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00:00:55.040 Hello, hello. It's so nice to chat with you.

00:01:00.060 Oh, so nice to see you too, Jasmine. Welcome to season four of Culture Club and we are now recording in 2022.

00:01:09.320 So look at that. Time flies.

00:01:12.040 Time flies when you're having fun recording your life for the internet.

00:01:16.060 We actually have barely spoken over the holidays.

00:01:19.780 I know.

00:01:20.300 I feel like we've become more colleagues and friends.

00:01:24.520 but how was your break how have you been yeah it's been pretty weird I feel like everyone can

00:01:31.060 kind of relate to just having this Christmas and like holiday period just being so weird and whack

00:01:37.580 like I've had good times and bad times you know I just came back from Hobart this week which was

00:01:44.300 so lovely I went with Tom just a lot of eating at lovely restaurants I love walking like it was just

00:01:51.160 so nice to just take a breather from Melbourne because you know my Christmas day was totally

00:01:55.740 thrown by a close contact and I was I've been in so many COVID lines this um holiday break I'm like

00:02:02.460 my goodness it's just been wild yeah you managed to avoid COVID obviously yes thankfully yeah so

00:02:09.960 we culture club as of this moment touch wood is COVID free so none of us have had COVID which

00:02:16.920 feels quite rare to be honest I know it feels like the bloody hunger games and like every time

00:02:21.700 one of our friends posts like that you've got COVID it's like another one um yeah but your

00:02:27.360 Tasmania holiday looks like a foodie paradise like just eating out and like what's Hobart like

00:02:35.120 I've never been oh it's so nice I've been like this is the second time the last time it was like

00:02:40.620 seven years ago or something and it's like super quaint um kind of country town vibes because

00:02:48.580 everyone's really lovely and there's a lot of like old buildings god I don't know much about

00:02:53.200 but um great produce there everyone's really welcoming the nature's like just so beautiful

00:03:00.640 um it's really nice but honestly the style of holiday I go on like this has been

00:03:05.460 consecutive throughout my holidays it's just all about food I will plan like a day around like oh

00:03:11.480 I'm gonna go to that place for dinner or whatever but that's so it brings me so much joy so I mean

00:03:16.400 not complaining oh that's nice yeah I'm not like that at all on holiday I don't even think about

00:03:22.040 restaurants and stuff I don't know I'm just like what do you do that's a good point I like wander

00:03:28.260 around and just see where the moment takes me classic air sign like dreamland fairy fairy fairy

00:03:35.840 let's just go with the flow kind of stuff um but i was very jealous and your pictures made me want

00:03:42.560 to visit tassie which is so weird living in melbourne but like it's it's close but like

00:03:47.120 you just don't really think of it as like a holiday destination i really want to go to tassie

00:03:51.720 so oh my god me too me too yeah more of south australia but you are interstate at the moment

00:04:00.540 yes i am i am if i sound different that's because i'm using like a makeshift microphone that my

00:04:08.260 sister helped set up um because i am still in queensland i feel like it's deja vu

00:04:14.700 from last year when i was like i'm just coming for a holiday and then i ended up staying for

00:04:18.420 six months. It's not that intense, but same reasoning really. I came up to Queensland for

00:04:25.620 Christmas. I was planning on leaving two days ago, but obviously all the COVID cases in Melbourne

00:04:31.680 like popped off in the last couple of weeks. And when I'm at home, I live with like a vulnerable

00:04:38.120 household and I'm going to Sydney in a few weeks to another vulnerable household to help my cousin

00:04:44.480 um look after her child while she has a second child so um basically yeah long story short I was

00:04:51.080 going between two vulnerable households and I didn't want to travel on a plane go through two

00:04:54.640 airports just to like go home to Melbourne for like a week and a half turn around get back on

00:04:59.820 a plane go to Sydney so I'm just kind of bypassing Melbourne and I'll be in Sydney on the 22nd but

00:05:07.860 I'll be in a you know COVID safe bubble for a good few weeks because I'll be around a newborn baby

00:05:13.540 year which is very cute little bubble but yeah the summer is just like like what you said it's

00:05:19.960 so not what we expected it's also been like high hopes i know i saw your tweet what was it

00:05:29.620 um hot girl summer turn into flop girl summer real quick

00:05:34.200 yeah because we were very very good our friends and i kitch and juju were talking about how we

00:05:42.320 were like this is gonna be the best summer ever like everyone's vaccinated let's go to the beach

00:05:46.600 every day and like party and i just want to be outside drinking april spritz and you know if

00:05:52.900 people either have covid or it's raining like la nina is really um coming out as well it's been

00:05:59.000 raining or overcast every day i've been here in queensland i'm like what is going on so yeah

00:06:05.220 anyway we're safe and healthy and like that's the most important thing right now i feel like

00:06:09.520 that's very lucky right now so yeah anyway I've had a good break and it's just been nice to be

00:06:15.040 with my family yeah and as a side note your nails look so good thank you got them done

00:06:21.020 I didn't get them done I got like press on my sister and I got press on so they're fake they

00:06:25.760 look so good they look love it yes yeah like a long moment love it yeah I'm finding it hard to

00:06:32.920 type so I don't know how it'll go when we go back to work this week but I kind of make sense why

00:06:38.800 like people like i don't know cardi b and stuff have super long nails because they don't have to

00:06:42.280 type on a computer all day but you know when people sorry side note but you know when people

00:06:47.460 have really long nails and then they have to like type with like their fingers like 90 degrees like

00:06:53.380 what no like 180 degrees parallel to like the keys literally anyway that's what i was like

00:06:59.220 when i was writing these notes today so i'm like oh god i write all day for work what am i gonna do

00:07:04.780 but yeah they're worth it for the aesthetic you can't see them but they're pink and red

00:07:09.560 and the other hand is like pink and red with little flowers so very on brand okay maybe we

00:07:14.560 should put it on our story yeah maybe that we release oh it was on the story today

00:07:18.640 oh yes cute okay but yeah anyway a little moment anyway we have so much pop culture news to get

00:07:27.200 into so shall we we shall yeah so much has happened in the past few weeks um and of course

00:07:36.140 the kardashian clan and their minions have not disappointed their minions oh my god yeah

00:07:44.040 kylie jenner is back on the scene um pictures of her have emerged kind of like tentatively

00:07:51.840 getting back into public eye after of course the astroworld disaster um but i think the biggest

00:07:58.360 thing of course we're starting with the kardashians like we've on we speak about them every episode

00:08:02.960 but they are the culture and the biggest news is that kanye has a new love interest yeah over the

00:08:12.020 past week actress julia fox and kanye have been spotted out and about on dates um it was iconic

