Missing Witches - WF Sherry Shone aka That Hoodoo Lady： Reclaiming The Bible

00:00:00.000 Oh yes, Mother Harriet, we have to talk about her. 1.00

00:00:04.260 You aren't being a proper woman, therefore you must be a witch. 1.00

00:00:10.560 You must be a witch. 1.00

00:00:13.200 Hello to the Missing Witches' coven. 0.94

00:00:15.720 I am so super excited and giggly and wiggling in my seat

00:00:19.800 to present to you someone that you heard about,

00:00:22.740 whose book I quoted in our last episode.

00:00:26.060 If you haven't listened to that episode,

00:00:27.540 please go back and check it out now,

00:00:28.800 or wait until you're finished listening to this conversation 0.99

00:00:32.680 with the one and only that hoodoo lady, Sherry Schoen.

00:00:40.140 Thank you so much for sitting down with me, Sherry.

00:00:44.740 I'll let you, I know you have a lot to say,

00:00:47.520 and I'm so excited to hear as much of it as we can,

00:00:50.720 but I'll let you tell our audience who,

00:00:53.360 they've already heard me say who you are,

00:00:55.440 so now I'll let you tell them who you are.

00:00:57.520 Absolutely.

00:00:58.000 So I am that hoodoo lady.

00:01:02.280 I started out in hoodoo, which is the African-American Southern tradition of folklore magic.

00:01:09.840 It is something near and dear to my heart because it is part of my lineage,

00:01:14.300 it's part of my culture, it's part of my ethnicity, it's who I am.

00:01:17.480 When I think about hoodoo, I think about deliverance. 0.98

00:01:20.380 I think about, you know, I need the rent paid.

00:01:24.120 I'm not going to get a crystal.

00:01:25.640 I need the rent paid.

00:01:26.700 i that's what i think about when i think of hoodoo so when you're getting ready to

00:01:33.680 call an energy that's right now then i want you to use hoodoo and when you read my book that

00:01:41.700 focuses on the bible um which is that hoodoo guide the bible to magic that root works by an

00:01:47.900 actual hoodoo reader i really seriously mean this this is what i do every day and every night

00:01:52.040 this is who i breathe and drink and sleep is um making sure that our ancestors and our guides

00:01:58.740 are following that hoodoo wisdom um it's very inclusive it's very diverse it's bible-based

00:02:05.040 magic but not restricted to a religion so hopefully that's everything you need to know

00:02:10.760 about hoodoo and about that hoodoo lady and we'll get into your right well we'll get into

00:02:19.360 your specific practice in a little bit but i want to open because i think a lot of my contemporaries

00:02:24.860 hear the word bible and immediately you know they think white supremacist tool for colonialism

00:02:31.720 and and i mean obviously we can't deny that the bible has been used as oh oh yes oh yes it really

00:02:39.580 has it has been used as a tool for the um restriction the degradation they the general

00:02:48.080 Everything that you can think of as hatred and fear and stress is part of that lineage of the Bible, from slaves to people that are immigrants to people that are non-English speakers to everything.

00:03:02.900 They've used that tool to say, this is why you need to be a slave. 0.82

00:03:07.020 This is why you need to be in captivity.

00:03:08.920 This is why you need to be held down.

00:03:10.820 And I say, actually, I say, actually, the Bible is a tool that can be used to flip all of that around on its head. 1.00

00:03:25.400 It can be gender neutral. 0.76

00:03:27.080 It can be religion nonspecific.

00:03:30.720 It can be a tool of you being able to take your power back.

00:03:35.600 and that is how i want else to continue to use the bible as no longer this tool of fear

00:03:42.620 something that you opened your book with that was like to me it was like

00:03:52.420 duh but aha at the same time was that the bible is african the bible is african um the bible

00:04:00.760 starts with Mother Eve, who is that original genetic person, womb that we came from, from

00:04:11.320 Africa. All of that lineage, all of those Bible verses, all of that original text, and

00:04:18.280 language, that love language, was originally started in Mother Africa. Now, when we look

00:04:26.460 at books of the Bible, and we see words like Nebuchadnezzar, and we see words like Bathsheba,

00:04:33.260 and we see all these other words, we kind of go, you know, that doesn't really sound

00:04:37.240 like you're a fan, and there's a reason, so, yeah, they're Egyptian for a reason, because

00:04:47.560 they all came from Africa, so, and that was, I got a book that started me on that, and

00:04:55.600 And it is called The Africans Who Wrote the Bible.

00:05:00.080 You actually mentioned this book in your book.

00:05:03.960 Gorgeous book.

00:05:05.080 And that made me cry like no other because the author to that, 0.65

00:05:10.520 Nana Banshee-Darkwa, doctorate who does nothing but religious studies,

00:05:17.260 She mentioned that even in Solomon, we talk about how Solomon speaks about he is black as night, and he is pretty much shunned, but still follow his words.

00:05:34.120 And when I said, wait, wait, where did I read?

00:05:37.100 I never read that.

00:05:38.220 That isn't something we talked about in any Bible study is that the members of the, the members of the Old Testament were ever of color, of any color. They were never women. They were never of color. Anyone that you had to follow was probably federal male, probably European, probably had money.

00:06:03.960 we didn't have that back then none of us came from that there's way too many of us with curly

00:06:11.060 hair for for us all to come from straight here i'm sorry that just no the facts are facts

00:06:21.880 in in the in the in the book you mentioned um in the bible solomon says i am black

00:06:32.520 I am black.

00:06:33.440 But like you said, that didn't come up in my Sunday school class.

00:06:37.780 That didn't come up in my Sunday school.

00:06:39.700 I was reading another book that blew my mind just recently.

00:06:45.420 That is The Lost Books of the Bible.

00:06:49.780 Thank you.

00:06:51.020 And this is from William Hahn.

