00:05:06.220there is a connection between him and the club kids because there was this extreme shock value
00:05:10.560there was this kind of you know the rules are being rewritten for us in this moment and it's
00:05:18.040bizarre and insane and beautiful and creepy and possibly criminal and you know all of that's okay
00:05:24.960you know I think some of them did go to jail so that part's not okay but in general that there
00:05:31.840was this expansion that came out of actually those club kids were a little older I mean a
00:05:37.080little younger than me so I was kind of on the scene before that you know that was sort of late
00:05:41.80080s and I think I first started clubbing and I'm gonna tell everybody how old I am probably I was
00:05:47.200sneaking in when I was about 15 16 so like 85 you know so there was a lot of that going on
00:05:55.020listeners I think Lilith is just laughing at my face
00:05:59.440I had I had no idea that this is like part of your story and and like I say this is really part
00:06:07.660of my story too like I wasn't there but the influence is like very how I dressed how I
00:06:13.500behaved how I thought about like being a quote-unquote weirdo and how that became like a
00:06:19.060compliment to me instead of an insult and I was really able to like wear weirdness as an armor
00:06:25.440um so I'm just like I had no idea this was part of your story so I'm like shaking with excitement
00:06:31.980yeah definitely I got up to some stuff as a kid you know like I started out doing Broadway which
00:06:39.340is so funny because like three of the kids that I was on Broadway with are now like epic Grammy
00:06:44.260winners eagle-eyed cherry i had a crush on him when i was 12 and he was 14 and he was like you're
00:06:50.000too young lilith and i was like that's it i'm never liking anybody who doesn't like me first
00:06:55.280you know was crying and whatnot you know so that deal and then i had the club kid moment and then
00:07:01.800i was telling another friend of mine that i was there at like those beginning rap battles because
00:07:06.180i grew up in brooklyn so those beginning rap battles with run dmc and like we used to cut
00:07:11.080Fresh Prince used to come in and Will Smith and we'd make fun of him because he was like
00:07:14.900the little kid outsider who wasn't very good you know so it was it was nuts it was wild
00:07:20.900I really have to just like snatch myself back from spending our whole time
00:07:26.940talking about New York and Brooklyn in the in the 80s and the 90s because
00:07:32.740I do want to talk about tarot every which way your newest book one of many I got that same kind
00:07:43.100of excited chills in the introduction you wrote the ancient ways have come home and I just want
00:07:52.740you to like tell me all about that what does that look like to you yeah I mean I practice0.99
00:08:00.860voodoo. I'm a voodoo priestess. So there's a way in which voodoo, we've got like the earliest
00:08:05.140written records of African traditional religions going back about 4,000 years. And there really
00:08:10.760wasn't a break in any of that. There was changes that came through, you know, the history of
00:08:16.300enslaved people and things like that, but that was continuous. But when we look at things like
00:08:21.460tarot and witchcraft, there was a break in that. So, so much of what people are doing now is really
00:08:28.720either information that was lost to us or stuff that they're trying to recreate from these lost
00:08:33.960records. So I think there's a lot of recovery that's been happening. And even when you look
00:08:39.240at the scholarship from 30 or 40 years ago, you know, so much of that, they were like, oh, we
00:08:43.980thought this. No, it's not really that way, you know, because that's how scholarship is. You
00:08:47.980discover something else, you find something else, and then you have to sort of amend it and change
00:08:52.600it. So this ancient reclaiming that I think a lot of us are doing when it comes to witchcraft,
00:08:58.680like you just said, you know, this weirdo aesthetic. I did a podcast with Rachel True,
00:09:03.920and she said, we are the weirdos. And I was like, yeah, we are the weirdos.
00:09:10.640It's a motto for so many of us. It's true. That was like a rallying cry for us, you know? So,
00:09:17.940And I think that unfortunately what happened was a lot of the people that were weirdos back, you know, hundreds of years ago didn't survive. They were persecuted even for the littlest kinds of magic and things like that, you know.
00:09:30.980So I think it's beautiful that people can sort of have this, you know, almost a renaissance of these kinds of witchy thoughts and feelings and knowledge and embrace that, you know, I was a nanny for years and one of the moms sent me a message and she's like, well, little Sadie thinks she's a witch and all the kids do now.
