For The Wild - March 06, 2024


THREE BLACK MEN on the World as Ritual ⧸368

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00:00:00.000 Hello, For the Wild community. This week, we are thrilled to bring you a special conversation
00:00:06.680 from a dear friend of the podcast, Bayo Okomalafe. Recorded while in Ghana for the Three Black
00:00:12.440 Mentor, this conversation features the voices of Bayo Okomalafe, Resmaa Menakem, Orland
00:00:18.740 Bishop, Victoria Santos, and Okegbe Omonblanks Omiyemi, all of whom were involved with the
00:00:25.400 conversation and presentation of the Three Black Men tour. In 2023, Resmond, Bio, and Orland
00:00:32.660 shared space as they visited three cities across three continents, tracing a diasporic route in
00:00:39.200 reverse from Los Angeles in the United States to Salvador in Brazil, and finally to Accra in Ghana.
00:00:46.320 These three visionary Black men sharing their leading edges are inviting us into a radical
00:00:52.180 re-imagination of how we respond to our time. They sense into emergent possibilities,
00:00:59.900 triangulating towards a synthesis of new forms, new magic, and new directions.
00:01:07.460 In their beloved writings and teachings, these explorers investigate community,
00:01:13.560 racial and social justice, individual and collective trauma, ritual and healing,
00:01:18.620 new cultural forms, the promise of the monstrous, and deep interior capacities.
00:01:25.720 Their theme connects vibrant conversations on matters of embodiment, exploration of the sacred
00:01:31.800 and the ancestral, and visions of other places of power and alternative futures.
00:01:37.480 This conversation offers insight into the thoughts that moved through the team as they undertook this journey.
00:01:43.580 orland bushup is the founder and director of shade tree multicultural foundation in los angeles
00:01:54.140 where he has pioneered approaches to urban truces and mentoring at-risk youth that combine new
00:02:00.980 ideas with traditional ways of knowledge shade tree serves as an intentional community of mentors
00:02:07.220 elders, teachers, artists, healers, and advocates for the healthy development of children and youth.
00:02:14.360 Orlin's work in healing and human development is framed by an extreme study of medicine,
00:02:20.020 naturopathy, psychology, and indigenous cosmologies, primarily those of South and West Africa.
00:02:28.140 Resmaa Menakem is an American author and psychotherapist specializing in the effects
00:02:33.280 of trauma on the human body and the relationship between trauma, white body supremacy, and
00:02:38.960 racism in America.
00:02:40.880 He is the founder of Justice Leadership Solutions, a leadership consultancy firm where he dedicates
00:02:47.080 his expertise to coaching leaders through civil unrest, organizational change, and community
00:02:52.180 building.
00:02:53.440 Menachem created Cultural Somatics, which utilizes the body and resilience as mechanisms for
00:02:58.340 growth.
00:02:58.700 He is the best-selling author of My Grandmother's Hands, Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies, and was described by on-being's Krista Tippett, quote, activates the wisdom of ancestors in a very new science about how all of us carry the history and traumas behind everything we collapse into the word race in our bodies.
00:03:20.840 bio komalafe is the chief curator of the emergence network a speaker author fugitive
00:03:30.300 neo-materialist compost activist public intellectual and yoruba poet but when he
00:03:37.560 takes himself less seriously he is a father of aletheia and kaya and the grateful life partner
00:03:44.060 of EJ, as well as the sworn washer of nightly archives of dishes. The conveyor of the concepts
00:03:52.340 of post-activism, transraciality, and onto fugitivity, Bio is a widely celebrated international
00:03:59.480 speaker, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of two books, These Wilds Beyond
00:04:06.040 Our Fences, Letter to My Daughter on Humanity's Search for Home, and We Will Tell Our Own
00:04:11.300 Stories, The Lions of Africa Speak. He is also the Executive Director and Chief Curator for
00:04:16.540 the Emergence Network and hosts the online post-activist course, We Will Dance with Mountains.
00:04:25.760 Victoria Santos' work is rooted in a far-reaching vision of human potential.
00:04:31.880 She has a deep commitment to our collective liberation. Her work emphasizes intersectional
00:04:37.000 awareness, individual and collective healing, and compassionate action. She is the founder
00:04:43.060 and director of the Center for Healing and Liberation, an organization focused on healing,
00:04:48.280 wellness, and racial justice practices. Additionally, as founder and co-executive
00:04:53.540 director of BIPOC-ED Coalition, Victoria is part of a cultural change movement that prioritizes
00:05:00.680 health and wellness. Victoria advocates for more resources to flow towards BIPOC-led
00:05:06.000 nonprofits, and calls in philanthropic partners and other allies to reimagine their roles and
00:05:11.280 commitment to working with BIPOC-led organizations in more powerful ways. She is the co-creator of
00:05:17.620 the BIPOC ED sabbatical program and the Respite and Restoration program in Washington state.
00:05:25.060 Victoria knows the power of community and the wisdom that can emerge from it.
00:05:29.360 Her work is guided by the deep knowing that everyone is needed and that when we offer each
00:05:34.420 other, our compassionate listening, we cultivate our collective freedom. Victoria is a Spanish
00:05:40.420 fluent, Afro-Latina immigrant born in the Dominican Republic, living on land of the
00:05:46.440 Snohomish people, although somewhat nomadic as of late.
00:05:51.180 Omon Blanks is a creative director, festival curator, producer, and programmer. He has
00:05:56.500 a 15-year career in music, film, and as an indie label and record producer. He is the
00:06:01.880 founder and creative director of TAC, the Art Concept Organization, a documentation and archive
00:06:09.160 focused platform interested in studying African and Black societies from community, city, and
00:06:15.260 country perspectives. This is where he researches documents towards the building of an archive.
