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00:00:13.740 i'm maggie zell and i'm jasmine wallace and you're listening to culture club

00:00:18.760 where we chat about pop culture current affairs the internet and our lives

00:00:23.260 we acknowledge that the Wurundjeri, Woiwurrung and Turrbal people are the traditional custodians

00:00:33.580 of this land we are both on today we would like to pay our respects to elders both past and present

00:00:39.000 we would also like to celebrate the rich history of first nations culture and storytelling that

00:00:44.240 we are continually learning from this always was and always will be aboriginal land

00:00:53.260 This feels like a bit of a flashback, a blast from the past. 1.00

00:00:58.300 We are currently remote recording from our separate rooms, in separate states at the

00:01:05.620 moment.

00:01:07.460 It feels weird seeing you on the screen and not in person in front of me, Jazz.

00:01:11.720 I know.

00:01:12.200 It's kind of cute in a way because this is actually how we started.

00:01:15.160 In 2020, I was up in Brisbane at my parents' during COVID and we started the podcast interstate

00:01:22.420 and we did it remotely for so many years and yeah now I'm back in Brisbane visiting my parents

00:01:28.320 obviously want to get some recordings in so here we are with our dusty literally dusty

00:01:33.820 microphones that we have at home because like we've been in the studio for the last few months

00:01:38.740 yeah we're throwing it back it's old school um very classic culture club with our fair share of

00:01:47.080 like technical difficulties we're just complaining about the wi-fi a second ago which is

00:01:51.840 always a hoot yeah that doesn't happen when you're IRL we have barely seen each other the last few

00:01:58.400 months we have we've done like two little recordings we had one book club um because

00:02:03.040 you've been jet setting I know we've spoken about this for the last few episodes but quick recap how

00:02:07.620 was India yeah because the last episode um I was saying that I was just about to head to India for

00:02:13.000 a week and now I'm back and honestly had the best time ever like it was just one of my favorite

00:02:20.620 trips I've ever been on. It was incredible. It was through Intrepid and it was like a content

00:02:26.700 creator for Mel with five other content creators. And I don't know, we just had so much fun. I was

00:02:32.660 just giddy the whole time. I couldn't wipe the smile off my face. We got to see quite a few

00:02:38.380 landmarks and eat all the good food and walk the streets and go to the markets. And it was just

00:02:45.360 like so soul enriching I would say it seemed so incredible your photos and videos were amazing

00:02:51.460 and it seemed like you challenged yourself almost to go on this trip and to like put yourself out

00:02:58.700 there with the experiences that you had I think I saw a story on your Instagram that was like you'd

00:03:03.520 never really thought of going to India before or no you sorry you told me that on the phone like

00:03:07.420 yeah never thought that you would like it would be a destination on your bucket list or like it

00:03:11.280 would be a priority at the moment and obviously when this opportunity came up how could you say

00:03:15.980 no and now you you like love it you're like the biggest I want to go back that is so true and

00:03:23.920 you're so right I think traveling is such a beautiful and of course privileged experience

00:03:28.660 and people talk about like oh your holiday self like your best version of you or like a different

00:03:33.520 version of you one of the other travelers Lucy Neville who we just had on our podcast she was

00:03:40.140 um it was so lovely she had an Instagram reel and she kind of gave compliments to everyone on the

00:03:45.240 trip and she said like one of the words she used to describe me was adventurous and that was a word

00:03:50.400 that my little sister was like wow like no one's ever used that word to describe you and I felt

00:03:55.460 really like touched by that as well and it kind of like pushed me to be like hey that is the type

00:03:59.900 of person I want to be um so yeah and that's what travel is for right you learn about yourself you

00:04:06.060 put yourselves in in these different situations and I also again I think there's a story you were

00:04:11.360 like our world is so like we think in Australia like we know everything and we have everything 0.64

00:04:17.800 and then you go to a culture that's so different to ours and you're like our world is actually so

00:04:23.240 small you said something along those lines like there's so much that we don't know about like

00:04:26.580 the way other people live which I thought was really interesting yeah because someone on the

00:04:31.240 trip was god I can't remember word for word but they were like this trip has made them realize

00:04:37.100 just how much they don't even know or like you don't even I don't even know how to describe it

00:04:42.260 because it's like you know there are all these places out there and you're like oh there's so

00:04:45.960 many things I want to experience in the world but then even with that mindset there's so many things

00:04:50.380 you don't even know you want to like see or like you don't you aren't even aware of so that was so

00:04:56.800 yeah I don't know it was just such a great time but yeah I think I've been so lucky with travel

00:05:02.580 this year so um honestly it's been I think my favorite year of my life so far wow that's so

00:05:09.400 nice yeah oh that's always so heart-willing to hear yeah can before we move on I just have one

00:05:15.580 more question I haven't actually asked you yet um I would love to know what were some um preconceptions

00:05:23.360 or maybe even stereotypes that you had of India

00:05:27.640 or that you'd heard about India that were challenged over there?

00:05:33.900 Before I get into this one because this is like the main thing

00:05:36.520 that pops into my head, I do want to say like of course

00:05:39.240 an experience of somebody who's been taken there like via tourism

00:05:43.080 and it's just for a week.

00:05:44.340 Like I definitely have a different experience 0.96

00:05:46.200 than someone who lives in India or like let's say

00:05:48.520 if someone's travelling by themselves or whatever.

