00:08:07.880And I think Friday will just be a day of maybe some baking and some gardening and play outside and run around.
00:08:21.940And I don't know what we can, some sort of craft or something, something we can do.
00:08:27.860And then, yeah, make a nice big fire.0.96
00:08:30.540She's really good at making fires.0.95
00:08:32.000she has lots of practice that's terrifying a little one and a half year old she's good at1.00
00:08:38.320like handing you the right size bits and she likes to she likes to break up birch bark1.00
00:08:43.820into tiny bits and say bit bit bit oh good job0.98
00:08:50.220she's she's full of that like spring magic and that like belting wisdom right now you know she's
00:08:59.440just like she's just like bright and alive just echoing every word you say and like she she does
00:09:06.440look at you like a sharp little bird you know she's just and she she she if you're reading her
00:09:11.560books she's jumping in to say the last word of every rhyme and yeah she just being with her I
00:09:20.160was just reading that there's a bunch of research um on you know the psychology and attitudes of
00:09:27.300people who've spent a long period of time in isolation and people are kind of surfacing that
00:09:31.640research now to give us some some insights for what we're all in for collectively which is crazy
00:09:38.540um but the one of the interesting pieces was that men came out of prolonged periods of isolation so
00:09:45.480you're talking like astronauts um researchers in the arctic like people who are doing like
00:09:50.300you know 90 days alone or with a small so this is sort of more like by choice isolation as opposed
00:09:56.280to like uh solitary confinement in prison for example yes yes i don't know if they were that
00:10:03.780solitary because i imagine the psychology of having a choice or not or being in that position
00:10:09.560by choice or not would have an effect but i digress carry on yeah different and you know
00:10:14.880we're probably somewhere in between right like we can go outside and we're all sort of choosing to
00:10:19.660obey the rule all well I mean those of us who are doing it yeah you're right but yeah
00:10:28.980but we're doing it from a place of like fearful for our lives so it's not totally voluntary
00:10:34.100anyway the results were that you know people are anticipating that people come out of this
00:10:41.300isolation with a lot more spirituality but actually they come out with a more like profound
00:10:47.200respect and need for their social ties particularly men are much stronger after
00:10:55.960periods of isolation at reaching out and asking for help and women after periods of isolation
00:11:01.700come out with a much stronger sense of their own strength very interesting now we we generally shy
00:11:11.160away from gender essentialism around these parts but how do you i mean this seems like something
00:11:16.140that has been socialized into us where um women are women are taught to deny their own power and
00:11:22.720men are taught to deny their need for help and community sure and i think um extreme situations
00:11:31.320help us um burn through a little bit of that gendered um acculturation you know like an
00:11:41.720extreme situation can let you see that you're not helpless and on the flip side that you need help0.99
00:11:48.880you know like that those those two sides of how we put people into their corners and separate them
00:11:54.400can kind of dissolve I don't know it's a little bit of optimism or a little bit of intrigue I like
00:11:59.580yeah and um again it's like the the choice to be or not to be has a
00:12:11.480has a lot to do with it and i think this is something that came up in a conversation before
00:12:16.720but this idea of um restricting yourself to save yourself and i think that uh and again
00:12:29.300in the show notes i'll link to this particular tweet that like started this conversation but
00:12:33.660But the person was saying that for someone who doesn't understand the need to protect themselves, this seems like oppression.
00:12:47.000And then my addition to that conversation is that, you know, people of color, queer people, women by and large, we are so used to having to restrict ourselves in order to protect ourselves.
00:13:00.940This is something that we do every day.
