Missing Witches - February 01, 2020


Imbolc Special 2020! Decolonizing Love with Chelsea A. Hamlet

Topics
Witches Found - Magic Resistance with WITCH: Hex The Patriarchy filmmaker Melissa James Witches Found: Calling All Witches with Erica

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52 minutes

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8,883

Sentence count

151

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12

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Toxicity

37

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00:00:00.000 You aren't being a proper woman, therefore you must be a witch. 1.00
00:00:06.640 You must be a witch. 1.00
00:00:09.300 Happy Imbolc! 0.99
00:00:11.380 It's the halfway point between the winter solstice and the spring equinox.
00:00:15.420 We made it.
00:00:16.880 To me, Imbolc is about questioning old patterns before we take new steps or make new plans.
00:00:22.560 It's about examining the status quo to make sure we don't bring old, unnecessary baggage with us into the spring.
00:00:28.620 So since Imbolc falls just a couple weeks before Valentine's Day, I thought we'd take today to deconstruct some of the things we've been taught about love and sex and relationships.
00:00:39.160 I think what we experience largely in this society is what's been termed colonial love.
00:00:45.440 The number one thing about colonialism is that it says you have to be and do things this one way that it has been decided is how we are and how we do things.
00:00:57.840 It's racist and sexist, ableist and heteronormative.
00:01:02.760 Colonial love will endanger another person for its own gain. 0.78
00:01:06.880 It's possessive, jealous, enforces unbalanced rules. 0.93
00:01:10.980 It's the idea of relationships as staking claim to the ownership of another person.
00:01:17.260 Controlling, strict, transactional.
00:01:20.640 It decides what is acceptable and what is not.
00:01:23.660 Who is worthy of love and who is not. 0.87
00:01:27.740 Colonial love says you can't be queer, you can't be polyamorous, you can't wear that. 0.81
00:01:32.460 And you can't express your needs. 1.00
00:01:34.120 You can't be a slut, and you can't be a prude. 0.98
00:01:36.220 But don't worry, because some statistics show that more than half of adults surveyed admitted to cheating on a partner. 0.98
00:01:43.300 So you can have multiple partners, you just can't be honest about it.
00:01:48.040 Under colonialism, deceit is key.
00:01:52.280 Keeping up appearances is essential. 0.97
00:01:54.580 Sex education is blasphemy. Capitalist and colonialist mentalities have created and 0.98
00:02:01.500 normalized broken, toxic ideas about love. Colonial love breeds shame and seeks control
00:02:08.760 over bodies and behaviors. Pleasure is shameful. Kink shaming. Body shaming. Slut shaming. Shame, 1.00
00:02:15.180 shame, shame. Because keeping you ashamed of being different is a great way to make sure 1.00
00:02:22.080 you're always dimming your light. Keeping hidden your shiny disco ball of multiplicity and otherness.
00:02:29.480 It's easier that way. Easier for them. They can just pretend you don't exist. And easier for you
00:02:35.580 too. Keep your head down. Don't rock the boat. Don't draw attention. Don't make eye contact.
00:02:40.300 Don't incite violence by existing. Be desirable, but not too desirable. Be socially acceptable.
00:02:47.640 Blend in.
00:02:48.480 Be likable.
00:02:49.260 Be lovable.
00:02:50.020 But be careful. 1.00
00:02:52.040 Or say fuck it and be a witch. 1.00
00:02:55.940 Change the rules. 1.00
00:02:57.880 Iraq War veteran, author, social worker, and multimedia artist M.B. Delaccio wrote,
00:03:03.980 Intimacy is, without a doubt in my mind, the opposite of imperialism.
00:03:08.480 It is easy to dehumanize and judge someone else, but it takes so much more to love them.
00:03:14.540 When we don't have to hide who we are, we recognize one another as partners in dismantling
00:03:20.640 systems that keep us divided and broken. To decolonize love, we have to begin with
00:03:26.500 loving ourselves enough to demand respect, dignity, and space, and to have the courage
00:03:32.820 to allow others to love us back. So let's decolonize love today. Our love for ourselves
00:03:41.340 and our love for each other. Let's not try to buy love or control love. Let's make love free
00:03:46.900 and honest and non-judgmental and without prejudice. Make love a journey, not a product.