00:05:50.440 So this is just my experience.

00:05:52.060 but I think one of the biggest stereotypes like every time I was going over there I was telling

00:05:57.080 people I was going to India they're like oh like stay safe or like oh like be wary of the men kind

00:06:04.060 of thing right and I understand um the culture of like patriarchy and also just how women are seen

00:06:10.400 in India is vastly different to a place like Australia but in my head I'd been like really

00:06:16.820 prepared to feel really like creeped out or a bit like grossed grossed out about how men would

00:06:22.480 interact with me but to be honest I didn't feel unsafe the whole time and I didn't feel um like

00:06:28.940 objectified in that way so for sure yes like people would stare at you there were not that

00:06:36.080 many women actually out on the streets like there's definitely more men out and about but

00:06:41.100 um what me and the girls are saying is that like yes even though people are staring at you it does

00:06:46.120 look like it it feels like it's from a place of curiosity and like or rather than like

00:06:51.260 objectification or something more like creepy and sinister like it was it felt quite kind almost I

00:06:59.460 don't know so that's that was my experience of that do you think it was in awe because you are

00:07:04.980 clearly westerners yeah foreigners or is it like the way that you all look a bit of both like I

00:07:11.460 think um like i think this experience is quite common for any foreigners that come into the

00:07:17.200 country as well like obviously like people with like blonde hair and blue eyes they get more

00:07:22.080 attention and stuff but um even we were traveling with rowie who is indian and like she was getting

00:07:28.480 attention and like it's an it's i i actually don't understand that much but yeah that's so

00:07:35.420 interesting cool thanks for sharing so nice to hear about your experience thanks for letting me

00:07:41.940 share jazz honestly it's been the best time and I know you have a lot of travel coming up so we

00:07:47.140 can't wait to hear about your adventures overseas soon as well thank you I'm so excited literally

00:07:53.660 counting down the days to Christmas I calculated the other I think it was Monday morning I was like

00:07:58.420 how long do I have left of this and it was like 20 working days which is obviously like 15 working

00:08:03.460 days now so i'm like counting down for a month off work which is very exciting god i can't wait

00:08:10.900 but let's just get into this week's episode there's a lot to chat about

00:08:14.520 i know this story is like a week nearly two weeks old but i'm still thinking about travis

00:08:25.360 kelsey's tweets and the subsequent like jokes have been made out of them

00:08:30.600 I've like have been giving me a lot of joy this week yeah this was something I kind of half missed

00:08:35.840 the boat on because I was away but I have been seeing old tweets of Travis being dug up he's

00:08:42.900 like an excitable like he's just there was something very real about them like yeah I

00:08:47.140 definitely would have tweeted that in 2010 as well you know except he was like mid-20s versus like

00:08:53.900 yeah no thoughts behind those eyes we posted we posted one on our instagram uh if you haven't

00:09:03.340 seen them go search them there's just lots of different funny thoughts he was saying um in a

00:09:08.480 podcast in the podcast he does with his brother he was saying that like he was using twitter as

00:09:14.020 his diary back in the day which i feel like we i feel like that's what twitter used to be or that's

00:09:18.860 what social media used to be and now it's all like everyone has a personal brand and like everything

00:09:23.760 means so much but like you know it reminds me of like instagram when you would literally just like

00:09:28.100 post a photo of your ice cream on the grid and be like yolo time you know which is like quite

00:09:37.740 wholesome yeah bring it back i say this example of digital footprint is very nice and wholesome

00:09:45.780 my other favorite person's digital footprint is timothy chalamet's he's truly got the best one

00:09:52.160 out there for him like dancing to Nicki Minaj and just being like a hoot he is so fun and so

00:09:58.160 so quirky he's not like the other boys like ah that I live for this Travis stuff is still good

00:10:05.280 but I want to see dancing videos and school productions

00:10:09.700 I want to play a little bit of the two brothers chatting on their podcast

00:10:14.840 because I just think it's such a sweet interaction well I don't tweet anymore because it's just

00:10:20.860 nonsense up at the olive garden with papa had to grab the fettuccine with the chicken alfredo

00:10:26.940 schmacking schmacking olive garden was one of my favorites olive garden red lobster the funniest

00:10:32.900 one is this teacher one so this teacher tried to call on me in class i wasn't paying attention

00:10:38.760 well i was and i didn't fold under pressure dub i mean it's a dub that's a big dub you

00:10:46.640 call the teacher out, bow. Well, it sure made for an enjoyable week.

00:10:55.440 In tragic news this week, a fan passed away at a Taylor Swift concert in Brazil.

00:11:01.580 Ana Clara Benavidez Machado was only 23 when she died at the concert amid allegedly the

00:11:09.480 incredibly hot and extreme weather conditions. So temperatures in parts of Rio de Janeiro,

00:11:15.640 where the Aeros concert was being held, they saw it as high as 42 degrees Celsius on Friday,

00:11:22.440 according to Meteologics, but it felt like 59 degrees. And when you think about how many

00:11:28.020 thousands and thousands of people are in those stadiums, all packed together, dancing, singing,

00:11:34.560 like obviously, okay, the weather app said it was 42, but which is still like crazy, crazy hot.

