Rowan & Pine: A Feminist Folklore & Mythology Podcast - Episode Thirty-Eight： Ravens & Crows - night crap

00:00:00.000 caw caw motherfuckers and go 1.00

00:00:12.100 i didn't plan to say caw caw but if you're reading the title of this episode you know 1.00

00:00:20.540 why i said it yeah it's funny too because in my research people referred to it as croaking

00:00:27.980 and i was like i guess oh with that noise yeah kind of like that nice nice so hi everybody

00:00:36.500 welcome back to ronan pine hello this is episode 38 can you believe it i can't believe it i'm

00:00:43.720 emily and i am the i'm the anti-social half of the podcast she's a secret mysterious one i'm

00:00:52.820 the one who like you you guys are all sick of seeing my face they're not sick of seeing your

00:00:57.520 face you have a wonderful face with filters on it yes was it yesterday that you posted the

00:01:02.740 the video where it's like when people try to talk to my my shy co-host or whatever

00:01:07.720 yeah she doesn't want to talk to you i love that meme so much it was pretty funny it was originally

00:01:15.140 like a girl posted she was like when people try to talk to my girlfriend and she's like scram

00:01:19.900 I love that it's very fitting yeah because if like anybody addresses anything to you I just

00:01:25.740 answer for you and like tell her later if it's worth telling you're like Emily doesn't want to

00:01:30.920 talk to you it's also funny because when I was a kid I was like painfully painfully shy I like

00:01:37.680 didn't speak pretty much I probably said it before on the podcast but I don't even know if I've

00:01:42.960 talked about but I have a twin brother and he would always like speak for me when we were kids

00:01:47.800 so he'd be like hi i'm michael this is my twin sister emily and he'd be like emily doesn't want

00:01:52.860 to do that emily doesn't like that like he was like always answering for me it's so sweet though

00:01:59.780 it's sweet like as kids yeah although we may have mentioned like when i was a server and uh i would

00:02:07.640 go up to a table and there would be like a couple like obviously on a date and he would try to order 0.89

00:02:11.640 for her i would just ignore whatever he said and just look at her be like what do you want not cute

00:02:16.860 at all did you did you tell him you wanted that did he ask you about the wine what do you want

00:02:21.480 like stop trying to bring me into your little suave thing here i'm not part of this it's like

00:02:27.100 girl run i'm just kidding but not yeah i'm not actually kidding blink twice if you're okay i'll

00:02:34.620 be waiting in the bathroom for you if you need me yeah yikes but it is it is cute when you think

00:02:39.280 about like a little kid talking for their sibling yeah it is sweet i remember there would be like

00:02:44.040 times where he'd be like my sister's scared or some of the times that he was scared yeah maybe

00:02:51.460 we were both scared but he just i was like the scapegoat sweet pretty funny i do remember when

00:02:58.160 we were we were little and we were on like a like a tiny like a tiny roller coaster for little kids

00:03:04.100 which is like not scary at all but i started getting really scared and he just starts like

00:03:09.180 yelling he's like stop the ride stop the ride the pure drama yeah she's not enjoying herself she's

00:03:15.680 not okay so i'm just picturing because there was one of those like close to where i lived growing

00:03:22.740 up and it was like a caterpillar and it was like a roller coaster but it was in the shape of like

00:03:26.320 basically the hungry caterpillar i feel like that might have been the same one or like very similar

00:03:31.220 because i'm pretty sure it was a caterpillar there's probably like one model for like kids

00:03:35.640 under seven yeah that like just goes all over the world yeah and it's like obviously terrifying when

00:03:41.520 you are seven yeah and when you're 16 isn't it weird though like as you get older you are like

00:03:49.120 less daring like i used to love roller coasters and i feel like now i just would not be the same

00:03:53.720 yeah yeah i tried to get on a roller coaster i don't know might have been like seven-ish years

00:03:58.860 ago it's like right after i moved here i went to six flags with modardo and his sister and her

00:04:03.660 boyfriend at the time they're married now but shout outs to melina she was on the show melina

00:04:10.620 but um what was i saying oh i used to love roller coasters and i would go on them all the time and

00:04:18.100 i hadn't been on one in probably 10 years and so we went on one and then like afterwards i was not

00:04:23.380 okay i think like as you get older you know all the things that can go wrong so obviously like

00:04:28.780 you're just constantly thinking like what if they didn't do the proper checks what if there's a

00:04:34.000 screw loose somewhere what if we get stuck up there what if this happens yeah it's also my

00:04:38.700 excuse for learning to drive so late in life yeah guys and you've just learned how to drive like

00:04:45.160 four years ago true hey i drive manual right that's i'm sticking behind that i'm not it's

00:04:54.060 not automatic it's very hard yeah it is harder to drive manual so kudos and now all the new cars

00:05:01.620 are automatic so it was all for nothing that's not fair is your car automatic no like our current

00:05:08.560 car is not automatic but um like everything basically after like i'm gonna pull a number 0.51

00:05:13.340 out of my ass 2019 is just being made automatic now you basically can't buy manual cars anymore

00:05:19.000 yeah my brother had a manual car not that long ago he bought it on purpose because he's very 0.99

00:05:24.820 into like the like the car culture i don't i don't get it anyway but we're all just like why

00:05:31.260 did you do that like there's an easier way why did you actively choose something more difficult

00:05:36.980 for yourself yeah for real anywho but anyway we are seven minutes in and we're talking about cars

00:05:43.200 Yeah, which is not the same as crows.

