birthday last weekend and then a dinner party recently this dish called bankan and it's
00:09:38.060 these beautiful tapioca noodles they're very similar to Japanese boudon where they've got
00:09:44.420 a bit of chew to them um and I make them myself from scratch which is really fun and it's a lot
00:09:51.720 easier than Italian pasta we use a potato ricer to extrude it so it looks like kind of like
00:09:59.040 little like little yet white worms and you boil it up but it's just got such a nice consistency
00:10:05.620 and normally you'd have that in a broth with like crabs and prawn and pork like it's yeah I love a
00:10:13.180 broth that's um seafood and meat like a surf and turf because you just get the best of both worlds
00:10:18.500 in terms of flavor but yeah sorry I could go on I love it I love hearing what people are so
00:10:24.600 passionate about and I'm glad it's lunchtime so we can like it won't be these delicious meals but
00:10:29.100 we'll be able to eat something soon strategically had lunch just before this because I was like I
00:10:33.200 I can't be hungry. So before you mentioned that you've only been doing, you know, your content
00:10:39.860 creation for a couple of years and you've written about it before, but back in 2020, you were made
00:10:44.780 redundant in your marketing and PR role. Can you please chat to us about that experience and how
00:10:50.160 you kind of created a whole new career off the back of it? So that was over three years ago now,
00:10:55.660 And it happened to me just before the start of the first lockdown in Melbourne, so March 2020.
00:11:05.940 And it was the first time I've ever lost my job.
00:11:10.600 So it was pretty difficult.
00:11:12.940 And it was also quite scary because the world was highly uncertain.
00:11:18.360 and at the time I didn't really know what I would do next
00:11:23.440 because being in a marketing and PR role,
00:11:27.240 a lot of those roles were not available.
00:11:30.880 So I guess I just took the first part of lockdown,
00:11:37.340 like the first month or so and I just said to myself,
00:11:39.560 like I'm just going to go back to doing something that I really love
00:11:43.980 and I'm just going to start cooking all the recipes
00:11:46.120 that I never got a chance to do and just take some time out for myself. And I'd always
00:11:53.860 sporadically shared recipes on what was my personal Instagram. Still is my personal Instagram. It's
00:12:00.100 just a business now too. But I started doing that. I was just sharing what I was cooking,
00:12:07.220 what I was eating and making. And then that just became a very natural catalyst for people to use
00:12:14.680 as a resource during lockdown to make a simple pasta for dinner
00:12:20.420 or try a really fun dish.
00:12:23.100 And I even did really fun things like I had a Friday night
00:12:27.200 live cooking segment where I would release the ingredients.
00:12:31.640 Well, I'd release the recipe at the start of the week
00:12:33.960 of what I'd be cooking and I'd encourage people to cook
00:12:37.660 with me live on the Friday night at like 7pm.
00:12:40.660 So I'd release the ingredients on a Tuesday so everyone
00:12:43.640 can go off and get what they want like what they need and then we'd all cook it together and then
00:12:49.760 it just became a really fun activity to amuse everyone on Friday but then learn a new skill so
00:12:55.880 it's crazy that was back when everyone was doing Instagram lives but I think
00:13:00.520 just kind of dedicating that time to something that I love just naturally became my new job
00:13:10.020 because yeah it just there was such a need for people um to learn how to cook um get a bit like
00:13:19.680 gain more confidence in cooking and that's just really how it just took off and now three years
00:13:25.040 on I'm still doing it full-time um and it's really fun I'm still really loving it that's so good to
00:13:33.860 yeah and especially because in our in our rocky year that's still going on nowadays you know
00:13:42.080 we're in our 20s and so many of our friends actually this year have gone through redundancies
00:13:47.060 and reject and rejections and I'm wondering did you have any advice to people who might be
00:13:53.520 listening who have gone through something like that um on how to overcome such a curve curveball
00:13:59.440 Yeah, absolutely. I think it's so funny how cyclical everything is because I even have very close friends who are currently going through their own job losses and redundancies because so many businesses are restructured for this current economic climate.