00:11:40.000 it definitely would have felt like more according to an article by Constance Mallorette for The

00:11:47.020 Guardian at least 1,000 people fainted and we all saw the video footage of Taylor on stage 0.83

00:11:52.920 struggling to breathe I can't even imagine dancing and performing the way she does in like 42 degrees

00:11:58.040 it's crazy the anger I think has come from the way that the venue handled this because if you're

00:12:06.080 having 42 degree heat there's a lot of safety precautions that need to be taken

00:12:10.340 probably it should have been cancelled i think but it went on anyway and the audience were banned

00:12:16.880 from bringing in their own food and water which is fucked and then 300 milliliter cups inside the 0.72

00:12:24.320 venue of water were expensive and hard to get a hold of the other thing as well like during 0.87

00:12:29.420 taylor's performance of bad blood the pyrotechnics like the fire effects were still maintained so

00:12:36.060 just imagine like how much more heat that would have added just like it's actually unfathomable

00:12:42.180 and this is something that like obviously we're going to the aeros tour in february can't wait

00:12:47.120 if the heat is in february summer australia especially in melbourne around the time it's

00:12:51.360 always really really hot although it has been so up and down that like you don't really know anymore

00:12:55.260 but um it's something that i know that my friend grace and i have been thinking about like when it

00:13:00.020 comes to what we're gonna wear and like the precautions we're gonna take and like okay how

00:13:04.740 long do we want to be standing because we're going to be standing um on the saturday night

00:13:08.360 and i think that this brazilian show shows that like it can happen like you can faint and you can

00:13:15.360 pass out and like it's really really scary and i think that this is something that venues and

00:13:21.360 artists and people who put these big productions on like festivals really really seriously need to

00:13:27.540 think about because these days of heat 40 plus degrees are just like getting insane you know i

00:13:34.460 actually blacked out at a concert once um and it wasn't a hectic concert it wasn't even that hot

00:13:39.840 it was at the forum which means I'm still quite nervous going to the forum every time I do

00:13:44.460 um yeah and I like it was it was during Meg Mac like this was a slow song we're just standing

00:13:50.300 there and I was like struggling to breathe and stuff um because for me it was like super stuff

00:13:55.600 like I just yeah super stuffy it was really quite hot and and stuff um so this is a thing that's

00:14:03.160 not uncommon and especially especially with hayless show like this is different to my

00:14:08.040 personal experience but like i mean come on it's what's happening because of the climate crisis

00:14:13.860 like this isn't an anomaly this is like something that's just going to become more and more frequent

00:14:18.940 and in the same week that this news has happened oxfam research has highlighted the current climate

00:14:26.780 inequalities which we know we know that the richest one percent are fucking it all up for

00:14:32.420 rest of us but i think in the same it just felt so jarring that in the same week this news was

00:14:40.980 released so like a reminder even though i know probably all of our listeners already know the

00:14:47.780 world's richest one percent emit as much carbon as the poorest 66 percent yeah that figure when i

00:14:56.140 got like the guardian notification on my phone like sent shivers down my spine like that is so

00:15:02.100 damning. And they kind of explained it like, okay, so the world's richest 1% is also responsible for

00:15:08.500 16% of the global emissions as well, right? So for the poorest 66%, they also produce 16%

00:15:17.880 of the global emissions. But to have, I guess, those stark numbers next to each other is just

00:15:23.580 really sickening. The Oxfam report also found that 12 of the world's wealthiest people are

00:15:31.900 responsible for producing annual energy emissions that is comparable to 2.1 million homes so like

00:15:40.960 12 people are producing the same energy emissions as 2 million homes can you imagine that like

00:15:48.800 those numbers again those numbers like don't make sense and it's not 2 million people not 12 people

00:15:54.620 versus 2.1 million people it's 12 people versus 2.1 million homes and if the average home has

00:16:00.880 are four people in it you know on average that's crazy it's like you know obviously four times that

00:16:06.540 amount it's so disgusting it's like it's like living in yeah it's dystopian right and i'm sure

00:16:15.840 some of us can guess the names that made the list of the 12 you know we've got jeff bezos we've got

00:16:22.320 bill gates we've got elon musk like all all the faves all the faves are there but there's also

00:16:29.580 So the Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich, Larry Page and Michael Dell,

00:16:35.240 who are also tech billionaires, as well as the Mexican business magnate

00:16:39.680 Carlos Slim. 0.99

00:16:41.600 So, oh, man, oh, how the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:16:45.960 That's what I was thinking. 0.99

00:16:49.040 Yeah.

00:16:50.440 Obviously this is very, very tragic news for Ana Clara,

00:16:55.580 her friends and family, and also just like the entire Swifty community.

00:16:59.580 I know Taylor Swift herself was heartbroken by this, as you obviously would be.

00:17:04.680 So everyone who's going to the Eros tour in Australian summer, take care, drink water,

00:17:11.220 wear sunscreen, maybe bring a hat and yeah, look after one another.

00:17:22.040 Just a content warning for this next segment, we will be discussing domestic violence.

00:17:29.780 Maggie, I need to know, before this week, had you ever heard of the quote-unquote comedian, Matt Reif?

00:17:37.860 Yes, I'm so sorry. I'm sad to admit it. He used to come up on my For You page quite a lot,

00:17:45.240 and I used to watch his videos of his stand-up shows. Had you seen his videos before this week, Jazz?