00:05:46.520 But we should be talking about the other C word.

00:05:48.200 Yeah, the croaking crows.

00:05:50.100 So, yes, I am Niamh, by the way.

00:05:51.860 I don't think I introduced myself.

00:05:53.840 And this is an Emily episode, so...

00:05:56.360 Yay.

00:05:57.940 Any hoodles. 1.00

00:05:58.860 Right, tell me about damn crows. 1.00

00:06:00.840 The damn crows. 1.00

00:06:02.440 Okay. 1.00

00:06:02.940 Yeah.

00:06:03.200 So, this episode is going to be on ravens and crows.

00:06:07.260 I was debating doing the whole Corvid family, which crows fall under.

00:06:11.940 but then i was like lol there's a lot so we're not doing that also side note i feel like people

00:06:18.680 would misread corvid as covid and think that we're um covid deniers just yeah a whole episode

00:06:24.380 about like this is made up yeah well if you um look up corvid on wikipedia so it's got like a

00:06:31.660 separate link and it was like confused with covid 19 did you mean covid yeah like no so ravens and

00:06:40.500 Crows both fall under the Corvidae family of birds.

00:06:43.680 Other birds in this family include the carrion, magpies, and jays,

00:06:47.760 which are like Stellar's jays, Blue Jays.

00:06:51.000 Shout out Toronto.

00:06:52.020 What?

00:06:52.580 Shout out Toronto.

00:06:55.320 Oh, yeah, the Blue Jays.

00:06:55.840 The baseball team's the Blue Jays.

00:06:58.720 Do you guys have Blue Jays in Ireland?

00:07:00.740 I don't think so.

00:07:01.780 Interesting.

00:07:02.620 Somebody's going to like message me now and be like, 0.99

00:07:04.380 Niamh, what the fuck we do? 0.97

00:07:05.880 I don't know. 0.99

00:07:06.400 I've never seen any.

00:07:07.260 They're actually in the south or something.

00:07:10.200 Yeah.

00:07:10.500 But in total, there are 135 species included in the Corvidae family, which is why I didn't cover all of them.

00:07:20.900 Corvids are one of the smartest species of birds to be studied so far.

00:07:24.800 Their brain to body mass ratio is equal to that of the non-human great apes and cetaceans, which are sperm whale, humpback whale, orcas, etc.

00:07:34.380 ooh so all those ones that like are a kid's favorite um animal growing up because they're

00:07:40.700 like they're so smart yeah and they saved people yeah their brains are like the same ratio as those

00:07:47.560 jesus animals and nearly us because the great apes are like basically like one step below us

00:07:55.560 probably better than some people to be honest 0.85

00:07:58.360 arguably um in studies of corvids they have been found to recognize themselves in mirrors and make

00:08:06.900 tools these are skills that were believed to only belong to humans corvids are found worldwide

00:08:12.940 except the southern tip of south america and the polar ice caps which is probably why there's a lot

00:08:18.600 of myth and folklore surrounding these incredibly smart birds what adds to their spookiness and

00:08:23.880 mystery is the fact that a group of crows is called a murder of grows love that i've always

00:08:30.600 loved that like that incubus album what one crow left of the murder such an amazing album title

00:08:35.860 but is the album good uh it has megalomaniac on it so yeah it is good oh is that what that album

00:08:43.400 is called i never knew yeah like i i can see the album cover but never knew what it was called

00:08:49.720 that's funny yeah all right so the symbolism symbolism of ravens and crows ravens represent

00:09:00.000 wisdom intelligence transformation loss ill omen inner healing and in some cultures they're

00:09:07.660 considered protective spirits or guardians crows are said to symbolize death transition or

00:09:15.560 transformation they're considered to be cleansers of land and mind wisdom intuition good luck new

00:09:23.220 beginnings adaptability prescience and destiny definitely some i've never heard before like

00:09:29.620 i've never heard like transformation or anything yeah me either that's so interesting and cleansing

00:09:36.120 is cleansing in there yeah yeah i don't know it's really interesting how like i think a lot of people

00:09:42.820 just assume that they're kind of like bad luck or representing ill omen and things like that but

00:09:49.840 then yeah there's a lot of cultures that believe that they're like signs of good luck and they

00:09:55.660 bring wisdom and stuff like that and that they're actually really important and they're really

00:09:59.220 respected so we're gonna hop on over to germany all aboard deutsch air or what's what's what's

00:10:08.140 Lufthansa? Is that the German airline?

00:10:10.300 Deutsch Air.

00:10:11.920 Lufthansa, I think it is.

