Rowan & Pine: A Feminist Folklore & Mythology Podcast - Episode Fourteen： Krampus, Yule Lads, Ded Moroz - Santa...adjacent？

00:00:00.000 i don't know why i'm doing our theme music here we go it's rowan and pine

00:00:11.420 aren't aren't you guys so grateful that we just got some royalty free music online and

00:00:17.840 didn't sing our own theme song it would have been so bad if we were singing the song

00:00:25.380 my name is neve and that's emily and welcome to rowan and pine

00:00:30.260 beautiful it's just bad harmonies and everything yeah with some random guitar in the background

00:00:38.140 that i can't play it would just be off it would not match the like singing at all definitely not

00:00:44.060 it would be so wonderful yeah you're welcome you are welcome and you're actually welcome

00:00:50.980 to Ronan Pine. Yeah, welcome to Ronan Pine. My name is Emily. And my name is Niamh. And

00:00:55.780 it's December. And it's December and we're making a podcast. When did we first start

00:01:00.340 recording this? Was it in like May? I think so. Or June? I think we started recording

00:01:05.000 in May and I think we didn't release anything until June. Look at us go. Yeah, look at us.

00:01:09.920 Hey. We've actually, let's see if we can make it a year. It'll be pretty impressive. That'd

00:01:14.360 be great. Yeah, I'm making my audacity small so I don't just have to look at the sound

00:01:19.560 bar and i can actually just look at you because this is an emily episode neve doesn't have to

00:01:24.380 read fuck all yay i have to read all i don't know who would have thought like back in school when 0.91

00:01:32.680 they were going around the room making you read out like random lines that this is what we were 0.98

00:01:36.200 training for emily yeah for real reading aloud yeah and like researching and stuff although to

00:01:41.160 be honest my favorite part of school projects was always researching yeah same here and then like 0.62

00:01:46.780 telling people who don't really give a fuck all the stuff that you found yeah and you're like no

00:01:50.020 this is cool you're like yeah being like did you know everybody's like I don't care I was just 0.90

00:01:56.580 gonna say is there anything worse than telling somebody a fact that you just found out and they

00:02:00.900 either don't care or they already knew just do the polite thing and pretend and you're very excited

00:02:05.720 about it just be like oh my god that's amazing yeah pretend you're talking to a three-year-old

00:02:10.520 and just say wow that's so cool was there like a meme a while ago it's like no matter who you are

00:02:16.280 what station of life that you're at if a toddler hands you a toy phone you have to pretend you're

00:02:22.260 having a conversation with somebody and it's so true yeah but if they hand you food with their

00:02:28.480 sticky poop fingers you can reject it or something they've already chewed we're not baby birds okay

00:02:33.840 it's very sweet but i i feel so bad when kids are like here you want some i'm like no i'm very full

00:02:40.800 I cannot eat anything else.

00:02:42.880 I had some like air pie earlier.

00:02:45.120 It was amazing.

00:02:45.780 And especially like all the years of being a nanny.

00:02:48.020 I'm like, I see where you put your hands.

00:02:50.120 You will not be touching my food.

00:02:54.420 I was just going to say some people never grow out of that because you see people at

00:02:57.760 like the supermarket with just their hands doing their trousers and just like, you're

00:03:01.120 in public. 0.99

00:03:01.700 Disgusting. 0.99

00:03:02.560 And bad children don't get presents from Santa. 1.00

00:03:06.920 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:03:07.980 Oh, snap. 1.00

00:03:08.660 I'm so good at these segues, transitions.

00:03:13.460 Yeah, so tell us about the children and about Santa and about presents.

00:03:17.760 We like presents.

00:03:18.520 We do like presents.

00:03:20.040 The characters that I'm going to be talking about today are...

00:03:23.340 I wrote them as Santa Claus-like characters because it's like they're similarities, but they're not the same.

00:03:30.240 Santa adjacent.

00:03:31.160 Santa adjacent.

00:03:32.000 So I have in Russia, there's the...

00:03:35.140 Forgive me.

00:03:35.800 just yeah up at the top of this episode i really want to i want to say and really stress that

00:03:42.460 there's a lot of languages in here that i don't speak and try to get the pronunciation as accurate

00:03:48.200 as possible but i don't speak these languages so it might not come out that well but i'm gonna try

00:03:53.780 and if you have a correction just send it to us on instagram in a voice clip just shouting

00:03:58.100 whatever it's supposed to be with no context whatsoever and we'll try and figure out what

00:04:01.620 the hell you're talking about that'd be fun that would be really fun i'd be like wait i think i

00:04:06.620 talked about this at one point so yeah these are santa claus like characters i have the in russia

00:04:12.300 the zed moros see if that's russian yeah in iceland there are the yola svenar they're also

00:04:19.780 known as the yule lads yes lad in italy we have la befana and then everybody's favorite krampus

00:04:29.060 yes so these are the characters that i'm going to be talking about today have you heard of any

00:04:33.860 of these other than krampus i only heard of labafana because you texted to me and said that

00:04:39.180 you were thinking about doing an episode of labafana i was like i don't know what that is

00:04:43.220 but yes please but no the yule lads never heard of and that other one the russian thing that i

00:04:49.520 don't know how to say never heard of that either tell me more demon coming in hot this throat

00:04:55.680 demon has arrived so our first guy is actually the most like santa claus zed moros in russia

00:05:03.600 it translates to grandfather frost oh that's cool i like that the roots are in slavic mythology

00:05:10.880 during the soviet era communist authorities banned zed moros but he later became an important

