Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - I Work Days

00:00:00.000 two best friends both alike in dignity nurturing phantoms and courting the muse 0.59

00:00:07.220 the hag divines when something must die yes that was poog but this is huge the ego loves to seek

00:00:13.720 but never to find it was berlant and novak the whole time 0.81

00:00:17.920 there she is boys maybe we'll meet at a club and fall so deeply in love

00:00:25.980 daddy said not to go downtown you know that is hamilton no i never saw it daddy says to be home

00:00:35.960 at sundown daddy said not to go downtown that's from hamilton it's been um oh my god yeah you

00:00:44.080 don't know hamilton no i don't oh my god it rules oh hamilton's like hamilton's like oh

00:00:52.020 ah it's like literally hamilton's like these songs are like no really yeah there's some very erotic

00:00:59.580 ones if that's what you're reacting to wow well by the way i think obviously we're recording right

00:01:05.840 we're in turned him on and we're in here's my question hot mic because i can't hear myself

00:01:11.220 does it sound like i'm using a microphone you sound right all right great so this is a huge

00:01:17.080 episode episode in the sense that this is where you you come to you come to barnes and noble

00:01:24.560 to be lifted by yes me being lifted because we're gonna lift you doll i i got a text from

00:01:34.780 jackman that was amazing i love this is like a couple hours ago she said praying to the angels

00:01:38.980 for help is that what you said or i'm asking the angels to help yeah specifically because i'm in

00:01:42.080 ireland i'm in dublin i was like this town's filled with like irish fairies i think and

00:01:47.480 spirits of the woods oh nice i don't know i forget but there's a lot of mystical here and i was like

00:01:53.240 maybe it'll help me because i have a cold cold plus travel so i have an announcement which is

00:02:01.280 today i felt what are your exact symptoms because i felt a little something i was supposed to go to

00:02:07.040 dinner tonight and i canceled because i went i need to rest i need to stay in and take a bath

00:02:11.000 and it's like a slight thing i'm convinced i can beat it i need to be chugging you know what's

00:02:16.300 crazy mining water what about the cold because you know anytime anything happens i start i start

00:02:23.500 researching right and like i couldn't bring myself to do anything and there was something earlier i

00:02:29.580 go this is an example the fact that i'm googling this thing there's nothing to do with anything

00:02:33.440 anyway it doesn't matter point is the cold it's like you can get exposed and then you are showing

00:02:40.700 symptoms in like a day okay so i got scared crazy i took the train we're gonna get to that

00:02:48.660 last couple days didn't wear a mask i'm still masked on the plane folks and i till death i

00:02:54.720 think i will be for the rest of my life and i on the train for whatever reason i was like it's so 0.96

00:02:59.020 fun i'm like it's a train no the the the plane is more ventilated a hundred fucking percent because 0.70

00:03:05.360 of the the freak right the hvac yeah yeah like it's a whole thing and then i was on the train 0.91

00:03:11.280 something about i just felt like i'm on a train like whatever yeah i can't explain it it's again

00:03:15.140 because it's not rational and then there was a guy sitting across from me sniffling the whole

00:03:19.960 time coughing not didn't like didn't look sick and i was like maybe it's you know yeah allergies

00:03:25.040 i know we all pray to allergies and it was one of those things where i just i just had to surrender

00:03:29.420 and something about and then i almost wanted to protect his feelings i was like if i go dig in

00:03:33.580 my bag and get a mask out because he's coughed five times i know like well there's the protection

00:03:38.820 i'm protecting him don't i know it's unbelievable and so when i felt it and jack and i were just

00:03:44.680 together so maybe we have a similar thing it's definitely not it's not even remotely

00:03:49.020 i'm convinced i can fix it tonight with magnesium bath in bed water does seem like you can wellness

00:03:57.260 i wish i was reading about zinc i was like you know every time i took the words out of my mouth

00:04:01.260 real is it real right you google zinc when it's coming i'll tell you about what yeah well no here's

00:04:05.540 what the zinc because i looked into this recently when i had a cold i wonder if you learned the

00:04:09.060 same thing i did it was from huberman because it was i listened to a huberman lab episode about

00:04:13.520 the common cold yeah and let me tell you this he goes the research on zinc can't believe it 0.75

00:04:17.980 preemptive it's bullshit but if you're actually feeling it he said he said when you're actually 0.70

00:04:22.480 sick it does diminish it's not gonna shorten right it's not gonna prevent you from getting 0.97

00:04:28.540 one it's not but if you're feeling it but you know you know what's interesting they were like

00:04:32.720 the lozenge whatever and then it was like oh but can't you just take the pills if you hate the

00:04:38.060 taste or whatever because and it was like no it's like because something about the lozenge the zinc

00:04:43.600 actually coating the tongue and the whole thing it's like it's directly attacking it and i've had

00:04:49.240 trouble because i used to try the zinc and then i think i vomited a couple times from the zinc the

00:04:55.540 the pill or the lozenge i think the lozenge i was like it is yeah it's a lot so i'll say one thing

00:05:03.820 that he were men i don't even know like i feel like he's the connotations of him are that he's

00:05:07.920 like joe rogan adjacent like i don't even know how i got in there but he also said he's like and

00:05:12.880 kind of a uh an old world kind of thing that people do but i've been doing it for a few months

00:05:18.960 and i think it is good connected to immunity is that truly when you wake up yeah you take a sip

00:05:25.140 of water you swish it around your mouth and you swallow it ew i know okay so interesting and

00:05:31.160 unexpected so so you're telling me this is about all the bacteria from the night that you want to 0.98

