For The Wild - September 18, 2016


FAITH GEMMILL & PRINCESS LUCAJ on an Arctic Untouched by Oil ⧸39

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PETER McCOY on Fungi for Personal and Planetary Healing ⧸38 NINA SIMONS on the Holistic Endeavor of Shifting Culture ⧸40

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00:00:00.000 The Silence
00:00:30.000 Somebody wishing for something to happen
00:00:41.060 Wishing to tell, wishing to help
00:00:44.380 Someone was listening, someone who cared
00:00:48.060 Never despaired
00:00:49.840 Someone to lean on and someone to trust
00:00:54.320 Who needs your assistance and finds your disguise
00:00:58.240 Hello, this is Ayana Young, and I welcome you to Unlearn and Rewild, where we explore radical
00:01:13.280 ideas relating to earth renewal. Today, we're speaking with Faith Jamil, a Pit River Wintu
00:01:20.680 and Neetsai Gwich'in Athabaskan earth defender from Arctic Village, Alaska. She is a campaign
00:01:27.840 Organizer for Red Oil, which stands for Resisting Environmental Destruction on Indigenous Lands.
00:01:35.320 Faith has worked on behalf of the Gwich'in Nation for over 10 years as a representative, 1.00
00:01:41.240 public spokesperson, and Gwich'in Steering Committee staff to address the potential human
00:01:46.460 health and cultural impacts of proposed oil development in the birthplace and nursery
00:01:52.560 of the porcupine caribou herd in the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
00:02:00.220 Faith continues as a public spokesperson, press, and tribal liaison, and human rights advocate.
00:02:07.080 Faith is a current field representative of the International Indian Treaty Council
00:02:11.520 and has represented the Gwich'in Nation at the United Nations.
00:02:15.960 Faith also serves on the advisory board of Honor the Earth and the National Wildlife Federation.
00:02:23.380 Also joining us is Princess Lukai.
00:02:26.180 She is the former executive director of the Gwachin Steering Committee and Alaska director
00:02:31.120 at the Indigenous Leadership Institute.
00:02:34.140 She was a production manager with Native Voices at the Autry National Center, a member
00:02:39.480 of the board of Dancing with the Spirit, and she's also an actor, director, and activist.
00:02:46.280 Faith, to start us off with a sense of place, I'd love if you could tell us about your ancestral Gwich'in lands and the territories of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
00:03:00.160 So, our community, it's called Vashraik'o, and it means deep bank by the creek.
00:03:08.100 and we're located about 200 miles above the arctic circle within the brooks range in northeast
00:03:18.840 alaska and the brooks range is a mountain range that's very beautiful and it separates
00:03:26.140 the inland community from coastal community of kaktowik but the arctic national wildlife refuge
00:03:36.860 is 19 million acres of wholly intact ecosystem within northeast Alaska.
00:03:47.360 And the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
00:03:51.100 is right at the very top, adjacent to the Beaufort Sea.
00:03:57.260 And that is the biological heart of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
00:04:02.580 the 1.5 million acres is also at threat by all of the oil companies every major oil company has a
00:04:14.200 stake and interest in it but that place is the birthplace and nursery of the porcupine caribou
00:04:23.540 herd which to the which in people that's a sacred place in our language we say
00:04:30.980 it means the sacred place where life begins and it's not only a birthplace for the caribou but
00:04:40.620 it's also one of the most important on-land denning habitat for polar bears and there's 156
00:04:50.840 species of migratory birds that fly from all around the world to nest there it's one of the
00:04:59.080 most vital ecosystems that we have in the United States.
00:05:05.640 And Princess, if there's anything you'd like to add to that?
00:05:09.160 Yeah, I'd just say that, you know, I think the refuge is absolutely symbolic of what
00:05:16.320 is happening in the world, because it really is the commons.
00:05:21.940 And you have, for years, this really capitalist Western mentality of industry and politicians looking at the refuge and saying, it's barren. There's nothing there. It's not going to hurt anybody if we go up there and develop and drill for oil in the last remaining area of the North Slope that's not open to development.
00:05:48.480 In that regards, we're talking about the commons. In a world that's trying to privatize land and water and patent life, I think that we're talking about two very different worldviews, one which commodifies life and another which realizes that we need these ecosystems in order to survive.
00:06:13.820 And I would just add, too, that it's about human cultural diversity. You know, for us as Gwich'in, this is a human rights issue. For too long, Indigenous people have been looked at as it's okay if we're collateral damage in extractive resource industry. We just have to shift that paradigm and we have to change that in the world if it's not too late.
00:06:40.780 Exactly.
00:06:41.300 And would you mind telling us the Gwachin creation story so that we might begin to understand the sacred alliance between your people and the land and that this is much more than just, quote, an environmental battle, but it is deeply rooted in ancestry and spirituality?