00:08:20.000 only a few days ago, the pair was confirmed via a piece for Interview Magazine. Julia herself

00:08:26.700 kind of like wrote a little essay, but it was only two paragraphs. But it went through how they met

00:08:33.760 and she also gave the magazine pictures from a date. Let's read it out actually. Do you want to

00:08:39.900 start? Yeah, since it's only two paragraphs. I met Ye in Miami on New Year's Eve and it was an

00:08:46.800 instant connection his energy is so fun to be around he had me and my friends laughing dancing

00:08:52.580 and smiling all night we decided to keep the energy going and fly back to new york city to

00:08:58.000 see slave play yay's flight landed at six and the play was at seven and he was there on time

00:09:04.540 i was impressed after the play we chose to do dinner at carbon which is one of my favorite

00:09:10.180 restaurants obviously she continues at the restaurant yay directed an entire photo shoot

00:09:16.180 for me while people dined. The whole restaurant loved it and cheered us on while it was happening. 0.84

00:09:22.480 After dinner, Ye had a surprise for me. I mean, I'm still in shock. Ye had an entire hotel suite

00:09:29.220 full of clothes. It was every girl's dream come true. It felt like a real Cinderella moment. I

00:09:35.760 don't know how he did it or how he got all of it there in time, but I was so surprised. Like,

00:09:41.900 who does things like this on a second date or any date everything with us has been so organic

00:09:48.000 I don't know where things are headed but if this is any indication of the future I'm loving the

00:09:54.000 ride this is so interesting to me like their second date and the way she says everything

00:10:03.340 has been so organic yet like let's direct and post a photo shoot for a magazine on our second

00:10:11.460 date it's like i could write an essay on this i swear icon behavior though being like i'm in love

00:10:18.540 with this man because he took instagram photos for me also relatable i feel like we need to

00:10:24.480 reference your article on like weaponized incompetence like oh my god he was there on time

00:10:30.500 what like straight cisgendered man is ever on time uh maybe someone who has like personal

00:10:36.200 assistants and a private jet exactly right um it's like the bare minimum so it's quite interesting

00:10:42.300 right yeah so had you heard of julia fox before this no i hadn't actually neither had i but did 0.88

00:10:51.820 a little pop culture research and found that julia is a 31 year old italian american actress

00:10:58.980 and she's most known for her breakout role in the kind of cult film Uncut Gems opposite Adam Sandler. 0.59

00:11:07.660 She's also a podcasting queen with a pod called Forbidden Fruits which is described as a no-holds-barred

00:11:13.920 cultural commentary by Julia Fox and her co-host Nikki Takesh. Two influential, opinionated and

00:11:20.400 transgressive women with a keen understanding of the current intersection of pop culture, 0.71

00:11:25.120 sex and stigma very interesting given uh what she's currently doing like this is everything

00:11:33.940 pop culture sex appeal yeah I feel like that kind of description of that podcast which I'm yet to

00:11:40.420 listen to feels kind of counter to that essay that she just provided for interview magazine like that

00:11:46.000 that written text was full of um you know exclamation marks in really short sentences

00:11:51.520 and she added like like a few times she kind of dumped herself down in that do you think like you

00:11:56.760 know oh it's a Cinderella moment whereas you know in this podcast she's about cultural commentary

00:12:02.680 and it just is interesting yeah the writing reminded me of like a teenage girl a little bit

00:12:08.800 which is fine if you are a teenage girl not a you know grown woman but interestingly enough Julia

00:12:16.720 is actually an Upper East Sider from New York with a story that reads straight out of Gossip

00:12:21.700 Girl. She spent her teen years in New York City's club scene and actually survived an overdose at 0.94

00:12:26.980 17. She told the Hollywood Reporter, it's kind of a miracle that I'm okay because a lot of the

00:12:33.380 people I grew up with aren't doing so well. They're still on drugs or in jail. A lot of them died.

00:12:39.740 Full on. Yeah, full on, especially because she's only 31 years old, like you said, and it seems

00:12:45.540 like she has led so many lives already one thing that is also very surprising and makes me think

00:12:52.360 we live in a simulation is the fact that pete davidson and julia fox were on the cover of

00:12:58.020 paper magazine together in a break the internet feature which of course started in 2014 when kim

00:13:05.020 kardashian was seen bare naked with the champagne iconic images so it's like a big messy love

00:13:11.900 hexagon at the moment like all of them kind of obviously like Hollywood like that I'm sure it's

00:13:17.720 probably so small and everyone knows everyone but yeah how funny that like the two people who are

00:13:24.880 like the rebounds of Kimye were on a cover of a magazine together when they weren't together in

00:13:30.140 the first place they weren't a couple and then they've kind of swapped like they happen to be

00:13:34.100 on the same cover together yeah no that is very uncanny but maybe who knows it might be some

00:13:41.620 PR stunt something planned a music video people are also saying but we just honestly don't I think

00:13:48.280 that we just don't know like I am so bad my PR goggles are so so bad so I honestly am not too

00:13:56.220 sure but it has been really interesting to see kind of Kim's team or people close to her kind

00:14:02.580 of speak out about this so this was a source from so a source close to her told the sun

00:14:09.360 allegedly um that Kim thinks it's comical Kanye went from begging her to come back to showcasing

00:14:15.740 his new girl all over the city within days she knows it's not serious and is just typical hijinks

00:14:21.900 from Kanye Kim thinks it's another desperate attempt to make her jealous she honestly doesn't

00:14:27.060 care she's very over him at this point so his little game isn't working which I think probably

00:14:32.700 checks out yeah yeah also she's on holiday with Pete Davidson in like Barbados or something right

00:14:37.340 now so i'm sure she is unbothered she's wearing her wire headphones on vacation

00:14:43.440 so i hadn't thought too much of this whole like julia fox kanye thing until i saw a really

00:14:52.300 fascinating tiktok by user foe coco whose bio reads pop culture breakdowns and analysis and

00:15:00.780 And, you know, if you know us, you know, this is right up at Allie.

00:15:04.840 So Faux Coco's hypothesis is that Kanye West is a doll maker. 0.89

00:15:10.460 Which sounds, you know, ridiculous, creepy, and it makes you go, what?

00:15:15.760 But hang in there, listeners, because Jazz shared this TikTok with me

00:15:19.800 and I'm fully on board with this concept.

00:15:22.080 So do you want to walk us through it?

00:15:24.260 Yes.

