00:00:00.480The more likely a place is to, like, tell me to kill myself or, like, issue a rape threat, like, the more authentic and vital it is as a reflection of American discourse.
00:00:10.420Like, as much as it hates me personally, that is directly correlated to how real and how American it is.0.99
00:00:15.920Have you ever considered, Moira, that maybe the pussy is in bio?0.99
00:00:19.660Maybe you need to open yourself up to new ideas.0.99
00:00:50.160We're celebrating and upholding and vigorously defending tradition that we invented not 12 months ago.
00:00:56.320We used to be a proper country. Return.
00:00:57.940That's right. Return. And this is our award for the most cursed discourses having to do with gender and sexuality in 2024. We anticipate recording for about 45 hours because there was a lot of them. There was a lot of them. Just no way around that.
00:01:16.200But helping us sift through it is a man who is perhaps the Leonardo or the Galileo of cursed tics and also a person who's recorded three shows like this probably.
00:02:08.820And I do think that the election kind of brought a whole lot of stuff into focus for me.
00:02:13.580I did that too, where it's like, this is not a bad take.
00:02:15.800this is like a canonical bad take yeah yeah this is symbolic of a broader disease yeah when we are
00:02:21.480selecting nominees for the kirsties what i try to do is think about okay what is reflective of
00:02:29.460a bigger trend right like which conversation which controversy which misconception or like
00:02:37.680new enthusiasm that people are showing really reflects uh something significant and bigger
00:02:43.840Right. What's part of a bigger trend in the culture or in politics that can tell us something about our time that's important, which is why what I choose is always the stuff that pissed me off the most personally.
00:02:56.600Right. There's always the stuff that annoyed me the most, because that is really what's an urgent emergency.
00:03:02.900Oh, yeah. Telling us something important about our historical moment.
00:03:06.460Dead voice teenagers on Instagram. Boom.
00:03:08.400people who are a slightly different kind of feminist than me is like really like1.00
00:03:16.260really burns my gears yeah really burns my cannoli1.00
00:03:20.640uh and i think you'll see in our selections of the kirsties that our bugaboos our irritations
00:03:29.440are really what's most historically important yes pet peeves whatever we got people listening
00:04:08.840So I'm going to start with my, it's cursed, but honestly, like, is it maybe closer to the Bluetooth speakers than to like incipient fascism?
00:04:19.480So this is my most Andy Rooney take this year, which is a kind of cavil about the hand-wringing of a certain class of Twitterati over people leaving Twitter for Blue Sky.
00:04:45.920And also the place where there are my tits in the bio, right?0.57
00:04:50.340The sudden attachment to Twitter as this like space where you encounter other people's ideas, where those ideas are 99% of the time Holocaust denial and or my tits aren't in bio, right?
00:05:02.120As a guy who, you know, also wrote a book on tech discourses, this has been Twitter's pitch for a long, long time.
00:05:12.640Like, it is just so noticeable to me that the kind of pundits that then roll out these kinds of, you know, people are withdrawing from the public sphere and going back into their little bubbles.
00:05:22.440Basically, they were parroting back what Jack Dorsey had been, like, desperately claiming at shareholder meetings for years and years in order to excuse, like, how little money Twitter made.
00:05:32.880It's just amazing if, like, you're using a company's, frankly, delusional sales pitch as, like, a basis for your politics and then think you're the kind of adult in the room.
00:06:14.600I will say, like, what kind of blew my mind about this is, you know, framing Blue Sky as a bubble that is insulated, not the real world, reflective of a cowardly refusal to engage with opposing ideas.
00:06:29.300Right. This proposition that Twitter is the public sphere.
00:06:35.060Adrian, you are right to point out that this was a marketing tactic of Twitter.
00:06:38.400Right. Yeah. But it also is like a really dependent on Twitter's perceived political affiliation as a platform.
00:06:44.360Right. Because back in the 2010s, I'm old enough that I've been on Twitter for like an embarrassingly long time.
00:06:51.320And I remember when Twitter was a really important piece of media infrastructure.
00:06:57.800Right. It was how you shared your work.
00:07:00.520It was how you got jobs as a journalist or as a freelance writer.
00:07:03.640Right. It was how even like other kinds of, you know, public facing intellectuals like academics could like promote their work.
00:07:09.980Right. Back then, the line on Twitter was Twitter is not real life.
