Missing Witches - WF Osunyoyin (& Chelsea)： Ifa Is The Wisdom, Ifa Is The Word, Ifa Is Life

00:00:00.000 If you want to support the Missing Witches Project, find out how at missingwitches.com. 1.00

00:00:05.520 You aren't being a proper woman, therefore you must be a witch. 1.00

00:00:11.760 You must be a witch. 1.00

00:00:15.140 Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Missing Witches podcast. I'm so excited. My 0.97

00:00:21.200 heart is so full today because it's a family episode. We have a godparent and a godchild

00:00:30.900 together here. Most of you probably remember a beautiful episode, an interview that I did with

00:00:38.240 one Chelsea Hamlet. And I reached out to Chelsea to come back on the podcast. And Chelsea was like,

00:00:44.440 you know who you have to meet. You know who you have to meet is my godmother, Ocean Yonye.

00:00:51.980 And so thank you so much, both of you, for sitting down in circle with me today. Chelsea,

00:00:57.800 can you reintroduce yourself to our listeners and then maybe give your godmother the glowing

00:01:05.920 praise that she deserves? Sure. Always good to speak to you, Amy. I'm very happy to be back on

00:01:14.180 The Missing Witches podcast. Y'all are awesome. I was on the episode talking about the erotic

00:01:22.300 blueprints and things of that nature. I'm no longer an erotic blueprint coach, but that is

00:01:26.500 another story for another episode. Instead, I would like to put myself, you know, on the back burner

00:01:33.300 and highlight my very wonderful, fabulous godmother, Ocean Yorin. I call her Ia. So if

00:01:41.660 you hear me say ia on the episode that is why ia is actually Yoruba for mom or mother figure

00:01:46.700 which um she definitely is to everyone who comes into her path you know so

00:01:52.520 Oshioin has been um initiated into Yoruba for um 30 years which is not um something that many

00:02:03.620 people can say um she also got initiated with um in africa so she went directly to nigeria

00:02:11.140 and she um her head orisha is um obatala as well as osho so when she is not being a wonderful

00:02:22.360 godmother and yoruba priestess you could find her singing whether at a karaoke bar or just around

00:02:30.240 the house and she's also an amazing cook which I love and um she always um knows how to make you

00:02:41.100 feel like family because I'm also a part of her ele which we are you know there's a few of us

00:02:47.820 and we're all her kids and we all acknowledge her as um our god mom or our second mom so without

00:02:53.340 further ado um here is oceanion um my beloved godmother and mentor friend and all of the above

00:03:02.140 so oh tito thank you well i i want to thank you guys thank you amy thank you chelsea for

00:03:13.540 for inviting me. My name is Ia Oshinyoyi Ifa Wemimo. I have been initiated into the Yoruba

00:03:24.780 religion, Yoruba religion of Ifa for 30 years now. It's been 30 years since I've been initiated.

00:03:32.160 But prior to that, I was involved, I want to say altogether maybe 45 years. So that'll let you guys

00:03:40.780 know that I'm only 20. I know I look like I'm 20. But it's been an awesome journey. And I just

00:03:49.560 want to say that I think that being initiated into IFA and being involved in the Yoruba culture

00:03:56.920 of IFA has been a big blessing to my life, for sure. Thank you so much. It's a blessing to have

00:04:04.660 you here today. I want to know, was this obviously something you're born into in terms of your DNA

00:04:10.400 and the DNA of your spirit, but was this something that your family taught you? Did you discover

00:04:16.680 Yoruba, Aoife? No, not at all. One of the things, it's really interesting that

00:04:24.760 as a young kid, so let's just start from when I was a kid. From since I was a kid, I would have

00:04:32.340 all kinds of dreams. I would see things. I would astro travel, all these different things like,

00:04:40.820 well, wait a minute, what's going on? You know, why am I seeing this? Why am I seeing that?

00:04:44.480 Some things being good and some things being scary. Like, you know, you're walking down the

00:04:48.580 hall and, you know, you bump into someone who's not there. So it's like, wait a minute, what's

00:04:53.060 going on? Or I know specifically when my father died, because my father died when I was about

00:04:58.800 seven, that I used to see my father in the mirror. And I would say to my mother, mom, I see daddy in

00:05:07.860 the mirror as a little kid. What are you talking about? You know, you can't see your father in the

00:05:12.640 mirror. But I was seeing my father in the mirror and my father was communicating with me. On the

00:05:18.900 average, you know, of course, nowadays, it's kind of hard to say, hey, I see somebody in the mirror.

00:05:24.000 or imagine a little kid telling their mommy hey I see daddy in the mirror and they're like uh it

00:05:29.760 all depends on the family uh I think we need to take our kid to see the doctor something is wrong

00:05:35.580 but there was nothing wrong it was just that I had the eyes to see into a different realm um as time

00:05:44.140 went on it just started to how can I say my the gifts that God gave me just happened to advance

00:05:51.900 more and more and more and more. Once I started to become older, it's funny that during the time

00:05:58.860 when I was seeing these different things, there was a neighbor of mine, even as a small kid. And

00:06:03.840 I was like, hey, Dwayne, I keep seeing this and that. And he was like, oh, you should talk to

00:06:10.500 my mother about it. I was afraid of his mother. I mean, I was still a young kid. I was like,

00:06:15.640 talk to your mother about this. That's the last person. That's the last person I want to talk to.

00:06:21.900 But I ended up mentioning it and she says, oh, so you're spiritual.

00:06:28.220 This is what you need to do. As some years went by, I noticed first it starts off on the spiritual

00:06:35.880 realm. You don't necessarily go and dive straight into Arisha. You have spiritual experiences.

00:06:43.180 You know, you may see things, you may feel things while you're sleeping. You may have dreams that

00:06:49.080 are giving you premonitions that come true, you know, different. You start off like that. You

00:06:54.180 don't start off with jumping directly into Arisha because the spiritual things will lead you to

00:07:00.840 why are these things happening to me? And that's when you start to begin your search.

00:07:06.720 There was a point in time where I was looking at tarot cards, you know, but that wasn't my thing.

00:07:13.160 I mean, I was into crystals at one point in time. And I think that when you're really young, you

00:07:18.160 just start sort of dipping and dabbing and all kinds of things to see where you fit, you know,

00:07:24.340 what feels like home. But for me, as I started to go to some spiritual events and things of that

00:07:32.480 nature, I came across a spiritual house, which his mother was involved in, and they were dealing

00:07:39.420 with African traditional religion. It felt good to me. It felt like a fit for me. Matter of fact,

00:07:48.440 it felt so much like a fit for me that in my mind, I knew that I would have to go back to Africa at

00:07:56.480 some point in time because there was a piece of me that I needed to reconnect with. So that's

00:08:04.020 That's kind of the beginning of how it started.

00:08:07.620 Seeing things, asking questions with his mother.

00:08:11.140 Hey, I'm experiencing this.

00:08:12.980 And she's like, oh, well, that sounds like this.

00:08:16.420 You know, oh, well, I mean, there was some scary parts too,

00:08:19.820 where sometimes you could be in your sleep and sleep and you can't get up.

00:08:26.060 I don't know if you've ever had that experience, Amy,

00:08:28.320 where you're sleeping and you're trying to get up and you can't get up.