00:14:17.120 it I'm in my 30s so I'm turning 34 this year so I was in a life stage where I'd spent
00:14:25.440 the past decade um in the marketing and PR industry mainly within the beauty industry
00:14:32.900 um so when I got made redundant it was really shocking and quite scary for me because I held
00:14:41.220 so much of my identity to my career that I'd built but having said that because I'd
00:14:48.240 had at least 10 years of experience it was a really good opportunity for me to just
00:14:55.900 take a step back and reassess and figure out what I really wanted to do because
00:15:02.500 honestly I was a bit over um the beauty industry and like selling lipsticks
00:15:08.880 and for me it was just like okay if you don't have a job you don't have money and you don't have
00:15:16.720 any other commitments like what would you do and for me it was I just want to cook
00:15:20.820 and then that naturally became um my job so I think it's always yeah it's always nice to
00:15:29.760 reflect on this and have hindsight but it's always like the start of change and I think it's
00:15:40.220 really positive change so um I would always just see it as an opportunity to redefine who you are
00:15:49.460 and where you want to go so yeah you definitely did your story reminds me of like a modern day
00:15:56.320 julie and julia have you seen that movie i love that movie i actually recently re-watched it
00:16:01.620 because i think i got served on like netflix and yeah yeah like you know not really particularly
00:16:07.700 happy in a job but then like you love food so yeah that story reminds me of that but with instagram
00:16:12.820 um i actually first came across you and your work through everyone posting about chili oil
00:16:20.220 and everything during lockdown and i love chili and i was like who is this woman oh she's local
00:16:25.220 melbourne person and so we wanted to know what was the story behind chili oil on everything which
00:16:31.920 is your own brand of chili oil for people who aren't in the know and how did this come to be
00:16:36.460 yeah so um like i said i back in 2020 i was sporadically sharing recipes so i think i
00:16:47.860 i made some dumplings once and there was um i had chili oil and someone asked me oh how do you make
00:16:54.260 that so I decided to release that as a recipe so I released it in February 2020 before I got
00:16:59.260 made redundant so it was one of the first recipes that I had on my Instagram that was saved in a
00:17:05.380 highlight it still is to this day actually if you scroll through my archives um and it because of
00:17:13.100 that it became one of the most made recipes of mine especially in 2020 um and it just had this
00:17:23.880 like I don't know there was so so much momentum behind it I think chili oil was having a moment
00:17:30.460 just like banana bread was in 2020 as one of those cult recipes you made in lockdown and so
00:17:37.880 halfway through that year I had a friend who had a apron business and she wanted to do like a fun
00:17:47.420 giveaway and I decided to make three jars of my chili oil and give it away as a as a prize
00:17:55.200 and that just went as close to viral as it could back in the day and so it became an idea for me
00:18:04.300 to say hey what if I was to make and sell this as a product and so by November 2020 I made a
00:18:15.560 thousand jars of chili oil in collaboration with my friend who had an apron business and we sold
00:18:22.240 through all of those over the Christmas period and it sold out really quickly so then it just
00:18:29.300 became a brand and a product and for me it was one of the really rewarding projects because
00:18:39.060 I was able to channel my experience in marketing PR and use that for my own brand and experiment
00:18:48.760 on something that I've never done before which is food manufacturing so it was like a really fun
00:18:58.580 way to just like take an idea run with it and see how it would be received and it was so well
00:19:06.320 received um by my community and I still it's it's still there as a business but it is still very
00:19:15.020 small batch a thousand jars made over a weekend with my parents um and I still make it in my
00:19:23.700 friend's kitchen who has that apron business cargo crew it's really wholesome it's like it's a really
00:19:28.620 nice hobby I just haven't made a new batch this year because um I've just got a lot of things
00:19:34.200 going on including um being pregnant and having my first baby soon so yeah it's a highly physical
00:19:40.520 thing you're making 250 liters of chili oil at a time and you're like hand labeling hand packing
00:19:46.520 um so that's on the back burner but I just think it's a really great story on and I guess again
00:19:57.220 like inspiration for people to be like you know if you have a really cool idea if you always wanted
00:20:01.980 to pursue something like you can and um there's evidence in like if you can build a community
00:20:08.800 around it they'll get behind it so your work is so tied in with you as a person it's recipes you
00:20:15.800 love you know we're seeing so much of yourself you know popped on your different social media
00:20:21.960 pages and my question is is it hard to separate work from hobby because this was only like maybe
00:20:29.640 a couple months ago or something. I remember seeing on your stories, you were talking about
00:20:33.680 how you purposely wanted to cook something for yourself without having to post content or the
00:20:38.820 recipe. You're like, this is just for me. Yeah. So I just wanted to ask you about that.