00:07:13.280Twitter as an echo chamber for these lefty weirdos, right? And now that Twitter is dominated
00:07:20.820by a conservative political tilt, suddenly it is real life. Suddenly it's actually a vital source
00:07:26.520of the, you know, the free exchange of ideas. I think that's exactly right. Twitter became
00:07:30.560an Ohio diner. Yeah. Right. Like the place where you try to get a reactionary take that is supposed
00:07:36.340to be more natural and less coastal than your own, you know, homo opinions. It's like you now1.00
00:07:42.740go to Twitter rather than to the Waffle House. The more likely a place is to tell me to kill0.98
00:07:48.860myself or issue a rape threat, the more authentic and vital it is as a reflection of American0.85
00:07:55.040discourse. As much as it hates me personally, that is directly correlated to how real and how
00:07:59.880American it is. Have you ever considered, Moira, that maybe the pussy is in bio? Maybe you need1.00
00:08:05.420to open yourself up to new ideas. It's like you're cutting yourself off. But it has this funny
00:08:39.420Like social media has been fragmented.
00:08:41.460Also, yeah, you follow people who have similar ideology to you, so even if you're on there, it doesn't feel like it's that big of a change qualitatively.
00:08:48.840Also, I feel like it's really frustrating zooming out to like throughout the course of our lifetimes, I would say the biggest political story is the radicalization of the GOP, right?0.84
00:08:58.240We didn't have people saying and doing deranged shit in public constantly in the 1990s.0.70
00:09:02.540Whatever you thought about like the Reagan era, like the sort of H.W. Bush conservatives, it's like it was a very different party back then.0.97
00:09:08.980And yet all of our kind of moral panics around this keep trying to repackage it as like a bipartisan issue, right?
00:09:15.340So people have written all these books about like polarization.
00:09:17.260We're in this era of polarization even though the Democrats haven't radicalized anywhere near what the Republicans have.
00:09:23.360The echo chamber discourse feels like a similar attempt to do that where it's like it's not really about the fact that platform after platform gets taken over by like open Nazis and these weird like trad bring us back site like full on psychos.
00:09:37.100that's not really the problem. The problem is that we're not hearing from each other enough.
00:09:41.080And like, I just don't think empirically echo chambers are really like the problem that
00:09:46.760everybody thinks they are. I think it's an attempt to talk about radicalization without
00:09:50.520naming it for what it is. And we just keep getting these distractions. And I think,
00:09:54.960I think we just need to acknowledge that the main problem in American politics is the
00:09:58.280radicalization of the GOP and the fact that like 30% of the country is just completely
00:10:01.880unmoored from reality. And I don't think that I have to hear from these people more.
00:13:40.820I shouldn't know what it stands for.0.99
00:13:42.760I also think it's so funny over the course of the last two years, right, to watch a deranged billionaire buy this, like, relatively useful and okay, if problematic, social media platform and slowly turn it into a platform for, like, AI slop and right-wing propaganda and then cast the people leaving as, like, the problem.
00:14:01.900Like, do you guys know people are leaving this platform?
00:14:03.400It's like, well, the guy who completely just ruined it and is a fairly open white supremacist at this point, that's not worthy of condemnation.
00:14:10.020But the people who are just like, I don't want to spend my day like this.
00:14:13.960OK, I actually find the fact that Blue Sky is so lefty, just like a little annoying.
00:14:19.080Yeah, I think it is kind of like a hothouse atmosphere where like everybody ends up getting like push maybe seven percent further to the left than they should be.
00:14:27.160It's like, OK, I wish there was a broader range here.
00:14:29.400But also, it's not like there's some non-echo chamber social media platform available that all of us are choosing not to use.0.99
00:14:36.780It's like I'd rather have annoying lefties than like literal Nazis and a bunch of fucking robots from Macedonia.0.98
00:14:43.120And every single platform creates its own use cases, right?1.00
00:14:55.500Like these things generate their own tones and their own rhythms.
00:15:00.540And if the rhythm is no longer what you were using it for, right?
00:15:04.360If like, if you were getting information from a platform and now it's no longer giving you information, I don't know how you get to a point where like you owe that platform anything, right?
00:15:14.120Friendster didn't get to like, Browby does like, you know, you guys are leaving for Facebook.
00:15:22.560And this is why I think that all these Musk stans, like, love this fucking discourse.0.99
00:15:26.580Because they had to cast themselves as a hero and other people as villains or snowflakes.0.98
00:15:29.980And the idea that, like, consumers owe their consumption to the producers.