00:07:01.900 our creation story tells of a time when animals had characteristics like human beings
00:07:14.540 and there was just animals at the time of creation the creator decided to create human
00:07:24.380 beings. And at that time, our story says that when human beings, when we separated from the
00:07:35.060 caribou, we made an agreement. And that agreement says that the caribou would always retain a part
00:07:44.980 of the Gwich'in heart, and the Gwich'in would always retain a part of the caribou heart
00:07:51.220 from that time on so in a spiritual sense in a cultural sense when there's a threat
00:08:02.040 to the caribou it affects the guichin and spiritually we're so connected to the caribou
00:08:13.600 So when we talk about it, we say it's just like the relationship that the Plains tribes had with buffalo.
00:08:23.100 That's the same type of relationship the Gwich'in have with the caribou.
00:08:27.880 It's a very, very powerful bond.
00:08:31.700 We believe if anything happens to the caribou, it happens to the Gwich'in and vice versa. 0.97
00:08:37.120 We have old songs, old dances that tell of our relationship with the caribou. 0.99
00:08:46.720 We still use all the bones to create tools that we need.
00:08:53.500 We still make clothing from the hides.
00:08:58.380 And we still maintain that relationship that we've always had.
00:09:03.840 when the caribou's in our territories we honor the caribou with our hunt
00:09:10.860 and it's a very sacred time it's a special time and it's one of the most important times for
00:09:21.000 because it's at that time that life lessons are taught to our young people
00:09:26.420 social skills cultural skills spiritual skills all these ancestral teachings are passed on when
00:09:37.540 we're out there on the land because we move out on the land when the caribou migrates through
00:09:42.260 and we stay on the land until we're done harvesting
00:09:46.100 and then that feeds us all through the winter which is very important nowadays
00:09:53.220 and we still live like that.
00:09:59.380 I've heard you both speak about how oil drilling would be the end of the Gwachin
00:10:05.060 and thus it is a human rights issue.
00:10:09.100 So I guess what I'm wondering is when you're talking about day-to-day lives
00:10:15.440 and how connected they are with the land in a closed loop of subsistence
00:10:19.860 guided by your traditional ecological knowledge,
00:10:23.220 how would this be destroyed by oil exploration?
00:10:27.580 Well, the place that is at threat right now, like I said earlier,
00:10:33.140 it is the biological heart of the refuge system.
00:10:38.000 That's the place where the caribou give birth to their young.
00:10:43.140 And it's the only safe place that this herd, the porcupine caribou herd,
00:10:50.820 will go to give birth to their young they do not birth their young anywhere else
00:10:58.440 so if the oil rigs are allowed to come in it will displace them from their nursery basically
00:11:09.780 and they'll be forced to have their young in another area which probably is not going to
00:11:19.440 be beneficial with the right nutrients for the young but also would not be safe from predators
00:11:28.860 and that's a very real issue here in Alaska that place is perfect for the caribou to use
00:11:38.560 as their birthing grounds because the high winds keep mosquitoes away at that time when they're
00:11:44.020 dropping their young and it's a safe area from predators because it's a coastal plain they can
00:11:52.080 see predators from far and also the grass that grows there that's the exact nutrients for newborn
00:12:02.480 calves to get enough energy because this herd is one of the furthest migrating herds of north
00:12:09.840 america it migrates through canada and alaska northwest canada northeast alaska we have 15
00:12:19.820 communities that are strategically located on the migratory route of the porcupine caribou herd
00:12:27.820 especially our northern communities and this herd's habitat is huge but that coastal plain
00:12:39.580 is the only place that the caribou will go to drop their young in the year 2000 when Clinton
00:12:48.920 was leaving office let me just tell a story about how when the caribou is forced to drop their young
00:12:58.740 somewhere else what happens so in the year 2000 we've been seeing impacts from climate change for
00:13:06.340 years here in Alaska and that year there was really heavy snows and then it was a warm spring
00:13:17.700 so that year the caribou were migrating through their wintering grounds in Canada
00:13:23.460 heading north to cross the border and go to the coastal plain here in Alaska to give birth to
00:13:31.400 they're young because of the heavy snows their migration north was slowed down and by the time
00:13:41.020 they reached the porcupine river the ice because it was so warm the ice had broke early that year
00:13:49.100 and so the females tried to wait out the ice till it all flowed and they stayed on the south side
00:14:01.300 of the river trying to wait it out by the time that the ice had gone by and float by
00:14:08.540 it was too late they waited too long and they all dropped their young on the south side of the river
00:14:17.520 so even though they were forced to drop their young by natural elements they still have this
00:14:27.620 instinct to go to their calving grounds because it's a safe place for their young so the mothers
00:14:35.740 started swimming across the river and trying to get their young to swim with them
00:14:43.280 but because the young were just newborns and that heavy flow of water when ice during breakup it was
00:14:55.700 too volatile most of the calves couldn't make the swim across the river and most drowned
00:15:05.140 that year we lost 15 percent of the herd and 43,000 calves drowned just because of natural
00:15:19.840 phenomena that's why that place is so important so if one event like that we could lose so much
00:15:29.860 of the herd just imagine what would happen if year after year they're being forced to drop
00:15:38.360 their young somewhere else it would wipe out the herd and to just tie that into which in in our
00:15:46.260 food security, it's very, very expensive to live in our rural villages. And people are truly
00:15:54.480 dependent upon the herd for their sustenance. And, you know, whenever I go back up there,
00:16:01.640 the first things people start talking about is when are the caribou coming through and people
00:16:07.340 start talking about if their neighbors have enough meat in their refrigerator. And when they start
00:16:14.020 coming through and they're they know they're coming there's such an excitement in the air and
00:16:17.860 people start going out hunting and you know that makes up the bulk of people's diet when those
00:16:25.280 numbers go down I mean right now the herd is healthy I think it's about 200,000 but
00:16:29.540 you know when those numbers go down it's troublesome and that year when that happened
00:16:37.380 And our people, actually, we had to go through ceremonies because it was very, very hard.