00:13:03.660avoiding situations avoiding certain people avoiding certain places you know for for women
00:13:09.480like avoiding the night time you know these these are things that we've been doing our entire lives
00:13:16.100so um when we see these people like protesting because they they want to get their hair cut I
00:13:23.940mean it's like flabbergasting for us but they've never even experienced like this idea of restricting
00:13:30.960yourself for self-preservation you know yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a big one right because it's all
00:13:45.420it's all it's all tied together yeah and you know this i think again we never want to like
00:13:54.420diminish or dismiss or erase or negate anyone who's going through a very real loss and very
00:14:02.120real pain right now but um we are seeing these ideas changing like you said you know some some
00:14:10.320men are coming out of their isolation with more a more respect for community um some people are
00:14:15.480coming out of their isolation with a greater sense of their own personal power um yeah i spoke to
00:14:22.080that cousin of mine that I've talked about on the podcast before who's a trauma therapist
00:14:27.580yesterday and she was saying you know her work right now is entirely focused on people women
00:14:35.260who are in domestic violence situations and can't leave so it's entirely about you know
00:14:44.880um things like de-escalation and just trying to stay safe within the house and and trying to
00:14:53.940control a very volatile situation and I was blown over you know thinking about the sort of terror of
00:15:01.440that and my cousin said you know the the biggest takeaway for her is how incredibly skillful and
00:15:08.940resilient people are um that just seeing all of the ways that people are finding to find some
00:15:18.380control to find some safety to manage a situation is like incredibly awe-inspiring the strength of
00:15:26.140of their resilience you know it's always I mean you know there are people who who say like you
00:15:35.280know your your trauma makes you stronger i don't buy that i think you and i have even talked about
00:15:39.880this on the podcast in the past or i don't buy that your trauma makes you stronger what i do buy
00:15:45.500uh in bulk um is that these difficult situations demonstrate or give you an opportunity to
00:15:53.800demonstrate to yourself how strong you are how strong you already were i mean if you if you you
00:16:00.740know if you float through life and and everything is easy then you you may have an amazing inner
00:16:05.400strength but you never need to manifest it you never need to demonstrate it so um you know i
00:16:11.420give my gratitude to the struggle but i don't think that it's it's made me who i am i just
00:16:17.460think that it's allowed me to like shed my own personal light on what i can get through what i
00:16:23.560can accomplish um and i mean for people who are in bad situations right now you know there
00:16:32.360there's so many that i can think of that um you know addicts i don't know what addicts are doing
00:16:38.580right now i know that a friend of mine every car on his street got broken into last week i think
00:16:43.400people are getting desperate um so that's i mean my heart goes out to these people you know sex
00:16:51.780workers i think in france sex workers are petitioning for you know serb basically whatever
00:16:57.800the french equivalent of our canadian serb is and you know obviously i am very pro healthy sex work
00:17:05.080um yeah there's a massive rent strikes plan in the united states
00:17:10.620which you know i love to see an organized strike yeah it's it's we're always tempering this like
00:17:19.160yeah people are getting together and striking because of the horrible conditions you know
00:17:25.040every uplifting news has been like begotten by some horrible thing it's in the context of like
00:17:34.560an unbelievable nightmare yeah yeah mr rogers said look for the helpers yeah like that it's
00:17:42.160always it's always a boost to see what people are doing to help each other yeah and I think
00:17:49.460hopefully I mean you know Beltane has always been this like great awakening you know it's like we're
00:17:56.340dancing around a bonfire it's very full-on you know so um but it's it's interesting because
00:18:04.820normally you know this would be the time that we're we're out and about we're we're glad
00:18:08.780handing we're hugging and kissing and yeah so it's gonna be like um i can't even imagine what
00:18:17.720a subdued beltane is going to be like for all of us i guess for those of you listening it's a couple
00:18:24.860days before beltane when we're recording this but when you're listening to this this is your
00:18:28.380beltane what are you doing how are you celebrating yeah how are you finding that and what what piece
