Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - As Always Perfect

00:00:00.000 two best friends both alike in dignity nurturing phantoms and courting the muse 0.59

00:00:07.320 the hag divines when something must die yes that was poog but this is huge the ego loves to seek

00:00:13.820 but never to find it was berlant and novak the whole time

00:00:18.060 how's the ludlow it's good are you in a queen we can i'll just save it for the recording oh don't

00:00:28.020 worry we've begun we're already live okay by the way there's a button at the top it's like

00:00:34.260 you want to go live we could live stream our recordings folks get ready because tickets

00:00:39.680 a hundred dollars a ticket that will be that will be yeah not cheap why because unedited access

00:00:47.220 bold live anything can happen look well tell me if you because naomi's watching a little i think

00:00:53.520 I'll be done

00:00:54.380 okay great

00:00:55.020 they're done in a second

00:00:55.960 I love

00:00:56.620 I love some background

00:00:57.820 a little background noise

00:00:59.300 the sounds of lives

00:01:00.060 it's glorious

00:01:00.560 the sounds of

00:01:01.120 the sounds of our lives

00:01:02.160 sounds of domestic

00:01:03.240 domestic life 0.93

00:01:03.940 Naomi thank god

00:01:04.840 did what I could never

00:01:05.820 bring myself to do

00:01:06.840 dishes

00:01:07.320 which was

00:01:07.700 well no the dishwasher

00:01:08.920 you know life has been

00:01:09.780 transformed by having a dishwasher

00:01:10.720 but of course like

00:01:11.560 both of us didn't grow up 1.00

00:01:13.060 with that shit 1.00

00:01:13.860 and we don't know 1.00

00:01:14.620 the culture of dishwasher

00:01:16.260 which is like

00:01:16.800 you have to clean the filter

00:01:17.560 every month or whatever

00:01:18.440 well

00:01:19.080 like right there

00:01:20.060 and I don't know that 1.00

00:01:21.120 fuck 1.00

00:01:21.480 I don't know that 1.00

00:01:22.080 like it makes me angry

00:01:22.880 I'm like

00:01:23.300 I'm like, life is, what did you say?

00:01:25.920 Naomi was like, life is impossible. 0.60

00:01:27.380 I said life is disgusting. 0.98

00:01:28.400 Oh, life is disgusting is what they said. 0.61

00:01:30.020 Like, it's like you'd wash your dish 1.00

00:01:31.620 and then your filter is like six inches of cum 0.93

00:01:35.100 mixed in with like- 0.99

00:01:38.000 Maintenance.

00:01:39.000 Maintenance.

00:01:39.740 It's not for all of us.

00:01:40.960 I mean, it's not for all of us.

00:01:43.540 Okay, some of us, some people.

00:01:45.600 Honey, I have our blue air.

00:01:47.320 Remember our blue air filter that we got sent?

00:01:49.200 I've never changed a filter on that.

00:01:50.280 That was like seven years ago.

00:01:51.660 But is it glowing red yet?

00:01:52.880 Because it will glow red.

00:01:53.880 It's not glowing red.

00:01:54.680 That's why I don't understand.

00:01:55.940 It does go red sometimes.

00:01:56.780 Oh, it does go red sometimes.

00:01:57.920 I was saying, okay.

00:01:58.700 But I splurged after the fires, after the horror of the fires,

00:02:02.540 which I hate to say after.

00:02:03.900 Still living through it, many of us.

00:02:06.080 And I was like, I'm getting an air doctor.

00:02:09.100 I got the highest, I got the biggest air doctor.

00:02:12.900 It's the size of a fridge.

00:02:14.620 And I do love it.

00:02:15.920 But already I'm like, oh, I got to change the filters on that. 0.91

00:02:18.200 I mean, it's just never fucking ending.

00:02:21.020 Chris ordered a replacement for the blue air that we have 0.94

00:02:27.340 which by the way is an older model

00:02:28.760 so good luck, sweetheart 0.99

00:02:30.640 trying to get the filter

00:02:31.880 it's chaos and confusion

00:02:33.700 and you go, I bet that's the one

00:02:35.460 and then we order it

00:02:36.400 and Chris is pulling the thing down

00:02:38.140 you know when you're trying to force it

00:02:40.160 and go, this isn't right

00:02:41.500 but you're hoping it's right

00:02:42.760 and then it tears

00:02:44.040 and you go, it's not right

00:02:46.280 there should be

00:02:48.020 I guess it works out this way naturally

00:02:50.700 but I don't know it almost another personality test where it's just like you know like I don't

00:02:54.560 know you're getting into a relationship with someone and it's like neither can manage if

00:02:58.380 neither can manage maintenance then what you know then you gotta you gotta make a decision I guess

00:03:02.880 I don't know I know you gotta make a decision because I I'm really lucky because I live with

00:03:07.020 someone who's really clean neat we talked about this yeah this morning we were talking about it

00:03:11.540 and by the way I'm not gonna I'm not like some fucking pig but it's just like I veered toward 0.97

00:03:17.160 chaos and like 0.99

00:03:18.880 Taz like just ripping up the room 0.99

00:03:21.200 so I really reap the benefits of

00:03:23.260 having someone orderly

00:03:25.340 but also we were talking about this morning and they were like

00:03:27.420 they were saying they were like no one

00:03:29.360 is more like disgusting than like 0.95

00:03:31.240 girls are so messy 1.00

00:03:33.040 you know Chris was shocked 0.96

00:03:35.080 because he like

00:03:37.220 moved in essentially

00:03:38.240 you know when me and my friend

00:03:41.240 were living together

00:03:41.960 they were saying this morning like two

00:03:45.100 girls it's like he was like

00:03:47.020 I didn't, like, I forget what he even said. 0.78

00:03:49.140 Like, I've never met, like, I've never known people this disgusting.

00:03:53.820 Wait, Kate just took a sip.

00:03:55.400 That's so funny.

00:03:55.960 Sorry.

00:03:56.440 Old coffee?

00:03:56.780 That happened where, you know, when the cashew milk or whatever, it's like, yeah, when it's like, this is like a cashew coconut milk and it like, yeah, but, you know, same for almonds.

00:04:05.180 Like, just sometimes it, like, separates and then it becomes this other thing.

00:04:09.920 Well, it's really one of the big questions.

00:04:11.700 I've been dipping.

00:04:12.520 I've been doing full whole milk arousal.

00:04:14.540 Yeah.

00:04:14.640 Can a nut milk ever be creamy?

00:04:17.020 I mean, I know you say Elmhurst.

00:04:19.240 Elmhurst, listen, no, no, no.

00:04:21.180 I think soy is much creamier.

00:04:23.380 Soy does give you a creaminess, it's true.

00:04:25.660 And I told you, and I know this is shocking,

00:04:28.340 but also it's really embarrassing and horrifying

00:04:30.380 when you feel yourself mirroring trends.

00:04:32.480 Like, for example, I'm like,

00:04:33.480 why am I suddenly really open to whole milk?

00:04:36.960 You know what I mean?

00:04:38.760 And I'm like, this is interesting. 0.96

00:04:41.240 Well, rat got ratted. 0.98

00:04:43.440 Rat mind. 0.96

00:04:44.200 Wait, what do you mean? 0.93

00:04:44.680 Remember we were talking about when you're on Instagram and you're scrolling and you see yourself going to rat and you're like, I'm in rat right now?

00:04:52.500 And I've never, to be clear, I've never been dairy-free in some true sense.

00:04:57.480 But I mean, I've gone years without having whole milk in my coffee or milk in my coffee, years and years.

00:05:03.120 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:05:04.480 I haven't ordered.

00:05:05.420 And then suddenly here I am with my whole milk cortado moaning.

00:05:08.720 I had the best matcha latte of my life yesterday with whole milk.

00:05:11.400 It's funny.

00:05:11.940 Oh, I've got a lot to talk about.