00:16:45.180 A lot of our elders over in Old Crow, Canada, where that happened was close to their community at the time.
00:16:53.860 And so they witnessed it.
00:16:56.140 And it was very hard on that community.
00:16:58.980 We had to mourn this loss, this great loss.
00:17:02.740 We're so connected to our environment.
00:17:04.860 it really impacts our people we also have this word which actually really captures an entire
00:17:14.360 concept it's and it's basically this like all-encompassing love that we have not only for
00:17:24.680 each other as human beings but it signifies that connection that we have to the land and to the
00:17:32.200 animals and it's a reciprocal respect we give to one another and all life around us and when you're
00:17:41.780 not dependent on the land and you don't know where your food comes from it's easy to become egotistical
00:17:48.500 and to fall under this illusion that we're not connected that we're somehow separate from our
00:17:55.400 environment and the land, the soil, the water. And so those people that are still really connected
00:18:02.920 to the land realize that we have to honor that relationship. And Princess, I've heard you speak
00:18:10.900 about the old stories of your people being able to speak the same language as animals and being
00:18:18.840 connected to the land in that way. And I'm wondering, because I know both of you speak
00:18:23.760 about what the children will inherit, do you believe that this reconnection to speaking with
00:18:31.060 the animals and having that deep accord will be able to be strengthened again? I guess just for
00:18:38.560 me, I guess to answer that would be to say, we have to live with that reverence and honor for
00:18:47.060 the animals and they give their lives to us so that we can live. So I think on a personal note,
00:18:53.560 it's definitely an extra effort. And part of that extra effort is that I don't think that we live
00:18:58.700 very balanced lives. And I can just speak to my own experience, which is spending a lot of time
00:19:06.720 in front of a computer screen. And how different that is from the lives that, you know, Faith and
00:19:14.420 I, our grandparents lived, or even our parents lived in when they were growing up, or even us
00:19:20.500 for that matter. Yeah we have stories also when I was growing up in Arctic Village we didn't even
00:19:31.520 have electricity for years we didn't have television so I was lucky in a way I did get to 1.00
00:19:42.240 live that life we were always constantly on the land like we would go to the chun le
00:19:50.900 in the fall time that's when the caribou migrates back from their calving grounds
00:19:56.600 and that's one of our main hunting times and we would stay out there for like a month
00:20:04.740 or longer however long it took and that's where a lot of the teachings are passed on to our children
00:20:12.400 that reciprocal relationship we have with everything in our natural environment
00:20:18.880 how to have proper respect and give proper respect for what you take from the environment
00:20:27.600 whether it's when you're blueberry picking or when you're taking an animal you have to give
00:20:35.420 proper thanks and respect for everything that you're taking and we also believe that the animals
00:20:45.360 give themselves to us and so it's a very very powerful relationship and it's a very powerful
00:20:54.080 time when you're out on the land it's like all of your senses reawaken you become alive again
00:21:01.540 and to me it's one of the most i cherish that time and we do that when not just with caribou
00:21:13.080 but we have hunting seasons for all the animals so when i was young growing up in the village
00:21:22.080 That was how we lived, primarily season to season for various games.
00:21:30.480 So springtime, the ducks and geese are coming back.
00:21:34.660 Everybody's hunting.
00:21:37.040 Then summertime is fishing season for a lot of our communities.
00:21:42.420 Fall time is moose, caribou, sheep.
00:21:45.980 So that's the type of relationship we have.
00:21:50.060 That's how we live up here.
00:21:52.080 a subsistence way of life.