00:06:22.240 We hope you enjoy this look into the pressing questions of our times as discussed by these
00:06:27.440 incredible individuals.
00:06:31.880 it's good to be with y'all in this at the turning of the tide this crease this beautiful crease
00:06:50.020 in the fabric of our gathering together it's been wonderful being here hosted in this beautiful
00:06:57.920 country, Ghana, whose story is intricately tied with the saga of blackness, and I will
00:07:11.180 first go around, and let's introduce ourselves, just to bring ourselves into the room, so
00:07:19.160 I'll just start from the brains, the beauty, the heart, the muscle behind this beautiful project.
00:07:29.080 Victoria.
00:07:29.780 Thank you, Brother Bayo.
00:07:31.220 My name is Victoria Santos, and I hail from the Dominican Republic, and it feels really wonderful to be here in Accra, and my body recognizes this soil.
00:07:48.820 So thank you so much, brother.
00:07:50.180 Beautiful. Thank you.
00:07:52.800 And before I get to Brother Resma,
00:07:56.920 I will introduce the spirit of this particular iteration.
00:08:05.720 Brother Amon Blacks is the organizer of the Ghana leg
00:08:11.480 of this Three Black Men Project,
00:08:14.720 and I'm just going to invite him to introduce himself.
00:08:17.420 Yeah, thank you very much.
00:08:20.580 So I'm Okwuebe, Oma Blanks, Omoimi.
00:08:25.080 I always now explain the meaning of my name. 0.75
00:08:29.820 Okwuebe meaning war, W-E-A-R, will kill me.
00:08:36.900 Omoimi, which is my surname, means this child will save me.
00:08:43.060 So I'm a complete embodiment of my name.
00:08:46.680 I find calmness in chaos.
00:08:53.200 And also the entire foundation of this has been built on activated home.
00:09:03.960 For me, my body is home.
00:09:05.700 So what does it mean to be at home when you are away from your physical home?
00:09:11.460 And that was the spirit for this.
00:09:15.120 And I want to thank Victoria because when we had our first meetings
00:09:19.320 and series of meetings, I kept on saying,
00:09:21.760 would you allow me to articulate this the way I think?
00:09:28.020 And that permission was given.
00:09:31.160 And, yes, we are here now.
00:09:33.880 And Victoria was just chilling.
00:09:36.840 Which we never see.
00:09:38.180 Which we never see.
00:09:39.480 She was chilling all the way, just chilling and relaxing and vibing.
00:09:43.500 Brother, thank you so much.
00:09:44.980 Thank you.
00:09:45.440 Our gratitude, our long gratitude to you.
00:09:48.700 And then he needs no introduction.
00:09:53.080 He wears sequined gloves and socks, and he does the moonwalk on occasion.
00:10:01.380 With a purple guitar.
00:10:02.560 With a purple guitar.
00:10:04.980 My big brother, Resmaa Menachem,
00:10:08.460 And as part of this trio of brotherhood exploring blackness,
00:10:15.840 Resma, you want to say something else?
00:10:18.860 First of all, thank you, brother.
00:10:21.100 Thank you for hosting this particular thing,
00:10:24.760 but thank you for agreeing to go on this journey with me and do this.
00:10:30.520 And I'm saying that not just to you, but to Oman, Victoria, Brother Orlin.
00:10:37.240 this um this this you know you you always hear you hear people talk about you know it's a journey
00:10:43.000 and stuff like that and but it's it's it's one thing to go on something together it's an entirely
00:10:49.140 different thing to stay with the experience um you know you can always go someplace you know
00:10:56.320 what i mean but sometimes you get in the middle of going and you're like i don't know if i want
00:11:00.520 continue this and i i just appreciate how um and it's something that i i'm working with
00:11:08.120 in my life um and that this trip has actually helped me um it's kind of seared some things in
00:11:14.920 me and it's the piece around tenderness and and softness and um flexibility and and um the the
00:11:24.840 the kind of coming to grips with the warring pieces of me
00:11:32.600 and the kind of monstrous pieces of me.
00:11:37.400 And this experience here in Ghana has really,
00:11:45.840 like just all the way down to the images of W.E.B. Du Bois
00:11:50.260 and Kwame Nkrumah, you know what I mean?
00:11:51.960 Like, it's just, like, I've, my elders have talked to me about them.
00:11:58.760 And so then for me to go to W.B. Du Bois' grave, it's just like, you know,
00:12:03.980 so I just want to thank everybody for this experience.
00:12:07.520 It's just, it couldn't have, like, this experience couldn't have been any better for me.
00:12:12.580 Thank you, brother. Thank you. Thank you.
00:12:15.820 And I will introduce myself as well.
00:12:17.880 My name is Bayo Akomalafe
00:12:20.020 And
00:12:21.040 I
00:12:23.480 At this time
00:12:25.200 I'm
00:12:25.780 Acutely aware of
00:12:28.600 The
00:12:29.260 Of what prophecy is
00:12:32.620 And as I've been saying
00:12:35.900 For some time
00:12:36.740 Prophecy isn't
00:12:39.080 Merely predicting the future
00:12:41.040 You know
00:12:42.940 Like forecasting
00:12:44.800 Or analyzing trends
00:12:47.300 Of futurism
00:12:48.360 Prophecy isn't that
00:12:50.840 Prophecy doesn't look like a highway
00:12:54.200 Prophecy looks like a crossroads
00:12:56.340 It's a reconvening of the past
00:12:59.420 And the present and the future
00:13:00.580 To do other kinds of work
00:13:02.800 It's an invitation to look again
00:13:05.080 And this entire project
00:13:07.500 Right from the outset
00:13:11.220 The gates in LA 1.00
00:13:13.480 Passing through Salvador 0.79
00:13:15.360 And then landing here in Ghana
00:13:17.240 has been a beautiful invitation to look again,
00:13:22.200 to re-examine, to turn things over,
00:13:25.360 to play with, to undo, to unfurl, to break open.
