For The Wild - KANDI MOSSETT on the Hidden Costs of Modernity ⧸53

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00:00:30.000 The silence is broken by somebody crying

00:00:38.120 Trying to be heard, never a word

00:00:41.760 Always the attitude, sort out your own

00:00:45.140 Always alone

00:00:46.920 Wishing for something the world is denying

00:00:50.800 Out in the wilderness somebody's crying

00:01:00.000 Somebody wishing for something to happen

00:01:09.280 Wishing to tell, wishing to help

00:01:12.700 Someone was listening, someone who cared, never despaired

00:01:18.380 Someone to lean on and someone to trust

00:01:23.020 Who needs your assistance and finds your disguise

00:01:27.120 Hello, and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young. Today we are speaking with

00:01:42.560 Kandi Mossett, Mandan Hidatsa Arikara from North Dakota. She has emerged as a leading voice in the

00:01:50.080 fight to bring visibility to the impacts that climate change and environmental injustice are

00:01:54.980 having on indigenous communities across North America. After completing her master's degree

00:02:00.820 in environmental management, Ms. Mossett began her work with the Indigenous Environmental Network

00:02:05.860 as the tribal campus climate change coordinator, engaging with more than 30 tribal colleges

00:02:12.480 to instate community-based environmental programs, discuss issues of socio-ecologic injustice,

00:02:20.040 and connect indigenous youth with green jobs.

00:02:23.160 She currently serves as the IEN's lead organizer

00:02:26.300 on the Extreme Energy and Just Transition campaign,

00:02:30.200 focusing at present on creating awareness

00:02:32.640 about the environmentally and socially devastating effects

00:02:35.860 of hydraulic fracturing on tribal lands.

00:02:38.560 Her local work is complemented by international advocacy work,

00:02:43.000 including participation in several United Nations forums

00:02:46.280 and a testimony before the U.S. Congress

00:02:48.660 on the climate issues and its links to issues of health, identity, and well-being on tribal lands.

00:02:56.840 Well, thank you so much, Candy, for joining us today. And I look up to you so much. It's an

00:03:03.280 honor to have you with us. Thank you. It's really good to be here with you. I've missed you so much

00:03:09.380 ever since you left Standing Rock is when I think it might have been the last time I saw you. And

00:03:15.580 I've just really appreciated all you did to support us out there. It was really great.

00:03:20.700 Thank you. Yeah, those were incredible times to share together. And you've been at the forefront

00:03:28.600 of so many complex issues. And I'm just truly appreciative of your tireless work in bringing

00:03:35.140 visibility to the impacts that climate change and environmental injustice have on Indigenous

00:03:41.260 communities worldwide. And, you know, your home is in North Dakota and it harbors the Bakken oil

00:03:48.960 fields where hydraulic fracturing operations extract massive amounts of gas from underlying

00:03:56.640 shale deposits and where the Dakota Access Pipeline stems from. So you've felt the depths

00:04:02.880 of devastation experienced by people at the source of oil extraction, as well as understanding the

00:04:10.340 far-reaching impacts that follow the path of oil from source to market and then beyond you know

00:04:16.500 from the heavy machinery that is almost certainly built by the hands of slave labor to the cascading

00:04:23.160 ecological consequences that come from fracking such as the toxification of our sacred life source

00:04:30.640 which is water not and not to even mention the millions of cubic feet of gas flares released

00:04:35.780 into the atmosphere during standard operations. No one is left unscathed by the trauma of

00:04:42.360 extractive industry. And so I think while a greater awareness surrounding the brutality

00:04:48.780 of corporate oil extraction has grown in light of Standing Rock, most of us still only hold a

00:04:54.700 limited understanding of fracking. It's connectivity to other extractive industries,

00:05:00.260 such as the tar sands in Alberta, or just the deep ecological and social consequences it reaps

00:05:05.640 in countless communities. I'm wondering if you could take us beyond this surface understanding

00:05:11.880 of fracking and share with us parts of the story that are left untold. Sure. So usually when I speak

00:05:20.240 to people about the dangers around fracking, I let people know that, yeah, of course, it's

00:05:26.960 actually really horrific for the environment. It's not something that's even a question or

00:05:31.540 should be a question about the millions and millions of gallons of water that is consumed

00:05:37.260 you know six million gallons per frack and each rig each oil well that you might see out on the

00:05:45.640 landscape can be fracked upwards of 30 times at the most and so we're talking about my reservation

00:05:53.380 that has I think 1200 operating rigs and wells right now so you imagine the millions and millions

00:06:01.100 gallons of water you imagine the air pollution from all the flaring a lot of things times people

00:06:08.280 don't understand that in north dakota they're not interested in the natural gas they're interested

00:06:14.100 in the oil this is why they're fracking in north dakota the natural gas is actually a byproduct

00:06:19.280 of the industry and so they're flaring most of it into the atmosphere and have been doing so

00:06:24.520 for 10 years it has been a decade that we have been trying to regulate at the very least regulate

00:06:33.860 these industry and have been pushing for stricter methane rules so that this can't happen you know

00:06:41.620 anywhere else in the world you can flare for a year maximum maximum well they've been getting

00:06:46.700 an extension every year for a decade to continue to be able to drill and our babies are sick we've

00:06:53.540 seen increases in asthma and in this RSV which is upper respiratory problem in your system that

00:06:59.820 causes you not to be able to breathe where babies have to be like put on machines so they can breathe

00:07:05.260 and people you know in my family and my communities are always complaining about colds

00:07:10.740 lasting for a really long time or sinus problems you know trying to figure out what's wrong with

00:07:17.400 them not necessarily associating it with the fact that they're living right in communities where we

00:07:23.240 don't even have setback regulations on our reservation, which is called Fort Berthold

00:07:27.620 in North Dakota. It's also the sweet spot of where one-fifth of the oil is coming out of the Bakken

00:07:33.800 is from our reservation. And there are no setback requirements from lakes, houses, homes, buildings.

00:07:41.000 There's a couple of oil rigs that are right behind an apartment building where people live with kids,

00:07:47.500 where they play and ride their bikes right there. And so all of the environmental impacts are

00:07:52.720 horrific enough, but people don't necessarily hear about the social impacts that happen as a

00:07:57.800 result of fracking. Ever since this industry came into our community, it has flipped our lives

00:08:05.620 upside down and really destroyed a lot. I mean, it's really hard to even talk about because

00:08:14.220 I have to recall all of the really horrific things that have happened probably starting in 2008

00:08:22.200 when a friend of mine was killed by a semi-truck we saw an exponential increase in truck traffic

00:08:30.360 because that was how they were delivering the fracked water the clean water and the oil

00:08:37.040 semi-trucks and they still continue to do that they just had control over the roads there was no

00:08:41.980 it was like free reign for semis you know Cassie was the first person I can recall that was killed

00:08:49.800 buy a semi-truck who was illegally hauling because his record log showed that he was

00:08:56.180 over his time for how many hours he was supposed to be working and that happens often in the

00:09:03.060 industry because it's it was it's a rush to get it in get it out get it done as quick as possible

00:09:08.020 before anything can be regulated you know you make money make money make money at all costs

00:09:13.700 and in this case it was at the expense of a 23 year old's life and so we remember Cassie

00:09:20.280 and still get really emotional about her being killed and nobody was held accountable for that

00:09:28.260 and it's happened numerous times since then that people have been killed in accidents

00:09:35.960 I think the number is around 47 people just on the reservation that have been killed since Cassie.