00:08:30.700 I have never had sleep paralysis, but my spouse definitely has. So I've encountered it as closely as you can without experiencing that. Yeah, it's terrifying, terrifying.

00:08:43.020 Yeah. So, you know, when you experience stuff like that, you have to know what to do. And you need to be able to talk with someone about it. There are other instances where someone could be asleep and someone's having sex with you. No one is there. That's not a good thing. That is definitely not a good thing.

00:09:05.440 You know, having sex with the invisible man against your will is definitely not a good thing, let alone with someone that you are not consenting to have sex with.

00:09:15.560 So a lot of those different experiences at some point in my life, I did experience, you know.

00:09:24.760 um oh um actually my friend's uh mom she wasn't into ifa she was into santeria but that particular

00:09:38.240 spiritual house had a connection to nigeria i think the person that was in charge at the time

00:09:47.200 with that house i think she would go to nigeria every once in a while but it was more so

00:09:53.440 based in terms of Santeria, because everybody was into Santeria. They didn't really branch

00:10:00.260 off to Nigeria. But this particular woman, she started to go to Nigeria. And I think during 0.83

00:10:08.120 that time, they had some visitors coming every once in a while. So actually, that's the beginning

00:10:12.960 of it. Because I remember that they had a man come, and I think he was dealing with

00:10:19.100 the ancestors. And they were asking anybody if they wanted to see him. And if you want to get

00:10:26.620 a reading from him, you can get a reading from him. And I did. And there were some things that

00:10:31.080 he told me. So that was another set of eyes and insight into different things about myself that

00:10:37.500 I didn't know. But he was very much on point with it. And I think from that point, I just became

00:10:43.560 more and more interested, you know, and it just started to grow and I had more experiences

00:10:49.060 and more experiences. I'm so grateful that you mentioned that you like dabbled in other things

00:10:57.940 before finding this place that feels like home. I think so many people think that, you know,

00:11:03.340 being magical or being spiritual is some kind of straight line where, you know, the bright light

00:11:09.120 shines down on you and tells you exactly what to do next. So I'm grateful that your journey was

00:11:14.140 more than one step. You've got to try a little bit of everything. Your spirit is seeking to find

00:11:19.660 where that home is or where it belongs. Where's your specialty? Some people can look at leaves.

00:11:28.640 I remember I went to a spiritual gathering and there were some people that are just straight

00:11:34.080 up mediums they can sit down and you're having a little I guess they would call it a seance where

00:11:40.120 you know you're lighting candles and you have water and and stuff like that and the room's a

00:11:44.820 little dim you know and you all are praying and you look across the room and this happened to me

00:11:49.700 before I looked across the room and looked at this woman and I saw a pirate and I'm going like this

00:11:55.580 rubber mines what the hell what am I somebody is it Halloween and I didn't know no and I looked

00:12:02.480 again and the woman and come to find out at that point she became possessed or as we can say she

00:12:11.480 she allowed the spirit to come through her and this pirate started talking it was one of her

00:12:20.960 spirits that had been walking with her for some time and he ended up giving messages to people

00:12:28.300 in the room. Now, there are other times you have to be careful. And that's why one should

00:12:33.780 definitely have a mentor or a mentor or some godparent or whatever, however you want to call

00:12:42.200 it, to guide them through that spiritual process. Because not everybody gets mounted by a good

00:12:49.520 spirit. I saw a woman that transformed into a gargoyle. Okay. Yeah. Transformed into a gargoyle

00:12:59.880 and it's scared. Am I allowed to curse? It's scared the shit out of me. You know, I got a

00:13:08.400 potty mouth, Amy. I scared the fuck out of me. I was like, fuck yeah, it did. That's fucking scary 0.96

00:13:13.140 as fuck that and all I could think of myself was do I run do I stay and the woman in the room she 0.99

00:13:22.440 said no no no no no no everybody just stay where they stay where they are the woman was growling 1.00

00:13:27.620 she was carrying on and it was a scary experience but she was experienced enough 0.53

00:13:35.000 to know what to do and also with this woman her protective spirits kicked in

00:13:43.260 okay now let me explain what I mean by that she was already with her own knowledge and everything 0.97

00:13:50.580 but she's also a medium and her protective spirits kicked into her body and started drawing 0.93

00:13:58.600 things on the floor. And she put that person on the floor, came back again, and then started to 0.99

00:14:07.400 tell everybody to pray. And we prayed, and we prayed, and we prayed, and eventually the spirit

00:14:13.760 left. But the girl, after the spirit left, she was, I don't want to say she was traumatized,

00:14:20.500 but she knew something happened to her, okay? And she was happy to get whatever that was out of her.

00:14:28.600 So it's very important to stay prayered up.

00:14:32.460 Prayer is so important. 1.00

00:14:34.020 You need to stay prayered up.

00:14:35.540 You need, it's good to be good.

00:14:37.840 It's good to have a good mind.

00:14:40.040 It's good to have a good spirit.

00:14:42.100 It's good to have positive mind

00:14:46.240 so that you can attract positive things.

00:14:50.380 Every once in a while we get to feeling bad, 0.85

00:14:52.640 but if you're a wicked person,

00:14:54.520 you can't possibly expect for an angel

00:14:56.380 will come to you with, with a halo. You know what I mean? So it's, it's, it's very important to pray

00:15:02.500 out. But at the end of the day, the lady was able to get rid of it. And, um, she let us know what

00:15:08.500 happened. It's also very important to know how to clean yourself off. You ever walk into a room and

00:15:16.940 you look around and you says, and you said, you said, wow, I'm not feeling this room. The energy

00:15:22.400 in here is bad. You have to know how to clean yourself off so that whatever it is that's

00:15:29.160 lingering around your aura, that somehow or another you're able to transform that negativity

00:15:35.540 onto whether it's a flower, whether it's taking a spiritual bath or whatever, so that you can

00:15:42.320 re-energize and, as I say, reboot. But don't let me keep going on.

00:15:50.000 No, I want to know, like, it sounds like a very powerful, but like you say, like a very scary experience. And I'm wondering, having that experience, what made you go deeper instead of running away? What is it about you that wanted to go deeper into this?