00:03:54.140 Make it malleable, not rigid. Let it exist in a multitude of ways, which is let's write our own
00:04:02.380 rules. We'll get into more of the writers and thinkers who use this term in the interview
00:04:08.120 you're about to hear and i'll put them all in the show notes but when this theme of decolonizing
00:04:12.440 love occurred to me for this episode the first person i thought of was writer erotic blueprint
00:04:18.680 tm coach and self-described baby orisha devotee chelsea a hamlet on whose blog i've been reading
00:04:28.280 such titles as this is how i wish my partners responded when i told them they gave me an sti
00:04:34.360 And, what about your friends with herpes? Elsewhere, her essays about kink, like,
00:04:39.960 I had extra-freaky mind-blowing sex with a BDSM dom and hit up a kink party. The fact that she's, 1.00
00:04:45.940 quote, reading about the connection between pleasure, sexuality, feminism, and women of
00:04:51.820 the African diaspora, along with redefining what self-pleasure means to her, beyond traditional
00:04:58.300 masturbation practices clinched it this is just the kind of frankness and perspective we need to
00:05:04.660 decolonize love and decolonize our thinking we started the conversation with chelsea's thoughts
00:05:09.940 on the word witch i recently learned that um the african-urban practices not all of the um
00:05:17.920 now i like to call them denominations because i grew up in christianity so that's how i
00:05:24.720 categorized it in my mind but that's not what they're called i call them that
00:05:28.300 um but basically in the particular um yoga practices that i'm around they don't acknowledge
00:05:38.680 the witch as a good thing right and so i am i feel like i'm in between like different worlds where
00:05:46.220 i'm currently reading um pan grossman's book um waking the wish and i love it it's a my i feel
00:05:54.020 like the little occult nerd in me is doing backflips every time I read it but also um to
00:06:01.200 acknowledge just on a spiritual level that um that's not necessarily what everybody who practices
00:06:10.060 in your the faithful orisha faith um deems positive it just depends on who you're talking
00:06:15.140 to and depends on um who you are but I definitely spoke to my godmother she was like yeah you know
00:06:20.380 because i'd like to consult with her and i would just let her know about the podcast and everything
00:06:25.360 like that and she's a little older than me so she's like what's a podcast so we had like a
00:06:30.480 really like cute conversation around it but yeah she made it clear she was like you know i love
00:06:35.900 that people are taking back that term but in terms of um in terms of the practices that we
00:06:42.900 are doing that you know you're learning from underneath the witch is not something that is
00:06:49.220 being positive within that you know lives in the year of religion all the time someone mentioned
00:06:54.900 to me um that i'm multi-faith and that really kind of struck according to me i was like yeah
00:07:00.640 i kind of am so i acknowledge that um there are certain parts of the night so how can i put it
00:07:09.380 so i'm a devotee of orisha's right and a lot of people when they hear orisha they think of
00:07:17.280 which um makes sense but i actually am i'm studying under the ifa faith yes which predates
00:07:26.240 it predates santeria by quite i mean we don't even know exactly exactly so i'm noticing that
00:07:35.480 you know and ifa is like more of a nigerian um piece so that's it's more basically based in
00:07:42.720 africa so their practices are very different from westernized culture and i'm still literally like
00:07:48.480 a baby in being a orishian devotee it hasn't even it's only been it's only been a few years
00:07:54.200 so there's so many things i still have yet to learn but i'm also learning through books
00:07:57.740 through talking to my godmother and as of right now i'm a sponge so i don't really feel a way
00:08:05.060 that they view the witch they don't always necessarily view the opportunity as a witch
00:08:08.560 that's a good thing i'm just taking it as you know what it's a cultural thing um i'm gonna
00:08:12.960 acknowledge it i'm gonna respect it and also i love the fact that you know in terms of me being
00:08:17.860 more westernized in terms of me being in america that the witch is having a resurgence and it's
00:08:22.280 more positive so i feel like it's both and like i understand that that's where they're coming from
00:08:27.080 but i also appreciate what the witch stands for from how i grew up because i grew up with hocus
00:08:32.520 focus, I grew up, you know, I grew up with all these, like, different archetypes that
00:08:38.140 I loved as, like, you know, witches, and so it's both for me.
00:08:43.760 All of us are many things, like, it's like this colonial patriarchy that says you have
00:08:49.140 to be this or that, and I think we're kind of saying you can be this and that.
00:08:53.400 Exactly, and some people, some of my friends really get annoyed with me because I'm very,
00:09:00.120 I see both sides
00:09:02.360 and they're like no you've got to pick a side
00:09:04.880 and I'm like why do I have to pick a side
00:09:06.420 why can't I just see both sides
00:09:08.200 whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant to the fact
00:09:10.540 that I see both sides
00:09:11.500 I feel like when you know to pick a side
00:09:14.560 you know to pick a side
00:09:15.760 I know that in certain
00:09:18.600 conversations this is the side I
00:09:20.480 will pick regardless of what's
00:09:22.580 being said this is the side I'll pick but in general
00:09:24.480 I feel like a lot of people
00:09:26.400 try to make mountains out of no hills
00:09:28.580 when it's okay to disagree but you can also see where the where the person's coming from and
00:09:32.500 that's okay now when it's now when it starts to get a little disrespectful then you know
00:09:37.760 you gotta excuse yourself and you know go from there because i also learned that not many people
00:09:41.880 can have a healthy conversation around it and that brings us to what made me want to uh get
00:09:49.480 you for this episode is that um certain topics are kind of your your bread and butter
00:09:56.360 things that other people don't want to talk about so like what made you decide to write so candidly
00:10:04.620 about sex and about um all the things that that entails in in the real version of life
00:10:11.900 wow that is a loaded question but yeah
00:10:15.200 so let me break it into the first part what made you decide to write so candidly and honestly the
00:10:23.220 first part the first answer that comes to mind is that i love sex in the city even though it's
00:10:27.300 very problematic when you break down what exactly was going on like in sex in the city with a more
00:10:33.580 conscious lens that 2020 has given us in 2019 and so forth and so on um but i love carrie blackjaw
00:10:41.660 i love that she was so keen on her about her relationships and i was like one day i actually
00:10:45.240 want to do that like i want to be able to write what's going on in my love life and hopefully
00:10:49.200 inspire others yes she's a fictional character but I always had that interest but I was just like
00:10:56.080 you know maybe I'll grow out of it and then one day I realized you know I graduated from college
00:11:04.100 and I realized okay I don't know what I want to do with my life and I really sat down and I decided
00:11:10.280 to go the entrepreneur route and study under different people and every time they had me do
00:11:18.180 something it had to do with writing no matter how much I tried to run from it no matter how much