00:15:24.620 So the video starts with first mentioning that in 2008,

00:15:28.720 Kanye began dating young model Amber Rose who he first saw in a ludicrous music video. Kanye

00:15:35.060 invited Amber Rose to be in one of his music videos. He then built her up in the fashion world 0.93

00:15:41.220 included her in his Louis Vuitton ad where Amber is completely naked and Kanye is fully dressed.

00:15:49.020 Faux Coco notes that this is important because both Amber and Kim have been simultaneously

00:15:53.980 high fashion whilst also being naked on magazines and built up as a sex symbol like the paper one

00:16:00.360 that I just referenced earlier but they're also always dripping in designer clothes of course

00:16:06.160 it's known that Kanye kind of became Kim Kardashian's stylist and really elevated her look

00:16:12.760 he did the same thing for Amber Rose he controlled both of the images the Kardashians weren't invited

00:16:18.380 to the Met Gala until Kim started being associated with Kanye. So he's really like lifting these

00:16:25.940 women to a different level of fame and status. We'll play a little bit of the TikTok now so you

00:16:32.620 can hear this person's very clever analysis in their own words. Kanye builds his dolls into sexy

00:16:38.900 yet sophisticated it girls that the world can't take their eyes off of. The hype he creates around

00:16:43.820 his girl adds to his own hype as it now appears he has the hottest jig in the game. The public

00:16:48.460 buys into the pedestal that he puts these women on, thus he creates his own power couple. Playing

00:16:53.740 into the power couple trope is an essential part of reaching that icon level of fame and securing

00:16:59.180 your place in pop culture history. Kanye is masterful at this because he does it all while

00:17:04.300 maintaining domination and the real power role within his actual coupling. He does this because

00:17:10.140 he's brought them up to this level. It's no coincidence he chooses women with bad reputations.

00:17:15.340 Amber is a former stripper, Kim has a sex tape that was seen around the world. He gives his 0.96

00:17:20.300 dolls a life and level of fame that is extraordinary to the 10th power, introducing them to people,

00:17:26.700 places, experiences that in his mind they'd never even come close to. So basically without him none

00:17:33.020 of this is possible and he makes sure his dolls share that same thought, ensuring that they'll

00:17:38.220 They'll remain in a state of gratitude to him for making it all happen and a state of fear that it'll all slip away if he goes away.

00:17:46.720 Kanye's following this same script with Julia Fox and he'll continue to. 0.52

00:17:51.340 He'll continue to populate our world with prototypical female extensions of his own image. 0.55

00:17:57.100 And when you put these three women side by side, Amber, Kim, and now Julia, it's so intriguing to

00:18:06.040 see that the fashion sense is so tied to Kanye. Like it's almost identical. And that is why I am

00:18:13.700 quite on board with this, I guess, hypothesis here, especially because one of the photos from

00:18:19.280 interview magazine literally has Julia looking like a doll and Kanye dressing her. And I'm just

00:18:26.100 like you can't make this up yeah I think he definitely kind of sculpts these women to be

00:18:31.180 his accessories in a way or to be status symbols for him right totally but interesting that he's

00:18:38.620 kind of choosing these women who are like they are beautiful and they are stylish in their own way

00:18:43.960 but he's not like immediately going for someone super well known like we didn't know who Julia

00:18:50.180 Fox was and we are in the pop culture world um he's not dating I don't know Miley Cyrus or someone

00:18:56.440 who's already at that level of fame so that's yeah it's just very interesting to watch so what

00:19:04.300 do we think about Julia will she be the next Kim K it girl is this just like a revenge moment for 0.63

00:19:09.660 Kim Ye look I also do want to backtrack a little bit because I understand when we're saying that 0.82

00:19:16.200 oh these women are Kanye's dolls it kind of rids them of their autonomy and their like intelligence 0.99

00:19:21.140 and I definitely think these women are smart and know what they're doing as well but in this in 1.00

00:19:27.620 the way that we've seen like Amber Rose and obviously Kim K rise to the star that they are 0.89

00:19:32.820 I do think Julia will be in the limelight for a bit longer what do you think I think this will

00:19:38.060 definitely get her more um roles and things she's beautiful like she's she's stunning and it's kind 0.99

00:19:45.020 of that old Hollywood glamour I think um her look is kind of like Dita Von Teese like bombshell

00:19:52.580 vibes um but it's also important to note that the week this news and the interview magazine

00:19:58.440 thing came out Kanye announced a collaboration between um Gap and Balenciaga so are they kind

00:20:05.320 of like gearing up for either just press around this I think it was like released announced the

00:20:10.680 day after the interview magazine will julia be the spokesperson for this brand like are they

00:20:16.920 going to be in a campaign together like the louis vuitton ad um so yeah it could also as we always

00:20:23.780 end these bloody kardashian segments it could all be a pr spin that they're both getting something

00:20:30.600 out of completely and a lot of the media coverage is around julia fox's fashion outfits and style 0.76

00:20:37.520 at the moment. So that checks out, that checks out. I definitely wouldn't put it past them.

00:20:46.880 Love Island star and influencer Molly May is in hot waters again after her comments saying that 0.99

00:20:54.480 we all have the same 24 hours in a day and that if you want something badly enough,

00:21:00.080 you can achieve it no matter what your financial situation is. So basically she missed the memo

00:21:06.160 that we are living in an anti-girlboss era back in december molly may went on a podcast called

00:21:13.700 diary of a ceo and the 22 year old's comments on her success came across as insensitive and to many

00:21:21.100 showed how out of touch with reality she is we'll play a little bit of the clip now beyonce has the

00:21:26.840 same 24 hours in a day that that we do and i just think like you're given one life and it's down to

00:21:31.760 you what you do with it like you can literally go in any direction and when i've spoken about that

00:21:36.140 before in the past I have been slammed a little bit with people saying you know like it's easy

00:21:39.620 for you to say that you know you've grown up and you've not grown up in poverty you've not grown up

00:21:43.160 you know with major money struggles so if you to sit there and say that we all have the same 24

00:21:47.420 hours in a day it's not correct and I'm like but technically what I'm saying is correct we do so

00:21:52.540 I understand that obviously we all have different backgrounds and we're all raised in different

00:21:55.240 ways and we do have different financial situations but I think if you want something enough you can

00:21:59.700 achieve it and it just depends to what lengths you want to go to get where you want to be in

00:22:03.540 the future and i'll go to any length like i i've worked my absolute ass off to get where i am now

00:22:08.800 and of course this isn't the first time we've heard this kind of sentiment like there's

00:22:14.440 productivity you can achieve your dreams kind of yak um you know her sentiment harks back to that

00:22:21.620 we all have the same hours in a day as beyonce tagline that floated around in the early 2010s

00:22:28.640 But even back then, that line drew criticism as well.