00:05:17.620 part of soviet culture which is pretty interesting instead of giving gifts on christmas eve he gives

00:05:24.260 gifts on new year's eve so you have a little extended fun if you also believe in santa claus

00:05:29.440 cool so if you're like you grew up with like say one russian parent you might like that would be

00:05:34.740 cool if you got like two sets of presents right like if you live in the u.s and your parents

00:05:39.980 russian and they're like no we have this guy you guys have santa although i feel like with it's

00:05:46.700 been memed to absolute death but with how harsh russian values are always portrayed to be i feel

00:05:53.100 like the presents from Zed Moros would be whole practical stuff like a hammer boots for the snow

00:06:00.340 a scraper for your car very practical you can't even imagine you're not allowed a toy

00:06:07.440 you get coal but it is a good thing yeah this will warm your house

00:06:11.440 you get coal so grandma does not die I'm sorry Russia we love you we don't love your leader as

00:06:19.120 much oh sorry this is only from a tiktok source so like probably not true me and my tiktok sources

00:06:26.320 uh somebody made a video earlier to say that uh there's a video of putting put putting

00:06:30.640 a body like pudding

00:06:34.120 there's a video of putin falling downstairs and shitting himself yeah apparently this is recent 0.92

00:06:41.680 and now they're calling him putin oh my goodness that is pretty funny i'm not going to verify

00:06:49.060 this because i want to live in the reality where this is real yeah so if it's fake don't tell

00:06:54.020 yeah don't tell us don't ruin the whole mythology of it that's so funny putin have you seen the

00:07:00.420 where he's on a ritz cracker and it's putin on the ritz no somebody made it it's like a gif and

00:07:09.180 it's like the ritz cracker is like a wheel and he's like on it and it's like rolling 0.81

00:07:14.760 said putin on the rip oh my god i love it if he wasn't such like a war criminal um it's really 0.99

00:07:22.060 funny to make fun of him he weren't a terrible person so back to the zed moroz kind of looks

00:07:28.220 like santa he wears a red or blue fur coat that is nearly floor length he has a semi-round fur hat

00:07:34.460 and wears felt boots so like the the semi-round hat i was like semi-round hat it's basically just

00:07:41.660 like a little hat like on top of his head so it like covers the top of his head so it doesn't

00:07:46.060 have like the tail like santa has no okay you all missed it but neve was just like shaking her head

00:07:52.540 around as if i had a santa hat sweeping it flipping that little pom-pom around he is often

00:07:59.600 riding a troika uh basically a sled but it's led by three horses and the horses are like shoulder

00:08:06.380 to shoulder in a line so they're just like straight across and the horses are always all

00:08:11.320 snow white a man of style yeah he's real fancy i like the idea of felt boots and like a long fur 0.58

00:08:18.460 coat he's got the felt boots the fur coat like if he went to a gay club over christmas he would

00:08:24.240 just be absolutely slaying it with his white horses slaying it slightly related and a slight 0.89

00:08:31.740 segue do you know what the irish for santa is i don't daddy nanolog which means daddy christmas 0.93

00:08:38.780 which is also perfect for a gay club yeah there's probably like a drag queen not a drag queen but a 0.87

00:08:46.320 king being daddy christmas somewhere in this country that's amazing but yeah just slay slaying

00:08:52.180 all day yeah the overlap of christmas and queerness is pretty cool in east slavic cultures he's

00:08:59.020 accompanied by snigurashka which translates to snow maiden the snow maiden is his granddaughter

00:09:05.440 and his helper so it's kind of like his little sidekick oh sweet she wears long silver blue

00:09:10.440 robes and a fur cap or a snowflake like crown she has rosy cheeks and a long blonde braid

00:09:16.260 oh she sounds like elsa yeah pretty much maybe elsa was based off this character 0.95

00:09:21.780 yeah like her looks because i think she's based she's based off a that swedish thing is it the

00:09:27.700 Ice? The Ice Queen? 1.00

00:09:29.140 I don't know. 0.85

00:09:29.320 She's based off that Swedish fairy tale.

00:09:30.940 I don't know.

00:09:32.060 I don't know anything about Disney.

00:09:33.460 Let's not attract any Disney adults here.

00:09:35.300 They scare me.

00:09:36.880 Yeah, I'm not.

00:09:37.920 I've heard theories about Disney adults, which is pretty interesting.

00:09:41.800 Oh, really?

00:09:42.360 Yeah, like a lot of childhood trauma, and they probably turned to Disney for comfort,

00:09:46.220 and now it's like into adulthood.

00:09:48.420 I can see that.

00:09:49.340 I've heard that being said about Harry Potter.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, I was like, oh, wow, that actually makes a lot of sense.

00:09:54.200 Yeah.

00:09:55.080 But then some of them are just have no imagination.

00:09:57.700 Like, there's some of them on YouTube, and you're like, you're a Disney adult, but, like, I just feel like you don't know that there are other things to like.

00:10:03.420 You're like, what else would I like?

00:10:05.780 Anything.

00:10:06.860 Anything.

00:10:07.480 Rowan and Pine, maybe.

00:10:08.720 Yeah.

00:10:09.380 Anyway.

00:10:10.440 We're just offending everybody now.

00:10:15.560 We're, like, 10 to 15 minutes into this podcast, and nobody's listening anymore. 1.00

00:10:21.540 We've got the Russians. 0.70

00:10:21.620 We've got a Disney adult. 0.99

00:10:22.940 Who wouldn't just turn this off?

00:10:25.400 Oh, no.

00:10:26.840 We did.