00:11:23.020 um I was told it would never make money I always ran from it until I couldn't anymore and so I
00:11:30.440 said okay I'm doing this for other people now what do I want to share as me and have it feel authentic
00:11:38.100 and sex and relationships was the main topic that I chose because I asked a few of my friends like
00:11:45.500 what do i always talk about like i'm not sure like where i want to go in terms of being a writer
00:11:50.300 but what do i always talk about and many times the top three was like sex spirituality slash religion
00:11:58.400 and food and i was like okay and i was like i don't want to really be a food writer but i love
00:12:05.380 the fact that people do it but i was like i don't feel like that's me um and i was like okay i can
00:12:09.960 I can rock with the sex and the and ironically I didn't really want to talk so publicly about my
00:12:16.440 spirituality I like talking with like you know close friends or you know maybe mutual acquaintances
00:12:22.200 but I never thought I would actually be on a podcast talking about um my faith and my different
00:12:28.180 um my different views on it or anything like this public so even this is like a huge like step for
00:12:34.700 me so it's crazy how everything kind of comes full circle in terms of like you don't really
00:12:40.200 know why certain things are done in the past until you really look at where you are now
00:12:46.440 so i hope does that answer your question in terms of how i got there yeah and i'm i'm super grateful
00:12:53.960 that you are where you are now because we get to share this moment thank you me too um it feels
00:13:01.820 it feels right it feels good it feels um it feels like a layer that I'm shedding um because my word
00:13:08.260 for 2020 is faith and just jumping in having it turn out good choice I I struggle with anxiety
00:13:17.560 and I feel like faith is the opposite of anxiety so it's something that I'm really trying to
00:13:22.620 trying to get my head around to but I think it's maybe not a head thing I should be trying to get
00:13:27.900 my heart around no but that's so valid because um off and on i struggle with um anxiety and
00:13:34.640 depression as well so i feel you on that and the fact that you said that faith is the opposite of
00:13:39.900 anxiety it that made me look at it even differently and confirm that this is the right word for me for
00:13:45.840 2020 um because it is it's kind of like feeling the anxiety and you know acknowledging it but
00:13:52.200 just also moving past it therapy is a wonderful thing so if anybody is able to afford therapy or
00:13:58.060 have insurance please please please please please see a licensed therapist to help you or a licensed
00:14:05.600 counselor or something because that is one of the things that has gotten me through um and it has
00:14:11.880 allowed me to figure out my decisions and the roots of why certain things are the way they are
00:14:18.080 how I feel the way I feel so that's a huge um factor in terms of me moving through anxiety
00:14:23.980 um and also my very close circle of friends um they either talk me off of a ledge
00:14:31.700 um or they validate how I'm feeling they're like hey I understand how you feel it's valid how you
00:14:38.060 feel now here's where I could see how this could be an issue and I feel like I'm grateful for that
00:14:47.180 because they acknowledge you know where i'm coming from they get it but then if i'm wrong
00:14:51.840 they will tell me sis like this is incorrect like or hey you see how this could be a little
00:14:57.180 problematic and then we work through it so therapy good friends and um honestly um my faith honestly
00:15:05.980 um before when i was in christianity it was very it was it was great like i enjoyed my time um as
00:15:14.960 Christian. But then when I, um, a friend of mine said, Hey, I think you would be interested in
00:15:19.900 learning about, you know, Yoruba and if I to be specific, and that also helped me as well. So I
00:15:27.000 feel like my faith, regardless of what it was, has also helped carry me, um, to continuously being
00:15:35.960 better and trusting and figuring out what I'm supposed to do and where I'm supposed to be.
00:15:40.500 and how does your godmother fit into this she's awesome hey yeah linda um she's going to listen
00:15:49.020 to this podcast because i'm going to send it to her and ask her to listen to it and it may be one
00:15:52.400 of her first podcasts that she listens to so yay hi um she fits into this because um some people
00:16:01.380 are solo practitioners and i really admire that because it takes some discipline and to a degree
00:16:07.800 I feel like, um, I'm a solo learner because we'll talk, but then I'll also have a book,
00:16:14.580 but she has learned firsthand about, cause she's a priestess in the year of the faith.
00:16:20.560 So she's learned a lot of things, um, that I am still trying to understand and some things
00:16:28.060 I still don't even know. And so my friend who told me that he thinks that I would be interested
00:16:33.500 in learn more about your book introduced me to her and ever since um we connected i haven't left
00:16:40.660 her since so i literally like ask her about you know how she feels about certain things i tell her
00:16:46.000 what's going on in my life and um you know i literally am being mentored by her in terms of
00:16:53.540 like my faith and also just learning how to trust my own um power because we all have our own unique
00:17:00.420 power in us and how do you and how do you access your unique power do you do it through your
00:17:08.500 worship or through your interaction with the nature parts of nature or that's so pretty
00:17:15.640 crazy that you mentioned nature so it wasn't until i got more into yoruba that i acknowledge
00:17:23.860 nature the way i do now um but to me i'm still not as in tune as i wish i could be but i feel
00:17:32.920 like i could be more in tune with nature and the elements but ever since um this trend this um
00:17:39.460 addition to my faith because i still believe in god and i still acknowledge you know jesus christ
00:17:42.940 uh but at the same time i love the fact that i'm also a devotee because i get to learn more about
00:17:52.460 the elements around me and what they represent so there are times like if i'm feeling stressed out
00:17:57.820 or if i'm feeling um like i need to be rejuvenated i go outside even if it's not sunny even if i'm
00:18:05.460 tired i try to go outside because there's something about being in fresh air and if the sun is up
00:18:10.580 that's a bonus it's like it rejuvenates me and it helps me just ground and center and get back
00:18:16.520 in tune with my inner power. But on a more pragmatic note, I feel like my power is accessed
00:18:22.800 through my writing. That's a huge thing that I've noticed. And also practicing with my godmother too
00:18:31.700 has also helped access my power as well. Because I realized that there's things that are bigger
00:18:36.700 than me, but also things that are helping me and entities that are helping me, energies that are
00:18:40.460 helping me help myself. So I believe it's all that in one. Yeah. And everything intersecting
00:18:47.120 all at once. It's kind of hard to describe these kinds of things, right? It is. Cause I even feel
00:18:52.120 kind of crazy talking about it. And I'm like, I hope this is making sense because, um, as I spoke
00:18:58.280 to you offline about, I'm still so new into the faith and understanding, um, what my faith entails
00:19:05.200 And also acknowledging that I also want to continue to acknowledge, you know, the faith I grew up in.