00:06:55.380 He is from, he wrote this around the 1800s.

00:07:01.800 But basically, he talks about things that we never hear about in the books of the Bible.

00:07:06.620 Specifically, who is Mary's mother and father?

00:07:12.500 What, you mean that Mary?

00:07:14.060 Yeah, that Mary.

00:07:14.980 Let's talk about that Mary.

00:07:18.320 That Mary was actually born into poverty to Joaquin and Anna.

00:07:26.620 That was her mother and father name.

00:07:28.340 and at the age of three her mother Anna had a vision that her only daughter her only child

00:07:36.960 that she was given to as a gift from God yes was going to be the mother of the Christ

00:07:43.840 I just want to tell our listeners that Sherry is reacting to my face because my mouth is open

00:07:50.200 because once again my Sunday school teachers missed this part about Mary's mother having

00:07:56.360 prophetic visions please keep talking i okay when i read that i i tossed the book down and i said stop

00:08:04.580 it i said you sir have got to leave me alone i am done with you i am done with you it is from

00:08:14.500 the book of mary chapter eight

00:08:18.200 where it talks about not only was she gifted with this vision that at age three she was going to be

00:08:29.060 the mother of God, the mother of Jesus, but also she was sent away to live with other virgins.

00:08:38.240 Okay, yes, okay, keep going. With other virgins that were also deemed to be sent to be part of

00:08:46.080 some other religious work. And at age 14, she was released from that area where she could now

00:08:54.840 be virginal enough to be the mother of Christ. Okay. So when I read all of that, I said,

00:09:06.000 where are those other virgins? What were they doing? Okay. But there's so many of the questions 0.97

00:09:09.620 in my head, right? But why are we not told the complete lineage? Why do we not get told

00:09:15.000 that from the very beginning, so many of our women were part of this beautiful story of

00:09:22.520 spell work. We have been used for spell vessels, for healing vessels, for life-giving vessels

00:09:30.320 since eternity. And I think we need to carry ourselves as such.

00:09:37.520 Don't let it fear us when someone tells us, oh, I'm just a woman. I can't speak out.

00:09:44.680 Well, you know, actually, Joaquin and Anna.

00:09:50.000 And I know Joaquin is definitely an English name that I've heard of all the time.

00:09:56.060 What about you? 0.99

00:09:56.860 Very waspy.

00:09:58.600 Very waspy.

00:09:59.280 Very waspy. 0.61

00:10:02.620 But when I see that, I say, wait, not only was Mary non-European, but Mary might have had a little Latin in her. 0.72

00:10:12.340 Where did that come from?

00:10:14.680 Okay. So then I'm reading that, and I said, okay, so now we have the Africans. We have the Spanish and Latin. We have this empowered woman that from the age of 14 said, okay, this is what I'm going to do. This is my vessel. I'm using my body as a vessel to save the world. And we're not super women. We're not superheroes. 1.00

00:10:37.560 okay

00:10:43.640 I you know and I and I picked this book up and I said okay well all right then I'm just gonna have

00:10:53.200 to start so my next book is speaking about the women that are heroes and heroines because I

00:11:00.060 believe we are both we are both and this is the book that you're currently like writing

00:11:05.740 working on right now yes it talks about how we are heroes and heroines because of every bit of

00:11:13.780 magic that we bring and everything we touch from gargoyles to witches to satanists to all of us

00:11:23.420 we are all so vital to this magic tradition and it's and it's no coincidence we love our brethren

00:11:31.440 and we love our non-gender specific roles as well.

00:11:37.480 But that feminine role too, it is to be applauded. 0.95

00:11:42.680 Mm, okay.

00:11:48.340 I'm super, super, super excited to read your next book.

00:11:52.180 But maybe we'll concentrate for another moment on the one that's-

00:11:56.380 Concentrate on this one, yes, yes.

00:11:57.580 On this one.

00:11:58.380 Again, I'm going to say the title for our listeners, you've heard it about 40 times, but I really love this book.

00:12:04.200 So The Hoodoo Guide to the Bible, there's more to the title, but if you search The Hoodoo Guide to the Bible by Sherry Schoen, you will get this.

00:12:11.920 It was a major eye-opener for me.

00:12:14.900 And before I get too personal, I do want to talk a little bit more about the text of the Bible.

00:12:22.480 Because, you know, again, my contemporaries and I, we, we tend to concentrate on the nasty bits, the Leviticus bits, the abomination bits. There's so much beautiful stuff in there. I'm thinking of Corinthians, love is patient, love is kind. I mean, that's like the classic Bible or Ecclesiastes to everything. There's a season, which the birds took their lyrics from. Do you have a favorite Bible verse?

00:12:52.480 That's one of those nice ones that we don't have to reframe or recontextualize.

00:12:59.320 I know.

00:13:00.040 There's so many beautiful ones.

00:13:02.800 The ones that I love, other than the books that come from the Apocrypha, which is the hidden text, right?

00:13:12.580 I do really appreciate those.

00:13:14.500 But let me look at some of the ones that I absolutely adore.