00:10:15.040 German air. 1.00

00:10:17.660 Germ air. 1.00

00:10:18.560 I don't want to be on that flight.

00:10:20.920 So in German folklore, there is something called the night raven or Nachtkrab.

00:10:26.780 I hope I'm saying this right.

00:10:28.500 But this is described as a giant raven-like bird that would only come out at night.

00:10:32.940 the most common legends of the nakhtrap speak of the creature coming out at night to hunt little 0.95

00:10:39.400 children oh shit it were to be seen by children it would abduct them take them back to its nest 0.98

00:10:45.380 and devour them limb by limb then finishing it off by picking out their heart oh jesus 0.99

00:10:51.700 can you imagine like telling your child this folklore yes why is it always so detailed

00:10:59.020 Germany, are you okay?

00:11:00.980 We tell the children about the dismemberment 0.64

00:11:03.220 and then they don't be naughty.

00:11:04.800 Like, okay.

00:11:05.700 Yeah, just tell the kids that like a giant crow

00:11:07.840 will pick out their heart and they'll be, it's fine. 1.00

00:11:10.540 Then we wonder why Germans are so serious. 0.79

00:11:13.120 They won't be scarred for life.

00:11:16.900 In some lesser known legends, 0.99

00:11:19.220 the Nackstrap will abduct children

00:11:21.560 by putting them in its bag and taking them away. 1.00

00:11:24.500 Where are they getting a bag?

00:11:25.960 What?

00:11:26.120 this is just like the wolf with the belt all over again remember that from our werewolf episode

00:11:31.160 why do these animals have clothing it's so funny the wolf strap and the crow bag

00:11:37.760 it's like so what kind of bag are we talking like a burlap sack is it like a louis vuitton

00:11:44.300 is it a cute little tote they got at the art gallery

00:11:47.120 is it a birkin also can we talk about the fact that the people give away too many 0.98

00:11:54.740 freaking tote bags yeah i have so many goddamn tote bags and they're all so creased because i 0.96

00:12:01.620 fold them up and i put the places and then it takes wearing them around for like three days 0.96

00:12:05.520 for the creases to fall out there's totes everywhere yeah we're now making sure that

00:12:12.120 we could never release totes as merchants yeah i refuse or we could make totes and be like why

00:12:19.260 do people give away so many totes let's just put that as the design we have another tote bag for

00:12:26.600 you there's also the voodender knackt crap please forgive me anybody who might speak german i just 0.81

00:12:37.020 i just keep thinking you're saying night crap and i'm like diarrhea i mean that's like basically 0.95

00:12:41.820 how it's spelled. It's Nacht 0.96

00:12:43.700 and then K-R-A-P-P. 1.00

00:12:46.300 Oh. So the 1.00

00:12:47.760 Wutender Nachtgrab translates

00:12:49.840 to angry night raven.

00:12:52.140 This one is said to crow loudly and

00:12:53.840 flutter its wings until the children are so

00:12:55.700 scared that they fall silent.

00:12:57.560 That's the opposite of what children do when they're

00:12:59.760 scared.

00:13:02.480 Yeah, they're going to run away 1.00

00:13:03.820 screaming, but maybe the German children are

00:13:05.720 different. Oh, maybe, yeah. 1.00

00:13:07.620 Finally, we have the Gute Nachtgrab,

00:13:09.940 which means good night raven.

00:13:11.820 this is a rare but sweet little guy that will enter a child's room and gently sing them to sleep

00:13:17.400 i would like to be visited by that one but the question is can ravens sing though

00:13:23.220 because i feel like they're not good singers

00:13:26.140 stuff like that yeah it's like this doesn't feel so sweet but thank you i appreciate the effort

00:13:37.520 similarly to german mythology about ravens the swedish have natramnen also known as night ravens

00:13:45.460 these are said to be the ghosts of children who died before they were baptized but were still

00:13:51.160 buried on hallowed ground also ghosts of those who completed suicide or those who were not buried

00:13:57.320 properly or those who died of certain illnesses such as sexually transmitted diseases whoa okay

00:14:04.700 whoa buddy because everything you said before that is like what remember like they would bury

00:14:11.580 people at crossroads that didn't like fit into the graveyards right it can be buried because

00:14:15.760 it's actually transmitted diseases come on so like some poor lady whose husband is a piece 0.99

00:14:21.400 of shit they caught one and then gave it to her she's like i'm not the one who got herpes it was 0.99

00:14:27.200 him also side note i laughed so hard when i was making that video about herpes like our clip 0.99

00:14:34.500 from that today and i sent you a screenshot where the um auto caption thought emily was talking

00:14:40.160 about herpes it was like we're gonna talk about what terrorized the ancient greeks herpes which

00:14:46.900 not wrong it could have been a problem i guess i don't even know but so these night ravens in

00:14:54.620 sweden were said to appear in graveyards at night and usually on weekends so they're party birds

00:15:00.300 oh okay they had school or something yeah they were busy in night raven school

00:15:06.960 but the way to identify them in comparison to normal ravens was the fact that the night ravens