00:22:32.780 You know, a 2014 piece by The Cut was titled,

00:22:36.880 You absolutely do not have as many hours in the day as Beyonce.

00:22:41.060 And in the piece, they found this study, which found that people who feel powerful

00:22:45.420 also feel like they have more control over time than their minions or those under them,

00:22:51.480 which totally makes sense when you factor in, of course, like childcare, cleaners, yada, yada, yada.

00:22:58.640 I really enjoyed this article by Refinery29.

00:23:02.060 I know he said we'd stop like referencing them so much, but we love them.

00:23:05.940 By Saib O'Sullivan, titled Molly May Exposes the Problems at the Heart of Influencer Culture.

00:23:12.620 They say, since anyone can make a social media account, it seems democratic.

00:23:17.540 The only thing between your life now and becoming someone who is paid to look beautiful and

00:23:21.760 hold products is how much effort you put into it.

00:23:24.540 but the things that propel you to the heights of success and never based solely on your merits and

00:23:29.600 the algorithm not only do beauty standards play a huge part in instagram's visual marketplace

00:23:35.020 but the amount of money and time you can invest in creating an aspirational space

00:23:40.320 can be the difference between relative obscurity and internet fame they continue meritocracy in

00:23:46.600 every arena particularly the influencer economy propounds the idea that anyone can reach the top

00:23:54.120 but there can only ever be a few at the top of the pyramid. The law of averages dictates that

00:24:00.240 most who try won't make it. Influencers like Molly May have to reinforce the idea that graft

00:24:07.300 is primarily what got them there. Because if it were only luck and advantages and no work was put

00:24:13.300 in, then it would be harder to buy into the idea that the influencer is aspirational and crucially

00:24:19.640 relatable and with that sincere influence what are the brands paying the influences for

00:24:25.660 this article reminded me of a tiktok that um our fave flex mommy posted on this subject

00:24:33.660 and flex was basically saying that it's only in a very few industries that you can have this

00:24:41.480 mindset of like earning more money and you know kind of push pushing your influence because

00:24:47.720 for most industries no matter how many hours in a day you work you can only ever reach a certain

00:24:53.700 income it's very much with jobs like influencing or internet kind of what's the word like with

00:25:03.120 social media roles that you can keep pushing your rates up and up and up and up depending on your

00:25:08.780 influence and all these things so we'll put flexes tick tock on our story and in the show notes if

00:25:15.060 you want to listen to that as well because she makes a very good point especially as she is of

00:25:19.340 course an influencer herself yeah completely and I think when we say the creative economy we're

00:25:25.560 talking about social media influences and content digital creators as well and I think oh my goodness

00:25:32.680 the girl boss kind of fantasy plays in so strongly here you know we grew up with media and publications

00:25:39.920 being that like girl boss fantasy and that's in institutions and in workplaces and there's always

00:25:45.680 a ceiling to that and it's like oh you can become editor and that's great and then there's like oh

00:25:51.520 you can be the the main boss whatever it's called but you're right when when it is yourself that you

00:25:58.300 are capitalizing off there's like no limits there and it's also like anyone it feels like anyone can

00:26:05.140 do this anyone can become an influencer like Saif has said you know anyone can start an Instagram

00:26:11.740 account anyone can start a TikTok we fall into that too like you know come on every time you

00:26:16.840 post a TikTok you're like this is the one that's gonna go off like this is the one I know what I

00:26:22.140 mean yeah no like I definitely feel a part of it um the amount of times I've been like oh if I just

00:26:28.760 posted more on Instagram I could really capitalize or like I'm gonna focus on my TikTok this year

00:26:34.800 because like you can make a thousand dollars like per sponsor whatever it is um and it is nice to be

00:26:42.580 like i'm gonna do that for my future and like to build wealth um so it's so easy to like get sucked

00:26:48.640 into it and there's nothing wrong if you are sucked in like your one of your main source of

00:26:52.660 income is your instagram um completely so i'm gonna say something a little bit not controversial

00:27:00.800 but I actually think the internet is being a bit harsh on Molly May I think that

00:27:09.740 she didn't consider um a lot of her privileges and I don't agree with what she's saying and I

00:27:20.720 think she's being very girl boss you can do anything but like I don't think it was like

00:27:26.100 really really bad you know like the way the internet is making out to be i actually agree

00:27:32.520 and actually a lot of the twitter discourse at the moment is kind of putting her and this other

00:27:37.480 influencer in the spotlight right now and they're like oh these influencers are the worst and i

00:27:42.940 looked up this other influencer who i'd never heard of and they were called out for making like

00:27:47.280 racist and like sexist jokes etc and i'm like um i don't think these two things are equal at all

00:27:55.100 Like, yes, Molly Mae's comments are insensitive and they're a bit naive,

00:27:59.600 like very naive, but, like, it's not hurting that many people, right?

00:28:04.560 Okay, I'm so glad you agree because I also think I was Googling her

00:28:09.920 last night for this segment and she's younger than you. 0.99

00:28:14.460 I thought she was, like, 24.

00:28:17.200 She's born in 1999.

00:28:18.780 I think she's, like, May 99 or something.

00:28:20.460 so you think yeah just how young she is how wealthy is how famous she got at a young age

00:28:27.580 she was in love island 2019 so she was 20 when i was 20 you like you just think differently about

00:28:37.240 the world and especially if you grew up in um a very privileged upbringing like she said she she

00:28:44.560 never had to worry about money and things like that you only have your lived experiences and

00:28:50.320 but the only thing I do have critique on is the fact that she's the creative director of Pretty

00:28:57.380 Little Thing and she's like I'm wealthy and like well she doesn't say that that's harsh but like

00:29:02.660 she's talking about wealth and how she's like building a brand and how she only wants to

00:29:07.160 in that same podcast actually she says that she doesn't have time for her friends because she's 0.97

00:29:11.980 just building wealth but the garment workers that make the clothes that she spruits get paid like

00:29:19.380 nothing that I have issue with and the whole fast fashion thing but her actual specific comments

00:29:24.900 and like how young she is and the way the internet is reacting to it I'm like it's like a little bit

00:29:31.980 Vanessa Hudgensy of her like yeah everyone's gonna die comments but like she's not really

00:29:37.980 she's just being naive I think and it's worth noting that the host of the podcast

00:29:44.460 um stefan barlett actually tweeted something that i didn't actually think about and i kind of agree

00:29:50.780 with too so he said molly may did an interview on my podcast yesterday a soundbite from that

00:29:57.220 interview went viral she trended number one on twitter every newspaper covered it and mps weighed

00:30:02.420 in i've had male guests say what she said no one cared but when molly says it she's crucified