00:17:51.680 I had as well obviously because every nearly every clip of his went viral I it took me a while to 0.68

00:18:00.440 follow him actually like his clips would come up and I was like oh like pretty white boy like

00:18:05.580 comedian red flag so I would just kind of like I might like like the video and then I would scroll

00:18:12.160 and then so many came up and I was like oh I'm actually like enjoying these this crowd work and

00:18:16.620 like this guy actually seems quite genuinely funny so I followed him and now I've unfollowed

00:18:25.480 him this week which is what he wanted apparently so let's get into it for those who don't know

00:18:31.400 he's a 28 year old stand-up comedian um as Jazz just mentioned he is known for his like

00:18:38.500 tiktok work he is from ohio in the u.s very much like an american comedian i would say

00:18:46.840 and yeah he is a very strikingly like handsome guy you know he's got like brown hair he's got

00:18:52.860 like really piercing with blue eyes or whatever and i don't know what drew me to him watching

00:18:58.200 his videos is he's like super cocky and like got that like that like cocky charm which is gross

00:19:04.300 but you're kind of drawn to it as well at least when i was watching the videos anyway he has been

00:19:10.040 a comedian for more than a decade he started when he was 15 as a teenager he featured on wild and

00:19:15.960 out a sketch comedy series hosted by nick cannon and then in 2017 he competed on mtv's reality show

00:19:23.720 called the challenge um yeah he's also an actor he appeared in brooklyn 99 and fresh off the boat

00:19:30.440 as well as disney xd these show um gamers guide to pretty much everything which i didn't know

00:19:37.720 before we were researching this segment so that's kind of interesting to me i think that he's also

00:19:42.700 like in the acting game so as i said before many clips are of his crowd work where he responds to

00:19:49.160 hecklers and also flirts with women like women of all um types reportedly you know he has a thing

00:19:55.500 for like older women and it was just the whole thing um because of this like his flirtation work

00:20:00.740 i guess the majority of his fans were women so this guy's becoming a huge star he was on the

00:20:07.080 jimmy fallon show two weeks ago and on that he says that he really nearly quit comedy like he

00:20:14.000 was just thinking maybe this isn't for me he didn't get his big break he posted this video

00:20:18.440 um on tiktok didn't think much of it he nearly wasn't going to post it he'd edited it and

00:20:23.500 everything and he was like oh I'm so over this like um whatever and then his friend said no you've

00:20:29.900 already edited the video just put it up and then that was the first one that went viral and

00:20:33.020 subsequently every single one after that went viral and his career took off so you know he's

00:20:38.000 on Jimmy Fallon two weeks ago then his Netflix special drops I don't even know if I was going

00:20:43.120 to watch this I didn't even know he had one until this controversy I guess but in the early minutes

00:20:48.800 of his show he makes a domestic violence joke which is just so disappointing completely um so

00:20:56.360 he started his special in quite like a hack predictable way where like a traveling comedian

00:21:03.060 will kind of make fun of like make jokes about the city he's visiting so he was in washington dc

00:21:09.540 and he notes how quote ratchet the city's people are um and then he talked about his recent hostess

00:21:18.780 who had a black eye um as an example let's play a clip of um what he says now i've only been to

00:21:28.740 baltimore one time i ate lunch there and the hostess who like seats you at the restaurant had

00:21:33.260 a black eye a full black it wasn't like what happened it was pretty obvious what happened

00:21:39.920 we couldn't get over the fact that we're like this is the face of the company like this is

00:21:44.860 this is where you have greeting people and my boy who i was with was like yeah i feel bad for her

00:21:50.080 man i feel like they should put her in the kitchen or something where nobody

00:21:53.540 nobody has to see her face you know and i was like yeah but i feel like if she could cook she

00:21:59.040 wouldn't have that black eye so testing the water seeing if y'all are gonna be fun or not

00:22:08.380 We start the show with domestic violence. 0.99

00:22:15.200 The rest of the show should be pretty smooth sailing after that.

00:22:19.720 So this little snippet of his comedy special started like trending on TikTok, basically.

00:22:27.000 And then people were responding to me, like, obviously outraged because he's like punching down.

00:22:33.760 right which is every like good comedian knows that you should always punch up like don't punch 0.96

00:22:42.560 down especially if you're a freaking pretty privileged white man american man like what the 0.99

00:22:48.800 fuck so obviously he starts getting backlash especially across tiktok and as a apology he 0.99

00:22:55.720 made an instagram story that was like this is for anyone who's ever been offended by a joke i've told 0.99

00:23:01.300 and you click the link and it sends you to a shop that's selling special needs helmets i saw a tiktok

00:23:09.040 that said that he might have gotten away with the domestic violence joke like obviously there's

00:23:14.980 outrage initial like he would have lost fans regardless but i think the doubling down and

00:23:19.660 then it's like okay you're making fun of domestic violence victims and now you're making fun of

00:23:24.900 people with like disability like that double down has like that's I think the like the big

00:23:32.480 double whammy of this yeah and like I'm just sick of it I'm just tired when I when I think about 1.00

00:23:39.700 this whole story I'm just so frustrated because it's like number one this boy's not even that

00:23:44.440 funny number two just because he throws out edgy jokes he thinks he is and like that's what pisses

00:23:51.240 me off like i'm so sorry you're catering to 14 year old teenage boys with your quote-unquote

00:23:55.840 comedy and you just think that because you're an edgelord oh we just don't get it like we're 1.00

00:24:01.180 just too precious we're too sensitive maybe it's because you suck oh shit so what many women 0.99