00:22:22.080 Brothers of nature
00:22:25.200 Brothers of hope
00:22:28.080 Brothers of legend
00:22:30.960 And the story untold
00:22:33.840 I had a dream
00:22:43.680 Of my little core
00:22:46.420 They laid to rest
00:22:49.420 With a gun and a sword
00:22:52.320 Buried the hatchet 0.79
00:22:55.380 Buried the snake
00:22:58.020 Bowed to each other
00:23:01.180 Peace to make
00:23:03.800 The earth supplies
00:23:09.420 And nature feeds
00:23:12.380 But we turn and quake
00:23:15.220 For artificial needs
00:23:18.420 Come down to earth
00:23:20.920 I stay a while
00:23:23.800 The sun is shining
00:23:26.700 Just sit there and smile
00:23:29.480 I'm a brown-skinned man
00:23:39.320 That's what I am
00:23:42.340 I've got a guitar and a drum
00:23:45.220 That's where I come from
00:23:48.120 Spirit of the sun
00:23:51.060 Spirit of the sea
00:23:54.080 Worthy of the shadow
00:23:56.820 I'm shining down on
00:24:10.300 Son of the sun
00:24:11.920 Son of the earth
00:24:14.780 Soul of life
00:24:17.700 The children of the world
00:24:20.740 Brothers of nature
00:24:23.500 Brothers of hope
00:24:26.320 Brothers of legends
00:24:29.440 And the story untold
00:24:32.680 Daughters of starlight
00:24:36.760 Daughters of birth
00:24:39.320 Sisters of sunlight
00:24:42.460 Sisters of birth
00:24:45.120 It's so important that our subsistence lands remain intact
00:24:58.460 so that we're able to continue this ancestral way of life
00:25:04.960 and pass it on to our children.
00:25:07.340 And right now, Alaska's been ground zero for U.S. energy policy.
00:25:15.120 And, besides just the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, there's other indigenous territories throughout the state that are subsistence use lands that are also at threat from oil and gas, mining, coal development, etc.
00:25:33.720 and what we are trying to do is raise the consciousness of the public not only here
00:25:44.580 at the local level in Alaska but at the national level and the international level
00:25:50.760 that basically the earth cannot sustain any more exploitation that it's time we as humanity
00:26:01.760 realize we have taken too much. Our consumption is too high. There needs to be a transition
00:26:10.220 to clean, sustainable energy that would uphold and promote Indigenous people's way of life
00:26:20.820 and also allow for our children to continue.
00:26:29.260 That's what this issue is about for us
00:26:32.460 because in 1988, when our elders and our people
00:26:38.100 found out that the oil companies were trying to gain access to the Arctic Refuge,
00:26:43.660 they held a Gwich'in gathering in Arctic Village,
00:26:47.760 And it was the first Gwich'in gathering that was held in over 100 years.
00:26:53.400 When the U.S. and Canada separated and they put that border in, they separated the Gwich'in nation. 0.56
00:27:03.280 We got separated by this invisible line. 0.88
00:27:07.700 So we have half of the Gwich'in nation in Canada and half in Alaska.
00:27:13.200 And we all subsist on this one same caribou herd, which doesn't see the border.
00:27:22.800 So we held the Gwich'in gathering in Arctic Village in 1988.
00:27:28.660 And our elders, well, our young leaders back then, they asked the eldest Gwich'in woman.
00:27:34.640 Her name was Myra Kiyikovic.
00:27:36.620 They went to her and they asked her long ago when there was a threat to the Gwich'in, how did we address it?
00:27:45.820 And she said that they would hold a traditional gathering. 1.00
00:27:51.860 And so we did that.
00:27:54.340 We called the gathering an Arctic village and it was called Gwich'in Ninsa.
00:27:58.660 And that's the gathering of our people.
00:28:02.060 every one of our communities in Canada and Alaska
00:28:06.160 came together and we discussed this issue
00:28:10.700 and they did it in a very traditional way
00:28:14.400 and at the end of that meeting
00:28:18.680 it was unanimously decided that we're not going to allow
00:28:22.500 the oil companies to drill in the Arctic Refuge
00:28:25.380 because it was such a threat to our nation
00:28:29.320 and at that time they created a political body to be the voice for the Gwich'in people 0.68
00:28:38.220 and that was the Gwich'in steering committee and once the members of the steering committee were
00:28:46.680 chosen they were taken to the front of the people and they were given directives by the elders and
00:28:55.640 by the leaders and there was two main things that they told them one was go out there tell our story
00:29:05.460 do it in a good way and we're going to be successful that was one part of it but the
00:29:13.620 other part of it was when we're going out there talking about this issue and telling our story
00:29:21.400 we need to let them know that we're not trying to protect that area for ourselves
00:29:28.960 we are standing and protecting the arctic refuge for all humanity and when i think about that
00:29:38.680 directive i think about global warming and this time that we're in we see the changes so rapid
00:29:47.360 we are like in climate chaos and the arctic refuge is one of the last places it is the actual last
00:29:58.040 piece of land of alaska's north slope that's still protected everything else 95 percent of
00:30:06.620 alaska's north slope is already open to oil and gas development and so standing for that area
00:30:15.580 and when our people say we're doing it for all humanity they were talking about and prophesying
00:30:22.300 global warming but also they were talking about this time of transition because we have a story
00:30:31.760 and a prophecy about this time and in our prophecy it says that we have to protect that area
00:30:41.060 and if that area is ever open to development it's the beginning of the end and so that's why we
00:30:52.600 stand up for that area and that's why this issue is so critical to the Gwich'in people but to 0.61
00:30:59.740 humanity itself you know what does it say to our future generations if we allow 0.99
00:31:06.820 the last 5% of the North Slope of Alaska to be developed.