00:09:51.960And I was like, that's great. I always knew she was a witch. I knew she was a witch when I told
00:09:57.120her about fairies when she was three years old. And I said, some people don't believe. And she
00:10:00.960said, I do. So, you know, there's that thing where it's okay now for them to say, yes, I believe in
00:10:08.060fairies and I believe in witches and I'm going to do things to make my life more positive and more
00:10:15.620successful. And I think that's an empowerment tool that I'm so happy the younger generation
00:10:20.640can have you know because for us it was it was hard it was hard yeah the the sort of origins of
00:10:28.980the missing witches project were to just like try to research and figure out what it even means to
00:10:35.880be a witch you know um I was speaking to Lakeisha Harris of Black Witch University and I told her
00:10:43.680like studying African traditional religion for me obviously I'm not doing it so I can practice it
00:10:49.660But for me, this study like reveals the lie of white supremacy. You know, I hadn't even heard the word Arisha until maybe 10 years ago, which is kind of ridiculous. Right. So I want to know about why. First of all, what does the word witch mean to you? What does it mean to be a witch?0.88
00:11:13.820oh that's a big question okay i mean i think there's a harmony with nature i mean again i i
00:11:22.580think if there's anything that i get upset about these days is when people are running around you
00:11:27.200know commanding nature or commanding you know deity i'm like that's just so arrogant to me you
00:11:33.900know it's really about living in harmony living in symbiosis with nature and divinity and
00:11:40.700recognizing it wherever you see it it might be in the face of a two-year-old child it might be
00:11:45.480in a tree or a flower or something like that like that we can recognize the sacred all around us and
00:11:52.480and as I said before it's about using that to be your best self you know we're not necessarily
00:11:57.960all going to get to be you know king or you know the president of some giant corporation because
00:12:04.200there's only so many of those jobs, but you can be your best self and you can be the most effective,
00:12:11.960happy, productive self that you can be. And it's about using the tools you have at your disposal
00:12:17.840to put yourself in that place. So that to me, I think is definitely a thing about that. I think
00:12:24.780is the definition of witches. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's in there, but it's such a, it's such a
00:12:30.320complicated thing you know writing the tarot every witch way I was like what kind of witches are
00:12:34.960there there's chaos witches and kitchen witches and hedge witches and you know so many different
00:12:39.940kinds of witches and how they each look at the world and interact with the world is slightly
00:12:45.580different and each one of them is valid and I salute that yeah and that really comes through
00:12:51.960in your work like you your work covers Celtic and Afro-Caribbean and Indigenous American and
00:12:58.160I'm wondering, like, how you gave yourself permission to cast such a wide net.
00:13:06.920Well, I have, you know, indigenous ancestry.
00:13:22.760So I guess there's some Irish in there as well.
00:13:24.520So I think that, you know, for me, it was really just about an exploration of my ancestral heritage and things that I'd learned. And then also things that had been stolen from me, you know, like my paternal grandmother died when I was very little, you know, my mom has stories of me, sort of getting me out of the way while people are rushing towards the coffin, throwing themselves on it and weeping, you know, so I don't remember her at all.
00:13:51.840I remember the stories and things like that. But one of my aunts came by for the feast day that we
00:13:58.440did. And she said to me, this is exactly like, this recipe is exactly like your great grandma
00:14:03.020used to make. And I was like, that's beautiful. I never met this woman. I didn't have her recipe
00:14:07.980book, but somehow through that connection and through that honoring, the right way to make
00:14:13.460that was brought back to me. And it was so joyous for me to hear my aunt say that.
00:14:19.020and i everything that i've read that you've done um they it includes recipes and i i also note your
00:14:29.660use of the word herstory and i believe it's in orisha's goddesses and voodoo queens where you
00:14:37.020wrote modern women seriously need ways to connect with and understand their ancestral warrior
00:14:44.320strength and power and I'm wondering like since recipes are often sort of coded as women's work0.76
00:14:52.060are are those recipes that you either inherited or concocted like part of that ancestral power
00:15:00.640yeah definitely you know like so many of us I grew up in the kitchen learning how to cook you know
00:15:07.500like I would climb up on the counter and help my grandmother make stuff and you know it's funny my
00:15:12.800sister wasn't allowed because she refused to wash her hands. So to this day, she doesn't really
00:15:18.540which I think is hilarious, but that's so my sister, if you know her, but, um, just, just
00:15:25.220this way of, of, it's something that, you know, that we think of, you know, famous chefs as men,
00:15:30.260but we think of like cooking for the family, cooking for home, cooking for holidays. We think
00:15:35.140of that as traditionally feminine work, you know? So this is, I think an area that we were allowed
00:15:40.640to shine and allowed to flourish and allowed to, I mean, how many people's grandmothers
00:15:45.840were like, get out of my kitchen, you know, with the wooden spoon yelling at them, you1.00
00:15:49.380know, so there's this kind of place that that was the domain for the sacred feminine.1.00
00:15:55.440And that was the way we could nourish our family.1.00
00:15:58.300That was a way we could heal our family.