00:09:44.220 So since 2008, running alongside the road, doing your morning run, driving kids to school.

00:09:52.100 Little kids have been killed.

00:09:54.920 Whatever the accidents, they're all involving trucks and semis.

00:09:58.740 And that's just the semis.

00:10:00.320 This doesn't include the man camps that started springing up all over the place, which literally are camps of hundreds, sometimes thousands of men because they come from all over the world to make money, to work in this oil industry.

00:10:16.760 And so they didn't necessarily have any place to live when they first came to North Dakota.

00:10:22.200 And they started just living in RVs, in RV parks, and maybe like little tiny FEMA trailers or sheds.

00:10:31.080 Some of the companies provided housing.

00:10:33.300 Some of the companies didn't provide housing.

00:10:34.960 And so the rents in North Dakota started going up.

00:10:40.040 You might be paying $500 a month, one month, for a one-bedroom apartment.

00:10:45.760 And even that was expensive. But the next month, it would be $2,500. And if you couldn't pay,

00:10:51.920 you were out. And that happened to a lot of people literally getting displaced from their

00:10:57.040 homes, not just average, ordinary people, but elders, elders housing, where they have

00:11:05.060 a complex for elder people. They jacked up their rent. And if they couldn't pay for it,

00:11:11.060 they were out on the street. We had people living in the casino because they didn't have

00:11:14.860 anywhere else to go because the oil industry took over trailer courts whole entire trailer courts

00:11:20.840 were displaced because on the reservation we don't own all of the land even though it's within the

00:11:26.960 boundaries of our reservation there's trust land that's held in trust by the federal government

00:11:31.600 there's fee patent land and then there's tribal alati land and so the only land a native person

00:11:37.120 actually owns is the alati land but a lot of the land that's held in fee or that's fee land is owned

00:11:43.320 by non-native people. And unfortunately, three of the trailer courts in my community were on

00:11:48.560 fee land and they were all forcibly removed to make room for oil workers to live. We had to fight

00:11:55.080 just to get people to be able to move to a place where they can continue to live. And these are

00:12:00.140 entire families with children. They had to be in school. And they basically said, well, you know,

00:12:06.140 sorry for you, you got to get off the land. You have, you know, 30 days. We had to fight for

00:12:10.900 extensions so that people could actually move we had to fight to get help moving trailers or getting

00:12:16.980 new trailers because some of them were so old they would just fall apart and it just continued

00:12:21.840 to happen and the sickest one was right on main street where i come from this community called

00:12:26.420 newtown which is about 1200 people which is our largest community on the reservation they put a

00:12:32.780 big fence around it with an electric gate and you can only get in or out if you had this little key 0.96

00:12:37.900 card you know even though it's on the reservation just right in our faces and with those man camps

00:12:45.040 came horrific wicked violence not only against women but against children against boys

00:12:53.200 against other men in our community I can't even begin to describe how disturbing it's been

00:13:02.200 And this last decade, I lost a cousin who was at a bar, a local bar.

00:13:08.580 And he offered to give a guy a ride home, a guy in the oil industry.

00:13:13.540 And this guy ended up stabbing him in the heart.

00:13:19.060 He set his truck on fire.

00:13:22.700 And when they caught him, they said, oh, I think he was trying to make a pass at me.

00:13:27.240 And so he murdered him.

00:13:28.360 and it wasn't just that I mean two streets up from my mom's house in Newtown so she's on fourth

00:13:38.500 street this was up on sixth street there was like a whole police standoff with these people that

00:13:43.940 were in a house I think they must have been on drugs and they were shooting at the police and

00:13:50.220 there was an entire standoff for a few days before they finally got them out of there they had to

00:13:54.320 like take a tractor and like knock it into the house this is just like a little community where

00:14:00.900 the worst thing that used to happen was us at Halloween time egging our teachers houses

00:14:06.480 like that was the crime and vandalism that occurred prior to the oil boom and now people

00:14:13.200 are being killed there's there's car chases going right through our main street where police are

00:14:17.200 actually chasing high speed chases of people because of the drug activity too. Whenever

00:14:24.140 industry comes to a community and men come to work or, or some women, they have this money

00:14:31.740 and it's a lot of money. The crime follows the money. The drugs follow the money. So we have

00:14:39.060 a group called MS-13, which I remember watching a documentary about years ago thinking, oh my God,

00:14:46.620 they're really scary you know that's something that only happens in the big cities that's

00:14:51.140 something that is only in Los Angeles or something you know or in the prison systems because

00:14:56.400 they actually are highly organized in the prison they started in Venezuela

00:14:59.860 and now because of all of this we have MS-13 gang members in North Dakota in my little tiny

00:15:07.740 community pushing heroin on people and heroin is something that we never had to deal with

00:15:14.800 ever before in our communities and a lot of the violence had to do around that drug violence and

00:15:23.440 people in my community young girls got addicted to heroin and had no services to help them there

00:15:32.060 was already too much going on with our local police force there wasn't enough police to deal

00:15:36.960 with all the crime and so whenever somebody got hooked on drugs they thought well you know they're

00:15:42.560 just a drug addict it's their fault whatever happens to them and in the past few years I've

00:15:47.540 buried two friends of mine that had over need on heroin and didn't get the help that they needed

00:15:55.000 to get off of it and Ashley was only 26 and Lisa was my age and has left behind five kids and

00:16:04.160 there's no justice for them it's just oh another one of those those druggies and so

00:16:11.920 So my cousin, my cousin Daniel, he disappeared in November of 2013.

00:16:18.720 He was with two known gang members of MS-13 the night he disappeared.

00:16:23.040 And when we couldn't find him for months and months, they finally began to do an actual investigation.

00:16:30.240 They finally actually began searching for him months later after he had gone missing.

00:16:35.240 And he was found in the spring under the bridge in the water in the lake by some fishermen.

00:16:42.540 They had to have dental records to identify his body.

00:16:45.800 But because there wasn't any gunshot wounds or stab wounds or anything like that,

00:16:50.140 it was considered an accidental drowning.

00:16:53.220 And the case was open and shut.

00:16:55.340 And they never did find who did it.

00:16:57.780 They never found what happened, what actually happened to him, why he disappeared that night.

00:17:03.320 It didn't go any further.