00:19:13.680 So the multi-faith coupled with learning a new faith, coupled with, you know, learning about different aspects of the occult that I never got to do as a kid because I grew up in the church.
00:19:25.660 I feel like it's so intertwined and so multi-layered that sometimes it's hard to explain.
00:19:30.440 and I just sometimes I'm just like I hope people understand and don't think I'm crazy
00:19:36.880 and that also ties into like my anxiety
00:19:41.920 yeah I think every time we do an episode of this podcast we have that anxiety ourselves
00:19:50.780 okay this is going to be the one where they think we're crazy
00:19:55.560 okay let's go then to something that you are an expert on your online presence mentions that
00:20:03.960 you're an erotic blueprint coach what's that what is that so the erotic blueprints um were created
00:20:13.780 by um jaya she is a renowned sexologist she's amazing um and she created the erotic blueprints
00:20:21.280 and there are five different erotic blueprints so have you ever heard of the five love languages
00:20:26.100 yes they're like gift giving and that's that kind of their five i can't remember tell tell me right
00:20:33.660 right no but you got it you get it right so basically it's the five love languages for
00:20:38.820 the bedroom basically that's the best way i can describe the erotic blueprints but instead of like
00:20:44.620 gift giving and words of affirmation and acts of service and all that type of good stuff.
00:20:51.840 So there are five different erotic blueprints. There are energetic, sensual, sexual, kinky,
00:21:00.300 and shapeshifter. Okay. So now as a witch, shapeshifter really appeals to me as a term. 0.62
00:21:07.660 What does that mean in terms of the erotic blueprint? So a shapeshifter means you can do
00:21:12.940 it all basically so you are a very sophisticated erotic being so instead of just being like you
00:21:21.600 know mainly energetic or mainly sexual and mainly sensual you can basically speak all of the
00:21:28.680 blueprints um erotic language essentially and what does kinky mean in this context
00:21:35.440 in the context of spirituality or in the context of um actually being an erotic blueprint
00:21:43.280 wow no i was asking about the erotic blueprint but i want to know about in the context of
00:21:49.260 spirituality i'm not well to be honest um and to be honest kinky in terms of like the erotic 0.50
00:21:59.860 blueprint just means that um you're enjoy taboo so that's kind of your kink and power dynamics 0.96
00:22:06.560 so that's really the thing so with the kinky blueprint you are really either a psychological 0.97
00:22:13.460 kink person where you enjoy power dynamics via um mentally so it's not so much like you know 0.93
00:22:19.700 you're getting flogged or you're you know using props sometimes it's literally just like you know
00:22:25.360 someone is the dominant and the other person's submissive like it doesn't necessarily have to
00:22:30.080 be like the traditional sensual play kinky which is on the part two of the kinky are people who
00:22:37.320 really like um you know being bonded together or who like the spankings or you know anything
00:22:44.560 that has to do with power dynamics but they are really into like the impact play mainly
00:22:50.300 but spirituality it's so interesting because this is not related to jaya when i was reading
00:22:57.860 waking the witch um by pam grossman i believe um the founder of wicca he really like was into um
00:23:05.880 being naked and using different practices that took his like eroticism to the next level as well
00:23:15.320 as his like spirituality to the next level, but he was different erotic practices. I wouldn't say
00:23:20.900 that's kinky, but I can see somebody who believes that that's taboo as that being kinky. We have 1.00
00:23:27.120 energetic blueprint and the energetic blueprint, those who identify with that blueprint, they
00:23:35.420 really love like anticipation and longing. They're really into, you know, savoring the moment
00:23:43.120 because with the energetic if you go too fast for the genitals or go too fast for touch or
00:23:48.060 go too fast innovating their space they kind of shut down and then the the romance is kind of gone
00:23:54.080 so energetic people are very sensitive to energy and so they love the longing and the anticipation
00:24:01.620 because they it's almost like you're entering their world in their energetic bubble if that
00:24:07.500 make sense yes the next blueprint is also going to be sensual so the central blueprint are people
00:24:14.640 who are into aesthetics they love like the candles it has to smell good the temperature has to be
00:24:22.140 right like they have to have like you know their favorite their favorite music playing or they're
00:24:28.620 always having lip gloss with them because they need to make sure like you know their lips feel
00:24:32.420 good and they feel like all everything is working together in harmony in terms of like their
00:24:37.820 the aesthetics around them right so these are people who love to cuddle who love to be close
00:24:43.900 and unfortunately sometimes with the sensual blueprint if something is at a place they also
00:24:51.780 can check out and they sometimes like actually are not able to fully enjoy the experience so
00:24:58.360 sometimes those people who like to think about like what they have to do tomorrow people who 0.94
00:25:02.160 have to like who are having sex they may be like oh shit i have to make sure i pick up my kid 0.96
00:25:06.020 tomorrow at this time like or if something is off like in the actual room like for me 0.94
00:25:11.940 sometimes i have sensual like a sensual um blueprint shadow because i'll never forget when i
00:25:18.420 was with someone and i went inside of their room and the air conditioner was so high it was so cold
00:25:26.520 and some people are like great we can cuddle we're gonna have sex perfect like this is an
00:25:33.260 opportune space when I tell you I curled up in a bubble under the covers and I said 1.00
00:25:42.820 if you want some pussy today I need you to turn this down 0.99
00:25:48.240 and he just couldn't fathom he was like but we're gonna get warm I said no we're not I am going to 1.00
00:25:55.360 stay here until you turn it down and that's part of the sensual status so each blueprint has like
00:26:02.820 different attributes that can contribute to you know seduction but that can also
00:26:08.880 be an obstacle to seduction an obstacle to eroticism and I think if this really relates
00:26:15.300 to a theme of decolonizing love because it shows that like they're all different but like equally
00:26:21.080 valid and equally correct ways of being and doing things interacting with other people and the only
00:26:27.940 thing that makes it like right or wrong is whether it works for you or not and that's the thing that's
00:26:33.760 and that's the thing about jaya that i really appreciate in her training because at the end of
