Elon doubles down on antisemitism; Grindr forces LGBTQ staff back to the office; Your car knows your sex life; Something is rotten at Rotten Tomatoes – NEWS ROUNDUP
00:01:44.460Yeah, I feel like I've been wanting to do it for a bit, and then my friend, I had like a birthday party over the weekend.
00:01:50.260It was like, I want my friends to do drag performances, so I was like, all right, sure.
00:01:55.360Why not? Yeah, it was super fun. I totally, totally won't do that again. So it made my
00:02:01.720drag debut. Oh, my God. I hope to many more. Also, happy birthday. Oh, no, it was my friend's0.99
00:02:08.420birthday. Oh, friend's birthday. Got it. Well, happy birthday to your friend. Well, let's get
00:02:13.840into some of these news stories that folks might have missed on the internet this week. So first
00:02:18.860of all, we have to start with a little bit of an update, which is an update on our enemy of the pod
00:02:24.700professional litigate, that's right, Edward Blum, the one-man wrecking ball against diversity.
00:02:31.120This week on the podcast, I did a deep dive on the show Stuff Mom Never Told You into Edward
00:02:35.920Blum's legal challenge that he is bringing against the Black venture capital firm Fearless Fund for
00:02:41.020giving out grants and money and support for Black women entrepreneurs. After Blum successfully
00:02:46.700brought a legal challenge that gutted the Voting Rights Act and affirmative action, well, Blum is
00:02:52.440also challenging diversity fellowship programs for people of color, LGBTQ folks, and people
00:02:57.440with disabilities at law firms. And it looks like that challenge might have been somewhat successful,
00:03:02.780at least with one law firm, because the law firm Morrison & Forrester has removed language
00:03:07.660specifying that their fellowship is only open to Black, Hispanic, Native American, or LGBTQ
00:03:12.840applicants, according to a flyer from the program's website. Now, the flyer has been altered to say
00:03:18.980that applicants need to, quote, bring a diverse perspective to the firm as a result of your
00:03:23.980adaptability, cultural fluency, resilience, and life experiences. So luckily, it doesn't sound
00:03:30.060like they are completely abandoning the diversity part of their fellowship program outright,
00:03:34.460but that they're probably changing the wording, probably because they're hoping to avoid a big
00:03:39.940legal challenge or legal battle with Blum and just want to be able to focus on, like, doing
00:03:44.740their work. The fellowship is called the Keith Wetmore 1L Fellowship for Excellence, Diversity,
00:03:50.580and Inclusion, and it supported law students from historically underrepresented groups in
00:03:54.520the legal industry. It was also a recruitment tool to help diversify law firms, which folks
00:03:59.060probably know are notoriously not very diverse. The fellowship consists of a paid summer associate
00:04:03.800position, which in law firms can often lead to a full-time job that pay in the six figures after
00:04:08.560graduation, and a $50,000 stipend. So way to go, Edward Blum. I hope the fact that this law
00:04:14.600firm had to amend their fellowship program is to your liking. I hope it makes you feel good. I hope
00:04:20.240you will leave these people alone. I hope you will let them just do their jobs. And we will keep y'all
00:04:24.620updated on how these cases progress. It's so messed up and it's so like obviously messed up
00:04:30.320that it's, I don't even know like what to say at this point. Well, I often feel like I think
00:04:36.140that you might feel now where I don't even know what to say. I think that Blum is someone who
00:04:42.100will not rest until a very small subsection of people, him and people who look like him,
00:04:50.360are making all the decisions for everyone, are the ones who are getting everything. I think that's
00:04:55.140what he wants. And so when I hear about the challenges that he is taking on, it's hard for me
00:05:01.840to even really know what to say. And in the episode of Stuff Mom Never Told You that I did
00:05:07.420this week something that really comes up for me after doing all that that research into blum and
00:05:12.200his motivations and the people that he's that he's suing are that these are people who are
00:05:16.720really have work to do right like they are trying to write societal wrongs they are trying to make
00:05:24.300landscapes more equitable and that is real work and so i can understand why this legal firm is
00:05:30.300just like you know if tweaking our our website language is gonna maybe make this guy go away
00:05:36.480let's do it but they shouldn't have to do that they should be able to focus on what it is that0.52
00:05:41.320they are trying to accomplish with their work and so yeah i i blum remains an enemy of the show
00:05:48.080we will keep folks posted on his next moves hopefully they won't include continuing to go
00:05:55.440at go after marginalized people and the institutions that support us i think that's
00:06:00.840interesting i feel like i remember for a while there are all these stories that were coming out
00:06:05.600about like people that would like fake being native american scholarship or like there were
00:06:11.520a couple like really big cases of like people that were like claiming to be like transracial
00:06:15.660or something like i don't it's it's interesting that this is happening after i feel like we had
00:06:20.580a big conversation about there was a big sort of media frenzy around that um i don't know it's just
00:06:25.660like it's the same sort of attacking all of these programs from like different angles which i yeah
00:06:32.220this whole thing is so weird. It's so weird. Blum is such a weird guy. If folks are interested in
00:06:38.040more about him, his background, his motivation, check out this week's episode with me on Stuff
00:06:43.720Mom Never Told You because it is a doozy. So speaking of supporting or not supporting
00:06:50.500marginalized people, we got to talk about what's going on at Grindr. Folks probably know there
00:06:55.160have been a flurry of big companies making remote workers come back to the office like Google and
00:07:00.960ironically, Zoom, you know, Zoom makes the tech that we all use to work remotely, but apparently
00:07:06.780won't let their staff work remotely using the tech that they build. I don't know. It's kind of a
00:07:12.160weird sitch. But employees who work at the dating app Grindr are being forced to come back to work
00:07:18.200in person. And now staff is saying that that mandate, that policy has really dealt a blow
00:07:24.180to Grindr's unique queer-friendly workplace culture, which employees say was a rarity in
00:07:28.900tech. This is all from Wired, which did a really great deep dive into what's going on. Since many
00:07:34.160of Grindr's employees are LGBTQ, in-person work policies means having to give up access to support1.00
00:07:40.500systems and support networks and sometimes medical care networks that you've established during a
00:07:45.280time where folks are seeing waves of anti-LGBTQ violence and threats across the country. Wired
00:07:51.220talked to one trans employee that they call Robin, who said that the mandate forced a choice between
00:07:56.160a job they loved and a support system that includes trusted doctors who provide their
00:08:00.560transgender medical care. Robin ultimately chose to leave the company, but said that initially
00:08:05.620coming to work at Grindr was, quote, a blast of fresh air compared to other jobs in the tech
00:08:10.740industry. I felt normal. I didn't feel like one queer person or the most noticeable queer person
00:08:15.960at a company. It was what I was always looking for, and now that is gone. Robin is actually
00:08:20.780not alone, because none of the eight openly trans employees who worked at Grindr chose to relocate
00:08:25.860And the trans staffer that they spoke to said that it's really indicative of the cuts and how they are impacting more marginalized staff the most.