00:05:14.680 it's interesting for someone

00:05:16.620 because you have high standards 0.99

00:05:18.020 and you're not afraid to say something shit 0.99

00:05:20.460 but you also will 0.99

00:05:22.120 call something the best you've had

00:05:24.280 with fair

00:05:26.000 regularity right

00:05:28.260 remember you had the little

00:05:29.720 we'll save for the Paris episode

00:05:31.060 the little matcha and you were like

00:05:32.860 you're funny though

00:05:33.960 we'll talk about it in Paris

00:05:35.460 that was the best matcha I've had to go in my life

00:05:38.280 unless

00:05:38.940 okay that's the to go

00:05:41.840 really so you're standing by it

00:05:44.360 that was the I really do think that was a matcha also I love it was like a matcha cortado super

00:05:49.300 small and I thought I thought it was fabulous no no I'm trying to remember if if it was you

00:05:55.660 you go see that appreciate we go into this matcha place we'll save it for Paris we'll talk okay make

00:06:00.440 a note Kate that's a joke but I'll remember because I'm going to take us through everything

00:06:04.260 you can give them a little tease just you going we go to matcha place you go oh they got matcha

00:06:10.540 they got matcha americano i mean most places don't even have that language okay most places

00:06:15.140 aren't even familiar with that language okay to apply that language towards matcha versus coffee

00:06:21.260 like they think they think americano means you know and because i i experience that where i go

00:06:27.480 if i go in and i go matcha americano right okay style or whatever i have to throw in a style to

00:06:33.040 even try to shake them up if they don't know what's happening a latte uh okay no um

00:06:39.380 that's where I go

00:06:40.940 prepare it with water

00:06:42.520 it's such a huge question

00:06:46.460 of what terms you use

00:06:48.720 in an establishment for the thing

00:06:50.680 well and for years I was going

00:06:52.580 I want a cafe au lait

00:06:53.960 I don't want a latte but I want milk in my coffee

00:06:56.660 and this was a constant struggle

00:06:58.320 of going in cafe au lait

00:06:59.580 and they go huh can I get a drip coffee

00:07:01.540 with a little bit of some steamed almond milk 0.99

00:07:04.140 or whatever the fuck 0.99

00:07:04.840 and they go that's a 1.00

00:07:06.500 what do they even say that is

00:07:08.080 But then sometimes, I don't know, they look at you sometimes.

00:07:10.720 Sometimes they get it very rarely.

00:07:12.640 Two and seven get it. 0.95

00:07:13.860 Is that a misto?

00:07:14.940 I mean, it's not, I guess, because it's a cafe au lait, right?

00:07:18.440 A misto, I think, because I went through a period where I was doing.

00:07:20.480 You were going to walk me through a live panic attack. 0.57

00:07:22.500 Okay, no, it's fine.

00:07:23.180 Okay, it's fine.

00:07:24.040 This always happens to me.

00:07:24.960 My distrust in technology.

00:07:26.040 I thought my notes were just gone.

00:07:27.540 Like my notes apps, I thought just like the notes were gone.

00:07:29.940 Do you live in that terror?

00:07:30.860 I live in the terror.

00:07:31.880 Whenever I look at my bank account, for example, like online banking,

00:07:35.380 there's always part of me that expects to see zero

00:07:38.120 that I've been drained.

00:07:39.660 Like there's always part of me that's like...

00:07:40.800 And through deviousness?

00:07:41.680 Like through malevolence?

00:07:43.500 Like do you know what I'm saying?

00:07:44.580 Like someone stole my money.

00:07:45.920 So interesting.

00:07:46.800 Not malevolence.

00:07:48.160 More just like why can...

00:07:49.980 Like of course it got drained.

00:07:51.720 Like the internet.

00:07:52.360 Like more just like here I am.

00:07:55.080 Yeah, just...

00:07:55.720 Faith in numbers on a screen.

00:07:57.780 And some fear that I could accidentally

00:07:59.800 have like deleted my money.

00:08:01.860 Right.

00:08:02.720 Like...

00:08:03.160 That would be a rough...

00:08:04.660 That would be a rough feature.

00:08:07.700 If that were just part of banking.

00:08:11.360 Delete all.

00:08:12.300 Yeah, like delete, and it didn't go anywhere.

00:08:14.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:15.640 Or it was really easy to just give it back to the bank.

00:08:18.320 Like it was just like, click here to not give it back to the bank.

00:08:21.000 Click here to donate your funds to Bank of America.

00:08:24.140 Yeah, we need to divest.

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00:09:45.920 By the way, Poog has lifted me.

00:09:48.060 I truly was feeling, by the way. 0.98

00:09:49.260 I was going to say to you, I was going to go, don't forget, because I'm tired.

00:09:52.540 I was going to go, by the way, this is a lifter.

00:09:54.620 it really helps to come in

00:09:56.720 oh by the way I'm in a new vest

00:09:58.180 I mean I had it since before the previous vest

00:10:00.540 Arcteryx okay 1.00

00:10:02.160 I've called you little Arcteryx prancing around

00:10:04.600 okay it's got inner pockets

00:10:06.480 it's got two outer pockets obviously it's very different from the fishing vest

00:10:08.780 like I say this thing is thin

00:10:10.160 and warm

00:10:11.180 and that does a lot when you travel

00:10:14.040 anyway it's going on the vest list

00:10:15.980 the vest list is coming through

00:10:18.040 vest curation by Novak

00:10:20.320 okay go on raging PMS

00:10:21.800 and it always helps sometimes I tell myself

00:10:24.460 So this morning feeling, feeling emotional, feeling emotions, not unlike despair.

00:10:29.920 And I don't say despair lightly. 0.98

00:10:31.580 I fucking don't use it lightly. 0.97

00:10:32.920 Let's talk about what despair is, right? 0.98

00:10:34.640 Because there's different words and different emotions.

00:10:36.160 I want to get into this.

00:10:37.020 What does despair mean to you?

00:10:38.360 To me, it has a kind of, because the shapes of the words get in there for me and affect it.

00:10:42.800 So I'm like, okay, I want despair.

00:10:44.920 To me, it's a huge part of you is falling below the rest.

00:10:49.780 I like that.

00:10:50.420 That's beautiful.

00:10:51.660 That feels right.

00:10:52.500 That feels right.

00:10:53.280 That's sort of it.

00:10:53.760 Start crying.

00:10:54.460 You'd almost, I'm despairing, yeah, it's almost like you're dropping,

00:11:00.160 you're just letting it all fall to the floor because you can't hold it up anymore.

00:11:04.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:05.300 I just, yeah, I feel that and it's okay or something.

00:11:12.080 I don't know, but I woke up and also feeling, of course, hideous.

00:11:17.140 It's always like important to remember sometimes.

00:11:19.160 Really important.

00:11:19.800 Like woke up, oh yeah, I was like, cool, well I'm on.

00:11:23.460 Fuelable.

00:11:23.900 I mean, I need to go where no one can see me.

00:11:29.820 Just feeling like, and just like, almost like, well, let's double down.

00:11:35.560 You know, like just feeling.

00:11:37.620 I mean, that's the best almost.

00:11:40.940 Yeah.

00:11:41.480 Yeah.

00:11:41.680 When you can sink in.

00:11:43.200 Yeah.

00:11:44.040 I mean, I'm like impressing myself right now.

00:11:46.320 I've like piled my hair well on top of my head, technically speaking for a, for use of a clip.

00:11:50.980 Right.

00:11:51.120 Like it actually looks intentional, like almost, I mean, it looks casual, but like, you know what I mean?

00:11:55.600 I truly will leave the house or the Ludlow, okay, without glancing once near a mirror, right?

00:12:03.520 And so what happens is I go, I'm going to go downstairs, whatever.

00:12:07.040 I get out, I get the things I need, make it down, I go to the coffee shop next door.

00:12:10.780 And it's not until I look at like over the mirror above the milk, okay, that I go, oh.

00:12:16.760 And it's like the clip is up on the top of my head.

00:12:19.860 this actually happened in the airport

00:12:20.920 this has happened several times on this trip

00:12:23.220 with this clip

00:12:24.240 the clip is on top of my head

00:12:26.700 but the hair has fallen out of the clip

00:12:28.400 so the butterfly clip

00:12:30.920 is sitting on top of my head

00:12:32.420 clinging to

00:12:33.360 strands

00:12:34.720 and just enough that I don't feel it

00:12:38.500 it feels like it's still got my hair

00:12:39.920 but it does not

00:12:41.040 it is chaos

00:12:43.060 it's funny

00:12:45.000 intentionality visible in a hairstyle

00:12:47.480 and, like, you know, they can see.