00:24:10.560 especially on tiktok are talking about which i find so interesting is the betrayal of the fans 0.99

00:24:16.560 in an interview with variety matt expressed that natural selection which is the name of

00:24:20.900 special quote tackles the common misconception that his audience is only female the quote reads

00:24:28.040 despite what you think about me online i don't pander my career to women i would argue this

00:24:33.820 special is way more for guys and all these people on tiktok are like in the year of the barbie movie

00:24:39.920 in the year of the eras tour when women can literally change economies they can bloody 0.55

00:24:48.120 save sweden from recession you want to shed your female audience and respond to the bros

00:24:54.920 and the boys like it's actually disgusting and i know we're getting like so worked up about this

00:25:00.220 one guy and it's so easy to be like oh just like don't watch the special or like this is what he

00:25:04.300 wants he wants you know quote unquote woke people like us to get angry and to talk about him on

00:25:09.020 our podcast and like make tiktoks but it's like i just don't understand why you would want to

00:25:16.220 alienate literally the people who made you like if it wasn't for his good looks which a lot of

00:25:21.840 people are saying is plastic surgery and women going to shows and defending him like i've seen

00:25:29.220 tiktoks of people being like women literally made this guy because men would be like oh he's not even

00:25:34.520 that funny and women would be defending him like no he actually is pretty funny um it's not just

00:25:40.280 his good look like women were being like oh he's good looking and he's also funny yeah now it's

00:25:44.680 just like he's turned on his own fans which I find such a weird masterclass in branding like

00:25:52.300 why would you do that hard agree I think it just shows how misogynistic he is if he like laps up

00:26:02.200 the praise and validation views and support from women but as soon as we've given him what he needs

00:26:09.180 he just like throws us out on the curb yeah i saw a tiktok by um the account therapy with jeff

00:26:16.800 uh he he's the guy who's um he always does like relationship therapy tiktoks of like your babe

00:26:23.600 needs this your babe needs that he's actually quite sweet so he did some armchair psychology

00:26:27.640 on mount rife whether you think this is ethical or not to psychoanalyze someone on tiktok and to

00:26:33.760 talk about their family history is kind of beside the point because i think he does make some

00:26:37.420 fascinating points people are trying to wrap their head around this especially the women who

00:26:41.740 built up matt rife they're trying to be like why on earth would you do this and therapy with jeff

00:26:46.680 comes in and kind of explains some of matt's family history on why he's done this so we'll

00:26:52.580 play a little bit of that now obviously i'm not his therapist and i'm not going to diagnose matt

00:26:57.920 but with the limited info i know about his family and childhood i want to do some armchair psychology

00:27:03.660 Also, like him, my audience is 85% women only because of how gorgeous I am.

00:27:09.260 So, okay, some basic family history.

00:27:12.140 Matt's dad died by unaliving himself when Matt was 17 months old.

00:27:16.000 That's a deeply traumatic loss, especially in the context of losing a father and male role model at such a young age.

00:27:22.620 His mom, from all accounts, appears to be an amazing mother.

00:27:25.900 Matt felt really close to her.

00:27:27.180 He grew up with three older stepsisters and one younger half-sister.

00:27:31.600 So, Matt was the only boy among five women in his family.

00:27:35.880 It's likely he learned to gain attention by being the funny one.

00:27:38.900 A classic role.

00:27:39.840 We love to see it.

00:27:40.840 We all adapt in our families to get our needs met, and his way was likely through humor.

00:27:45.540 He had to learn to perform to an all-female audience, his mom and four sisters.

00:27:50.260 No surprise he's so skilled at connecting with a predominantly female audience.

00:27:54.560 This is starting to make sense.

00:27:56.120 But there's more.

00:27:57.040 His grandfather stepped in soon after his father's passing.

00:27:59.840 Matt describes his grandfather as the greatest man he's ever known, he's never loved someone so much,

00:28:05.820 and if he's ever made you laugh, it's because of his grandfather.

00:28:10.040 However, a year ago in November, he lost his grandfather, the man who had been like a father figure to him.

00:28:16.740 Another huge loss for Matt.

00:28:19.260 Now both his dad and grandfather are gone, leaving a gaping man-sized hole in his heart.

00:28:24.240 From that, to pivot from his comedy, which primarily appeals to women, to focus on gaining

00:28:29.560 attention from men, can be seen as a significant overcorrection. This shift makes psychological

00:28:35.120 sense to me, though. He yearns for the love of his father, who he lost as a baby, and he deeply

00:28:40.380 misses the connection he had with his grandfather, who bonded with him over humor. This shift towards

00:28:47.280 a male audience might represent unconscious effort to fill the void left by these male figures,

00:28:52.260 perhaps seeking the approval and love he missed from his father and the connection he cherished

00:28:58.020 with his grandfather. Is my analysis correct? No idea. I'm missing so much important information.

