Missing Witches - January 16, 2025


Community Glows In The Dark w Amy And Risa

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Missing Witches Coven Yuletide Special 2024 WF - Jarod K. Anderson: Something In The Woods Loves You

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00:00:25.980 Hi, coven.
00:00:27.980 Hi, coven.
00:00:29.360 hi listeners
00:00:30.620 geez it's been a while
00:00:32.660 yeah that's what we were thinking
00:00:34.900 we were thinking it's been so long since Risa and I
00:00:37.280 just sat down and did a
00:00:39.180 one-on-one little chat
00:00:40.740 publicly I mean obviously
00:00:43.240 you know we have our little one-on-one
00:00:45.160 chats on the phone while we
00:00:46.860 sit
00:00:49.060 around and
00:00:50.240 consider the state of
00:00:53.200 the world and the state of our bodies
00:00:55.020 and the state of ourselves but
00:00:57.060 it's a brand new year
00:00:59.220 So we thought maybe we might need to reintroduce ourselves.
00:01:04.860 We might need to shout out people who have found our coven just by Googling online coven and maybe are just getting into the podcast now.
00:01:16.540 So I think we're both exhausted and I think the whole world is exhausted.
00:01:22.140 So I guess that makes sense.
00:01:23.640 um but yeah we're just here to hang to say hi ask you how you are how are you coven 0.99
00:01:30.740 hi strangers hi lovers hi witches hi friends how the fuck are you i will offer my own scoop and 0.89
00:01:41.700 update um because i think the last time if you are a podcast listener you heard from me was in 0.97
00:01:48.340 the scripted cancer episodes and I still am in the cancer
00:01:54.780 um but I'm okay um I'm super bald you can't see me but Amy can um I shaved my head and then
00:02:07.260 it started to grow back a teeny bit and then it all fell out and then the eyebrows went
00:02:13.700 and the eyelashes went and that messed me up you know it's strange how these small lines that make
00:02:21.060 up your face are these sort of gestures that you can relate to your sense of self in such a profound
00:02:28.560 way I was okay with losing the hair but the eyelashes really threw me small things um I am
00:02:37.820 I'm more than halfway through a six months of chemo or whatever it'll be in the end and then
00:02:46.980 25 rounds of radiation and then one more surgery and maybe that's it I'm in the land of probabilities
00:02:55.560 they cut the cancer out I have clean margins but there is probable cancer throughout future
00:03:02.800 probable cancer that we're attacking with aggressive chemicals now it's a strange
00:03:10.500 I have a strange relationship an altered relationship with science and magic in this
00:03:16.860 new chemo headspace that I've just been trying to wrap my head around and also there's you know
00:03:24.300 beautiful fluffy snow falling and it's a black and white world outside my window
00:03:29.520 and that's sort of the summary of how i am and who i am these days
00:03:34.540 i had um an episode where i found that a prescription medication that i had been given
00:03:43.180 for my various ailments like it really was not doing what it should have been doing and quite
00:03:51.820 the opposite actually in recent i had a long conversation about like how our medicines are
00:03:57.740 poisoning us and and how do you negotiate that and it feels like it feels like the world right now
00:04:07.760 that everything that we might find joy in has another side of its coin um and so we have to
00:04:16.580 look even harder to find the joy i did think of a little bit of potential joy for risa but 1.00
00:04:21.300 But Risa does not like to put shit on her face. 1.00
00:04:27.220 She's not like a big makeup wearer or, you know, even at Halloween, which is something that she and I do not have in common. 0.99
00:04:35.560 I will glue a thousand rhinestones to my face and not think about it.