00:05:36.020 get in there because they are going to fight off a cold something like that i have no fucking clue 0.90

00:05:40.240 but he said it's a thing you wake up i mean you just swish it around and swallow it crazy i don't 0.82

00:05:46.400 know what that means very interesting okay so there's so much to say so should we just i've

00:05:52.200 ever felt well no because i think we're gonna save it because oh we're saving it because we're

00:05:58.800 pushing it off yeah yeah well we're gonna tell them we're gonna tell them we're spelling it out 0.96

00:06:03.960 right now no yeah paris episode bonus get in there folks god you're a fucking genius okay 0.97

00:06:10.940 a couple of girls a couple of girls spent a night in paris together that's all i'll say 0.97

00:06:15.360 and you want that shit in paris i'm getting deja vu this is significant the paris trip must be 0.99

00:06:22.200 We've lived this a thousand times. 0.99

00:06:23.720 Very significant.

00:06:25.500 So, yeah, because I think Paris will deserve its own moment by moment breakdown.

00:06:29.220 Yeah.

00:06:29.540 It'll include a full psychological breakdown of you.

00:06:32.180 Well, I can't wait for my assessment.

00:06:33.700 It'll involve an amazing tale of food.

00:06:38.480 I think I might do a grid.

00:06:40.160 I think I might do something I've never done, which is a grid carousel, vacation carousel of Paris.

00:06:47.200 By the way, I need my picks from you, doll.

00:06:49.320 i know this is the problem because i always take so many that it's like

00:06:52.480 because i just leave the camera rolling you know i just send them all i know i know

00:06:56.260 you can't handle this amount of data but then the reason i'm like hold off on paris because

00:07:00.220 that's this whole conversation because right now i feel like i am in dublin and

00:07:06.120 i'm in my own hell of a hotel no sleep travel it's everything it's everything we talk about

00:07:16.240 i'm in the worst version and i i laugh at you i scoff at you for your planning weeks in advance

00:07:21.240 oh i should have this in my bag blah blah blah i don't laugh at you but you know what i'm saying

00:07:25.100 right and then right now here i am going what was it i go i'll never travel again without it oh 0.99

00:07:30.900 you ready sudafed the good shit you know you can't get it over the counter the true sudafed 0.99

00:07:35.980 guess what they give you guess what you can fucking get in the uk jacklyn and i got two of 0.99

00:07:41.500 them and i'm probably going to get two more they have pseudofed nose spray here it's nowhere in 0.99

00:07:46.200 the states that shit is mother's milk okay now interesting because i was looking in a french 0.98

00:07:52.160 pharmacy now do you think they might have it there no no that's where they said like no you 0.99

00:07:56.820 need a prescription oh fuck i think i have been through that there so but now i'm in the in

00:08:03.280 ireland what do they can't get melatonin either here really yeah so i'm going i've also never 0.98

00:08:09.740 felt and you know this is interesting i haven't felt this hideous years okay fascinating and i 0.91

00:08:18.180 don't it's due to it's a interior feeling of i mean it's fucking travel man you know it's funny 0.94

00:08:28.560 because i was looking at you the other night at dinner yeah and i was like she's beautiful 0.86

00:08:31.740 really yeah it wasn't even dinner it's the light of day actually oh my it was like full like 1 p.m

00:08:38.840 sun blasting your face yeah it's fabulous um god there's so i mean there's just yeah but

00:08:45.200 no it's good because it'll because the thing is i feel like right now i want to sit in i want to

00:08:53.720 sit in in the stew of the uk and ireland a little bit okay because that's it's where you are now

00:09:00.200 that's why you feel ugly okay and and then we can vacation in paris on the bonus episode you see i'm

00:09:08.360 saying okay great we've already been but i'm like we have to be where we are right now i feel like

00:09:13.100 totally and i feel like and we'll talk about paris but you i had to be like because i was thinking

00:09:18.380 about you going you're fixated on paris and we'll talk about your fixation later but now that you're

00:09:22.440 back in london like don't forget london well no london is its own so because i got back from

00:09:28.640 paris to be clear i was there for one night and like you know i went early the day before i spent

00:09:33.500 night went later in the day so i got a good amount and it actually radicalized me toward travel

00:09:38.440 toward the one-day trip the two-day trip yeah i mean obviously paris to london i mean you know

00:09:43.880 it's a two-hour train it's like very simple journey but i go oh you know you hear someone

00:09:50.200 go oh go to florence for three nights yeah three nights two nights go go like if you can go yeah

00:09:58.460 you can do i'm gonna go back to paris i've already decided for two nights after my london shows 0.99

00:10:02.660 um why not like two nights anyway met some lovely but hags in uk i'm sure they'll be at your show

00:10:11.320 too can't wait tickets on sale late april to early may 0.99

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00:11:41.660 Um, but wait, wait, wait, also the, oh, but back to the fixation. Oh yeah. Classic thing

00:11:46.720 my parents did i'll just say i got back and i and i go i'm gonna go back i almost went back again

00:11:52.540 well i know save it okay okay you almost went back right now so so but let's let's live in

00:11:59.280 london because the last time why are you feeling ugly though it's not like i'm feeling it like

00:12:03.880 i think i am well what is it okay having a cold doesn't feel gorgeous okay no it doesn't make 0.97

00:12:13.280 and to go damn i mean and not to have the meds i normally take that would knock it on its ass 0.95

00:12:20.120 where it just dries you up to be like running for a tissue oh yeah and then and then i am the 1.00

00:12:27.260 bastard i was like the fucking bastard in the airport trying not to like i wasn't coughing 1.00

00:12:31.200 thank god yeah and try to obscure the sight of me like fucking blowing my nose by a trash can 1.00