00:10:27.700 putting putin so the origin of zed moraz is from before christianity he was considered a slavic

00:10:37.680 wizard of winter capable of freezing an entire army with a snap of his icy fingers he was denounced

00:10:44.040 as a demon by the church he's said to have icy cold hands so when people dress up as him similar

00:10:49.760 to mall santas they will stick their hands in the snow before meeting children so that it's easy to

00:10:55.160 believe that he is actually just like this icy cold person and that his hands are actually frozen

00:11:00.560 oh my god can you imagine that's a dedication freezing your hands and being like yeah hello

00:11:07.160 children especially in slavic countries because like it's real cold there so i mean but maybe

00:11:12.560 they're used to it i don't know the late 19th century is when he made his way back into christmas 0.81

00:11:17.120 celebrations as the person who brings gifts and goodwill so very similar to santa dead moros and

00:11:25.000 his granddaughter, Snigurashka, are said to live in a small village near Veliki Ustyug

00:11:31.960 in the Vologda region, just a few hours north of Moscow.

00:11:37.640 Yay!

00:11:38.580 Well done for getting through that sentence.

00:11:40.060 Yay!

00:11:40.720 Thank you, everyone.

00:11:42.040 I'll take a bow.

00:11:43.440 Unlike Santa, who lives in an undetermined area of the North Pole, so Santa's secretive, 0.98

00:11:49.300 Zedmaraz is not.

00:11:50.740 He's a good guy.

00:11:51.440 yeah he's just like yeah you should all know that i'm going around giving presents yeah so you can

00:11:56.620 actually visit his house look at my amazing boots that's cool that you can go visit his house

00:12:01.360 yeah i thought that was super cool so you can visit his house and see the toy factory you can

00:12:06.520 see the kitchen where his favorite food is made and his bedroom where he sleeps oh the area so

00:12:11.920 yeah i was like i like saw photos and i was like i want to go yeah i mean there is something a

00:12:18.320 little bit similar like um people take trips to lapland all the time okay um and there's like a

00:12:24.280 little santa's village it's in the arctic circle you can see the northern lights and all that it's

00:12:28.680 like yeah proper arctic circle that would be so much fun yeah that's where i want to take my kids

00:12:33.620 like have to save up our money and then be like we're gonna go see where christmas is made yeah

00:12:39.700 the area surrounding his house is a large enchanted forest with talking magpies siberian reindeer that

00:12:46.900 are actually endangered baba yaga and rides on pechkas or stoves have you heard of stove rides

00:12:53.840 no i don't i was trying to like follow up with this because like i i'm assuming it's like a

00:13:00.180 folktale or something like a horse but it's a stove like as in like a stove that you'd like

00:13:04.920 yes i've never heard of this yeah but i just imagined um do you remember after we're talking

00:13:11.720 about disney adults do you remember in the beauty and the beast when her dad was in this like weird

00:13:17.420 like contraption yeah that he invented yeah and he got like shut in it and then like it like

00:13:22.460 wandered off i kind of imagined something like that it's like oh it's a stove but there's also

00:13:28.720 a large post office next to his house where he receives thousands of letters from children each

00:13:33.220 year oh and apparently russia is still very passionate about zedmaros and think that santa

00:13:38.660 clause is an imposter so so much so that a marketing a marketing specialist in russia

00:13:46.000 tried to sue coca-cola for putting santa in their advertisements in russia oh my god and our boy 0.98

00:13:53.720 putin sided with him too calling it santa propaganda oh for fuck's sake they're like 0.86

00:13:59.760 anti-santa yeah pretty much they don't want santa in in russia apparently that's so funny 0.87

00:14:06.400 i don't think that's everybody but it's um the official stance yeah i think people who are tiny

00:14:12.940 fragile men probably but it's also given me you know that whole phenomenon of like there was like

00:14:17.980 a soviet version of everything and like even now like you and i was talking about a documentary

00:14:23.040 where you know the way parmesan cheese it can only be made in a specific place in italy and it's like

00:14:29.180 it's they're only they're the only place that are allowed to call it parmesan and it's similar to

00:14:34.080 like champagne like you can only make it in the champagne region i did not know this about parmesan

00:14:38.800 cheese but yeah it's called like because i had to do a course on wine um in the place that i used to

00:14:44.460 work and it's called like a a protected domain of origin um it's like an eu thing okay it's also a

00:14:51.520 scotch whiskey you can't make scotch whiskey anywhere but scotland aren't there um aren't

00:14:56.260 there tomatoes grown in italy san marzano ones yes they're grown on the volcano yeah and like

00:15:03.460 nobody else can call their tomatoes that so it's it's that sort of idea so ewan was telling me

00:15:10.360 that because like russia has been such a contentious nation especially over the last

00:15:16.220 like 30 years or so a lot of like european countries were threatening and especially

00:15:20.000 like over the last year were threatening to stop like doing trade with russia so it meant that like

00:15:24.800 they couldn't get parmesan cheese or champagne or anything like that so what the russians started

00:15:29.800 doing was hiring people from all of these regions and paying them an obscene amount of money to

00:15:36.960 make the Russian version of all of these things so they don't need to do trade with these countries

00:15:42.400 is it really worth it so like there's a Russian version of parmesan cheese out there I have 0.64

00:15:48.900 champagne and all that but this is what it's giving me like they made their own Santa but

00:15:55.520 according to russia he was around first yeah they made their own santa and then they were like also

00:16:00.960 we hate coca-cola we'll make our own yeah also fun fact fanta was invented because coca-cola

00:16:08.040 stopped doing trade in germany during world war ii so they decided to make their own drink and