00:30:08.880 crazy there is definitely a gendered thing to this as well we're like laughing at a very young 0.79

00:30:15.600 woman for saying something quite ludicrous and a bit silly but yeah we don't say the same to men

00:30:21.600 right she does acknowledge her privilege a little bit as well she does say like I know everyone's 0.89

00:30:26.520 come from different backgrounds but like I think she was genuinely just trying to be positive and

00:30:32.040 trying to be inspirational and I don't think she meant any harm by it but I still like nothing's

00:30:39.140 black and white and I think on the internet everything is like you're either a good person

00:30:44.600 or a bad person like people can yeah say the wrong thing sometimes and we shouldn't like crucify them

00:30:53.520 yeah I mean I think the the problem potentially here is less about what she says but like the

00:31:00.300 weight we're giving to her words and it's just we I don't know like what we work in media and we

00:31:06.240 just love stories like this and people like this because it's entertaining and it's it's stuff to

00:31:11.080 talk about as well so I guess we can be part of the problem but I think it's worth questioning

00:31:17.440 who we're listening to you know like bloody hell like she's talking about issues like poverty and

00:31:23.400 stuff we're not gonna go to Love Island and pretty little thing ambassador Molly May to give 1.00

00:31:29.220 important like nuanced intersectional takes on this. 100%. I read a good Instagram post by

00:31:36.800 Aja Barber who's a British commentator environmentalist and you've actually

00:31:41.540 interviewed her for Refinery29 and we really really look up to her and something she posted

00:31:47.820 really made me think. It reads, can we stop listening to people with no real lived experience?

00:31:55.020 it goes into the dangers of having young people be spokespeople for issues which

00:32:02.380 is a bit ironic for us because we are young people and we have this platform we have our

00:32:08.300 own platforms but we will read out some of her text the social media effect I'm seeing again

00:32:16.220 and again is that folks who aren't even old enough to realize how uninformed they are are

00:32:21.020 becoming the spokespeople for everything and it's dangerous and frankly so boring. People are given

00:32:27.520 platforms and asked to speak on all sorts of things including the work I do but should they?

00:32:33.040 The sum of my work comes specifically from my lived experience and that can't be faked but it

00:32:38.160 sure is mimicked which is annoying. Be a bit more discerning with who you hand those followers out

00:32:43.500 to and whose voice you think deserves to be amplified because the glorification of youth

00:32:48.420 in our society is just as dangerous as some of the other isms we fight so hard against this post

00:32:55.640 really challenged me I think it really caused myself to reflect and you know my first reaction 0.98

00:33:03.160 to it was was hard I don't I think it felt like a hard pill to swallow even though I so agree with

00:33:12.320 what she's saying in the sense of that I think yeah age and experience can't be like shouldn't

00:33:18.060 be minimized and those things are so important especially when we're talking about I guess social

00:33:22.360 issues and things like that but in the same in the same breath you know actually she starts her

00:33:27.940 paragraph and a caption with I'm so glad that young people are leading the climate fight like

00:33:32.580 we need their voices right and at the same time I'm like hey I just don't want to like I don't

00:33:40.140 want to reject somebody's voices and opinions and passions because of their age but at the same time

00:33:46.140 I so recognize that when we are young, there is so much growth to be had and so much learning to

00:33:52.060 be done. But like, can we coexist? I don't know. What do you think? No, I agree with that. I think

00:33:57.400 like everyone should, like if they want their voice to be heard, it should be heard. I guess

00:34:02.580 what Aja is saying, in my opinion, is like, we shouldn't only be listening to 22 year olds who

00:34:08.480 are like millionaires you know or like if you think about our social media echo chambers like

00:34:16.740 95% of the people that I follow are under 35 most would be under 30 I just think that when we look

00:34:27.660 to people like Molly May for this like nuanced take of course we're going to be disappointed

00:34:32.100 it because yeah maybe she she just doesn't have the experience and like she's gotten so much of

00:34:39.140 a following at such young age that it's like she lives in a different reality basically in my

00:34:44.660 opinion like to be have that much money that much fame that much success by 22 when your brain like

00:34:51.740 your prefrontal cortex is still developing I just think like what I just said like we should just be

00:34:57.180 more discerning and just be careful who we give these platforms to are they just regurgitating

00:35:01.260 like fake news or like really inflammatory comments that aren't helping any causes and

00:35:07.440 then you've got people like Aja who are in their 40s who have had like you know they've seen the

00:35:14.480 changes that we just haven't seen and so yeah I agree that like we should just be listening to

00:35:22.220 more voices like this um fashion week panel that you're going to be on you're um speaking alongside

00:35:28.100 people who've been in the industry for like 30 years or you know journalists who are really

00:35:35.080 sitting in their field but then you're like very young and you're also on the panel like you're

00:35:40.760 also getting your voice to like represent young people so I think it was refreshing to see that

00:35:46.220 like a mixture of ages because I think ageism especially in like media social media our world

00:35:53.780 like it's so rife yeah and I actually like the way that Aja words it um in the post you know

00:36:03.580 she talks about lived experience more so than age a lot of the time because I'm thinking about

00:36:08.420 a lot of young activists like Malala or you know Greta Thunberg and what they don't have in age

00:36:15.560 they make up for I guess maturity and different lived experience as well so I think yeah I think

00:36:22.640 it was a very good post and something that rings really true but can be hard to swallow sometimes

00:36:30.040 and I think it's so true like what is it the Taylor Swift lyric of like thinking that you

00:36:35.660 know everything when you're young or whatever right and there's what is that there's like such

00:36:40.840 an unabashed quality about being useful and that you just think you're on top of the world which

00:36:45.720 is just so painful to watch as an outsider but also so beautiful to sometimes just relish in

00:36:51.640 like I know I'll cringe at myself but yeah there's there's a there's a balance needed for

00:36:57.500 sure I've been thinking about that a lot lately like turning 25 last year and just like thinking

00:37:03.040 about what I want for like the second half of my 20s and like my adult life and I think who I was

00:37:08.180 like 19 20 21 like getting into uni and stuff like I was so like passionate and like I think

00:37:14.900 that energy is so important because like you can definitely I still have it of course but like you

00:37:22.120 can definitely it like eases a little bit as you kind of get into the world a bit more and I think

00:37:26.980 that energy like people like Greta have um I just want you just want to like bottle it up and like

00:37:32.840 that's what I think pushes us forward and that's why youth culture is so important but then going

00:37:37.740 back to Molly Mae like we shouldn't be listening to a 22 year old like creative director millionaire 1.00

00:37:43.800 for takes on poverty like she's just not the right person to listen to so 1.00

00:37:48.700 rejoice or cringe pull out your chokers and rib band tees because 2014 tumble girl style

00:38:01.260 is back well that is according to social media particularly tiktok and vogue if it's in vogue

00:38:09.680 I feel like it's got a bit more legitimacy behind it.