00:26:36.940 the day there's no right and wrong as long as there's consenting adults that agree and notice
00:26:40.740 i did not say two consenting adults i just said consenting adults to acknowledge the poly community
00:26:45.120 because i also believe that's also part of decolonizing love because a lot of times you
00:26:50.340 of love as two people when it could be more than two people at a time or it could be a polydynamic
00:26:57.580 that could be different than any of us have ever anticipated so i also like to bring that into the
00:27:02.960 forefront as well yeah that it's not just one way or any one way i mean right we've talked about this
00:27:12.780 you know before this interview that like i i'm happily monogamous but that doesn't mean that
00:27:17.980 i think that everyone has to be or should be or that that's going to work for everyone
00:27:22.700 right exactly exactly and i feel like i'm a poly enthusiast so i'm not poly like i'm not
00:27:30.100 poly as a practice but in terms of theory and actual like just loving love i love seeing people
00:27:36.420 who are happy together regardless of what that looks like a lot of people identify with the
00:27:40.740 sexual blueprint because that's how society deems us to be and so sexual the sexual blueprint people 0.51
00:27:47.000 they love genital touch they're the people that they're not too big on foreplay they'll do a few
00:27:52.240 if they like you but automatically they're kind of like yes let's get to it let's jump into it and 0.97
00:27:56.560 get straight to the point and the shadow side in terms of the sexual blueprint is that they
00:28:02.520 miss the journey you know and so that's why sometimes when a lot of people you know get
00:28:08.580 older they have a lot of dysfunction or you know they their libido doesn't become as high
00:28:13.440 sometimes the misconception is oh i can't have sex or oh my sister was ruined no you just have
00:28:20.100 to think of a different route to get to your pleasure than you did before so it's more like
00:28:26.680 you're relearning your body what your body needs in order to get that pleasure that you're looking
00:28:32.460 for because we all deserve pleasure pleasure is our birth right and i feel like that's also part
00:28:37.020 of um um decolonizing love because a lot of us um who are of the african diaspora we're taught
00:28:43.660 the opposite you know so it's like and making sure we empower everyone regardless of what stage
00:28:49.340 they're in regardless of you know like what color they are who they love um whether they're able
00:28:54.660 body or disabled like everybody deserves pleasure and sometimes i could be a little biased with 0.97
00:28:58.760 women because i'm like listen we also deserve pleasure so try not to internalize shame because 1.00
00:29:03.720 we are born with a clitoris the clitoris was designed for pleasure it is one of the like 0.98
00:29:09.840 organs that is designed for like us to be stimulated and that is how so many different 0.95
00:29:15.180 women like orgasm so yeah like it i feel like our genitals i feel like pleasure and sex is a great 0.99
00:29:23.300 thing but we have to think beyond the genitals for like the satisfaction the the release that 0.97
00:29:30.220 sometimes we're looking for you know like when it comes to sex you said try not to internalize 0.97
00:29:36.760 shame can you speak more on that for me and for our listeners sure so some of the women that spoke
00:29:42.540 to me just some friends also some people that reached out to me on social media um sometimes
00:29:47.280 you know they feel shame about like you know their sexual experiences or that they like sex so much
00:29:51.800 or that, you know, they've encountered an STD or STI.
00:29:56.780 And I always like to tell people, like, it's hard.
00:30:00.700 And of course, you're going to feel it.
00:30:02.120 But in terms of internalizing, like, I should not feel this way because I grew up this way.
00:30:07.420 Or as a woman, I should not have to feel X, Y, and Z.
00:30:11.080 It's like, the more we do our best not to internalize shame, acknowledge it, but not internalize it,
00:30:15.920 I feel like that also is going to access us to more pleasure, even outside the bedroom,
00:30:20.220 just enjoying like life as a whole because pleasure i feel like also decolonizing love
00:30:25.620 is also like acknowledging that there are other forms of like ways you can show love
00:30:30.140 and that you can experience pleasure and joy if that makes sense yes i'm nodding furiously
00:30:36.360 okay so so yeah and i do my best to like learn because even the fact that you brought up
00:30:44.600 decolonizing love i've never heard of that term until you brought it to my attention i'm not
00:30:49.060 gonna lie um a writer and activist but well author and activist by the name of um juno diaz
00:30:55.060 actually coined the term research and i said oh okay decolonizing love according to um juno diaz
00:31:07.200 is the only kind of love that could liberate from that horrible legacy of colonial violence
00:31:14.160 What that means to me is learning how to love people's character as opposed to the bodies they were born with, who they choose to love, and even me even acknowledging, like, even loving and getting to know them despite maybe, like, their neurocapacities.
00:31:38.160 capacities and the reason why I say that's because there's a podcast I listen to called
00:31:44.060 why won't you date me by Nicole Byer I actually really enjoy her podcast and when the topic of
00:31:52.280 decolonizing love actually came about um I automatically thought about her podcast and said
00:31:58.380 wow this is what she's doing because she has so many different types of episodes one actually has
00:32:02.220 to do with neurodiversity and I was like wow that's a very like beautiful way of acknowledging
00:32:07.220 people who um you know have disabilities like who have like who or who are like on the spectrum
00:32:13.840 i was like wow like that's a great way to put it and i didn't even know like that was like a term
00:32:18.820 or she even talks about you know how she's open to love regardless if it's a woman
00:32:23.340 well female bodied woman bodied or trans like she's open to it and i was like wow like her
00:32:29.380 podcast i don't know if she did that on purpose but it's literally the perfect one of the like
00:32:34.220 perfect examples of like decolonizing love because it's like we're literally hearing how she's
00:32:39.040 breaking down what she's learned and you know even bringing on people who have different viewpoints
00:32:44.500 and just share her sharing her vulnerable truths um in terms of even being um you know a full-figured
00:32:51.380 woman and dating because even decolonizing love has to do with also loving people who do not fit
00:32:56.080 the stereotype of beauty being like skinny or slim so yeah i feel like it it means like learning
00:33:02.600 tell the person's character, regardless of how they were born and who they love.