00:08:33.440Robin says, demanding that LGBTQ plus people move for their job in this political environment conflicts with so much of Grindr's mission that it's close to its users, that it's part of the community.
00:08:44.180This all started last month when Grindr abruptly gave its all remote staff two weeks to pledge to work from an office two days a week starting in October or lose their jobs come August 31st.
00:08:55.50082 out of the 178 employees, that's 46% of the staff, were let go after rejecting that mandate,
00:09:02.480according to the Grindr Union, which went public two weeks before the ultimatum.
00:09:06.820The policy would have forced many of them to relocate to L.A., Chicago, or San Francisco.
00:09:12.180Now, this is all happening against the backdrop of Grindr's recent unionization.
00:09:16.320The Communications Workers of America, which now represents employees of Grindr,
00:09:20.300filed two unfair labor practice charges with the U.S. National Labor Relations Board against
00:09:24.880Grindr, accusing the company of unlawfully suppressing discussion of working conditions
00:09:28.900and company chats, and through an agreement that terminated employees were offered in
00:09:32.780exchange for severance pay. Now, Grindr does say that this abrupt back-to-office plan has
00:09:39.700nothing to do with the recent unionization. That is just a huge coincidence, according to Grindr's
00:09:45.580higher-ups. However, the staff says that the cuts disproportionately impacted union supporters.
00:09:51.860Nine out of the 11 union organizing committee members were forced out.
00:09:55.520Staff is also worried about how this will ultimately impact the site. Obviously,
00:10:00.100for dating apps and hookup apps, privacy concerns are heightened. Privacy is important on any app
00:10:06.520or any platform, but especially an app where you're meeting people, you're having intimate
00:10:10.580conversations, photos are being exchanged, you're meeting up, that kind of thing.
00:10:13.860The exodus has raised concerns among the remaining staff about Grindr's functionality as an app,
00:10:20.000recalling Elon Musk's employee purge at Twitter and the ensuing glitchy chaos.
00:10:24.960So this really does seem to be part of a larger pattern playing out within tech companies.
00:10:29.840I know that this came up on one of our previous newscasts, but Ben Collins at NBC calls this CEO contagion,
00:10:35.960where there's this vibe of tech CEOs like cleaning house, firing everybody, laying everybody off
00:10:42.020without real meaningful regard for how it will impact the platforms that they run
00:10:46.880and could ultimately make those platforms worse.
00:10:50.520Yeah. And like, obviously, like this case is particularly sensitive since so much of the
00:10:55.840employees there are like LGBTQ plus identifying. Honestly, I'm surprised not all of them.0.55
00:11:02.500But, um, yeah, like, I feel like this is part of a pad. I don't know, like, like, my job, they're starting to like open up the offices again and encourage people like come back into the office. And I technically the office I work for is in a different state than I live in. So like, I'm crossing my fingers hoping and they're not gonna like mandate that anytime soon. But it is so weird. It's been three years where we've been working remotely and things have been going pretty smoothly. It's definitely.
00:11:28.080yeah like like you said at the end there like it is this whole like CEO contagion about
00:11:33.820not really sure what the I mean I guess the motivation is to get people to like
00:11:37.980whatever I don't know I don't understand this whole push all of a sudden and it just seems
00:11:43.020like it's gonna end with a lot of chaos um but yeah also yeah Grindr with the privacy thing
00:11:49.740that's scary that's I mean that's a hookup app like that isn't especially like any dating app
00:11:54.860I'd be worried about Grindr especially. It's not the kind of app where I would feel comfortable
00:12:00.560showing up if they arbitrarily and haphazardly gutted the privacy and security staff. And it
00:12:09.440sounds like that's what, according to this Wired piece, that's what some of the staff are worried
00:12:13.580about, that if they just make these massive cuts to the workforce in mass, it's going to be that
00:12:20.920much harder to ensure a safe and secure platform. And when you're dealing with a hookup app,
00:12:26.260your people on that app really need to be able to feel like they're on a safe and secure platform.
00:12:33.060Oh, yeah. I feel like this is just like a good example of like rainbow capitalism,1.00
00:12:36.660still capitalism. Rainbow CEOs are still CEOs. They're still going to put their own interests0.84
00:12:41.700first. And yeah, that's just that's that's messed up. I don't know a ton about Grindr
00:12:46.520like as an organization i know like a couple years back there was some sort of like discussion
00:12:51.700about like how trans people's experiences on the app were and stuff like that so again it's like
00:12:57.580the if if you know what they're like the eight openly trans employees like decided not to
00:13:03.960relocate i mean how is that going to affect the the app like not having any trans people on the
00:13:08.940team of your or maybe losing all the trans people on your team that just it doesn't seem like it's
00:13:13.840Yeah, that's such a good point. And the trans employee that Wired spoke to, I mean, I don't know what's going on at Grindr, but it does sound like if one demographic is just like no longer represented at your workforce, management really has to ask how equitable were these layoffs, how equitable was this rollout if it completely got rid of an entire subsection of your workforce in that way.0.99
00:13:43.340It just seems to me like obviously something's going on there. I think that the staffer that they talked to who said that these cuts are impacting the more marginalized staff more, it seems obvious that that's the case. And so I'm curious how it's going to work out.
00:13:57.940But I feel for staff who, like, if in the piece they talk about how this was rolled out very abruptly and how for the last few months, staff who worked remotely were like, are we going to have to come back to the office?
00:14:13.520And management was like, no, you'll be fine.
00:14:17.040And then coincidentally, after the unionization was successful, now this is like abruptly rolled out.