00:13:31.340 So I'm grateful that we are here
00:13:37.020 at this turning of the tide
00:13:39.640 and that we can do new things together
00:13:42.840 in the Three Black Men Project.
00:13:44.680 And just in the way this is a co-emergent, open-ended process
00:13:50.960 We've just had Brother Orland join us
00:13:53.620 And Brother Orland is part of this beautiful assemblage of power 0.90
00:14:00.800 And the otherwise, that is, the Three Black Men Project
00:14:05.220 Resma has introduced himself, I have as well
00:14:07.900 We're just going to open up space for you to also introduce yourself
00:14:11.800 And say something about what it means to be here
00:14:14.360 But I want it.
00:14:17.880 Here is expanding every moment, every moment.
00:14:22.740 And I want to be more here for a longer time.
00:14:27.080 And today I realize it's coming to this point.
00:14:34.760 But what I know is here is our relationships
00:14:39.360 that I think will be for the lifetime.
00:14:44.360 And to have returned to resume
00:14:48.880 what our ancestors had already started.
00:14:53.900 Time is no longer just a lost space.
00:15:00.420 But it's here.
00:15:02.720 Time has been waiting for us.
00:15:05.040 And I felt today that what I've integrated into my time body
00:15:09.900 is a life
00:15:13.300 life stories
00:15:15.380 that have been in the
00:15:17.120 different aspects of the soil
00:15:19.340 the rain, the sun
00:15:21.240 and the people
00:15:22.880 so I
00:15:24.420 am very different
00:15:26.580 I feel myself to be so
00:15:28.500 and
00:15:30.900 sleep works differently
00:15:34.980 nutrition works differently
00:15:37.300 so this is
00:15:38.640 kind of accepting myself again.
00:15:45.720 Accepting myself again.
00:15:48.800 I think the fundamental thing about initiation
00:15:51.560 is return again,
00:15:54.760 not to what was before,
00:15:57.060 but to the agreements for me
00:16:00.540 that makes me more useful to
00:16:02.940 what I'm trying to bring into the world.
00:16:07.200 Beautiful.
00:16:08.320 So my will is open.
00:16:11.860 You're welcome, brother.
00:16:12.960 Thank you.
00:16:13.280 You're welcome.
00:16:13.900 You're welcome.
00:16:14.560 Thank you, Mr. Fray.
00:16:15.240 Brother Orlin Bishop is from Guyana.
00:16:19.040 And with this beautiful village that has been traveling,
00:16:24.840 we've been hosted and welcomed to Ghana.
00:16:32.240 And just before we say anything more about this exploration,
00:16:36.600 For those of us who are hearing about three black men for the first time,
00:16:41.600 I think we just want to tell very briefly the story of the project.
00:16:47.420 And Sister Victoria will say something about the story.
00:16:51.720 What is three black men?
00:16:55.800 Well, for the bio, as you know, every time we tell the story, it changes, right?
00:17:03.320 and it changes because it's in some ways more gets revealed every time because it's part of
00:17:15.480 us seeing in each other and seeing ourselves and within the community that gathers we see more and
00:17:22.340 more and so i can tell you that for me it started out with a dream and a desire to um to have you
00:17:31.900 be in conversations with each other and part of it came out of my own sense of almost desperation
00:17:38.260 because i spent the past 30 plus years working in predominantly spaces that were forming and
00:17:45.280 shaping and looking at women's issues and uh and i realized that i actually there was a part of me
00:17:50.900 that had really ignored um men and black men in particular um and ignore the plight um that my
00:17:59.780 brothers have been under and when i kind of confronted that in myself i um i i saw some
00:18:07.180 counsel from a dear friend um and she she gave me some guidance which was not to stay out of the
00:18:14.060 binary and not just be thinking oh i'll have two of you have a conversation but to really
00:18:18.560 invite all three of you and when when you responded back after i sent the email and you
00:18:26.580 were like, yes, yes. It felt like the energy was so clear and so pure and beautiful. And
00:18:34.960 I was so excited that immediately I called my brother Orlin.
00:18:56.580 Thank you.
00:19:26.580 And so Orlin, I'm going to throw it to you now to just, you can continue to, what happened
00:19:47.940 when you heard that, when you heard me speaking about this?
00:19:50.360 we
00:19:53.400 and I met in
00:19:55.580 Brazil and we're like
00:19:57.460 do we get to do more of that
00:19:59.900 you know
00:20:01.460 the
00:20:02.220 relational space
00:20:05.800 was quite clear
00:20:06.880 but I felt also that
00:20:09.460 you don't ask for
00:20:11.580 something unless you know
00:20:13.920 what it
00:20:15.720 could be
00:20:16.480 you have nurtured
00:20:20.280 a lot. And I felt
00:20:22.640 intended,
00:20:24.720 intention to give
00:20:25.960 something to you
00:20:27.660 in service of... So it wasn't
00:20:30.320 just about us, and
00:20:31.600 including the dream that you brought.