00:16:07.100 don't think that I never wanted to run away Amy oh yeah oh there's a yeah you know there were

00:16:14.940 times that I was like I'm not really feeling this I'm a little afraid of it but it kept hitting me

00:16:21.840 in the face you know it's like running away from yourself you can't run away from yourself

00:16:27.380 because you are who you are and it's going to continue to be a part of you so I you know

00:16:34.260 just got to the point where I was like okay this can be scary some parts of it can be scary but

00:16:41.200 the more that you learn is the more it it increased my faith I can tell you that if I didn't believe

00:16:47.480 in God before the damn gargoyle and all that other stuff that I saw made me realize that I'm hoping

00:16:53.900 that there's a God because whatever that was I don't want to see it again it helped it helped to 0.95

00:17:00.940 increase my faith in God, it helped me to understand that this life that we live in or this

00:17:10.380 matrix that we live in is bigger than we thought it is. But the beauty of it all and the beauty of

00:17:18.360 is to help you to understand the universe in which you live, the different elements that

00:17:26.740 you're living in and how to also know how to use some of those elements in your life to make

00:17:35.340 things better. Hope I answered that right. Yes. Well, there is no right answer, but you

00:17:42.180 definitely answered it perfectly. I want to know about that first trip to Africa. I mean,

00:17:48.360 I can't imagine that was easy for you. I don't know how rich you are, but I imagine that that

00:17:53.880 was costly and quite a commitment. It was kind of funny. You know what happened? I had hit the

00:17:59.480 lottery. Stop it. Yeah. Okay. Give y'all some numbers fine. I got lucky. I had hit the take

00:18:12.140 five. Let me make sure I got this story right. No, let me reverse that. In the beginning, I did

00:18:19.140 not have the money. When I came back from Africa, I had hit the lottery. Yeah. That's the way it

00:18:26.020 went. But so it was the leap of faith, leap of faith. Yes. I, you know, believe it or not, I,

00:18:33.680 my going to Nigeria was the weirdest thing. It was not my intention. Um, I came into a little

00:18:42.800 bit of money I looked at the plane ticket I told my godfather who I had known at least for about

00:18:49.900 10 years prior so that's why with me being initiated I knew him about I would say maybe

00:18:56.460 even a little about 10 years prior and I would talk to him all the time and I just told him I

00:19:02.040 said you know what I said bye bye I'm coming can I can I come he says ah I'll show you absolutely

00:19:09.500 I said you sure can I stay for some time he said it's your my home is your home come

00:19:15.860 and I booked my flight and I remember which is so funny that I told my family I said I'm

00:19:25.720 going to Nigeria and my oldest brother who I love but we're like two bulls in a pen

00:19:32.360 you know I went to the airport I had my bags and everything and he showed up at the airport and he

00:19:38.020 are you coming back are you coming back and it was so funny because you know I would have never

00:19:47.160 expected him to show me any bit of love you know if anything I would have expected for him to say

00:19:53.420 to me see you see you in the next life but um but yeah I am I stayed in Nigeria the first time I

00:20:00.200 went for three months and I loved it what what was your biggest takeaway from that from that

00:20:08.000 were you initiated in that first trip? Yes. Okay. So that was the biggest takeaway. Yes.

00:20:14.260 For sure. Um, can you, like, how did that come to pass? Um,

00:20:19.780 what do you want me to come to pass in terms of getting the initiation done or come to pass?

00:20:28.980 Oh, okay. However, however spirit wants you to answer the question.

00:20:33.120 well I will tell you one thing it was it was a little it was a long flight wow it was a long

00:20:40.320 flight because I took a I took a direct flight um when I got off I think just getting used to the

00:20:49.620 air it was a shocker the air was thick it was hot yeah Chelsea was thick and it was hot

00:20:56.620 and I remember getting out of the airport and there was a certain smell that I loved

00:21:04.900 it was dark when I got there it was kind of like late at night so I had to

00:21:09.800 stay in a hotel but my godfather picked me up and um it was wonderful on the way going back

00:21:16.000 oh I have a joke for you so they have something called uh bush meat okay and it looks like a

00:21:25.520 gigantic rat. And there are hunters, like as you're going, you know, you see the trees in

00:21:33.320 the background here on my little screen. You're going, you're going, you're going. And you'll

00:21:38.420 see some people on the side of the road. Maybe they might be selling snakes. Some people eat

00:21:43.320 snakes. Some people might be, you know, wanting to buy this piece of bushmeat. And I remember

00:21:49.920 that I kept dozing, waking, you know, jet lag, dozing, waking. And my godfather had stopped on

00:21:58.300 the side to ask for someone who was selling some bushmeat. And I remember waking up and seeing this

00:22:06.480 big, long thing that looked like a rat. And it almost scared me half to death. And I said,

00:22:13.980 what is this is relax relax it said bush meat is good meat good good all I remember saying is

00:22:22.880 I don't want any of it please I don't want any of it at the end of the day I ended up eating some of

00:22:29.040 that you know yeah yeah I was like please whatever you do do not give me any of that but at the end

00:22:36.940 of the day I remember they cooked it and everything and I think I had it with some rice you know kind

00:22:41.900 like a chicken fried rice if we wanted to say it that way and I remember I ate it and I was like

00:22:48.560 oh this was really good that was the bush meat that uh that that you saw that day I just looked

00:22:57.280 at him and I said oh boy but that was kind of funny um but yeah um it was it was a lovely 1.00

00:23:03.780 experience. I think what I really enjoyed was the community, the community at large.

00:23:13.640 Everyone was friendly. It was wonderful to see the kids playing. You know, now we're, I mean,

00:23:20.520 here in the United States, we're kind of sometimes hesitant to just see kids outside playing because

00:23:26.660 we don't know, we don't know what's coming next. But what I found to be really loving is that

00:23:32.200 the neighbors knew each other. And I would say back in the day when I was a kid, that's how it

00:23:37.180 was. Oh, mom, I'm going down to miss so-and-so's house, you know, or I'm going down to so-and-so's

00:23:43.520 house and the, on the block, everybody knew each other. And that's basically what it was like when

00:23:50.300 I went there. Everyone would always speak. And most importantly, the level of respect was, was

00:23:56.460 awesome you know if somebody was older you have to bow there's a certain greeting and they have

00:24:03.700 they have a saying for everything they have a saying for saying good morning good night they

00:24:08.440 have a saying for if you've been sitting for a long time echo joko you've been sitting okay sit

00:24:15.080 nicely you've been sitting there for a while sit nicely if you happen to walk by again they have

00:24:21.520 another saying for that so it it was just it was just beautiful I just I really felt like I was

00:24:28.320 home for me it was it was it was a lovely experience and I was well nicely yeah yeah

00:24:35.020 and you talked about your your spirit seeking a home and it sounds like that is one of your

00:24:39.000 spirit's homes for sure and and it the the bushmeat it makes me think of the gargoyle like

00:24:45.620 something that you you initially want to run away from but then you're like oh actually this is

00:24:50.780 pretty good wasn't bad at all I want to know about either the process or your desire whichever comes

00:25:00.520 to the forefront more for you about making that transition from being a devotee to being a

00:25:06.020 priestess you know in terms of being a priestess it took so many years and also study you know I

00:25:16.460 learned a lot from my godfather um I learned a lot just by watching and when you're an apprentice

00:25:24.420 in Nigeria and I would say by far I am I'm knowledgeable but I am very humble when it

00:25:32.760 comes down to saying I know everything I don't I tell Chelsea and I tell them in my group

00:25:37.820 I don't know everything but there's one thing that I do know that if I don't know I know

00:25:46.160 someone who knows and Chelsea can tell you she reminded me today yeah you know you have such a

00:25:52.260 big network and I'm like what are you talking about but when I think about it I really do

00:25:57.560 I really do I'm just very very humble about it I don't boast you know about things um you know I

00:26:07.140 I want people to get um if they get anything from me I like to tell people I would like to make sure

00:26:14.860 you get the bird and not the feather. All three of us are just like, yes, yes. But for those of

00:26:26.520 our podcast listeners who are scratching their heads a bit, what do you mean? What's the bird?