00:16:12.940 they made fanta so fanta is a german company well it's like owned by coca-cola now but it was

00:16:18.560 invented in germany that's so weird that doesn't really sound german to me god this took a segue

00:16:23.400 yeah i mean these are all fun facts yeah these are product origins with me that you didn't ask

00:16:29.260 you thought you were tuning in to stuff about different santa clauses yeah i'm so sorry i keep

00:16:34.900 segwaying you it's okay this next one is the yolas fennar or the yule lads this is going to be a

00:16:43.480 difficult one because there are multiple yule lads and whatever language is spoken in iceland

00:16:50.240 is it called icelandic i think so i think it is if it's not i apologize well it's not like they'll

00:16:56.140 come get you there's only like 30 000 people there so they're like whatever it's not like

00:17:02.480 they can form an army oh no what are they gonna do send bjork poor bjork she's great yeah she's

00:17:09.520 great so the yule lads they're all different names they all have their different names and so i'm

00:17:14.700 going to try to pronounce them as best i can they are 13 mischievous elf-like men who come down from

00:17:20.080 the mountains to visit town on the 13 days leading up to yule for the 13 nights children

00:17:25.380 place a shoe on the windowsill of their bedroom so that the yule lads can place gifts inside the

00:17:30.220 shoe so kind of like setting out stockings for santa claus children who are well behaved will

00:17:36.260 get candy or treats and children who are misbehaving will get a rotten potato in their

00:17:41.080 shoe oh my god oh that's awful the smell of a rotten potato jesus i know wasn't i telling you

00:17:49.220 about how we recently had rotten potatoes in our kitchen yeah and they're like off in a corner

00:17:55.360 where we like weren't really paying attention yeah it was not fun or the worst is when you're

00:18:01.760 not expecting one and you reach in somewhere and you can just feel it i just got chills

00:18:07.500 sorry oh no

00:18:09.900 so the yule lads are part of a family that lives in a cave together the parents of the yule lads

00:18:21.100 are i should probably roll my r's there grila she's the mother le palui is the father

00:18:27.760 and then they have a cat it's the yule cat also pronounced yul caturin we'll call it just the yule

00:18:37.040 cat and the yule cat will eat children who have not received any new clothes to wear for christmas 0.54

00:18:43.040 the mom grilla is a scary troll who is able to sniff out bad children so she can take them back 0.95

00:18:49.780 to the cave with her and turn them into stew the dad is said to be a lazy man he just hangs out in 1.00

00:18:56.680 the cave eats his wife's food chills pets the cat whatever so what the fuck yeah so it's like every 0.99

00:19:02.760 husband on tiktok oh no because they're all useless partly yeah pretty much oh i don't know 1.00

00:19:09.380 how to cook hilarious love it good for you you don't know basic life skills and your wife is 0.98

00:19:16.060 not your mother the yule lads they're usually wearing traditional peasants clothing sheepskin

00:19:20.880 and wool sometimes dressing as santa claus imposters they act like trolls and they're named

00:19:26.860 after the actions that they do such as the doorway sniffer oh my god yes imagine coming home and

00:19:33.700 there's somebody sniffing your doorway it gets better it gets so much better i thought you were

00:19:38.580 gonna say like you know the way for some reason the first place my mind went was like the seven

00:19:42.960 dwarves you know they're all named after attributes so i thought you were gonna like there's a sleepy

00:19:47.160 one but not like slight pervert this could maybe be where the seven dwarves came from because that

00:19:54.520 would make sense considering these are like they're named after the actions that they do

00:19:58.700 and then the seven dwarves are named after their emotions yeah probably what they do the most grumpy 0.84

00:20:03.900 and then doc for like what the fuck was doc smart one they just ran out they're like we don't know 0.73

00:20:09.400 what are other emotions i don't remember if i said it but each like one yule lad will come 0.97

00:20:16.440 each night in the 13 nights leading up to um yule so on december 12th the first yule lad will strike

00:20:25.720 and his name

00:20:27.500 i don't know why you just lean back like a cackle an evil cackle

00:20:33.900 his name is steck yester which is sheep coat clod which i don't understand that either even

00:20:41.740 and that's in English. Sheepcoat clog.

00:20:43.880 It's coat, like, C-O-T-E.

00:20:46.100 He was said to harass sheep,

00:20:48.220 suck milk from them,

00:20:49.580 and was known for having 1.00

00:20:51.760 two stiff peg legs.

00:20:55.680 Listen, buddy. Listen.

00:20:57.640 These Yule lads are something else.

00:21:00.280 Okay. I like feta cheese

00:21:01.900 as much as the next person.

00:21:03.860 Sheep's milk is not where it's at.

00:21:05.300 What are you doing? Breastfeeding off 1.00

00:21:07.400 a sheep, you big weirdo. 1.00

00:21:09.080 You sicko. This sounds like a fetish. 1.00

00:21:11.560 December 13th, our second guy shows up, Gil Yagur, which means gully gawk.

00:21:17.280 He was known to hide in barns and steal the froth from milk buckets.

00:21:22.040 Oh my god.

00:21:23.000 That's kind of like a fairy thing, though. 0.99

00:21:24.520 I feel like fairies do that, so I'm getting fae vibes here. 1.00

00:21:28.580 Fae vibes from the gully gawk. 1.00

00:21:30.020 But that's also, like, you have to be very quick, because the froth's not going to stay there.

00:21:33.680 It's like right after you milk a cow, there's froth.

00:21:36.160 Yeah, he's got to be a fast one.