00:31:13.540 So this issue is very, very, very critical. 0.97
00:31:18.540 Everyone has a say what happens to it, not just the Gwich'in.
00:31:22.860 It's one of the most controversial issues in Congress.
00:31:27.340 They've been debating it for the past 30 years.
00:31:31.880 And it will take an act of Congress to open it to development
00:31:36.140 or to protect it permanently and so that's why we organized ourselves to try to educate as much
00:31:45.380 Americans as possible because every American has a say what happens well I can't thank you enough
00:31:55.460 for organizing and fighting for this and protecting for all of us in the United States
00:32:03.380 and beyond on a global level for climate change for the biodiversity and i'm wondering when you
00:32:11.140 were talking about this act of congress i know that back in january 2015 i believe obama recommended
00:32:17.500 protection for over 12 million acres including the coastal plain but just last month obama
00:32:24.620 announced a joint u.s and canada agreement to combat climate change and prioritize arctic
00:32:30.460 conservation for the benefit of indigenous peoples, but then days later proposed new
00:32:36.000 offshore leases in the Arctic. So what do you make of this political mind game and what is the true
00:32:42.740 prospect for protection? I think the politics of what's happening right now, and that was fantastic
00:32:49.500 that the Obama administration came out with this official recommendation for wilderness, which
00:32:56.840 changed the last official recommendation that was for oil and gas development on the coastal
00:33:01.840 plain. And that was years, I believe, three plus years that went into public commentary
00:33:08.100 on the comprehensive conservation plan for management of the refuge. And overwhelmingly,
00:33:15.320 people really came out and said, we want to see further protections for the coastal plain.
00:33:22.440 So then from there, Obama makes that official recommendation to Congress to designate wilderness for the coastal plain. And then the job is to get it through Congress, which is the same thing that people have been trying to do for over 30 years is get a wilderness designation for the coastal plain.
00:33:42.500 It just hasn't happened. So I think there's a lot of doublespeak. And we saw from Paris that there's a lot of firm talk to wanting to act on climate change. But there's not, in my eyes, enough political will to get us there.
00:34:03.640 And I'm definitely behind the keep it in the ground campaign. And I think that politicians need to understand that we just simply cannot afford to do business as usual.
00:34:15.620 So until we start really putting a different system in place that doesn't look at corporations as citizens, that understands that people need to come first and that we need to have an economy that is reflective of our morals and ethics around really being sustainable and aware of the fact that we are dependent upon these critical ecosystems, until that transformation happens, we're not going to get to where we need to be.
00:34:45.200 But in terms of permanent protection, on the upside, we have more co-sponsored than ever before for wilderness designation. And it is bipartisan. And then the only other option would be for President Obama to use his executive authority and do a monument designation for the coastal plain.
00:35:05.680 and if we're really looking at climate change and we're looking at the fact that
00:35:10.640 our species is not gonna be able to exist on this planet if it warms up more than you know 1.5
00:35:16.320 degrees celsius and we are not doing what we need to do to get there yet keeping fossil fuels in the
00:35:23.080 ground is the only way to do it and we're just not seeing i don't think the political will
00:35:30.220 to get us there because it needed to happen yesterday and the communities that depend on
00:35:39.500 the oceans that have been put in the five-year plan of the federal government their outer
00:35:47.620 continental shell five-year plan there's three places here in alaska that are at threat under
00:35:54.540 that plan and that's one in the Beaufort Sea one in the Chukchi Sea and one in Cook Inlet
00:36:02.440 and all these places there's indigenous communities that rely on the marine ecosystem 0.99
00:36:10.560 to provide all their essential subsistence needs and so it's the same fight that the Gwich'in are
00:36:19.460 facing they are going to face as they stand up and oppose fossil fuel development in their
00:36:27.340 ecosystem that provides for their food security. And the other thing is the Beaufort Sea is
00:36:35.800 directly adjacent to the coastal plain of the Arctic Refuge. I've always thought that
00:36:43.680 Drilling offshore is a direct threat to the Arctic Refuge as well
00:36:50.780 If there's going to be offshore drilling in the Beaufort Sea
00:36:55.480 Because once they access the resource offshore in the Beaufort Sea
00:37:01.000 They're going to have to bring it to market
00:37:05.080 And they're going to want to access land
00:37:11.200 and try to connect to the Trans-Alaska Pipeline,
00:37:17.140 and it would just be a backdoor approach
00:37:21.200 in opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
00:37:25.460 And the thing about the Arctic Refuge is it's not really about the oil there,
00:37:30.580 because they estimate that at current consumption rates of the United States,
00:37:37.000 It's basically a whole six months' worth of oil that we would not even be able to bring to market for 10 years.
00:37:47.580 So the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge does not solve our energy needs now, as they'd like to tout it.
00:37:55.020 But the primary push for the refuge is actually for precedent-setting of access to these places that are protected by such stringent environmental laws.