00:15:34.920I feel like this is a discourse that has really taken over with Silicon Valley.
00:15:39.360It sort of started, I feel like, with the recording industry, which was like, oh, the only reason people aren't buying our albums is because of piracy.
00:15:45.140It's like, well, also, like, you could also interrogate your offerings and how you're getting them to people.
00:16:00.680It's not primarily how they communicate to you and me.
00:16:03.200It's how they communicate to their investors to explain why, you know, the company is still not profitable after 10 years of runway, right?
00:16:10.040But it kind of moralizes our attention in a way that they otherwise like run away from screaming, right?
00:16:16.520Like every time we're like, well, people should be confronted with true facts.
00:16:20.400It's like, oh, but you tell people what to think.
00:16:22.800And then they're like, but you're not watching my garbage fire.0.91
00:16:39.580Yeah, I'm interested in like how our first Kirstie was about Twitter because Twitter also gave us,
00:16:46.380I think many of our Cursed Discourses of the Year, including my first, and this is kind of a big umbrella of discourses that I like to term, fellas, is it gay to be heterosexual?0.99
00:17:05.060That was one of my favorite things all year.
00:17:06.440So this is, like, declarations from right-wing men, particularly, like, MRA, manosphere influencers, but also sometimes just, like, Republican gadflies.
00:17:20.560And these are, like, about casting heterosexual pleasure, like, playfulness, affection, companionship, any kind of, like, liking the woman that you as a cisgender man are dating.
00:17:33.780Well, it's a sign of your insufficient masculinity, right?1.00
00:17:36.280Like, if you're going to fuck women, you should really hate them and, like, not spend any time with them or, like, enjoy their company at all.1.00
00:17:57.400He's a bespectacled, bearded guy who I think hates divorce because, you know, everybody he's ever looked at is, like, I want a divorce right now.0.98
00:18:04.840i want to marry you just so i can divorce your ass he he has like a youtube show where he talked0.99
00:18:13.160about back in january he's like i heard somebody was getting his wife a valentine's day gift1.00
00:18:20.780already and he's like getting a valentine's day gift for your wife a month in advance0.99
00:18:26.100that's fag shit it's like you like your wife too much and therefore you are under suspicion1.00
00:19:06.440Anything short of low-key poisoning each other's dinner while you glower at each other, kind of fruity.0.75
00:19:13.020This, like, principle that, like, liking your wife or girlfriend too much is gay is getting really invested into the MAGA perception of sex itself, like the sex act itself, right?0.80
00:19:26.920Yeah, because what do they even want?0.98
00:19:28.580Whenever I watch, like, Andrew Tate or whatever, I'm like, you just want people to be miserable.
00:19:32.120speak of the devil michael because the devil he doth appear i'm gonna read you a november 30th0.53
00:19:37.880tweet by mr tate who says a two-minute intercourse is more than enough time for a husband to0.99
00:19:45.840inseminate his wife any more than that is vice perversion and socialism yes is it gay to have0.99
00:19:55.740sex for three minutes i love it also like can we just pause to say like again as an all socialist0.99
00:20:02.560panel yes having sex for more than two minutes does make you a committed socialist and you should0.97
00:20:08.100vote accordingly yeah that's how it happens if you're like this feels good boom marxist this0.68
00:20:13.480has also been such like a mask off year for the manosphere you know they they claim to be like0.60
00:20:19.020helping men you know date women or like things that sound kind of reasonable like here's how
00:20:22.720you should work out here's how you should like maybe try to get dates or whatever but really
00:20:25.940like they're selling this like Christo fascist ideology and also like they just want you
00:20:31.180miserable they want you to think that you're doing it wrong constantly and this is why the
00:20:36.140sort of we need a left-wing Joe Rogan this is another discourse that has kind of bothered me
00:20:40.540is that you can't really have a left-wing Joe Rogan because the whole manosphere thing is like
00:20:47.480making you unhappy and telling you there's like some weird trick to get women or whatever the
00:20:52.240actual key to getting women is like try to be nice to them it'll work out with some people
00:20:55.660won't work out with other people like try to take care of yourself dress well it's like really
00:20:59.540boring advice but you can't sell that in the marketplace to sell something in the marketplace
00:21:04.020you have to be constantly giving them these like life hacks and shit like it used to be like wear0.99
00:21:07.980a fucking top hat and do like close-up magic and shit black light attack exactly it reminds me a0.98
00:21:12.720little michael of like the logic of diets that you guys talk about on maintenance phase like1.00
00:21:18.020the diet is a like receding horizon of self-discipline and acceptable like virtuous
00:21:26.320behavior right and if you fail at it if it doesn't work for you it's because you didn't do it hard
00:21:31.820enough right totally and masculinity is kind of the same scam right you're never masculine enough
00:21:38.720it's a very insecure like gender position right it needs to be proven all the time
00:21:43.300and therefore its standards of achievement can continually recede beyond actual acceptability
00:21:50.340but like i do want to dwell for a minute on how miserable these people are in trying to
00:21:55.900pursue them they seem so miserable because what made me draw my attention to this is something i
00:22:00.540just sent it to you guys in the chat which is a video of maga influencers isabella and josiah
00:22:07.140moody who appeared on the youtube talk show the grudge the grudge seems to be like a kind of like
00:22:12.840lefty to nonpartisan YouTube talk show that, to be honest, I don't really know much about
00:22:42.840And they talked about how they only have sex for reproductive purposes and have excluded pleasure from their sex life.