00:15:13.520 did not have eyes or else they had glowing red eyes and if someone were to look into the void

00:15:18.800 of their eyes they were to suffer illness or even death that's horrifying but also there's a lot to

00:15:25.780 be said for a jaunty hat like they could have just been wearing hats and that's how you

00:15:30.440 differentiate them like why why creepy glowing eyes now it's got a cabbie hat on this is like 0.96

00:15:39.340 the burning skulls of death um the natramnan are said to go after pregnant women and small children

00:15:46.480 which okay screw you people who encountered the natramnan but survived them were said to 0.76

00:15:55.480 consistently hear the screeching sounds of the bird for the rest of their days unless they recited 0.72

00:16:00.500 prayers that would keep the sound away a way to stop the creature was to create a church grim

00:16:06.380 have you heard of church grims i'm going to talk about church grims in my pine cones episode this

00:16:13.400 month what watch us have different information no mine is just a passing thing just where the

00:16:21.240 word grim came from that's it oh okay yeah so the church grim is a guardian spirit who would

00:16:27.880 protect the church grounds from thieves vandals witches warlocks and the devil himself it would

00:16:33.880 almost always appear as a black dog in the 19th century folklorists believed that the custom was

00:16:39.680 to bury a dog alive underneath the cornerstone of a church as part of the foundation in hopes

00:16:45.300 that the animal sacrifices ghost would serve as the church grim which is pretty sad yeah it's also

00:16:52.440 that's like almost exactly the information that i had come across but it's also a callback to

00:16:58.800 last year's halloween episode because papa legba they think that his spirit is actually the first

00:17:07.240 man who was buried in that graveyard and that's why he's a guardian of the graveyard and he's

00:17:12.040 to like welcome people into the graveyard so this whole thing of like the first being buried there

00:17:17.960 becoming the guardian is really i love that i don't know why i just think yeah it seems like

00:17:24.560 an honor not for the living dog but i was gonna say uh not to be buried alive but i guess if you're

00:17:31.500 the first dead being to be buried there um in norse mythology the god odin sacrificed one of

00:17:43.680 his eyes for wisdom and knowledge of things hidden from him odin had two ravens that he relied on for

00:17:49.580 help their names were hugin and moonin and my husband has them tattooed on him oh that's cool

00:17:58.680 yeah uh but i my favorite thing is asking him to name them because he either forgets or says it

00:18:04.680 like that yeah i was kind of like oh in the u.s you could read it as hugging and munnen

00:18:12.400 hugging and munnen but um their names are mean thought and mind so hoogan is thought and moonen

00:18:21.860 is mind yeah isn't it funny that like that image of odin if that was a person now you would he

00:18:28.200 would just be like that weird guy in your town who has an eye patch and two pet crows you're like

00:18:33.460 yeah that's uh that's Seamus he lives down by the river I was gonna say I feel like Ireland's a

00:18:39.780 little different than the US in that sense yeah Seamus lives down by the river they tried to put

00:18:45.540 him in a home he wouldn't go so now he's down by the river with his crows he buys the teenagers

00:18:51.340 drink when they want to yeah as long as they give them a little bit of money um but every morning

00:19:00.100 the ravens took off in order to see what was going on around the world and in the evening

00:19:04.720 they would return and deliver messages of what they had seen and heard to odin in many writings

00:19:09.860 odin is referred to as the raven god now we're gonna skip on down to australia astraya australia

00:19:18.160 nar that's that's probably terrible our nar that we just have to do it hey people make fun of my

00:19:23.940 accent all the time i'm allowed to do it back people only make fun of me when i sound midwestern

00:19:29.380 so because it's delightful it's yeah it's funny my mom was just here over the weekend so i feel

00:19:36.500 like my minnesotans still kind of wearing off um so now nanda in australian aboriginal mythology

00:19:45.380 there is a story told of the Seven Sisters. The legend is told by the Wurundjeri people of the

00:19:52.400 Kulin Nation. The Seven Sisters existed in the dream time, also known as the Dreaming, which

00:19:59.380 quote, is a term devised by early anthropologists to refer to a religio-cultural worldview

00:20:07.020 attributed to the Australian Aboriginal mythology. The Dreaming is used to represent

00:20:12.520 aboriginal concepts of everyone during which the land was inhabited by ancestral figures often of

00:20:18.900 heroic proportions or with supernatural abilities these figures were often distinct from gods as

00:20:25.100 they did not control the material world and were not worshipped but only revered the concept of

00:20:30.160 the dream time has subsequently become widely adopted beyond its original australian context

00:20:36.020 and is now part of global popular culture so like the dreaming is basically where the

00:20:43.320 the spirits inhabit right is that what i'm am i hearing that right um i thought it was like kind

00:20:49.680 of like a time period everyone ah so it's it's almost like a version of biblical times yeah

00:20:56.160 like that like the creation times and right everybody came to be okay sorry i just wanted

00:21:01.080 to get my head around it so yeah i'm able to ask questions yeah in the dream time the seven

00:21:07.280 sisters were the only ones to possess the secret of fire each one of the sisters carried a live