00:29:05.260 Does this excuse Matt's misogynistic jokes and problematic comedy writing? Oh my god,

00:29:10.940 of course not. You cannot mental health your way out of accountability. Does it possibly put things

00:29:16.720 into context for me it kind of does here's hoping matt learns yearns yearns and learns from his

00:29:25.300 experience and finds a good therapist who can help him heal whatever wounds he may have that

00:29:30.240 contributed to those jokes that just didn't work so as jeff said you know this might not be 100

00:29:37.300 like we don't really fully know and you can't like tell just from someone's tiktok presence

00:29:42.740 whether that is true but I think the reasoning or like you know the childhood trauma or 0.98

00:29:50.100 not having male family members around him it makes sense it's like of course he that's why

00:29:56.700 he wants male validation that's why he's he only was performing to his sisters and his mom his

00:30:02.500 whole life he's then gone into his audience is mainly female so now he's like all he's really

00:30:08.920 craving is male validation and so that's why he's like throwing his female fans to the side

00:30:13.720 i think it's fascinating honestly and there's been quite a bit written on this as well there

00:30:18.000 was an article for the abc it was called the rise in immediate potentially strategic downfall of

00:30:24.380 matt rife and that was written by jared richards he writes comedians like bill burr joe rogan

00:30:31.720 shane gillis ricky gervais and dave chappelle all have netflix specials that in part deal with

00:30:38.900 backlash to jokes and the idea that you can't say anything anymore. Chappelle's sixth special deal

00:30:44.940 is the most controversial as Netflix paid 20 million US for each as a comedian steadily

00:30:52.460 upped commentary around trans issues. I also like this quote from the article that reads,

00:30:58.180 there's a lot of money in being cancelled and Rife's non-apology suggests he's ready to level

00:31:02.820 up beyond TikTok. Whether he gains a new audience as he loses others remains to be seen.

00:31:08.900 So immediately I think Matt Reif has like purposely put himself 1.00

00:31:13.260 in the like right wing like, oh, fuck you, 1.00

00:31:18.500 like social justice warriors, woke people, like I don't need you, 1.00

00:31:22.500 I need real men kind of like camp.

00:31:26.340 So where is his career going to go? 0.69

00:31:27.860 Is he just going to pander to men now and like just continue

00:31:32.440 with his like misogynistic style of comedy?

00:31:34.580 And I'm really interested to see if he like his career keeps going

00:31:37.960 or if this is it, like if he just falls flat on his face, but knowing, you know, the success of

00:31:42.620 all the men who you mentioned at the top, probably he will be fine. I'm putting my bets on that.

00:31:54.280 We've made it no secret on the mic that we love a bit of gossip. As Jazz famously said,

00:32:00.080 she loves a bit of debriefing, right? So we had to talk about the latest TikTok drama

00:32:07.020 that is doing the rounds and it is about a friendship breakup that happened about a year

00:32:13.280 ago so i actually didn't come across this on my for you page but you sent it to me and i think

00:32:19.980 it's an interesting topic to get into the drama began earlier this month when beauty and fashion

00:32:25.820 influencer kelly kim decided to share why she chose to ghost one of her best friends after the

00:32:31.800 best friend allegedly flirted with a man who would ultimately become Kelly's boyfriend so this is

00:32:37.660 actually the video that came up on my for you page so I got the original I got it delivered straight

00:32:42.300 to my page and yeah she's just doing a get ready with me she's like a gorgeous like a woman and

00:32:48.720 she's and she kind of starts a video saying quote I've never ever in my life had to cut out a person

00:32:55.960 cold turkey I've never had to go through a friendship breakup because genuinely I feel

00:33:00.480 like I only open up to the people who deserve my time and I end up loving them for a lifetime

00:33:05.080 hopefully but this girl was just an exception and then she continues on being like here's why

00:33:10.180 she calls herself a girl's girl but here's why she isn't right what I found interesting about

00:33:15.020 this whole situation is that there are obviously two sides to a friendship breakup and the side

00:33:21.260 that you hear first or the side that you get delivered this is in real life like with your

00:33:25.280 in real life friendships or if you're you know digesting drama from tiktok it really just changes

00:33:30.820 like your perception on the matter um so this is the first video i watched and i would say that i

00:33:36.860 sided with kelly let's go through some of the things that she alleges that her friend joanna

00:33:42.520 did though some of the things that kelly is claiming joanna did was that the day she met

00:33:48.060 her boyfriend she added him to close friends stories she was posting attention traps she took

00:33:53.860 her boyfriend's hoodie and then continue because she was cold and then continued to wear it for

00:33:57.880 two weeks and post it on social media uh she randomly showed love for the brand her boyfriend

00:34:03.980 likes spent hours to get ready to see him called up another friend saying she thinks he's cute

00:34:09.820 and then got him the sandwich that he likes from a bakery and got up early to give it to him for work

00:34:15.760 okay now here's where joanna enters the picture because she posted tiktok video that i actually

00:34:22.220 saw on Twitter randomly but she was like whoa so I've seen this video floating around from this

00:34:28.560 girl Kelly we were best friends and then she randomly ghosted me about a year ago and I don't

00:34:33.560 know why and then she kind of rebukes the claim so here's what she said so yeah she was like I'm

00:34:40.320 super sad I had to find out via TikTok this is like why she had a problem with me even though

00:34:45.920 she reached out in person and was like wanting to mend that relationship about the close friend

00:34:51.740 situation she said that close friends don't mean a lot to her like she added everyone that she met

00:34:56.360 that night on her close friends about the hoodie she said that she was like she's notorious for

00:35:03.020 not giving back hoodies and she thought it was a cute hoodie in terms of the sandwich situation

00:35:08.400 which was like honestly the climax of the story she was saying that the boyfriend actually helped

00:35:16.240 her mount her tv keep in mind joanna and kelly are best friends and roommates right and she