00:21:38.120 december 14th the stuir which translates to stubby he was known for being unusually short

00:21:45.960 and stealing pans to eat the crust that was left on them or like the crumbs okay

00:21:52.200 okay depending on what it is right if it's like if you're making like a skillet cookie

00:21:59.020 absolutely i'm here for that eat the crust all you want if it's like two-day-old bolognese sauce

00:22:05.340 go home okay like when bacon grease like coagulates

00:22:08.800 oh and it goes like white yes yes that's exactly what i was thinking i'm like that's nasty

00:22:17.900 oh no december 15th lord help me is which translates to spoon liquor oh my god you know

00:22:28.280 what he does he's known for being tall thin and for stealing long wooded spoons to lick them

00:22:34.880 why is it weird that he's tall and thin

00:22:37.040 why is that worse

00:22:37.900 I don't know why that's worse

00:22:39.020 because he's like slender man licking spoons

00:22:41.340 oh my god

00:22:42.380 is this supposed to be a fun tradition

00:22:44.460 Iceland

00:22:44.920 Iceland no

00:22:46.080 Iceland we need to have a little chat

00:22:47.940 Iceland I know you have a weird version of tinder

00:22:50.100 to make sure you're not all related

00:22:51.280 but I feel like there are bigger problems here

00:22:53.140 bigger than cousins procreating

00:22:56.380 on December 16th

00:22:58.340 the potaskevil

00:23:00.580 I'm sorry

00:23:02.140 but when you say that it just sounds like

00:23:04.480 is it nandor who says basquete oh no it's somebody from the original movie he says it

00:23:11.140 basquete that's so funny there's like a word in spanish that like medardo kept saying

00:23:18.680 and it sounds like uh the country that nandor is from oh

00:23:23.060 like medardo like kept saying it i was like all i could think about is nandor

00:23:29.640 But yes, so let me try to like, so the Potaskeviel, he's the pot scraper.

00:23:35.960 He's known to steal leftovers from pots, which sounds very similar to the guy who's eating the crusty stuff off the pots. 0.85

00:23:43.520 Yeah, and also, well, I suppose there's a couple of days in between.

00:23:46.720 So like, the first guy gets there, he gets his little harvest of pots.

00:23:50.940 Yeah.

00:23:51.320 And this guy comes a couple of days later when people have cooked another meal.

00:23:54.340 December 17th is the Ashkaslejkir, is the bowl liquor.

00:23:58.820 he was known to hide under beds and when people would place their askur which is a plate used for

00:24:05.340 all meals he would then steal it and eat from it sounds creepy why are you hiding under my bed

00:24:12.220 waiting for my yeah bowls they're yeah they're weird the next one is like kind of creeps me out

00:24:18.120 so on december 18th the hurla skedlier is the door slammer he's the loudest one he was known

00:24:26.420 to slam doors, especially during

00:24:28.260 night time. Oh, no.

00:24:30.360 I don't like that. I wouldn't like waking up

00:24:32.260 to my doors being slammed. I don't

00:24:34.300 like that. Although, I am thankful that

00:24:36.340 none of these, they all show up one by one.

00:24:38.600 They're not all there. Like, you don't

00:24:40.300 hear a door slam and then there's somebody under your bed

00:24:42.300 like in a plate. That sounds like too much.

00:24:44.360 Somebody in your kitchen scraping pots.

00:24:47.740 That would

00:24:48.340 not be fun. December 19th

00:24:50.200 is the Shkir Gawmer,

00:24:52.220 which is the Shkir Gobbler.

00:24:54.120 Have you ever had Shkir? Oh, like yogurt?

00:24:56.220 yeah it's Icelandic yogurt I love that yogurt I just turned Medardo on to it I was like I've

00:25:01.360 heard this is really good and now it's like the only kind he'll buy oh my god it's amazing so

00:25:05.860 the skier gobbler was known for being obsessed with the Icelandic yogurt okay one last random 0.84

00:25:11.760 like side story um have you seen that there was a famous am I the asshole from reddit of like 0.98

00:25:17.120 this woman that was like am I the asshole my boyfriend's really upset that I got rid of his 0.90

00:25:22.180 property and you're like okay that sounds a bit unreasonable and then she tells the story that 0.99

00:25:26.040 her boyfriend is a collector and he recently reintroduced dairy to his diet and he decided

00:25:31.380 he really likes yogurt so he started collecting yogurt not eating it no just collecting it and

00:25:37.180 keeping it in their apartment and she was like it didn't really bother me and then he bought a

00:25:41.600 second fridge and then he bought a mini fridge to keep in our bedroom so he could keep his yogurt

00:25:45.900 there what and she said the final straw was she went grocery shopping and she came back and there

00:25:52.060 was no room in the fridge for her for their food because he had it full of yogurt and then

00:25:56.340 and then so she like got really mad and she like threw out like a bunch of his yogurt so she could

00:26:01.980 put their food away and he came home and he like went crazy at her he was like you got rid of my

00:26:05.720 property like you had no right to do that and all that and she's like um like i'm starting to feel 0.94

00:26:10.680 really bad that i like got rid of his property like am i the asshole and everyone's like it was 0.99

00:26:15.340 fucking yogurt like it was gonna go off yeah apparently he was it's called the iranian yogurt 0.99

00:26:20.820 am i the asshole so if you look it up and um like part of it was like what some of the yogurt was 0.99

00:26:25.740 like really rare yogurt that he got from iran and she was like how did you get yogurt from iran and 0.97

00:26:30.500 he was like don't ask questions oh my goodness okay so um maybe he's a skir gobbler there's a