00:13:19.440 um i'm going to go right from the book because you know that's what good authors do right they

00:13:25.840 start with their own book um when i look at what is a good thing to have

00:13:40.360 jeremiah 29 11

00:13:45.320 for i know the plans i have for you declares the spirit plans to prosper you and not to harm you

00:13:58.240 plans to give you hope and a future see you know jeremiah 29 11 wow like there

00:14:07.880 really is stuff in there that's not going to break you down that is going to lift you up

00:14:12.420 it's going to lift you up if you're in the middle of a protest

00:14:15.200 and you say you know what I'm going to go to this protest and you go why am I going you know what

00:14:22.140 because Jeremiah 29 I have plans for you there's a reason I'm going if you're getting ready to go

00:14:30.400 for an adoption of a special needs child you know why i'm doing it because i have plans for you

00:14:38.300 okay this is what i'm saying when i say that you talk to your soul you bring those up and my great

00:14:47.900 grandmother that i talk about in the book grand she would give us encouragement all the time

00:14:53.540 with these little tidbits of wisdom that we went well the bible is the best book ever

00:14:58.400 yes we got to see the other parts but as you saw the other parts she would do like what i talked

00:15:05.200 about in the book where we changed it around and we said you know what it's almost like with in the

00:15:12.680 dream world when you're doing dream therapy and if you have a nightmare many cognitive behavior

00:15:19.680 therapists will tell you the first thing you need to do is take that dream that gave you a nightmare

00:15:25.360 go back into that dream and change the ending right right yes yes and that's exactly what i'm

00:15:33.080 saying is where that bible has hurt you be brave people go back into that verse

00:15:40.500 re-establish it claim it make it your own make it gender free make it religion neutral make it

00:15:48.500 something to uplift you and give you something and if it's something that is there to bind or

00:15:54.940 to cause about a restriction or something then use that for your spell work because there's nothing

00:16:03.120 more powerful than words yes i i teased the turning a hurtful bible verse into a helpful

00:16:10.400 exercise in the last episode so i'm gonna jump i'm gonna jump to that now you speak specifically

00:16:16.260 about and again this really went right to the child in me um who was trying to figure out what

00:16:23.980 to believe in the face of what she was told versus what she knew to be true, especially

00:16:30.640 in terms of what women are capable of, what queer people are capable of, all of that. 0.91

00:16:35.200 So Timothy 2.12, I'm going to read the verse and then can you turn it around for our listeners? 0.80

00:16:42.380 Absolutely.

00:16:43.240 Good.

00:16:43.600 Here we go. 1.00

00:16:44.100 Timothy 2.12, I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. 1.00

00:16:50.800 She must be silent. 1.00

00:16:53.240 Now, Sherry Schoen, flip it.

00:16:59.220 You start to talk about, I do not permit a blank to teach or to have authority over blank.

00:17:08.400 And then you have blank must be silent. 0.64

00:17:10.100 That's what I want us to do.

00:17:11.160 I want us to take away those pronouns for a second and talk about what is the spirit of Timothy 2.12.

00:17:17.700 The spirit of 212 is to make sure that we are ensuring that there is silence when there needs to be silence and that you are in complete control to where you can tell someone you need to be quiet.

00:17:34.860 And I'm not going to permit you to have anything other than what I need you to say in this matter.

00:17:41.680 This is exactly how we're going to do. 0.71

00:17:43.640 And I don't care where you need to roll your head, bat your eyes, put on your ugly face, whatever you need to do, whatever you need to do, take that energy back. 1.00

00:17:55.860 And what I do is I look at first the pronouns first, and I say, you know what, I do not permit a woman. 1.00

00:18:01.980 I'm going to take that woman out because if I'm doing this first to do any 1.00

00:18:07.240 binding work where I want them to stop gossiping about me, 0.72

00:18:11.820 where I want them to stop talking about me on my job, 0.98

00:18:15.040 where I want someone to keep their name out of my partner's mouths in a foul

00:18:22.080 way, any of that, any of that, then I'm going to take that out.

00:18:25.540 Then I'm going to say,

00:18:27.820 I permit a blank and I'm going to say a person.

00:18:31.980 a scene, an ex-lover, a boss, a leader, a ruler, a government, an agency.

00:18:43.000 You know all of that, all of that.

00:18:44.720 Okay, so we're going to start there.

00:18:46.220 We're going to start there.

00:18:47.460 And we'll start with something really cute, like bunny foo-foo. 1.00

00:18:50.140 I do not permit little bunny foo-foo to teach or to have authority over who?

00:19:00.880 To have authority over you, to have authority over your children, to have authority over your family, to have authority over your life, over your home, over those that love you. 0.88

00:19:11.920 That's the words I want to give you.

00:19:14.920 Then I want to say, who's going to be silent?

00:19:17.580 Well, we're going to put that same name, Bunny Foo Foo, must be silent, right?

00:19:22.880 And then that changes that whole verse around to I do not permit little bunny

00:19:27.480 foo-foo to teach or to have any authority over me.

00:19:35.440 Little bunny foo-foo, you must be silent.

00:19:40.780 Now that's power.

00:19:43.560 And like you're saying,

00:19:44.760 you can obviously replace little bunny foo-foo with anything in your life that

00:19:48.520 requires.

00:19:51.100 Yeah.

00:19:51.700 Yeah, when you're in the middle of going through a negotiation and you're dealing with a contract with some attorneys and you have that other attorney that's doing opposing counsel and you say, you know what, I need that attorney blank blank to get off and to be quiet, then I want you to put in that attorney's name.

00:20:12.060 And some of the times people will say, well, I don't have a name, Sherry.

00:20:16.760 I don't have a name.

00:20:17.860 Do you have a descriptor?

00:20:19.340 do you have a descriptor that that person that leaves three down horses down on elk street

00:20:26.720 okay that's good that person that just drove that red car that's real good that third person that

00:20:33.680 walked into my store and tried to steal any of my gemstones out of my store that's good do that

00:20:39.880 i mean because if if the idea is that we're talking to a great divine presence then they

00:20:47.960 don't need a name you can i mean they're good they're good whatever you're accessing with

00:20:53.780 these words is going to understand your intention absolutely if you're a divine president as a

00:20:59.720 marge is what our presence is you're exactly right they don't need a name they need that

00:21:04.680 intention and they need that belief that when you say that with that intention and authority

00:21:12.160 authority then you know it's gonna work right um my great grandmother used to always tell me to

00:21:19.720 quit digging up seeds that I planted I would go plant something in the garden and then I come

00:21:26.540 back later on and pick it up and dig it up is it done yet I thought she was being metaphorical

00:21:33.520 but no you were literally going and digging up the seeds that you planted I would we would be 0.51

00:21:38.860 in Kansas on her little she didn't have a farm or anything she just had a regular house and she

00:21:44.180 would say okay now we're gonna make some carrots okay I'm gonna go check on my carrots and I dig

00:21:49.260 it up little seed okay Sherry put that seed back in the ground but I want to see it grow

00:21:55.440 you can't see it grow why why it needs to stay hidden it needs to stay covered in the soil

00:22:03.660 Okay, so when we do our spell work, when I do my voodoo work, many of the times my clients

00:22:09.620 will say, but it hasn't been done yet.

