00:00:06.420They're just like, I feel like I'm looking at one of those computer screens in like a movie where there's like a million faces because I can see you.1.00
00:00:14.140Or the mirror where it's like the infinity mirror.
00:01:51.200caro has changed her mind on this outline for this upcoming paid episode three times
00:01:59.500every every single day over the past week she texted me it was okay i actually we're doing
00:02:03.100something different now now it's this this has been my my least decisive project this has been
00:02:09.020my least decisive episode um outline yet have we announced what this one is yet do you want to talk
00:02:13.920about it no because i feel i feel like it's related to the question what is the one topic
00:02:20.040you want to cover, but you have not yet due to self-preservation. I feel like that's maybe this
00:02:25.700for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was working, I was like 10 pages into an outline on why Alex
00:02:31.740Earl is a feminist icon. And like, I'm being totally fucking sincere. I am, I love her. But0.91
00:02:41.200then I was just like, I don't want to, I don't know. I just wasn't feeling right. And so now
00:02:45.400I'm working on an outline about the case for a leftist pronatalism. So that's going to be spicy.
00:02:53.120Very caliente. I know. I know. Well, so it's funny because, yes, we don't bring guests on
00:02:58.660the show, but have you done interviews before for your research? Have you actually spoken with
00:03:04.740people for the show before? I don't think so. I mean, I've done email interviews. I've spoken
00:03:09.240to a few people, but not like this because I've already done a few interviews for this.
00:03:12.220so wait did you record any of them or was it just totally background um I recorded them on
00:03:17.600background but it was like confirmed that they were not gonna be so I wouldn't share them or
00:03:22.040anything but I did I did yeah oh my god you guys are gonna die it's just truly it's a paid it's a
00:03:28.220paid up she has taken a hard left turn on this one and I am I'm so excited I think I'm excited
00:03:34.000because and maybe we can talk a little bit about how we make the show but um and there was a
00:03:39.060question about how do you do the outlines and how do you do the research how to decide what books to
00:03:42.780read but we did talk about that a lot last time so I don't want to talk about that too much this
00:03:46.600time yeah but I do think it's funny that I feel like this happens a lot with your episodes where
00:03:52.920like you'll pick a topic and I will think that you're going to go in one direction with it
00:03:57.160and then you end up going somewhere completely different and you end up changing my mind and
00:04:02.780I feel like that's what's going to happen this time you always make me feel a little basic with
00:04:08.100my takes because I mean yeah we'll see we'll see it's gonna be it's gonna be spicy it's gonna be
00:04:13.600a spicy conversation for sure yes okay all right let's see what else we've got here on the business
00:04:20.020side obviously we just announced our redistribution plan and we got a question about the logistical
00:04:28.040challenges of setting up kind of a charitable aspect of a business and we had talked about
00:04:34.060that on the episode a little bit or like alluded to the fact that it took us a little bit to figure
00:04:38.340out and part of the reason that it took us a second is because I was thinking like having
00:04:43.480run a business before it's just like a single member LLC I was thinking that donations would
00:04:48.960function like business expenses where it's just kind of like a write-off where it's almost like
00:04:54.200the income didn't happen like you just take it in and then give it away but the weird thing about
00:04:59.720the way that ours is structured is that because it's a 50-50 partnership, and I think this will
00:05:05.000be relevant for anybody who's like, if you are, you know, co-founding something with somebody,
00:05:09.660if you have a 50-50 partnership, the accountant that Caro has been working with who is helping
00:05:14.440us out. What up, Martin? What up, Marty? This is a pass-through entity, which basically means
00:05:20.580all the income that comes in, the IRS basically looks at it and assigns 50% to my personal income
00:05:27.080tax return and 50% to Caro's personal income tax return, which means because of the way
00:05:33.420charitable itemization works, you can't itemize or you don't get any benefit from itemizing
00:05:39.240donations unless you're donating more than $30,000 per year.
00:05:43.420Otherwise, it's less than the standard deduction and so you wouldn't itemize.
00:05:47.680So for a second, we were kind of like, okay, how do we like structure the books on the
00:05:52.620back end if we're having to personally pay income tax on money we are donating. We're like, we don't
00:05:59.200even have the money, right? Does that make sense? Like, we're using our own income to pay income
00:06:03.760tax on money that we are giving away. So I think the- I still don't understand this. I just nod
00:06:08.900and smile while you say this. The workaround is we both have to donate more than $30,000 per year.
00:06:16.940So, like, as long as Diabolical Lies gives more than $60,000 this year, which I think we will, I'm almost certain we will, then it's kind of neutral.
00:06:27.800It's not really a tax break, but it doesn't create a bigger tax bill the way that we were worried it might.
00:06:33.340So, anyway, that was the logistical challenge.
00:06:36.500Someone's just asking right now if we would ever donate that money to mutual aid, and we actually just realized that we had $8,000 left over to donate, and we are giving that to mutual aid in Gaza.
00:06:46.080Yes. So actually, if anyone else is interested, Amanda Holden, who is dumpster doggy on Instagram, has been doing phenomenal work getting money into Gaza. Because from what I've learned a little bit in trying to do this, it's actually quite difficult. Venmo will block it or like you'll try to get money in and it won't go through. It's a mess.
00:07:08.740but she somehow has figured out a way to do this
00:07:11.760and has been collecting donations for months now.
00:07:14.920And I think she just collected like 15,000.
00:08:37.560Okay. We both just read Careless People. Has anyone else read Careless People? The memoir
00:08:42.840by Sarah Wynne Williams, former director of global public policy at Meta.
00:08:48.020Immaculate book cover. That is an immaculate book cover with the shark and with the Facebook blue.
00:08:54.100That is a very well done book cover. I spend a lot of time thinking about book covers right now.
00:08:57.660And like someone put a lot of work into that thing.
00:09:00.120Yeah. What I just haven't been able to stop thinking about when that book is,
00:09:03.240I feel like I typically, I don't want to say like expect the best from people, but I think I like typically will give people the benefit of the doubt. And what was so shocking to me about reading that book was the sheer callousness and just complete disregard for the consequences of the platform, like especially the Myanmar example.1.00
00:09:24.860Yeah, just the like that they just genuinely didn't care and like didn't devote any resources to the fact that there was an ongoing genocide in that country that was like basically being facilitated by people on Facebook.
00:09:39.380And so I think it's definitely given me a maybe darker or maybe more chilling sense for just how devoid of ideology beyond, like, making money that a lot of these people have.
00:09:57.960Kara, you did a couple TikToks a couple weeks ago
00:09:59.880on Jonathan Haidt and the Anxious Generation