00:04:39.100 But I was thinking about like your loss of eyebrows and how that was really like something that like when you looked in your face, it made you feel very differently about your face. 0.80
00:04:51.300 and I was thinking about how so many drag artists will intentionally remove their eyebrows so that 0.79
00:04:58.940 they don't have to block them out yeah and so if you wanted to you know paint your face like divine 0.99
00:05:05.540 from pink flamingos this would be the perfect time to do it if you wanted to you know really
00:05:11.420 get into heavy camp drag now would be the perfect time for you to get into that totally this is the
00:05:20.520 time I mean I definitely like I've had to play with dress up a little bit to sort of shake myself
00:05:29.520 I don't know like back into different ideas of who I can be like access that part
00:05:36.500 different parts of myself you know like I really went through a valley of sweatsuits
00:05:44.260 dark dark valley of sweatsuits when I really couldn't I couldn't access narratives about
00:05:54.660 myself and I told Amy you know I couldn't watch narratives either I couldn't really process when
00:06:00.340 I was in the sort of dose dense chemo I couldn't really process narratives but I couldn't really
00:06:06.280 access narratives about myself either and I said in a coven call that I was experiencing
00:06:14.520 gender dysmorphia or a sense of body dysmorphia just feeling so confused about my body um
00:06:22.920 because I have you know expanders in and my breasts just don't look normal they look really
00:06:28.860 to me very um cyborg and they feel so strange because all the nerve endings are cut so they're
00:06:36.260 isn't this sort of sense of like living sexuality or whatever um yeah i just i know when i look in 0.78
00:06:43.360 the mirror like bald and weird cyborg tits that point straight up or mine used to point straight 0.76
00:06:49.380 down after many years of breastfeeding not many okay two years of breastfeeding no judgment for 0.94
00:06:55.700 anybody who goes a long time um many many many years of breastfeeding 12 years no um yeah
00:07:06.020 and then I had a coven mate reach out um who was going through transition who was like I heard you
00:07:12.120 use that word and just wanted to send you love from the land of dysmorphia like I'm I'm really
00:07:18.120 with you in that and I think that you have more in common with that experience even than you
00:07:22.840 realize you know and um they were so kind to include me in that experience and in that discourse
00:07:29.320 and offer me rather than to gatekeep the experience yeah yeah yeah exactly which if
00:07:37.640 you feel like i shouldn't have access to that i could understand that too there maybe there should
00:07:41.740 be a different word but there is a feeling of like really being so disoriented by your body
00:07:49.000 by it being wrong um and i knew you know really that i wanted breasts even if they were going to
00:07:57.000 be fake and that really helped me understand in my body what it is to know that you needed
00:08:02.160 to transition in a minor way you know like I don't have that full experience or anywhere near
00:08:07.600 but I certainly like I'm I'm put myself in allegiance with people who have that experience
00:08:13.540 um but yeah playing dress up helps sometimes um and I can see how maybe a little like
00:08:22.460 sparkle eyebrow could help because you have a blank canvas right I sure do yeah I have um
00:08:31.980 I have like the the the white fuzz of a post chemo bald head this is like a known thing to
00:08:41.280 chemo patients but probably nobody else but like you get this like you before your hair goes back
00:08:46.300 you get this like white baby fuzz so i have that now it's so weird it's cute i can see it
00:08:53.800 just a little like halo of light yeah i can see a halo
00:08:58.920 what are you looking forward to for 2025
00:09:03.920 what am i looking forward to for 2025 i mean one thing that is sort of daily joyful
00:09:15.140 for me is that we do have people finding us from the gooks you know that people really are looking
00:09:26.480 for an online coven that's trans-inclusive that loves science and hugging trees that people are
00:09:35.460 finding that and seeing themselves in it um and making common cause with us that's so joyful
00:09:44.440 really it is because to i feel like on our website we really have been just and in the podcast just
00:09:52.760 like so honest about who we are like i feel like this is really a very accurate reflection of who
00:09:59.900 we are and what we think we're not setting ourselves up to teach wicca or anything that
00:10:05.140 we don't know you know we're just sort of exploring what this word means to us and why
00:10:09.840 it means something to us this word which yeah yeah that word um so yeah i look forward to that
00:10:21.360 it's to see the community grow and to see people in our community inside the coven space that's
00:10:29.680 that's only accessible to to supporting members take on like sort of step into their roles as
00:10:37.520 co-creators um and to be creating more and more in that space is something I really look forward
00:10:44.500 that was sort of the dream and I especially this week after a weaver's call I really felt like
00:10:50.460 that dream like sort of got lift you know um in a totally new way also I would just like to have
00:10:58.720 a year without constant crisis but I don't think that's in the cards it's it's not looking like
00:11:05.600 2025 is gonna be that year we already we already lost that battle in like the first two weeks of
00:11:12.260 January you know we have a lot of friends and loved ones and relations who are living in