00:22:11.960 It's been six hours.

00:22:15.200 It needs the dark.

00:22:16.960 It needs the soil.

00:22:18.460 It needs to grow.

00:22:20.760 And then after it starts growing, how many of us have done a spell, first doubted it,

00:22:26.900 put a little more magic into it, a little more oomph, right, or really stank on it,

00:22:31.000 and then came back because it got too big

00:22:34.000 and said, ooh, I should have

00:22:36.040 left it alone.

00:22:38.120 Now it's on fire.

00:22:42.040 Yeah, my

00:22:43.900 version of that is the drugs

00:22:45.880 kick in the moment you take the second hit.

00:22:48.900 The first hit

00:22:49.960 kicks in the moment you take the second hit

00:22:52.040 and then it's too late.

00:22:52.860 The second hit you go, I should have waited.

00:22:56.600 It said an hour

00:22:58.040 for it to take...

00:22:59.760 But I was impatient, and now?

00:23:05.620 Now I'm seeing stars and fish coming through the front window.

00:23:10.520 I mean, all of them.

00:23:13.600 And we do that magically, too.

00:23:15.480 I think that's something that whether you're a beginner practitioner all the way up to whether you have an actual divine name, many of us do the same thing.

00:23:24.160 And that's why we're elders.

00:23:25.300 That's why we have sage wisdom, because we have messed up really well, really well.

00:23:34.240 So tell me about, I mean, your world in 2020.

00:23:39.380 Like, what, from your perspective, is the message that needs to be broadcast through this Missing Witches Coven in 2020, in this moment?

00:23:49.960 So in this moment, I want us to be encouraged.

00:23:55.300 That Mother Earth, Gaia, whatever is your police system, really has this under control.

00:24:06.500 Has plans for us.

00:24:08.860 Yeah, they have been abused.

00:24:11.240 They have been tormented.

00:24:12.900 They have been ridiculed.

00:24:15.300 We have done many things to hurt our Earth.

00:24:19.220 And they've played with us and said, well, maybe they'll learn.

00:24:23.280 Maybe they'll learn.

00:24:25.300 okay y'all are getting kind of silly okay and it's just like um my when when i was raising my

00:24:33.040 daughter she kept yeah mom mom mom mom the backseat of my little chevette mom mom mom when she

00:24:40.420 was baby and finally we were to stoplight wasn't my finest moment but i had a hairbrush and i

00:24:48.720 talked it back because i was like you have to be quiet you're driving me crazy you had to be and

00:24:53.540 it popped right aside. I felt so bad. But I think Mother Earth is now bringing out the

00:24:59.380 hairbrush. And she is saying, I'm going to have to make you guys take notice that I am

00:25:07.840 in control of this, that I will not have you hurt my plants and my wildlife and my forest

00:25:14.700 and my water and my trees and my air.

00:25:20.220 And unfortunately, that's causing so many people hurt

00:25:24.560 because they don't know,

00:25:26.700 because they don't have the understanding

00:25:28.680 that I think we as witches, as practitioners have,

00:25:32.960 that we understand that there's something larger

00:25:34.920 than what we need.

00:25:36.980 Yes, we would love to get everything we need,

00:25:39.220 but many times, for the sake of our coven,

00:25:43.580 For the sake of our faith

00:25:45.580 For the sake of our belief

00:25:47.140 We know

00:25:48.140 We're still good

00:25:50.760 Even in times of pain or suffering

00:25:53.880 We're still good

00:25:54.780 And I want them to be encouraged

00:25:56.680 I want all of your listeners to be encouraged

00:25:59.340 Because

00:26:00.860 In this time

00:26:02.780 The first place that everybody goes to

00:26:04.880 Is for healing

00:26:05.420 And they are going to come to us

00:26:09.840 So just keep yourself well fed

00:26:12.320 we'll care for, we'll nourish, we'll love, because we're here to help. We're here to heal.

00:26:22.100 Something that you point out in the book that's great about the Bible, as well as the accessibility

00:26:27.140 of it. It's in almost every motel room, every bookstore. How do you think that that's informed

00:26:40.140 how people think about the Bible.

00:26:41.940 It's become so ubiquitous that I think

00:26:44.020 most of us, even

00:26:45.460 fundamentalist Christians, haven't

00:26:48.020 come close to reading the whole thing. 0.88

00:26:50.620 It's just sort of like a lump.

00:26:52.320 It's like a lump of paper

00:26:53.860 that's everywhere.

00:26:56.420 It's just a lump. Or they read

00:26:58.100 John 3, 16, and they go, yay!

00:26:59.920 God's so much.

00:27:02.920 Many of them don't even

00:27:04.040 know what begotten means.

00:27:07.880 There's so many things

00:27:09.560 that I think that one thing that I recommend that you do in the book that I recommend because I do

00:27:17.080 it myself is I have a list of my go-to verses called who do the go these are the verses the

00:27:24.960 tried and true verses that I can use in any situation and be okay with they will work with

00:27:31.600 probably many of my clients all of my clients know that I'm bible based they will I have

00:27:38.460 I neutralize them to the point where they are strong, where they need to be strong, and I try to make sure that they are not harmful in any way.

