There Are No Girls on the Internet - October 13, 2023


Elon Musk’s Twitter is making the Israel - Hamas conflict worse

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00:01:19.620 By now you know that on October 7th, the Palestinian militant group Hamas launched an attack on Israel.
00:01:28.260 Hamas fighters entered communities near the Gaza Strip, where a music festival was happening,
00:01:32.880 killing hundreds of people and taking dozens of hostages.
00:01:35.980 BBC published a really helpful breakdown of what's going on and how we got here that we'll put in the show notes.
00:01:41.640 BBC writes that although the attack was, quote, unexpected, it came at a time of soaring Israeli-Palestinian tensions.
00:01:49.400 This year has been the deadliest on record for Palestinians who live in the Israeli-occupied West Bank,
00:01:54.520 which could have motivated Hamas to strike Israel with a spectacular attack.
00:01:59.140 Now, this whole situation is truly heartbreaking.
00:02:03.440 It is heartbreaking to hear about the loss of life in Israel,
00:02:06.300 and it's heartbreaking to hear about what's happening to the Palestinian people.
00:02:09.500 According to Axios, more than 1,530 Palestinians and 1,200 Israelis have been killed.
00:02:17.420 Thousands more have been injured since the latest fighting between Israel and Hamas began.
00:02:21.540 Hamas is believed to be holding about 150 hostages in Gaza.
00:02:25.240 The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said on Friday
00:02:29.020 the number of Palestinians displaced in Gaza has risen to over 423,000 amid the intensified fighting.
00:02:36.120 And things seem to be getting worse quickly, according to Axios.
00:02:40.300 The Israeli Ministry of Defense and the IDF notified the UN to evacuate its staff
00:02:44.940 and to notify Palestinians living in northern Gaza
00:02:47.860 that they should evacuate the southern part of the Gaza Strip in the next 24 hours,
00:02:51.700 which is really not something they could do.
00:02:54.980 We're talking about over a million people.
00:02:57.060 So, yeah, it is a bad situation that is escalating quickly.
00:03:01.280 And making everything worse is that Twitter,
00:03:04.280 which at one time was the best place to follow rapidly changing global news
00:03:08.100 and to get updates from folks on the ground during complex situations like this one,
00:03:12.540 is completely broken.
00:03:14.900 It's full of incendiary, inflammatory, and false claims.
00:03:18.560 And to me, it really taps into so much about what I know about disinformation,
00:03:23.060 especially how disinformation functions to tap into emotional,
00:03:26.740 tent situations like this one.
00:03:28.760 Now, this obviously is not new.
00:03:31.260 But what does feel new is just how bad things are now.
00:03:35.140 Twitter, you know, is a platform that has always had its problems.
00:03:38.340 I'll be the first person to tell you about all of them.
00:03:40.360 But, before Elon Musk, it used to be the best platform for following breaking news stories as they unfolded.
00:03:46.800 But now, Twitter is simply not a place I can recommend people follow to get accurate information.
00:03:52.580 Like, I honestly feel like I need to say that one more time and really emphasize it.
00:03:56.580 At this point, I think whatever you read on Twitter, especially whatever you read about this specific conflict between Hamas and Israel,
00:04:04.640 needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt and really read with skepticism and critical thinking.
00:04:09.500 because Twitter is simply no longer a platform where accurate information can be counted on.
00:04:15.220 And yes, you know, all social media platforms are like this to a degree.
00:04:19.500 When some new diet fad or new diet tip pops up on TikTok,
00:04:23.580 you should definitely be wary of just taking it at face value.
00:04:26.820 We've always known that about information we get on social media.
00:04:30.000 But what's going on with Twitter specifically is different.
00:04:33.200 As someone who studies disinformation and media, it is unlike anything I have ever seen.
00:04:38.780 And I'm hearing the same thing from other folks in the disinformation space, too.
00:04:43.200 Like political scientist Ian Bremmer, the president of Eurasia Group, a political risk consultancy, wrote,
00:04:48.640 quote,
00:04:49.080 The level of disinformation on Israel-Hamas war being algorithmically promoted on Twitter is unlike anything I've ever been exposed to in my career as a political scientist.
00:04:58.560 Justin Pendon, an open-source intelligence researcher, wrote,
00:05:01.940 For many reasons, this is the hardest time I've ever had covering a crisis on here.
00:05:06.880 Credible links are now photos.
00:05:08.780 On-the-ground news outlets struggle to reach audiences without an expensive blue checkmark.