00:38:11.180 If they can access the Arctic Refuge, they can access any other public lands anywhere.
00:38:18.520 Exactly.
00:38:19.040 And they've admitted that themselves, that it's about the precedent.
00:38:25.020 But as for offshore development, like we stand and oppose offshore development here in Alaska because of climate change and because there should not be any more fossil fuel development here in the state.
00:38:44.560 We have enough fields operating currently that are already online that would take us through a transition period.
00:38:54.120 if we start to transition now but that's where our work comes in and that's where the public
00:39:01.380 comes in i believe that there is an awakening happening i believe that the public senses
00:39:11.320 what we're speaking about and i believe that people are starting to shift the way they
00:39:18.760 We see how we use energy, what we're taking from the earth, and the march in New York on climate.
00:39:31.620 Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets.
00:39:36.500 Maybe that's what it's going to take.
00:39:38.920 in every city we need mass mobilization mass outcry and we just need to hold the line on
00:39:52.360 places like the arctic refuge and offshore alaska while this transition and awakening is happening
00:40:00.760 i just wanted to add to you know to the offshore as well as i think it was
00:40:06.700 shell it was just so to me clear they basically proved it themselves that the conditions of our
00:40:16.320 oceans up here are just not meant for that sort of development they couldn't even get the drilling
00:40:22.260 rigs in place i mean you remember that kaluk you know came ashore i believe twice and there's no 0.97
00:40:28.660 way for them to clean up an oil spill in the arctic ocean i mean we proved that i mean that
00:40:34.800 happened with with exxon right or in the gulf it's like weird are we just going to continuously
00:40:39.520 not learn from our mistakes these grave mistakes that affect the entire food chain
00:40:47.100 yeah shell pulled out in october they pulled out and basically they still have their
00:40:58.620 leases but it's not feasible for them to drill and so that was the reasoning they gave but
00:41:09.040 just as princess said there really is no safe way to drill offshore in alaska if you've seen
00:41:17.740 deadliest catch you see how volatile the seas are up here and imagine broken ice conditions
00:41:27.140 Imagine half of the time being in darkness and frigid, frigid temperatures, volatile seas.
00:41:40.680 There's just no way to do any offshore drilling in Alaska on the North Slope safely in the Arctic Ocean.
00:41:50.580 It just cannot be done.
00:41:52.140 And I think that company met their match.
00:41:57.140 They just could not do it. 0.99
00:42:00.960 And the Inupiat people have been saying this. 1.00
00:42:05.900 Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes. 1.00
00:42:14.900 The ones who see things differently, they're not fond of rules. 0.98
00:42:19.940 They have no respect for their status quo.
00:42:22.860 You can quote them, disagree with them, disbelieve them.
00:42:27.140 Glorify or glorify them.
00:42:30.220 But the only thing you can't do is ignore them.
00:42:33.280 Because they change things.
00:42:35.900 They invent.
00:42:37.160 They imagine.
00:42:38.240 They heal.
00:42:39.180 They explore.
00:42:40.000 They create.
00:42:40.800 They inspire.
00:42:41.520 They push the human race forward. 0.98
00:42:43.960 Maybe they have to be crazy. 0.91
00:42:45.940 Because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world are the ones who do. 0.97
00:42:57.140 Interpretations, investigations
00:43:25.520 I'm looking for the keys to Zion's equations
00:43:28.180 Left-handed pen-stroke, words float out to all relations
00:43:31.700 Protect the medicine from infiltration
00:43:33.820 Mother Earth's emancipation from annihilation 0.50
00:43:36.940 The overseeing star nations don't like Obama's nations
00:43:40.160 Oh, Obama nations fixated on corruption and perpetration
00:43:44.280 Of everything that's sacred, false promises, the lies in disguise
00:43:48.260 I'm said he was to bring the troops of inaugurated rockets
00:43:51.240 Fly the deadliest airstrike within two weeks of office
00:43:54.740 peltier sighs so we reflect and write artifice delivers truth prophecy ignites spirit activated
00:44:01.940 delights sustainable evolution the most revolutionary act is the betterment of our
00:44:07.940 lives maintained a balance prayer stronger than assassins who's asking basking in the luxury
00:44:13.540 of contaminants while we're fasting sometimes crying sometimes laughing self-controlling actions
00:44:19.780 Neutralizing chemtrail reactions Chlorilla flows to cleanse and break the hold
00:44:24.420 Of them vaticans Radiated passions
00:44:27.220 That alone enough is enough to get it cracking Not man-made's demise just the warriors strapping
00:44:33.380 Rapping Staying focused not making it happen
00:44:49.780 so i was down in louisiana when the deep water horizon spill right after it happened
00:45:16.240 I met with Indigenous communities there. It was amazing the parallels, the similarities between Alaska and Louisiana.