00:18:35.780of it is connecting with you right now you know um because there are these many sort of branches
00:18:41.180and histories of like a mayday festival you know from different different countries so often it's
00:18:48.980you know the roman version is like you kind of notoriously sexy um and then there's like the
00:18:56.280maypole and the dancing and flowers in the hair and the bunnies let loose and and the fire and
00:19:04.560jumping over the fire for luck and having your cows jump over the fire so their milk is blessed
00:19:10.340and safe. You know, there's all of this. But yeah, then there's also, there is this history
00:19:17.980of resistance that's tied to the day and that, you know, this book that I'm reading kind of
00:19:23.740unpacks how closely it was tied to these revolutionary ideas about resisting the
00:19:33.800conspiracy of kings resisting resisting you know a dominant power that was really focused on keeping
00:19:40.400people poor um and so there is this this anarchic and organized resistance history to the day so
00:19:52.520maybe there's something there to dig into if you're alone uh to try to find that that source of
00:19:58.960of fire and joy and delight in understanding our history of resistance and and also the like
00:20:06.140beautiful growth after uh yeah just to try to find some resources for our own selves right now
00:20:16.280yeah and again i mean this is this is the thing about soil right soil is rot soil is death but
00:20:24.760it's also like life like capital l life you know the most beautiful flower comes has to you know
00:20:32.940come up out of this rot and death and i mean that's the dream right is that the flowers grow
00:20:39.460from this this rot that this moment is a is a shift i was talking to someone who was telling
00:20:46.360me that because of the way isolation had played out for them they were back in the house and the
00:20:53.820context and the space that they had been when they were in a deep depression and finding that
00:21:01.680really hard I sometimes feel like I'm back in time with some of the way things are folding and
00:21:06.940happening around me right now that I'm back in a much darker place because it's that feeling of
00:21:12.540being stuck you know that oh yeah that feeling of being out of control and being stuck is always part
00:21:18.180of depression so we are we are in that place but I don't know this this person I was talking to
00:21:26.000is also we were noticing talking together that while it all feels the same it's also very obvious
00:21:34.880how she is not the same you know she is she is this confident and resilient person so in a way
00:21:44.140it's like she's time traveling back and giving some of that strength to the depressed person
00:21:50.880those people exist overlapped in time so she's both taking taking some some wisdom from that
00:21:58.460person she was before and giving some wisdom back I think I think we can spread ourselves
00:22:05.360out in time a little bit right now yeah and I mean you know I I have like anxiety ever since
00:22:12.360I can remember I've been having like a panic attacks and that kind of thing but you know
00:22:16.660through like therapizing and educating myself and just you know working as best I can I got
00:22:22.500myself down to like a base level four anxiety but now I'm just like I'm back up yeah I'm back
00:22:30.020up to base level six like I'm just like you know things happen and I might go up to a nine but like
00:22:35.140everybody's everybody who understands anxiety or experiences anxiety I think has like there
00:22:41.280our base levels our base levels of depression like if I'm you know I started as a four depressed
00:22:47.720and it was like a little hard to get out of bed and it was a little hard to motivate myself but
00:22:51.640like some days I'm a nine I ain't doing nothing yeah there's nothing I can do and it really is
00:22:57.360just because this like again I bring my own luggage to the table I bring my own brain chemicals to the
00:23:03.520table but a lot of it is just like you wake up you check the news you want to make sure you don't
00:23:08.640miss like some major happening um yeah and then that kind of sets your day you just end up on the
00:23:16.940infinite scroll um so yeah again i think that's happening for a lot of people it's just a wet
00:23:24.080blanket that's been put over like literally everything even if you are and and you know
00:23:29.240obviously we're not trying to steal anybody's happiness like if you're having a happy moment
00:23:33.440oh my goodness you are entitled to that happy moment that moment of joy like snatch them wherever
00:23:38.240you can but um even in those there's like there's an echo there's a shadow of like
00:23:44.760this is very real and very scary and I'm gonna have my bonfire and I'm gonna do my little flower