00:17:04.760 he was murdered and my family will never know why and it's frustrating and it's hard and it's

00:17:10.820 like stuff that you cannot even make up for growing up in a small community in North Dakota

00:17:17.920 it's just something that you would think you would see on a tv show like a really violent tv show

00:17:23.500 and in fact they have made tv shows about the incidences that have occurred there was one

00:17:28.880 called blood and oil that was based on North Dakota and I think it was on for like one season

00:17:34.480 because it was so ridiculous they tried to film it in Utah but based on North Dakota and we have

00:17:40.240 no mountains and so people were like this is just ridiculous but people thought oh my god this is so

00:17:46.860 far-fetched that was the ratings that the movie got little did they know that that movie was based

00:17:52.480 on actual events that had occurred we had a tribal chairman Tex Hall that was our former

00:17:59.420 tribal chairman before our current one and he signed all these leases and signed all these deals

00:18:05.480 and let the federal government rubber stamp that yes this industry and this drilling is in the best

00:18:12.020 interest of all the people that's all it took was one rubber stamp from the federal government

00:18:16.280 to drill in our lands well he also in a conflict of interest had oil interests and was trying to

00:18:22.280 work with a business partner in developing oil. And that business partner ended up being

00:18:29.240 a horrific human being that is now behind bars, because he actually ordered the murder of two

00:18:36.640 individuals that were carried out. You can read about it in the newspapers, what happened

00:18:43.060 with Texthall and his cronies is what we call them. It started, there was a kid that went missing

00:18:51.400 his name was Casey Clark and it started to become the norm we actually had a coalition of people

00:18:57.580 that were looking for missing people because so many would just disappear so Casey Clark was a

00:19:04.220 non-native man kid really that went missing in 2012 and you know we knew about it we knew that

00:19:11.560 people were searching for him and we tried to help search for him this all happened on the reservation

00:19:17.080 and it turned out that somebody ended up getting shot in another state oh gosh I'm trying to think

00:19:26.320 of where it was in Washington he got shot and killed and so the investigation out there and

00:19:34.780 this is this is um the actual company was called Blackstone anyway the guy got caught and the guy

00:19:43.200 ended up saying oh it was this James Henriksen and James Henriksen is the business partner that

00:19:50.140 was in business with our tribal chairman at the time and they were trying to unite Blackstone

00:19:54.680 which is what Henriksen owned and Mahishu Energy which is what our chairman owned. Combine those

00:20:00.900 two businesses together and this Casey Clarkson had a stake in it. I believe it was a four hundred 0.96

00:20:08.480 thousand dollar investment well it turned out that Casey Clark didn't want to be in the business

00:20:13.880 anymore and so they actually killed him and it all came out after the person in Washington Spokane

00:20:20.360 Washington got shot and the person got caught and he said well I was hired to do this and the same

00:20:28.460 person was hired to kill Casey Clark and Casey Clark was I think 23 years old and I don't think

00:20:35.580 that they ever found him because where they originally buried him somebody must have moved

00:20:40.080 him because they went to dig it up and they they didn't find him there and the guy said to his

00:20:46.940 family you know in court and everything well how did casey actually die and he said we hit him in

00:20:52.660 the back of the head with the metal rod until his head was soft and that was in a in a shop on the

00:20:58.520 reservation where i grew up and these guys were working with our chairman our former tribal

00:21:04.540 chairman so these two people committed murder and they were basically found guilty over the

00:21:11.760 last few years Henriksen's wife turned him in like she's the one who signed all these contracts

00:21:18.500 to make it happen so to sum up this story basically this whole blood and oil movie that

00:21:24.800 came out was based around this disgusting former chairman of ours who was working with people to

00:21:31.740 put together a company and people ended up dying as a result of the money associated with it and

00:21:39.560 it stemmed from the reservation i grew up on to go through all of these kind of things like people

00:21:46.780 don't talk about the social impacts as much as they do the environmental impacts which are

00:21:54.020 equally devastating in my mind you can see the devastation and the social impacts with the

00:22:01.480 increases in the violence against our women, against our children, against anybody associated

00:22:07.520 with money in the oil patch. People are literally willing to kill for that money. It's all on record.

00:22:15.860 You know, it's not something that you have to take my word for. You can just do a simple Google

00:22:20.400 search and it'll bring up the entire hellish story about what happened and what we've been

00:22:27.240 fighting against. Also on a reservation, it's so much more difficult because we are supposedly

00:22:35.420 sovereign nations unless we need help when we need the state to help with our roads and our

00:22:40.400 infrastructure. Oh, you're sovereign nations all of a sudden. But when it comes to the oil,

00:22:44.640 they want it and they want to take as much as they can. In fact, the state of North Dakota

00:22:48.880 has gotten over a billion dollars in taxes alone, just off of what's come out of our reservation,

00:22:54.400 over a billion dollars and none of it goes back into the infrastructure for us on the reservation

00:23:01.200 at all and the state itself is a fossil fuel state and has been for several years i mean we have on

00:23:09.740 top of the oil extraction seven coal-fired power plants that have been polluting every single bit

00:23:14.880 of our over 11 000 miles of rivers lakes and streams for years we have fish advisories from

00:23:20.880 the North Dakota State Health Department telling us how much fish you can consume per month and

00:23:24.920 how big they have to be and you have to throw the big ones back which of course nobody in my family

00:23:29.780 does the bigger the fish you get the better and so all of these things that are associated with

00:23:36.100 cumulative impacts because we already have a high incidences of cancers and asthmas prior to this

00:23:41.820 boom because of the mercury contamination because of previous oil booms that were conventional oil

00:23:47.620 not fact oil and because of the nation's only commercial scale coal gasification plant which

00:23:53.580 exists in north dakota they also have uranium mining we have over 8 000 miles of underground

00:23:59.220 nuclear warheads stored throughout our state from the minor military base everything bad that you

00:24:06.580 could imagine it's there now the saddest thing about everything is that because it's been a whole

00:24:12.440 decade now people have become apathetic to it like they're used to seeing flares all over in

00:24:18.660 the night skies they're used to seeing oil rigs they're used to seeing oil workers and strangers

00:24:24.040 in our community it's really sad that everything feels so different it's not really about the

00:24:33.900 culture anymore I mean even if you go to the local powwows the annual celebrations that we hold in

00:24:40.400 our different communities there were a couple of times where in the arbor where we dance

00:24:44.660 there were big big signs like hella britain sponsored by you know and we actually had to

00:24:51.540 fight against our own council and say how could you do this to us and why would you sell us out

00:24:57.700 you know other tribes fight back against him why won't you and they say because they tell us they're

00:25:02.780 going to come and take it anyways we might as well get money and in the past when they've come

00:25:07.600 When the government or the industry or anybody has come here and said they're going to do something, they do it.

00:25:13.320 And they say they're going to take something away from us, they do it.