00:26:30.400 What's the feather? Okay. So now if you get the bird, you get everything, right? But if you get

00:26:39.000 the feather, you're only getting a piece of the bird. So I want to make sure you get the real

00:26:43.720 McCoy. You're not just getting a piece of the bird. You are getting the bird. You're getting

00:26:50.360 the whole thing. So I don't want anybody to lack in terms of what it is that they would get

00:26:57.140 from me by whether taking them abroad to go and get their initiations or anything it is that they

00:27:04.680 need, whether it's medicine, because there's a lot of different things that Ifa has, you know,

00:27:10.980 you can get divination, where Ifa will tell you about your life. And Ifa is a way of living.

00:27:19.100 Ifa, and let me try to explain what is Ifa, right? Okay, so what is Ifa? Ifa is, how can I say,

00:27:27.080 and I have to use some comparisons to explain it, but Ifa is like the word of God, the word.

00:27:34.900 if I was there which if I is the is the is the wisdom overall we would call if I the system the

00:27:43.100 wisdom the word but orumila is the name of the actual deity or prophet okay just like how we

00:27:53.060 say oh Muhammad is the prophet you know to Allah except Muhammad tells you this um or Jesus you

00:28:00.980 You know, some people may say he's the prophet or he's the only way to get to God.

00:28:05.760 It is through Orumila that you're able to talk to Olodumare.

00:28:12.780 Okay, to get the information and the wisdom of Ifa, which is coming from the spoken word of God, which is also another name for Olodumare.

00:28:24.860 And let me see if I can, without jumping around too much.

00:28:28.620 If you imagine the Bible, inside of the Bible, you say, oh, what's the word of God?

00:28:33.300 But then inside of the Bible, you have many different verses.

00:28:36.520 You have chapters, Genesis, Exodus, et cetera.

00:28:40.780 Ifa is kind of similar.

00:28:43.060 There are 256 Odus.

00:28:46.300 Now, what are Odus?

00:28:48.680 I'm going to compare them to Zodiac signs, okay?

00:28:53.900 So your Zodiac sign, Amy, maybe is Egeobe.

00:28:58.620 Up underneath that zodiac sign, it says that your personality is this way, your personality is that way, but also everybody's fingerprint is different.

00:29:12.260 Chelsea may also be Egiope, but Ifa will go into detail to tell you more about yourself.

00:29:19.280 like maybe she wants to go into uh to work in a steel mill and if I would say that's not good for

00:29:29.020 you that's not that is not good for your star even though you may have the same zodiac sign as Amy

00:29:36.080 but if I was there was the witness to when you were born okay because God made him to be the 0.92

00:29:44.480 witness that Chelsea was made this way, but Chelsea should not go ahead and work in a steel 0.77

00:29:51.600 mill. Chelsea should go and be a fisherman. That's a joke. That's a little private joke with Chelsea,

00:30:00.640 you know, that she should go and be a fisherman because that works good with her element. 1.00

00:30:07.780 That works good with her star. Ifah will tell you about your life.

00:30:14.420 He will give you the roadmap to your life. Even when a child is born, what they do,

00:30:22.420 the babalawo, which means father of secret, they have something called isentaye.

00:30:28.440 is when they find out the, how can I say, the genesis of this child. What is this child going

00:30:40.320 to be? It may come out that, oh, and I'm going to do another comparison. For example, when we

00:30:46.740 talk about Christmas and they say, oh, they went to the star where everyone went to go and see baby

00:30:54.080 Jesus, there was a big star. But one of the things that they told Jesus, and I'm not so good on the

00:31:01.880 Bible, is that they told him he had to be moved from that manger because negativity would catch

00:31:10.840 up to him and maybe they might kill him. But he was destined to be someone great and known all

00:31:16.900 over the world. The same thing with Ifa. Ifa will identify that child, what he's going to be,

00:31:25.300 that he's going to be a great person. He's going to be present and he's going to own a mansion and

00:31:32.460 a yacht or whatever. He's going to be someone great. But in order for him to be that, you must

00:31:40.460 make sure that you pay attention to this with him. You must not do this with him. Maybe you don't

00:31:48.600 need to bathe him in hot water because it's not good for his star. You know, it's like kryptonite

00:31:54.240 to Superman. They're going to tell you what your kryptonite is that is going to affect you and

00:32:00.320 render you either powerless or for you to lose your power. So with Ifa, Ifa will identify

00:32:08.960 what you're good at, what you need to be careful of, and the best way for you to live long.

00:32:18.840 And you do this through divination? I mean, because we don't have like a book in the same

00:32:25.200 sense, because it's all oral tradition, a lot oral tradition, right? So we don't have that.

00:32:29.240 They have, you know, some books that will tell you some of the stories of the odus. But again,

00:32:35.820 everything is an oral tradition um but yeah if i will definitely identify what is going on with

00:32:43.960 that child and how you should raise that child and it's a beautiful thing because my godfather

00:32:50.580 for example um from the stories that he told me his parents didn't allow him to go to school

00:32:57.360 they told him he was going to be a big figure in this tradition um so there were a lot of

00:33:07.960 sacrifices that his parents had to make sure okay I mean it's a bad thing you say well he didn't go

00:33:14.540 to school he still learned to read and write and you know now pretty much has a doctorate in what

00:33:21.140 he does. But at the end of the day, they raised him the right way. They raised him how Ifa said

00:33:28.080 that he would be the greatest at what it is that he does. And all of that has come to pass.

00:33:34.920 I mean, like crazy. It's pretty, pretty amazing.

00:33:38.680 A friend of mine is an astrologer and her mother was also an astrologer and told me that

00:33:44.700 um this this astrology like really helped her mother to parent her in such a way as to be like

00:33:50.980 okay like maybe this isn't your path I'm not going to try to push you into staying in school or

00:33:56.960 because I can see by your chart so it's it's a similar thing it's a a reading of the a reading

00:34:02.720 of the stars and how do you divine do you have like a particular favorite is it cowrie shells 0.95

00:34:08.240 is it i don't use cowrie shells i actually use okpele and there aren't a lot of women that use

00:34:16.160 okpele it's usually i don't know what that is back up back up okay sorry sorry it's called

00:34:21.640 okpele it's a divining chain um it has like four four on one side four on the other one they're

00:34:30.600 like these little round seeds. And we use that for Opele. But mostly Babalawo, who were the men,

00:34:39.720 they use that. They do have some other women, you know, that are Iyanifas that use it as well,

00:34:46.520 but it's a rarity. It's not much that you hear about. But for me, I use Opele. You know, I just,

00:34:54.840 from the onset have been drawn to use Opele and that's what that's what I use yeah I it's

00:35:03.020 like it chooses you more so than you choose it you find like you are everyone uses a different

00:35:09.120 tool and you're drawn to the one that's going to work I mean ultimately I probably should have

00:35:14.680 been using shells but I wasn't introduced to shells right away so once I started using Opele

00:35:24.200 that's just it just became a part of me yeah i prefer to use opele and and it's your right to do

00:35:33.480 so i want to know too about um chelsea mentioned that your orishas are uh obatala and um oshun

00:35:42.220 is that the same thing do they choose you or do you choose them they choose you

00:35:48.260 they choose you you will find out well first i was initiated to ifa um in the leuka me and

00:35:58.080 santeria system they usually i mean i remember that argument from a long time ago that women

00:36:04.600 aren't initiated to ifa but that's not so women are initiated to ifa and can be initiated to ifa

00:36:12.540 you know um okay what was the question yeah so the the as far as orisha choosing orisha chooses you

00:36:21.800 it's like that guardian angel that was designated to walk with you through your life

00:36:29.120 for you to be the for you to be the best that you can be

00:36:32.960 and in the beginning before you get initiated there might be uh let's say for example there

00:36:40.640 It might be Ogun that is walking with you first, but up until the point that you get initiated.