00:20:35.480 And there
00:20:36.320 were times when you said, you know,
00:20:38.240 the three black men, I'm saying, and
00:20:39.920 Victoria. 0.96
00:20:42.080 Because there's no three black men. 0.98
00:20:45.100 Or Victoria and the three black men. 1.00
00:20:47.560 I'm glad it's not in the pills. 0.99
00:20:50.280 So there was, because one thing I know,
00:20:58.100 there are people who trust you with what they do in the world
00:21:02.560 or what they need to be doing in the world,
00:21:04.620 and it felt like that was one of the opportunities.
00:21:09.580 And yes, it became clearer and clearer and clearer as we moved through.
00:21:14.980 Look how many people have shown up to do it.
00:21:20.280 And from L.A., we flew to Bahia, Salvador, Brazil.
00:21:27.480 And, Resma, do you want to just say something about being in Brazil?
00:21:31.120 Yeah, yeah.
00:21:31.980 You know, I think for me, Bahia, Salvador,
00:21:39.280 one of the things it did for me is that I kept hearing you two talk about technology, 0.96
00:21:48.880 the technology of black people and the technology of of of what we have and and tech not technology
00:21:58.260 in terms of twitter or something like that but technology in terms of what it is that we as
00:22:05.520 black people have that's so tied to creation that if we could just begin to cultivate it
00:22:15.080 and act like it is actually intelligence as opposed to throw away things like, 0.88
00:22:19.500 oh, it's just aesthetic, right?
00:22:22.940 That's what Baye did for me.
00:22:25.120 Like, I remember a couple times where we would be talking
00:22:28.380 and then people just break in the dance.
00:22:30.680 And I was just like, and then everybody started dancing, you know?
00:22:34.260 And how much joy, how much it didn't like,
00:22:41.080 it didn't like
00:22:43.320 usurp
00:22:46.380 the
00:22:48.140 what we needed to say
00:22:50.060 it actually added to it actually
00:22:52.020 you know what I mean
00:22:52.860 that technology
00:22:55.060 in
00:22:57.300 Salvador
00:22:58.740 helped me go
00:23:00.800 this is like real
00:23:03.420 this is like a
00:23:04.740 tangible thing
00:23:06.620 and so ever since then I've been
00:23:09.040 you know i've been writing i've been talking about the technology of blackness the technology
00:23:14.680 and not just the pigmentation of blackness but the technology of it right um and and ghana just
00:23:20.540 like blew the doors open for me beautiful yeah and that brings us to ghana the the the organizer
00:23:29.140 the engine room for this the conductor the conductor everything his voice his voice
00:23:37.920 The stentorian voice was powerful in convening us to space,
00:23:46.140 attending when it needed to be tender.
00:23:48.780 It was tender when it needed to be gargantuan.
00:23:52.940 It was like, no, everyone gets, you know, I'm Nigerian.
00:23:57.440 Everyone get on the bus.
00:23:59.640 Everyone knew to get on the bus, and you need that.
00:24:03.180 We need in unprecedented times an organizer.
00:24:06.920 a convener
00:24:08.660 but Amon do you want to say something about Ghana
00:24:11.680 what it has meant for you
00:24:13.200 and the vortices
00:24:15.580 of experiences streaming
00:24:17.320 through and how you've been able to
00:24:19.440 hold this space with the team
00:24:21.180 what does it mean to make
00:24:31.400 space for even space makers
00:24:33.360 right you know
00:24:35.340 i wanted you all to see that time was slowing down for each of you um i wanted to make a pot
00:24:44.360 of soup i love to cook you know so i wanted to make a pot of soup that everybody can eat and
00:24:52.000 it activates home uh not a pot of soup where everybody agrees that this is what we're eating
00:24:58.540 or a pot of soup where everybody has a different reality, you know?
00:25:06.440 Each plate presents something different.
00:25:12.120 And that's not easy to make.
00:25:14.920 That's why every time you see, I always say thank you to Victoria.
00:25:19.480 It's not a thank you for giving me this.
00:25:22.440 It's a thank you for letting go, you know,
00:25:26.440 so that i can make this space um so it's been amazing to see people come in you know and find
00:25:39.440 the things that they need to find um yeah so so ghana for me is it's uh
00:25:46.940 this is how it should be you know um and i'm not saying that in a prescriptive way
00:25:57.360 like oh this is no but this is how it should be and whatever that means you know um this is how
00:26:05.700 it should be you know um my when my grandmother transitioned last year june
00:26:13.260 um i cared for her until and i don't mean in a physical way um the responsibility of
00:26:23.480 taking care of our heart in this last bits of our life you know it's it's a responsibility
00:26:31.300 that nobody can really explain and in a transition i have not been able to go back
00:26:38.460 you know to see where she laid last to see the things she has left behind
00:26:48.200 nobody can access that but me because everybody knows she has left it for me but the thing that
00:26:55.780 i understand is that i don't need to go there to get all the things she has given me and that's what
00:27:03.660 for me this space is is for every single person who has made it to be able to access things that
00:27:10.920 are not tangible yeah thank you brother thank you thank you there's a lot going on there
00:27:19.020 It felt like you had located a crack in the sky
00:27:25.560 And you were, you know, conveying down gifts from this opening in the sky
00:27:31.800 To our bellies and to our heads and to our arms and to our bodies
00:27:36.680 So again, thank you very much, again and again
00:27:40.860 Three black men is a spiritual vocation
00:27:46.440 It's a vocation in thought leadership 0.98
00:27:48.660 It's a vocation in black scholarship
00:27:50.620 It's a vocation at the end of times 0.57
00:27:53.680 When new kinds of thought
00:27:56.340 New kinds of postures
00:27:58.880 New kinds of prayers
00:28:00.420 New kinds of rituals need to be performed
00:28:04.000 And it follows
00:28:07.140 It's new and it's old
00:28:08.960 It's old because it draws 0.99
00:28:13.840 And is nourished by the breasts of legacies
00:28:18.020 these prestigious thoughts that has preceded us.