00:38:12.880 Writer Maria Santa Poggi wrote in a piece called The 2014 Tumblr Girl Is Back

00:38:18.240 that the return of the 2014 Tumblr girl style comes in tandem

00:38:22.460 with renewed appreciation for the indie sleaze core aesthetic,

00:38:26.880 which became prominent in the early 2000s.

00:38:29.700 So think American apparel ads.

00:38:32.020 Yay, yay, yay.

00:38:33.220 As former Tumblr users, how do we feel about this?

00:38:37.800 I am very happy but I'm also very confused because in the last like since the beginning of 2022

00:38:45.160 the internet and Vogue or whatever has said like three different subcultures are back

00:38:50.360 at the same time I was gearing up for indie sleazecore like I was ready to get my neon out

00:38:56.660 to like do the whole I don't know side fringe like listen to that certain type of music and

00:39:04.220 then we've just like gone forward in time to twee core which I don't remember anyone calling it twee

00:39:10.160 at the time I think it was just called hipster but you know that's your Zooey Deschanel your

00:39:14.760 Alexa Chung and then now we're into 2014 Tumblr which is my era I was literally 18

00:39:22.360 see like graduating high school and stuff um and that is of course purple lipstick lord 1975

00:39:29.180 maroon and red diamonds um so we've just gone through so many trend cycles in like a week and

00:39:36.040 i don't know what's going on what do you think of all this it's fun and disturbing seeing all the

00:39:41.840 tiktoks of people like showing photos of their like peak tumblr moments um has been such a

00:39:49.600 throwback a lot of the a lot of it i had kind of forgotten in a way um so big nostalgia moments um

00:39:57.880 so I was definitely online on tumblr definitely around that 2014 stage so I actually did not

00:40:05.140 know about indie sleaze I was not part of that because I know I know uh so I actually had to

00:40:12.560 like read up on it and in that vogue piece that you were just talking about this trend cycle

00:40:17.820 analysis Mandy Lee describes it so for any other younger gen zeds out there this one's for you and

00:40:25.320 me so indie sleeves was much more flamboyant neon colors metallics ostentatious displays of nightlife

00:40:33.740 erotic advertisements and amateur style flash photography so this kind of came around when

00:40:39.980 myspace was big which was around 2005 and yeah it integrates social media with technology and

00:40:48.580 our everyday lives yes as i said before as well on the other hand the 2014 tumblr girl was super

00:40:55.000 moody dark colors simple silhouettes she was a bit more of a loner and then I know you just briefly

00:41:00.580 mentioned twee slash hipster um and how that was definitely the Zooey Deschanel look just think 0.79

00:41:07.540 kind of quaint kind of 60s um a lot of shift dresses and peter pan collars and those like

00:41:15.300 hipster glasses again you've got that side fringe happening as well tights oxford shoes the whole

00:41:23.980 kind of preppy look as well I feel like I was a um 2014 tumble girl son with a uh twee hipster

00:41:32.940 rising because I loved like all those indie movies and like you know submarine like the um

00:41:40.460 with the arctics uh sorry Alex Turner soundtrack uh Ruby Sparks was one of my favorite movies I

00:41:46.900 I wore like tights with denim shorts and like would do like tea party photo shoots in my backyard.

00:41:55.880 So I love it.

00:41:57.480 It's very nostalgic.

00:41:59.320 And of course, the queen of like hipster fashion herself, Alexa Chung, just posted a photo on Instagram of her in a long yellow dress on a bike with the caption, Indie Twee is back.

00:42:10.100 Bring, bring, be right there.

00:42:11.480 Hold my locally brewed IPA.

00:42:14.000 I am obsessed.

00:42:15.320 like it's all coming like into place everything's feeling nice and kind of cozy I almost feel like

00:42:21.900 it's funny because 2014 was not long ago at all right it was like less than a decade ago but you

00:42:29.040 know we kind of romanticize that time perhaps because it was pre-pandemic days when I think

00:42:34.360 of Alexa Chung I think of comfort and like wholesomeness so it's kind of nice to kind of

00:42:39.960 just revel in this past a bit more totally and I love that well I don't love I think it's funny

00:42:46.980 that everyone is like this is coming back it's coming back but I have not seen a single person

00:42:51.600 like actually wearing the aesthetic or like indulging in it it seems to just be um like the

00:42:59.540 internet trend like people are just showing their old photos but I did see one video with like it

00:43:06.160 was stitched i'll try to find it of this like gen z person um and they were like making fun

00:43:14.360 of the twee videos it was like um what did it say it was like this zoe deschanel song playing

00:43:21.560 um with like the ugliest millennial woman you've ever seen and it was stitched by someone being

00:43:28.000 like like i'm so proud of tiktok like within 24 hours you made like a really nostalgic like 0.92

00:43:36.120 nice moment into like a misogynistic take like well done like every day I like hate this app more

00:43:42.280 kind of vibes and um yeah I've really enjoyed seeing everyone's pictures and yeah reminiscing 0.56

00:43:48.960 in that era yeah it's nice I would say that Indie Sleaze movement is so close to Y2K I guess in

00:43:56.120 timeline so we've seen that rise of that kind of shitty digital camera flash photography going

00:44:02.680 around and and I do think that nightlife um vibe has increased but I also don't know if that kind

00:44:11.840 of just correlated with post lockdown um hype as well but I think bits and pieces of this is

00:44:19.940 totally like a coming back a bit um I wrote about the meta selfie a little while back which is you

00:44:27.300 know like a mirror selfie within a mirror selfie camera inception and I feel like that kind of

00:44:35.000 fits into both like the indie sleeves and kind of Tumblr girl movement in a way so I think we're all

00:44:41.960 it's all feeding into each other yeah which I think just shows how quickly we cycle through

00:44:46.800 trends like in the 2020s and the late 2010s we don't really have like a defined aesthetic I think

00:44:55.700 anymore it's like a mishmash of everything because of the internet and because we're just

00:45:00.200 all in our own little echo chambers so like yeah it's not as uniformed I guess um but yeah I

00:45:08.180 definitely feel like I'm going to reminisce on some like hipster movies and just I really love

00:45:13.460 that just like going back to what you liked as a teenager is always so comforting so interesting

00:45:17.960 to see how this will like manifest in uh fashion and media and pop culture

00:45:23.060 all righty recommendation time to kick us off with the first recommendation of 2022