00:25:16.620 And we're tired of it.

00:25:17.920 We're tired of being defeated.

00:25:19.360 It was like a if you can't beat them, join them type of attitude.

00:25:23.200 And that's where we are right now with our waters being polluted.

00:25:28.220 My brother called me just the other day and left me a message early in the morning and said,

00:25:31.780 Sister, I just was going to work today.

00:25:34.840 I drove across the bridge and they saw something on the top of the water it looked really bad it

00:25:39.300 was an oil slick or an oil sheen it looked really weird it was a weird color you better call fishing

00:25:45.380 game you better find out what it was and I tried to make some phone calls I tried to find out and

00:25:50.020 nobody knew anything about it and that later on that day it was gone and I haven't heard any kind

00:25:55.820 of follow-up from what happened to it and it's really hard because I've seen these blue green

00:26:03.160 algae blooms and different things I'm not saying that that's what that was but they're toxic and

00:26:07.740 they've only increased and been horrific in our lake ever since the oil industry started with the

00:26:13.200 chemicals that they're putting in and so I think that one of the worst things is that there's

00:26:18.400 nobody in our state that we can turn to because they're all for the industry not just our tribal

00:26:22.960 council but the state and then the federal government especially now in this administration

00:26:27.620 with number 45. Oh my God. And so that's just the extraction zone. I'm just telling you about

00:26:35.220 where the oil for the Dakota Access Pipeline, the Bayou Bridge Pipeline, all these bomb trains

00:26:42.580 is coming from. That's the extraction zone. And then you have all of the symptoms associated with

00:26:51.380 that, that snake their way out in the form of bomb trains, in the form of pipelines that leak

00:26:57.100 and burst and they take that negativity and that death and that really horrific everything they

00:27:04.560 take that with them right down the pipe right down the rail right down the truck tracks and

00:27:09.440 affect and impact other communities i mean there was a train that came from the bakken

00:27:15.940 and that went into canada la magnétique i always say it wrong but 47 people were killed

00:27:23.040 when that drain blew up because this oil in the Bakken is also a lot more prone to sparking and

00:27:30.700 to starting on fire it's a lot more dangerous than conventional oil I can't find my words because

00:27:35.620 I'm having a hard time as we talk about these things but it's just the oil is definitely more

00:27:41.520 prone to being volatile there you go is the word and it's happened all over the country now where

00:27:47.380 people have been fighting saying they don't want the trains they don't want the trucks and so this

00:27:51.840 pipelines are the latest brainchild because people argue that oh it's the safest when in reality it's

00:27:58.660 not the safest it's just the most out of sight and out of mind there's accidents with oil no

00:28:04.540 matter where you go whether it's train truck pipeline or boat those are the four main modes

00:28:11.680 of transportation and they all have accidents and that all impact people they all impact the

00:28:20.140 environment and oftentimes what I talk about is why do we have to take it out in the first place

00:28:28.160 and that's why we work on this campaign that's called the keep it in the ground campaign

00:28:32.560 that we don't need this oil and anybody that looks at any Native American person that says

00:28:38.280 you need oil because you've always had it is off their rocker they don't know what they're talking 0.99

00:28:43.260 about because we have lived for thousands of years without them and have been much better off

00:28:49.880 than the last 200 years of this so-called industrial revolution where we've seen horrific

00:28:56.600 climate change related events that all have to do with human caused problems and anthropogenic

00:29:04.480 humans have been the cause of global crises the temperatures rising and so what are we dealing

00:29:10.420 with right now hurricanes and strong hurricanes a bunch of friends right now in the gulf coast

00:29:19.100 region that need relief that whose houses are flooding again who need help and support there's

00:29:26.540 over 6 000 people right now in texas alone that still need help that have been displaced from

00:29:31.840 their homes and you can look at a larger scale picture and see that there's also massive flooding

00:29:37.220 happening in Asia and all of this is happening while I sit here and look out my own window

00:29:42.400 here I'm in Montana and I see haze-filled sky because we're burning up the state has at least

00:29:49.540 25 fires burning that's just Montana that doesn't even talk about all of the wildfires burning in

00:29:55.640 Oregon and California and Washington and that is what climate change looks like droughts in one

00:30:03.980 area, flooding in another area. And the scariest thing for me is that this stuff has been prophesied

00:30:13.440 over 300, 400, 500 years ago. They talked about a time that would come when we would have to make

00:30:22.100 a decision about which path we were going to choose. One path would lead to the road of

00:30:27.860 renewal and hope and a future for our children and another path would lead to death and destruction

00:30:35.500 and it's like right now we have our foot on the wrong path and now we have this

00:30:41.600 trump as the president and you know i i don't know there's even biblical prophecies about the

00:30:50.840 antichrist and i sit here and i wonder is that him because that's how bad of a person he is and

00:30:57.720 he's running this country and it's like we've gotten how have we gotten so out of control that

00:31:03.600 we allow these things to happen but then I look on the upside of things and see how it's brought

00:31:08.960 so many more people together that are like-minded to fight against the broken system because that's

00:31:14.200 what it is the system that is broken we have done too much damage to ourselves as humanity and and

00:31:22.280 people argue with me all the time they say well do you drive a car do you fly anywhere how do you

00:31:27.660 get there and I have to defend myself and say yeah I drive a hybrid vehicle that I had to pay

00:31:34.220 an arm and a leg to afford just because I'm trying to do my part and trying to do better and it

00:31:40.400 shouldn't be you do this you do that and all of us squabbling against each other because that's

00:31:45.820 what the industry wants the industry is the problem that needs to be blamed because they

00:31:51.860 know what they're doing and how it's impacting our climate and in people but they do it anyways

00:32:00.960 because they're making millions and billions of dollars off of an industry that destroys

00:32:06.040 and the ultimate thing that it comes down to every single time is money

00:32:11.100 when are they going to realize you can't drink oil and you can't eat money

00:32:17.720 But what we're fighting for is to make sure that it's not when it's too late.

00:32:47.720 Thank you.

00:33:17.720 Thank you.

00:33:47.720 Candy, thank you so much for sharing these devastating stories

00:34:07.880 and for being vulnerable and sharing your tears with us.

00:34:13.120 And I think a lot of people are suffering right now

00:34:17.480 humans and non-humans alike and it's really easy to be desensitized because the system wants that

00:34:25.800 I think that when you're able to share your vulnerabilities and your tears I know for me it

00:34:32.600 taps into my own heart and it allows me to grieve alongside you and not stay in this detached place

00:34:41.660 I mean, it's really, it's difficult to take it all in and to keep going every day when

00:34:47.760 there is so much to work for and there aren't a lot of wins and, you know, the stories that

00:34:57.300 you've been sharing with us, just one of those stories is devastating.