00:28:24.340 I'm not going to drop names now because that would take 30 minutes to get through,
00:28:29.600 but we are drawing powerfully from people that have gone before us
00:28:34.140 to address these moments.
00:28:35.800 I will pay particular attention to the words of a Caribbean scholar,
00:28:42.320 when he said and clr james particularly when he said black studies is not just for black people
00:28:51.160 it for addressing the man and by the man he meant the colonial enterprise of oppression
00:28:59.160 that continues to put bodies under how do we address that every time the world hardens
00:29:07.360 cracks are the first responders
00:29:10.240 and cracks are the bedrock 1.00
00:29:14.120 or the space for blackness to thrive
00:29:16.520 I want us brothers to speak particularly
00:29:20.660 about the themes that have
00:29:22.340 innervated this exploration
00:29:25.660 especially how we framed it
00:29:29.460 in the beginning
00:29:30.500 trauma, ritual and the promise of the monstrous
00:29:33.640 um we had design ideas and i don't think um just for folks to know that the world is more than
00:29:45.460 design and the world has hidden careers of its own it spills away from designation right um but
00:29:54.500 we did have themes guiding our meeting with communities meeting with traditional rulers
00:30:01.200 meeting with villages, meeting with groups, meeting with people of all different kinds.
00:30:07.780 I want Brother Resma to speak about trauma and how that has come in.
00:30:15.000 What are the questions emerging for you and what's staying here?
00:30:20.260 So for me, you know, my understanding of trauma has emerged and evolved since I've been in this project.
00:30:30.220 you know that's like especially like trauma as it relates to the body trauma as it relates to
00:30:35.660 racialized trauma those are the kind of like the ways that i move in but this idea of trauma as a
00:30:41.780 thwarting energy as a thwarting apparatus that that thwarts what is emergent possible and
00:30:49.860 resourced right it doesn't kill it it just thwarts it right and we can get conditioned by the
00:30:56.840 thwarting and one of the things that i've appreciated is that like even this experience
00:31:02.440 that we have in here one of the things that i've never been involved in a large project like this
00:31:07.420 in which uh brother omar deliberately bought in intimacy and care like like the level of intimacy
00:31:19.240 and care in this type of project i've never i have never seen this before i've seen people be nice
00:31:25.400 I've seen people have scheduled, I've seen, you know what I mean?
00:31:29.320 But not to the degree, I mean, so I'll just, let me just say it like this.
00:31:36.140 So down to the detail of us going to the dungeon with our shoes off,
00:31:45.500 the somatic, and what I mean by somatic is from the Swahili word soma,
00:31:52.440 which means to learn, to read.
00:31:55.400 and and and the latin word body right like like like i've incorporated the idea of some both
00:32:01.420 those ideas of soma and that when we were there was so much learning and reading that i'm starting
00:32:09.820 to see now from a lot of the experiences that this brother has put into place like the walking
00:32:15.880 barefoot into there and then peering off to the right and noticing the ocean and hearing the ocean
00:32:23.700 as we're walking barefoot to the dungeons
00:32:26.580 was such a genius move in terms of intimacy.
00:32:33.400 Like before we even get there,
00:32:35.100 there's an intimacy that's starting to happen
00:32:37.260 with the cobblestones and the heat
00:32:39.080 and having to walk on your toes.
00:32:41.200 And it was, you know what I mean? 0.82
00:32:46.120 And so the three black men thing for me
00:32:51.580 has emerged and evolved into this really kind of seminal understanding of intimacy and care,
00:33:03.820 which is the center of blackness. 0.96
00:33:05.780 Like when we're talking about like the sloshing of us as people, right? 0.96
00:33:09.700 When we talk about the gurgling, I said this earlier, the gurgling of creation, which is 0.77
00:33:16.080 blackness it is that we are a representation of that and what we have to begin to do and 0.99
00:33:22.900 brother orler talked about this yesterday we have to begin to strip away all the things that people
00:33:28.900 have put on blackness and put on these things and begin to like not return as in we were once kings
00:33:37.760 and queens or black excellence and you know i can't say that word but but you know what i mean
00:33:43.360 Like, you know, the talented 10th and all of that stuff, you know, and I'm not knocking my ancestors or people saying it.
00:33:51.480 I'm just simply saying there has to be something more mooring and anchoring than that, that I know myself to be connected to creation differently than just the pigmentation pieces.
00:34:07.220 I'm not saying the pigmentation pieces aren't important.
00:34:09.860 I'm saying that the pigmentation pieces have to be moored in the architecture 0.95
00:34:15.240 and the principle of blackness. 0.90
00:34:17.820 And each step, each leg of this journey has deepened that piece for me.
00:34:24.280 Thank you, Resma.
00:34:25.800 Thank you.
00:34:28.480 We've been talking about the brace, right?
00:34:30.780 Yeah.
00:34:31.100 All the exterior exoskeleton that is taken on in order to preserve ourselves
00:34:38.460 in a world that no longer seems like it's working for anyone, for anyone.
00:34:45.000 And that grace, that exoskeleton is constantly curdled by the invitation of tenderness
00:34:53.880 to lose its hard edges, you know, to lose its hard edges.