00:27:49.200 Because it's so accessible, I feel that if you are ever in a situation where you go, you know, I really need to do a nice little spell, because I think many of us have been in that situation.

00:28:02.100 If we're in a meeting or we're in a restaurant and something just happened and you don't feel really well with it, it's not fitting well in your presence, and you go, hmm, then you can whip out your phone and you can go to Bible.com and you can look up, hmm, this is something I need for this kind of feeling or emotion, and then you can make it yours and just recite it.

00:28:26.680 and to me that's the beautiful freedom because you don't need anything other than that moment

00:28:33.200 and that verse and if you have a couple of you all together to say it together that's even more

00:28:41.920 power right because any of the work that we do is magnified when we have more of us together

00:28:48.300 And that is why, to me, slave work was so important, because when we had these fires at the end of the night, when everyone would leave their cabins, when everyone would leave their huts, when everyone would leave their abodes, their slave dwellings, and they would go in the middle of a fire at the end of the night and all circle each other and keep each other held up in prayer with a verse.

00:29:15.200 it wasn't a verse

00:29:16.880 I hope we go back to get beat by the master

00:29:19.840 no 1.00

00:29:20.540 no

00:29:22.660 that wasn't what they were singing

00:29:24.700 no ma'am

00:29:25.860 no that wasn't what they were singing

00:29:27.140 they were saying okay

00:29:30.440 here's the deal

00:29:31.360 Master John

00:29:33.220 beat me about two hours ago

00:29:35.920 I need something to help

00:29:37.240 you know what well I have some of Master John's hair right here

00:29:40.320 oh you do oh yeah and I'm getting ready

00:29:42.440 to make his breakfast in the morning oh you are

00:29:44.380 oh yes and I'm getting ready to do okay so we're going to use everything we got

00:29:48.200 and around this fire with this Bible verse that they thought that they were 0.74

00:29:52.540 going to use to keep us in slavery and we're actually going to make sure that

00:29:57.340 Master Don doesn't touch us again and that to me is so universal for anything

00:30:04.820 that you're going through in your life regardless of culture or ethnicity or

00:30:10.720 background or orientation or identification when you feel like you are

00:30:17.560 being held down I want you to use that same tool that people use to hold you

00:30:24.240 down to bring you back up 0.99

00:30:33.440 so when I told you that I had paired you with Harriet Tubman you got pretty

00:30:38.600 excited can you tell me about your Harriet Tubman oh with Harriet Tubman for me she is the North

00:30:49.540 Star she is when I'm doing any work that has to ask for that direction that North Star which way

00:30:58.000 am I going am I going the right way I think when I go get a tarot reading an astrology reading I

00:31:04.480 I just had a reading from my friend yesterday with Seraphic Angels.

00:31:10.260 And one of the things that I always ask her is, am I on the right path?

00:31:16.440 How many of us have heard that, right, when you're doing a reading?

00:31:19.480 Am I on the right path?

00:31:20.840 How many of us have asked it?

00:31:23.500 You asked it.

00:31:25.140 Am I on the right path?

00:31:26.560 And I believe that Mother Tubman gets you on that path.

00:31:31.220 She led maybe a cross path.

00:31:34.480 She led so many 300 slaves to their freedom, including her own family.

00:31:41.800 So if anyone knows how to get from point A to point B, I'm going to use Mother Harriet.

00:31:49.540 Yes, yes, yes, I'm going to use.

00:31:53.840 And she used the same Bible that I have, the same Bible that you will have access to,

00:31:58.460 the same Bible that your listeners will have access to, to do the same kind of work.

00:32:03.480 And when she died at over 90 years old, she said, I go to prepare a place for you.

00:32:10.460 So she is still making a path for us.

00:32:14.020 So if you're doing any, when I'm doing any work, when I go, you know, I'm doing a reading for you and I don't see a path yet,

00:32:21.240 then I'm going to ask Mother Harriet, tell me what the path is for this person sitting across from you.

00:32:27.700 Because I don't know. 0.98

00:32:28.560 and then when you allow her to come into you and she starts to slap you around

00:32:35.760 because she was not she was like she she would say you know you die or you go on either way

00:32:44.440 you'll be free yeah yes she was not a coddler no not a coddler there was no coddling and i believe

00:32:54.300 that in our magic world um many of the powerful magic that we do is not about being coddled right

00:33:00.860 i think that we have as a as a society of practitioners some of the time we want to do

00:33:08.300 light and love a little bit too much when there needs to be that actual opposite and we can't be

00:33:14.400 afraid of that opposite it's balance nature is balance we need both yes yeah i i mean i've said

00:33:23.440 a hundred times that I prefer a friend who's going to grab me by the scruff of my neck and

00:33:27.120 pull me off the cliff than someone who's going to go great job sweetie and watch me walk off a cliff 0.98

00:33:32.620 no it was for you to grab me and tell me what are you doing woman yes please and if Harriet Tubman

00:33:42.280 can do that for us like if I mean if she can't who can't who can right there are so many different

00:33:50.840 But there was a – and then there's stories of other ancestors that are of other faiths, other traditions, other gender, other culture, that if Harriet doesn't work for you, then maybe there's Kuan Yin.

00:34:10.500 Maybe there's someone else.

00:34:12.100 And there's so many beautiful examples.

00:34:13.900 And can we talk a little bit about appropriation?

00:34:18.600 Yes, please.

00:34:19.780 Yes, please.

00:34:21.120 Yes, please, Sherry Schoen.

00:34:22.960 Yes, please.

00:34:23.880 So in the book, I hope I help people understand that you do not have to be African American

00:34:31.600 to celebrate and embrace Buddhists.

00:34:35.080 It is not appropriation to say this speaks to my soul and I will respect it and its elders

00:34:43.060 and its traditions as my own.