00:35:04.400 And so to see the compounding effect of all of these devastations, I just have that much

00:35:10.760 more love and respect for you to hear that you're not only able to connect with your vulnerability

00:35:17.740 and your pain but also that you get up every day and you keep going and you see a regenerative

00:35:24.940 future and you're extremely engaged and one thing that really sparked me was this call-out culture

00:35:35.340 of what you were explaining when people go well do you drive a car do you fly a plane and it's not

00:35:42.600 necessarily the people it's the system and I think as our movements and intersections among movements

00:35:48.960 grow that we are witnessing an increasing diversity of people gathering and awakening

00:35:55.040 together which is beautiful but it's inevitable that conflict will also arise among us what are

00:36:02.400 your thoughts on why horizontal hostility takes such a stronghold within movements of resistance

00:36:08.300 how can we honor our unique positionalities and biases and sufferings without letting them

00:36:16.680 escalate into restricting divisions within movements and instead redirect all that energy

00:36:23.560 and fire towards working for our shared goals yeah i think that it's just important to have

00:36:31.060 self-care for me it's hanging out with my um little one I have a four-year-old and she really

00:36:37.360 has put my life into perspective the whole water is life many which only water of life

00:36:43.380 it literally means you know how how water is the first life and everything stems from that

00:36:51.180 around that and that is one thing that regardless of how different we are different in the way we

00:36:56.860 see ourselves as far as color religion age background you know all of these different

00:37:02.900 ways that people kind of get categorized and kind of get put into boxes it doesn't really matter at

00:37:10.380 the end of the day we're all humanity and we all need the same things to survive which is water to

00:37:15.560 drink and clean air to breathe and soil to grow food there's no way around it there's no denying

00:37:21.500 that humanity is so much more similar than we could have ever even maybe wanted to admit to

00:37:29.940 and it's this square thinking that got us in these problems in the first place putting us in boxes and

00:37:37.740 labeling everyone and you know acting like humanity is above the system or around the

00:37:45.280 system when we in fact are a part of the system we are here in it just like every creature from

00:37:51.980 the smallest ant you know to the biggest animal whatever that may be out there we are we are part

00:38:00.300 of a cycle that isn't a cliche thing to say when we talk about you know the circle of life and

00:38:07.800 And I think a big part of what we have to gain, again, collectively, is respect.

00:38:15.560 We, and I say we because we're all in it together, whether we're in agreement with the industry or not,

00:38:22.360 we have lost respect as humanity for ourselves.

00:38:28.440 And it shows.

00:38:29.760 Because if you don't respect yourself, how in the world are you going to respect the smallest ant?

00:38:35.560 How are you going to respect a wetland?

00:38:37.800 respect wildlife, respect all of the things that are happening around us that are negative.

00:38:44.360 And we've lost that respect that used to exist.

00:38:48.780 And I know not all of us have that traditional knowledge still exists,

00:38:54.300 but it doesn't exist in enough people for a large-scale understanding

00:38:59.640 of what it means to be truly connected.

00:39:04.060 And I can see why.

00:39:05.120 I mean, I grew up in rural communities.

00:39:08.200 I grew up in North Dakota.

00:39:09.780 I'm in Montana now.

00:39:11.060 Wide open spaces, being on the land.

00:39:14.500 I love laying down in the grass and looking up at the stars.

00:39:18.820 I love being outside, listening to the birds.

00:39:21.920 I love being next to the water, listening to the waves, gently lapping up on the shore.

00:39:27.060 But so many people don't have that or they have to go on a vacation to get that and it's only temporary.

00:39:33.020 and i can see how there's been a huge disconnect with reality reality is not television is not

00:39:42.940 hustling from nine to five that's a false reality that's been created in this market driven system

00:39:48.640 to say you have to do this in order to survive you have to work yourself to death to provide

00:39:55.880 for your children if you want to pay for health care bills because we've given so much power to

00:40:00.940 money and when you really get down to it at the end of the day it actually has no power

00:40:06.400 because the power lies in the individual being able to go out and see where they can dig up a

00:40:13.020 turnip in my case or where they can find the wild berries and different wild foods wherever other

00:40:19.260 people are located I mean all the stuff that we have today that is processed and that you can buy

00:40:25.900 frozen in a store has nothing to do with the reality of where that came from there are people

00:40:31.300 in the cities that are children that think that you know stuff comes from a grocery store and it

00:40:38.460 doesn't go beyond that you can get in your car and you can drive to work and you can sit in a

00:40:43.260 building and you work all day and you get back in your car and you drive home where you don't even

00:40:47.400 have to hardly ever be outside and there's climate controlled systems where you can have heating

00:40:52.280 and you can have air conditioning and I think that that's all part of this capitalistic model

00:41:00.120 of living that has been all-consuming especially in the United States and people if they would

00:41:06.960 just stop to take a minute to think about who's being impacted by those kinds of comforts that

00:41:13.100 we have because they're not free there there are people that are dying to have those comforts there

00:41:20.180 are people that are suffering that we might have those comforts and there is so much beauty on this

00:41:27.820 planet and there is so much food available for everyone that is available but instead we're just

00:41:35.560 a society of waste and throw away and no respect no respect for ourselves so no of course we don't

00:41:41.140 respect our ecosystem I think that it's really sad but it's more than that it's our problem

00:41:48.880 as humanity and we have to own up to it collectively and face it and we have to take

00:41:57.520 a stand against the industry and say why are they even allowed to produce the things that they do

00:42:03.220 why are they allowed to produce gas guzzling vehicles when they know we're facing a climate

00:42:09.060 crisis why isn't there an entire fleet of you know solar powered plug-in vehicles that we can

00:42:17.680 afford that people can have if they need to drive from point a to point b why aren't community

00:42:23.600 gardens taught in every single school why is our history still being dictated by somebody else's

00:42:29.900 history where indigenous cultures are lied about in history books like all of these things are

00:42:36.360 changing they are coming to a head but it's not going to continue to change until people are

00:42:41.300 willing to accept the fact that we messed up and are going in the wrong direction and if we really

00:42:48.100 truly want to save ourselves collectively we will give into the fact that we're all the same at the

00:42:53.540 end of the day and that we've given false power to money and that we've let somebody else take

00:42:59.160 over and control our lives we can be happier we can be healthier it's really sad that people

00:43:06.120 actually leave the united states for example to go to other countries to slow down to have a better

00:43:10.840 pace of life because the united states is the model of capitalism that all others want to model

00:43:16.560 themselves after and it's really sickening to come to that realization that companies shouldn't even

00:43:23.220 be allowed to make the things that you use to clean your house open your cupboard look under

00:43:28.120 your sink how many toxic things exist in there that don't have to be there how many things do

00:43:34.620 you see that are one-time use things.

00:43:36.580 Oh, use it and throw it away.

00:43:38.220 Where do people think when you throw things away,

00:43:40.580 where do they think it goes?

00:43:42.060 It just disappears and it's no longer an issue.