00:21:12.780 coal at the end of a digging stick which helped them cook the yams that they would dig out of the

00:21:17.400 ground the sisters didn't share their secret with anyone but they were tricked when they met a

00:21:23.040 mischievous crow the crow had buried a bunch of snakes in an ant mound and told the sisters that

00:21:29.020 he had found ant larva which tasted way better than yams when the women began digging for the

00:21:34.660 ant larva the snakes became angered and attacked the sisters panicked the sisters screamed and 0.96

00:21:40.900 began beating the snakes snakes with their digging sticks the sisters swung with such

00:21:46.500 might that the coals flew off the end of the digging sticks the crow sat waiting for his

00:21:51.200 moment and gathered the lost coals and hid them in a kangaroo skin bag another crow with a bag

00:21:57.600 whoa that just answers the question though it's like what kind of bag is it kangaroo skin

00:22:02.920 yeah this one is more specific when the sisters realized what happened they chased the crow but

00:22:09.100 could not catch him this is when fire was brought to mankind in another legend the sisters burned

00:22:15.900 the crow when they discovered him attempting to steal the fire which is what caused him to turn

00:22:20.420 black and charred oh suck it crow i'm just kidding i do love the whole like the way the

00:22:29.200 crows are almost well it's not typecast but like characterized as mischievous like they have like 0.95

00:22:36.520 they're one to be playing tricks on you yeah yeah they just want to be messing with you

00:22:41.660 poking at you now moving on to hinduism in hinduism crows are seen as messengers between

00:22:50.300 the physical and spiritual worlds it's believed that when you offer food to crows that they are

00:22:55.020 carrying the essence of the offering to ancestors who have passed on the understanding is that the

00:23:00.640 ancestors continue to exist in different ways after they have left the physical world and that

00:23:05.520 feeding the crows is showing respect and gratitude towards said ancestors i love that like the

00:23:11.480 offerings to the ancestors yeah it's very nice i also like feel like that could be a very like

00:23:17.620 cool way of um encouraging people to be nice to wild animals like oh but you're feeding your

00:23:23.900 ancestors yeah that's your grandma why would you want your grandma to starve 0.59

00:23:30.660 people who follow hinduism believe in karma which is the law of cause and effect this holds people

00:23:40.040 to their actions whether good or bad to believe in karma is to believe that one's actions have

00:23:44.920 consequences it is said in hinduism that feeding crows can balance someone's karma

00:23:49.460 quote it is seen as a selfless and compassionate act which can help mitigate negative karma and

00:23:55.520 bring positive energy into our lives this practice aligns with the belief that the universe operates

00:24:01.360 on the principle of balance end quote from times of india that's sweet and also shows taylor swift

00:24:08.960 did not invent karma oh my god do people think that no we don't know that they they're not

00:24:15.120 responsible for dave growl's downfall yeah and that shooting on donald trump

00:24:19.820 in hindu mythology shani is the god of karma justice and retribution and delivers results

00:24:28.880 depending upon one's thoughts speech and deeds he is the deity associated with the planet saturn

00:24:34.740 and is usually depicted with a crow.

00:24:37.480 Feeding crows is a way to appease Shani

00:24:39.580 and assure that he will assist one through life's ups and downs. 0.66

00:24:44.420 See, it's not completely...

00:24:46.760 You're kind of doing it to serve yourself, aren't you?

00:24:49.980 If you're like feeding, you're just like,

00:24:51.320 oh, you take care of me, bro.

00:24:53.740 That's fine.

00:24:54.860 Like, have some good seeds, man.

00:24:56.780 It's like, this is like Mr. Beast,

00:24:58.320 the whole like moral debate over...

00:25:00.580 So he gives so much to charity,

00:25:02.600 but he monetizes his videos.

00:25:04.740 where he's giving people stuff but also he wouldn't be able to afford to give them stuff

00:25:09.640 if he didn't monetize his videos so it's like this whole like feedback loop of like is it like

00:25:13.920 morally neutral then i don't know yeah he's dead behind the eyes so there's something there or not

00:25:20.500 there there's something there and the fact that there's something not there yeah i don't know

00:25:26.400 i don't think anyone will ever agree on it so i think it's like you could debate that forever

00:25:31.300 because he's not been completely selfless but at the same time there are plenty of people who make

00:25:35.500 the kind of money he does that don't do what he does right but it helps him make even more money

00:25:40.020 i don't know i love when i hear those like you know george michael the singer the singer yeah

00:25:45.420 so after he died there were literally like i would say at least 10 stories that came out about

00:25:51.640 stuff that he had done for people uh medical bills he'd paid charities that he'd given huge

00:25:58.480 sums of money to and swore them to secrecy and they were only allowed to talk about it after he 0.82

00:26:03.380 died i'm like that's a good fucking person right because you don't it's like you don't want you 0.83

00:26:09.420 know like the people who will be like oh look i'm giving a charity and have to like take a photo of 0.99

00:26:14.080 like them like handing things to like poor little children do you remember this is like a fucking 0.82