00:22:49.680Or at least Josiah, the husband, talks about this.0.99
00:22:52.100He says, as soon as we're together, it's like no birth control, nothing, because I'm not going to have gay sex.0.99
00:22:58.440And like gay sex is more than just like another man and a man.0.99
00:23:01.600It's just like the idea of looking at sex is such a materialistic thing and just like, oh, well, we just have an orgasm and that's fun or whatever.0.99
00:23:10.240No, like, dude, sex is about having children.
00:24:01.860It's any more than that is socialism, guys.0.52
00:24:04.320To me, it seems like a side to like a suspicion or like paranoia about the corrupting influence of closeness to women. Right. Yeah. Like if you like a woman too much, you might start thinking of her and maybe even other women as human beings. Right. I don't know if this is actually a danger of heterosexuality based on what I see of it. It doesn't seem to happen.0.54
00:24:26.840people manage it reminds me of this wild radical feminist like lesbian separatist from the 70s1.00
00:24:33.400marilyn fry who has this assessment of male heterosexuality so she goes to say that straight1.00
00:24:40.180men are heterosexual is only to say that they engage with sex fucking exclusively with the0.99
00:24:45.500other sex i.e women all or almost all of that which pertains to love most straight men reserve0.99
00:25:32.060Dude, I don't know if you had this experience, Adrienne, but like after I came out, like all my buddies in high school were like straight dudes and I was like the first gay person they'd ever known.
00:25:40.660And this was like late 90s, early 2000s.
00:25:42.200So we were all kind of working through it together.
00:25:43.880I had this like late night drunken conversation with one of my straight friends where he's like dealing with my homosexuality.
00:25:50.100And he's like, bro, I think I'm gay, too.
00:25:52.780And I'd known him for long enough to know.
00:26:22.920Like you brought up diets, Myra, and I feel like it's so similar to the diet stuff where it's like the actual diet advice is like try to eat fruits and vegetables.
00:26:54.900So you need to keep moving the goalposts.0.97
00:26:56.760You need to keep changing the definition so that you can make a fucking video about it.0.98
00:27:01.680Like the grift is so central to this that, again, this is why we can't have a left-wing Joe Rogan because it's fundamentally a grift, all this manosphere shit.0.99
00:27:11.020Heterosexuality is a pyramid scheme.0.99
00:27:34.460We're like ready with like bitchy remarks.0.78
00:27:36.480I mean, what it does remind me of, one of the funny kind of through lines of anti-gay discourse in the 90s and early 2000s was how easy it seemed for conservative men to imagine that they would be tempted into it.
00:27:51.060And you're like, are you a straight man?
00:27:53.900This is very similar to the trans discourse now where it's like if we tell kids that trans people exist, like they might be like, oh my God, I'm trans.
00:28:00.620In a way that like if you grew up as a cisgender person just doesn't make any sense.
00:28:04.120It's like if you're not transgender, the idea of dressing up in other clothing will not appeal to you.
00:28:08.660I feel totally safe dressing up in women's clothes because I don't feel anything when that happens to me.
00:28:39.380This year has really been the year of, like, the mainstreaming of anti-trans garbage.0.99
00:28:45.180Like, stuff that used to be, like, beyond the pale is now just, like, completely mainstream and, like, appears in, like, USA Today and shit.0.99
00:28:51.580Like, this is the year when all this stuff went completely mainstream.