00:36:47.220 And then when you get initiated, you'll find out who your life Orisha is.

00:36:51.940 Who is this Orisha that is going to walk with you for the rest of your life?

00:36:55.580 And you should be worshiping. 1.00

00:36:57.820 You should be talking to.

00:36:59.200 You should be praying to because he is an intermediary, an intermediary in between you and your God.

00:37:05.720 so when you make your prayers you're supposed to take and make your prayers to sound sweet

00:37:12.400 in the in the ears of of Ola Dumare so that your prayers will be answered

00:37:17.920 yeah like you talk a lot about like God and stuff like that but you know especially before we met

00:37:26.280 a lot of people would tell me to separate you know God from you know Ifa or Yoruba but being

00:37:33.140 with you made me realize like that's not the case so while some people may separate it it doesn't

00:37:37.940 have to be that way so can you talk more about um you know how God is still um pivotal and it's

00:37:46.000 still like you know he's still a thing even in Yoruba even if you're not necessarily Christian

00:37:50.140 um you know all of these Orisha that we worship and we talk to they're just different aspects of

00:38:00.600 God. They're different elements of the great I am. You know what I mean? The, you know,

00:38:08.160 Oshun, who is the mother, the loving mother that gives birth and everything like that,

00:38:14.980 that represents water. She's everything, you know, and that's also an aspect of what God created.

00:38:22.700 You know, we're not worshiping the creation, but it is an aspect of the power of God,

00:38:29.880 which is water, okay? Same thing for, okay, for example, when you harvest,

00:38:37.280 when you give thanks for a great harvest, which has a lot to do with Orisha Oko,

00:38:43.960 they're still giving praise and thanks for the harvest. It's not so much that they're saying

00:38:50.180 the harvest is God, but it's God that has made it so that the harvest is good, but we're giving

00:38:56.840 thanks for the harvest so everything that we do pertaining to orisha we give thanks to god first 1.00

00:39:04.780 the great creator of all things you know um and those same orisha still have to bow down to god 0.99

00:39:13.560 and they know that that's what they need to bow down to so they're just just different aspects 0.99

00:39:20.440 of God. I'll put it that way. It's just different aspects of God, if I'm explaining it

00:39:27.320 correctly. God is first. We have to give thanks to what it is that, you know, we can't even really

00:39:34.480 understand God because God is so too big to comprehend. So we just give thanks to the great

00:39:41.980 I am for everything that that that he slash she you know has given has given to us yeah that makes

00:39:51.420 sense that makes sense and also we do know a couple people who are also Christian and you know 0.98

00:39:57.640 initiated into your but too oh yeah you know you don't and I want to just say this is that

00:40:03.600 you can still be involved in ifa and go to church okay you know as they say don't fall for the 0.99

00:40:13.840 okie dope that you know i'm going to churches oh you're gonna burn in hell oh no no no no because 0.78

00:40:21.780 ifa is life ifa is is is enjoying and loving life and just understanding the different aspects of 0.99

00:40:33.020 this matrix that we that's called life that we're living in it's it's so wide I mean we're living in

00:40:38.500 the in the in the material but not only are we living in the material but we're living in the

00:40:44.240 spiritual I believe that I'm not just living in the material I live on a whole bunch of other

00:40:52.020 realms too if you get what I'm saying you get what I'm saying Amy you know I'm living full body nod

00:40:59.560 I'm nodding with my whole body. Yeah. You're not just living in this, in, in, in, in this physical

00:41:05.620 when you go to sleep at night, it's sort of like a preparation for death. That sounds weird,

00:41:12.140 but that is the time when your spirit gets a chance to get the hell out of here and go visit

00:41:20.660 people and hang out and do fun stuff and fly around and enjoy some other different dimensions,

00:41:27.900 you know and and meet people that you've known from the past life and and and etc go to the moon

00:41:34.740 come back you know and go chill out on top of venus and and and and smoke a joint you know

00:41:40.360 what i mean whatever but at the end of the day when you lay down and you and you sleep that is

00:41:46.400 the only time and not the only time so let me let me go back but that is the main time where your

00:41:52.520 body becomes relaxed you don't have to worry about this big heavy weight and your spirit says 0.75

00:41:58.080 she's relaxing well damn I'll be damn I can get up and I can I can go for a walk 0.70

00:42:07.040 for the next seven hours or so and you may have dreams that you've seen you know I got a little 0.97

00:42:15.820 joke for you I dreamt that I was talking to Jill Scott the other night and I love Jill Scott

00:42:21.240 I sure did I took a picture with her I'm like I don't have any in any concerts of hers that I'm

00:42:28.060 going to anytime soon but I dreamt that I was hanging out with Jill Scott well I just have to

00:42:33.620 tell you that I we just did an episode of the podcast where I told a Jill Scott story and and

00:42:40.440 put a bunch of her songs into the show notes so maybe we've just all got this amazing Jill Scott

00:42:46.840 energy happening right now you'll be surprised I mean I my mother's passed away for uh you know

00:42:55.260 quite amount of years now and I haven't had a dream about my mother in a while and I dreamt

00:43:01.840 that I looked up and I was with my niece's husband who I'm not really around and we looked up and my

00:43:08.820 mother was at the window waving and believe it or not there's a lot of satisfaction in being a

00:43:16.820 able to leave your body and see other things. You will even be taught at times, depending on

00:43:28.020 that spiritual mentor that has decided to make you understand a different realm, you know?

00:43:37.860 And again, which again, to me, makes you thank God even more, because if you can do that,

00:43:45.800 if you can do that then what is the great I am far beyond what anything that we can even imagine

00:43:53.320 we have the power yes the first time we met we talked a little bit about um sleep and spirit

00:44:00.700 and dreams and I know that this is like obviously sleeping is something that we all do but it

00:44:05.420 becomes a part of your practice when you're engaged in those dreams have you ever had

00:44:11.080 prophetic dreams that were very sort of on target? Does that happen to you a lot?

00:44:19.180 I, yeah, I had a dream about a number, you know, and especially I come from a family that is like,

00:44:28.120 oh, I dreamt that I saw a big fish. That's 742. Go and play that 742. But y'all go ahead and play

00:44:36.540 that number. But anyway, I remember I dreamt that I had, I don't know what it was, but I remember

00:44:47.740 the number was 575. And I, oh, that I went to go and look, I saw some jeans. I went shopping

00:44:55.940 and the jeans were, I said, well, how much are these jeans? And the lady said, they are $575.