00:16:00.200You know, so many of those things and those recipes are so cherished.
00:16:04.300so uh i did my best to put all the recipes i had pretty much in my in my books um you know i tell
00:16:12.520my daughter i'm like well i didn't write them down for you but they're in the books you can
00:16:15.900find them and all of that stuff you know but they're all slightly different because there
00:16:19.760is that again you know whatever you make will taste really good and it'll be fantastic but
00:16:24.180it's not exactly the same because they're my recipes and that's how it is but yeah i think
00:16:32.300i i think that is a way we can access the divine feminine and i've always felt that
00:16:37.160i've definitely always felt that and i've also always felt this power of women you know
00:16:42.000people ask me well you call yourself lilith you know like they make this noise
00:16:46.940that's the name my parents gave me you can take it up with them you know i probably wouldn't have
00:16:55.660chose it but i think i came in with this knowledge of the divine feminine we look at lilith right
00:17:01.680that goes back thousands and thousands of years so we we've got this sacred person that was
00:17:07.460demonized that was everybody every so much of her stuff was destroyed and everything
00:17:12.340you know so I grew up knowing that she had this power and it was not something that a lot of
00:17:18.200people were going to be happy about and did did they ever talk to you about why I mean it's not
00:17:23.660a common name really what why did they choose this for you I mean they knew the goddess lore
00:17:28.680And they were sort of, you know, they never had any sort of formalized witchy training, you know, but they were very eclectic.
00:17:35.360I was actually named after the movie with Gene Seberg and introducing Warren Beatty.
00:17:48.120She's like a mental patient who's like in love with everybody, you know, sort of capitalizes on that sexualized feminine, but not necessarily in a bad way either.
00:17:58.280you know yes the movie's not great in the end result but it's interesting but it is relatable
00:18:04.520to be like weird and crazy and in love with everybody i feel like yes yes yes yes and wanting
00:18:10.740everybody to be in love with her and the whole thing you know so which probably tells you more
00:18:15.320about my parents than they'd be happy about but you know if they listen to it they're you know
00:18:19.720whatever. So what drew you to like start examining or practicing the the witchy arts? I know that0.68
00:18:29.420your education is in film and in anthropology. Why the the focus on witchy arts? I think I always
00:18:38.660was a witch. I had a lot of trauma growing up. A lot of really bad things happened to me and I think
00:18:43.600you know the same way they have certain cultures that bind their feet to turn the foot into a
00:18:48.440different shape. I think having that early childhood trauma sort of changed my brain and
00:18:54.620my outlook on the world. So it was very important to learn magical ways to keep safe, magical ways
00:19:00.420to stay protected, magical ways to figure out what was happening around me. You know, I'm not
00:19:06.540tall. I'm 5'3 on a good day. I think I may be shrinking. But, you know, so I'm not this looming
00:19:12.980giant Amazon warrior presence I just came back from Dahomey and or in Benin and I saw the Amazon
00:19:19.960warrior statue that is huge and everybody's you know do I go yay the chant like in the warrior
00:19:26.020it's so beautiful so beautiful but no that's not the body I got you know I got this little body so
00:19:33.720I had and I had a lot of difficulties so I had to really learn how to make my magic work if I wanted
00:19:39.840to survive and even remotely thrive. So that's where it was with that. I don't think it was a
00:19:45.740choice, but I certainly grew up with... I do have a sibling, but she's seven years younger. So those
00:19:53.040early years were really just me there by myself. I watched a lot of TV. That's how I ended up being
00:19:58.900a film person. And I would watch Bewitched and I'd watch I Dream of Jeannie. And I would be like,
00:20:04.900oh look here we go again here's these women that are in lesser roles than their husband or the1.00
00:20:10.540society around them but they have their own special magic and they can get over on people0.99
00:20:15.720in the in the best way possible you know by the end of the episode everybody was happy it didn't
00:20:19.940matter what genie or samantha did everybody was happy and you know yay you know that's so i was
00:20:27.020like okay we're gonna figure out how to do that and how did tarot work its way into your your
00:20:33.580practice? My mother had, if she still has it, actually, I made her find it the other day.