00:20:45.100 Yeah. There is always that struggle when you turn your passion or your hobby into a career,
00:20:54.040 because once money is tied to it then it can feel like a burden and a pressure and then
00:21:02.780 it can make you resent what you do like we all have our days we're like we're all oh I hate my
00:21:08.660 job um but I've been very conscious of that um in my business because everything is really focused
00:21:17.260 on cooking and recipes and sharing that with everyone and I try as much as possible not to
00:21:22.920 gatekeep all of my information but at the same time in order to preserve that love for food and
00:21:32.320 cooking I have those days where I make a recipe and no one sees it but it's just because I really
00:21:40.660 want to and it allows me to fall back in love with the reason why I do what I do so like even
00:21:48.000 this afternoon i think i'm planning to like make a really fun apple pie um but with like you know
00:21:54.300 that beautiful basket weave kind of lattice oh yeah um crust topping like and then you can like
00:22:00.200 make little patterns those kind of recipes where like there's a bit of creativity and expression
00:22:05.800 behind it and like intricacy are the ones that i really enjoy um so i'll do stuff like that or
00:22:13.320 I'll get my parents over and we'll cook a really fun Vietnamese dish that I haven't done before
00:22:19.960 um that they'll show me so I think that's important in for everyone especially if you're a
00:22:26.780 creative who um your hobby or your passion is your job because you do have to carve that time
00:22:35.360 out to still appreciate and love it for what it is and without you know clients and jobs and
00:22:43.120 work attached to it yeah I think Maggie and I can definitely relate to that being writers getting
00:22:48.700 paid to write and then you know we obviously started it because we love it but yeah it's hard
00:22:53.860 to like carve out that time and also not show anyone like I know with like creative writing
00:22:58.780 it's like I can write something I don't have to show it to anyone but you have this like almost
00:23:02.300 compulsion when you're like creating content or like getting paid for it you're like I need like
00:23:06.900 what's the point of it and you have to like remind yourself that no it's for you and your soul and
00:23:12.460 your needs and stuff so definitely resonate with that absolutely I think it's even like so for
00:23:18.060 example last night I was just like craving a beautiful prawn linguine so I sometimes what
00:23:25.380 I'll make for dinner I'll share with people but that's just more of like um here's what I'm eating
00:23:31.320 here's what I'm craving um but there's no like yeah recipe attached to it because it was like
00:23:36.700 this was just me in my kitchen having fun and I was like oh I've got to share it because like
00:23:42.160 I love food so much but yeah I think as long as you can have that time for yourself to still enjoy
00:23:49.380 what you do then you won't resent it as much yeah when you're having a bad day yeah and also
00:23:58.360 on social media you like you don't only just post about food you've posted about like fashion you've
00:24:04.440 done like collabs with decor and homeware brands and travel etc but I feel like people can be very
00:24:12.140 strict and rigid in what they expect from people on social media and like staying within your niche
00:24:17.400 so how has it been navigating social media content creation and like not just staying
00:24:25.640 within the cooking lane like it feels like you're across a lot of lifestyle niches yeah absolutely
00:24:32.020 i i guess i have always treated my instagram as my page it was always my personal page that's why
00:24:42.820 it's just my name um and going into it as a business my core values and like my reason for
00:24:54.480 existing on a platform especially Instagram is to always add value to people so to educate or
00:25:02.220 to inspire them so it's to teach them how to cook a recipe or to give them inspiration on
00:25:07.740 how to throw together a menu or host people for a dinner party and I think
00:25:13.880 the whole kind of strategy of me diversifying is definitely from a business sense but it's
00:25:24.140 also just me personally like if I you know given my background in beauty there's times where I will
00:25:29.600 share things about beauty and I will share things about fashion or travel or what I'm doing or where
00:25:34.980 I'm going that's just literally my life but if I think it could add value to people and help them
00:25:42.560 out then that's why I share it so yeah but then also from a content creator perspective I like
00:25:51.540 to have diversity in what I do and I think again like goes back to the business where