00:35:00.660 And to become a lot more porous
00:35:02.720 This idea of things
00:35:05.060 Of the world being a practice
00:35:07.920 The world is a practice
00:35:09.560 The world isn't just world-containing practices
00:35:13.940 The world itself is a practice
00:35:15.620 The world is ritual
00:35:17.320 And that's what we're thinking about
00:35:19.220 When we also encoded the story of ritual
00:35:23.500 In this cross-continental vocation
00:35:27.700 We call Three Black Men
00:35:28.900 Brother Orland, could you speak to this idea of ritual,
00:35:33.500 the stories emanating from this place, the invitations,
00:35:37.580 whatever is coming from your depths about ritual these times,
00:35:42.980 and especially situating it within the journeys we undertook across the world?
00:35:47.640 Rituals move energies
00:35:59.360 within the context of
00:36:03.460 thresholds
00:36:05.120 so something
00:36:07.360 something
00:36:09.200 is here and then it's not
00:36:12.160 it's a kind of vessel
00:36:17.580 for what replaces what within the context of a knower, a believer, a seeker,
00:36:35.760 the different titles for where the ritual begins
00:36:43.540 and what flows because of the intentions
00:36:48.460 of one of those roles in the idea
00:36:52.940 that the archetypal world
00:36:57.060 that forms the pathway
00:37:01.380 for something to change
00:37:04.620 which requires someone to put something in.
00:37:09.600 And this unique kind of divination
00:37:20.280 for someone to look into the realm of possibilities
00:37:25.040 and say, I will actually reach in
00:37:28.240 and bring something back that is needed now
00:37:31.960 from all of those things.
00:37:34.300 Rituals have given us remarkable ways
00:37:39.540 to create life and meanings around life.
00:37:45.040 And at the time and the space where collapse is what it is
00:37:49.720 in our world, it's the fundamental thing that's left.
00:37:56.640 Because we've created so many status rituals
00:38:00.920 to position people in roles
00:38:03.000 that have nothing to do with ritual.
00:38:04.840 Wow.
00:38:06.680 Right, the rituals that people do now
00:38:10.300 only actually avoid and denies the existence
00:38:16.140 of other intelligences that can make a better world.
00:38:21.000 So like, why would you choose certain people
00:38:26.220 to put in power that actually makes the world
00:38:30.540 less vibrant so when they leave office it's like okay we're in debt we're in you know we're in such
00:38:39.020 dilemma because they don't know the role of ritual yeah so in in this in the sense what what i think
00:38:50.580 we have restored in our it's the architecture of mystery around a threshold or a door so we went
00:39:03.380 to the door of no return and came back out of the door of return the same door what is the
00:39:10.060 conceptual intention that
00:39:12.080 makes the same material
00:39:14.100 space different.
00:39:19.180 And
00:39:19.940 everything changes when you go through
00:39:21.860 one side and then come back the other
00:39:24.140 side. In a matter of
00:39:25.920 just minutes, you're a different person.
00:39:29.000 Seconds on
00:39:29.960 two different sides of the
00:39:32.200 same reality.
00:39:34.340 So for me, the human
00:39:36.280 being is a ritualist.
00:39:40.060 in the fact that we don't allow ourselves
00:39:43.880 to just repeat things
00:39:45.780 when we know the power of what we're doing.
00:39:50.240 We can create, we can let go,
00:39:53.100 we can change, we can heal.
00:39:56.040 And so I think for my practice with rituals
00:40:01.940 would be what currencies are still with us
00:40:06.060 that can make rituals a radical space,
00:40:09.420 renewing this world what currencies do we still have and can we activate them
00:40:19.380 because we in in a time in which there's so many restraints and
00:40:26.240 substitutions for what actually allows life to be optimum in the world rituals
00:40:34.760 have to come by more and more.
00:40:37.820 Can I just ask something?
00:40:39.620 This piece that Brother Orland said earlier
00:40:43.160 about how things are here and then they go away,
00:40:48.140 I think it isn't disconnected from ritual
00:40:52.240 in that part of what happens is that we think ritual
00:40:59.480 means to do the same thing over and over and over again.
00:41:02.160 Yes, that's how we use the term.
00:41:03.300 That's how we use the term.
00:41:04.760 But what Brother Orlin is talking about really is how it functions, how ritual actually functions, right?
00:41:14.940 He's saying there is a time where a ritual begins to almost affitry itself.
00:41:27.160 It's like there's a loosening of muscle and there's not enough energy.
00:41:37.380 People are still doing it.
00:41:38.740 It doesn't take.
00:41:39.620 It doesn't take.
00:41:40.620 There is no muscle to it.
00:41:45.120 It's just what people are doing.
00:41:47.080 And what I hear him saying is that in those points, we need somebody else who understands.
00:41:53.740 We need a holder.
00:41:55.420 We need a seer.
00:41:56.320 We need those roles have to be activated in a way that says that particular ritual, there needs to be something else that needs to, that ritual is now creating the decay by which the other system can now come up through.
00:42:15.840 It actually creates the nutrients.
00:42:17.460 The decay of that particular ritual literally creates the nutrients for the new ritual to come about.
00:42:23.860 But if you don't have people that don't need permission, you need the fugitive, you need the trickster, you need the seers, you need people to say, you should be playing, you should be playing, you should be playing, because in the playing, that peace will begin to emerge forth.
00:42:44.160 In the not playing, in the not playing, you do a disservice, not only to yourself, because your purpose is not emerging, but you do a disservice to creation itself.
00:42:57.320 Is that amazing?
00:42:58.240 Absolutely, yes.
00:43:14.160 Chicha
00:43:15.120 Zvina langkunin galani
00:43:20.260 Ah, silvi
00:43:21.760 Chicha
00:43:22.960 Dalani
00:43:25.840 Dalani
00:43:27.440 Kini walini pasina
00:43:29.680 Ah
00:43:43.680 Gati ka uli mi a kikoloni
00:43:47.680 Sasa nanji joku
00:43:49.680 Piti te uli mi yawa pulasi
00:43:53.680 Sasa nanji joku
00:43:57.680 I want to bring us to a place.