00:34:45.000 that is something totally different than saying i'm going to wear something

00:34:52.240 white with a white scarf and go into a cemetery on halloween like it's a like it's a decoration

00:35:01.840 like a fest that's different that's an appropriation this is you see it and know it and

00:35:07.460 feel it in your body and soul and you are called you are carrying out your life purpose

00:35:12.220 then you are carrying out your hoodoo the way you need to and please do not let anyone else

00:35:18.700 tell you what but you're but you're you're Caucasian but you identify as bi but you

00:35:26.460 identify as trans you can't be hoodoo oh you can be more than that so please take that on 0.56

00:35:32.920 take that on yeah okay I just want to say this again if somebody tells you you can't be hoodoo

00:35:40.440 you think of sherry shone and tell them i can be more i can be more right i can be more because 0.59

00:35:49.180 how many of us come from backgrounds of the the effects of the diaspora we were taken from one

00:35:56.860 homeland brought to another of our not our own accord right some of us even when it comes to

00:36:06.320 relationship we were taken from one place and put in another we thought it was our own accord

00:36:12.800 and then we look back and we go oh that wasn't what I wanted and now I'm here even that you can

00:36:20.280 still ask for deliverance from here we've been there so you mentioned you mentioned your clients

00:36:29.820 a few times like what what do you do for your clients what if someone booked a session with

00:36:34.360 you what would happen if someone books the session with me then it's pretty unique um

00:36:40.820 you might be silent you might yell i might bring out some cards i might bring out a drum

00:36:47.620 i might bring out water i might bring out wind it just depends on what your ancestor is saying

00:36:56.000 is going to speak to you so if we do a reading the first thing i do is i do a brief session of

00:37:04.540 bringing us together do you remember how when we got started you clapped your hands you want to

00:37:08.560 bring us right all of us have our ritual to bring us present into the situation to the point where

00:37:15.260 i and the client are saying i am present i am here and then i start to read the other ancestors in

00:37:21.400 the room and whatever they have to say some of the time it's loud and profound and some of the

00:37:27.140 time it's so quiet that we don't do anything but maybe I'll drum my drum for 45 minutes

00:37:32.640 and I will just let them journey where they need to go

00:37:35.980 um some of the time my great-grandmother will enter into the session and she will start

00:37:45.060 taking care of my client and I'll just sit back and just go well

00:37:48.700 and they'll come up from there and they'll go oh she took me to the river yes she did

00:37:57.580 and now you're back

00:38:00.880 yeah and what did we learn at the river and and what did we learn at the river girl because

00:38:09.920 oh man yes um it just depends it just depends um i've had some clients that need to have a

00:38:21.340 spiritual cleaning now their home or their cars or their situations and i will do that

00:38:26.760 i have clients that want to have a blessing for new things they want in their life new ways they

00:38:34.020 want to go and they just want that blessing and so we do that if there's products I need to make

00:38:40.060 I work in the world of spiritual baths and spiritual cleansing so when I mean go down to

00:38:47.760 the river and clean yourself in water and things like that yes you can do something like that but

00:38:54.660 usually. That's cold.

00:38:58.020 That's cold.

00:38:59.460 That's a lot of driving.

00:39:03.780 You know,

00:39:04.800 I know it's fun.

00:39:07.000 And right now, I'm

00:39:08.900 in Oregon right now. I couldn't go

00:39:10.720 to the mountains and do any prayer work. I can't.

00:39:13.660 It's full of

00:39:14.440 a whole bunch of ash and smoke and fire.

00:39:17.380 I'm not going up to do a ceremony.

00:39:19.500 But I can go into my

00:39:20.960 bathroom

00:39:21.520 with blessed waters

00:39:24.660 that I've made from my own kitchen that I've made from my own herbs that I grew myself

00:39:31.160 and I can do spiritual work and cleansing with those waters right um I just finished doing

00:39:40.460 a shipment of products and I had my I had my sister and my family laughing because we were

00:39:47.820 all in the middle of the night and I was in the middle of making all my stuff and I and I asked

00:39:53.280 They asked me, they said, well, what do you need when we go out?

00:39:55.660 I said, I need four gallons of Everclear, and I have the rest in my garden.

00:39:59.320 And they said, we are not going to use the liquor store.

00:40:07.320 And now, us witches know that we use Everclear to make tinctures

00:40:11.420 because it's like the perfect alcohol for this,

00:40:13.740 but when you roll up with four gallons of Everclear,

00:40:16.800 people don't think that you're going to do craft with it.

00:40:19.980 They really don't, especially in rural Oregon.

00:40:22.220 they look at you like you're making moonshine they just look at you but they still let you do it

00:40:27.300 and we made quite a few products now I will say that if you're going to be using that as a

00:40:33.280 tincture for me with my spiritual products I use it as a tincture and I also dilute it about 50%

00:40:39.660 especially if I'm going to ship it because I want to make sure that at least those needs have never

00:40:44.020 been flammable so just be safe and careful if you have anything that's a full 75% product

00:40:50.900 said don't have a whole bunch of candles

00:40:53.080 burning while you're doing your bath

00:40:54.980 please

00:40:55.420 and the only reason I say that is because

00:40:58.720 I've made wax melts

00:41:00.840 and candle melts

00:41:01.860 that were bees, wax, lards, a whole bit

00:41:04.840 like we do

00:41:05.420 and I had the little wax melt

00:41:09.420 and someone complained

00:41:11.200 to me on my website and said

00:41:12.520 you never told me that I had to put that in a container

00:41:15.220 I'm sorry

00:41:17.600 and i said okay so now i'm okay on everything just don't eat it don't shove it up your nose

00:41:30.060 don't drink the 72 ever clear with hyssop please

00:41:39.320 so we just have to be careful but yeah so that's what i do when i do in kind of work um

00:41:47.600 We are now in an age where everything is remote.

00:41:51.160 I do all of my sessions by Zoom.