00:23:51.960dance but how will it be different I'm not sure I mean I'll get there in a couple days and I'll
00:23:58.280let everybody know yeah I think you know um compartmentalization is a really important
00:24:05.760coping tool when you're in a moment of trauma you know we we do it naturally we we save things
00:24:14.920for later that we'll deal with when we're safe and so if and in magic we talk a lot about
00:24:23.760the power of a container you know of container magic and it has sort of a version in all kinds
00:24:30.980of different forms and traditions and we can think about that as a thing yeah yeah you know
00:24:38.040making making bottles making bags um so i mean i think that that can be in a really awesome therapy
00:24:47.160tool and um and might be something for my may day on friday you know what are some things that i want
00:24:54.960to to put into the container to you know protect my house and my space and some symbols of those
00:25:01.260things and sing a song over those things and bury it somewhere if I can get into the frozen ground
00:25:07.840around here and what are some things to go into a container to burn that I'm hoping
00:25:12.320I can release and come to the end of you know yeah I mean I think for witches a part of
00:25:20.180part of my delight in you know um being quote-unquote being a witch is that everything
00:25:26.860is sort of metaphorical and uh material like sort of everything we do it's like i'm sweeping the
00:25:34.480floor obviously i'm like i'm sweeping the floor to like tidy up my house but i'm also putting
00:25:39.840those intentions those magical intentions of like sweeping out my atmosphere sweeping out my
00:25:45.160consciousness sweeping out the bad vibes whatever and so my in leading up to my mayday something
00:25:51.560that i i have been doing since i lived in a place where i'm allowed to burn things in the yard
00:25:56.620is that i very specifically and intentionally go around and again this is like quote-unquote
00:26:03.080yard work but for me it's like a very magical practice uh and i pick up the sticks that the
00:26:08.440winter knocked down and i pick up those sticks and i sort of you know thank the wind in the winter for
00:26:14.180for providing me with these sticks and then i go to the future which is spring which is beltane
00:26:20.900which is my my mayday bonfire and i take that past and i burn it but i mean all of this is just i'm
00:26:28.620gonna collect the sticks from my yard and burn them you know like any any old like farmer or
00:26:34.100granny or whatever is doing the same thing but it's just the again the witchcraft comes in the
00:26:39.620intentions um that we yeah i mean the great great gift of this is that you can we can find a way to
00:26:49.500a more healthy and sustainable society by treating every moment and every interaction
00:26:59.240as somehow sacred or choose a different word if you like magical but there is there is information
00:27:08.120there about how we can treat each other and how we can treat the world you know there is this uh
00:27:13.540if you want a little bit more of a secular take on it and whether you like dave chapelle or not
00:27:18.100is sort of beside the point but someone was talking about him and saying that their favorite
00:27:23.880thing about this comedian dave chapelle is that he treated every moment as if it had or were the
00:27:31.460potential to be a great memory you know and i was like that's what i want to be
00:27:40.820treat every moment as if it had the potential to be a memory that you'll carry with you for
00:27:47.660the rest of your life yeah i think that's my my my wish and my blessing for all of us for
00:27:55.340for May Day for Beltane yeah yeah even in these again and we don't want to like put that heaviness
00:28:03.020of like the capitalist lie of productivity determining our self-worth um so don't
00:28:11.820don't uh don't don't put the pressure on yourself like it it's it's an invitation oh right right
00:28:19.000yeah the opposite yeah yeah an invitation to joy as opposed to like a heavy pressure that you gotta
00:28:24.900do this or do that I mean that's been my main symptom I guess for lack of a better word my
00:28:31.260main symptom of this and and you know recalling your friend that you were talking about too is
00:28:37.660like I'm having these like mental blockages that I haven't had since I was like in school
00:28:42.340you know like I just can't bring myself to like do this one thing and there's no reason for me
00:28:48.800not to be able to do it it's just like and again this happened to me too in school where like I
00:28:53.860I did great in school and I loved school and I love being a student.
00:28:57.080I'm still a student, you know, in this,
00:28:58.860in this podcast form and that kind of thing in general life.
00:29:02.260But these just like weird psychological blockages are just like happening to