00:14:24.140And so, yeah, it just seems like a situation where management is really going out of their way to roll out this policy in the most abrupt, chaotic way possible, possibly in retaliation for unionization, question mark.
00:14:37.520I don't know. But, you know, that timing does seem awful coincidental to me.
00:17:44.660This is actually a slow trend of companies offering this kind of support to staff.
00:17:48.220Financial software company Intuit offers relocation money, and even the Air Force
00:17:52.440announced that they would help trans service members and their families relocate if they
00:17:55.960are stationed in states with discriminatory laws.0.91
00:17:59.000Obviously, as you were saying earlier, Joey, I don't like the idea of like, oh, now trans0.94
00:18:05.700folks can join the military industrial complex too.1.00
00:18:09.340But, you know, it is what it is. You got to take what you can get. And I guess I feel like, I don't know, it is a bummer that we live in a reality where this kind of policy is necessary, but that is the reality that we live in.
00:18:26.780And even though I obviously think this is great, everybody deserves to live in a place where they can have access to whatever medical care they need. And everybody deserves to live places where policies are not hostile to their very existence. And so I am really happy that people have access to this relocation support. But it shouldn't be a luxury just for people who have like good office jobs. It should really be for everybody. That should be the bottom bare minimum that people can expect.
00:18:54.940right i think that's the one thing that kind of concerns me about this because i remember seeing
00:19:00.180this article that or an article about it and being it was the same thing i was like wow that's
00:19:03.920really cool i don't know maybe i'm just like a skeptic but i was sort of like this seems
00:19:08.740i feel like a are they going to actually do this or are they just saying they are so it's good to
00:19:13.220hear that i guess they've they've done it at one case now but i feel like what that the people that
00:19:18.780i'm more worried about is like like who is that who is this open to because again like if you're
00:19:24.080working like a service job in like texas or florida um where you're not making a lot of
00:19:30.720money you're like living paycheck to paycheck i mean you're probably going to be the one in the
00:19:33.820most danger of living under these policies and and how they're going to affect you like is that
00:19:39.560covered in it um which is not to say again like obviously i had my little office not office job
00:19:46.460because i don't have an office right now like it's important that everybody gets that kind of
00:19:51.460respect and help. But yeah, it's, I don't know. I am cautiously optimistic about this. I think
00:19:58.620it's good to see that like a company is doing something at least. Yeah, your concern is
00:20:04.120definitely well founded. I want to say it was Netflix. I'll have to look it up. But so when
00:20:09.180Netflix rolled out this very generous unlimited parental leave program, they got so much good
00:20:14.240press, lots of applause. However, they had one big problem because that program was only for
00:20:19.360full-time staff. It did not include part-time staff. It did not include folks who were working
00:20:24.180in their DVD distribution centers. So this was back when Netflix still had those DVDs in the
00:20:30.520sleeves they would send out. And so, yeah, I'm with you, Joey. Whenever I see policies like this,
00:20:37.700I hope that it's just not for like, oh, for our office workers, as people like to say on the
00:20:43.000internet, people who have the email jobs, quote unquote, but I hope it's truly for everybody
00:20:47.920who works there not just a certain subsection of people who get access to this i like the the email
00:20:53.920jobs because i feel like i've been having a hard time different like who again back to the other
00:20:57.500story like i don't work in an office i actually visited the iHeart office for the first time
00:21:02.960uh the one in atlanta yeah no the one in there's one in new york okay i haven't invented the
00:21:08.480atlanta one yet um but i was like that this is the first time since i was like interning that
00:21:13.780i've been inside of an office um but yeah i it's again yeah i i good friend indeed i'm glad to hear
00:21:23.440this i hope they follow through with it i guess you know we keep an eye on the story see what
00:21:29.140happens yeah yeah the air force thing too i'm a little that i don't know it's whenever the military
00:21:37.720comes up it's so complicated because there is a whole history of like there's a lot of trans people
00:21:43.540who have been in the military or are in the military just kind of and and again like because
00:21:51.380i remember when this all this happened with like the trump administration banning trans people from
00:21:55.700the military there was discussion about like access to like benefits and stuff and all that's
00:22:01.860important that being said i'm not willing to i don't know i i'm always gonna sort of take a step
00:22:11.700back I think when it comes to military stuff it doesn't yeah I don't know I don't know where this
00:22:15.440is going Joey Pat hates the troops no just kidding so important question for you do you drive a car
00:22:24.540you live in New York you probably don't but do you I mean I don't I like I have my driver's
00:22:31.300license I have driven um I like drove my family's car when I was home but yeah currently do not own
00:22:38.480a car. Don't really have a reason to. Well, that's actually good news for you, because if you drive
00:22:44.820a newer car, I have some bad news, which is that your car is probably spying on you. In addition
00:22:49.900to collecting data about you, like normal car data, like whether you drive too fast or if you
00:22:55.540wear your seatbelt or whatever, your car might actually know who you have sex with. This is
00:23:00.160according to a new report from Mozilla. Just full quick disclosure, I do host Mozilla's podcast,
00:23:06.340IRL about AI and ethics. I just wanted to say that. So Mozilla's Privacy Not Included project
00:23:12.100found that every major car brand fails to adhere to the most basic privacy and security standards
00:23:17.920in their new internet-connected models. All 25 of the car brands that Mozilla examines
00:23:23.360failed their test. Mozilla found that major car brands collect data about their drivers,
00:23:27.980including race, facial expressions, weight, health information, and where you drive.
00:23:32.060Now, all of that might seem like pretty reasonable information for your car to collect about you.
00:23:39.680Some of the cars tested collected data that you would not expect your car to be able to collect about you, including details about your sexual activity, race, and immigration status.
00:23:48.800According to Mozilla, Kia's privacy policy reserves the right to monitor, quote, your sex life.
00:23:55.280I don't know about you, but I don't know how I feel about my car knowing about my sex life.
00:24:12.800According to the report, a lot of these newer cars have come enabled with, like, cameras in them, with, like, microphones in them.
00:24:21.660They have, like, hands-free technology where you can talk to the cars, and so the cars have microphones, and they can hear conversations happening in there.
00:24:28.760And so, yeah, I think that we don't usually think of a car as collecting information about
00:24:36.800us as we're driving, but that's what's happening.
00:25:22.360Or drive places that you might not want the world to know about.
