Diabolical Lies - December 24, 2025


BONUS： Caro & Katie React to the Erika Kirk CBS Town Hall


Episode Stats


Length

5 minutes

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170.57

Word count

1,015

Sentence count

69

Harmful content

Misogyny

2

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Toxicity

3

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Hate speech

4

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00:00:00.000 I can't decide if I want to call this a berry-sode or a Kirk-a-sode.
00:00:08.120 Kirk-a-sode. Kirk-a-sode. For sure. A Christmas Kirk-a-sode.
00:00:13.680 A Christmas Kirk-a-sode.
00:00:16.280 A very Christmas Kirk-a-sode.
00:00:17.940 A very Christmas Kirk-a-sode. Welcome, welcome one, welcome all to a Merry Christmas Kirk-a-sode.
00:00:25.820 Hosted by Barry Weiss.
00:00:27.380 I am a gay woman. I know that there are some people in this room who don't believe that my marriage should have been legal. And that's okay, because we're all Americans who want lower taxes.
00:00:41.740 Oh my god, incredible. I actually haven't really checked on any of this.
00:00:47.300 Me neither.
00:00:47.520 So I'm excited to watch this.
00:00:48.580 That's a lie. I read a lot about it this morning.
00:00:51.420 I do have some notes, but here's what I was thinking.
00:00:56.160 I was thinking that what we can do is I found out that not only did she do this town hall,
00:01:03.440 but she also went on CBS Mornings, she being Barry Weiss,
00:01:07.260 went on CBS Mornings to promote this town hall.
00:01:12.200 Oh.
00:01:12.940 So, like, they've put a lot of promotional gusto behind this.
00:01:16.960 didn't advertisers not want to pay for sunday that's right it was a i think it was a saturday
00:01:22.680 night 8 p.m town hall variety was reporting that advertisers were a little bit touchy about it
00:01:29.680 apparently salon also reported that some advertisers were unsettled they had a hard
00:01:33.640 time selling out their sponsorships for it but defector media had published this write-up of all
00:01:40.740 the coverage that cbs like how many clips they had posted and how barry wins on cbs morning so
00:01:46.180 The CBS Mornings promotion is only 10 minutes, and I was thinking we could start there and see how Barry frames the conversation, and then we can actually watch and react to the whole thing.
00:02:01.300 Let's get into it.
00:02:01.940 This is Barry Weiss on her conversation with Erica Kirk and the importance of talking across divides on CBS Mornings.
00:02:09.940 And you are going to lull when you see who hosted this conversation.
00:02:16.880 Oh, wait.
00:02:17.480 Is this the guy who got in a fight with Ta-Nehisi Coates?
00:02:19.940 That's correct.
00:02:20.980 Tony. 0.98
00:02:21.340 This is the guy who was like, do you think Israel has a right to exist?
00:02:24.440 And Ta-Nehisi just went full two toes down on Brilliant Academic on CBS Good Morning.
00:02:30.400 Two toes?
00:02:31.100 Do you mean ten toes?
00:02:32.180 Ten toes.
00:02:32.700 Ten toes.
00:02:33.120 Two toes.
00:02:34.100 Just the big ones.
00:02:35.960 Yeah.
00:02:36.480 That's the only reason I know this guy.
00:02:38.060 All right.
00:02:38.300 Here we go.
00:02:38.960 Tomorrow night, I'm happy to tell you, CBS News airs the first in a series of town halls
00:02:43.160 and debates with public figures, starting with Erica Kirk.
00:02:46.600 She, of course, is the widow of conservative activist Charlie Kirk,
00:02:49.580 who was shot dead, assassinated just over three months ago.
00:02:53.360 She has since taken over as CEO and chairwoman of his political youth organization, Turning Point USA.
00:03:00.100 Charlie Kirk's final book, which was already in process,
00:03:02.740 Stop in the Name of God, was published this week and is a runaway bestseller.
00:03:07.240 They cannot keep it in stock.
00:03:08.440 The town hall was recorded this week in front of an invited audience of young Christians, prominent religious leaders and victims of political violence.
00:03:16.840 Here's an exclusive clip.
00:03:18.720 I will never agree with political violence.
00:03:23.880 My husband is a victim of it.
00:03:26.540 I'm a victim of it.
00:03:29.640 But what I'm trying to say here is that we can blame everyone else.
00:03:38.440 We have to look in the mirror.
00:03:39.940 When you become a father, when you become a mother, how are you raising your kids?
00:03:45.260 Are you taking responsibility or are you giving them a device and saying, go down that rabbit hole?
00:03:52.020 I'm trying to go to Pilates class.
00:03:54.820 You can just sit in the corner and look at your iPad or look at your phone and go down that rabbit hole and see what you can learn from that instead of being a parent.
00:04:03.000 So my call to action from that is parents step up.
00:04:06.920 okay wait pause for a second love absolutely love that she turned this into an ipad tirade
00:04:12.940 yeah love that this was the clip they chose i gotta say i actually don't hate that she's talking
00:04:19.320 about intranet rabbit holes and like of all the things of all the ways that she could use her
00:04:23.320 platform i think i'll take that i think that's actually useful for her to be like we should care
00:04:28.260 about how our children are being radicalized online do i think that my understanding of
00:04:32.280 radicalization and her understanding of radicalization are the same no do i think
00:04:36.320 that it's still useful for someone on the right to be like, hey, there are kids who are like
00:04:40.640 obsessing with things online and we should talk about that. Yeah, I think it's just a shame that
00:04:45.320 the takeaway from that is blame parents and not like, hey, we should think about these social
00:04:49.820 media algorithms that my husband was also incentivized to juice up with his own fear
00:04:54.440 mongering. For sure. Yeah, I mean, talk about a YouTube rabbit hole. Turning Point USA content
00:05:00.640 was, like, the gateway to alt-right drift.
00:05:03.900 Right. 0.99
00:05:05.400 Hoisted by your own petard, hoisted by your own retard, 0.99
00:05:08.400 as is the Veep saying. 1.00
00:05:10.560 The other thing that I was going to say,
00:05:11.700 this is maybe nitpicky, but the usage of Pilates class
00:05:17.240 as, like, the reason that you're not parenting,
00:05:20.160 that's pretty pointed.
00:05:21.140 Right.
00:05:21.540 It wasn't, oh, you're golfing.
00:05:24.140 You're not out golfing.
00:05:25.540 You're not out at work.
00:05:26.820 It's like, oh, you're at a Pilates class.
00:05:29.160 it's a very like indulgent millennial female coded it's so housewife code it's so erica kirk from 1.00
00:05:35.460 her five million dollar mansion coded but like also can i can i can i blame her when that's 1.00
00:05:40.520 exactly the type of perspective i would expect from her hard to say yeah i can blame her i'll
00:05:44.980 blame her you don't have to i will okay onward do you want your kid to be a thought leader
00:05:49.720 or an assassin that's where we're at no in between
00:05:56.040 Thank you.