00:28:53.880And so you could have picked any article for this.
00:28:56.180But the radicalization cycle that people have gone through and that like people are quite sort of openly describing themselves like joining hate movements at this point in like please have sympathy for me sort of way.
00:29:07.740So I found this is relatively obscure, but it just feels kind of like canonical or symbolic to me.
00:29:13.660This article on this lady's substack called I Pretended to Be Non-Binary to Expose a Medical Scandal at Kaiser Permanente, which sounds a little bit like a dog took my face and gave me a better face to change the world.
00:29:28.120The Celeste Cunningham story from 30 Rock.
00:29:31.020But this is the story of like this woman who she gives some background later in the article, but her daughter came out as trans and she basically like rejects this.0.53
00:29:43.340And then she starts going online and getting radicalized.
00:29:46.500She eventually just completely like loses the relationship with her kids.
00:29:50.900So her daughter goes and lives with their husband.
00:29:54.620There appears to be like a divorce that goes on.
00:29:57.000Like, this really broke up the family, essentially her radicalization, but then she blames it on her kid being trans.
00:30:03.420And then this whole article kind of claims to be, like, I said that I was non-binary and, like, look how easy it is to get hormones and surgery.
00:30:12.180I mean, I should say that both Moira and I have Kaiser, I believe, and easy to get surgery is not the first thing I think of.
00:30:19.900It is not easy to get anything from Kaiser Permanente.
00:30:23.700They vaccinate pretty consistently, I have to say.
00:30:25.700Like I've been able to walk in, but like anything more than that, come back in May.
00:30:29.900So the opening paragraph of this piece is, she says, on September 6th, 2022, I received a mail from Kaiser Permanente reminding me of a routine cervical screening.
00:30:39.540The language of the reminder stood out to me, recommended for people with a cervix ages 21 to 65.
00:30:45.400When I asked my OBGYN about the strange wording, she told me the wording was chosen to be inclusive of their transgender and gender fluid patients.
00:30:53.140Based on this response, several thoughts occurred to me.
00:30:55.700Could I expose the medical scandal of gender-affirming care by saying and doing everything my daughter and other trans-identifying kids are taught to do?
00:31:04.500And so she then goes through this whole thing of, like, I emailed back and told them that I'm non-binary and I want new pronouns.
00:31:11.980And, like, within an hour, they were like, okay, we've updated your chart with your new pronouns.
00:31:16.260And, like, this is, like, she's casting this as, like, a scandal.
00:34:28.480This is actually, like, a really sad story of somebody self-radicalizing and falling down this weird rabbit hole.
00:34:33.680And, like, imagine hating your kids so much that you do this year-long charade to, like, prove that they're lying about the thing that they told you.0.97
00:34:42.880It's like, like, I wanted to own my kid by transitioning.0.53
00:34:48.060It's like, wow, you really won the argument with your own child who no longer speaks to you.
00:36:02.860You're like this is a real societal phenomenon.0.99
00:36:04.940But, like, the actual kind of rapid onset scary thing that is happening to people is these people going online and getting radicalized against their own fucking kids.0.99
00:37:12.540So things are getting a little lighter.0.73
00:37:14.240I think 2024 was a banner year for somehow people who are being very hot in a very cis way portending the death of woke.0.74
00:37:23.220So this is the Sidney Sweeney boobs discourse, in other words.0.99
00:37:27.280I guess we should talk about like whether the death of woke discourse around Sidney Sweeney's boobs has now been counteracted by all of gay Twitter losing its shit over the health care killer.0.99
00:37:38.920And like everyone's like thirst trapping this killer.0.99
00:37:43.040The spike in I can fix him searches must have been profound.
00:37:47.520But then I don't even understand this.1.00
00:37:48.860This was like maybe also a story of online radicalization because it's like you see a beautiful woman with big boobs and you're like, take that, gays and feminists.0.93
00:38:10.540So what had happened is Citi Sweeney hosted SNL on March 2nd, and basically a very specific part of the internet lost its goddamn mind.0.96
00:38:19.440He tweeted out a picture of Sweeney at the kind of curtain call they do at the end of SNL, where she thanks everyone, et cetera, et cetera, in which her boobs—0.99
00:39:35.240People have different tastes than other people.