00:11:18.580 California and are just being reduced to tears as always um we have to shout out Amanda Yates
00:11:25.600 Garcia who is you know um not like the love and light everything's great like she called the mayor 0.99
00:11:33.520 a cunt in her last newsletter. And I was like, that's so real. That's so real. But, um, I would 0.98
00:11:41.420 follow, um, and subscribe to the newsletter definitely of Amanda Yates Garcia, who is sort
00:11:47.460 of talking us through, um, obviously the fires in LA, but also how she has seen her community
00:11:57.400 come together and I think that that's that's the biggest goal for me for so many of us is just to
00:12:07.080 build and develop communities of care like real communities of real care where we can go into a
00:12:17.140 place when we're um not feeling like putting on the mask of everything's great and don't worry
00:12:25.500 about me and I'll be fine and I think we've all reached that point you know those of us with any
00:12:33.160 kind of global consciousness um are at that point where it's just like this is not okay and I am not
00:12:41.280 okay in this you know if you are thinking about joining the Missing Witches Coven you know
00:12:48.360 normally when a podcast has like a Patreon or you know something to that effect it'll be like
00:12:56.080 bonus episodes or you know content that wasn't included but for us it really is about building
00:13:03.220 community about building relationships about having a place to go when the world seems so scary that
00:13:11.880 we almost have forgotten beauty and laughter and to to grab that stuff and cling it back and
00:13:21.300 hold it close to ourselves we need that you know risa and i we talk all the time about and that's
00:13:27.860 why our book new moon magic the the subtitle is like resistance and re-enchantment and we come
00:13:34.240 back to this again and again and again what are we fighting against we know something that has been
00:13:40.180 kind of very interesting you know luigi really helped to bring this idea to the forefront
00:13:47.200 whatever you think about that situation is sort of neither here nor there the point for me is that
00:13:52.880 people are talking about class and how so much of racism homophobia transphobia comes back down to 0.99
00:14:04.320 capitalism and how the ruling class can profiteer from us feeling fucking shit about ourselves 0.97
00:14:13.740 and so that to me is such an important point to make that this awakening this like people who 0.98
00:14:21.180 never thought about class consciousness before you know I have a friend who I would probably
00:14:25.740 call like apolitical and I I envy her that skill to be able to just like go through life
00:14:33.400 unconcerned about global politics or local politics or politics of any kind but even she 0.76
00:14:41.500 is at this point where you know she's driving past the the um the tent tent cities that are
00:14:50.620 popping up in montreal and again this is montreal like we're talking minus 20 degrees celsius like
00:14:56.620 it's it's not safe it's not fair it's not right and so i i said to she she was asking me like
00:15:04.880 what do i do with these feelings and i was like welcome to your radicalization you know today is
00:15:12.160 the day circle it on the calendar today was the day that we got radicalized and of course we know
00:15:18.400 that like the cure for that, for that feeling of helplessness is, is action. And what I said to
00:15:30.800 her was like, pick one thing, pick one thing to care about and one thing to work toward. There
00:15:36.460 are too many. If you try to save everyone, you're, you're not only going to not be able to save
00:15:42.860 anyone, but you're also going to lose yourself. It's impossible. It's an impossible task.
00:15:46.760 and when we are in communities then we can kind of divide and conquer you know what's your skill
00:15:54.640 set what are you passionate about okay then let's let's facilitate that and let's foster that and
00:16:01.220 then i'm gonna go work over here again i feel like every time we're in a room together i bring up the
00:16:08.000 Doreen Valienti story of like her being invited to this event like a witchcraft event and they
00:16:16.660 were like expecting her to be the keynote speaker and she showed up and they were like you know what
00:16:21.500 do you want to do how do you want to be involved and she said well I could wash the dishes
00:16:28.000 and that like I think about it all the time how we and again maybe that's part of capitalism where
00:16:37.100 Everything's got to be big and grand and massive, but life is actually made up of just these tiny little, maybe we could wash the dishes, maybe I could wash the dishes for you, and what a rippling effect that has across people's lives.
00:16:53.960 So, again, 2025, I think, is going to be a big year of class consciousness, a big year of community building.
00:17:03.700 When we had our flood last summer that caused the landslide that took out a chunk of my yard, I remember, you know, the mayor of our little town was like, rely on your neighbors, rely on your friends, which is very true and very beautiful and very good.
00:17:21.940 But also is another way of saying like, we're not, we're not coming to help you. You know, when the government says rely on your neighbors, what they're actually saying is like, you're on your own. And we can't be on our own. We cannot be on our own. And so it becomes so, so much more important to like resist that, the individualism of capitalism, the lie of self-reliance, where if you just have enough money,
00:17:51.940 then you don't need fucking anybody, you know? 0.91
00:17:55.300 And it's just not true. 0.98
00:17:58.260 When there are no farmers, you can't buy food,
00:18:01.940 even if you have a billion dollars.