00:20:38.980She had a first edition copy of the Toph book, the hardcover. And I always loved books. I started
00:20:48.140again, I was left alone a lot of the time, not necessarily physically, but the adults were doing
00:20:53.500something else. They weren't playing with me. I had to be quiet. So it was like, okay, what can
00:20:57.420I do? Here's all these beautiful books. And I was like, can I have that beautiful book? And they
00:21:02.300told me, well, you have to be able to read it. So when I was three years old, I was like, give me
00:21:05.940the book. So at that point I was already reading. So by the time I was like seven or eight, I was
00:21:12.420like, oh, this tarot book is beautiful, man. Those, you know, those cards, those Toth cards are so
00:21:18.600beautiful. And it has the original plates with like paper in it and stuff. And I was like,
00:21:23.040ooh. So it was just so exciting to me, just the magic. And even the way it's written, you know,
00:21:29.200is so magical. It sounds like an incantation. You know, that was one of Crowley's things that
00:21:33.800the words themselves have to have magic. So just looking at it, I was like, Oh, this is beautiful.
00:21:39.020You know, so she wouldn't give me the book. She still won't give me the book. She still has it.
00:21:43.140But when I was probably about 12 or 13, she got me the Rider Waite Smith deck. And I started just
00:21:51.840reading with that. And I read about everything, you know, I get, I don't know if I want to say
00:21:56.440obsessed, but I get fixated on things. So I would do a reading for, oh, okay, you know, and I didn't
00:22:02.760have an easy time in high school, either people hated me. So I would be like, okay, you know,
00:22:06.980who's lying about me, who's stabbing me in the back, who's trying to get with my boyfriend,
00:22:11.700all of those things, you know, so I would just do readings about that over and over again. And then
00:22:17.100when I got older, I would do readings for anybody who would let me, you know, do you want a reading,
00:22:21.960you want a reading, you know, so that just sort of blossomed. And yeah, you know, it's a really
00:22:28.560good tool. I like it. I love the imagery. I love the way it frames things, not just for me, but
00:22:34.600whoever might be coming to you for a reading. It's got, you know, if you have a good deck, it's got
00:22:40.200imagery that's easily relatable. And hopefully you understand it. And hopefully whoever's coming
00:22:45.140for the reading also understands it, or at least you can explain it to them in some way.
00:22:50.180yeah um there's so much in tarot every which way um to help me focus um i have been asking
00:22:59.840some tarot readers um this year because 2025 if you subscribe to this notion each year has
00:23:07.460a tarot card that's you know sort of applied to it and next year is the hermit so i'm going to
00:23:15.040read a couple sentences from Tarot Every Witch Way from chapter 11, The Hermit, by Lilith Dorsey.
00:23:24.200Go pick it up right now. The Hermit urges us to be mindful. It is about stilling our thoughts
00:23:32.180and earthly cares and submitting to the silence. Here are precious moments saluting both the breath
00:23:41.360and the body so they may tell us what we need. Instead of looking to external sources of help,
00:23:50.260we turn our attention inward to find solutions. Tell me about how you think this hermit energy0.98
00:23:59.840might manifest in 2025 if indeed next year is the year of the hermit. What's that going to look like
00:24:06.840or feel. First, that was some good words. I don't ever remember what I say. If you had told me
00:24:12.540someone else wrote that, I would have been like, yeah, that's intense. You're like, damn, I wrote0.99
00:24:17.220that? Nice, nice, nice. You did. You wrote that. Wow, okay. But yeah, I think that, yeah, I mean,0.99
00:24:27.120I'm not one for predictions or anything like that, but I think whatever we're stuck with,
00:24:32.880whatever we're stuck with, the state of the planet, the state of the United States government
00:24:38.820and other governments that are having big elections and turmoil and changes this year,
00:24:44.080whatever we're stuck with, we're going to have to be very mindful and very purposeful, right?
00:24:52.280Like what I've been getting a lot lately from people is this sort of energy of the snake. And
00:24:58.640And when you think about the snake, like I've had snakes lots of times and I just came back
00:25:03.680for, I said, I was in Benin and I went to the temple of pythons.