00:12:37.400 i mean i'm it's crazy it's like when you're the one i know no when you're the one no this is 0.98

00:12:42.500 exactly it sometimes it happens you're like you're like i gotta go pick up my child in another

00:12:47.320 country what can i do perform no but you know what i mean like yeah it's like oh my god kate

00:12:53.540 though today i was glancing up a storm okay because reduced you know politeness levels due to

00:13:03.300 exhaustion i was straight up going i was like about what okay so the long line that is for

00:13:13.260 boarding right yeah i'm on an unfamiliar air lingus right yeah graphic yeah i know it's chaos

00:13:21.820 trying to get my way through anyway i hate an unfamiliar airline i know i'm like this is what

00:13:27.840 this is what delta prays for but i'm realizing i'm gonna have to get some kind of i like thought

00:13:34.000 delta was worldwide i'm a fool i was like surely they fly everywhere i guess i gotta go find they

00:13:39.980 fly a lot of find more about emirates or whatever oh yeah so where was i oh yeah i'm in line

00:13:47.680 and everyone is silent except for one woman just really performing her playing corporate like

00:13:58.580 performing and playing corporate on the phone debriefing about a situation with a couple of

00:14:04.840 clients to clearly another co-worker so it's like you actually don't need to this be really

00:14:09.720 like this call could wait because it's your own team right it's not like you're getting reamed

00:14:14.560 out by the client oh my god that's amazing it's like so what's she doing it's like i can't do a

00:14:19.200 british accent you know or i don't feel prepared to maybe you could but it was like well i love

00:14:26.380 getting feedback from but when we get the feedback and i said you know like it's just horrible okay

00:14:32.060 it's going on and on and on and it's laughably loud and there are moments that pop with loudness

00:14:36.140 okay and each of those i really use and i let her see my full face okay usually it's just head

00:14:41.200 motion i turn around like no i'm too shy to make eye contact yeah yeah yeah i'm like i'm like

00:14:46.320 just showing your disapproval yeah acting like what what could that sound possibly be that's

00:14:54.920 insane how can i even do this it is outrageous to do that you can't do that it's well i talked

00:15:00.440 about on the show outrageous the woman next to me of course with the audition the woman going

00:15:04.580 remind me is it possible i had to have when i was no i had to have who was like i'm never flying 0.99

00:15:11.780 commercial again oh that yeah that was same thing and her doing her lines and her doing her big

00:15:17.060 performance of like right right well listen you've done the tv thing this is a real role

00:15:21.000 and of course and do we need to call and then being like do i need to call michael or whatever

00:15:25.140 you know and it was just like and i and i've seen that happen similar it's similar corporate thing

00:15:29.920 of like well i've got the files and yeah well then the deal's got to go through and if the deal

00:15:33.600 doesn't go through then exactly then we're gonna have an issue or whatever exactly it's like i

00:15:37.760 don't know if this is you're really wheeling and dealing because i try to go because i go are there

00:15:43.740 moments where again it's like i'm the one blowing my nose are there moments where i'm the one going 0.92

00:15:47.900 you know what you know what this is some serious shit right now like i can't get off the phone so 0.90

00:15:52.840 these people got to listen today i'm that guy i'm going am i ever that right i mean i'm trying to 0.96

00:15:57.440 think what it would be like i think i'm embarrassed to say in my maybe when i was like 20 years old

00:16:02.100 yeah like maybe i maybe i had a little fun being like well i've got a show

00:16:07.440 oh yeah i could imagine like but i'm talking about when i was a teenager yeah essentially

00:16:12.720 yeah maybe i let myself kind of be like yeah well yeah yeah i got a show so uh you know in public i

00:16:19.340 had a oh of course well but then excuse me i've got a show and you're over it but yeah but i had

00:16:25.760 a cab driver it was like hired by the tourism board or you know paid by the tourism board

00:16:30.860 of ireland it was like a dream he's like an old irish cabbie like whatever i mean that's new york

00:16:36.980 but but he's like you brought the sunshine with you i can't do it okay i'm doing you i'm doing

00:16:41.380 jew yeah he's like and then he's like i actually got a little bit of him but he's like and then

00:16:46.040 he was cracking jokes like he's like this one left weight watchers too early that one left

00:16:52.200 weight watchers too early and then i know i know and then and then and that one left right time

00:16:58.300 or whatever okay yeah i was like of course like cackling up a storm because all i do

00:17:03.940 by that point yeah too tired to hide exactly because it's odd how how i fall in and just

00:17:14.800 embrace that humor on his of course well what are you gonna do like you know like i don't think

00:17:21.760 that's like yeah come on what are you gonna do hey you know i actually i actually don't appreciate

00:17:27.080 that humor yeah and i wish you wouldn't talk about women or anyone's body like that

00:17:30.920 and you know it's just like in what world it's a huge question because

00:17:36.360 you know and then and then i mean they're you're all there are sorts of things like that

00:17:41.220 and then he's like oh listen it's not going to be on hollywood and vine tonight or whatever

00:17:44.700 okay and then you know he was a charmer although it's kind of interesting you know because he

00:17:51.800 talked several times about the women they want to you know i keep doing jewish i'm not going to try

00:17:56.940 to do the accent just pull out of the accent i'm like the women in ireland yeah he's like he's like

00:18:03.780 he's like did this other joke about the women want to get fit i tell him nothing's good she's 0.58

00:18:10.620 running she wants to get fit i tell her nothing's better exercise than a good shag you know she

00:18:14.740 didn't take me up on it no no no okay i'm like ha ha yeah i know what you mean i slip into like 0.54