00:12:50.820 I don't know.

00:12:51.740 And I almost think, I don't know what I think is going on.

00:12:53.480 I think they're, I think I'm an interesting person,

00:12:56.280 so they're giving me a little extra look.

00:12:58.940 Their gaze lingers.

00:12:59.960 And then I say, oh, they were like, oh.

00:13:02.360 They were reacting and adjusting to the insanity of the appearance, right?

00:13:07.220 Like the whole airport experience, I'm like, oh,

00:13:08.880 I just went through security, the whole thing, like this.

00:13:11.280 Not like this.

00:13:12.280 This is good.

00:13:13.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:14.540 Anyway, take me back.

00:13:15.400 Oh, yeah, feeling hit is, feeling hit is.

00:13:16.560 oh yeah leaning in leaning in it's like no but but also just like and again the thing about 0.82

00:13:20.540 hormones periods whatever it's like i fucking like it's helpful like again i was sitting there

00:13:27.200 today i was feeling the despair and i went listen you've been here before like it's like it's going 0.94

00:13:31.540 it's it is amazing it's it's the gift of the despair it's like oh yeah just feel it and i'm

00:13:35.800 like i'm like i'm gonna drop any second you know and like i will i meant the period will drop oh

00:13:41.780 But I mean, and it happens, or I've had it happen. 0.98

00:13:45.340 Again, I mean, fucking, this is all of life. 0.98

00:13:48.320 You look back, it drops, and you go, oh my God, yesterday I was, I saw my life like this, and today I see it like this. 0.99

00:13:54.700 I mean, it's just, by the way, speaking of periods in the moon, I'm just going to do a hard pivot to something that I did the other night, 0.76

00:14:01.040 which again, born and raised in Los Angeles, I've lived here now for what, fucking 10 years? 0.53

00:14:04.980 You start counting, I can't be expected to. 0.97

00:14:07.760 I've never been, I'm going to say this, I've never been to the Griffith Observatory.

00:14:11.060 I knew you were going to say it.

00:14:12.180 I haven't either, but you know, I didn't grow up here.

00:14:13.780 You're going to die, so I had a really nice night.

00:14:17.420 But I, first of all, the transcendence of going, 1.00

00:14:20.960 okay, I'm just going to cut to the fucking chase. 0.96

00:14:23.360 They have telescopes out there with the sweetest people you've ever met in your life 0.99

00:14:26.620 who are manning the telescope.

00:14:27.780 It's set up and you step forward.

00:14:29.500 There's a little line that forms.

00:14:30.620 You look to the telescope.

00:14:31.920 I look to the surface of the moon.

00:14:33.520 I'm going to start crying.

00:14:34.660 And I've never seen the surface of the moon like that.

00:14:37.080 I'm looking to the telescope. 0.99

00:14:38.300 I'm looking at the fucking surface of the moon. 0.99

00:14:40.040 I'm seeing the craters 0.99

00:14:41.260 I'm seeing the texture

00:14:42.100 I'm seeing it as bright

00:14:43.300 by the way I go

00:14:43.900 I need glasses

00:14:44.460 I saw it so clearly

00:14:47.620 I dreamt I need glasses

00:14:48.360 how strange

00:14:49.080 and I was with you in the dream

00:14:50.460 really?

00:14:50.840 no way

00:14:51.140 I was in a store going

00:14:52.120 I can't see that

00:14:53.400 I'm having glasses and dolphins

00:14:55.820 I'm having very specific imagery

00:14:57.440 and things coming into dreams right now

00:14:58.840 and the dolphins and the dreams 0.96

00:14:59.900 that's fucking huge 0.95

00:15:01.320 and I have to go deep into it 0.99

00:15:02.720 huge

00:15:03.000 congrats

00:15:03.260 I don't think I've ever gotten one in a dream

00:15:04.960 Jacqueline well guess why

00:15:05.920 you're sitting down

00:15:06.580 you were in the dolphin dream

00:15:07.960 thank god here we go

00:15:09.060 You were in the water, too.

00:15:10.120 It's a miracle.

00:15:10.560 Me.

00:15:10.860 No, no, no, no.

00:15:11.520 I was in the water.

00:15:12.580 Yeah.

00:15:13.080 And I've been having...

00:15:14.300 The dolphins are coming, thank God, into the dreams.

00:15:18.140 And by the way, I'm changing my life and it's real this time. 0.97

00:15:21.860 I'm not fucking kidding. 0.96

00:15:22.660 Okay. 0.98

00:15:22.800 So, no more fun.

00:15:25.220 Okay.

00:15:25.480 Reading.

00:15:26.040 Oh, well, because did you get...

00:15:27.280 See, I swear, don't let me interrupt you in terms of...

00:15:30.380 Yeah.

00:15:30.680 No, no, no.

00:15:31.240 You won't lose it, will you?

00:15:32.460 No.

00:15:32.620 I just want to say, I saw half a headline on someone's Instagram post.

00:15:35.700 You probably saw it, too, because we often get fed.

00:15:37.380 I did a dopamine detox

00:15:39.560 and it changed my life or something?

00:15:41.060 Oh, yeah.

00:15:41.820 And isn't that basically like

00:15:42.820 got off the phone for two weeks?

00:15:43.900 I think so,

00:15:44.380 but I think there's other ones too.

00:15:45.620 You got to look into it.

00:15:46.940 I want to do it. 0.95

00:15:47.900 An ADD brain.

00:15:48.960 Let's do it.

00:15:49.780 All right, give me more.

00:15:50.480 No, it is. 0.99

00:15:50.920 And the light phone's going to save our fucking lives. 0.99

00:15:52.720 We have to really come in. 0.98

00:15:53.700 It's not going to be easy.

00:15:54.860 This is the fight for our lives.

00:15:56.440 Okay.

00:15:57.000 So, well, I thought my life was changed yesterday

00:15:59.780 because, you know,

00:16:00.580 jet lagged from London,

00:16:01.480 woke up, eyes opened,

00:16:02.700 doll opened,

00:16:03.240 flared awake at like 6.50 a.m.

00:16:05.080 Did you remember?

00:16:05.960 Oh, it's because I'm...

00:16:07.380 Oh, I knew, I knew.

00:16:09.980 But you know what I did instead of, I don't know, look at my phone, grab for a book, write in bed.

00:16:15.220 I mean, I was like, oh.

00:16:17.760 It's like whenever I do that, okay, you start and it's almost like, oh my God, I didn't know I didn't have to do the other thing.

00:16:28.260 It's almost like, oh my God, nothing's coming in.

00:16:30.940 Nothing's flying through the book at me.

00:16:32.860 The book is just there.

00:16:34.860 Nothing's just shooting into my eyes from the book.

00:16:37.380 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:16:38.660 It's not fucking your life force out of you instantly. 1.00

00:16:42.400 Literally, you are getting your life fucked out of you. 0.99

00:16:44.880 You're not plugging your life force, your attention, everything, right? 0.99

00:16:49.340 It's not an instant, okay, like wake up, plug in, and then be drained.

00:16:58.260 I know.

00:16:58.580 And then leave and go, I guess I'll go back for more.

00:17:00.800 I mean, it's.

00:17:01.340 I know.

00:17:02.400 We are not to blame.

00:17:03.680 We have to just like give ourselves.

00:17:05.520 Yeah, anyway, so.

00:17:06.280 You hold a paper book in your hand and you just go, I'm safe?

00:17:09.040 That's what it is.

00:17:09.480 I'm safe in here.

00:17:10.700 Yeah.

00:17:11.180 All right.

00:17:11.840 More.

00:17:12.160 No, but just the surface of the moon, Jack, and I'm looking at it.

00:17:14.720 Yeah.

00:17:14.960 The guy running it.

00:17:15.700 I mean, these people are angels.

00:17:17.980 And then there's another line to look at Jupiter, which I, of course, have never seen.