00:25:25.060but that perception no longer matches reality all new cars today are privacy nightmares on wheels
00:25:31.020that collect huge amounts of personal information okay one thing that I do I love just like you
00:25:38.560know every once in a while you just gotta like scream and like I'll go like if I'm have access
00:25:43.320to a car like if my mom I've ever heard it's how it's like sometimes I'll just like sit in the car
00:25:46.620like scream and I'm like oh my god they were now I'm like going over all the yeah well how new is
00:25:53.160your parents car i think it's about seven years old so like 2016 2017 okay you might be okay you
00:26:00.940might be okay if this this whole thing makes me happy i mean i i barely drive i don't i think i
00:26:07.400probably drive like once a month but my car is a like 15 year old clunker so it makes me kind of
00:26:14.880happy it doesn't i still have to do the thing where you plug in like a bluetooth receiver into
00:26:21.380the aux court to like listen to music on my phone if I want to like listen to something that's not
00:26:26.600the radio so it is very janky it is very old school doesn't have gps doesn't have anything
00:26:30.880but as janky as it is at least I don't have to worry about my car listening to me talk to my
00:26:37.260doctor on the phone or like have an argument with my partner I'd be like oh looks like she's
00:26:42.520arguing about finances let's send her some ads about car refinancing or whatever I feel like
00:26:49.920there's always you always have such emotional conversations in cars too I don't know if it's
00:26:55.120I don't know if you do this too but like I feel like I've had a lot of very especially like as a
00:26:59.900teenager a lot like it would be like a friend would be dropping me off or I'd be having like
00:27:04.540a really dramatic conversation with my parents or something and it's just I don't know that's yeah
00:27:09.820well I think you're right I do I don't even know how to put this I spent a summer living in LA and
00:27:16.580And so when I was in L.A., I had a car and I probably had it was it was a tough summer for me.
00:27:21.720And I probably had most of my intimate moments like where I was questioning myself or having tough conversations with friends and family in the car.
00:27:30.780Like the car is feels like an intimate space. It feels like a private space.
00:27:34.580How many times have you taken a long drive and done or said things that you would that you thought were just between you and, you know, just you and your God.
00:27:45.620The idea that the car is listening, the car is collecting that information, the car is using it to serve you targeted ads, these conversations and these moments that were happening in a place that felt so private and so intimate and so sacred, it's just not a good situation.
00:28:03.900Mozilla said that a number of car brands say that it is the driver's responsibility to let passengers know about their car's privacy policies, which, you know, because that's a totally normal conversation that you have when somebody gets in your car, when you get into a car.
00:28:18.260It's a totally normal thing to be like, oh, let me just quickly brief you on my car's privacy policy so that you're aware of them.
00:28:24.100That is an absurd standard to have to opt people into.
00:28:27.900That's an absurd way to handle people having to opt into this.
00:28:31.100Or, you know, when you get into an Uber or a taxi cab, like, how is that handled? And even beyond that, that doesn't really help because these policies are always inscrutable in the first place.
00:28:42.160So if it is your responsibility as a driver or the owner of this car to tell people about the privacy policy that you didn't set up when somebody gets into your car, how can you do that if they're written in such a way that it's intentionally inscrutable to the point where you can't even summarize what the policies are?
00:28:59.700like one of the car brands they talked about had 12 different privacy policies so how the hell are
00:29:04.940you meant to be letting somebody know about your car's privacy policies if you can't even understand
00:29:09.560them yeah it almost feels like letting somebody into your house and being like oh sorry by the
00:29:15.320way if you like talk about x things there's like a little i don't know which i guess some people
00:29:21.100have like alexis and stuff now so i don't who knows what that's doing but yeah man there's just
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00:31:39.040okay so this is a story happening in your neck of the woods joey because short-term rentals like
00:31:47.960airbnb and verbo are basically over in new york city thanks to new regulations so last week new
00:31:54.160rules said that rentals shorter than 30 days are not allowed unless the hosts register with the
00:31:59.720city hosts must also commit to being physically present in the home during the duration of the
00:32:04.460rental, sharing the living quarters with their guests. More than two guests at a time are not
00:32:09.200allowed. So in effect, kind of barring families from doing short-term rentals like Airbnb in New
00:32:15.000York City. So that was last week. Well, this week that went into effect and The Guardian reports
00:32:19.400that not many hosts were able to comply with registering with the city. So Airbnb is not
00:32:24.820allowed to process those rentals. Very few hosts had successfully registered and New York City
00:32:29.540says that it approved just under 300 of the more 3,800 applications received. Now, housing advocates
00:32:36.440say that the apartments were basically being used as hotels, which is a big problem in a city like
00:32:41.020New York, where there is very much, you know, as I'm sure you know, an active housing crisis.
00:32:46.640Oh, yeah. Airbnb does not get enough crap for like, the way that they have contributed to the0.54
00:32:52.140housing crisis in so many major cities, like all over the world. I like, I remember talking to0.97
00:32:57.720like somebody who lived in like florence and italy that it was like the same situation they
00:33:02.460were talking about how like and that that's like a huge tourist city and and part of the reason
00:33:07.360that it's impossible to have like an apartment there now is just airbnb has gotten so many
00:33:10.980apartments new york same thing um does concern me a little because i do think i have a friend
00:33:16.280who's staying in new york next week who has an airbnb so i probably should check in with her
00:33:19.780check in on your friend yeah yeah but i i mean i am glad that's that they're they're cracking
00:33:25.420down on that because it's out of control. I completely agree. Airbnb is fighting these
00:33:31.020new rules in court, arguing that they are essentially a ban on Airbnb and that they
00:33:35.560would hurt visitors looking for affordable accommodations. So I should say Airbnb,
00:33:40.480I have a little bit of firsthand knowledge. And I'll say this, they are very good at this kind
00:33:46.860of thing. So I honestly would not be surprised if this policy was short-lived in New York City.
00:33:52.580I hope it's not short-lived, but I would not be surprised because Airbnb is very good at this kind of thing.
00:33:58.080So here's a little bit about what you can probably expect.
00:34:00.840You can expect to see them really highlighting the local people who they say are just like local community members making extra income by welcoming in travelers on a budget into their spare bedrooms.
00:34:12.640You know, it's all like Nana and Pop Pop who just want to make their lasagna for somebody from out of town.