00:25:56.380 I don't always want to be sharing recipes because that that can get monotonous and boring and I'd
00:26:03.180 like I like having different clients I like being able to challenge myself creatively
00:26:07.920 but I think from also the perspective of people putting content creators in boxes I think that's
00:26:15.260 quite reductive because we're all people who have multiple interests so and my my content
00:26:22.260 definitely changes and it has changed throughout the three years that I've done I've done it as
00:26:27.920 a business even now I'm starting to share some tidbits about my pregnancy journey and what I'm
00:26:33.560 going through and um yeah that's my choice to share and then it's also people's choice to
00:26:40.340 follow and continue to follow me so true I find it really interesting to see kind of where the
00:26:47.520 social media landscape is at nowadays when it's around food because I was just thinking like a
00:26:53.240 good maybe I don't know seven years ago tasty buzzfeed videos you know they're really like the
00:26:58.460 the camera down the kind of um sped up videos of those like 30 second videos but all the rage like
00:27:05.600 I used to be addicted to watching them on Facebook and YouTube and nowadays my TikTok
00:27:12.400 has such a variety of content from people cooking with leftovers to like zero waste home cooks to
00:27:19.340 dinner parties and stuff and I'm just wondering what do you think this will continue to look like
00:27:24.940 in the next few years? Sorry just pop the future of an industry. No I really I know I really love
00:27:33.620 But I think, I do think that the pandemic was a catalyst and an incubator to push and
00:27:46.960 promote home cooks, people who didn't have any like technical knowledge or experience. 0.76
00:27:56.940 And that is an example of myself because I do, I do agree.
00:28:00.340 like you had your BuzzFeed Tasty like food publications
00:28:05.140 that was pushing out food content, you had your celebrity chefs
00:28:08.180 who were either on broadcast media with like a social presence
00:28:12.720 but you didn't really have food content creators
00:28:15.780 and I think a lot of them rose to prominence over the last two
00:28:22.380 to three years because of the lockdowns
00:28:25.540 and then also because of the introduction of TikTok.
00:28:30.340 um that's been really key and it's just been so nice to see that community grow especially
00:28:38.040 because I've seen so like the presence of a lot of females in food um where it used to be quite
00:28:45.260 male dominated um and I think like it would just only grow and grow and I like the fact that
00:28:54.980 um it's just very much so democratized food where like anyone can kind of try or share
00:29:04.380 and you don't have to be you know a culinary chef you can literally be a girl in your kitchen
00:29:13.860 like me I don't know I think what I'm seeing now is um I guess a lot of people like myself
00:29:25.560 they're they're moving on they're expanding so they've either got um food product lines or
00:29:31.240 they've got books or they now are getting profiled and promoted on um broadcast channels
00:29:40.740 like they're getting their own Netflix series or they are becoming the guest judges on food
00:29:48.420 reality TV shows so I think it's really good it's shaking up the food media landscape which I think
00:29:56.820 it really needed totally and hopefully yeah make it more diverse and yeah I love that term like
00:30:02.240 democratization of the food industry yeah super interesting and you mentioned earlier that you
00:30:08.980 are expecting a little baby congratulations thank you very excited to be a mom and you shared it in
00:30:15.880 mid-June and how have you been feeling you know about 23 weeks in yeah really good I have been
00:30:24.340 pretty blessed to have had a very good pregnancy so far it's been really fun because I'm so in
00:30:33.460 tune with my palate and my taste so the biggest change has been noticing how I have gravitated
00:30:42.540 towards food and taste so like for example before I didn't know I was pregnant I had this raging
00:30:49.380 obsession with like fruit I was like eating fruit back in March like there was no tomorrow
00:30:57.780 i was just like why and then i also i'm not a sweet tooth so i i didn't used to eat um desserts
00:31:10.320 i didn't use to eat chocolate and then one day i just ate like a bag of chocolate at the shop
00:31:17.240 like at the supermarket before i even got to like the car and i was just like who am i and then i
00:31:24.020 started making desserts and I was just like why am I doing this and then I literally found and