00:45:29.580 The coastal communities, these Indigenous communities that we were meeting with, the Homa, the Chitimacha, I can't even remember the tribal names,
00:45:42.760 but we've met with most of the indigenous communities there and we happened to be in
00:45:47.640 one of the communities when the oil started hitting their shrimping grounds and we were
00:45:55.420 actually in a community meeting and one of the community members came into the meeting and said
00:46:02.380 it's hitting our shrimping grounds right now it's hitting the marshes so we all went out on
00:46:09.260 shrimping boats to go to where the oil was hitting and it was just devastating you could
00:46:17.540 see the oil slick on the marshes and i could see the pain in those people's faces because their
00:46:27.380 way of life was so interdependent on the waters there they've been devastated by global warming
00:46:36.840 coastal erosion
00:46:38.780 just like Alaska
00:46:40.640 we have communities that are
00:46:43.180 literally caving off
00:46:45.020 into the ocean
00:46:45.960 and three of them need to be
00:46:48.880 relocated immediately
00:46:50.420 no one wants to pay
00:46:52.900 the oil companies should
00:46:54.900 be responsible
00:46:56.240 and held accountable but they're not
00:46:59.120 and so these communities
00:47:01.040 are facing forced
00:47:02.980 relocation because of global
00:47:04.880 warming just like that
00:47:06.840 I was actually in El Dijon, Charles, when they were talking about relocation, and now they have been relocated this year.
00:47:20.300 Both states are oil-producing states where we're the energy sacrifice zones of the United States.
00:47:31.200 and the rights of the people in both states are basically ignored
00:47:38.660 so that these large multinational companies can come in
00:47:44.680 and exploit the resources for America's energy consumption needs.
00:47:52.140 And then both states have been devastated by the largest offshore oil spills in history.
00:48:01.200 And at that time, I remember thinking, okay, this is a wake-up call.
00:48:07.440 America is going to wake up.
00:48:09.100 They're going to have to wake up because this ecosystem is basically dying.
00:48:17.440 And it's the food basket of America.
00:48:21.160 So when there was a moratorium put on on offshore development, right immediately following that up here in Alaska,
00:48:29.560 that moratorium was lifted six months later and it was back to business as usual and i was just
00:48:36.500 shocked i almost lost hope but my hope has been restored since then and i believe that uh if we
00:48:46.140 work hard doing what we're doing holding the line with these last places raising consciousness
00:48:53.140 we're gonna wake people up we actually don't have a choice when we were all together in paris
00:49:03.280 for cop 21 a big theme being voiced by indigenous activists was co2 colonialism
00:49:11.420 and i think it's important to explore how colonialism is at work in the resource grabs
00:49:18.960 going on in Alaska beginning with, and probably even before that, but with the Alaska Native
00:49:25.400 Claim Settlement Act in 1971. And I'm wondering if you could explain how this act has divided
00:49:33.020 tribes and opened up those lands to destructive industries and continues to create havoc.
00:49:40.460 here in Alaska in 1968 Prudhoe Bay was discovered and in order to bring the resources to market
00:49:50.360 they needed to settle land claims and so they put forward the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act
00:49:59.300 and it was approved unilaterally in 1971 most Alaska Natives did not even have a vote or a voice
00:50:08.720 But when it happened, what it basically did was set up for-profit Native corporations.
00:50:18.600 There's 13 for-profit Native corporations divided by regions in the state of Alaska.
00:50:25.960 And these for-profit corporations hold title to the subsurface, right?
00:50:31.960 And then we also have village corporations, which were created in every native village in the state. So there's over 200 native village corporations. They have surface rights.
00:50:50.100 At the time, there were governments, and we had our own traditional governments in place, our tribes, tribal governments.
00:51:02.660 the tribal governments were ignored basically and the land transferred to these new entities
00:51:11.560 that were created under the act because they wanted to do something different here in Alaska
00:51:19.200 than the lower 48 and so these corporations these newly created native corporations
00:51:28.540 there was a clause that if they didn't prosper and if they went under they could be bought out
00:51:36.700 any corporation could buy them out and if that happened that also jeopardized land
00:51:45.260 and land would be moved out of native hands totally and i believe that was the intent
00:51:54.360 except Alaska Natives mobilized and realized the threats that we could lose the land more,
00:52:04.660 so they had to be prosperous as corporations. 0.53
00:52:12.880 So these Native people who lived in tiny communities, isolated communities throughout the state, 1.00
00:52:21.380 very little western education but the few that did have that western education were the ones 0.94
00:52:29.820 that had to learn how to become corporate citizens basically and what they did is they
00:52:38.260 partnered up with the companies depending on what resource was within their territory so like on the
00:52:47.760 north slope you have arctic slope regional corporation that's a multi-billion dollar
00:52:53.800 corporation now and they partnered with the oil companies and that's the resource they tapped
00:53:05.360 to get their billions some other regions it was mining companies and other regions it was the
00:53:12.920 timber industry but basically the only assets they held was the land so to prosper they had to
00:53:24.580 exploit their assets that's what they did so the lands became corporate assets and that's how they
00:53:32.940 were accessed and when I talk about angst I like to say angst in a nutshell was basically a theft
00:53:39.880 of our ancestral territories it was an act to assimilate Alaska natives and an act to divide
00:53:48.520 and conquer Alaska natives and then the final blow would have been termination of tribes here in
00:53:56.640 Alaska that was their intent in a nutshell but so far we've been able to fight off termination
00:54:06.060 because something that constantly comes up here in Alaska
00:54:10.680 is legislation to basically legislate away tribes.