00:43:45.540 That's the whole out of sight, out of mind thing.

00:43:48.700 And it's not the case.

00:43:51.100 It goes to a landfill or ends up in the ocean.

00:43:53.860 It ends up somewhere.

00:43:55.440 There's garbage. 0.69

00:43:56.700 And people can look at their own footprint as an individual 0.99

00:43:59.780 and say, holy cow, I'm not only going to change my lifestyle,

00:44:03.160 but I'm going to push back on the industry and I'm going to push back on the government and I'm

00:44:07.220 going to tell them that it is not okay not to give us choices and alternatives. In fact, more than

00:44:13.300 choices and alternatives don't even make the things that are making us sick. They shouldn't be allowed

00:44:18.640 to. But at the end of the day, again, it comes back to how much money they can make and how much

00:44:24.160 profit they can make. And you only need to look as far as your toaster. And I like to use that as an

00:44:31.020 example because there's all these toasters this day and age and they just like break down after

00:44:35.820 a couple of years and it's funny because my mom has a toaster from like 30 years ago and it's a

00:44:40.880 good hearty steel toaster that is like totally operating just fine but it's like they make these

00:44:48.480 new products to be cheap they make them so that you'll have to dispose of them in a few years

00:44:55.900 because they'll break down look at your cell phones oh my gosh how crazy has this industry

00:45:01.620 gotten it's like oh you need an upgrade you need an upgrade you need the s 700 you need an iphone

00:45:08.060 5000 i don't know what number they're up to now but it's constant when it comes to technology

00:45:13.660 and if this is the technology that's being shared with us well then you better bet that they have

00:45:18.280 the technology to create things that aren't harmful but they choose not to use it because

00:45:23.240 they might not make as much money in the airline industry we know for a fact that if these companies

00:45:29.300 would fly a percentage higher or take a different route or use an alternative fuel they would be

00:45:37.540 able to cut down on all kinds of pollution problems they would be able to cut down on

00:45:43.260 chemtrails that are left in the skies but they're not willing to do it because it'll cost them they

00:45:48.960 won't make more money they might even lose money that's why they won't do it even though it can

00:45:54.460 help our planet and and and make our environment better they're not willing to do it because of

00:46:00.120 profit margin and that's sick it is it's it's sick it's sickening it's creating sickness in

00:46:10.780 our culture in our earth and thank you so much for connecting so many dots of the system from

00:46:17.900 these large issues that we're facing down to looking under your sink and seeing just

00:46:24.700 the immense amount of toxins that were being sold to quote clean things uh it's it's complete

00:46:33.660 madness really and it is systemic it's really in every level of our lives or at least the lives

00:46:41.300 that we're being sold that this is the way we have to survive and just keep your head down and

00:46:48.180 don't look outside and don't really see the consequences but just keep buying buying buying

00:46:53.300 as if we can buy our way out of this as it's just it is an earth crisis it's absolutely i mean an

00:47:00.440 ecological crisis but it is this crisis of the mind and another thing that i that came up for

00:47:06.540 me while you're speaking is just even the idea of peak oil and the fact that we're continuing

00:47:13.140 to not only extract, but actually extract more and more and more as we're reaching the edge of

00:47:20.340 the cliff, as we're seeing climate change, as we're seeing glaciers melt even faster and faster,

00:47:25.000 we go faster and faster with oil extraction. And I know many contend that we are reaching

00:47:31.280 peak oil. For instance, there's a large swath of foreign companies that have began to

00:47:36.800 pull their investments out of the Alberta tar sands due to operational costs and unstable market

00:47:42.740 prices. But yet the inseparable entity that is government and corporate oil just continue to

00:47:50.920 deny this reality. You know, not only do they broadcast that the success and the necessity

00:47:57.560 of fossil fuel extraction will continue unabated, but they continue to exert their power to ensure

00:48:03.100 such insanity by deregulating public lands to oil development. You know, I was reading, for example,

00:48:10.040 the Trump administration rescindment of the 2015 rule calling for disclosures on the types of

00:48:16.580 chemicals used in fracking fluids. Just with that in mind, I was wondering if you could speak about

00:48:22.340 the underlying systemic forces, which you have started to talk about that dictate the trajectory

00:48:28.560 of fracking tar sands and LNG. But how do you foresee the future of fracking and oil development

00:48:37.100 in North America, evolving in the context of peak oil, you know, and the current political madness

00:48:43.700 that we're in? Well, yeah, that's great. Because what I have seen, actually, and what we've all

00:48:52.280 seen in the industry is a downturn in the amount of profits and the amount of oil that's actually

00:48:59.040 being produced in all of it i mean even this dakota x's pipeline they were like disheartened

00:49:05.160 with the turnaround that they're getting they're supposed to be getting x amount of money or

00:49:12.480 supposed to make the economy bounce by this much and it's actually not and so i think it's really

00:49:18.020 important for people to understand that level of their own insanity they're making inquiries

00:49:25.900 blown up figures because they want to have these profits when in reality the profits aren't going

00:49:31.960 on they're coming to a downturn and I think that people really need to understand the reality

00:49:38.820 behind it and fracking specifically it's not like the old days it's not like Beverly Hillbillies

00:49:47.700 where you shoot a hole in the ground and oil comes spewing up it's extreme energy extraction

00:49:53.700 and the reason we call it that the tar sands and other oil development is because the amount of

00:49:59.300 energy that it takes to get it out either equals or overshadows the amount of energy that you

00:50:06.640 actually receive from it in the tar sands it takes three barrels of water for every one barrel of oil

00:50:14.340 that doesn't make any sense in the frack fields all around the country you're seeing devastation

00:50:21.880 in communities at unprecedented scales because they have to dig down anywhere from eight to

00:50:27.440 ten thousand feet and then they have to drill horizontally for up to two miles and create

00:50:35.320 these mini earthquakes in this shale crack it open and put profits down in there like sand

00:50:42.800 and chemicals, anywhere between 500 and 2000 of them, and to squeeze out the oil that's

00:50:50.080 left, squeeze it out, and then get rid of the natural gas that's on top in North Dakota's

00:50:54.340 case because we don't have the pipeline infrastructure and they don't want to pay for it because

00:50:57.960 the cost of natural gas is so low right now.

00:51:00.420 I see it as a dying company.

00:51:02.520 I see it as a dying industry.

00:51:04.180 It's the wrong way forward.

00:51:07.600 It's not a bridge feel.