00:18:22.120 i had this ain't that the truth like no no say oh i i hear that i i've always in that

00:18:28.820 you don't tell me it's like just on repeat all that stuff i told you about i was transformed

00:18:33.740 when i was in chicago took a car to the airport and the driver was intensely sweet and and then

00:18:41.640 you know what do you do whatever and at that point we were like almost to the airport and i was like

00:18:45.960 you know i'm actually a comedian i know whatever and then and then he was like here's a joke for

00:18:52.900 you i was like oh you know and he was like what do you call someone and i was like an australian

00:18:58.920 guy fuck i've lost it i mean those it's like impossible to even street joke but it was yeah 0.83

00:19:03.520 it was something like what do you call an australian person who likes white rice but not brown 0.99

00:19:09.380 rice a racist not bad no and i was like yeah i was like oh that's a good one you're saying

00:19:19.580 nothing you can say except that's a good one i know like because what and you know it's a typical

00:19:23.980 like i don't have the normal lines i go interesting or something i go tell yeah that he was funny

00:19:29.080 right like it was weird like that like obviously but like there was no the joke it wasn't the joke

00:19:34.480 no i was like you're something about him i was like you've got it he had and then he had a special

00:19:40.780 energy we connected and then at the end he was like he did the thing where he took a call and

00:19:45.620 immediately was like i'm like i can't talk right now you know and i was like oh don't you know

00:19:50.420 hold back for me yeah feel free to take a call if you take a call he was like i really appreciate

00:19:54.220 you sending that courtesy for i don't want to talk to the person that called me i was like okay

00:19:58.220 god that's genius i mean he's got um berlanti berlanti in there he's got berlant berlant in

00:20:04.960 there it's one of the greatest shows imagine we release a couple episodes that are re-woven so 0.78

00:20:12.500 that's me talking to me and you talking to you yeah we really that'd be really fucked up we can 0.77

00:20:16.960 do that but have to be woven be hell but wait so he then but then he keeps going with these other 0.98

00:20:24.100 things where he's like tuxing i don't know about a likes long-legged blonde okay oh my god he got

00:20:29.640 a lot at some point and then he's like i forget where he said he's going on vacation this woman's

00:20:36.900 gonna meet him there and he said get there early because if you get there after the norwegians are

00:20:42.000 there i'll be gone you'll miss me because he'll run off with one of the norwegian girls basically

00:20:46.980 oh of course maybe this is maybe this is why i felt hideous because then he's like what do you

00:20:52.700 what outfit what do you dress up as on stage and i'm like here we go i was like well sometimes

00:20:59.960 depending on my material i feel i have to offset the vulgarity of my last show with uh yeah you

00:21:08.060 know to let them know it's all about idea they always ask what kind of humor you do and it's

00:21:12.040 you know it's like if i could describe it i wouldn't need to do it yeah yeah wow that's good

00:21:17.700 but that's a good line i should say that instead i go cerebral sometimes yeah okay people say

00:21:23.780 political no no i stay away from that that's good or whatever you know they love that you

00:21:28.480 stay away from that that's smart you know again i've slipped into rabbinical it's hell why is 0.55

00:21:33.180 rabbinical the only voice

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00:23:06.600 in Dublin how's that how's that hotel well it's god all I want to do is talk hotels I know I know

00:23:12.760 can you believe i switched rooms oh my god after everything that tell you about you moaned the fact

00:23:17.280 that you were psychotically keeping all your bags packed so no i realized considering wanting to

00:23:22.640 switch rooms i had a deep psychological realization about myself which was that again i'm here in

00:23:28.440 london for a month right work is putting me up nice place you know kind of like extended stay

00:23:33.640 hotel but it's a nice one there's a kitchen but it's like it's it's well appointed okay and

00:23:37.540 i requested a room with a bathtub they go yep i get here room has no tub i'm like okay well yeah

00:23:42.380 but the room was nice it was really light-filled and it was very quiet i'm even like i'm having

00:23:48.040 the thing right now in this moment i'm feeling homesick for my old room and that will pass yeah

00:23:51.460 yeah yeah but i almost feel like i abandoned like i feel like i'm cheating on of course someone

00:23:55.700 right now like it's really you feel bad for the old room i feel i feel bad for the old room and

00:23:59.900 i feel like the room no no it's fine the room's going are you crazy because here's the thing

00:24:05.500 about the old room yeah oh it's hard to talk about i start to get okay so here's the thing

00:24:09.280 with the old room i mean this is goldilocks this is this is syndrome syndrome i mean i mean it's

00:24:15.240 amazing right profound here's the thing about here's the thing about the old room by the way

00:24:19.620 the pod is lifting me once again the pod is lifting this guy high always always always so a

00:24:25.380 wall of the room was very far away from the lobby which is a little annoying like i kind of had to

00:24:29.260 walk a lot to get there up a thing and then another thing around but but as a result it was

00:24:33.440 very quiet analysis yeah it was like way in the back of the hotel okay way in the back the furthest

00:24:39.200 corner so i was up against the exterior of the building like i didn't have i only had one shared

00:24:44.100 wall i'm trying to say the rest of it was just the outside lights pouring in okay oh i know what

00:24:49.920 you're thinking what so here's an issue the bathroom was one of those tiny little like

00:24:54.180 coffin showers yeah where you just have to like open it get in because the water splashes out

00:24:58.280 big in europe it seems basically no sink space whatsoever and the bathroom is just big enough

00:25:05.820 to have the toilet and the coffin shower and is right off the bedroom and here's an issue for me

00:25:09.760 i'm very light sensitive in the morning light pouring and blinding light every morning from