00:54:17.340 And there are 227 tribes in Alaska,
00:54:20.960 and we all still maintain our own governing structures
00:54:26.140 and our inherent sovereign authority.
00:54:30.240 and we're standing up and trying to fight for recognition of our rights
00:54:36.560 and when we do, Congress turns around and says ANCSA basically wiped out all our rights
00:54:44.440 because there was also a clause within ANCSA that said
00:54:48.560 we gave up all Aboriginal rights to the land
00:54:52.460 and so it set up also this political struggle for Alaska Natives
00:54:59.380 and the fight for our recognition of our sovereign rights
00:55:08.100 and our own authority.
00:55:11.360 But ANCSA, to me, was one of the worst acts created by Congress.
00:55:17.640 And now the same type of legislation is being promoted
00:55:22.700 in other areas of the world where there's resources.
00:55:25.720 I was down in the Amazon, and the Amazonian leaders there said they had been approached and asked whether they wanted to do land claims similar to Alaska. 1.00
00:55:39.860 And we cautioned them, don't make that mistake, don't let it happen, because we're still dealing with angsa here.
00:55:48.620 and now the legacy of angsa is we have polluted lands we have fracture we have divisions because
00:55:58.780 there's tribes that want to protect certain areas and then there's corporations that
00:56:03.540 want to exploit that same area and so that creates division
00:56:10.700 so we told them the story in the amazon of what happened to alaska natives and
00:56:18.460 told them don't allow it to happen to them
00:56:21.080 but that's what
00:56:22.560 the United States is promoting
00:56:24.540 in other areas of the world
00:56:26.500 under US aid
00:56:28.280 and so
00:56:30.540 I really caution
00:56:32.540 people about land claims
00:56:34.340 because it's one of the primary
00:56:36.780 reasons we're in the situation
00:56:38.440 we're in in Alaska where so much
00:56:40.640 lands are currently
00:56:42.540 at threat
00:56:43.400 for oil, gas, coal, mining
00:56:46.680 etc
00:56:47.280 Yes, it's so important to stand in solidarity and keep the fight going.
00:56:58.220 And I'm just so grateful that both of you have given your lives to spreading these words of knowledge and action and hope.
00:57:10.460 been thinking about alaska and especially in the arctic wildlife refuge that it is one of the most
00:57:17.520 fragile and the most intact ecosystems in the world and we cannot allow harm to come to it and
00:57:26.000 for the listeners that are hearing this what and how can people globally stand in solidarity with
00:57:34.800 you and support the arctic wildlife refuge and the other lands that you're protecting
00:57:38.960 so there are a number of petitions circulating it's really important i think that if you
00:57:46.880 live in alaska that you contact your local representatives and also contact the president
00:57:54.840 there's actually if you go and if you use the hashtag we are the arctic you should be easily
00:58:00.840 on social media be able to find some petitions to sign online petitions but also because it is
00:58:08.360 federal land. It's a national issue. Being able to contact your local senators or representatives
00:58:15.200 to support the wilderness bill is really important. And internationally, I think you can still sign
00:58:24.320 the petition or send something to President Obama directly saying that this place needs
00:58:30.580 to be permanently protected. Yeah, I think pressure on the administration is really important to
00:58:37.460 the administration needs to hear directly from Americans
00:58:41.700 that the Arctic Refuge should be
00:58:45.400 protected permanently. And I think people
00:58:49.660 can stand in solidarity with Alaska by raising the profile of
00:58:53.600 these issues. Global warming, transitioning
00:58:57.580 to clean energy, that it's time for that shift to
00:59:01.660 happen, not just for us here in Alaska, but for everyone.
00:59:04.480 and learning about these issues,
00:59:10.720 learning about what's happening
00:59:12.080 and standing up for their own territories
00:59:15.300 and not allowing further destruction to continue
00:59:22.520 because all our children look at us.
00:59:26.280 They're all looking at us.
00:59:28.840 What are we leaving them?
00:59:31.400 That's what we all need to start thinking about.
00:59:34.480 especially decision-makers.
00:59:37.240 Stand up, speak up, raise your voice.
00:59:40.460 We only have one Earth.
00:59:48.880 Today on Unlearn and Rewild,
00:59:51.100 we've been joined from Alaska's North Slope
00:59:53.340 by Wichin tribal members and Earth Protectors,
00:59:57.740 Faith Jamil and Princess Lukai,
01:00:00.840 along with our host, Ayanna Young.
01:00:02.600 The music we featured today was first from Athabascan songster
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01:00:10.440 and then T-Hawk featuring Red Hawk Woman with Crazy Enough
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