00:34:18.660Like, definitely they're going to make that or try to make that the face of, like, who is being hurt by this Airbnb crackdown.
00:34:27.380So they're not going to tell you about the company or the wealthy landlord who has bought up multiple properties that would be available housing and has turned them into hotels for people they probably will never even meet.
00:34:42.040No, they will not tell you about that.
00:34:43.500They will definitely be trotting out, like, Nana and Pop Pop and telling you how this is, like, hurting your, like, local community members.
00:34:51.200Again, I can tell you from personal experience that Airbnb hires what they call community organizers to help create what I would argue is, like, an astroturfed movement specifically to represent their corporate interests, but then make that seem like a completely grassroots collection of just, like, concerned community members sticking up for their communities.
00:35:11.840yeah and i again like even though i'm complaining about airbnb i've stayed in airbnbs a couple
00:35:18.520times and i think honestly most especially if it's like me and my friends traveling where we're like
00:35:24.420on a tight budget a lot of times like it's a it's a company that we're reaching out to it's not
00:35:28.920like locals or whatever they're they're trying to like position themselves as i it is very weird
00:35:36.960because also i remember like when airbnb was first like becoming a thing that was how they
00:35:40.660were marketing themselves it was like it's a you know same sort of like uber where it was like
00:35:46.360just sharing rides you're sharing living space for the you know week or whatever but it's that
00:35:53.340yeah the whole community organizers thing too that's so vile just to especially like i don't
00:35:59.160know if you're looking at like again if you're looking at like a job site and you see community
00:36:02.500organizer i think you're expecting a very very different job than working for airbnb oh yes uh
00:36:23.900It was usually a network of volunteers, and that was done out of the desire to build social
00:36:29.460change, to build up the left's, you know, muscle in order to create social change.
00:36:35.780And imagine my surprise when some of those folks took that training that was given, you know, from the goodwill of our time and labor to Airbnb to do, quote, community organizing.
00:36:52.900So, yeah, I guess I'll just leave it there.
00:37:01.200Folks were not thrilled that that happened.
00:37:03.600But yeah, so Airbnb is so good at this. I got to give props where props are due. If you were not a savvy person and you were looking at the people who are probably opposing this legislation in New York, you would think this is just community members who are speaking out.
00:37:23.900But Airbnb, they're really good at that. They really know what they're doing. And yeah, I should say, like, the same as you, I don't, it's not like I don't use Airbnb, but I try to use it sparingly. And I try to just be very aware, like, it would be, it's one of those things where it would be nice if I could be like,
00:37:49.060oh, I'm just staying with like somebody who has a spare bedroom in their house. And like,
00:37:53.240you know, this is just like, she's getting extra money. I'm getting to eat the fresh baked cookies
00:37:57.540that she's making me. This is all great. But that's not what it is in 2023. What it is in
00:38:01.3602023 is like, generally somebody who is running Airbnbs as a business, it is usually not their,
00:38:07.020their, their home that they're letting you into. It is like, maybe at best it is their vacation
00:38:12.340home or something like that. But generally it's a business. And so I just wish that we could,
00:38:16.120we could talk about it in reality and not in this way that it's just like a fantasy again i think
00:38:22.760that you're right that it started that way my very first time ever staying in an airbnb this
00:38:27.700was like when the company first got started i was staying on somebody's couch in the house that they
00:38:32.320lived in with their family and it very much was like i'm just crashing here uh but that certainly
00:38:37.160isn't what it's like in a meaningful way in 2023 yeah i think there was there was like one time when
00:38:44.140i was i was in amsterdam with some friends and we were like staying at somebody's apartment that
00:38:50.560it was like there's it actually was like a spare bedroom and they were super nice and like you know
00:38:56.440gave us recommendations of places to go and stuff but yeah it's i don't know the last like airbnb
00:39:01.560that i've stayed in again it was uh i'm i didn't book it a friend and i'm not sure what the situation
00:39:05.920was but like there was an ant infestation in the house it was terrible i it was terrible experience
00:39:12.060So I'm still mad at Airbnb about that experience anyways.
00:39:18.400Are you one of those people who is like, oh, it's hotels all day.
00:39:21.680I'll never stay in an Airbnb if I don't have to.
00:41:26.940But you don't have to have access to that data, nor do you have to be the head of the ADL to see that this is true.
00:41:33.140All you have to do is follow Elon Musk on Twitter and see the kinds of things he tweets and the kinds of tweets that he engages with.
00:41:39.480Elon's brand of anti-Semitism, I would say, like previously was sort of loosely coded.
00:41:44.720He would use like George Soros or the ADL or like people who control the media, like pretty big dog whistle, as a stand in to denigrate Jewish people.
00:41:56.440So this is not new for him at all. This has been a longstanding pattern of behavior with Musk. But I think that more recently, his anti-Semitism has gotten more overt, engaging with tweets that straight up attack Jewish people as a whole.
00:42:11.180He replied with an exclamation point to this tweet that purported to show that, like, he replied to a tweet from a white supremacist that purported to show a poll showing that Jewish people hated free speech.
00:42:24.040So I would argue that he is someone who has always trafficked in anti-Semitism, but it's especially concerning that it seems to be getting more and more overt and less and less coded.