00:17:22.040 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:22.440 Looking at Jupiter, this guy who fucking rules, he's running it. 0.99

00:17:25.400 He goes, oh, no, I won't know the document this thing when I start crying. 0.97

00:17:27.960 The guy running the moon telescope, he goes, we welcome all questions about the moon.

00:17:32.020 I mean, I could cry talking about it.

00:17:33.180 He goes, and then he starts pitching questions like, what are craters?

00:17:36.280 and how was the mood formed?

00:17:37.680 And I was just like, education. 0.99

00:17:39.180 And by the way, it's fucking free. 0.98

00:17:40.980 Obviously you can pay to watch, 0.99

00:17:42.420 but it's like there are families there.

00:17:44.500 It's Friday night. 1.00

00:17:45.680 Yeah, you have fucking four kids. 1.00

00:17:46.940 What are you going to do? 1.00

00:17:47.760 You're going to spend $8,000 taking them to see a shit movie 1.00

00:17:50.940 or you're going to like this lie. 1.00

00:17:53.900 Oh, take your kids to the museum.

00:17:55.480 Yeah, what? 1.00

00:17:56.000 25 fucking bucks a pop. 1.00

00:17:57.520 Like what? 1.00

00:17:58.500 It's like we're so deprived.

00:18:01.120 It's just unbelievable.

00:18:01.900 Anyway, the Griffith Observatory.

00:18:03.460 Sam's up there.

00:18:04.280 It's so sweet.

00:18:05.420 Yeah, we welcome all questions about the moon.

00:18:07.240 I mean, I could not believe it.

00:18:08.860 I can't stop with that.

00:18:09.320 It was like unbelievable.

00:18:11.300 And then me looking at the telescope and genuinely looking at him going,

00:18:14.060 oh my God, that's incredible.

00:18:15.420 Like I've never seen that.

00:18:16.400 He's like, it's pretty great.

00:18:17.840 It's pretty cool, right?

00:18:18.500 And then the Jupiter guy.

00:18:19.900 So we're looking at Jupiter.

00:18:20.800 He goes, as I'm in there, he goes, 517 million miles away.

00:18:24.180 That's Jupiter.

00:18:24.940 Oh my God.

00:18:26.000 I was like, excuse me?

00:18:28.220 Okay.

00:18:28.840 He goes, you'll notice the moons on.

00:18:30.340 Wait, 500 what?

00:18:30.860 How many?

00:18:31.180 I remember the number.

00:18:32.780 517 million years away.

00:18:34.780 Yes.

00:18:35.540 Wait, miles or years? 1.00

00:18:37.780 Fuck. 1.00

00:18:38.260 Wait, years? 1.00

00:18:39.000 Oh, why did you say light years?

00:18:39.940 I'm forgetting.

00:18:40.240 No, no, no, miles.

00:18:40.980 Miles?

00:18:41.960 I think so, yeah.

00:18:42.600 Miles, miles, miles, miles.

00:18:43.520 Yeah, miles, duh.

00:18:44.200 Not years.

00:18:44.860 Okay, miles.

00:18:45.660 Well, you're not wrong.

00:18:46.560 But who knows?

00:18:47.080 I'm not wrong.

00:18:47.500 Space and time.

00:18:48.780 And then there's these moons.

00:18:50.180 It's like punctuated on either side by these moons.

00:18:52.200 He goes, yep, that moon.

00:18:53.280 I'm forgetting what it's called.

00:18:54.180 He goes, yep, it has this, that, phosphorus.

00:18:56.840 It has cryovolcanoes.

00:18:58.660 And it just is the truth.

00:19:01.200 You suddenly are reminded of just...

00:19:03.660 And then Jacqueline, inside the Griffith Observatory, 0.98

00:19:08.840 it's a quote from the guy, Griffith or whatever the fuck his name is. 0.89

00:19:11.820 And he's like, if every person on earth could look through a telescope, 0.96

00:19:16.540 the world would change.

00:19:18.640 I'm not kidding, I could cry.

00:19:20.220 I know. 0.99

00:19:20.980 And that's the fucking truth. 0.99

00:19:23.580 And we're robbed of it. 1.00

00:19:26.060 Oh my God.

00:19:28.120 It was amazing.

00:19:29.320 And the guy manning the Jupiter telescope, we start chatting.

00:19:32.780 He goes, yeah.

00:19:33.300 He's like, well, you know, he starts talking about destruction of the planet and the whales.

00:19:36.340 He goes, you know, I always go back to the whales.

00:19:37.620 You know, we killed the whales.

00:19:38.940 And the whales, you know, their excrement was key to uplifting the ecosystems of the ocean and it's collapsed.

00:19:44.060 And then we were just kind of briefly chatting about, you know, kind of coded like, oh, the powers that be.

00:19:50.000 And he goes, don't worry, I got my list. 0.92

00:19:52.060 He was so fucking cool. 0.83

00:19:53.700 Just left elated. 0.87

00:19:54.580 The fact that there are these people manning it to me also.

00:19:56.620 So, I mean, when you engage with someone who has a body of knowledge

00:20:01.540 and they are excited to reward your curiosity and encourage it 0.98

00:20:06.420 and they know the shit and they're just as happy to tell you 0.99

00:20:09.560 the most obvious question about the moon, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:20:12.880 Oh, my God.

00:20:13.860 We encourage all questions about the moon.

00:20:15.260 I have a friend who has a telescope and, like, I mean, I don't know, you know,

00:20:18.940 how big it is, right?

00:20:20.480 But you can see some stuff.

00:20:21.760 He takes it out back.

00:20:23.200 Lisa Traeger has a really funny joke in her special

00:20:26.060 where she's talking about her dad calling and being like,

00:20:27.760 I got you a telescope.

00:20:28.680 And she's like so pumped.

00:20:29.980 And then she comes home and he got her a cantaloupe.

00:20:32.280 He like got the word mixed up.

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00:21:40.240 Back to just Los Angeles really quickly.

00:21:43.000 I had a transformative meal, which is a real throwback.

00:21:46.700 And I hate to even say throwback.

00:21:48.360 It's just, oh my God.

00:21:49.260 The point is Katsuya Studio City, Japanese restaurant.

00:21:53.200 I mean, there's no words.

00:21:55.420 I mean, and by the way, catapulted to, I don't know, 1995, sitting there at the sushi bar.

00:22:00.160 Guess who's sitting next to me?

00:22:02.120 A woman dining alone with a People magazine. 1.00

00:22:05.000 Oh.

00:22:05.720 She had a pot of tea.

00:22:08.180 She had a plate of, I want to guess it was probably albacore sashimi with crispy spinach. 0.98

00:22:12.360 I mean, they fucking do it up, right? 0.94

00:22:14.100 And she's sitting there with her chopsticks reading the magazine. 0.98

00:22:16.680 I almost wanted to thank her.

00:22:18.400 Thank you.

00:22:19.680 There wasn't anyone with their phone.

00:22:21.500 and there's these two old guys there

00:22:24.980 they're eating sushi

00:22:26.280 because it's a regular's joint 0.99

00:22:28.400 by the way it's fucking affordable 0.98

00:22:30.980 I don't know how the prices have remained 0.97

00:22:32.220 it's always remained the exact same level of

00:22:34.800 the price points always remain the same

00:22:36.580 so there's fluctuation since the 90s

00:22:38.240 but it's like thank you for charging me

00:22:40.540 $15 instead of $27

00:22:42.400 it's the difference

00:22:44.560 it's very felt

00:22:45.540 anyway, food is spectacular

00:22:48.260 it's a family restaurant

00:22:49.240 There's like the guys back there, you know, making the sushi, kids screaming.

00:22:53.020 He's looking at the kids smiling.

00:22:54.140 I mean, it's sweet.

00:22:54.940 You know, I mean, it's really.

00:22:55.900 And then these two old guys, they finish and the guy goes, as always, perfect.

00:23:03.040 Oh, my God. 0.98

00:23:04.020 Yeah.

00:23:04.340 And like leaves.

00:23:05.940 And like, I mean, and I was having the experience and I was saying, I was like, I almost can't be present for this meal because I'm so outside of it, reflecting down, looking at it.