00:25:06.860Basically those snakes in the temple of pythons just sit there in a lump most of the time.
00:25:11.360Like if you have a snake, it just sits there.
00:25:32.180And I think that's what we're going to have to be doing.
00:25:34.260We're going to have to make sure our own stuff is OK.
00:25:37.880And whatever moves or connections or things like that that we make in the outer world,
00:25:42.760it's going to have to be as purposeful as possible because we're not going to have the
00:25:47.240luxury of having everything we want or being able to do everything that we want, no matter
00:25:52.780who, you know, gets elected or no matter who gets a storm or who doesn't get a storm, everything is
00:25:58.840going to have to be very calculated and very purposeful. And I think that's how the hermit0.83
00:26:03.360energy is going to come through. I really do. For people who are maybe struggling to find their1.00
00:26:09.740purpose, I find you to be quite a purposeful human. And so how do you think that that hermit0.76
00:26:16.200energy of conservation can help people find their purpose uh my godmother my santeria godmother
00:26:24.080she's no longer with us unfortunately but she used to say what's your next right action and
00:26:32.040one of my friends was calling it the new nra next right action but okay maybe you can't figure oh
00:26:39.620okay maybe you want to write a book or maybe you want to open a store or maybe whatever you know
00:26:44.460That's a huge task. But what's the first right thing you need to do in order to do that? Maybe you need to do the laundry in order to do that. Maybe you need to make sure the dishes are done in the sink because that is going to be taking away from your energy, your thought process, your calm, your togetherness.
00:27:03.640So even if you can't think of the 211 billion things you need to do to get where you want to be, what's the one thing you can do right now that you know is the right thing that will keep you moving forward on your path towards the right thing to do?
00:27:15.980that's just such a relief to hear for me and for i think so many of our listeners that
00:27:23.080we've got this big global picture of everything that needs to happen and everything that needs
00:27:28.780to happen and all of the million things that need to happen but if we can sort of conjure
00:27:33.280this hermit energy into focusing on the next right action the new nra yeah then it gets
00:27:40.860It sort of eliminates some of that, like frantic, frenetic, I don't know the word I'm looking for, so I'm just going to make sounds.
00:27:50.040I mean, I think so many of us get in that anxiety moment or end up spinning our wheels, right, literally, and not knowing which way to go or what to do, you know.
00:27:59.200And that's where the mindfulness comes in, you know.
00:28:02.300I was not a big believer in mindfulness or meditation or anything like that.
00:28:23.980You know, so taking it back to that and that energy of just being mindful and trying to
00:28:30.440stay in your body, trying to stay present and figure out in a practical way, what's
00:28:35.060the next steps for you to do will get you where you need to go.
00:28:38.620you said you're not you're not a big believer in um and I've been thinking so much about belief
00:28:45.160lately you know I was raised in the church but I couldn't I just couldn't like make myself believe
00:28:50.080in in what they were telling me and I think it was like the philosopher Ortega claimed that our
00:28:56.580beliefs choose us that we don't choose them what what do you believe I know that's an easy question
00:29:03.820No, it's fine. I certainly believe in the divine feminine. Like I said, I was named Lilith. So that sort of started me out on the right direction. You're talking about, you know, being in that kind of Christian background. And even though my family wasn't Christian, they sent me to Lutheran school. And I was, I think I must have been in kindergarten. I was four years old and they had the nativity play and they chose me to be the Virgin Mary. So I was very serious. I was like, you know, I come from a long line of theater people. I was like, okay, we're going to do this.
00:29:33.460you're going to be up there on stage. And the thing went on forever. You know, sometimes those
00:29:37.260things go on forever and you just want to punch yourself in the face. But I was going to be the
00:29:41.020Virgin Mary four years old. They gave me a real baby. And even at this point, I'm like, who were
00:29:47.620these people that gave me a real baby at four years old to sit up on the stage for two hours?