00:35:23.460 explained the sandwich situation that she wanted to give the sandwich to show him gratitude as she

00:35:29.720 would with anyone who helped her with like a chore like that and she even gave the sandwich to her

00:35:35.520 friend kelly to give to her boyfriend like you know she didn't hand it directly to him i know

00:35:40.500 this is so much about a sandwich but honestly it's serious okay um so after i listened to that

00:35:49.120 i kind of flipped and i was like oh i don't know you know i don't know what the deal is here and

00:35:54.800 i don't know who's in the wrong if there is a wrong what happened really so an x comment was

00:36:00.840 like why are we in the group chat girl and the videos on on x or twitter have 113.7 million

00:36:09.480 views yeah what like and this got me thinking about why do people like these types of videos

00:36:19.080 why are we exposing our dirty laundry on tiktok even if it happened a year ago also is this the

00:36:26.240 new reality tv like watching drama that at its core is pretty meaningless it's kind of giving

00:36:33.560 high school I'm not gonna lie I feel like these girls are 19 like come on people yeah what makes

00:36:39.420 that so entertaining why do you think like because you you kind of pitched this to me like why do you

00:36:46.940 think that we find this so entertaining one thing that I think is like crucial here is that it is

00:36:54.300 about a friendship breakup and yes even though we are talking more about them it is still quite

00:36:59.920 a taboo to have like female friends fall apart for reasons you know x y and z I think it's still

00:37:09.480 salacious I think there is there are elements of betrayal I think especially when there's a man

00:37:15.200 centered it like in the story as well it just makes like I mean it is like a telenovela it is

00:37:20.700 like a daytime soap drama that's why I think people are always going to be drawn to stories

00:37:25.400 like this yeah yes I agree and I think you're right about the whole taboo about female friendships

00:37:31.740 and like I don't know maybe the sisterhood says that like we shouldn't talk about friendship

00:37:37.520 breakups because it's considered gossiping I think this is definitely gossiping yeah I also

00:37:42.380 liked the way that when you hear both sides of the story it does make you realize that like that

00:37:49.520 obviously are always two sides to any story but I think when it comes to friendships it's so easy

00:37:55.380 to just like take your friend's like word as gospel because you want to like defend them or

00:38:01.660 you want to like hear them out like it's something that I've been trying to learn as well like when

00:38:06.180 people do things that I might not agree with or like they seem to be being rude or whatever to me

00:38:13.040 it's kind of like it's probably not personal and also I think if it is communication should

00:38:19.280 probably be better and you should talk to your friends i think the whole also the whole ghosting

00:38:24.560 your close friend former roommate to avoid uh confrontation but then putting on tiktok for 0.98

00:38:31.680 millions of people to see is also a bit of fuck so true and then from the audience perspective 0.93

00:38:37.340 because yeah millions of people have actually tuned in on this but also weighed in with their 0.97

00:38:42.060 two cents i think people love little like bad like little camps you know people loving team

00:38:49.880 joanna or team kelly and they love having something to like fight for and then it's like

00:38:56.180 being part of the drama but you have no skin in the game so you're you're personally safe

00:39:01.100 which is i think what's interesting it's like drama but without the heat

00:39:04.420 hmm yeah i wonder like um psychologically as humans we love this stuff i wonder if it's because

00:39:13.200 we are like obviously tribal um animals and so if you're like if you agree with the majority

00:39:19.240 of a drama it means that like you will be safe because you will have the resources like you're

00:39:25.020 part of you're not going to be outcast because being outcast means like death essentially if

00:39:29.020 you're out of your tribe you don't have access to food and water and safety and shelter i know

00:39:33.260 this is going like so bloody deep but um I think it could be a reason as humans why we love like

00:39:39.780 I don't know like feeling part of like um kind of gossip because it's like well we're in we're

00:39:45.300 in the in group so we're safe and like that other person is gonna leave the tribe I don't know this

00:39:51.140 is so no I agree with that I actually agree with that um I think we've seen a lot of like

00:39:58.120 tiktok drama that revolve around friendships like couch guy um which was an instance where like a

00:40:04.800 guy returned to surprise his girlfriend sorry a girl surprised her long distance boyfriend and

00:40:10.720 he had like a very like crappy reaction um but i think we always love things where we can kind of

00:40:16.940 point the finger at somebody else and be like oh they're in the wrong or like they're doing it

00:40:20.840 yeah poorly um and this is no different yeah it makes you feel better about yourself i think 0.95

00:40:25.800 when it's like oh i would never do that yeah but we all do we all do shit things sometimes 0.83

00:40:32.380 if you had to choose jazz would you say your team kelly or team joanna oh god 0.92

00:40:38.000 um team kelly i think the hoodie thing was weird

00:40:44.840 being like i love wearing cute hoodies maybe you should stop stealing all people's clothes

00:40:55.800 it is now time for recommendations and every week we bring you something that we've enjoyed

00:41:03.520 reading watching or listening to and this week we have a joint recommendation i think you all

00:41:10.400 know what it's gonna be and it is the movie salt burn i saw it a week ago and mags you only saw it

00:41:19.960 yesterday so it's a very fresh for you let's do spoiler free just in case for sure what did you

00:41:28.300 think oh my god i love this movie so let's take it back for some people who might not have seen it

00:41:35.740 i remember watching the trailer like a couple months ago on tiktok and it was just like

00:41:40.640 a beautiful blur of random imagery without any plot so i was like this looks great it's got

00:41:46.300 Jacob Elordi, don't know what this is about, but I want to watch it.