00:23:16.520 I'm like, I was like, I'm going to be talking about this meal for a long time.

00:23:19.580 And I was like, this is my new life.

00:23:20.740 And I said to them, I was like, what's the reservation deal again?

00:23:23.440 Because we got there 5.30 on the dot.

00:23:25.980 It was packed.

00:23:27.540 There were a couple, four, top of, you know, but then 20 minutes later, oh, there's open spots.

00:23:31.540 You know, you roll the dice, you show up, whatever.

00:23:33.240 And she was like, oh, do you want to make a reservation right now?

00:23:35.060 And of course I had the full fantasy of imagine every Friday night, 5.30 reservation.

00:23:40.460 And it's just a standing res.

00:23:41.900 And then our friends who grew up in LA.

00:23:45.540 By the way, standing res might be the t-shirt of the week, I'm just saying.

00:23:49.080 Standing res, well, by the way, I already feel that I have a standing res

00:23:51.740 because when I was in London, I went to the Marksman for a Sunday roast

00:23:54.520 with two friends, and I go, same time next week, yep, showed up,

00:23:57.640 same table, I got the same table, I was like, this is what,

00:24:01.440 it's either temple, church, you know, it's like, what do we do?

00:24:05.260 Standing res, is that it?

00:24:06.480 That might be it.

00:24:07.100 Might be it, yeah.

00:24:07.720 And then our friends who grew up in LA, they were like,

00:24:10.560 yeah, we used to go to Katsuya every Friday night.

00:24:12.760 I was just like, oh.

00:24:13.700 Going somewhere every Friday night.

00:24:14.620 When I was a kid, we went to this one Mexican restaurant every Friday night.

00:24:18.420 Oh, really?

00:24:18.880 Until we started putting our heads – or not me.

00:24:20.800 I was actually – it was notable about my personality.

00:24:22.900 I think you know this, but I was always extremely well-behaved.

00:24:25.700 And the adult restaurants didn't allow the babies because I wanted to enjoy the good food.

00:24:29.220 So I was like the one that was let in.

00:24:31.520 But anyway, but the Friday night, literally, the Friday night, we'd be at this Mexican restaurant.

00:24:37.520 And it was, like, for a really long time until it was, like, my older siblings who were, like, you know, not babies.

00:24:43.960 Like, they were, like, I think my dad's, like, they're putting their heads down on the table.

00:24:46.960 Like, they were so used to it.

00:24:49.640 You know what I mean?

00:24:50.100 Yeah.

00:24:50.400 Like, that it was actually, like, it reached a point of, like, taking it for granted.

00:24:54.900 Like, all right, we're done.

00:24:55.760 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:24:56.380 Like, there needs to be some goddamn respect. 0.98

00:24:59.260 Still one of the, you know, it's like trying to, you know, trying to go back to Eden, you know. 0.98

00:25:04.160 No, but they had, I mean, they had the clay kind of glazed sort of, you know, lantern with a lit flame.

00:25:15.740 And then the porcelain bowl of the chips rests on top of that.

00:25:21.820 So they are hot.

00:25:22.560 The chips are hot and they are kept hot on your table.

00:25:25.580 Nice.

00:25:26.180 Over a flame.

00:25:27.600 God, that's good.

00:25:29.160 God, God, God.

00:25:30.420 There's something about some of the early tastes.

00:25:32.960 The early taste and the early restaurant experiences, and listen, we're talking about classic Los Angeles here.

00:25:38.380 I want to also shout out Michael's in Santa Monica, which is, you know, infamous restaurant.

00:25:44.140 And now, oh yeah, and they have, I'm talking about major happy hour, but gorgeous back patio, special occasion, and then front patio, you know.

00:25:52.360 I mean, this is Los Angeles history.

00:25:54.780 You got to go if you haven't been.

00:25:56.600 I'm recording starving, which is always interesting.

00:26:00.040 Yeah.

00:26:00.400 I'm genuinely actively hungry.

00:26:01.780 What are you going to do?

00:26:02.960 What's the meal going to be?

00:26:04.760 I'm not sure.

00:26:05.760 What Ludlow room are you in?

00:26:07.080 It looks like a king.

00:26:08.060 No, it's like a mini.

00:26:09.660 It's like a mini.

00:26:10.980 It's definitely not a studio mini.

00:26:12.560 No?

00:26:13.440 Studio mini?

00:26:14.180 There's no way.

00:26:14.580 I think so.

00:26:15.020 No, because it's not a...

00:26:17.560 Studio mini is...

00:26:18.620 I think that's a double bed, not a queen.

00:26:20.980 Is there almost no room to move?

00:26:22.920 Well, here's the thing.

00:26:23.960 We've booked this room before because my parents are staying here.

00:26:27.760 And, I mean, it's really like me and my parents in the lounge at Ludlow.

00:26:31.900 Unbelievable.

00:26:32.680 Having a time of our lives, connecting with people.

00:26:35.220 Last night I came in.

00:26:36.040 The fireplace.

00:26:36.580 Last night I come in with them. 1.00

00:26:38.400 Six girls yell out, the Novaks, okay, to my parents, 1.00

00:26:41.400 because they had connected earlier in the lounge. 1.00

00:26:43.920 Okay, it's been huge.

00:26:45.560 This morning we were wildly discussing philosophical notions,

00:26:50.000 trying to keep our voices down so we wouldn't be.

00:26:52.800 It was fantastic.

00:26:53.300 Turn them up.

00:26:53.840 The Ludlow, I'm due back, and I'll never forget.

00:26:56.520 I know I've said it, but I have no problem saying it again.

00:26:58.240 When I came to the Ludlow, I think to meet you or something,

00:27:00.740 and I walk toward reception

00:27:03.360 and I'm forgetting his name

00:27:05.040 Jonathan looks at me and is like

00:27:07.280 wait we don't have you

00:27:09.240 he thought I was checking in

00:27:11.200 he got confused he was like I don't have you

00:27:12.940 I was like just pass him through

00:27:14.980 just pass him through

00:27:16.720 and I'm speaking this directly to the Ludlow corporate

00:27:19.200 the amount of people that reach out and say

00:27:21.120 they booked the Ludlow because of us

00:27:23.200 I just want to say it's real

00:27:25.220 it's really real

00:27:26.740 we know it's real too

00:27:28.560 had an excellent meal with Pamela

00:27:30.960 Pamela at Dirty French takes care of us when we're here. 0.95

00:27:33.720 Oh, nice. 1.00

00:27:34.300 She's fantastic.

00:27:35.820 Anyway, it's just, it's been a huge Ludlow.

00:27:38.780 And it's still going.

00:27:39.820 It's ongoing.

00:27:40.980 But usually when I'm at the Ludlow, I'm either arriving late or I'm trying to eat after a show and it's late.

00:27:46.480 But I got here early and so, and I'm here in these days, I'm doing Suen deliveries.

00:27:52.080 Oh, well, of course.

00:27:54.140 Okay.

00:27:54.820 But not when, listen, when I was in New York.

00:27:56.880 For God.

00:27:56.960 I was like worried it wasn't even like didn't exist anymore.

00:27:59.600 I mean, it's obviously the east side one, but it's still there.

00:28:02.620 Sixth Street, baby.

00:28:03.800 Oh, it's there beyond.

00:28:04.980 Listen, when I was living at the Lodlow for 21 nights, okay, unbelievable,

00:28:10.760 and I would come home after a show and I would get the tahini.

00:28:15.420 The tahini ramen? 0.99

00:28:16.700 Yeah, with the squash, with the fucking kabocha squash. 0.98

00:28:20.280 And that was, you know, it was an interesting time in my life. 0.99

00:28:23.320 It was a heavy time in my life.

00:28:24.640 I would be there, rip off my clothes, maybe take a quick shower, get in the robe.

00:28:29.260 have that in bed and it really was just huge question the edge of heaven silverware what'd

00:28:34.800 you do how'd you eat it oh i ended up having using just having kind of ludlow like silver

00:28:40.780 silver yeah yeah because that makes all the difference no no you want to treat yourself

00:28:45.280 and have it be yeah yeah no i had that yesterday i actually was posing a question to myself i was

00:28:50.680 gonna ask you if you think is the one issue does suen ever so slightly undercook the kabocha

00:28:59.000 where you almost go...