00:29:54.100So I thought my job was to just make sure this baby was happy. And the baby was quiet the whole
00:29:59.360time like I was just sort of like humming to it and patting it it's like a Christmas miracle that
00:30:05.200that I know like divine I was like oh yes I'm I'm I'm the divine feminine here we are here's my baby
00:30:12.320it's Jesus you know went on and on like okay but that was the gig right you got to sit there and
00:30:19.260you got to do that you know so I think that I certainly believe in the divine feminine there
00:30:24.640is that you mentioned the her story there is so many women that I think came before me that are
00:30:31.920responsible for me being here today you know I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them and I'm so
00:30:37.920grateful and you know just I I try and remember them too you know I've done a lot of interviews
00:30:44.000where people like oh you know at the beginning of the pandemic how do we get through this or how do
00:30:48.180we get through this election or how do we get through whatever you know and I'm like well you
00:30:52.980know when i think about my grandmother she went through the 1918 you know pandemic and she always
00:31:00.060had this story where she had back to cooking she made a four years old she made a whole chicken
00:31:04.420roast chicken for her family because they were all sick and i was like wait a minute that was
00:31:08.620the 1918 pandemic but that was the next right action for her she knew people needed to eat
00:31:13.660she knew they were sick she knew nobody else was gonna cook so she you know she watched how to do
00:31:18.820it. So she did it, you know. And so for me, I think that I believe in the ancestors and the
00:31:24.980power of the ancestors to help me as much as they can. I believe that I also need to help myself as
00:31:31.780much as I can, because, you know, if I don't do it, there's probably not anybody else who's going
00:31:37.220to help me, you know, so not in this world anyway. So I have to take those actions. I have to take
00:31:43.160those steps to make sure I'm doing the right thing, you know, and I'm moving forward in a
00:31:48.780positive way. So I believe that. What else do I believe? I mean, there's not much.
00:31:56.040When my niece was going through her, you know, first moon time, I was supposed to write down
00:32:00.760what does it mean to be a woman for her? And I was like, I don't even know what to tell her.
00:32:05.260I think I wrote down men are more romantic than women because that's what I wished I knew when I
00:32:10.000was 14 you know because being the age I am now so many of them came back to me like I remember you
00:32:16.640by your locker when you were 13 and you looked beautiful and I think about it often and I'm like
00:32:21.420what what are you talking about that's so contrary to what you know we have been sort of socialized
00:32:30.320to believe that women are the are the romantics and men are the practical but you're really
00:32:36.300inverting that like women's work is so practical and men are the romantics tell me more they are
00:32:42.740a lot I mean I think that they're not allowed to show that side they're not allowed to show that0.96
00:32:48.340sort of feeling side you know and I said I was a nanny for years so you know even though I had
00:32:53.800girls at this point now I've raised both boys and girls so and a lot of them so I've seen them go
00:33:00.740through all the things and honestly like you know the boys were trained to be more physical trained
00:33:06.360to be more sports oriented and the women were told to you know have the dolls and stuff like that and
00:33:12.080and have this kind of like home care but honestly if you take a kid and they don't have that
00:33:17.260conditioning they're they're pretty much 50 50 there's boys that like that nurturing aspect and
00:33:22.940that side of things and there's girls that don't you know want to do any of that and really just
00:33:28.680want to get all physical and that kind of stuff. So, you know, I think everything obviously
00:33:33.640gender is more fluid than we we think about it in that way. But I and because of that, I think we
00:33:39.540can all access the divine feminine. I really do. I really do. But I'm so happy to still have those
00:33:45.880kids in my life. So happy to see them growing up, you know, like, some of them are starting high
00:33:51.220school this year. And I'm so proud of them. It's so nice to be able to, you know, I remember you
00:33:56.680when you were six months old and I took care of you, you know, and I knew that you were going to
00:34:01.120be wonderful and I'm watching them be wonderful. And it's just so nice. I know you prefer to use
00:34:07.200a they them pronoun. Is that part of this? Just the upsetting of gender binaries and how you view
00:34:13.120the world? I never felt particularly feminine. I really didn't. I had all those sort of tomboy
00:34:18.700qualities, right? Like that's what they used to call it back in the 70s and the 80s. You know,
00:34:23.100not that I do sports I'm not you know I'm not about that but I always felt more at home in a
00:34:29.260group of guys I still feel more at home in a group of guys you know like that's just even though I do
00:34:35.280like to cook and I like babies I just there's just it I don't know there's something about
00:34:41.260I'm not really one for those things that are traditionally thought of as feminine and I never
00:34:46.980have been i recently did an episode a research episode about alice coltrane um and so i've been
00:34:58.280thinking so much about like the spiritual jazz as like a way that we can talk about witchcraft
00:35:05.580oh i like that yeah that you that you really you have to know you have to know how to play
00:35:11.100your instrument before you can go off before you can improvise yeah and um you wrote it's in your
00:35:20.000like about me section so i don't know if you wrote it or someone wrote it on your behalf but it is
00:35:24.620written um training is vital in any discipline but takes on special significance in a spiritual
00:35:33.360context so please tell me about that special significance and where you see like the
00:35:39.260the intersection of education and intuition in your life, in your work, in your magic.