00:33:08.580 And you wrote, I'm just going to read it exactly because I want to say exactly how you said it,
00:33:14.640 that you're reading about the connection between pleasure, sexuality, feminism, and women of the
00:33:21.380 African diaspora, along with redefining what self-pleasure means to her beyond traditional
00:33:27.920 masturbation practices. So what have you learned? What have you learned about the connection between
00:33:34.340 pleasure and sexuality and feminism and women of the African diaspora?
00:33:41.220 That is a great question. So I feel like I'm going to have a lot of references
00:33:44.680 in this podcast. Good. We love references. Because I'm such like, I try my best to
00:33:52.020 continuously be a student um so over the summer i read a book called um pussy prayers by black 0.95
00:34:00.020 girl bliss and literally it's called sacred and sensual rituals for wild women of color 0.99
00:34:05.620 can you say the name of it again sure um pussy prayers by black girl bliss 0.99
00:34:11.860 pussy prayers got it and so basically like a lot of the things that she talked about 0.99
00:34:19.600 especially in the beginning had to do with how like black women um were raised and how it affects 0.98
00:34:27.280 us as it affects us growing into like our femininity and growing into like who we are as
00:34:33.520 women and i felt very seen because i was like wow like this makes so much sense um in terms of how
00:34:40.640 can you say like for example she in the book she mentioned um in the book she mentioned not being
00:34:49.320 able to fully like disclose to her doctor like if she was having sex because her mom was in the
00:34:54.380 room this is where she was a minor and this is not just you know of course these stories can
00:35:00.360 transcend you know race but what i love is that i do feel like especially in the sex and pleasure
00:35:09.100 industry there can sometimes be more there's less of women of color being represented now there is
00:35:15.260 Like, I feel like there's more of women of color and black men and even just like people of color, period, actually carving a space out for themselves in this industry.
00:35:25.240 But largely, it's been very white. Largely.
00:35:29.600 And so this book was a great, great refresher because it was just like, wow, like I'm being seen, different things that I'm learning about and I've experienced she has talked about.
00:35:38.460 even finding i think it was ebony magazine um when she was a kid she read she was reading about
00:35:44.660 um how she can get an orgasm and one of the techniques was she had to sit under um like a 0.99
00:35:53.500 what is it called like with like the the faucet in like the bathroom like in the tub and it
00:35:59.040 stimulated her getting an orgasm i was like wow like i used to read urban fiction where they had
00:36:03.800 different scenes and i was like wow like let me try this but even on a grander scale um she spoke 0.61
00:36:09.980 about basically when the slaves came over to the americas or even like them getting the process of
00:36:15.480 them getting there a lot of especially black women like we were raped we were our bodies were not 0.99
00:36:20.820 ours and a lot of the times like black women had to disassociate from their bodies in order to 0.58
00:36:25.020 survive and so pleasure was not really um our birthright to begin with it was more so like 0.81
00:36:32.420 we had to survive and so even when I talk to my mom sometimes I'm like mom why did you push so
00:36:38.880 much on like education and career on me as opposed to learning about my body and what that means
00:36:44.500 and she was like because at the end of the day you need to know how to survive and at the end of the
00:36:49.100 day um education and career is going to allow you to get to a different place so i feel like
00:36:57.440 in terms of me being a black woman i'm just speaking for me as chelsea hamlet as a black
00:37:03.460 woman i feel like i'm learning about even just that small like not even a small piece but like
00:37:10.560 the larger piece that a lot of the times like our ancestors were my ancestors were literally
00:37:16.560 we're not allowed to really feel pleasure in the way that we are so liberated now because it was
00:37:22.600 kind of forced and taken from them and in order for them to survive they had to disassociate from
00:37:26.640 their bodies to keep going and so that was passed on and on and on for generation generation
00:37:32.400 in one way or another so i feel like that's a big part of what i learned in terms of
00:37:39.600 why didn't i believe at first that pleasure was my birthright why is it that i felt shame because
00:37:45.280 sex was a big topic for me something I love to go into and I was like wow like it wasn't cultivated
00:37:51.200 to me that this is part of like me being a woman this is part of me being human this is part
00:37:56.720 of something that we all as humans deserve we all deserve pleasure regardless of what we've
00:38:02.960 been through and who we are but especially like my ancestors and a lot of you know people who
00:38:10.520 were brought to this country forcibly a lot of that pleasure was taken away and so i feel like
00:38:16.760 now at the age of you know pleasure politics and we have all these type of you know people like
00:38:22.500 cardi b making the stallion and lizzo like where is this whole body positivity it's whole like you'll
00:38:28.080 like love your bodies and get the pleasure you deserve i feel like it's refreshing because it's
00:38:33.860 like yes like i feel like we are our ancestors while this dream even when it comes to like mental
00:38:38.780 health when it comes to um taking back and acknowledging like our bodies because i feel
00:38:44.920 like because of survival they may not have had that opportunity to do so and the way we're doing
00:38:49.960 it now i thought that was very long-winded so i hope that i stayed no you just can't see me like
00:38:59.640 sitting here and nodding and nodding i i try to keep my mouth shut so that i don't mess up your
00:39:05.880 flow in the recording but yeah no I think that that's so important to talk about because I mean
00:39:12.040 we we've read too that trauma can be passed on in inside the DNA for generations and generations
00:39:20.640 so again I think it's particularly important for people who have been forced to feel unworthy
00:39:28.620 to battle those feelings of unworthiness as much as you can and it's also about learning like where
00:39:37.660 that comes from and i feel like each person is going to give you a different story um because
00:39:42.500 i also want to say not all black not i do not speak for all black people because i do not have