00:41:55.920 You can find me on Instagram, or you can go to my site.

00:42:01.500 I'm Sherry Schoen on Wix.com and find me there.

00:42:05.500 And you can schedule a site, a visit with me.

00:42:09.900 I do no minimum.

00:42:11.340 I do no less than 30 minutes.

00:42:13.500 um usually by the time we do about 30 minutes my clients kind of say i should have got an hour and

00:42:21.640 i'm like yeah because if you've done your work like i do my work it takes about an hour it really

00:42:27.260 does it really does things start don't even start to cook for like 20 minutes they really don't and

00:42:34.180 And I also, um, now do you do emergency sessions?

00:42:39.660 Me?

00:42:41.020 Mm-hmm.

00:42:41.760 I mean, I, I am a student at first.

00:42:46.660 And if anybody ever came to me for guidance, I would question them very, very, very, very directly.

00:42:56.160 What are you doing?

00:42:58.380 I would say, I suggest you speak to Sherry Schoen because she's going to help you.

00:43:03.280 but i don't do emergency sessions i have people that have said i really need some work i need

00:43:09.960 some blessing and i want you to do it tonight no i don't do that um usually i'm looked out about

00:43:15.540 two to three weeks in advance so i do ask for kindness around being flexible um because

00:43:23.000 what we do is important work and it's not entertainment for me and certainly like

00:43:30.520 like we were saying before if you need a quote-unquote emergency session i feel like you're

00:43:35.700 kind of digging up the seed before or you're you're going to dig up this like i need this

00:43:40.340 magic right now is i mean no it doesn't work like that no this isn't fast food i know there are

00:43:48.960 others that can do um and are happy to do really quick readings but i have to get in touch with

00:43:56.300 your guide. I have to commune with them. I have to be in the right frame of mind. I have to

00:44:02.700 download all of that information and have it ready for you. So usually I've downloaded everything

00:44:08.960 you need within 24 hours of our meeting, including herbs that you're going to need,

00:44:14.740 Bible verses we're going to need, chants we're going to need, and have all that kind of ready

00:44:22.560 so that when we get started your ancestors will already beat me up and they've already told me 1.00

00:44:28.880 and I just sit back and just relay the message and shut up as much as I can 0.81

00:44:33.000 because there's times when I'm like oh I want to say and they're like shut up

00:44:37.920 I Sherry believe you to be gifted do you okay you said thank you so you don't disagree I want

00:44:49.080 because i want to know like is this something i i connect to my ancestors with my thoughts and my

00:44:56.360 prayers and my feelings and offerings and all these different ways but i certainly don't get

00:45:01.100 the kind of messaging that i feel like you and and and minty harriet tubman are getting so have

00:45:08.580 i obviously you've trained yourself you know you you're constantly educating yourself but

00:45:14.600 Was it something by DNA or by divinity?

00:45:19.920 How do you explain your gift?

00:45:21.860 Can you?

00:45:22.900 You know, I don't know if I can.

00:45:24.720 And I think that all of us are gifted.

00:45:27.760 I believe that it would be very vain of me to think,

00:45:32.800 ooh, this is mine, only I have.

00:45:34.640 No.

00:45:35.480 I think that we have a presence and we have a nature about us as beings,

00:45:41.560 that all of us have the ability to do what I do.

00:45:46.340 I really believe that.

00:45:47.900 And I believe that the more we allow ourselves

00:45:50.780 to tap into that, the bigger it gets.

00:45:54.200 So by you being a student, right,

00:45:59.160 you're still a teacher through your podcast.

00:46:01.920 You're still a teacher when you share the wisdom you know.

00:46:05.820 You're still a teacher, right?

00:46:08.620 i think yeah my method of asking questions and i teach my asking questions that i want to know

00:46:17.420 the answers to a gift it's still a gift and all of us have different gifts that are given to us

00:46:24.700 for us to use for whatever purpose we want or for whatever for whatever purpose our divinity

00:46:32.400 or our divine want.

00:46:34.460 And it's up to us to choose

00:46:35.860 whether we're going to do that or not.

00:46:37.280 I told myself I was not going to do this

00:46:40.560 for many, many years.

00:46:42.820 I would have dreams that would come true

00:46:45.860 and I would go, nope,

00:46:47.760 that was just a movie I watched.

00:46:51.000 I think denying the gift

00:46:52.620 is a classic part of the story. 0.92

00:46:54.120 I think Harriet Tubman is the only story

00:46:55.820 I ever read where she never denied her gift.

00:46:59.260 She never denied her gift.

00:47:00.900 she was like oh this is neat and then she had that she had that ailment where she got

00:47:07.680 her head damaged trying to protect someone else and how many of us have noticed that we see things

00:47:16.920 in a different way after trauma you know it isn't that part of us learning our gifts learning who we

00:47:23.920 right you can't have fun all the time there has to be rain and storm caps and fire and tragedy

00:47:33.620 and it makes us beautiful intelligent wise beings i maintain that we have this like limitless

00:47:42.560 strength but we only know the strength when we're tested it's not the trauma that gives us the

00:47:49.380 strength it's the knowledge of the strength that the trauma gives yeah and i i i think that

00:48:00.880 us as a people we are starting to connect more and more that what we are doing every day when

00:48:13.140 we push back on the bully when we push back on the person that tries to traumatize us

00:48:21.440 you've got some animal magic animal magic happening in yours

00:48:27.060 okay yes they are they are not happy they're like wait there's stuff going on they are saying

00:48:34.500 some things that we need to talk about um they were like woof woof we agree

00:48:40.300 but yeah i think that we have the this innate ability that i that hopefully we're starting

00:48:49.960 to see in shifts of change now where we're getting these waves of energy that all of us

00:48:56.740 kind of pick up on where you'll be in a group of friends even on zoom and you'll go whoa did y'all