00:42:35.660yeah i mean as a jew who controls the media i'm i'm so excited at this podcast yeah obviously
00:42:46.420it's you know oh god i'm so glad we're talking about this story i have so many0.72
00:42:51.420thoughts on this so like first things first i will say upright adl not necessarily a good
00:42:59.620organization um their platform their their idea what they market themselves on which again is like
00:43:07.460an anti-hate speech fighting anti-semitism fighting bigotry um there's a lot of criticisms
00:43:15.700of the organization itself they've done a lot of things in the past they've designated um
00:43:21.700certain groups as being anti-semitic that weren't anti-semitic they were more just sort of like
00:43:26.580critical of israel or anti-zionist which is not the same thing as anti-semitism that is a very
00:43:31.780valid political opinion um again i i'm not a fan of the adl they are i disagree with the organization0.91
00:43:39.480uh fundamentally on a lot of things i think they've actually done a lot of shit that's been
00:43:44.400sort of like detrimental to a lot of anti-racist anti anti-bigotry even like anti-anti-semitism
00:43:50.880sort of movements um that being said like the criticism is clearly like this is this is a
00:43:59.300situation where they're going after this organization for being a jewish organization
00:44:03.520for being a group that speaks out against anti-semitism um i recently it was it was
00:44:09.240probably like a month or two ago the the ceo of the adl jonathan greenblatt said in an interview
00:44:14.840he compared he said that elon musk is like the henry ford of our generation which also is really
00:44:20.440ironic because Henry Ford was like notoriously anti-semitic so I was like I don't know like
00:44:25.880like if somebody called somebody like the Henry Ford of something to me I would be like0.99
00:44:30.680okay so they're a piece of shit like I don't know anyways he meant it as a compliment so I think0.98
00:44:36.600this is a good example of like again so-called like human rights organizations if you're gonna0.99
00:44:44.340like use your time and your energy and your platform to like cheer on people who have this
00:44:51.460history of going against other marginalized groups that aren't your own like they're gonna come after
00:44:57.260you too like you're just setting your like I don't know like that they're not gonna save you
00:45:01.320surprise I just this whole situation there's again it's so messed up because you know you
00:45:08.300know that meme that's like the worst person you know made a great point I feel like it's a version
00:45:14.040about where it's like i can't believe i'm defending the adl of all things like i but yeah it's it's
00:45:22.400like nobody again i might disagree with some of their platform but nobody should be attacked for
00:45:30.460just being a jewish organization and also the whole idea of like the adl contributing being
00:45:35.180the most anti-semitic i don't that that is so weird that is so weird yeah there are like i mean
00:45:41.120i i it's it's complicated and i appreciate the nuance that you're bringing to it elon must
00:45:46.480saying that the adl is the most is spreading the most anti-semitism there are people on the
00:45:50.620platform who tweet swastikas like there are people on the platform who like so that's just like not
00:45:57.160true and it's so funny that you're saying this um the critic mark lamont hill who mark lamont hill
00:46:03.920like he is someone who has been very open about the fact that he feels like he was like personally
00:46:08.240attacked by the adl and he even even he was like yeah and again this is just my opinion but i'm
00:46:13.660jewish i was you know very involved in a lot of jewish activist spaces around when that was
00:46:18.200happening like he was attacked but yeah and yet even he this week was like elon musk what elon
00:46:25.680musk is doing with the adl is anti-semitic and it's not like he was like i am someone who was0.94
00:46:31.560attacked by them and even i can say like what's happening is really fucked up and so it is it is0.65
00:46:36.640this very interesting moment in time I guess where and honestly the ADL when it comes to this0.90
00:46:43.160Elon Musk situation they didn't really have to do anything to to like get Elon Musk to go off on
00:46:49.860this string of anti-semitic behavior and comments like I don't know if he is trying to oh is it
00:46:56.220didn't he like compare George Soros to like Magneto or he sure did he sure did which also
00:47:03.060i'm a big x-men fan like i love magnino like excuse you excuse you like no no no no you're
00:47:10.680like that's a favorable comparison actually yeah like this is this has been an ongoing thing he's
00:47:16.420said a lot of anti-smatic stuff and yeah and to be clear like i think i think we did an episode
00:47:21.700about this it might have been on the page but regardless like it's one thing to be critical
00:47:27.760of like like Soros is a very wealthy well-connected you know influential person in politics it's one
00:47:34.720thing to be like oh I am critical of George Soros's policies of xyz or like his positions on xyz it's
00:47:41.580quite another to compare him to Magneto like that is and so like if you like I think that with Musk
00:47:47.320he's really good he previously he was like good at staying like keeping it coded keeping it a dog
00:47:56.220whistle. And the fact that now he's like, no, it's just open. Like, it just signals to me that
00:48:01.740there's been a shift and a change. And it really concerns me for the state of Twitter. I don't
00:48:08.140remember, Joey, are you still on the platform? Is it a platform that you engage on? I have an
00:48:14.440account. I don't use it a ton anymore. But like, I'm still on it. And I'm hanging on. I'm trying to
00:48:21.120see how long till the website collapses on itself. But it's been such a shit show lately.0.99
00:48:28.380Like it hasn't been fun to be on the platform. So it does seem like we've hit a new moment with0.99
00:48:33.780Twitter where folks are just really starting to see just what you said, that it's just not fun.
00:48:40.200It's not pleasant. Civil society groups are pushing to get advertisers to stop spending money
00:48:44.560advertising on Twitter. I actually did a pretty personal deep dive into my own relationship with
00:48:49.880Twitter, on Patreon, where I heard from folks who similarly are feeling a little bit weird
00:48:54.740about our relationship with the platform in this specific moment, but who also feel it as a deep
00:49:00.180loss. Roe, who gave me permission to share this, wrote, I keep having this conversation with myself.
00:49:06.860I only keep it because of the community connections that will be lost if I leave,
00:49:10.360but so many are already gone. I run a mutual aid meal delivery in my city, and one weekend,
00:49:15.240we had extra food. While I was delivering, I pulled over and tried to reach a single mom.
00:49:19.460I know only through Twitter to offer to drop by.
00:49:22.360She's left the platform and I have no means to contact her now.
00:49:25.740Twitter was so important when Ottawa was overrun by the freedom, in quotes, convoy last year.
00:49:31.280I don't know where we could share information at the same scale now.
00:49:34.560So the too long didn't read is that I stay on Twitter out of fear
00:49:37.280and I'm incredibly resentful that an awful man broke a critical resource for my community.
00:49:43.200And boy, Ro, did I identify with that.
00:53:07.800After a huge Labor Day weekend, X video views continue to surge above last year.
00:53:13.600So while Linda Yaccarino, as supposedly the CEO of Twitter, was saying all of this stuff about how Twitter is now advertiser friendly, brand friendly, blah, blah, blah.
00:53:23.380My question for Linda Iaccarino is, how does Elon Musk tweeting all of this anti-Semitic nonsense square with her publicly stated intention to make Twitter a place where brands want to show up and want to spend money in advertising?
00:53:38.780I'm curious, like, if I were the CEO of a company and my head of engineering was tweeting like this, I might have something to say about it, but not Linda.
00:55:41.500It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse.
00:55:49.380Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place.
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00:56:14.820Okay, so this last story is really just like a story tailor-made for me.