00:31:31.100 then my friends were like um you are 15 days like for your period you really need to take a test
00:31:37.000 and I finally did it and then I was like okay I'm pregnant and that explains everything it's been
00:31:42.260 really interesting to see how I've shifted in terms of my taste and what I'm sharing so for
00:31:48.240 example I used to have a content pillow which was like a Friday cocktail segment obviously
00:31:54.080 I'm not consuming alcohol anymore but in its place I've just had a massive urge to always be
00:32:01.800 eating something sweet so I'm sharing recipes like I made a vanilla slice that I shared I've
00:32:09.260 been baking little mini cookies that you can have with your coffee in the afternoon I want to make
00:32:16.120 an apple pie this afternoon so yeah like you could just tell things are changing but um it's it's a
00:32:24.720 really fun yeah it's a fun new era that I'm stepping into this year oh god I'm just so happy
00:32:32.260 for you it was so funny because my boyfriend actually like we were out in public and he's like
00:32:37.560 and I was like what and he's like did you see and I was like no and he like showed me his phone
00:32:43.440 with your pregnancy announcement and I actually like made a noise out loud that like someone like
00:32:50.120 turned around and looked at me because I'm just so happy and it's a really exciting time um 0.98
00:32:56.500 parasocial relationships oh my god Jess is like what the fuck this is so nuts it's still wild to 0.71
00:33:04.480 me when people go oh my god my boyfriend made this or like you know and he saw that you're 0.95
00:33:09.440 pregnant I find that just so weird because yeah I still think of myself as just who I am and not
00:33:16.680 like someone with like a hundred yeah when you when you do get those anecdotes from people it's
00:33:24.860 pretty wild but I'm so glad he was so happy for you I know we both are I have been sending him
00:33:31.380 your recipes for so long waiting for him to make something we're still waiting out
00:33:36.460 um but on the conversation of motherhood as well um you know jazz and i have talked about this a
00:33:43.560 lot a lot of our friends have as well but there is this existing tension between motherhood and
00:33:48.560 career and i'm just wondering was that something that you relate to that you had to kind of think
00:33:53.740 through as well yeah absolutely i yeah like i said i've always been very career oriented and
00:34:01.240 It was always my belief that I need to establish myself in my career before I then think about marriage and kids and all of that.
00:34:12.080 So that is pretty reflective of my career to date where I spent, you know, 10 years in a corporate role.
00:34:18.940 um but even now I think um you're always going to grapple with it because I'm in a very different
00:34:27.740 circumstance these days where I run and own my own business so now the tension is about
00:34:35.040 how long should I take off as a mother because I I won't get given maternity leave
00:34:43.520 like other people who work in companies but I get to dictate when that is but then I also have to
00:34:49.640 make a strategic decision on when that should be so yeah there's always there's always going to be 0.78
00:34:57.320 that issue for women but I do think it has come a long way in becoming a lot more flexible and
00:35:04.780 I'm very lucky in my role that is mainly based from home that I will be able to probably straddle
00:35:12.400 both um and for example um it's a really good situation for me because my husband has been
00:35:23.100 approved for paternity leave so he'll be able to be present with me in the first couple of months
00:35:28.360 which is going to be super special and that is not something that was available you know a couple
00:35:35.660 of years ago and I even honestly don't think that was some like motherhood for me and being a very
00:35:42.320 present mother but also good at my job was not something I saw I would have been able to do in
00:35:48.740 my previous roles in corporate um so yeah I'm you're always going to grapple with that but
00:35:55.700 I think I'm in the best position to be able to now manage it on my own terms um but yeah it's
00:36:02.980 going to be a balancing and juggling act for sure yeah it is so nice to hear some like positive
00:36:09.620 um associations with pregnancy and motherhood and career because it feels like at the moment
00:36:16.700 there's a lot of like as it should be like these conversations are really important about like
00:36:20.880 the mental load that mothers take on and like motherhood in western society etc and that I
00:36:26.360 don't know it just freaks me out so much I'm like well what am I going to do so it's really nice to