00:39:47.300 experiences that all black people have like yes you know we have interconnections and yes there
00:39:52.340 are things that are similar but every person of color that you talk to regardless if they're
00:39:56.680 non-binary or if they identify as like you know a man or woman like we're all going to basically
00:40:02.360 give you different reiterations of like you know our pleasure why we view you know things the way
00:40:08.060 we do and that also made me think about another quote on decolonizing love from working it out
00:40:17.860 together the the writer's name is Gwendolyn Benaway and she said um decolonial love is actively
00:40:25.140 be creating a space for our histories as indigenous uh racialized survivors of colon of colonization
00:40:32.480 to be acknowledged within our relationships so for me when i read that it was just basically what
00:40:37.260 you're saying now like what you said is yeah like their trauma is the was passed down it's passed
00:40:42.220 down you know via dna and also acknowledging like yes like this is actually something that happened
00:40:47.780 and this could prevent people from feeling worthy because some people like to push like well
00:40:54.340 slavery was so long ago why does it matter now and it's like that's part of colonial love where
00:40:59.540 it's like you're not acknowledging people's experiences and histories as like indigenous
00:41:04.140 people or people of color because you know historically like we've been taught not to
00:41:09.840 love ourselves so when i read that it really resonated with me because it's basically what
00:41:15.440 the conversation we're having now yeah we're not in like a romantic relationship but even in you
00:41:21.740 hearing what i'm saying in terms of like what i've learned about the connections between um you know
00:41:29.160 the past and to me now and even me acknowledging like hey like everybody's experience is different
00:41:33.940 like this is all part of like decolonizing um love interpersonal relationships all that stuff
00:41:40.880 because one thing i do agree with um with the activists like um juno tears is that we also
00:41:47.720 have to decolonize ourselves it's not just about love like it yes it is about love but it's also
00:41:54.720 about like what we the the colonization we bring to the table based off of you know how we grew up
00:42:00.920 and the things that we internalize not knowing that it was colonization yeah that that's why i
00:42:06.980 wanted to talk about this like not just because of inbox proximity to valentine's day but because
00:42:12.640 this is the time of year that I think like you take a look at the status quo you take a look at
00:42:17.960 how things go and you ask really hard questions about your perception of not just like yourself
00:42:23.740 but how the world is and how the world works and and it's about not taking anything for granted
00:42:28.880 and I think creating a space where people can talk about their histories without
00:42:34.340 um like being vulnerable but without any shame is yes part of my action that i can do to
00:42:42.660 decolonize our ideas about love just to open up a space to listen to somebody talk right exactly
00:42:50.140 and and again like i do feel like that connects to the definition um that wenderling gave
00:42:56.460 is creating that space for you know our histories as and she put indigenous because she's um
00:43:02.780 indigenous but i'm gonna add indigenous and people of color um because we are survivors
00:43:08.340 of colonization to acknowledge like within our relationships like we're survivors of like people
00:43:13.540 who have historically like been you know brutalized who historically have been undermined
00:43:19.340 system that there's things systematically have been put in place to give us barriers to get to
00:43:26.860 where we want to go and just having that space to be acknowledged like of our histories but
00:43:32.660 also what's happening now i feel like it's also part of the decolonizing love and and do you think
00:43:39.420 that this intersects with your uh orisha devoteeism and if so how and if not why not
00:43:47.000 um i i believe it is because at the end of the day um everything is energy
00:43:57.000 at the end of the day and I feel like the energy you put out you'll get back and that's even not
00:44:03.680 even just me as a devotee but just I feel like that was just that's just me in general um but I
00:44:10.120 feel like it it intertwines with me being devotee because I also have to acknowledge my privileges
00:44:17.360 um being um in like a more western culture and even the fact that as I said earlier like I'm
00:44:26.020 reading I'm Waking the Witch by Pam Grossman I love that I'm reading that but I also know that
00:44:30.700 that's separate from my spiritual practice to a degree because there's two different perspectives
00:44:38.100 on the witch and so I have to literally like make sure I'm creating space like when I talk to my
00:44:43.980 like hey um this this is what I've read and also be open to when she says yes and this is how it's
00:44:53.820 also viewed when it comes to um you know if I to be honest I'm learning to just enjoy the ride
00:45:01.040 that is my honest answer yeah because um I had a conversation with my godmother
00:45:08.840 and she was saying you know so many people want to be priestess and priests but a devotee is okay
00:45:15.640 too um because the thing about being a priest or priestess that I feel like um is not talked about
00:45:23.520 enough is that that's a responsibility because you're dealing with someone else's spiritual
00:45:28.360 journey on top of yours. I don't know if I'm ready for that. Like, I don't know if I'm ready
00:45:35.400 to, no, scratch that. I am not ready. I'm not. And I, and so that's why I'm not sure I want to
00:45:45.440 go with it because I know I'm so new that I feel like projecting a goal on something that's so
00:45:54.320 um that's I feel projecting the goal would make it more like a job or more like something to do
00:46:03.840 like career-wise or it's just a little bit too matter of fact for me like there does need to
00:46:10.820 be some flow in my life and I feel like you know my faith gives me a certain flow where
00:46:16.120 I don't have to have a goal in order to enjoy myself and to feel fulfilled yeah and I think
00:46:23.080 you've said earlier and this is definitely how I approach things that just a forever student
00:46:27.900 just the eternal student right and if you know if if I'm supposed to be a priestess then I hope
00:46:35.540 I welcome it and I'm able to, you know, be as great of a godmother as the one I have.