00:51:08.920 that's another problem too where they were touting it i mean even hillary clinton was

00:51:14.560 touting natural gas as a bridge fuel and in fact the whole thing was an attack around carbon dioxide

00:51:21.500 because people realized oh carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is actually bad for us it's it's a

00:51:27.560 greenhouse gas that's restoring off our systems well instead of looking further into other

00:51:33.820 greenhouse gases they said okay let's go to natural gas let's jump to a bridge fuel let's do

00:51:37.920 fracking now we have a problem with ethane and methane emissions and those greenhouse gases are

00:51:44.580 26 times more potent than carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and now north dakota is like a huge

00:51:51.640 bubble of methane like it's a methane hot spot in the world because of the fracking

00:51:58.340 and so it's these false solutions and they all revolve around economic development and capitalism

00:52:09.000 and money so hitting them in the pocketbook hitting them where it hurts the most that's

00:52:16.640 why we started working on divestment campaigns that's why we have this website you can go to

00:52:22.100 called Mazaska Talks and Mazaska in Lakota means money and so moneytalks.org and you can find

00:52:31.380 that the investment campaigns have been wildly successful and they are all over the world

00:52:39.280 working where people are taking their money out of the banks stockholders are taking their money

00:52:44.120 away from you know these corporations that are practicing all these terrible things because we

00:52:50.300 found a way to bring back our own power we have found that they don't they're not all powerful

00:52:55.080 it's not just the way it is we have to wake up and realize our own strength and our own power

00:53:00.240 that we have as individuals and it might be just a small little bit out of that whole bigger bit

00:53:05.860 but when the entire network of human beings are doing these things collectively it is making a

00:53:12.360 huge difference and a huge shift in the way these companies think in the way they operate

00:53:17.980 they want to keep telling us it's all about supply and demand all right well we'll take our money out

00:53:23.280 of these banks we'll take our money away from the banks that are funding these major projects

00:53:27.660 because they don't just get this money out of anywhere it's not just like poof the money's

00:53:31.360 there they're using our money that we put into banks that they're leveraging to make these

00:53:36.740 multi-billion dollar projects work and they can't use our money if we put it into a local community

00:53:41.480 credit union it frustrates the heck out of them when we do that because it takes away their power

00:53:47.260 and it gives us back our power people just need to realize that we have so much more power than

00:53:53.540 we're misled to believe we have to collectively look look it right in the face look at the problem

00:54:03.000 and not say it's somebody else's problem not say somebody else is going to save the world or

00:54:10.100 oh that's not my issue my life has nothing to do with that because that is a flat-out lie

00:54:15.680 if anyone in this world believes that their life has nothing to do with environmental problems

00:54:21.860 health problems social problems they're just lying to themselves we're all connected in that sense

00:54:28.300 whether we like it or not and so you know collectively we have to join together to say

00:54:34.900 all right life doesn't have to be this way we can take back our power and make things better and it

00:54:40.240 can start with putting a plant in the window and starting your own garden you know it has to start

00:54:45.980 somewhere people have to do the little things all the tools in the toolbox and the little things i

00:54:51.020 consider are like recycling and you know switching to led bulbs and trying to curb your own energy

00:54:56.220 consumption you know those are all the little things that could be done but on a larger scale

00:55:00.320 it's not renewable energy alone that's going to save us especially not large scale we need small

00:55:05.380 scale distributed systems of wind and solar that are on each and every single house in this entire

00:55:10.360 country okay so not large scale small scale distributed but more than that until we face

00:55:16.840 the brunt cause of the problem which is capitalism which is continued growth which is the

00:55:23.680 raping and pillaging of native lands to you know take over by corporate interests we're not going

00:55:29.880 to change anything we have to be able to look injustice in the eye and say I might have been

00:55:35.880 a part of it but now I'm changing and that is when we're going to be able to heal and rebuild

00:55:42.160 our foundation because the foundation we have now particularly here in the United States is

00:55:47.600 crumbling and it's crumbling because it was built upon horrific terrible injustices and it needs to

00:55:55.600 crumble and come apart so that we can rebuild it the way that it should have been in the first

00:56:00.020 place built upon trust and strength and equality and that's the only way that we're going to get

00:56:07.220 away from capitalism and this madness that is continued growth because it never was and never

00:56:13.440 will be sustainable.

00:56:43.440 Thank you.

00:57:13.440 Thank you.

00:57:43.440 Oh 0.90

00:57:45.440 Satsang with Mooji

00:58:15.440 wow well i am feeling so fired up that i'm like everything you sound like yes yes yes just uh

00:58:25.280 it makes so much sense everything how you've described this transition away from

00:58:32.400 the inner denials or this uh hesitation this resistance towards looking injustice straight

00:58:42.000 in the face no matter what you know no matter the consequences yes life will change but nobody's

00:58:53.720 going to do it for us if we want a different world we have to be actively engaged with actually

00:59:01.360 shifting that and I think hearing you talk about the divestment campaigns that those are actually

00:59:06.700 working that when we do take our money away from extractive industries they're not going to keep

00:59:13.840 extracting oil if nobody's paying for it if they're not making a profit so it's it's a very

00:59:19.260 you know almost simple cause and effect relationship and yes this idea of personal

00:59:25.580 responsibility and small grassroots collectives that are decentralizing power decentralizing

00:59:33.800 the power over power in terms of you know renewable power because i remember speaking with

00:59:40.720 sheree foytland and you know she was discussing around her community that there's so many skilled

00:59:47.460 people that work on oil rigs and it's not about them working for another extraction company to

00:59:55.980 build solar panels it's about them building solar panels for their own community not so that they

01:00:00.540 can just be slave labored into a renewable energy system either you know part of my question is

01:00:08.980 do you see any of these things being priorities or do you think that they all kind of need to

01:00:15.300 happen simultaneously and different team members in this movement take on different parts all at

01:00:21.000 the same time if we're kind of looking at this as a domino effect what would you say are the

01:00:26.480 first dominoes that we want to hit over well that's just it i think that in in as human beings

01:00:34.260 we often let our egos get in the way whether we realize it or not i do it you do it everyone does

01:00:40.120 it whether we want to admit it or not and the thing is is that there isn't a start for the domino

01:00:44.680 tomorrow it's already begun we just have to step back and look at the big picture and see

01:00:51.240 this just transition as we call it is already happening because of all of the work on the

01:00:57.800 ground that people are already doing because so many people are waking up and recognizing

01:01:02.000 the necessity to change and if we think about it how many people were talking about climate

01:01:08.120 change and fighting back 10 years ago well I can tell you that it's not nearly as many as there are

01:01:13.400 today and 10 years yeah it's a long time earth time 100 years is a long time that's a lifespan

01:01:21.220 and we think holy smokes our lifetimes you know are are are nothing compared to earth time it's

01:01:29.600 literally a blink of an eye compared to the billions of years that this planet has been

01:01:35.700 rotating around and we have to realize that we're just one little ripple in that grand scheme of

01:01:42.820 things and so we have to take our part our action whatever it is we can do as individuals or

01:01:50.120 collectively with partnerships to do whatever we can when we're here which is such a short amount

01:01:55.240 of time so that what our effect is leads to like a positive feedback loop for 200 years from now

01:02:06.600 what is my tiny little you know place in this world that I had here going to have what kind