00:36:30.780 like hear from women a few years down the track who are like making it work and being positive
00:36:35.620 because it is happy time and it is something that we should look forward to but sometimes
00:36:39.460 especially on Instagram it can feel like oh my god like is it gonna ruin my life you know what
00:36:43.440 I mean like no I definitely had that fear um a couple years back but I think yeah it has come
00:36:50.220 a long way especially a lot of workplaces that are being a lot more flexible um about motherhood
00:36:57.220 and returning to work and also um sharing that responsibility with you know the father and both
00:37:03.300 parents so um it's a positive time I think for me yes and we can't wait to see that journey unfold
00:37:11.240 on your Instagram even further if you choose to of course but that's a whole nother thing yeah
00:37:16.860 that's a whole nother we could keep going on that conversation as well yeah 100% we sadly don't
00:37:23.160 have the time to get into all that but whatever you do I'm sure we'll be fine um so every week
00:37:29.920 on our podcast we give our listeners recommendations on what we've enjoyed reading
00:37:33.840 listening to or watching lately and can you share a recommendation that you've been loving recently
00:37:38.740 yes I can I've got two um in terms of watching I love food shows and food movies so this should
00:37:51.840 really come as no surprise. But I recently saw Flaming Hot, which is a biopic of Richard Montagnez,
00:38:02.460 who was an ex-janitor at Fritos. And then he rose to become a top executive. He became the
00:38:09.460 multicultural marketing manager for Frito Lays and was linked to inventing the Flaming Hot Cheetos.
00:38:15.960 um it's a movie that is on disney plus it's directed by eva longoria it's a great underdog
00:38:24.080 story and also a great origin story for a food product if you're a big foodie and love
00:38:29.700 especially spicy snacks like flaming hot cheetos but um i just thought it was very wholesome
00:38:36.400 it was really inspiring um it was great representation for um the latino community
00:38:45.640 and I loved that it was someone like Eva Longoria
00:38:51.180 who was a director and sharing that story.
00:38:55.840 So, yeah, if you love the intersection
00:38:58.220 between a really fun food movie
00:39:03.460 and like an underdog food origin story,
00:39:06.940 then, yeah, go see that because that was a really fun watch.
00:39:11.680 And then my second recommendation for listening
00:39:15.120 is not a specific song or anything but I recently did a dinner party and obviously I share a lot of
00:39:24.520 dinner party inspiration on how to host a party or pull together a menu and one of the things I
00:39:30.580 did was I asked all my guests to send through three songs like one song that gave them goosebumps
00:39:37.220 one song that they were really loving and one song that they'd play at their own dinner party
00:39:41.520 and then I got that a week before and I compiled that into a playlist that I played on the night
00:39:48.580 and that was just to get everyone in the mood and to feel comfy and also just to connect um and that
00:39:54.700 was really fun because I felt like it just diversified my music because I feel some like
00:40:01.140 like sometimes I am listening to the same stuff all the time based on my algorithm or just my
00:40:08.460 preferences so um i feel like if you want to shake up what you're listening to music wise it's a
00:40:14.840 really good way um to to change it up but then also you have a really fun playlist that you can
00:40:22.020 have for your next dinner party that's so fun i love that yeah like a meta recommendation
00:40:29.160 almost yeah and flaming hot sounds amazing it only came out this year as well so it's a
00:40:36.200 it's a good good recommendation for all of us i i love a food movie so very excited to watch that
00:40:42.420 um thank you so much jess for joining us today it's been such a pleasure
00:40:47.300 having you on um if our listeners want to see more of you which i'm sure they do where can
00:40:53.040 they find you so i am mainly on instagram so my handle is jessica underscore new and underscore
00:41:01.760 But otherwise, I'm also on TikTok and Pinterest and most recently, Threads.
00:41:10.080 We'll see how that one goes.
00:41:12.180 I'm intrigued.
00:41:13.140 I still need to figure that out and see if that lasts the distance.
00:41:17.600 But yeah, you can find me in most places.
00:41:21.280 Otherwise, you can access all of my recipes for free on my website at jessicanewan.com.au.
00:41:27.920 Incredible.
00:41:29.120 Well, thank you so much for sharing with us and for your time today.
00:41:32.140 Thank you so much for having me.
00:41:32.660 It was a pleasure to chat to you both.