00:41:50.340 It's very like that cool indie, like A24 kind of style of film.

00:41:55.220 Take us through the plot briefly, Jazz.

00:41:57.280 So Soulburn is set in 2006 and it begins with Oliver Quick,

00:42:03.280 a poor working class person who begins at, you know,

00:42:07.180 obviously the prestigious university.

00:42:09.060 He meets Felix Catton, who is a rich, aristocratic person, young guy, and they form a friendship.

00:42:20.880 During the summer, Oliver gets invited to Felix's family home where he meets his whole family, including Elspeth, who is played by Rosamund Pike, Sir James, who's played by Rich E. Grant,

00:42:34.900 his kind of pseudo auntie Pamela who's played by Carrie Mulligan and his cousin Farley who is

00:42:42.040 played by Archie Medekwe his sister Venetia is played by Alison Oliver who is in Conversations

00:42:46.880 with Friends as you can tell he has an incredible like this movie has an incredible cast yes did 0.59

00:42:52.700 you just realize that who she is I just realized who she is shut up yeah wait what the heck it

00:43:00.700 literally took me to the end of the movie because if you've seen conversations with friends like 0.99

00:43:05.500 she plays like a timid quiet mousy girly and here she is not that holy shit well there is um no 0.56

00:43:14.360 obviously there's a scene where she's essentially makeupless and she looks so beautiful um and i 0.96

00:43:20.260 i see it there i see it there shut up yeah i'm sure i recognized it but i was like oh

00:43:27.000 and then it was when we were going down the escalator that i was like oh my god duh because

00:43:31.020 we didn't actually finish conversations with friends remember we watched like a few episodes

00:43:34.800 together true yeah i finished it personally oh sorry i never finished it read the book anyway

00:43:41.200 beside the point so oliver goes to this family home over summer and then you know kind of a little

00:43:47.900 bit of chaos ensues no spoilers but um yes i also love this movie i was totally shocked i went with

00:43:56.540 um to the premiere with um our friends two friends named ali it's always very confusing

00:44:00.180 they both work at refinery it's very confusing ali and ali and um our friend bella and there's

00:44:06.280 one scene i think everyone who's seen will know what i'm talking about close to the end

00:44:10.100 and i looked over at um ali king and her face her jaw for a good for the whole scene which is like

00:44:17.820 i don't know a minute or two her jaw had dropped and i was like going between like looking at her

00:44:23.420 reaction and looking at the screen and her face was just so funny I'm never gonna forget it but

00:44:28.340 um I think that sums up the plot right like you can't or the movie you can't really look away

00:44:33.040 even though it's kind of making you feel emotions that are like wait do I enjoy this like is this

00:44:39.500 this is a bit fucked but like yeah it's so good obviously written by and directed by Emerald 0.93

00:44:45.440 Fennell who did Promising Young Women I think you know she's just on the up and up yeah god I found 0.97

00:44:52.000 this i love the movie so much so yes i only watched it yesterday i would say it's in like

00:44:56.920 my top favorite like eight movies of all time probably like my favorite thing i've watched all

00:45:02.600 year yeah like i fully love this like in the cinema wow that is a big call i was like like

00:45:10.080 equal parts obsessed disgusted in all enthralled like oh and then i think the cinematography was

00:45:16.860 um like such a standout there were so many points i just wanted to like pause the movie to be like

00:45:21.800 admiring the shot that emerald created because it was just so beautifully shot um there are

00:45:28.440 really funny parts as well it is like it is technically like a psychological thriller

00:45:34.040 also veers into like that dark comedy sphere i would say um bit of everything yeah yeah it's

00:45:42.880 also been described as a satire which i think is interesting and yeah like there are parts where

00:45:49.420 you just you're laughing out loud and then it's just like the next scene is like devastating

00:45:54.920 which I kind of like that roller coaster me too me too I agree I think they play with emotions

00:46:00.440 really well and they like as a viewer and an audience like you have really taken on a ride

00:46:06.020 there's no I won't like my own like I have a couple criticisms um very vaguely so no spoilers

00:46:13.300 but I think there was a bit too much showing at the end I agree I agree yeah cool yeah I think

00:46:20.480 a bit on the nose sometimes could have been more subtle agreed I'm glad we're on the same page

00:46:25.360 Jazzy yeah I think I literally said that to Ali or Bella as we walked out I was like oh the ending

00:46:29.640 was a little on the nose but um like still incredible oh makes you laugh makes you cry

00:46:35.580 makes you I really want to go see it again I'm going to take my sister while I'm up in Brisbane

00:46:39.540 because i do want to see it again and like get more kind of like if you obviously when you know

00:46:45.140 the ending you can watch it through a different lens so true that's it from us i feel like we're

00:46:50.900 trying to tiptoe so carefully around it so we don't have any spoilers but we highly recommend

00:46:56.880 watching this um if you're keen um send us your thoughts if you have seen it too and i've been

00:47:03.180 asking everyone who's seen i'm like send me any good tiktoks you find about it like i want to be

00:47:08.740 in the I want to be in the community I want to be talking about it the salt burn community well

00:47:14.420 that's yeah all we have time for today but thank you so much for listening as always

00:47:19.540 we love you guys and we'll chat with you next time bye

Culture Club - November 27, 2023

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