00:29:00.540 With a crunch?

00:29:01.540 That can't be right.

00:29:02.380 Where you almost go like...

00:29:03.360 I haven't had that.

00:29:04.280 I've always had it cooked perfectly, to be completely honest.

00:29:06.340 Because it's quite thin.

00:29:08.420 Yeah, I know.

00:29:09.240 It was like... 1.00

00:29:09.780 Maybe it's just a bad to kabocha. 1.00

00:29:11.560 The way the skin on it is kind of like... 1.00

00:29:15.040 Kabocha is... 1.00

00:29:16.000 It's a thick skin.

00:29:16.860 Snickers bar.

00:29:17.980 It's so good.

00:29:19.200 Just, you mean that's delicious?

00:29:20.300 The sweetness.

00:29:20.940 Yeah, I just mean like the sweetness of it.

00:29:22.180 But do you know how the way that...

00:29:24.040 It's almost as thick as... 1.00

00:29:25.440 The skin is quite thick on a kabocha.

00:29:27.840 the green

00:29:28.600 you can eat it though

00:29:31.740 you absolutely can eat it

00:29:32.880 it almost has a snap

00:29:35.140 there's almost

00:29:36.660 am I supposed to be eating this moment

00:29:39.220 I don't know it's very interesting

00:29:40.700 absolutely but when I've done kabocha

00:29:43.880 at the home I'm roasting it to oblivion

00:29:45.520 me too well you know what I'm doing

00:29:47.380 dropping it 0.99

00:29:48.780 by the way I'm fucking done 0.99

00:29:52.060 with this shit guess what I'm going to buy an instapot today 1.00

00:29:54.080 I think that's my plan because guess what bitch I'm going to the Grove 1.00

00:29:56.180 I'm going to the Grove specifically to go to the camper store 1.00

00:29:58.840 where at the Grove, where at the Grove, where at the Grove

00:30:00.460 you know whatever the one is I always forget

00:30:02.500 because it changed but Williams-Sonoma

00:30:03.940 guess what sweetheart I think I'm going to do that today

00:30:06.660 oh my god

00:30:07.260 check that it's in stock

00:30:08.620 but make sure it's the one that I posted in the hack shop folks

00:30:12.500 specific one I really want you to get

00:30:14.320 it's like the pro

00:30:16.220 and it's not the duo

00:30:18.180 did you say it's like a hundred bucks

00:30:19.620 I forget it might be more than that

00:30:21.140 but not 150, under 150

00:30:23.820 I think maybe 120 or something

00:30:25.920 I think I looked at it and I was like, this is doable.

00:30:28.740 You don't need, in my opinion, you know, it's like I can't remember the research I did,

00:30:33.660 but I know I felt extremely confident with my choice when I landed on it.

00:30:36.580 And so that's all I can offer you, right?

00:30:38.020 Like, I don't remember why, but here's where I landed.

00:30:40.460 Yeah.

00:30:40.880 I landed with a pro and not the duo or whatever is the thing that sort of like also is an air fryer.

00:30:49.280 Oh, okay.

00:30:50.080 I don't need the air fryer.

00:30:51.500 You don't need that.

00:30:52.260 So I would go, I mean, you're going to lose your mind.

00:30:58.140 I'm so excited.

00:30:58.820 I want to do an ad for them.

00:30:59.580 I mean, I want them to, I want to be the face.

00:31:03.620 I want our faces on Instant Pot because, I mean, the way I've yearned for my Instant Pot lifestyle.

00:31:10.740 Yeah.

00:31:11.200 Oh, I know.

00:31:11.940 Actually, Jacqueline, I've privately thought about you going home and being with your Instant Pot.

00:31:18.700 You've reflected on the joy I'm going to feel.

00:31:21.220 Yeah.

00:31:21.540 I mean, the joke is like, you know, Chris has basically taken over.

00:31:25.500 So I'm not even doing the, I mean, it's like every night another stew appears.

00:31:29.260 He's doing the heavy lifting.

00:31:30.420 Oh my God, I can't wait. 0.98

00:31:31.400 I cannot fucking wait. 0.99

00:31:31.920 But it's just. 0.99

00:31:33.220 I'm hyper fixated on Esa Gracious Madre.

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00:33:01.900 Wait, there's all these restaurants I want to try in New York City.

00:33:05.960 Actually, got any Rex right now?

00:33:08.500 Anything.

00:33:09.080 Just open anything.

00:33:10.660 Go out to dinner with my mom.

00:33:11.760 I'm like, what are we doing?

00:33:13.100 Right?

00:33:13.200 I mean, again.

00:33:14.400 I got a recommendation from Gus Esselstyn.

00:33:17.320 You know the Esselstyns?

00:33:18.760 Oh, sure.

00:33:19.480 Okay, Gus Esselstyn.

00:33:20.360 A restaurant?

00:33:21.160 Appeared at my show.

00:33:22.300 It was an absolute miracle.

00:33:24.120 Jacqueline, that's huge.

00:33:25.760 Yeah, I was like, we met, we talked, by the way,

00:33:28.220 hysterical news in the Esselstyn family for me.

00:33:30.880 Are you ready? 1.00

00:33:31.780 So I was telling you, I was like, oh, yeah, I know them all.

00:33:34.500 I was like, oh, there's Essie, of course, the patriarch who gets called Essie.

00:33:38.840 And just for anyone who might be unclear who this is, give them a quick.

00:33:42.900 Preventing and reversing heart disease.

00:33:44.400 by Esselstyn

00:33:45.700 and one of my faves

00:33:47.700 and then I've talked about

00:33:50.500 Rip, the son, he has this

00:33:52.680 plant strong, you can find it

00:33:54.820 in Whole Foods, he's got all of his stuff

00:33:56.560 and he's got the engine cookbook and he did this thing

00:33:58.520 where he improved the cholesterol of all these fire engine

00:34:00.820 guys who, you know, classically

00:34:02.500 these are the type of guys that think

00:34:04.460 oh I'm not gonna, you know, I don't want to eat

00:34:06.840 plant based or I won't get the protein

00:34:08.660 blah blah blah, whatever, he changed their lives

00:34:10.640 whatever, whole family's in on it

00:34:12.220 Okay, and I'm like, oh, there's Rip, you know, there's Ann, there's Jane, there's Barbara.

00:34:17.380 Okay, there's no Barbara.

00:34:20.780 I've been throwing around Barbara Esselstyn as like one of the figures that I've invented.

00:34:26.520 And I had to hear from Gus, like, yeah, it's a joke in the family now.

00:34:29.200 Like, basically, I called, I think I called Jane Barbara.

00:34:32.200 And so now she calls herself Babs.

00:34:34.080 It's huge.

00:34:34.700 Anyway, our connection to the Esselstyn family continues.

00:34:36.980 That's huge.

00:34:37.520 That's huge.

00:34:38.520 Well, today I'm really excited to go to the Grove, which I haven't been – by the way, it's Sunday right now.

00:34:43.740 A weekend Grove.

00:34:44.940 I don't think I've done that.

00:34:45.940 Are you finally going – you know the big joke?

00:34:47.660 What?

00:34:47.840 I mean, to call it a joke is a bit much, but no, I haven't been to Backcountry, you, on this podcast, because I always ask if you've been to Backcountry.

00:34:54.140 Oh, yeah, what's Backcountry again?

00:34:56.240 It's a store at the Grove that has the camping stuff.

00:34:58.720 Okay, going to go, going to go.

00:34:59.940 I thought that's what you just said.

00:35:00.960 I have my eyes set on.

00:35:01.400 Oh, no, you said camper, as in the shoes.

00:35:03.760 Camper.

00:35:04.640 No, I have my eye – I want to – listen.

00:35:06.160 And whenever it's this season, we're getting to spring, we're getting to summer, I go straight to camper.

00:35:10.900 Because you know what I'm going to get?