00:46:43.580 Based on everything that I've ever read on the subject, if you're meant to be a priestess, they will let you know.
00:46:49.480 There will be no uncertain terms about it.
00:46:52.620 That's true.
00:46:53.360 But also you don't have to accept it because even before I got into it as much as I did, I don't know if you experienced this,
00:46:59.960 But once you acknowledge that, you know, your faith was your faith, random people started kind of coming and you started having random conversations in places like Starbucks or, or like, you know, Panera Bread and you just talk.
00:47:14.680 And there was a woman that I met and she was like, listen, like not every, some people, yes, it comes out that they're supposed to be, you know, priest to priestesses, but they decline it because you're basically doing a PhD without getting a degree.
00:47:26.800 Mm hmm.
00:47:28.360 Mm hmm.
00:47:29.960 And I said, oh, that makes sense.
00:47:33.360 Yeah, but definitely decolonial love and devoteeism is consensual, if nothing else, right?
00:47:42.380 Oh, yes.
00:47:43.120 Yes, it is.
00:47:43.720 Because they can tell you all day, you're not supposed to do this.
00:47:47.660 You know, like you may get a reading and the reading may say, oh, you know, this is what you're supposed to do.
00:47:52.580 You don't have to do it because we all still have free will.
00:47:55.120 but also and you choosing not to do it then you also have to be like okay let the chips fall where
00:48:01.920 they may i would i guess my biggest thing that i would say um and that i'm also actively learning
00:48:10.840 is be your biggest advocate and
00:48:16.840 that and the reason being is because things may happen and the people that you're used to lean on
00:48:27.720 may not always be there to advocate for you and it's not that they don't love you any less it's
00:48:34.100 not that they're too busy for you it's just that life happens and they need to advocate for
00:48:38.800 themselves so just like how you may advocate for yourself in the boardroom or in the community
00:48:44.100 meaning, or even at your son's or daughter's school or your child's school. You got to make
00:48:51.960 sure that you also are advocate for yourself in terms of your desires being met, your needs being
00:48:57.040 met, and that your boundaries are being respected because you are your biggest advocate regardless
00:49:02.600 of what happens. And pleasure is your birthright. Yes, even if it doesn't feel like it, it is. And
00:49:13.220 I would also encourage people to look more into books that resonate with them and podcasts that
00:49:19.360 resonate with them that allows them to get more connected with their pleasure and what that means
00:49:23.800 to them because it's always great to figure out what you like and what you don't like sexually
00:49:30.200 and even beyond sex because it allows you to just be more in tune with who you are and gives a
00:49:36.180 different definition and meaning to self-love thank you so much chelsea your perspective has
00:49:44.180 been enlightening and thrilling and i hope that we can have you back on the show again
00:49:50.460 to talk about this some more yes i would i would love that 100 let me know so if our listeners want
00:50:00.460 to read your blog or reach out to you or maybe get some of your erotic blueprint coaching how
00:50:05.880 can they get in touch with you so you can follow me on instagram and twitter at chelsea a hamlet
00:50:13.500 also i'm chelsea a hamlet and we'll link you but get that extra a in there everybody chelsea
00:50:21.240 a hamlet yeah thank you yes because some people miss the a yes thank you um i'm currently i'm
00:50:29.280 not taking any new clients right now, but you can sign up on ChelseaAHamlet.com for
00:50:37.140 my newsletter so that when I do start opening up different slots, you'll be able to be the
00:50:42.780 first one to know.
00:50:44.240 And you can also send me an email at ChelseaAHamlet at gmail.com.
00:50:48.240 Amazing.
00:50:49.060 Any parting words for our listeners?
00:50:54.800 Parting words.
00:50:55.700 love yourself even when it's hard.
00:51:00.780 Even when it's hard.
00:51:03.380 Oh, thank you so much.
00:51:05.880 You're very welcome. And thanks again for having me and for creating the space
00:51:09.260 for all of us.
00:51:12.480 The space is yours now. So please, if you have any ideas that you need to talk about,
00:51:17.000 you let me know and we'll get you right back on the show.
00:51:20.640 We're collecting perspectives one at a time.
00:51:23.080 um and this i'm so happy to add your voice to the to the choir here yes thank you this is my
00:51:29.660 my second podcast i've ever done so thank you because this is still new for me and i'm happy
00:51:35.480 that you made me comfortable and really i feel honored that you asked me to do this so thanks
00:51:40.320 well i feel honored that you said yes and that you came and just gave your time to me and to
00:51:46.700 our listeners who are listening to this right now and just feeling more themselves and more worthy
00:51:52.620 of love and of pleasure and you did that for them so thanks again awesome so this in bulk we
00:52:00.660 encourage you to think about how we can all decolonize our thinking whether we are the
00:52:05.280 victims of colonialism or the benefactors it is a system that requires deconstruction as always we
00:52:12.140 start with ourselves decolonizing how we love ourselves and how we treat other people we begin
00:52:17.160 to understand that we are worthy of love and that pleasure is our birthright and carry always the 0.99
00:52:22.900 immortal words of jungle pussy it's a full-time job fucking loving yourself so put as much every 0.99
00:52:28.720 day as you can into that job fucking loving yourself if you love valentine's day then i 1.00
00:52:34.480 don't want to take that away from you you go glenn coco but bring your in bulk spirit of 0.99
00:52:39.160 critical awareness with you happy in bulk witches we love you it's a full-time job 0.99
00:52:44.240 fucking loving yourself it's a full-time job fucking loving yourself it's a full-time job 1.00
00:52:49.340 fucking loving yourself it's a full-time job you must be a witch 1.00