00:26:37.520 lot to unpack here it was bad because like she obviously she was feeling bad enough like he'd

00:26:43.520 made her feel so bad about this that she was like maybe i shouldn't have done that he probably is a

00:26:48.200 skier gobbler i would probably have to break up with somebody if they were like that and be like

00:26:53.520 i you know you collect all the yogurt that you want but i won't be part of it yeah and she was

00:26:58.160 like really defensive of him she was like you know like he's a collector but he's not really

00:27:01.500 messy like he's usually really neat and like most of his collections are like he has a room

00:27:06.740 dedicated to them at his parents house in another state and everyone's like um that's a horror yeah

00:27:13.820 and taking over somebody else's house for it come on that's rude please if you're going to collect

00:27:19.420 things don't collect things that are perishable and will attract ants because that's how you get

00:27:23.320 you know how else you get ants i actually you probably don't get ants from this but

00:27:28.380 on december 20th the the sausage swiper is known to hide in the rafters and steal sausages that

00:27:37.480 were being smoked apparently smoking sausages is a really big thing in iceland and so this is like

00:27:42.840 it fits that there would be a sausage swiper yeah well i think in a lot of like countries where

00:27:48.660 they're so far north they do a lot of food preservation yeah so that would that would

00:27:53.160 make sense sausage swiper sounds like a fun nickname for somebody in college

00:27:57.120 this is alana she's my roommate the sausage swiper she'll steal your boyfriend real quick

00:28:03.580 on december 21st the luga guy here is the window peeper oh no yeah he would peek inside people's

00:28:12.540 windows to see if there was anything that he could steal so he's just casing the place

00:28:17.160 this douchebag i feel like this is just some guy right he's like no i'm a yule lad he's like i'm 0.62

00:28:24.180 fun i'm cute i'm a yule lad i'm not weird and they're like why do you have pliers uh on december 0.90

00:28:30.400 22nd we have the goth the fade who is the doorway sniffer good old boy doorway sniffer what are

00:28:37.280 you sniffing what what's to be sniffed on a door a lot of people walk through them so maybe he's

00:28:41.800 just taking in all the smells he's known to have an extremely long large nose and an amazing sense

00:28:48.980 of smell he usually uses to seek out yummy some kind of food that i did not look up a pronunciation

00:28:54.760 for like does he i take it he steals probably after sniffing at the door these all kind of

00:29:00.220 seem like they're thieves in some way shape or form yeah they're all they're all food thieves

00:29:05.280 coming out of the hills and then like stealing food whereas like their parents have the audacity

00:29:10.120 to stay in their cave and eat kid stew yeah like this is just a really harrowing tale and the cat

00:29:15.820 cat eats the kids who don't have new clothing for christmas jesus christ what a great family

00:29:20.700 on december 23rd the key yet kroker is the meat hook he has a hook that he uses to swing in and

00:29:28.740 steal your meat oh again thief and snipping your doorways they're swiping your sausages and stealing 0.92

00:29:34.900 On December 24th, we have the Kettasnikir, which is the candle stealer. 0.99

00:29:39.940 He's the one who followed the children around to steal their candles. 1.00

00:29:43.560 Because back when these sort of like myths or folklore came about, candles used to be made from lard.

00:29:49.580 And so another food thief, apparently.

00:29:52.660 Oh, my God.

00:29:53.600 And that was all of the Yule lads.

00:29:55.200 We got through it.

00:29:56.360 Well done.

00:29:57.280 Thank you.

00:29:57.960 That's so creative, you know, Icelandic folklore.

00:30:00.860 like to have all these different yule lads and like that they have a different purpose yeah

00:30:05.620 each one like we're making fun but like it's just that's fascinating it's funny to like read it to

00:30:11.420 you because you're just like coming into this in the dark completely yeah and like because i was

00:30:18.140 listening to a guy on youtube i should probably remember his name we'll put it in the sources

00:30:23.700 yeah he does a lot of um icelandic pronunciation videos and so he was telling the tale about the

00:30:29.820 family with the yule cat and the lazy dad and whatever and i was just like this is just so

00:30:35.360 interesting that they have this folklore about they made up 13 different characters yeah on top

00:30:43.420 of the mom the dad and the yule cat yeah and like can you imagine like being a kid growing up in

00:30:48.820 iceland like once december hits you're just like you know there's something to look forward to

00:30:52.940 every day like this is the day of like the sausage swiper i wonder if this was kind of a way for

00:30:58.580 parents to get their children to help like clean up yeah it's like you better wash all of your 0.56

00:31:03.240 spoons others why is the spoon lickers coming that makes so much sense that would be really funny

00:31:07.980 like that's kind of the fun thing about like so folklore always gives you that sort of glimpse

00:31:12.220 into and fairy tales as well they give you that glimpse into what life was like when they became

00:31:18.180 like well known so like the fact that they're like looking for candles and all that but it's also

00:31:23.860 really like it's really equal like it's this will happen to rich families and poor families like

00:31:30.100 anybody as long as you have like a doorway and a window and pots and pans like they'll come to

00:31:35.780 every house like it's it affects everybody so it's like this real communal thing the yule lads

00:31:40.740 are the great equalizer yeah the great equalizer there's more to dig into if you hear something

00:31:46.920 on the show and you're like wow that's really cool like there's a lot more digging you can do

00:31:52.420 yeah and learn even more about it we're just kind of like we're the sampler yeah and we're we're

00:31:59.680 making fun of these things but it's just like it's like anything when you look back at it as an adult

00:32:03.980 something that's sort of geared towards kids you're just like what what were these people on