00:56:20.100So hopefully it is interesting to others as well, because I was like very invested.
00:56:24.300And that is that something is rotten over at Rotten Tomatoes.
00:56:28.180So Rotten Tomatoes is a movie criticism aggregate platform.
00:56:32.540They have a thing called the Tomatometer, which aggregates critics' reviews of movies and gives a percentage score.
00:56:38.640The tomato meter may be the most important metric in entertainment, yet it is also erratic, reductive, and easily hacked.
00:56:45.900This is from a very interesting report on Vulture.
00:56:49.100So Vulture reports that back in 2018, a movie called Ophelia, which was meant to be kind of a feminist retelling of Hamlet starring Daisy Ridley, was getting not super great reviews from critics.
00:57:00.500meaning that its aggregate score on Rotten Tomatoes was a dismal 46%,
00:57:05.140which is not good, especially for a prestige film
00:57:08.120they were trying to sort of like find a studio home for
00:57:11.140and kind of thought maybe might have some award season buzz.
00:57:15.040The film was rotten on Rotten Tomatoes,
00:59:41.240I think I'm usually pretty skeptical about tech, but I wonder if I let my pure love of
00:59:46.800movies blind me to the truth that was right in front of my face.
00:59:51.860Nah, I mean, I get that. I also, like, I'm a big fan of, like, I love movies. I'm a big movie person. But I feel like my opinion, too, my view is always, I think, ultimately, like, it's subjective. Everybody's got their own interests and opinions and stuff. And I think, you know, it is hard to, like, universally. I don't know. But yeah, I think it's just seeing all these incidences of review bombing. I'm not surprised.
01:00:20.460But the thing that does surprise me is the fact that it's like,
01:00:22.960because I feel like there's usually the official tomato meat
01:00:54.780The scores can sort of be hacked by studios.
01:00:58.260When a studio is prepping the release of a new title, it will screen the film for critics in advance.
01:01:03.140It's a film publicist's job to organize these screenings and invite the writers they think will respond most positively.
01:01:08.840Then that publicist will set the movie's review embargo in part so that its initial tomato meter score is as high as possible at the moment when it can have the maximal benefits for word of mouth and early ticket sales.
01:01:23.560So even though like traditional critics are probably less likely to write a glowing review for like a superhero movie, studios can generally count on somebody who is a big fan of that franchise to write a positive review.
01:01:36.220And even if they write that positive review on, like, a self-published fan site or, like, a Medium page, that can sometimes still count toward the Rotten Tomatoes aggregate critics review.
01:01:46.560So it doesn't seem like it's really that hard to gamify those critics' scores.
01:01:51.740And it really, like, people listening might be like, why are you telling me this? Why does this matter?
01:01:56.040Well, it matters because Rotten Tomatoes is actually kind of a big deal.
01:01:59.780It can really make or break a film's release.
01:02:02.160If you watched one of my favorite shows on HBO Max, The Other Two, there's a whole plot line about how powerful Rotten Tomatoes is on shaping how a film is perceived.
01:02:11.300Studios are so scared about Rotten Tomatoes' tomato meter score that they actually work with a company called Screen Engine ASI, which attempts to forecast scores.
01:02:21.540One publicist spoke to Vulture and said,
01:02:23.120I put in our original business plan that we should not do films that score less than 80.
01:02:27.880Rotten Tomatoes is the only public stamp of approval that says this is out of immense
01:02:36.040And so if studios and publicists are using this as a stamp of approval, but it's also
01:02:41.520easily hacked and easily gamified, it seems like a little bit of a scam.
01:02:46.840Anyway, the whole piece is definitely worth a read.
01:02:49.380i thought that not focusing on films that score less than an 80 i feel like that's so concerning
01:02:55.120because people i think because the film industry is it's like an industry and it is this very like
01:03:00.020hyper capitalized like it is still like art it is still art that's very accessible to people
01:03:05.460too and that's the reason like film has such an important place and like i don't know i i have a
01:03:12.140lot of feelings about the film industry but i i feel like yeah like there's plenty of movies that
01:03:16.360like i love that have like 70s or like even yeah even in like the 50s or 60s all the like cult
01:03:22.480classic films that like like if studios are only focusing on movies that score over 80
01:03:30.680we're not gonna get so much of like the culture around film or the culture that that the film
01:03:38.600industry produces yeah the thing i think it's the same thing with like all the netflix stuff
01:03:43.440with all these like tv shows that are getting canceled um there's been a lot of things you know
01:03:49.940like we're in the middle of the writer's strike for a reason there's like all these movies that
01:03:54.160are getting shelved there's like tv shows that are getting canceled after one season because it
01:03:58.340it's film is an art form and it's like these companies are trying to take that aspect away
01:04:05.520and the creative aspect away and that's just like concerning overall i i mean i'm almost like
01:04:12.400tearing up here when you talk about this because it film is something that i take very seriously
01:04:16.960art and culture and film it's like the thing that saved me and it's really important and it feels
01:04:22.960like we're losing it this is a little bit of a longer read but i want to read this quote that
01:04:27.440richard linklater one of my favorite directors uh said so he was asked in an interview about
01:04:31.380what what he thinks about the current state of american movie making and he said it's a little
01:04:36.620bit long so bear with me he said it feels like it's gone with the wind or gone with the algorithm
01:04:42.440Sometimes I'll talk with some of my contemporaries who I came up with during the 90s and we'll go, oh, my God, we could never get that done today.
01:04:49.420So on the one hand, selfishly, you think, I guess I was born at the right time.
01:04:52.700I was able to participate in what always feels like the last good era for filmmaking.
01:05:07.800I have a film society, and I run into so many young, cinema-loving kids who actually have the Criterion channel, and they watch all kinds of amazing movies, but I know that culturally, that's the exception.
01:05:17.460I fear that there's not enough of a critical mass in the culture to sustain what was, but who knows?
01:05:22.400I don't think I have any deeper analysis than anyone else would, and it's not in my nature to make huge statements about whether it's all over.
01:05:28.940I just feel we're all treading water and hoping we don't drown. Challenging times are certainly here.
01:05:33.980With a changing culture and a changing technology,
01:05:36.280it's hard to see cinema slipping back into the prominence it once held.
01:05:39.600I think we could feel it coming when they started calling films content.