01:02:14.580 of impact and effect will that have a couple hundred years from now we have to think big

01:02:18.980 picture and long term and globally to understand the real consequences or the real victories of

01:02:26.220 our actions as individuals and we have to be okay with the fact that we cannot control everything

01:02:31.960 that we're not going to change everything overnight we're not going to be able to

01:02:37.040 necessarily save the world in our own lifetime but we're going to have an impact no matter what

01:02:43.120 so we have to think to ourselves what kind of impact will that be

01:02:48.440 what do I want my impact my footprint in this life to be even when I'm not here

01:02:57.720 that's the hard part I think for a lot of people that's why people get burnt out in the movement

01:03:05.260 and that's why some people just turn away from it because they think it's so overwhelming the amount

01:03:10.960 of change that we're trying to create and that's ego you can't let that get in the way of totally

01:03:18.060 stopping you from doing whatever it is so the path that we're each on can go wherever we choose

01:03:25.020 it to go it's just a matter of having more and more people wake up and choosing to go on a path

01:03:31.380 that's less destructive and a lot of times that doesn't happen unless people are educated about

01:03:36.540 the problems and the situations and are looking at the really really really big picture not just

01:03:43.200 in my backyard you know the nimby effect it's okay if you first learn about the industry because

01:03:50.080 of a project in your backyard but then go ahead and take the time to find out who else is impacted 0.95

01:03:55.040 by this same project and you'll probably find that it has a worldwide reach and I think just

01:04:00.780 opening hearts and minds to seeing the big long-term picture is what is really needed

01:04:07.600 And from my perspective, in the work that I do, the places I've been to, the people I've met, it's keeping that alive and that hope alive.

01:04:20.460 Just hope.

01:04:22.640 If there's only one thing a person can do when they wake up the next day is start with hope.

01:04:28.740 And that'll eventually snowball into taking action, into doing stuff that impacts communities.

01:04:36.040 It impacts entire neighborhoods and impacts the world.

01:04:41.160 So I don't have the advice and the, you know, this is what's going to save the world other

01:04:47.220 than to say that it just takes baby steps and hope from each individual to make that

01:04:53.060 difference.

01:04:54.480 Well, I think that was the perfect advice is that hope is the first domino.

01:05:00.200 Maybe it's a combination of awakening and the education and then getting up every day with this active hope that we can change the world around us, but not having the ego of we're going to save the world or we're going to shift this enormous juggernaut overnight or potentially even in our lifetimes.

01:05:26.420 But it's important to remember to continue feeding that path forward in our hearts with hope.

01:05:36.980 Yeah, it's a funny word.

01:05:38.200 It's something that I usually don't feel often.

01:05:41.900 But the way you said it, I'm like, well, hope does sound pretty good.

01:05:45.040 But usually I'm one of those people that it's like, hope?

01:05:47.840 Oh, gosh, what's that?

01:05:49.220 It's a feeling.

01:05:50.260 It's a feeling.

01:05:51.140 It doesn't have to be categorized.

01:05:52.860 It doesn't have to be put in a box.

01:05:54.420 it doesn't even have to be the word you use it's that feeling that you want to strive for better

01:05:59.500 because you want better better and you know think more circular think more cyclical you know we're

01:06:08.200 just there's too many boxes that have created too many problems and it's that linear thinking that

01:06:13.440 has gotten us into trouble in the first place and we have to definitely think more circular

01:06:17.520 Candy, I am so in awe of you. And I could spend hours just asking questions and listening to

01:06:28.500 your thoughts. And I really hope to have you back on the show so that we can continue going into

01:06:34.000 more and more. But I want to just, you know, ask if there's anything that you'd like to share with

01:06:42.140 the audience that can help them support your work, support the Indigenous Environmental

01:06:46.260 Network, or to look into more campaigns, any resources, websites, you know, a jumping

01:06:53.240 off point for people who have just been sharing this conversation with us and want to engage

01:06:58.400 more fully?

01:06:58.960 Sure, people can visit our website at www.ienearth.org.

01:07:05.560 We also have a sister website that we run that is usually based on a specific campaign that we have going on at any given moment, and that is www.indigenousrising.org.

01:07:20.700 So those two sites are the places to go to both donate and to find out about the various campaigns that we're working on at any given moment because there's never a shortage of work that needs to be done when it comes to environmental and climate justice and just transition work across the United States and across the planet.

01:07:41.500 And that's where we work from the grassroots, the national to the international and all the way back to the grassroots again.

01:07:48.380 And so please visit our sites and support us that way.

01:07:51.780 And of course, people can reach out to me too, you know, on the various social platforms.

01:07:56.560 I'm on Facebook and I'm on Twitter.

01:07:58.700 So is our organizations.

01:07:59.880 And you can find us there if you'd like to follow us.

01:08:04.740 Well, I'm following you.

01:08:06.560 And I'm so happy to have had you and all the crew of IEN in my life the last few years.

01:08:13.680 you have all taught me so much and cracked open my heart to a level that I didn't really know

01:08:22.640 before then and so I'm grateful and just so so warm-hearted for you all at IAN and see the work

01:08:31.680 that you do and the integrity in which you do it and it's refreshing and it's exciting and I think

01:08:39.600 you know as we've talked about this conversation it's so important to support each other and to

01:08:45.300 build relationships for the long run so thank you so much candy well thanks for doing this ayana

01:08:51.840 bye

01:09:09.600 Thank you.

01:09:39.600 Thank you.

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01:10:37.840 I'm Ayanna Young.

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01:10:53.140 I want to thank our research director, Madison Migulski, and our producers, March Young and Reach Out.

01:11:00.680 The music you heard today was Mandan Heartbreak Song by Keith Bear.

01:11:06.280 Our theme music is Silence Returns by Bo

01:11:09.520 And Like a River from Kate Wolfe

01:11:12.140 It's high on a mountain, the warm winds are blowing, and where the winds are blowing to,

01:11:38.540 There ain't no way of knowing

01:11:41.520 The mountain grass is short

01:11:44.800 It's dry and close to burning

01:11:47.540 Crying out for water

01:11:50.800 As the season's turning

01:11:53.800 Sweet smell the pine

01:11:57.360 Tall western cedar

01:12:00.500 Drifting on the wind

01:12:03.960 Through the mountains like a river

01:12:08.540 I've been too long away from this wild open sky

01:12:17.800 On the concrete trails that whine

01:12:19.940 Through the canyons dark and white

01:12:22.820 The sounds of people talking

01:12:25.660 Words of blue and gray

01:12:28.900 The smells of doors and windows

01:12:32.080 Closed against the day

01:12:35.160 Sweet smell of the pines

01:12:39.900 Tall western cedar

01:12:41.600 Drifting on the wind

01:12:45.240 Through the mountains like a river

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For The Wild - October 05, 2017

KANDI MOSSETT on the Hidden Costs of Modernity ⧸53

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