00:32:08.080 coming up with this stuff right next up we have la befana the fairy tale version of la befana

00:32:14.500 is that um well this is sort of like uh you know when christianity was like we're gonna change this

00:32:20.120 to our narrative of course like how they made christmas a christian holiday instead of yule

00:32:25.460 which i think we're going to do an episode about so it is said that when the wise men were going

00:32:31.300 to bring gifts to the baby jesus they invited this witch-like woman who was la bifana when they first

00:32:37.540 asked her she said that she didn't want to go with saying that she was too busy with her housework

00:32:42.440 but she later decided that she would follow them and bring gifts for the baby jesus in the christian

00:32:48.460 version she lost her way and wasn't able to give her gifts to jesus so she gave them to the other

00:32:53.120 children like in the town instead okay la bifana does not come on christmas but instead she comes

00:32:59.900 on epiphany in italy the christmas season lasts through epiphany and epiphany is the religious

00:33:06.220 feast which is mostly celebrated by italians it's meant to celebrate when the three wise men showed

00:33:11.840 up to bring gifts for bb jesus it falls on january 6th many children in italy believe in

00:33:19.520 la bifana as well as santa or babbo natale children hang stockings on the night of january 5th

00:33:25.300 and an expectation of la bifana to visit the stockings hang on windows or over fireplaces

00:33:31.200 usually along with a glass of wine or christmas treats such as panettone or other pastries oh

00:33:37.840 she's fancy she's wine and panettone oh she's my kind of girl my husband also loves wine and

00:33:46.000 panettone every year he's like oh like his parents will like always get one of those cakes

00:33:50.840 like we'll go over there on christmas time he's like you guys got the panettone

00:33:54.320 and i'm like you're obsessed so he's like la bafana he's a classy girl you know he really is

00:34:01.880 so the good kids get sweets and like other little knickknacks and stuff like that and bad kids get

00:34:10.260 coal oh always like santa claus yeah uh useful sort of not anymore though um labifana rides on 0.98

00:34:21.080 a broom and she looks like a witch you know she looks like how you'd imagine a witch like with 0.53

00:34:25.800 the dress and like the head covering and stuff like that she's covered in soot though okay because

00:34:31.540 she's always going up and down people's chimneys her origins trace back as early as the 13th 0.70

00:34:39.500 century carl ginsburg who is an italian historian thinks that there is a possibility that befana

00:34:45.420 is an evolution of percda or percda have you ever heard of this no person okay so i think it's percda

00:34:55.320 percta is an alpine goddess from the pagan age she's depicted either as a beautiful woman as

00:35:01.840 palest snow or as a tattered old hag although this can't be confirmed it's just the the

00:35:07.840 similarities and how they look makes it think makes them think that maybe la befana is sort

00:35:13.460 of like an evolution of percta interesting you know when people complain about like that there

00:35:19.140 are no like original movies or anything anymore it's all reboots and stuff yeah like humans would

00:35:24.900 be doing this forever we reboot our like folklore figures we reboot our old stories

00:35:29.900 if we like something we'll just make it again everything's a reboot yeah it's all the reboot

00:35:36.660 other some other theories are that she is evolved from epana which is apparently the celtic goddess

00:35:43.700 of horses ponies donkeys and mules yes or she could have been diana the greek goddess of the

00:35:50.880 hunt neither of these connections are able to be traced but they're just some more theories

00:35:56.260 yeah next up we have our favorite boy krampus yes do you know much about krampus other than

00:36:04.680 just like he's like a creepy evil looking dude i feel like krampus has had like some sort of

00:36:10.200 resurgence over the past like five years yeah there was a there was the movie i think it was

00:36:16.960 yeah it was a movie was it called krampus yes there was another movie because i remember because

00:36:23.180 i was looking for the movie with um adam scott because i knew he was in it is that the krampus

00:36:27.880 movie yes i know i was looking for like links to watch it very legally online and um there was

00:36:34.880 another krampus movie which was like very much like a b movie like it was really really bad

00:36:39.720 and it came out the same year so i think there was like two krampus movies in the same year

00:36:43.560 but like oh yeah one was like with adam scott and like kind of like hollywood people yeah he

00:36:48.760 kind of did get like a resurgence because of those movies yeah which is pretty it's interesting

00:36:54.700 because um i'll get into it yeah we'll we'll circle back okay in central european tradition

00:37:02.920 saint nicholas is usually accompanied by a mischievous sidekick saint nicholas is the nice

00:37:08.280 guy who brings the gifts and his partner is the one who brings coal or other punishments for bad

00:37:13.540 children for example in germany saint nick has neck ruprecht sounds german yeah southern germany

00:37:21.340 and austria they have mr krampus krampus comes from the german word krampen which means claw

00:37:28.540 oh also what you go through when you're on your period

00:37:31.880 oh yeah i'm just kramping it said that krampus is the son of the norse god hell

00:37:41.420 he is half goat half man in appearance resembling a satyr from greek mythology

00:37:46.180 he has long horns claws and a goat-like beard he has a long pointed tongue and hooves instead of

00:37:53.880 feet he's usually wrapped in like chains and bells and he sort of resembles the way that

00:37:59.100 the devil is depicted in a lot of paintings and illustrations grandpa's is said to beat children

00:38:04.920 with birch branches or put them in his sack and bring them back to his lair oh god which sounds

00:38:11.100 terrifying no yeah who wants to be put in a sack or beaten with anything yeah branches as well like

00:38:20.280 it's not even like a good dry slap you know right he's using a weapon pre-christian era krampus is