00:35:46.660Yeah, I'm going to get in trouble for this, but that's okay.
00:43:39.660I'll be free when I get out of this body.
00:43:41.620I'll be free when I can transcend these traumas and terrors that I live in every day.
00:43:47.960And so, yeah, it would include all of that.
00:43:50.860And I don't know what my next book is.
00:43:53.500It's going to be really hard, but I'm always kind of toying with the idea of writing a biography, autobiography, because there's so much, as you said, what I was talking about.
00:44:04.040you know my i have a friend that went no one would read that i was like it's a true story of like0.93
00:44:09.180murder and broadway and voodoo and like someone will buy this like someone i would read the shit
00:44:17.980out of that your friend does not know your audience if they think like yeah i think she0.93
00:44:23.440just hears that a lot so she was like oh nobody wants to read an autobiography i was like
00:44:27.780they'll want to read this thing let me tell you i've i that has now jumped the line for me i
00:44:33.900want you to write a book about sacred dance but i need that autobiography first you're talking
00:44:38.200about working with dr john and you're like i'm like oh we only have two more minutes like
00:44:43.740i need the book i need the book i need the book um someone from the coven has a question so let
00:44:52.580let's sort of half conclude with that if that's cool with you she asks what advice do you have
00:45:00.720for someone who has been very disconnected from their lineage and wants to reconnect especially
00:45:06.860magically but can't really do that through familial ties and don't have the ability to
00:45:14.020go to the area that their their lineage is from how to reconnect magically with familial ties
00:45:21.240that you don't have practical access to well first of all I understand that not having contact or
00:45:27.520connection with, with certain family members. And if they're not good family members, then don't
00:45:32.340have contact with them. I'm never going to tell anybody you have to, or anything like that. Cause
00:45:36.900if somebody is really, you said, I concur. Somebody is really shitty. They're really0.99
00:45:40.460shitty. Don't, don't have God damn it. But I think there's a way, you know, like I have a1.00
00:45:47.560ex-partner who was adopted, but he knew he was, you know, German. So what I tell people to do
00:45:54.120when they're adopted and they're connecting with their lineages think about the common names think
00:45:58.800about the most popular names for those kinds of heritage groups get out your dowsing rods get out
00:46:04.360your tarot cards I have a really good yes no in the tarot cards if you use a pendulum for yes no
00:46:09.220do that and be like you know my father's parents were named John and Mary right like if I was going
00:46:14.260to start with two of the most normal names ever I would add John and Mary on the list you know
00:46:18.800So start with those common names. See if you get a yes. If you get a yes, then take that name, write it down, put it on your ancestor altar and use your, that's where you can use your intuition. You know, oh, okay, I think they might like pink roses. If you put the pink rose on and it falls off, then they didn't like it. You know, if you put the pink rose on and it stays for a week and it's beautiful and fresh and fragrant, you could smell it all through the house. They really liked that. And maybe you should keep giving them roses, you know.
00:46:46.660so things like that just go with what you do know expand on it expand on it expand on it
00:46:53.280until it gets better and that's that spiritual jazz go with what you know and then expand on it
00:46:59.680right yeah yeah yeah thank you so much Lilith this has been uh an appetizer like now that you've
00:47:08.080talked about writing an autobiography I'm like okay I can relax I don't have to ask all of the
00:47:14.360thousand more questions that are running through my head because you are going to write them down
00:47:18.780for me but in the meantime the newest book is tarot every which way you have a number of books
00:47:27.020that people can support you by purchasing we love book royalties send them our way um how else can
00:47:33.760our listeners reach out to you support you follow you yeah sure um my website is lilith dorsey.com
00:47:41.780I'm on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, X, whatever that is now.
00:47:48.220You know, I have a blog, Voodoo Universe, which is the largest voodoo blog in the world.
00:47:53.720We've been going for, I think, 12 or 13 years.0.99
00:48:08.880I'm doing lots of in-person appearances coming up the next few months, obviously here in New Orleans, but I'm also going to Pittsburgh and Ohio and back home to New York City.