00:26:19.480 this is an ancient meme but like do you remember when there was those paparazzi photos of pete 0.77

00:26:24.120 wins give giving food to a homeless guy but somebody like uploaded them in reverse so it

00:26:31.080 looked like he was stealing food from a homeless guy and everyone's like yeah checks out it's pete

00:26:38.300 wins i don't remember that but that is really funny they were showing it as like an an exercise

00:26:46.080 in like how the media can manipulate things like just by presenting it differently yeah it's just

00:26:51.840 such a great example so i'm gonna talk now about native american mythology and folklore

00:27:00.120 i told neve before we started the episode that there's like a ton of it so or i picked out a

00:27:08.480 story that was like one of my favorites and i'm gonna read that one because we could do

00:27:14.280 probably like an entire like two-part series on native american folklore around crows and ravens

00:27:21.080 there's a lot the raven is prevalent in native american and first nations folklore

00:27:28.200 through different nations of native americans the stories of the raven may vary but a lot of

00:27:33.960 the themes stay the same the raven is always a magical being seen mainly as a trickster who

00:27:39.360 is focused on fulfilling his own gluttonous needs or desires the raven is able to take form of humans

00:27:45.400 animals, and even inanimate objects. The raven is often associated with the creation myths and

00:27:51.340 stories to tell children how to behave. He is seen as a protagonist in some groups and an

00:27:56.580 antagonist in others, sometimes the hero and sometimes the entertainment. One version of

00:28:02.060 the raven creation story is that of Katu in California. In one variant, raven is taught by

00:28:09.060 his father to be a creator, but Raven is unsatisfied with the result. He creates the

00:28:17.080 world but is unable to give it light or water. On hearing that light could be found hidden in

00:28:22.420 a far off land, Raven decides to travel there and steal it. In the house of light, he finds

00:28:28.480 a young woman living with her father and plays the first of many tricks. He turns himself 0.94

00:28:34.560 into a speck of dirt, slips into her drinking water, and is swallowed. The daughter becomes

00:28:40.900 pregnant, and she gave birth to an unusual and fussy child who cried constantly and demanded

00:28:46.540 to touch one of the bundles which had been stored hanging from the walls. The child is given one of

00:28:52.900 the bags to quiet him, but when he tries playing with it, he lets it go, and it floats away from

00:28:57.920 him and disappears through the smoke hole. Once it reaches the sky, the bundle comes undone and

00:29:04.400 scatters stars across the sky when the child cries to have it back again he is given the

00:29:10.020 second bundle to play with and lets it float away through the hole in the ceiling thus releasing the

00:29:15.420 moon it all happens again with a third and last bundle which flies away and becomes sunlight

00:29:21.660 after bringing light to the whole world he too flies out through the smoke hole

00:29:27.000 that's such a sweet creation story yeah i love it and that's why i decided to read that one

00:29:34.860 because i was like this one is so nice visually that is so beautiful like you know the star

00:29:41.420 scattering across the sky the moon all of that yeah and like letting it go through this little

00:29:47.160 hole and then it just like appears yeah and it was all like basically came from a child you know

00:29:53.440 like a yeah a child just letting it all go that story immediately like the illustrator brain

00:29:59.200 turned on and it was just like how could this be illustrated i'm sure people have done it which

00:30:04.860 i should look for because that would be like really pretty to have at my house but i think

00:30:08.780 you would do a really good job on that thank you in some mythology ravens are associated with

00:30:16.380 witches in welsh mythology the raven is a sign that death is imminent it's also said that witches

00:30:23.700 turned into ravens to fly away and avoid capture in german folklore it is believed that ravens were 0.97

00:30:29.800 ghosts of the damn souls or even the devil himself what is germany's beef with ravens 0.93

00:30:35.220 and crows for real they just really didn't like them on walpurgisnacht which is the night of april 0.99

00:30:43.800 30th, witches fly off in the

00:30:45.860 form of ravens and crows to Brocken Mountain 0.75

00:30:47.940 to celebrate the Great Witches' Sabbath.

00:30:50.640 It was believed they took form

00:30:52.020 of ravens and crows because those were

00:30:53.860 the witches' familiars. 0.66

00:30:55.860 Okay, I am putting April 30th 0.94

00:30:58.000 in our

00:30:58.880 calendar because we need to

00:31:01.900 mark that next April.

00:31:04.860 Isn't it?

00:31:06.180 I feel like it's celebrated

00:31:07.620 in

00:31:09.400 like Central

00:31:11.820 Europe? Oh, in Ireland?

00:31:13.800 I don't know.

00:31:14.740 Yeah, but it's called something else.

00:31:17.440 Maybe not.

00:31:18.460 Well, the only thing we have in, we have Baltina.

00:31:21.220 That's in February.

00:31:22.980 Okay.

00:31:23.460 And March is...

00:31:24.180 Because it's the day before May Day, like the 1st of May.

00:31:28.520 Isn't that a thing?

00:31:29.800 Am I making this holiday?

00:31:30.640 No, we get a holiday for May, but I don't think we have a name for it.