00:39:36.680Nothing challenges my wokeness about this.1.00
00:39:38.820I will I will like be the annoying feminist and say that this is like a Mia Srinivasan's point in her famous piece, The Right to Sex.0.99
00:39:46.880It's like, no, our desires are constructed by politics. Right. And they do have political content and ideological content.0.97
00:39:53.280And I think that there's something like avowed about the right wing like dog barking response to Sydney Sweeney's appearance and her body that like does.0.98
00:40:04.620OK, well, this is a highly cisgender person who has exaggerated secondary sex characteristics, let's say it is the breast and not the rear end.
00:40:16.360Like, the fetish object or the fetishized body part in the late, like, 2010s, I want to say, was, like, the Kardashian-style, like, big rear end, which was obviously, like, a sort of appropriation or mimicry of, like, black women's bodies, right?
00:40:31.480Like, maybe nodding to, like, a different sexual politics, and that seems to have really gone the way of the dodo bird now.
00:40:38.960The body trend is like hyper thinness, you know, like Ozempic is a big thing, like eating disorders are back in vogue to like put it in crude terms. Right. Like women are underfed again in a way that does seem aligned with a right wing politics in which like they're not supposed to be having undisciplined bodies or fulfilling their own desires. Right.
00:41:02.880Yeah. So like I do see what they're going for. I just think it's really weird. Right.
00:41:09.420It feels in keeping with the like moving the goalpost on heterosexuality thing where it's like, is it gay to be attracted to people who aren't Sidney Sweeney?0.94
00:41:16.740It's like it's not only the way that you're supposed to have sex with and treat women. It's also like the kind of women you're supposed to be attracted to.0.79
00:41:22.540Yes. Yeah. It just seems like they're they keep redefining like ways in which you're doing it wrong.1.00
00:41:26.720Maybe I'll quote briefly from that National Post article, because I think it's kind of picking up on what you're talking about, Moira, but it is also way dumber.
00:41:34.120I think you're kind of steel-manning it here a little bit.
00:41:37.820Exactly how this led to a cultural cataclysm over beauty and wokeness can be summarized as follows.
00:41:43.380We spent years being chastised for desiring or admiring beauty, because beauty is rare and exclusionary, and to exclude is to hate, or so we've been scolded to accept by today's diversity, equity, and inclusion fanatics.
00:41:54.920We aren't supposed to admire Sweeney's beauty, but we've done it anyways.
00:41:58.440The times, they are changing, aren't they?
00:42:00.980It feels very similar to, like, the attack on feminists.
00:42:04.180It's like, feminists don't even want you to stay home and raise kids.0.98
00:42:07.280When the actual feminist ask is that people would have more options than just the one thing.1.00
00:42:22.460And like no one is telling you you're a piece of shit for like thinking of, I don't know, Victoria's Secret catalog is hot or whatever.1.00
00:42:28.200Like you're allowed to think conventionally attractive hot people are hot.1.00
00:42:32.220I think, Michael, you're onto something in that like the actual complaint is not like the absence of desire or some sort of like imagined public prohibition on desire for women who looks like Siddy Sweeney.0.99
00:42:45.000It's the like a vowel or option to express desire for women who don't, right?
00:42:50.720Like, I mean, Jordan Peterson, I think this was this year, over the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition.
00:42:56.960And, like, I think we as feminists should aspire for things beyond, like, a more broad-based project of objectification, right?
00:43:05.160But there was a swimsuit model on one of the covers of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, which had, like, a bunch of covers.
00:43:11.840And one of them was, like, I think she was, like, of the Aoki clan.
00:43:15.920I think she was like one of the descendants of the guy who founded Hibachi Grill.
00:43:21.680Like there's he has a bunch of like hot children and grandchildren and nieces and nephews and things like that.
00:44:10.760I mean, that's the thing is like the tiniest bit of representation for kind of different forms of beauty.0.99
00:44:16.660These people fucking melt down, but it's not really like replacing anything.0.93
00:44:19.820Like there were still normal models.0.99
00:44:22.340Yeah, there's a lot of Kate Uptons in the world.
00:44:25.240I mean, I feel like I never feel like more of a lesbian than when the Internet has a boyfriend, right?
00:44:31.400Like Barry Keoghan, the little Irish guy, I was like, that's a swamp creature.
00:44:35.920And everybody around me was like, oh, he is so – but, like, what if I was, like, me having to come across pictures of Barry Keoghan on my timeline is actually oppression?0.66