00:25:14.760 because there's no door to the glass door blinding curtains so yes but the blind the blackout curtains

00:25:21.880 are rendered null oh because it's a glass door the bathroom the bathroom has light oh yeah sorry

00:25:28.880 so slipped oh no you're perfect so you know but i like the room it's quiet i'm getting good sleep 0.92

00:25:34.920 here i go i mean i gotta say sleeping like a fucking dog yeah up there it's quiet it's nice 0.98

00:25:41.100 comfortable i'm comfortable oh god what have i done you had to know knowledge and i found myself 0.98

00:25:46.560 so i was there for three weeks i never fucking a little under three weeks living out of a suitcase 0.85

00:25:53.740 which is because it isn't that uncommon in a hotel but i'm like why am i not unpacking why 0.90

00:25:58.100 don't i hang this up why don't i put something in a drawer and because i had this i was entertaining

00:26:04.040 the whole time this cycle i had the psychological freedom of i could move and i talked they must

00:26:08.460 think i'm crazy because at the front desk i think maybe three different times ago i might want to

00:26:12.000 switch the room or the tub they're like okay yeah we can talk about that like and i just never i

00:26:17.520 just never could commit to that even because you know life gets busy and i thought that's not so

00:26:20.680 bad and so then this morning actually with the the blinding light of course i have my silk eye mask

00:26:27.560 i put on but every morning it's blinding i have to and i go maybe you want to get out of here

00:26:31.460 they're not blinded by the light anymore okay so then i go they go yeah we have a room

00:26:37.220 right now change and for going because you were up yeah you were just taking risks exactly and

00:26:43.240 and we'll see and i have to say it's not even that i feel regret right now i just feel an actual

00:26:48.840 longing for the old room and yeah kind of feel personification of like my old bed like it's like

00:26:54.000 where is she and like she's had many lovers she'll have many lovers that's true so you know maybe she 0.77

00:26:59.340 was tired of you after three goddamn weeks i know it's very possible so then the front desk they let 0.81

00:27:04.320 me look in this room i look around i gotta say it's nice i'll show you it's nice big bathroom 0.97

00:27:09.200 big tub huge counter you know it's nice i keep saying that over and over again i think the

00:27:14.660 ceilings are a little higher it's like you know i mean like this is my little living room like

00:27:20.220 yeah so what's the negative okay so there is none i argue it's just my i'm living in fear of noise

00:27:28.320 like what if it's loud really but i don't think it's gonna happen but the woman i mean how softly

00:27:33.500 do you sleep i don't know i don't know i just have a sphere of it's i have a fear of sleep

00:27:38.480 disruption interesting i even said to her go it will be loud i was like you know i mean for work

00:27:42.960 like i really need to sleep i work days i work days she called me she was great she called me

00:27:50.300 as i was packing up i go she was like so do you want to move because if so i would have to

00:27:54.200 clear your other room now and i said so i just go split decision i go sure right and as i'm

00:28:00.040 packing up how do you feeling kind of before i got made the decision it's gonna be okay

00:28:03.620 she comes to help me take my stuff in the cart and i say to her and i was like this i'm seeking

00:28:08.640 reassurance from her i go you know this room has been great i was like this room has been great

00:28:13.200 you know it's really quiet she goes it is very quiet over here on the side you go oh no no no

00:28:17.440 and i go i go you know i have a week left here i thought why not why not have a tub and i said i

00:28:23.980 think twice my back will thank me i said that maybe twice three times when it slips out the

00:28:28.420 same phrase you know what i mean my back will thank me and i kind of did this thing of putting

00:28:33.460 my hands to my back oh my back's gonna feel so good at the top like oh my god this whole thing

00:28:39.860 and then i and i said to her i go you know i just thought might as well you know change the scenery

00:28:43.100 for a week i'm trying to give you anything she goes she goes you're begging for it smiled and

00:28:48.080 went sure like oh you know or she was like people are like i suppose i can't decide for you and

00:28:54.380 you're like but i'm asking you to but here i am and i'm gonna unpack by the way i already had i

00:28:58.680 already told myself i can move back if i want i mean there's not there's got to be some other

00:29:01.840 anxiety i don't think there's got to be some other anxiety kate i really hope i see funneling into

00:29:06.500 like non-issue you know there's no issue and when i got into the room the old room i went i love it

00:29:14.760 like i actually loved it i really wanted the bath and i even bought bath salts like i bought a tub

00:29:19.680 of magnesium flakes like you've made a financial investment and then last night last night i was 0.98

00:29:24.880 like it really would feel good to take a fucking bath like because in my normal life i take a bath 0.96

00:29:28.500 like almost every day yeah so tonight i'll take the bath and we'll see but yeah i'm feeling right 0.99

00:29:34.140 now a little bit of sadness and a little fear but i think it's gonna be okay you've got a tub

00:29:38.600 i know it's a great room oh my god

00:29:42.880 i mean what's the underlying anxiety is it just being away from home because there's obviously

00:29:50.540 one you're hunting for an issue you're hunting for an issue i think it's a homesickness

00:29:54.480 for just the familiarity of what the old room was for me for weeks and that i slept so well

00:29:59.580 what aquapana you know i love it okay look look i need to get water appeared here get it right now

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00:31:45.160 I also want to say that a man came to my door and knocked and he was horrified to see me in a robe,

00:31:49.460 said are you sleeping i'm sorry he's holding a tray okay you ready wait you know this clip about

00:31:55.840 lines it's like where you have anxiety because you don't win line because you're not waiting for

00:31:59.560 a table i'm saying when the line isn't for you boom that's it off it goes all right look he's