01:05:42.900But that's what happens when you let tech people take over your industry.
01:05:45.960It's hard to imagine indie cinema in particular having the cultural relevance that it did.
01:05:49.900It's hard to imagine the whole culture is going to be on the same page about anything,
01:06:31.240So in your own area, you just have to persist and do what you can on behalf of the things that you believe in. You have to believe that everything can change and things can go back to being a little bit better. Isn't that what we all want for everything these days, from democracy on down? Can't we just go back to things being a little better?
01:06:46.660And boy, did that answer really punch me in the gut because I feel like that's where we're at, where these things that were just purely good, movies are good, culture is good, art is good, music is good.
01:07:03.720we are losing that and we're losing the kind of collective cultural understanding that those
01:07:13.460things have value and that they're not just content to fill streamers and content to put
01:07:18.980advertising on that they that they are inherently valued they're what make us us right like when
01:07:24.820all of us are dead that's those are the things that people are gonna watch and read and listen
01:07:29.960to and consume to understand what we were in 2023 and it's really sad to me the idea that
01:07:37.860as a culture collectively we might not hold that as a value that long that cultural longevity we
01:07:44.240might be losing that it really it really it hurts yeah i think i feel like the same way i think it
01:07:52.080is really concerning to see what's happening the one thing i do kind of disagree with with that
01:07:57.400quote i think the kind of lens of like oh people just don't want these kind of movies don't want
01:08:03.020these kind of like indie really like more artistic movies anymore i think that's that i'm a little
01:08:10.300bit more cautious of i don't think it's necessarily that people don't want it i think so much of it
01:08:14.620just has to do with the fact that like the way that the film industry has acted in the past like
01:08:20.020decade it has kind of given people like the the it's become so much more centralized um there's
01:08:29.040been so much more emphasis on like you know a lot of like special effects and cgi and stuff that
01:08:35.280isn't even particularly good coming from a lot of these studios but like and i mean i think this
01:08:40.860whole idea of like these film franchises has become such a bigger thing culturally um but a
01:08:45.380lot of that is because that is what these production companies have like sort of engineered
01:08:50.340the film industry to look like to look like and again like I brought up the writer's strike
01:08:54.620earlier it's the fact that the the power the monetary power is so centralized right now and
01:09:01.120the people that are the ones making this art aren't getting compensated aren't able to live
01:09:07.000their lives yeah I think it's just the the one thing that I think kind of gives me hope in this
01:09:13.100sort of situation is the fact that i i think we are reaching a point where like all these superhero
01:09:18.360movies keep flopping because people have gotten really sick of it because again like i love
01:09:22.620superhero movies i think they're fun they're always gonna be a thing in american culture but
01:09:26.300like we're all kind of sick of the of the like avengers thing like they kind of did their big
01:09:31.340thing and it's like we're ready for the next thing i feel like lately there's been like a
01:09:35.620couple more that have sort of like i remember okay everything everywhere all at once when that came
01:09:39.820now because I had a I loved that movie so much I know lots of people love that movie and I remember
01:09:45.080talking to a friend about it and they were just like I felt so like like it felt new it was the
01:09:50.560first thing that I watched in a while that felt like new and original and I feel like I'm seeing
01:09:55.060a little bit more of that and like I don't know I saw like bottoms last weekend oh my god how was
01:10:02.360it wait I'm seeing it I'm seeing it tomorrow is it good it's so good okay okay okay I'm so excited
01:10:07.800that is like one of my new favorite movies again solidarity with the writers trying
01:10:12.420solidarity with the actors like I know they're not doing promotion right now so I don't want to
01:10:16.240be like but but it's an amazing movie I totally recommend people go see it but even like with
01:10:23.060that I remember seeing a tweet from somebody about it where they were like here's the budget
01:10:26.380and here's what it made and it's opening weekend and it was less than the budget but I was like
01:10:29.860okay but that's just opening weekend like and also it opened to only a couple theaters this
01:10:34.640isn't like a marvel movie where they're trying like there was that whole thing for a while where
01:10:38.660like disney kept trying to like one up it's like most money made for a movie and there was like a
01:10:44.240whole thing it was between like the avengers and like avatar for a while and like i don't care like
01:10:49.860it was one of those things i was sort of like they paid billions of dollars why are they still
01:10:54.120trying to make more money just to be just for like a pr stunt um so i think again i think the
01:11:00.720issue is less like people don't want this stuff i think people do i think people always will
01:11:05.960yes there's the argument that like with you know tiktok and twitch streamers there's all this much
01:11:10.880more like packaged targeted content out there again like the whole using the word content versus
01:11:17.600film um which i i agree with that i think calling it content feels a little weird but um yeah but
01:11:24.760but at the same time i think you know people like art people want art that's like a part of humanity
01:11:30.520that has existed forever and yeah again I am hopeful I do think like the fact that like 824
01:11:36.780has kind of taken off in its popularity like as much as I don't like film Twitter as a whole I
01:11:44.200think the fact that like film Twitter and Letterboxd and all these things are sort of like
01:11:47.660becoming a bigger thing I think it just shows that like there's still people interested in this
01:11:51.540there's still people that want to see this it's just the industry's fucked like honestly it's yeah
01:11:57.400i i'm hoping for the best but yeah we'll see what happens oh my gosh i love everything that0.57
01:12:06.520you just said first of all i i think i i'm i'm like an a24 stan i'm probably i'm probably the
01:12:14.220person on film twitter that you're like god you're so annoying i'm into like i'm worse
01:12:19.300it is the thing where i'm like i'm part of the problem and i yes
01:12:23.880yeah i'm the problem it's me yeah exactly but this is so hopeful this is such a hopeful
01:12:33.120note to end on like support the writer's strike as much as i like as much harm as these like0.95
01:12:40.360billionaire streamer hollywood ceo bastards have given us the fact that they robbed us of a bottoms
01:12:48.300press tour i will never forgive them but they're like a couple of videos i did before the before0.95
01:12:53.760the strike were just like beautiful but yeah again and i i go see bottoms the way to support
01:12:59.820the strike is to show these executives that people want these movies that people want this
01:13:04.160creativity go see bottoms fantastic film that is a great place to end you have your assignment for
01:13:10.480the weekend folks go see bottoms joey thank you so much for being here i really appreciate it
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