00:35:12.620 Hyper comfort, durability, walkability.

00:35:15.520 Okay.

00:35:15.860 By the way, I have a huge announcement, which is that I'm planning on carrying on, doing carry-on culture, going to London and Italy.

00:35:22.700 Well, by the way, yeah, I know.

00:35:23.860 I'm thinking of chasing you to Italy.

00:35:25.460 Okay.

00:35:25.660 Because I need to get back.

00:35:26.680 Maybe it would get, you know, maybe couples.

00:35:30.240 Okay.

00:35:30.420 Maybe it would get, because we were talking about, I mean, I think most people know this.

00:35:34.320 People can't be insane.

00:35:35.100 But the fact that if you were to be in a city or even vacation with like a couple or something, it's not like every dinner has to be.

00:35:43.260 It's not every activity.

00:35:44.280 What are we doing for breakfast, guys?

00:35:45.760 No, you spend two nights alone and then you go, hey, let's have fun.

00:35:50.280 You go, let's go to dinner and have a drink.

00:35:52.900 You know, but anyway, I might, but I might use an excuse to try to get myself there.

00:35:57.260 And then we get, I could take it to Aura.

00:35:58.860 I could take it to Aura's and Iskia, okay?

00:36:01.240 And maybe we'd finally do the castle.

00:36:02.680 We'd go up to the, anyway.

00:36:03.680 I mean, I'm dying for it.

00:36:04.680 The truth is, what's crazy is I'm going to be, I'm going to, because I'm starting to go on tour soon, please get your tickets at capeurland.com. 0.94

00:36:11.720 I'm fucking begging you.

00:36:12.860 I'm going to be going straight from Rome to Chicago. 0.99

00:36:15.520 Nice. 0.97

00:36:15.820 And by the way, I really want to stay at the Viceroy, but God damn, it's looking expensive. 0.93

00:36:20.100 So this is straight to the ears of Viceroy Corpus. 0.93

00:36:22.360 I believe I got a deal when I first stayed there.

00:36:24.940 There's also this thing that there's also like, they have some weird club, you know, and there's a weird thing you can be a member of.

00:36:31.760 there was something there

00:36:33.220 that it was like I was almost getting that deal

00:36:35.780 okay I gotta get in there

00:36:37.520 I'm trying to remember

00:36:39.260 and then what was the restaurant

00:36:41.240 when I was in I was at the

00:36:43.300 viceroy it was one of the most beautiful rooms I have

00:36:45.420 ever been in hotel rooms 0.94

00:36:47.000 I mean god damn was it nice 0.82

00:36:49.340 and I've never had windows like that 0.95

00:36:51.340 like a full half moon of windows

00:36:53.620 with the electronic curtains

00:36:55.340 like opening and closing

00:36:56.700 like completely divine

00:36:58.440 walk along across the street

00:37:00.480 really nice. And then you would love this restaurant. So I'm actually going to take

00:37:04.560 the time just to Doma Cafe is walkable. Where? You'll die for it.

00:37:08.920 Yeah. Doma. Okay. I had an, I had a truly explosive

00:37:11.920 lunch there and I was like, this is what I need. I need to go. I'm going to go

00:37:16.560 from Rome to Chicago, have a couple nights, have a night before the show or two

00:37:20.640 nights before the show. Then I head down to Minneapolis slash St. Paul

00:37:24.680 still can't fully wrap my head around the difference

00:37:26.840 because they're right on top of each other.

00:37:30.660 Wait, wait, what am I writing down Rome?

00:37:31.940 Oh, no, I was trying to write, what is it, Domo?

00:37:33.580 What?

00:37:34.340 Doma, D-O-M-A, Doma Cafe in Chicago.

00:37:37.100 By the way, and I'm pretty sure I can reveal this.

00:37:39.460 Okay, I can't imagine I couldn't,

00:37:41.600 but learned from Pamela at Dirty French here at the Ludlow.

00:37:46.080 Oh, no, oh, no.

00:37:47.440 What's wrong?

00:37:47.980 Oh, no.

00:37:48.580 What?

00:37:49.040 You deleted your money?

00:37:50.320 Tell me, tell me now.

00:37:52.100 I booked my, oh, my God, how did this happen?

00:37:55.480 Hang on, hang on.

00:37:55.940 Something tells me there's a way out.

00:37:57.400 Can we just know what it is?

00:37:58.420 Oh, my God.

00:37:59.060 Can we know what it is now, please?

00:38:00.700 Hang on.

00:38:01.180 Yes, but I'm telling you.

00:38:01.920 Oh, my goodness.

00:38:04.380 Let us in.

00:38:05.740 Okay, hang on, hang on.

00:38:06.580 I'm beet red.

00:38:07.560 With anger?

00:38:08.880 Humiliation?

00:38:09.620 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:38:10.260 I'm the stupidest cunt in the fucking world. 1.00

00:38:14.120 Tell me now. 1.00

00:38:15.240 Okay, I'm going to tell you right now, and it's really upsetting.

00:38:17.820 All right.

00:38:18.600 I booked, not hastily, okay?

00:38:22.140 Go after London shows, doing a little trip to Italy,

00:38:24.920 a couple nights in Florence, a couple nights in Rome. I fucking was really excited to book this,

00:38:29.520 oh my God, this hotel in Florence. Not exorbitantly expensive, but definitely not fucking cheap. 0.98

00:38:33.820 You booked the wrong hotel? 0.91

00:38:34.420 No, sweetheart. I booked the wrong day. I booked it for, I thought, a month from today. I'm getting

00:38:38.420 emails right now from the hotel going, what time do you expect to arrive? I go, wow, that's kind

00:38:42.160 of ahead of the time. They're like, okay, what time do you expect to arrive? I go, oh, uh-huh.

00:38:47.100 And they go, thank you for the prompt response. My colleague will wait for you tonight. Please

00:38:50.880 ring the bell once you arrive downstairs i go oh my god okay it's called you know what i think

00:38:57.120 this might be the date oh my god like like being like march it's april being 10 oh my god it's 0.94

00:39:05.920 fucking expensive did i just throw that down the fucking tube i don't okay hold on hold on hold on 0.91

00:39:11.400 first of all not necessarily some places have pretty good policies okay so i think you're gonna 0.99

00:39:18.520 to have to call and you're going to go I'm really confused because I tried to reserve this for a

00:39:25.120 month from now here's what I'm saying Kate I just think there's a chance that you're not trying to

00:39:29.460 say I accidentally reserved your hotel I don't intend to stay there it's a I thought I reserved

00:39:34.060 it for next month switch me please I I think there's hope so what are you doing writing back

00:39:39.640 what's going on yes I'm just like I'm like all right so are we are you gonna no no I'm still

00:39:45.500 with you i know i know i'm just wondering if if you i understand the urgency okay you're right 0.54

00:39:51.280 back i let it go listen listen if i just who fucking cares you're fine okay it either fix 0.76

00:39:56.340 you either get the money back or you don't either way your mood is your own i love you it's fine 0.93

00:40:00.940 it's fine it'll it'll it'll come back you know what's just funny i'll just say this yeah the what

00:40:07.200 the website for this hotel this italian hotel was especially sort of confusing where i kept

00:40:12.560 selecting dates

00:40:13.360 and then it would erase them

00:40:15.220 I'm open to blaming the website

00:40:17.980 but I'm open to blaming myself

00:40:20.040 I should have double checked

00:40:22.520 the dates

00:40:23.020 I really should have double checked the dates

00:40:25.300 I like a place with a loose policy

00:40:27.940 on flexibility 0.92

00:40:29.480 part of the reason why I fucking booked this place 0.91

00:40:31.480 is they have 48 hour cancellation 0.97

00:40:33.140 refundability

00:40:34.140 okay interesting

00:40:35.180 I booked for today

00:40:38.220 what time is it in Italy 1.00

00:40:40.200 who fucking cares I'm such a fucking idiot 1.00

00:40:42.740 it's alright 1.00

00:40:43.660 maybe though I said can anything be done

00:40:45.420 yeah great you wrote it now you let go

00:40:48.120 don't worry about it

00:40:48.820 I mean you hope for the best

00:40:52.200 but you don't need to do a big

00:40:54.020 you don't need to make it indelible in the hippocampus

00:40:56.560 this trauma to try to

00:40:58.140 make sure you never do it again

00:40:59.900 I mean don't pay twice

00:41:01.380 I'm going to do a major don't pay twice on this one

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00:42:53.060 And I go, you know, since last I was here, now I'm basically plant-based most of the time.