00:45:04.380 dollars and I said damn that is that's too damn expensive 500 jeans of these she said that's how 0.88

00:45:13.760 much it costs I said and kept on walking I remember back in the day before the this New York 0.98

00:45:23.640 State Lottery came out you know there used to be number holes I don't know if you guys remember

00:45:29.120 the number holes well you might be too young for the number love you yeah but yeah you gotta take

00:45:34.040 guess you gotta yeah we we don't know that okay well that's where you could go and do your betting

00:45:39.540 you could go and bet and it was sort of like an underground betting uh system that really had to

00:45:45.900 do with the races at the racetrack so once they did the the races at the racetrack maybe uh they

00:45:54.480 had the first section called brooklyn and they had i forget how many horses it was and number five

00:46:00.940 one in the first race and in the second race number seven one and then number five one that's

00:46:07.860 how they would get their numbers so people would go and put their little bets out there whatever

00:46:12.640 hunch number they had but it's funny I remember I had something like 50 cents in my pocket

00:46:19.800 and I went into a number hole and I played five seven five and I hit straight

00:46:24.820 that was a dream yeah that was a dream that's a true story you pay attention to your dreams

00:46:35.560 people pay attention you should keep a journal of your dreams it's important because you need

00:46:45.300 to figure out your dream code now what's a dream code thank you that was my question okay

00:46:51.840 What I call a dream code is the way in which your spirit talks to you and gives you messages, okay?

00:47:04.520 They may talk to you in a weird way.

00:47:09.340 Maybe you're always sitting in a train station when they want to give, or you're on a train and you're having these dreams that you're on a train and these people are talking to you.

00:47:21.840 You know, or you just have these random dreams that you're on a train. Well, why the hell do I keep dreaming about a train? Because maybe you have some spirits that work with you that have to do.

00:47:35.940 that's their method of communication okay on the train so you write your dreams down

00:47:43.340 and you see if after a while is if there's any similar similar language that they talk to you

00:47:52.820 okay they may have a certain way that they talk to you that you might say this seems really weird

00:47:59.640 but if you go back to your journal try to look and see it's almost like playing high five private

00:48:05.500 eye you know uh what what what what am i getting what yeah we don't know that what's what you may

00:48:15.380 you may look 20 but your references

00:48:18.380 you know i don't even remember who high five private eye was that's how old it is

00:48:25.300 but i know it's an expression that we used to always use but if you're you know if you sit

00:48:31.380 can you write in your journal, you will see that there may be a pattern to the way in which your

00:48:39.500 dreams come. If you see that there is a pattern, that's the language that your spirits are talking

00:48:46.780 to you when you're in the dream realm, okay? And then you should always look back at it

00:48:55.920 every once in a while I dreamt that I was in a blue car and I was doing this and I was doing that 0.99

00:49:02.680 and then you'll look back and then I saw this lady with a red dress you know and she was a

00:49:07.720 ballerina and maybe two weeks from now you meet a ballerina with a red dress you know what I mean

00:49:13.760 it seems I mean it seems really weird but there's definitely a dream code everybody has one

00:49:19.320 everyone's is everyone's is different so you can't just say this is this means that and this

00:49:27.020 means that exactly yeah i want to get to this um because when i first approached chelsea years ago

00:49:35.960 now um for an interview she said because of the basically the title of the project being missing

00:49:43.940 witches she said I have to talk to my godmother I don't know what I feel about this word witch

00:49:51.600 and so I kind of want to just talk it out with my godmother before I say yes and of course

00:49:56.160 of course and that godmother was you and you told Chelsea yeah go ahead do it it's but can you

00:50:03.980 both maybe explain like because we we cast a big net we play pretty fast and loose with the word

00:50:11.000 witch but in african traditional religion the word has a different connotation than than we

00:50:17.660 might use can you talk a little bit about this other understanding of the word witch and why

00:50:23.000 chelsea may have hesitated at first well you know what's funny the witches don't even like for you

00:50:29.860 to call them witch you have to talk to them you have to mention their names with respect

00:50:36.920 you know um the way that it's said in the Yoruba tradition you would call them

00:50:48.420 it's like saying it's giving them uh a bit of a praise um

00:50:59.100 but they don't like for you to be calling them rich okay so um what what i would say is that

00:51:07.320 there are different types here in the united states and i would say outside of africa the

00:51:14.140 word witch is used loosely in africa even if you're a good witch you don't want to tell nobody

00:51:21.120 you're a witch because they don't identify themselves like that because it's such a secret

00:51:29.240 society you know they are powerful beings they can do and then they can do and they can undo 0.80

00:51:41.580 so you don't really um come out and say hey i'm we're talking about afric you don't come and say

00:51:52.200 hey i'm a witch because things that may be going on in that compound or that community

00:51:57.600 maybe there are some children that they just keep dying off

00:52:02.460 that person is going to get blamed for it you know and they do have different types of

00:52:11.580 And what we call them, Iyami, okay?

00:52:14.560 We call Iyami, which means mother, you know, Iyami.

00:52:19.000 But at the end of the day, they have different types. 0.79

00:52:24.000 They have white witches, they have black witches, and they have red witches, okay? 0.67

00:52:32.640 The white ones are kind of like the fairy tale godmother in the Wizard of Oz. 0.88

00:52:37.280 oh let me bless you and sprinkles sparkles and click your heels and you know I'm going to bless 0.87

00:52:45.000 you Dorothy that's the the white witch they do good things the red one is the one that's like 0.99

00:52:54.040 oh I'm going to fuck you up I'm going to fuck up everything that you do I'm going to spoil 1.00

00:53:00.720 everything that you're doing that's the other one the black one is can be destructive as well 1.00

00:53:07.720 can turn around and just make plague you know so in in africa they they're very very careful 0.97

00:53:16.640 to talk about it because those things are real they're real you know um i want to mention there

00:53:26.420 was one thing that we were reading, we were going over together in my class, because I have classes

00:53:31.660 on Sunday, where we were talking about the different types of Iyami, whereas originally

00:53:42.620 what had happened, this is a little traditional story, that mankind and the witches were in

00:53:51.480 harmony with each other. But God said, okay, you guys are in harmony, wonderful, but you must

00:53:58.980 remember, human beings, you must not kill the Iyami's children, and Iyami, you must not kill

00:54:05.440 the human's children. Well, the human beings didn't listen so well, and they ended up killing 0.96

00:54:15.980 the children of the Iyami. So the Iyami went back and said, God, you know what? I don't know what's 1.00

00:54:23.060 going on with these humans, but I found out that they killed my children. And humans were like,

00:54:28.580 no, we didn't do that, God. So he did his investigation and found out that, you know,

00:54:33.820 you lied. So the Iyami said, well, what are we going to do about that? Because he killed our 0.99

00:54:38.540 children. And God said, you know what? All bets are off. Anytime you want to fuck around with

00:54:44.100 human beings and destroy their shit, you go ahead. Because now what human beings are going to have 1.00

00:54:49.220 to do is that they're going to learn how to have to appease you. So you can cause problems in their

00:54:59.080 life. So that's why up until today, as I kind of narrow down the story, that there's always an

00:55:06.060 appeasement that needs to be given to them. And there are different little spiritual ways to

00:55:13.260 appease them to ask for their favor because even though there may be some bad ones you can still

00:55:21.560 I guess I'm gonna say it's kind of like a bribe you know it's like hey if I give you this you

00:55:30.500 promise not to mess with me and they might say all right give me this give me that I'm not gonna 0.90