00:18:03.620 If there are no farmers, there is no food.
00:18:07.440 And we all need to be fostering community
00:18:10.260 and fostering relationships,
00:18:12.280 giving each other that place that we talked about earlier, Risa, 0.99
00:18:15.420 where you can just fucking cry. 0.96
00:18:18.980 Like, you don't have to pretend that everything is okay. 0.98
00:18:21.940 here, which is super important for all of our mental health, for all of us. So that's what I'm
00:18:30.900 really looking forward to in 2025 is like the raising of class consciousness, the recognition
00:18:37.160 that like so much of identity politics can be really traced back to, you know, capitalism or
00:18:44.020 anti-capitalism and and joining together against people who would hoard enough wealth that
00:18:54.220 generations and generations and generations of their descendants couldn't possibly spend 0.79
00:18:58.940 in all of their lifetimes combined that's fucking mind-blowing to me that this has been allowed to 0.98
00:19:06.200 happen. And so now hopefully 2025 will be a sea change. We started out, and I mean, this is me 0.91
00:19:14.820 going off on a bit of a tangent here, but like for the first time in my life, I'm thinking about,
00:19:21.140 you know, all of my travel plans, and I'm not a rich person, so I can't just book a plane ticket
00:19:27.760 whenever I feel like it and go wherever I feel like, you know, I just, I don't have the resources
00:19:32.160 for that. But for the first time in my life, I'm thinking to myself, I need to go to this
00:19:38.340 place because it might not be there. It never occurred to me before and maybe because like
00:19:45.800 it wasn't as confronting of a possibility. You know, that might not be there. The Hollywood
00:19:53.700 sign might not be there. And I'm thinking about places all over the world that I want
00:20:00.220 a visit like when was it was years ago when the when the cathedral notre dame burned
00:20:07.200 and luckily i had already crossed paris off my bucket list you know but to think like imagine
00:20:16.100 me someone like me who's like okay in five years i'm gonna see this thing that's really important
00:20:21.320 to me and then it's just not there so i really just like i want to snatch as much life as i can
00:20:28.820 while it's still fucking there and available i yeah i mean i i relate to that feeling from a
00:20:36.540 different perspective like i i'm really in it's such a bummer to say but like i am so my thinking 0.79
00:20:46.560 is so much like what do i want to do before i die because i might not i might not be here not like
00:20:54.600 the eiffel tower might not be that i might not be here i keep telling my friend you know i was
00:21:00.300 walking with a friend the other day and she's talking about a complexity in her life with a
00:21:04.900 you know uh ancestor a great uncle and whatever and i was like well you know my sort of philosophy
00:21:13.860 these days is like if you think of somebody with love you should tell them immediately because
00:21:19.980 people die like sore you know I'm not sorry I I don't mean to throw it down your throat but like
00:21:28.580 people die they just die on you Merry Christmas Happy New Year people die on you you know
00:21:35.980 I might die like it might not work and I will die we all will it's such a it's such a heavy
00:21:43.320 thing to carry and i know from mark's perspective it's always been like um
00:21:49.900 us rushing to see these places precipitates the dying like we we accelerate it with each
00:21:59.040 transatlantic flight by being consumptive tourists you know like we accelerate the
00:22:05.220 the process the capitalist process that's that's killing it and so for him i i can see that thought
00:22:12.800 process sometimes can almost become paralyzing right it's like well I can't do things that make
00:22:19.780 it worse but at the same time I think he manages to he's trying to cultivate and I think so many
00:22:28.160 people are trying to cultivate a way of being in the world that is like less consumptive that is
00:22:36.480 like more about the joys that we can nourish right here for this little bit of time that we
00:22:44.020 have you know just walking around the lake with my neighbor who's a retired soil scientist who's
00:22:51.380 talking about theories of degrowth you know that there's been this sort of story perpetuated that
00:22:59.480 like farms always have to produce more uh the economy always has to produce more or we're in
00:23:06.060 a recession we always have to grow but that's always been a lie there's only one planet there
00:23:12.000 isn't infinite growth possible and so that whole model has to change like that that math just
00:23:20.600 doesn't math for very long and so you know it's like we can't all experience everything we can't
00:23:27.780 all see everything otherwise you know our planes collide in the air and we run out of fuel you know
00:23:35.440 for me the great the great like awakening heartbreak was was realizing that I probably
00:23:41.500 wouldn't see the Great Barrier Reef you know when it had been like the ocean world is like my my like