00:42:59.560 And whatever.

00:43:00.780 Anyway, I had a delicious cauliflower steak.

00:43:02.460 Are you still more in a hotel?

00:43:03.880 No, I'm with you.

00:43:04.840 All right.

00:43:06.580 Can it lift you again?

00:43:08.180 But you've got any New York Rex right now.

00:43:10.000 I'm kind of thinking. 0.99

00:43:10.620 You're not going to want them though.

00:43:11.800 They're meat heavy.

00:43:13.340 You know what I really want?

00:43:14.340 Mexican food.

00:43:15.160 So just got to think about that.

00:43:17.380 Any Mexican recommendations?

00:43:18.460 I mean, I would say go down to Haas snack bar. 1.00

00:43:20.520 It's all the rage.

00:43:21.060 But again, I don't think it's going to – it's definitely not plant-based.

00:43:25.840 Wait, that's what it's – but there's always something.

00:43:27.940 I mean, I can put something together.

00:43:29.940 It's the hottest place in town.

00:43:31.200 What's it called? 1.00

00:43:32.740 Haas, H-A-S.

00:43:34.240 Really?

00:43:35.080 Yeah. 0.98

00:43:35.420 And you're telling me it's Mexican? 0.80

00:43:37.060 No, it's not Mexican.

00:43:38.220 Oh, you're just giving me a hot – 1.00

00:43:39.700 Mexican, I don't know. 1.00

00:43:40.880 I don't really have Mexican spots in New York, to be honest.

00:43:43.280 That's not my –

00:43:43.820 Well, I did go to like – there was this – I can't remember right now,

00:43:47.260 But it was a kind of vegan Mexican place that barely used nuts and it was delicious.

00:43:53.480 I talked about it before in the podcast, but I've forgotten it.

00:43:55.800 Why can't I remember?

00:43:57.080 297 Broom, you say?

00:43:58.700 It's down there.

00:43:59.420 It's convenient for you.

00:44:00.560 I see a carrot salad.

00:44:03.400 I'm letting it go.

00:44:04.320 I see a chanterelle toast.

00:44:06.180 If the hotel charges me, they charge me. 0.96

00:44:09.080 There's nothing I can fucking do about it. 0.95

00:44:10.780 Absolutely. 0.96

00:44:11.600 And I just say, well, I'm donating to a fine establishment.

00:44:14.360 I mean, you just have to believe, Kate, that there are times where you're getting, where money is falling your way.

00:44:23.180 It's just, it's fine.

00:44:24.040 Completely, completely.

00:44:24.840 And it's fine, just as you know it.

00:44:27.000 It's just, it's also like the ADD thing. 0.71

00:44:28.820 Like, I'm remembering me there on the couch, booking it, feeling so fucking good about myself.

00:44:32.600 Like, look at me, like, because it's the kind of thing that I'd put off, like booking travel and being like, oh no, the prices are going up by the day, but I can't bring myself to make the decisions, you know.

00:44:42.200 And there I was cross-legged on the couch, tap, tap, tap, book this Airbnb, book that Airbnb, get this hotel.

00:44:49.100 Yeah, making choices.

00:44:50.560 And making choices and just feeling like, well, you know what, it's, you know, I just.

00:44:56.080 No, well, this is the dramatization, okay?

00:44:57.920 This is the human instinct to dramatize, okay?

00:45:00.860 So you're going, the irony, oh, the irony.

00:45:04.180 I sat down, I said, I'm finally doing it.

00:45:07.000 I'm finally conquering a life from a beast.

00:45:08.680 I know, I know.

00:45:09.340 And I do it.

00:45:09.860 And then would you believe, would you believe, it's just very interesting.

00:45:14.180 Like it's literally, it is our, our commitment to dramatic narrative, right?

00:45:20.600 It's so deep in us.

00:45:22.340 I know.

00:45:23.180 That you can't, there's meaning.

00:45:25.160 You have to find meaning.

00:45:26.040 You're going, you're going like, it's almost like the audience is with you.

00:45:29.540 Like the audience was there.

00:45:30.880 They saw, they saw you rally, right?

00:45:34.500 Yeah.

00:45:35.340 To, to, to, to make decisions.

00:45:37.420 You did it.

00:45:37.980 And now this, so what is this?

00:45:39.840 This is a play about, this is a tragedy, right?

00:45:42.760 In which, actually no, tragedies usually have the tragic flaw.

00:45:45.640 There was none here.

00:45:46.520 It's almost like this is a tale of injustice.

00:45:50.080 The universe, not rewarding.

00:45:53.200 Again, just life, as I always say, life is impossible. 0.94

00:45:56.120 It's just like the website, like, and again, I'm sorry, but the website was fucking confusing.

00:46:02.480 Multiple times I had to refresh and whatever.

00:46:04.500 I was like, no, no, no, this date, the 6th.

00:46:06.540 It was like the 4th.

00:46:07.480 I was like, the 6th, the 7th, the 6th.

00:46:10.280 Yeah, I've actually, I've had a few experiences like that where you have to learn.

00:46:14.800 You have to learn the glitch of the website in order to use it.

00:46:17.540 There it is, okay.

00:46:18.560 Like Delta, crashing all the time. 0.97

00:46:20.220 Well, Delta, literally, are you fucking kidding when you arrive at the airport 0.95

00:46:25.160 or you're trying to check in and it's just like, can't. 0.90

00:46:29.840 It's like, can't, won't load.

00:46:31.380 It's like a joke.

00:46:32.380 It's actually like if you get within a certain mileage of the airport,

00:46:35.340 the Delta app crumbles.

00:46:37.480 yeah i know okay i know but but when you learn the glitch of a website when you learn the way

00:46:42.660 around some websites thing and then now now you've been you've been trained by them on their

00:46:49.880 their glitch and you're like oh right it's this thing where i always have to say the date ahead

00:46:54.660 of the date to get the date i actually want yes or oh it doesn't load i know it doesn't load in a

00:46:59.960 way where like like the page doesn't go all the way down like like it won't you try to scroll down

00:47:04.400 it won't let you it's chaos on there i have like an overwhelming need for pastry to make this right

00:47:10.600 well there's pastries i'm looking at the box right now well what kind i was i went to a very

00:47:16.600 fancy deluxe baby shower yesterday at republic on la brea and they had they had it was a full

00:47:23.540 service brunch set like menu of like i mean it was endless the food was endless it was really 0.98

00:47:27.920 fucking good and i have to say it's where i had the best in restaurant matcha latte of my fucking 0.91

00:47:31.920 really yes well it's my part of town it was it was exquisite i still have not been to republic 0.98

00:47:37.080 the pastries they just pastries pastries on every table that were so gorgeous and then then at the

00:47:42.740 end of the event everyone's leaving leaving leaving mounds of pastries left they bring out

00:47:47.920 boxes here you know box up what you want i got my days confused i thought i was going to my

00:47:51.800 parents house today so i boxed up a bunch of pastries loaded up but here i am without what

00:47:56.680 are they croissants i'm gonna take a bite of this one there were croissants but this is what i don't

00:48:00.020 even know what this is let's see okay that's what i was hoping so we've got a like a custardy or a

00:48:06.920 you know a we've got a berry bursting it's helping pastry dough flaky pastry dough i love it unreal

00:48:14.700 is there anything we need to wrap up because we should say goodbye to the public feed goodbye

00:48:20.160 i love you we're gonna we'll see what happens with the italy italy hotel my guess is absolutely 1.00

00:48:27.660 no refunds they're gonna go are you crazy like you fucked up it's my guess you just have to 0.99

00:48:31.860 emotionally detach from those particular dollars it's fine yep yeah you'll survive anyway love you 1.00

00:48:37.360 love you

Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - April 29, 2025

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