00:45:34.320 what do you have for us jazz i have a half recommendation and a half just want to talk

00:45:40.480 about it with you because we have been saving this conversation over the holidays you and i

00:45:45.260 both saw licorice pizza which is a new indie film by paul thomas anderson and it is set in 1973

00:45:52.900 and centers around a 15 year old boy named Gary Valentine, who is played by 18 year old Cooper

00:45:59.080 Hoffman, who is actually the son of the late actor Philip Seymour Hoffman from The Hunger

00:46:04.940 Games and many other amazing movies. It also features Alana Haim, who plays 25 year old Alana

00:46:13.260 Kane. This is also her acting debut apart from the Haim music videos, which are iconic and she

00:46:19.880 is amazing so the it's a very kind of like indie plot in that a lot happens but nothing happens

00:46:25.980 yes so basically the pair form a friendship when um Alana is taking pictures at Gary's school

00:46:35.100 for like yearbook photos the friendship kind of follows them I think it's over the course of a

00:46:39.760 year the time isn't very linear which I also think is a trope of like indie movies you're

00:46:45.500 kind of just like flowing through this journey um but I really enjoyed it I liked the soundtrack

00:46:53.060 the fact that it was shot on film was very beautiful I like the fact that it was true

00:46:58.220 to the era and that like the the style was very cool uh Alana's not wearing much makeup like very

00:47:04.540 kind of natural skin throughout the movie it also stars iconic Bradley Cooper and Maya Rudolph

00:47:10.320 off um the only thing i will say is well apart from what we're about to get into but

00:47:15.020 in terms of um style i think it was a tad long like just a bit yeah no i agree it was quite a

00:47:21.200 long film but it was beautiful to watch like you said set in the 70s which is just so beautiful

00:47:27.100 to watch and oh my god her outfits are so incredible oh i want everything that was a big

00:47:35.100 takeaway for me me too I wanted to get like a thigh or knee-high boots for winter last year I

00:47:40.700 just never got around to it and this made me be like oh my god I need boots like Alana has I need

00:47:45.660 like the long sleeve dresses with like the cute a-lined skirt oh my god she looks incredible 0.97

00:47:52.220 very twee um also found it very cute and funny that um Alana Alana's sisters in the movie are

00:48:01.960 actually also played by the Haim sisters and her family affair and her parents are their real

00:48:08.380 parents um so that was a nice surprise because I feel like that wasn't kind of mentioned much

00:48:14.460 in the marketing but yeah you get a whole Haim family show which is so special okay and before

00:48:21.840 we launch into our potential criticisms with the film I don't think we'll spoil anything but if you

00:48:27.940 want to be safe just skip ahead um okay do you want to take do you want to start us off okay

00:48:36.020 so the main plot of the movie is that Alana Kane is 25 years old when she meets Gary Valentine

00:48:45.340 it's 10 year age gap he's still in school I kind of knew about that I was like oh that's a bit odd

00:48:52.900 but from the TikTok discourse that I saw before I saw the movie I was expecting a full-on grooming 1.00

00:49:01.820 situation she's gonna like manipulate him and she's gonna like steal his innocence she might 1.00

00:49:09.900 r-word him like force him to have sex all these things like from the criticism that it received

00:49:16.420 I was like oh my god what is this and I saw it and I was like oh I was like I can still see

00:49:25.020 obviously the tension but it's meant like it's meant to be uncomfortable that's the whole point

00:49:30.400 of the movie if there was no age gap then they wouldn't have the like uh tension and then it

00:49:37.060 wouldn't be what would it be about I feel like it's about their friendship oh my god Jasmine

00:49:42.540 I'm a bit upset at you no what's your opinion no as in I am so deeply uncomfortable by this film

00:49:53.580 and I'm so upset at it for making the bloody boy 15 years old and the woman 25 years old because

00:50:04.760 that is pedophilia that is inappropriate that is illegal and I agree that the age difference is 0.98

00:50:12.220 central to the plot just make him fucking 18 make him 18 because an 18 year old going out with like 0.98

00:50:18.020 a 25 year old 26 year old is still kind of weird there is tension there that you can play with as 0.95

00:50:24.180 well because you know he can still be in school at that age as well and I just feel like yeah gender

00:50:29.960 swap the characters how would you feel if it's a bloody 25 year old man with a 15 year old girl

00:50:35.560 it's still inappropriate and I agree that it wasn't so like obvious and it's not in your face

00:50:42.900 and she's not being you know like manipulative and stuff but I think that makes it even more

00:50:47.520 dangerous because it's totally normalizing this relationship and people you're like they make you

00:50:52.780 root for this 25 year old literal adult getting with a 15 year old like child like I when you say

00:51:02.640 getting with like I don't again don't want to spoil anything but like they don't have like any sexual 0.93

00:51:08.720 thing the whole time apart from when he's like forcing her to like show her show him her boobs

00:51:15.420 and that's like you know she's like no I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna

00:51:19.940 go out with you you're a kid I'm not gonna I'm not and he's like he's meant to be seen as like

00:51:23.600 this confident guy he's like a businessman and like I think that's the whole point is like you

00:51:28.760 just said we're meant to be rooting for them like are we are we meant to or is that like what the

00:51:33.200 director is trying to do trying to make you feel that that discomfort of like oh yuck I'm rooting

00:51:38.780 for this like couple which I don't know if you were I wasn't I was like interesting like friendship

00:51:44.000 but I also think it's dangerous to expect perfect morals on screen we don't watch art or consume

00:51:54.580 things to be like this is how we be perfect humans like nothing is black and white obviously i'm not

00:52:00.200 condoning like pedophilia but it's like you go to like see a story and and figure out your own

00:52:10.040 feelings about it you don't go i'm gonna watch this movie and i'm gonna go like i'm 25 i'm gonna

00:52:13.980 go to the school and like date a 15 year old boy like you know what i mean otherwise all film

00:52:19.360 would be propaganda in a way because you'd be like they're telling you what to do yes no I love your

00:52:26.140 points and I agree that it's not like a manual to have it like bloody score a teenager and Tom

00:52:31.480 and I watched this together and we had such diverse divisive opinions on it and what you

00:52:36.400 were saying about you know oh the directors maybe got good morals in the sense of he's creating that

00:52:42.640 tension to make us feel uncomfortable I wish that was the truth I think we're giving him too much

00:52:47.880 benefit of the doubt there because I read this interview where he was interviewed by the Guardian

00:52:53.760 you know and the writer kind of presses him on you know you know some people have criticized

00:52:59.520 essential romance as predatory pedophilic even on account of the age gap and the writer asks him if