00:32:05.100 standing there this is a guy he's got a big smile on his face oh my god okay okay one of these she's

00:32:12.960 a plate of chocolate dip fruit and and what's funny that that's what you saw it's actually like

00:32:17.700 four different baked goods oh but it's like one of those trades a flight of dessert you know i can't

00:32:23.940 take a risk but and i look like hell and i'm like can you just hold this he's like looking away like

00:32:30.180 you know like i'm nude or something it's it's really but but anyway he's gone but he's got

00:32:34.840 mountain valley or he's got sam pellegrino he's got sans pellegrino and aquapana that's nice and

00:32:40.940 i go that's a nice man anything else we can do for you so anyway it's the dylan hotel in dublin

00:32:46.580 and it's it's very pristine very clean seems really well run you know it's not like the decor

00:32:54.920 is hip or something like you know it's like nothing you need that but just like yeah I don't

00:33:00.260 know it's it's something it's interesting okay hi give me more no I'm in for the night I'm so

00:33:07.760 last thing I'll say is that the lighting of my old my old room was very romantic

00:33:11.760 i cannot believe it's time for something new how long were you there three weeks

00:33:17.480 guys yeah it's too long without you heal me no i felt that when i was prancing down here

00:33:22.220 i was like you know what the way the way i serve you more souls of freedom but is it freedom

00:33:29.920 because it's a band-aid to of course a larger problem but give a band-aid to my friend i think

00:33:35.440 we gotta take it we gotta take what we can yeah yeah yeah well leave her out in the cold crying

00:33:40.100 because she'll like you know it's like sleep training oh no no like no right but maybe we'll

00:33:44.820 cry cry cry and eventually i mean you might as well it also is you know some of what i'm offering

00:33:50.180 is is enlightening illumination you know another way of looking at something and arguably

00:33:54.820 it's cognitive behavioral therapy if you ask me i agree um oh my god it's one woman i mean you

00:34:04.040 you know it's not that hard right but the the video is like to intrigue me there's one woman

00:34:09.040 really got me she's just like if you're not draining your neck okay drain your neck you know 0.98

00:34:16.100 and then and then and then she's like you know just like grab it pull it around pull it around

00:34:19.600 i saw the same thing i saw the same video jacqueline i saw the same video i know ladies

00:34:24.640 or whatever like and it's amazing how much tighter it is on one side and and and

00:34:30.100 by the way i recorded i think i told you like an hour and a half long video of myself packing for

00:34:36.680 the oh yeah fans and yeah just really for myself to see if it would help me because processing

00:34:43.560 allowed then like a real sicko I go I want to see if this is even remotely watchable in in kind of

00:34:49.820 that other weird way right of like nothing watching high art watch it back the wake-up call on the

00:34:57.980 postural imbalance is

00:35:00.220 here, Kate.

00:35:01.980 It is here. What do I think

00:35:03.940 I, you know, it's

00:35:05.980 I know. I'm always contorted.

00:35:10.100 It's time. Walking around

00:35:12.260 is like I'm wearing my

00:35:14.080 own back as a cape.

00:35:18.060 Okay, that's what it feels like.

00:35:20.620 It's gotta change.

00:35:22.760 It's gotta change.

00:35:23.980 It was a wake-up call. I'm like, but I was like,

00:35:26.360 the listeners can handle it.

00:35:27.980 that's like this will be the before video had a weird thing today at a you know restaurant oh

00:35:34.040 a very lauded restaurant oh really and i don't appreciate this when you order a steak okay yeah

00:35:39.980 it arrived the amount i just like i was like i want to like talk it's like

00:35:45.540 too fast the amount of fat oh okay it was so tough there was so much fat in it okay interesting now

00:35:54.880 here's my question but it wasn't melty it was like i heard i could hardly eat it it was like

00:36:00.020 what type of cut of meat okay so here's i get confused so they said wagyu and i thought okay

00:36:06.180 well that means it's gonna melt melt melt right i think wagyu though isn't it was like a cut of

00:36:11.820 saddle it's it's not a cut that's a kind of cow whatever yeah yeah so do you know like did it say

00:36:17.580 like ribeye or like no i just said it just said wagyu actually made a point of not saying the cut

00:36:22.660 it was like interesting and it wasn't a huge amount like it was like um like a and i just i

00:36:28.740 took a picture of it and i will be i will be posting on the pod i'm gonna show you right now

00:36:32.340 because you'll tell me what you think but i just was like it was the sort of thing where i almost

00:36:35.520 wanted and by the way i couldn't finish it even close to finish it it's almost like they got to

00:36:41.020 look at it and go oh like like does this show you like okay let me take that what are those capers

00:36:49.760 Black peppercorn. 0.80

00:36:50.680 Oh.

00:36:50.980 The peppercorn sauce was great.

00:36:52.160 I'm full.

00:36:52.460 But look at how, like.

00:36:55.200 I mean, the thing, though, is, like, the big chunk of fat on the side to me is kind of like, you're either someone that's going to eat that or not.

00:37:03.100 Yeah.

00:37:03.680 Like, it doesn't really offend me.

00:37:06.160 I don't know.

00:37:06.700 It's, it's, I just don't know.

00:37:08.120 I just don't know.

00:37:08.560 Well, Jacqueline, something that we'll do for the bonus up, the Paris bonus up.

00:37:11.820 Don't even tell them.

00:37:12.480 You're really going to want to cough it up for.

00:37:13.760 Don't even tell them.