00:44:06.140 I'll say a few things about the monstrous, the space of the monstrous.
00:44:13.640 First of all, just to trace where we've been,
00:44:18.780 trauma is connected to the loss or the rigidity of ritual if you will when things when when we
00:44:32.000 brace up when we become fixed we're having a crisis of form which is in other words a crisis of ritual
00:44:39.980 And it's in that crisis that new forms of ritual are needed.
00:44:48.460 But for new forms of ritual to take, new roles need to be proliferated.
00:44:56.880 New energies need to burst forth.
00:45:01.060 The archetype of the leader, the archetype of the priest, the archetype of the trickster, all need to come up.
00:45:09.980 And this is where the monstrous takes root.
00:45:14.400 So these things are not disconnected and thrown together.
00:45:18.740 They literally trace out a thematic score, if you will.
00:45:25.680 I've been thinking about the monstrous in terms of this edge,
00:45:33.260 or rather, more playfully, as a jigsaw puzzle.
00:45:38.280 um in a jigsaw puzzle you expect if the company knows its stuff to get a puzzle with
00:45:47.260 all the pieces your task is to put them all together imagine a scenario where you have all
00:45:54.200 the pieces together but and you've put the picture together it's complete there's nothing else except
00:46:01.040 this one piece that doesn't belong anywhere in the puzzle it doesn't fit the shape it doesn't
00:46:07.500 look like any of the other puzzle pieces it's just out you know it doesn't even feel like an
00:46:13.580 extra piece an extra piece will is will replace another piece in there but this doesn't feel like
00:46:19.180 a replacement at all so you call the company and you're complaining and you speak with the manager
00:46:23.440 wink wink and then you you insist that they explain to you this extra piece but they cannot
00:46:30.980 account for it as well. And so you either, you do one of two things. You either pathologize the
00:46:37.820 piece, you toss it away, or you fold that piece as something promising, as something maybe,
00:46:45.480 it doesn't have a name yet. It's not useful, but it's something to come, right? And I think that's
00:46:54.940 where we are our rituals our modern rituals have rendered us so useful that we're trapped 1.00
00:47:01.440 so we fit in finally completely we fit in and to fit in as that as that chinese apocryphal curse
00:47:12.860 goes if you are entirely useful and you're you fit in there's sometimes when fitting in
00:47:21.280 becomes deeply problematic
00:47:23.300 and you want a way out.
00:47:25.380 You want a different kind of ritual.
00:47:27.980 You need the illegible
00:47:30.660 or the non-legible for that. 1.00
00:47:33.600 White modernity is the idea 0.73
00:47:35.240 that the world is fully described already. 1.00
00:47:39.760 Blackness is the invitation to consider 0.93
00:47:41.660 that the world is still being made. 0.98
00:47:43.200 It is still being made.
00:47:45.540 It is still in formation.
00:47:47.460 It is not done yet.
00:47:49.500 And that is where creativity and emancipation comes from.
00:47:53.140 And that has been the promise of the monstrous, 1.00
00:47:55.760 that in times when Africa is going through a lot of trouble, 1.00
00:47:59.360 the world is going through a lot of trouble,
00:48:01.740 that there is space for agency.
00:48:04.440 There's agency, there's power, there's potency, there's ritual.
00:48:09.120 There's a way to go here.
00:48:10.900 And maybe I just want to bring us to a close, if you will.
00:48:15.760 A close that is also an opening.
00:48:19.000 I'll call it a clopening, along with some of my other siblings around the world, a clopening.
00:48:27.660 Where is, how would you respond to the question, where do we go from here?
00:48:34.580 Responding not only on behalf of this beautiful project, but on behalf of people who are listening,
00:48:40.340 who are probably leaning in and wondering for a different kind of convening.
00:48:44.760 like where do we go from here
00:48:47.100 what are your words
00:48:48.700 if blackness is care
00:48:50.480 not just pigmentation of skin 0.83
00:48:52.660 if blackness is the
00:48:54.340 materiality of care
00:48:56.320 what is the care
00:48:58.880 we are offering to people listening now
00:49:01.140 I'll start with
00:49:02.740 my sister
00:49:04.940 Victoria and then we'll go to
00:49:07.020 Amon and 0.77
00:49:08.580 Resma
00:49:09.640 I want All End to end
00:49:13.020 So I will say a few words and then all that ends us up.
00:49:16.420 Okay, Victoria.
00:49:22.880 Where do we go from here and where do I go from here?
00:49:26.260 I need some time to reflect.
00:49:31.100 I want to go back and look at what we have done
00:49:35.920 and go back and tend to some of those relationships.
00:49:39.520 Yes, yes.
00:49:40.300 Um, and then we, you know, we're making a documentary as well.
00:49:44.940 So we need to look at what are the needs of that, of the documentary and, uh, focus some
00:49:51.500 energy in that.
00:49:52.700 And then there's already some other things that are kind of percolating, um, based on
00:49:57.480 who's been coming around us that, uh, I want to pay attention to, like Oman is going to
00:50:05.020 be coming to the u.s in april and i'm and i volunteered to host him and so so there's that
00:50:13.120 and um yeah so those are some of the things and then hopefully more conversations with you three
00:50:18.700 to figure out you know what you're needing to do within your own project and also maybe something
00:50:26.000 collectively but briefly sister not to interrupt you but we've made plans to visit um all ends
00:50:31.520 home planet of Mars.
00:50:34.640 Well, I want to move there.
00:50:35.820 So, you know,
00:50:36.340 you know, Orlin, I have my bags packed.