00:55:36.400 fuck with you for right now but you're gonna have to bribe me maybe later when I'm when I'm 0.96

00:55:40.740 when i'm ready so they may leave you alone for a certain period of time but what they do is that 1.00

00:55:49.320 they were given the permission by god to mess with human beings who didn't listen so well so

00:55:58.240 i hope that makes a little bit of sense that makes perfect sense to me just the the classic 0.98

00:56:05.160 human fuck around and find out and and and offerings figure largely into you know most 0.96

00:56:12.460 religions so that that makes sense along those lines too of making offerings of appeasement 0.99

00:56:18.400 and and also of celebration yes yeah um but you know we we try to make sure that we stay on the

00:56:31.180 good side of them. Because again, they're powerful beings. They can do and they can undo. And I have

00:56:40.860 actually heard of situations where, and usually that power is passed down from a mother to her

00:56:51.460 child. They automatically may have it. Some people think that, oh, they can just go and pay for a 0.88

00:56:57.360 ceremony to become a witch? No. You were either born with it or you're not. Okay. If, how can I say,

00:57:08.300 if they really have some of those powers, and they also have some men witches as well. 0.98

00:57:17.280 but it's more women than than men it's more women than men they possess

00:57:26.160 a certain power that is passed down from mother to to child

00:57:33.320 can you tell me about your ele about the family that you've created not necessarily biologically

00:57:42.480 but spiritually oh yeah i love my guys and gals my babies i love my little babies but they're all

00:57:50.640 grown but um yeah my ele everybody is they're all wonderful um i would say i have a fair amount

00:58:00.500 we meet on sundays they're not all in the same location but we have become so close with each

00:58:07.240 other while we're, you know, everyone's learning and we're all studying together and they're

00:58:13.700 learning about Orisha, they're learning about Ifa, they're learning about different things

00:58:19.400 spiritually. Also, everyone in there has had a divination at some point and sometime, and there's

00:58:27.280 a lot of questions that they may have. I'm probably going to ask Chelsea a question on,

00:58:32.820 you know, how she feels she has grown. And, you know, what, and I am going to ask.

00:58:41.620 So from since I met you, Chelsea, you know, what do you think, how do you think Ifai has helped you?

00:58:52.040 Oh, man, that's a loaded question. First of all, we've known each other since 2016.

00:58:58.620 um so that's something that um we both didn't even realize it was that long wow yeah like since

00:59:06.580 2016 um and I got a reading from somebody else before I got introduced to you but then

00:59:12.840 I remember my first reading I was like yeah okay that's cool right and then something told me like

00:59:21.100 just like how yeah I was saying like um how something told her to just kind of get initiated

00:59:26.800 something told me let me call you know oceanian back and at least do one thing from my divination

00:59:34.240 and that was when i got my head fed for the first time yeah and so i remember i met i met up with

00:59:42.260 you you drove me to um rainbow to get a white outfit because i had to wear white

00:59:47.820 i don't even remember that yeah yeah yeah you drove me the rainbow because i was like i don't

00:59:53.980 have no white I didn't know I was supposed to wear white and you were like yeah like so I got

00:59:58.500 like a pair of sandals and like a really simple dress um and then you have white clothes at your

01:00:03.960 house and you know you were in the car we were in the car you were asking you know like

01:00:08.500 has anything that came up in the reading you know has anything like took place and then at first I

01:00:16.540 was like no I don't think so and then I sat back and literally like certain things that came up I

01:00:21.880 was like oh that wasn't the reading and I just like it was like kind of confirmation like okay

01:00:26.820 like I was supposed to do this um but ever since like my first head beating and my first like you

01:00:32.460 know um interaction with you I feel like I've really grown um spiritually but I've also feel

01:00:40.820 like mainly like mature wise um and a lot of things because I made a joke um about a fisherman

01:00:47.420 like fish um when she said she was teasing me because um one of my taboos that has come out so

01:00:54.120 far even though I'm not initiated just yet um is that I need to stay away from fish for a while

01:00:59.580 um so with that and part of it was because you know to help me with maturity and I wouldn't

01:01:07.800 have known that because I'm like nobody talks about fish being equated into you know emotions

01:01:12.720 maturity nothing so I'm like okay cool but I do I can say that as I follow things like that even

01:01:22.800 if I don't fully understand it I'm like okay like I have been you know maturing and getting things

01:01:28.320 quicker than I did before you know I you know before I started getting things quicker after I

01:01:39.300 decided not to eat fish in terms of maybe why somebody took something I said the wrong way or

01:01:44.960 maybe I took something they said the wrong way and just learned how to deal with it um also um

01:01:50.520 career path wise I'm I felt like um I'm seeing more so okay I'm still learning what my path is

01:01:57.220 but I'm getting closer um and also even you know my relationship I feel like um you know me and

01:02:04.380 my boyfriend have also gotten closer just from me listening to some of the readings that have

01:02:09.040 you know come out um so yeah it's and also I've just gotten community as well um I know different

01:02:17.740 people from different places now um that that feel like family and um I get different perspectives

01:02:25.060 and I don't feel like I'm alone or doing this by myself because even before yeah I would just read

01:02:30.640 books all the time and feeling just to feel connected to something that I felt like was

01:02:36.480 missing but I didn't I couldn't explain it I was just like well I like this book like one of my

01:02:41.760 favorite books was Jambalaya when I first like started getting like you know like interested in

01:02:48.340 it um like my first after my first reading like before Ea I believe um and I just felt so connected

01:02:55.540 to it even though that's you know Lukumi I was like okay this feels like I'm like something's

01:03:01.280 clicking for me so it's it's nice that um while that book has amazing like things that you know

01:03:07.260 people could do on their own I'm happy that I have like a mentor like a mentor and you know a god

01:03:13.400 mother um and like you know a priestess that I can just be like hey like what are some things I can

01:03:18.960 do versus what can I do and also hey like I don't really understand like why this is happening can

01:03:26.820 you look into this as to you know why this is happening that maybe I just don't know or even

01:03:32.820 okay I'm trying to figure out where to move what would be the best area for me to go and they find

01:03:38.820 good for that those you should look into major decisions and sorry to interject uh Chelsea's

01:03:46.600 like if you want to buy a house you should check ifa so you don't buy a house that isn't fit for

01:03:53.800 you. If you're getting ready to do a major business deal, you should find out if it's a

01:04:02.160 good business deal. If I will let you know whether or not it's a good choice or a bad choice. Now,

01:04:08.740 I've had people do things that if I said don't do, and then afterwards they come back and they're

01:04:17.500 like, oh, this didn't work out. And I'm like, if I'm not mistaken, I remember if I said you

01:04:24.440 shouldn't have done that. Oh, you know, so if I honestly, the system of if I

01:04:32.820 is wonderful, it's going to help you with everything. It can help you to understand

01:04:39.780 yourself. It can help you to understand your family. It can help you to understand your job.

01:04:47.500 where you need to be careful of at your job. It can help you to understand what you're experiencing.