00:37:14.220 I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say, Jacqueline displayed some of the most profound. 0.88

00:37:19.320 fucking i i still i told a friend about it and and she was like that's so cool 0.82

00:37:25.780 jacqueline displayed some of the most i don't know what's the energy dominating 0.99

00:37:30.940 she dominated this restaurant and she did something that i'll never forget oh my god 1.00

00:37:36.860 and she ate something that only a fucking something crazy something really intense 0.97

00:37:43.400 this is not i'm not using this well no no i think this is great i believe you called me 0.96

00:37:48.340 Jacqueline Bourdain and we'll leave it at that oh yeah there was a lot that's gonna be huge in

00:37:53.680 the bonus I mean because that was a saga that was a three-act that's a whole episode I know

00:37:58.360 um okay so it's 6 39 and guess what I have to be at the place at something 6 7 15 okay okay

00:38:07.980 that's pretty good now the question is how clean can I and will I get oh I had an idea for hotels

00:38:13.480 because i struggle with this question of if the drain in the tub in the shower is not

00:38:20.080 speedy as the wind it's the wrong analogy okay yeah there's a slight hesitation you're standing

00:38:29.680 in three inches yeah or even an inch okay or yeah kind of right i'm kind of like get it out

00:38:37.460 i'm like i'm like i'm afraid right i know so then i was going imagining because it's a fantasy hotel

00:38:43.360 okay like like we that we run drano between every guest yeah yeah no i've i've been where was it

00:38:49.720 i've been in hotels or like airbnbs or things where i got used to something so vile which was

00:38:55.260 like standing like above water above my ankles every shower i had that one one time i did it

00:39:01.560 and they came and fixed it i went for it and complained i was like oh yeah um and then yeah

00:39:09.100 you know it's like it's a little slow it's a good hotel and i was like i'm just gonna let

00:39:12.880 them know i'm headed out for the night if they can handle it when i'm gone that'll be great and

00:39:18.380 then and then they did well by the way i was just moved i was moved by the service here with this

00:39:24.840 hotel apartment uh whatever it's called i realized when i was out that i left a couple items on my

00:39:30.900 mini fridge at my old hotel yes nothing of great value i was like oh but i'll just you know it's

00:39:37.820 fine oh just now i come back no they moved it down for me no what about when you move tables

00:39:44.480 for some reason i did that earlier you carry your own water your own silverware i carried my olives

00:39:50.000 today you do you do you carry as much as you can handle with the spirit of if i had a doing this

00:39:55.440 trough i would do it you know yeah i've got one thing bouncing on a shoulder yeah trying to

00:40:02.460 unburden we moved tables once when someone was coughing violently in the midst of where were we

00:40:07.020 Philadelphia, Chicago, D.C., D.C.

00:40:09.580 It feels very D.C. 1.00

00:40:10.180 A woman was hacking in a fucking vile way in the middle of our tour. 1.00

00:40:14.620 And I was like, who gets sick from sitting next to this hacker? 0.99

00:40:18.220 Yeah.

00:40:18.640 If you have a wet cough that hard, you got to stay home.

00:40:22.560 I know.

00:40:23.820 I know.

00:40:24.420 She was like day two symptomatic.

00:40:26.560 We moved.

00:40:28.300 And then it starts to become like.

00:40:30.900 Someone else coughed?

00:40:31.800 Yeah, she was at peak.

00:40:32.780 Yeah.

00:40:32.940 There was like some other coughing there where we are.

00:40:35.160 But you have to go.

00:40:36.180 the gods like i did the best i could you know what i've been using on this trip the copper zap

00:40:40.740 i tell you about this i had to have talked about it on my podcast i forgot about it what is it you 0.85

00:40:46.400 drag it across your tongue no you stick it in your nose oh right so yeah i'm a fool i wonder where i

00:40:53.400 could grab something copper you think a penny will do you remember when we got caught when you got 0.98

00:40:57.540 copper poisoning copper's no joke you gotta yeah you can't just and even said a thing with this

00:41:02.960 they were like because it's such pure copper yeah it wasn't like they're like you could fill a glass

00:41:07.820 of water with this but don't let it soak in it for like over a minute or whatever yes that was

00:41:12.240 my problem i let it soak like overnight yeah but who would never who would ever know that it was a

00:41:16.260 copper drinking to that point yeah didn't you like projectile vomit yes which is always like

00:41:22.360 bless the body when it does i know i know it's so cool but he's like no like yeah i hope it comes

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00:42:44.560 Do you sleep in socks?

00:42:46.640 Never.

00:42:47.560 Never. 1.00

00:42:47.820 Get them the fuck off. 0.99

00:42:49.000 No, I don't think it's gross, but it feels wrong to me. 0.99

00:42:52.240 i i'm both i want them off i mean i do think socks tend to feel a little bit like a

00:42:58.500 you know a dry a dry like a swiffer for dust i know like sliding around and so i want them off

00:43:05.660 but i just yeah to me kicking off socks is one of the great pleasures of my life that's why they

00:43:11.200 they're always in all sorts of places in my home i saw your socks when i came to your

00:43:15.580 when you're apart your um hotel oh yeah i was looking i saw your socks on the edge of the bed

00:43:20.260 and i'm sorry the edge of the underwear there was like period stain underwear hanging next to the

00:43:23.820 toilet i was like well kate saw that i didn't see it i didn't see that i missed that but i did see

00:43:28.140 your socks in a place i've never seen socks which was balled up on the edge of the bathtub but like

00:43:33.720 that sounds like nothing but they were in a it was like i could see you taking them off and then

00:43:38.220 my favorite thing was when we came in a coffee cup turned on its side on the edge of a table

00:43:44.620 with coffee pooling it hadn't spilled yet it was pooling just it was on diagonal yeah it was like

00:43:49.140 It was resting on its own diagonals for hours like that.