00:49:02.880 all feel that that was something that was strong someone will say something well they'll share

00:49:10.280 and experience they had and it's like you see it in your head as they're telling you and you're

00:49:16.420 telling yourself don't tell them what's going to happen next but you know exactly what's going to

00:49:20.880 happen next and then when they say it you're like yeah i was there i thought i was with you i love

00:49:27.080 you i'm part of your tribe i was there right that's not a coincidence

00:49:34.200 it. That's so beautiful. Thank you so much, Sherry Schoen. I'm going to let you get back to your

00:49:42.580 dogs. But before I do, can you give me Jeremiah 2011 one more time? Absolutely. I was so happy

00:49:53.460 with that one. Let me go back and find my page. Okay. While Sherry Schoen is looking for this

00:49:59.600 page i'm just going to say please especially if you have parents like me that you're trying to

00:50:05.400 connect with over this thing that you don't really connect with like the bible and myself

00:50:11.420 check out the hoodoo guide to the bible by sherry shown honestly reading the book has already like

00:50:18.260 changed my psychological relationship with my family and this is and and listeners it's not

00:50:27.060 expensive like it's really not it's 9.99 i didn't even make it ten dollars i was

00:50:35.320 sherry sherry shone loves us so much that she gave us your begotten book

00:50:43.640 and gave for only 9.99 once again i mean i i it really really helped me because i mean the bible

00:50:54.360 is something that is so important to so many people and so painful for so many other people

00:50:59.560 and and the idea that we can that it's not a hard fast stone object i i did mean to say that i

00:51:10.780 sometimes object to uh harriet tubman being called black moses because moses was black

00:51:16.220 so i prefer mama moses over black it's not it's not carved into stone tablets it's a it's a it's

00:51:27.800 a thing that we can we can mold and shape and use for our own magic and if you don't even if you

00:51:35.540 don't identify mother as a powerful or comforting or loving term for you you know just think of

00:51:42.360 north star just think of anything to bring that power back into you as you're working with your

00:51:48.500 magic is so powerful and so important words mean so much and if those words are hurting

00:51:55.100 then turn them around into something that helps please do please do yeah and also remember that

00:52:02.960 um the the bible existed before the white supremacist colonial tool of bible

00:52:09.300 Before all of that.

00:52:10.940 Before all of that.

00:52:11.700 It really did.

00:52:13.160 It really did.

00:52:14.160 It was not meant to be.

00:52:16.380 It's one of the largest, some would even call it the largest selection of, it's the largest

00:52:26.220 work of an accident.

00:52:28.600 You know how you have a car accident and you have somebody say it and then another one

00:52:33.300 say it and then another one say their story and then another one say their story.

00:52:36.340 If you think about it, the Bible is that, hopefully that'll help too.

00:52:39.300 It was a beautiful car accident of the beginnings of the world.

00:52:44.240 And it's told by several different people that were all there.

00:52:47.540 And they were all like, that isn't what happened.

00:52:49.600 He jumped out the car.

00:52:51.240 No, she jumped out the car.

00:52:52.820 No.

00:52:53.500 No, the light was yellow.

00:52:55.220 No, it was definitely red.

00:52:57.060 No, it was definitely red.

00:53:00.100 And now I'm bringing in these lost Bibles of the book where now I have the grandparents at the scene.

00:53:05.520 I'm not helping.

00:53:06.460 and that again i think you said it was william

00:53:10.920 han the lost h-o-n it's the lost books of the bible he wrote this in

00:53:16.400 roughly 1860s i believe but if you go to the bible

00:53:23.660 to the book that's the yellow and red and it's made by um it was

00:53:31.080 published by chartwell books well and it is it is a powerfully um beautiful selection of work

00:53:38.420 yeah it's good it's gone and it's skyrocketed to the top of my reading list for sure okay good

00:53:44.560 good and if you ever read anything else read the book of judith if you ever want encouragement as

00:53:50.860 a woman i bought i bought that book for my mother when it came out

00:53:55.120 just just to wrap a little so you're going to give us jeremiah 29 11

00:54:03.160 9 11 for i know the plans i have for you declares the spirit

00:54:10.520 plans to prosper you and not to harm you plans to give you hope and a future

00:54:19.420 thank you so much sherry shone you're very welcome you have shown such a beautiful light

00:54:26.700 on to me and this evening and you'll show me a light by even allowing me to be on your beautiful

00:54:32.620 podcast i'm i i'm i'm so grateful and i hope that this will be a continuing relationship i just

00:54:37.980 really had an amazing time please reach out i would love to learn from you as well

00:54:43.260 and i am going to read your next book oh my god i'm gonna read the shit out of it how soon

00:54:51.160 i don't want to i i don't want to dig your seed before it's it's bloomed but 0.95

00:54:57.580 this one is taking a lot longer than the first one to make and i just and i just have to do it

00:55:04.760 in its own perfect beauty but when i pick up another chapter when i was writing the

00:55:10.740 the chapter on

00:55:13.720 the Columbine

00:55:15.080 as a heroine

00:55:19.600 and

00:55:21.560 just really quickly

00:55:23.380 I tie the Columbine

00:55:25.220 to the shooting

00:55:27.120 to the eagle

00:55:29.600 and the dove

00:55:31.260 and that dichotomy between the

00:55:33.400 prayer and the prey

00:55:34.380 okay

00:55:38.280 we'll just leave it at that

00:55:39.760 just finish the book finish the book sherry shown finish the book and and for the oh my

00:55:46.800 missing witch's coven out there um jeremiah 29 11 let's start there i have a plan for you

00:55:55.020 thanks again sherry it's been an absolute very welcome much love to everyone

00:56:01.660 you must be a witch

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Missing Witches - October 07, 2020

WF Sherry Shone aka That Hoodoo Lady： Reclaiming The Bible

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