01:04:54.120 It can help you health-wise. So many, as a matter of fact, it helped me a lot with the transition

01:05:02.120 of my uncle, who was my road dog, my best buddy. If I is such a deep knowledge that it helps you

01:05:14.640 to understand that yes when someone passes away yes they've passed away but in reality they really

01:05:23.840 really haven't so it sort of helped me to understand life better um if I will let you

01:05:30.780 know in advance that and and this may sound weird that um even if there's a somebody may get a

01:05:39.080 divination that says you need to be on the road be careful while you're on the road so you don't

01:05:44.460 have a car accident. The person gets, they manage to do the sacrifice or the offering or whatever

01:05:50.240 needed to be done, and they still get in a car accident, but maybe not as bad. It doesn't mean

01:05:57.200 that what was told wasn't, was a lie, or the sacrifice that was done didn't work.

01:06:05.680 It just meant that maybe the accident that you were going to get in might have been a major

01:06:12.660 accident that you didn't walk out of but you had a little fender bender so if I helps to soften the

01:06:20.440 bullet you know or the tragedy or whatever the case may be I've had countless divinations done

01:06:29.580 in reference to family and so many different things and my family they already know now they

01:06:35.960 they know who I am in the beginning it was very difficult for them to understand but I think that

01:06:42.020 over the years, they can appreciate what I'm involved in, even though they're not practicing

01:06:48.260 it themselves, because I also make sure that I look out for my family by being involved. But if I

01:06:56.180 is a wonderful, wonderful thing, it has saved my life countless times, you know, from from danger.

01:07:04.240 So it's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful way of life.

01:07:10.100 And do you do divinations for clients or strictly within you?

01:07:15.680 No, yeah, I do.

01:07:17.220 Well, you know, it's funny, Chelsea calls me old school, and I am old school in the

01:07:21.880 sense that I'm, you know, not really on Instagram or Twitter or things like that.

01:07:27.840 Most of the people that I know, and it's a lot of people, are usually referred to me.

01:07:32.780 you know say oh you know you need to call my eon they'll they'll call me and they'll decide that

01:07:39.340 they they want a divination done and the divination will be done I will make sure that

01:07:46.220 everything is explained to them and then after that I make sure that we go through

01:07:52.220 anything that they don't understand um and and and take it from there yeah and and what do your

01:08:01.360 clients need to have like a background in Yoruba or not at all not at all it'll be explained to

01:08:09.200 them in layman terms you know um and if there's anything in there that they don't understand

01:08:14.680 that will be explained so that the average beer will will understand exactly what I'm saying

01:08:22.140 yeah and so if our listeners who are just have fallen in love with you in the same way that I

01:08:29.400 have over over our conversations how can they get in touch with you what's the best way to do that

01:08:34.840 well they can email me um the email address is bogbo orisha at gmail.com and that's gbo

01:08:46.320 g-b-o g-b-o so that's two g-b-g let me start over g-b-o which is bow g-b-o and then o-r-i-s-a

01:09:04.460 at gmail.com and because it is fun to say we'll just say one more time

01:09:11.140 boborisha yes boborisha email.com now.com now bobo means all everything all so this is for

01:09:23.900 everybody this is this is not just for somebody involved in the european religion this is for

01:09:31.700 anybody you can be a christian you could be a wicca you can be whatever it is that you want to be

01:09:37.020 You can, you know, all pronouns are also allowed, you know what I'm saying?

01:09:43.760 So it's for everybody.

01:09:46.620 Ifa is for everybody to help you to live your life as best as you possibly can.

01:09:55.380 You know, we want to be able, in life, there's sometimes a lot of zigzag, zigzag, zigzag.

01:10:01.000 So if you're zigzagging, you're not going to get to your destination as fast as you would

01:10:06.280 by going straight. Ifa is like the flashlight in the dark. It shines the light on, hey,

01:10:14.180 down the road, there's a big hole down the road. Don't go down that road or be cautious when you

01:10:22.720 go down that road because there's a big hole or a big boogie monster down that road. So don't go

01:10:29.820 that way. Go this way. That's what Ifa is about, to make sure that you don't bump into those things

01:10:37.620 that would be detrimental to you in your life so that you can live to your fullest, to live to what

01:10:47.160 it is that you're destined to be in this life. And Ifa will also let you know and give you an idea of

01:10:54.420 your talents but I do divinations and you know my email address is addressed if anyone wants to

01:11:01.480 reach out or they have some mysterious things going on that they can't explain if I will

01:11:07.340 definitely let you know what's going on for sure yes and of course we'll put your email address

01:11:13.460 and everything else into the show notes I have one more question before we spiral out of this

01:11:19.400 conversation i want to know if there's a message that's coming through that you want to share with

01:11:27.700 our listeners like if your philosophy self spiritual message was a bumper sticker

01:11:34.780 what would be the message on that bumper sticker if you want to

01:11:42.140 come out of darkness seek ifa

01:11:48.120 i love that thank you so so so very much and thank you chelsea for introducing me to your

01:11:59.120 godmother and bringing me into this circle with your family it it's been such a joy and such a

01:12:05.380 delight and i've learned so much i can't wait to talk to you both again i hope we can make this a

01:12:10.480 a regular segment on the Missing Witches podcast.

01:12:16.440 That'll be cool.

01:12:17.500 And yeah, there's so much that we didn't even get into that, you know,

01:12:20.300 EO got stories and knowledge for days.

01:12:22.560 So that's what I'm saying.

01:12:24.220 Yeah.

01:12:24.860 You know, that's what I'm saying.

01:12:27.620 Am I speaking for you or are you down to come back, you know, one day?

01:12:31.060 Oh, absolutely.

01:12:32.280 Sure.

01:12:32.820 I love it.

01:12:34.680 Thank you, Amy.

01:12:36.060 Thank you.

01:12:37.180 I love it too.

01:12:38.660 I love it too.

01:12:39.640 and i'm so excited and so grateful um you were telling me that this is the first podcast that

01:12:44.760 you've done you told me at the beginning that you were a little bit nervous and i'm just i had

01:12:49.700 three cup of soups before getting on i've never heard of that before some people have a couple

01:12:58.040 glasses of wine you have a cup of soup that's amazing i just i thought i couldn't love you

01:13:03.180 more and here i am loving you more with your cup of soup i chelsea i said she said are you okay yeah

01:13:10.480 i said chelsea i'm supposed to be on this diet i said you're not going to believe this she said

01:13:15.060 what i said i just ate three cups of soup she said what i said yeah we're nourishing our souls here

01:13:26.460 today people again because i i really hope that some of our listeners are going to reach out to

01:13:32.640 you and get to bask in some of this light that is just pouring out of you say it again amy

01:13:39.380 g b o g b o o r i s a at gmail.com and again listeners all of this stuff will be on our

01:13:50.020 social media and in the show notes thank you for this family affair it really has been a balm

01:13:56.160 and a light and a warmth i i'm just i'm i'm so happy to know you both thank you so much for 0.77

01:14:04.280 being in circle with us today thank you so thanks amy and blessed fucking b 0.77

01:14:09.740 ashay 0.99

01:14:12.360 and blessed b 1.00

01:14:16.400 you must be a witch

01:14:21.520 If you want to support the Missing Witches Project, find out how at missingwitches.com. 0.93

Missing Witches - June 08, 2023

WF Osunyoyin (& Chelsea)： Ifa Is The Wisdom, Ifa Is The Word, Ifa Is Life

Episode Stats

Transcript