00:43:52.320 Yeah.

00:43:52.800 Yeah.

00:43:53.560 I mean, yeah, the chaos.

00:43:55.360 Oh, and then, well, the joke is that,

00:43:57.680 so it took me an hour and a half packing for the fans,

00:44:00.800 and then this morning I go, well, let's try the other way,

00:44:04.520 my original way.

00:44:06.120 Throw everything in the suitcase and just force it,

00:44:08.240 and then adjust if nothing fits, did it,

00:44:09.940 was out of there in three minutes.

00:44:12.020 Now, is it chaos?

00:44:14.560 You know, sort of.

00:44:15.920 But by the way, huge question.

00:44:17.380 What can I get rid of?

00:44:18.540 i'm trying to unburden the bags i can't i can't feel like i'm overstuffed what can be gotten rid

00:44:26.580 of it's so hard nothing well when i went to paris i took a backpack and a dream the dream and i have

00:44:33.880 to say i brought two items of clothing i didn't even touch like and so i'm feeling really motivated

00:44:41.060 when i come back and i go to europe not backpack but i mean if you could really carry on if you

00:44:47.340 really I went through

00:44:49.320 this period three week carry on with

00:44:51.260 the I mean

00:44:53.260 and there are people online who really like

00:44:55.020 you know go here's

00:44:56.980 here's how you do it but I do

00:44:59.340 get a little bored not really

00:45:01.400 I guess I'm like bored of the outfits

00:45:03.300 but it's not like I'm wearing some great outfit it's like

00:45:05.260 you kind of just have to go 1.00

00:45:07.340 I don't know a black

00:45:09.500 sweater is I'm not really going to

00:45:11.380 get that bored of so it's fine

00:45:12.820 well I've already decided for

00:45:14.800 I'm like when I go to Europe 0.53

00:45:17.000 whatever i'm back one pair of pants i'm not even fucking kidding it's also easier when i'm 0.88

00:45:21.960 considering discarding a pair of jeans i have two black pairs of two black pairs of jeans 0.92

00:45:26.700 let me i'm going why oh yeah totally i would i know oh wait you know we have to tell the story

00:45:31.240 of us meeting up and me with the water the evian don't remember okay so jack and i met up and i was

00:45:40.520 feeling dehydrated i was feeling dehydrated

00:45:44.720 and i was like oh so i had the thing where i to avoid plastic i've been drinking tap water in my

00:45:51.760 hotel and you know tap water fresh out of the cold tap drink it down it's like glacial it's so

00:45:57.060 so cold and then i let it sit out for like an hour and then i took a sip and it tasted like

00:46:02.600 it was directly from the toilet like once it was cold i could taste all the minerals sediment and

00:46:09.620 I could taste the pipe that it was encased

00:46:11.560 I'm having an internet issue

00:46:12.720 and then we're walking and I go I'm gonna get

00:46:15.320 I basically pack a bodega

00:46:17.500 and I couldn't believe it there was a six pack

00:46:19.500 of like liter Evian bottles and I go I need

00:46:21.560 that it's so heavy

00:46:23.220 you can't comprehend the

00:46:24.880 handle of it is a piece of plastic that's cutting

00:46:27.480 into my hand

00:46:28.240 Jacqueline's frozen but I'm gonna keep going

00:46:31.180 oh and she's gone 1.00

00:46:33.040 fuck 1.00

00:46:33.580 oh no what does it mean 1.00

00:46:36.860 I'm gonna wait for her

00:46:38.060 daddy said let's go downtown okay so wait i was i was saying can you hear me oh are you there

00:46:46.580 yeah okay i'm gonna finish i'm just gonna finish where i was which i was saying

00:46:50.640 i bought the six pack of evian the handle plastic cutting cutting into my hand

00:46:55.820 you left me for a minute then you reappear emerging from a little store dragging was it only six it

00:47:03.920 felt like 12 wait wait the sound the sounds insane oh i know what's happening are you talking into

00:47:09.560 your mic no my computer the internet's no longer working basically we're gonna have to wrap up

00:47:14.820 because i gotta go to my show okay um the point is kate starts decides we're gonna walk 20 blocks

00:47:21.940 dragging it's so heavy dragging a huge thing and taking rests she's taking rest breaks but i have

00:47:29.180 to stop for meanwhile then okay then later when like i like mislead us a couple times you're like

00:47:34.420 i was way down by my water it was again a six pack of these evions i can't it was so heavy

00:47:44.120 i was carrying it from the undercarriage i also had a purse and another bag with me so i was

00:47:49.540 really way down by parcels and then it was very odd it was very odd well i go why is she carrying

00:47:56.500 plastic bottled water that seemed unlike you yeah and so you could order it into the hotel

00:48:01.900 she cut out but i i always forget that you can deliver stuff like i always always forget that

00:48:08.960 and so basically i'm taking many breaks with the water because i want to walk jacklyn all the way

00:48:16.080 to her hotel to see it and i eventually abandoned the water it was a six pack i it was i mean 15

00:48:23.100 bucks i left it outside an establishment and then i go well hey somebody who needs water

00:48:31.160 is gonna i mean somebody's gonna go wow okay i'll take this jacqueline's gone but jacqueline

00:48:37.220 convinced me that it was a it was a positive okay well what can i leave you with i'm gonna

00:48:44.060 take a bath and i'm gonna say i'm gonna tell jacqueline i love her from the abyss where she

00:48:50.820 You cannot hear me.

00:48:51.500 I love you.

00:48:53.600 Bye.

Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - April 08, 2025

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