00:23:47.780 dreamscape it's my like it's like the world of magic to me is is the is the ocean world
00:23:55.400 and so to realize that that that is dying that I won't see that my daughter won't see that
00:24:02.120 was like it's not still not something i can really look at it's like a i think we probably
00:24:07.380 all have them listener do you have them the thing that you mourn that you can't really look at
00:24:12.060 that the world is losing how do we deal with that you know we have to grieve together
00:24:18.420 and then also like remember what climate scientists are telling us that like every
00:24:25.580 you know every degree that we save saves billions of lives every every step that we take
00:24:34.740 towards saving the earth matters it's never too late there is no moment where it's too late
00:24:40.980 every every moment that we salvage matters across species and throughout ecosystems so
00:24:49.600 i do i do take not comfort
00:24:55.580 bioluminescence
00:24:59.760 the shine that comes from within i i you know thinking about the ocean bioluminescence comes
00:25:08.600 up for us a lot and there's this like a non-metaphorical glow that comes from within
00:25:17.040 cultivating bioluminescence yeah we were talking about bioluminescence in a circle the other day
00:25:24.400 and I wanted to share this piece and I'll share it here from the natural world that is
00:25:31.040 a metaphor for me as these like sort of living metaphors always are but
00:25:36.260 so flying squirrels we we had some flying squirrels live in living in our attic this
00:25:45.680 fall, we sort of had to gently evacuate them. And we felt bad, you know, but sort of tucked
00:25:55.640 a little stick behind and nudged them out and off they flew into the woods. And I'd
00:26:01.140 seen them here one other time before, but I went back and reread some of the stuff I'd
00:26:06.160 read about them and watched a documentary I'd seen before. And it was reassuring to
00:26:11.620 remember that flying squirrels have nests all through the forests that they inhabit um they
00:26:20.120 don't just have one home they make their homes in many places they have their stashes all throughout
00:26:25.260 the forest too of food and they find each other um in a unique way because they see a different
00:26:36.640 spectrum of light than we do so they can see um like a glowing uv light and they are um they have
00:26:50.160 markings on their body that glow in that exact spectrum so to them the forest is not dark the
00:26:58.800 forest is lit up with these glowing streaks of their family and friends catching air and flying
00:27:07.320 through the woods that what to us looks like sort of these like frail or sketchy night rats
00:27:15.540 they are terrifying i'm sorry i only ever saw flying squirrels once and i assume they're 0.97
00:27:22.540 nocturnal because it was nighttime and they were very active and i was like what the fuck are those 0.91
00:27:29.160 freaky weasel rats like climbing yeah and they're huge dark eyes they're huge huge black eyes but 0.98
00:27:36.040 that's how they can see these like it's not bioluminescent i don't i'm not gonna get the
00:27:41.140 exact scientific terminology right but basically they glow to each other and they see each other
00:27:47.300 glowing through the night and I want to offer that at least to myself and perhaps to you
00:27:52.520 listener I am like crawling around in the dark trying to find what I believe and how to be
00:27:59.540 joyful these days the call to re-enchantment hits me really deep because I need to find
00:28:06.640 enchantment again and maybe we can be on that quest together this year but I will hold on to
00:28:13.940 this image in very dark times of all of us out there glowing at frequencies that only we can see.
00:28:23.580 I think that that's a perfect metaphor with which to conclude, but I will pose a question
00:28:29.900 originally posed by Mary Oliver to all of you from her poem The Summer Day.
00:28:35.900 What is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?
00:28:40.920 this is something that we can think about instead of getting consumed by grief we can go into spaces
00:28:49.440 where that grief is allowed to be released we don't have to hold it in and once you
00:28:55.080 have released some of that grief to someone who will listen even just nod along um then that
00:29:03.820 makes space for something else that makes space for the re-enchantment part that that makes space
00:29:08.740 for us to see differently to see uv glowing in the dark and find our community that's the really
00:29:17.380 really interesting takeaway for me about the flying squirrel is that even in the dark they
00:29:24.180 see in such a way that they can see their community glowing like a beacon that will lead them to each 0.93
00:29:31.160 other i mean come on i mean blessed fucking be blessed fucking be we love you and thanks for 0.99
00:29:43.820 joining us for another year yeah be safe out there you must be a witch if you want to support 0.99
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