00:31:35.920 Okay, so Emily is correct here.

00:31:37.920 Thank you to our commenter on Spotify, Cora.

00:31:41.320 i somehow forgot about the existence of imbalog and mixed it up with baltina so please ignore

00:31:48.340 everything i'm saying here what emily's referring to is baltina and it is the celtic mayday festival

00:31:53.260 sorry brain fart it's just like mayday but either way ron and pine need to do something about it

00:31:59.220 in ukrainian mythology the raven is believed to at one point be a beautifully colored bird and

00:32:04.480 have a melodious call then the fall of angels from heaven happened and the crow turned black

00:32:10.040 and began calling out with its croaking voice that we all know today.

00:32:14.320 It is believed that when paradise is restored on Earth,

00:32:17.020 they will turn back into beautiful birds that they originally were.

00:32:20.500 Oh.

00:32:21.960 That's, like, hauntingly beautiful, but also...

00:32:25.820 Yeah, it's, like, it's nice and sad all at the same time.

00:32:29.200 But also, ravens are beautiful.

00:32:31.040 They are.

00:32:31.760 Like, they don't need to be colorful to be beautiful. 1.00

00:32:34.400 You assholes. 1.00

00:32:35.340 in east asia there is mythology and artistic representations of a three-legged crow the crow 0.99

00:32:42.160 was believed to represent and inhabit the sun according to chinese folklore there were originally

00:32:48.020 10 sun crows that lived in 10 different suns these crows sat on a fusang which means leaning mulberry

00:32:56.040 tree in the east at the foot of the valley of the sun every day one of the sun crows would be taken

00:33:02.120 to travel the world on a carriage driven by the Sia, also known as the Mother of the Suns.

00:33:08.040 When one crow returned, another would take off on its journey across the sky.

00:33:12.660 According to the Shunhaijing, the suncrows loved eating two grasses of immortality,

00:33:18.380 one called the Diri, which is the ground sun, and the other called the Chunshin,

00:33:23.260 which means the spring grow. But Sia did not like this, so she covered their eyes to keep

00:33:29.060 them from doing so in folklore it is said that in 2170 bc all of the 10 sun crows came out at once 0.64

00:33:36.360 and caused the world to burn but who ye the celestial archer saved the day by shooting all 1.00

00:33:42.740 but one of the crows murderous little fuckers we're gonna burn the world 0.99

00:33:49.040 and because we just covered ravens and crows and it is october which is spooky month we are going 0.99

00:33:57.920 to be reading the raven by edgar allen poe cue the music once upon a midnight dreary while i

00:34:07.440 pondered weak and weary over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore while i nodded

00:34:14.220 nearly napping suddenly there came a tapping as of someone gently rapping rapping at my chamber

00:34:21.160 door. Tis some visitor, I muttered, tapping at my chamber door, only this, and nothing more.

00:34:29.340 Ah, distinctly, I remember it was in the bleak December, and each separate dying ember wrought

00:34:35.220 its ghost upon the floor. Eagerly, I wished the morrow, vainly, I had sought to borrow,

00:34:40.740 from my books, Sir Crease of Sorrow, Sorrow for the lost Lenore, for the rare and radiant maiden,

00:34:46.480 whom the angels named Lenore, nameless here for evermore.

00:34:51.480 And the silken sad, uncertain rustling of each purple curtain thrilled me,

00:34:56.480 filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before,

00:34:59.840 so that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating,

00:35:04.100 to some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door,

00:35:07.400 some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door,

00:35:10.760 this is it and nothing more.

00:35:12.380 Presently my soul grew stronger

00:35:14.900 Hesitating, then no longer

00:35:16.760 Sir, said I, or madam

00:35:19.020 Truly your forgiveness I implore

00:35:20.900 But the fact is I was napping

00:35:22.940 And so gently you came rapping

00:35:24.880 And so faintly you came tapping

00:35:26.800 Tapping at my chamber door

00:35:28.320 That I scarce was sure I heard you

00:35:30.740 Here I opened wide the door

00:35:32.220 Darkness there, and nothing more

00:35:34.180 Deep into that darkness peering

00:35:36.600 Long I stood there wondering, fearing

00:35:39.100 Doubting, dreaming dreams

00:35:40.940 no mortal ever dared to dream before but the silence was unbroken and the stillness gave

00:35:46.540 no token and the only word there spoken was the whispered word lenore this i whispered

00:35:52.780 and an echo murmured back the word lenore merely this and nothing more back into that chamber

00:35:59.820 turning all my soul within me burning soon again i heard a tapping somewhat louder than before

00:36:05.420 Surely, said I, surely that is something at my window lattice

00:36:09.200 Let me see then what there at is, and this mystery explore

00:36:13.040 Let my heart be still a moment, and this mystery explore

00:36:16.480 Tis the wind, and nothing more

00:36:18.320 Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter

00:36:23.100 In there stepped a stately raven of the saintly days of yore

00:36:26.800 Not the least obeisance made he, not a minute stopped or stayed he

00:36:31.180 But with mine of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door