00:50:39.920 You just have to tell me when you're ready
00:50:41.500 for me to go.
00:50:43.180 Anyway, those are the things that I'm
00:50:45.600 going to look at. But first,
00:50:47.880 I'm going to have a nice, long
00:50:49.820 rest. Please. That's rest,
00:50:52.000 rest, rest. Yes.
00:50:53.700 Brother Amon.
00:50:57.960 Where do we go from here?
00:51:00.200 For me,
00:51:01.520 As I move through space now a lot, my intentionality is to just be me, you know, just be me.
00:51:15.040 And this is exactly how I've been, you know, like you said, sometimes hard, sometimes soft.
00:51:22.280 You know, this space to know that I can be rigid and fluid, you know, and not taking any particular side.
00:51:33.840 And to rope it to you understand this is I am issue, you know.
00:51:41.580 So I have the black and the red showed up every time I noticed this.
00:51:46.820 Maybe many people didn't notice it, but I saw it every time, the black and red.
00:51:51.080 Yes.
00:51:52.280 Yes, I have no space.
00:51:54.520 There's no politics, you know.
00:51:57.300 So for me, like that, back to that pot of soup is everyone can access.
00:52:04.720 Even those people that my physical body is in disagreement with still can enter this space.
00:52:11.400 I think that's what comes next.
00:52:16.920 Radical hospitality.
00:52:18.200 Thank you, brother.
00:52:18.940 Thank you.
00:52:19.700 Brother Resma.
00:52:20.700 I'm going to make this sweep.
00:52:22.280 In short, rest.
00:52:24.500 I think what's next is rest.
00:52:26.040 I think rest is actually a revolutionary experience for the black body. 0.91
00:52:32.640 I believe we've been conditioned to override and be workhorses. 0.84
00:52:38.560 And for us to actually claim rest and naps and mint juleps and black men frolicking and all of that stuff, I think rest. 0.89
00:52:50.560 I think, rest. 1.00
00:52:51.400 So that's what's next.
00:52:52.960 Thank you, brother.
00:52:53.960 Thank you, brother.
00:52:54.800 I'd like Brother Olien to say something,
00:52:56.700 and I'll just, yeah, thank you.
00:53:00.620 Yeah, I have some review to do.
00:53:03.560 Okay.
00:53:04.400 I've not reviewed Los Angeles,
00:53:06.560 I've not reviewed by,
00:53:09.160 deeply enough to say that the architecture,
00:53:17.720 over time becomes consciousness.
00:53:19.620 So if I'm looking at that, I'm also looking at what has moved through me.
00:53:26.580 Place, time, the patterns of conversations that are articulated.
00:53:33.420 So the film will show something different than my review and consciousness.
00:53:40.500 So for me, in a way, I love to utilize my energies, particularly in hosting the invisible realities that will never be caught on film.
00:54:02.280 Absolutely.
00:54:03.540 But in review, it comes into imagination.
00:54:06.720 and it's important that I have
00:54:09.620 an imaginative way
00:54:11.000 to look at what happened
00:54:13.280 not just a literal way
00:54:15.000 it's
00:54:17.640 something has to
00:54:20.500 go into the deep
00:54:23.380 deep deep dark aspects
00:54:25.220 of my life
00:54:26.280 where the camera can go
00:54:29.580 where the camera
00:54:31.960 can reach
00:54:34.580 and
00:54:35.820 And I can only do it because there's something else as a faculty
00:54:40.540 for that kind of observation.
00:54:42.900 So I also need the time to do it.
00:54:47.040 So, yeah, I'm going to make that space.
00:54:51.200 Thank you, Banner.
00:54:52.260 Thank you.
00:54:53.460 And I will not add anything at this time
00:54:58.400 except to say thank you for the conversation.
00:55:01.700 thank you for
00:55:03.160 we've been up on a mountain
00:55:06.920 we've eaten the food
00:55:09.080 of the gods
00:55:09.900 we've drank the wine
00:55:13.220 of
00:55:14.920 the spirits
00:55:16.020 and we are here now
00:55:18.140 our mortal bodies need rest
00:55:20.960 and
00:55:21.940 it is good to rest
00:55:25.040 it is good to
00:55:26.180 to go down now
00:55:28.600 to descend again
00:55:29.840 but in an action of resting
00:55:32.040 so
00:55:33.320 somewhere along the line
00:55:36.860 someone promised us Nigerian
00:55:39.060 jollof rice
00:55:40.060 I wonder who that person is
00:55:42.040 I wonder who that person is
00:55:45.000 I want to say
00:55:49.080 this is the part that
00:55:53.140 he's not going to allow that
00:55:55.160 and I want to say that someone
00:55:56.920 has been enjoying
00:55:58.520 Nigerian food
00:56:00.760 Every day
00:56:03.400 But before you leave
00:56:05.340 There will be some Nigerian food
00:56:07.900 Any fufu?
00:56:09.160 I need some fufu
00:56:09.700 Pound of yam
00:56:10.260 You would get pound of yam
00:56:12.200 Not fufu
00:56:13.200 You would get jollof rice
00:56:14.820 I need some pound of yam
00:56:16.200 With some stew chicken 0.85
00:56:17.180 Bayou would get his pound of yam
00:56:19.080 Yes, yes, yes 0.99
00:56:19.900 And Victoria
00:56:20.520 You would get a bit off
00:56:22.440 I need some pound of yam
00:56:24.980 You would get a bit off
00:56:26.760 Well, thank you so much, everyone.
00:56:32.760 And we'll meet you out there.
00:56:35.840 Good night.
00:56:36.460 Good night.
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