00:53:06.060 he set it 50 years ago to create some distance and he just hmms to that right and he then kind

00:53:14.000 of goes on a tangent and says oh he didn't want to set a movie in the present day because having

00:53:19.840 like TikTok and YouTube in it isn't appealing to him and then when the writer presses him further

00:53:25.960 he's like I'd have to think longer and harder about it so he hasn't even considered I guess

00:53:31.920 the the problematic nature of it and then when the writer asks oh what if the film was gender

00:53:39.300 swapped he says quote i don't want to spend too much time thinking about that what would the

00:53:44.720 point be in that exercise what would it look like i wonder can i ask do you like call me by your name

00:53:51.880 oh good point timothy's character is not 18 and uh army hammer's character is meant to be like 24

00:54:00.900 like there's so many examples and like I don't see like um what's another one Scott Pilgrim

00:54:11.760 versus the world the girl's 17 he's 23 like there's so many examples of age gaps in movies

00:54:19.420 I don't think you go to see a movie set in 1973 to be like for him I don't think directors are

00:54:27.580 always endorsing behavior through their art but in saying that like he's like a white man and so 0.89

00:54:33.760 I'm not like defending him like a fucking film bro but I think the criticism that this has received 0.95

00:54:43.340 has been harsher than what it needed to be I think we're made to feel uncomfortable on purpose 0.97

00:54:50.820 and I think there are so many other examples of age gaps in movies that are wrong and like we know

00:54:58.620 the Alana and Gary thing is wrong like that's why like in certain moments I was like oh my god oh my

00:55:04.720 god like gross I don't yeah I don't know I just don't take it as like a this is like the director

00:55:12.100 is going to come out on screen and be like this is how everyone should act like yeah be good you

00:55:16.660 know be good people like we're meant to feel like uncomfortable yeah I hope that people come out of

00:55:22.700 that thinking that because of course we're progressive people I wonder if where if it's

00:55:29.100 like that because of course I wish I think what I want is like I wish he played with attention more

00:55:33.440 like I wanted more of that kind of thought process because you know a couple times throughout the

00:55:39.960 film she's like it's kind of weird right like this is illegal that's one of the first things she says

00:55:43.960 but then it kind of just disappears and it is sold as a romance like the way he said it in

00:55:50.300 um the garden he's like oh even if um it was set differently you know it's still a story about two

00:55:55.980 people meant to be together despite the obstacles that's like what he said right i'm just like

00:56:00.320 i think it's about who tells the story as well because you're right i think it can be done well

00:56:05.060 and i i think you're so right like i don't want to just be like oh no sorry about an inappropriate

00:56:09.900 age gap should be told that's right as well yeah yeah yeah i just think it's interesting that like

00:56:16.600 the same people who love like call me by your name like indie movies like that or palo alto

00:56:21.760 that came out when i was 17 and it's literally james franco is a teacher and emma roberts is a

00:56:26.960 teenager and it's about their relationship and i don't know if she's meant to be 17 18 but like

00:56:32.540 it's even more of a power play because alana in this movie isn't his teacher she like just works

00:56:37.880 you know she works for this photography company Palo Alto he's actually like a gym teacher or

00:56:43.580 something um and that's by Gia Coppola a female director so yeah sometimes I just think like the

00:56:51.960 internet can be a bit of an echo chamber like I've said a billion times this episode and um yeah I

00:56:57.000 think everyone should also make up their own minds before they see it because I've heard people being

00:57:01.320 like oh my god isn't this about blah blah blah and it's like when you see it not excusing it but

00:57:07.560 it's like I don't know that's so interesting I didn't see anything about it like I didn't see

00:57:12.020 any TikToks and then when I googled like reviews none of them really went into like the the

00:57:17.500 problematic aspects like a lot of people were focused on like the anti-Asian potential jokes

00:57:22.280 in it and I felt like oh that felt so small in comparison to this but I'm sure some of our

00:57:27.720 lovely listeners have also watched this so if you have please come into our comments on Instagram

00:57:34.160 or DM us and yeah let us know what you think as well because it's divided a lot of people and I

00:57:39.920 would say I'm in the minority like most people like chill so like I admit that but yeah

00:57:46.260 not your cup of tea I still enjoyed it but I was like I encourage people to like stream it

00:57:52.640 and not pay for it okay and what is your recommendation first rec of 2022 yes I have

00:58:02.500 a podcast for you all today it is called the psychology of fashion and it is by abc's big

00:58:09.900 ideas podcast um randomly tom's dad actually emailed me this podcast recommendation which is

00:58:17.300 pretty cute and it was a very interesting listen so it goes for about an hour and it was recorded

00:58:24.180 live at the queensland museum um back in february 2021 and it explores the function of fashion how

00:58:32.120 fashion alters perceptions as well as how it intersects with like social issues like mental

00:58:37.380 health and sustainability I actually just found it quite different to the general fashion discourse

00:58:43.600 we've been having recently which is like what drew me to it the panel was made up with several

00:58:49.440 different people they had a fashion retailer and stylist they also had this associate professor at

00:58:56.380 QUT School of Design and also these two guys who run this business called Trademutt which is a

00:59:04.840 social impact tradie brand that kind of focuses on mental health as well so it was a really

00:59:10.660 interesting mix like we had these really informative and like academic voices and we also

00:59:16.800 had these two blokey blokes who like literally it was very it was very great to have that like

00:59:21.940 contrast because you know they didn't know much about fashion or they were super lost by some of

00:59:26.780 the terminology used or like I literally have no idea what satirical means or they were literally

00:59:31.860 like I don't understand that question just straight up so it was really great to get that kind of

00:59:36.600 balance yeah um yeah it was pretty thought-provoking and dived into fashion culture in a way yeah

00:59:43.040 hadn't listened to much before so yeah good listen especially if you're interested in fashion

00:59:48.440 and whatnot yeah interesting definitely would like to hear that I think it's good like what

00:59:56.240 we're saying about panels with age gaps I also think it's nice to have panels with from different

01:00:01.160 industries and like different educations and backgrounds because sometimes these panels can

01:00:07.480 be so like hoity-toity latest start like really academic so it's nice to see a balance

01:00:16.320 and that now brings us to the end of a very long episode we got a bit sidetracked many times there

01:00:23.820 but it's good to be back on the mics i know nice to be back and yeah a nice big juicy episode for

01:00:30.160 people who missed us over the break i don't know if there are any but um yeah here we are here's

01:00:35.860 all our thoughts in the last three weeks so yeah uh we'll chat with you next week and see you on

01:00:43.800 the internet. See you there. Bye. Bye.

Culture Club - January 10, 2022

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