00:36:35.300 Perched upon a bust of palace

00:36:37.620 Just above my chamber door

00:36:39.620 Perched and sat and nothing more

00:36:41.960 Then this ebony bird

00:36:43.700 Beguiling my sad fancy into smiling

00:36:45.980 By the grave and stern decorum

00:36:48.280 Of the countenance at war

00:36:49.500 Though thy crest be shorn and shaven thou

00:36:52.120 I said, art sure no craven

00:36:53.820 Ghastly grim and ancient raven

00:36:56.180 Wandering from the nightly shore

00:36:57.760 Tell me what thy lordly name is

00:37:00.020 On the ninth Plutonian shore

00:37:01.520 Quoth the raven nevermore

00:37:03.580 Much I marveled this ungainly fowl

00:37:06.820 To hear discourse so plainly

00:37:08.720 Though its answer little meaning

00:37:10.440 Little relevancy bore

00:37:11.940 For we cannot help agreeing

00:37:14.140 That no living human being

00:37:15.840 Ever yet was blessed with seeing

00:37:17.940 Bird above his chamber door

00:37:19.660 Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust

00:37:22.500 Above his chamber door

00:37:23.800 With such names as nevermore

00:37:26.140 But the raven sitting lonely

00:37:28.220 On the placid bust spoke only

00:37:30.220 That one word as if his soul

00:37:32.160 in that one word he did outpour nothing further than he uttered not a feather then he fluttered

00:37:38.080 till i scarcely more than muttered other friends have flown before on the morrow he will leave me

00:37:44.080 as my hopes have flown before then the bird said nevermore startled at the stillness broken by

00:37:50.240 reply so aptly spoken doubtless said i what it utters is its only stock and store caught from

00:37:57.840 some unhappy master whom unmerciful disaster followed fast and followed faster till his songs

00:38:05.200 one burden bore till the dirges of his hope that melancholy burden bore of never never more but

00:38:13.360 the raven still beguiling all my fancy into smiling straight i wheeled a cushion seat in front of a

00:38:19.440 bird and bust endure then upon the velvet sinking i betook myself to linking fancy unto fancy

00:38:26.560 thinking what this ominous bird of yore what this grim ungainly ghastly gaunt an ominous bird of yore

00:38:33.040 meant in croaking nevermore this i sat engaged in guessing but no syllable expressing to the

00:38:39.040 foul whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core this and more i sat divining with my head

00:38:46.160 at ease reclining on the cushion's velvet lining that the lamplight gloated o'er but whose velvet

00:38:52.480 violet lining with the lamplight gloating o'er she shall press ah nevermore then methought the

00:38:59.280 air grew denser perfume from an unseen censer swung by seraphim whose footfalls tinkled on the tufted

00:39:06.000 floor wretch i cried thy god hath lent thee by these angels he hath sent thee respite respite

00:39:13.360 and nepenthe from thy memories of lenore quaff o quaff this kind nepenthe and forget this lost

00:39:19.760 Lenore. Quoth the raven, nevermore. Prophet, said I, thing of evil. Prophet still, if bird or devil.

00:39:28.400 Whether tempter sent, or whether temptest tossed thee here ashore. Desolate, yet all undaunted,

00:39:34.960 on this desert land enchanted. On this home by horror haunted, tell me truly, I implore.

00:39:42.380 Is there, is there balm in Gilead? Tell me, tell me, I implore. Quoth the raven, nevermore.

00:39:49.760 prophet said i thing of evil prophet still if bird or devil by that heaven that bends above us

00:39:56.300 by that god we both adore tell this soul with sorrow laden if within the distant aiden it

00:40:02.820 shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name lenore clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the

00:40:08.600 angels name lenore quote the raven nevermore be that word our sign in parting bird or fiend

00:40:15.680 i shrieked up starting get thee back into the temptest and the night's plutonian shore leave

00:40:21.520 no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken leave my loneliness unbroken quit

00:40:28.100 the bust above my door take thy beak from out my heart and take thy form from off my door

00:40:33.920 quote the raven nevermore and the raven never flitting still is sitting still is sitting

00:40:40.520 on the pallid bust of palace just above my chamber door

00:40:44.200 and his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming

00:40:47.820 and the lamplight's aurum streaming throws his shadow on the floor

00:40:51.520 and my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor

00:40:55.220 shall be lifted nevermore.

00:41:00.460 Happy October everyone.

00:41:03.380 Happy spooky season.

00:41:05.920 We're going to have some extra content for you coming up

00:41:09.160 because we are closing out season two,

00:41:13.020 two more episodes after this,

00:41:14.520 but you'll have some extras in between that.

00:41:16.840 You know, we wouldn't leave you hanging like that.

00:41:19.360 Nope, we're not going to leave anybody hanging.

00:41:21.280 We might put out some little things here and there,

00:41:24.240 but for the most part,

00:41:25.320 we are just going to be taking a season break.

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Rowan & Pine: A Feminist Folklore & Mythology Podcast - October 02, 2024

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