00:38:27.560 said to watch over humans protect them and scare away evil ghosts and help people overcome their

00:38:32.420 fears the catholic church and conservative christian groups tried to banish krampus

00:38:37.160 celebrations due to krampus resembling the devil of course they did at one point during the

00:38:42.320 inquisition it was forbidden to masquerade as the devil and he was even punishable by death 0.86

00:38:47.100 can you imagine you like put on a costume and they're like come to the gallows with us wait

00:38:51.580 what just some poor unfortunate looking guy with a beard and a really long tongue and they're like

00:38:56.400 no wearing like a sheepskin coat he's like no i was just trying something out you think it's cold

00:39:02.340 out but due to the laws about dressing up as the devil the customs and traditions only survived in

00:39:08.020 very rural areas from there it made its way back into popularity once it was safe again the villagers

00:39:14.620 were keeping it alive holding down the fort so there's a centuries old folk custom called the

00:39:20.240 krampus run or the krampus lau it's held in mid-november to early december it is usually on

00:39:26.400 december 5th or 6th because that's saint nicholas's day it's held in the alpine region which is

00:39:32.180 south bavaria south austria and slovania in larger places like munich and salzburg krampus runs take

00:39:39.280 the form of parades and the parades march through the christmas markets that are held

00:39:43.460 the parades are put on by krampus passen which are krampus clubs sponsored by local businesses

00:39:50.540 they dress in krampus costumes carved of wooden masks pelts and loud bells these are interactive

00:39:56.980 parades apparently will like pull spectators like into the parade oh god and they'll like

00:40:03.100 they'll like mess with their hair or they might like hit them with a branch like to like be like

00:40:08.400 krampus and i was like i would not no i would be hiding yeah i would be like in my window like

00:40:14.500 looking out um but it just makes me wonder i'm like how if they're hitting people with branches

00:40:21.260 like how hard are they hitting them yeah it's like is there assault going on here but the parade is

00:40:29.040 usually led by a saint somebody dressed as saint nicholas and followed by tons of people dressed

00:40:34.360 as krampus perctin perctin i think we said before or i said before she's the goddess of alpine

00:40:40.580 paganism perctin is like the the collective word for people dressed like the goddess percta

00:40:46.040 and Hexen, which are witches, as well as other figures from Alpine folklore. So Perkton have

00:40:52.340 four to ten horns, while Krampus only have two. Masks are made with materials such as pinewood,

00:40:58.520 driftwood, horsehair, animal teeth, fur, and horns from Alpine creatures. Some people will argue

00:41:05.060 that Krampus is just the balance to Saint Nicholas or Santa. Saint Nicholas is there to reward

00:41:10.440 children who have done good, and then Krampus is there to carry out justice against those who

00:41:15.780 misbehave he's long gnarled arm of the law a long hairy hoof of the law

00:41:22.860 but it's like what the hell is saint nicholas doing this whole time is he just like turning 0.68

00:41:28.240 a blind eye right and krampus is beating some guy and santa's like anyway uh here's the toy car 0.51

00:41:36.260 he's like he's my sidekick i can't control him he's the rogue one krampus has gone rogue he's

00:41:42.880 holding a switch not the toy the branch so yeah that was my episode uh to touch upon different

00:41:51.080 santa-like characters i really enjoyed it that was cool thank you one of those things that like

00:41:57.260 over the years you slowly you get exposed to like one or two of these things and you kind of hear

00:42:02.600 about them and you mean to go look it up and then you never actually do like the most i know about

00:42:07.340 krampus is from that movie and i'm not going to trust that so that's cool to know that like

00:42:11.440 there's whole festivals and clubs dedicated to doing it like in the same way we would have a

00:42:16.180 santa and one of the articles that i read it was saying that these like krampus parades have gotten

00:42:20.840 so popular and especially now with the invention of the internet there's like krampus festivals in

00:42:26.840 the u.s now too oh and apparently los angeles holds like a really big one which is pretty cool

00:42:33.340 and then i looked up i was like are there any in chicago and i found like they do a krampus market

00:42:38.720 here okay which i think is actually i don't think it's related to like krampus because if i recall

00:42:45.560 correctly i know some of the people who like well i don't know them but i know of the people who

00:42:50.200 hold it and it's like a it's like a play on words it's like a women's charity market and like when

00:42:56.280 you come you're supposed to bring a box of like pads or tampons to donate to like women's shelters

00:43:00.800 that's cute they also do hold krampus parties here apparently yeah that's really cool i just

00:43:06.980 like when traditions can um like escape the boundaries of like where they were formed and

00:43:12.320 especially in the u.s i feel like we don't have i don't know i maybe it's just me but i feel like

00:43:16.760 there's not a lot of like folklore traditions other than like santa claus yeah it's cool to

00:43:22.360 me that now people are like embracing traditions from other places and it's something that like

00:43:27.460 you can like if you have like that kind of heritage you can introduce your kids and be

00:43:31.200 like this is like from like where your grandparents are from or your great great great grandparents

00:43:35.420 are from and this is this is what they would have celebrated when they were kids and now we're

00:43:39.900 celebrating i'll tell my children and this the spoon licker and the door sniffer and the yogurt

00:43:45.800 gobbler or whatever he is pretty sure i have some skitter in my fridge and i'm gonna be like

00:43:52.840 thinking of it now every time perfect okay so i hope you enjoyed our episode on krampus la befana

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Rowan & Pine: A Feminist Folklore & Mythology Podcast - December 07, 2022

Episode Fourteen： Krampus, Yule Lads, Ded Moroz - Santa...adjacent？

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