00:05:13.280 Xenophobic goons are boosted by the platform's CEO.
00:05:16.420 End times, folks.
00:05:18.640 And that's really what I've been seeing while trying to cover this on Twitter.
00:05:21.820 You know, trying to make heads or tails of what's going on via Twitter
00:05:24.700 necessitates so far beyond what you would think of as the normal critical thinking
00:05:29.480 that we should all be expected to have when we're engaging with content online.
00:05:33.340 It is basically impossible to find out what's going on,
00:05:36.180 make sense of it, and find out what's true and what's not.
00:05:39.020 It's like Elon Musk's Twitter policies have turned Twitter into a place where nobody can tell
00:05:43.200 what is going on and what the truth is.
00:05:45.500 And honestly, it seems like that is by design.
00:05:48.520 I know that we joke about this a lot on the podcast,
00:05:51.080 and I think it really comes from a place of, like, laugh to keep from crying.
00:05:55.740 But this week was a really sobering reminder, at least for me, that this is real.
00:06:01.320 The stakes are real. The stakes are very high.
00:06:03.900 And I really have to say something that might not sound like me, or like I usually sound on the podcast, which is that we are simply not prepared for how bad this is.
00:06:14.800 We are simply not prepared for how much worse this could get.
00:06:18.720 So there are a few specific new Twitter policies under Elon Musk that I think are responsible for where we are today.
00:06:25.140 The first is Elon's pay-for-verification scheme, where folks pay $8 to get blue checkmarks.
00:06:32.000 It obscures who is a credible person.
00:06:34.440 And people who pay for verification get their content algorithmically amplified on the platform.
00:06:40.300 Next is the new monetization scheme where people can get paid for how much engagement their tweets get.
00:06:45.660 And then last is that legit news articles now just show up as pictures with no text, thus making them hard to get any context at all when scrolling by them.
00:06:55.020 All of this has led to Twitter feeling like a place where you really cannot make heads or tails of anything,
00:06:59.840 which is especially troubling when it comes to an emotionally charged, highly polarized, ongoing conflict, like the one that we're seeing now.
00:07:08.540 So one of the biggest issues is that it's just very difficult to verify what is being said on Twitter right now.
00:07:14.780 In a crisis or a breaking news situation, the most important bit of digital hygiene that one can practice is not amplifying or spreading claims that are unverified,
00:07:23.760 especially big claims that are sure to trigger an emotional response.
00:07:27.160 It is a personal standard that I try to live by when I'm online, though it's often difficult just due to the nature of how social media platforms work.
00:07:34.760 You know, I think Twitter is especially prone to making us want to move very quickly because the platform has historically moved very quickly.
00:07:41.860 So it takes a little bit of, like, mindfulness and, I guess, deprogramming to make yourself move a little bit slower and actually take a few steps to verify whatever you're seeing before just quickly smashing that retweet button.
00:07:54.060 But on Twitter right now, verifying claims before spreading them is near impossible.
00:07:59.760 It used to be much easier, and that was one of the good things about having a legit verification program pre-Elon Musk.
00:08:05.840 Because if somebody had a blue checkmark, you could click on their profile and be reasonably sure they were who they said they were.
00:08:12.360 You know, you click on a journalist account with a blue checkmark, at least you know,
00:08:15.620 hey, the person making this claim has been verified to work at XYZ news organization that probably has some kind of journalistic standards.
00:08:23.440 If they tweet something that is wrong, they will probably correct it or have some kind of accountability around it.
00:08:28.540 But now, anyone can buy a blue checkmark, which ensures that more of us will see their tweets.
00:08:33.860 Because people who buy blue checkmarks have their content algorithmically prioritized on this new version of Twitter.
00:08:39.900 And even though we all had that campaign of delegitimizing and, like, making fun of people who bought blue checkmarks,
00:08:46.400 I do still feel like we might have a holdover feeling of a blue checkmark indicating accuracy.
00:08:52.160 Especially in times of crisis, because in a crisis, we're all moving quickly, just trying to quickly verify information.
00:08:57.880 So it might take another moment or another additional layer of scrutiny for us to be like, wait, this blue checkmark is actually meaningless.
00:09:05.000 I shouldn't just trust what this person is saying at face value, just because they have the blue checkmark.
00:09:09.940 It's just another way that one of the very few guardrails that we had to depend on has now been removed and how risky that is during times of crisis or confusion.
00:09:19.280 So there are a few big claims that I saw about the attack on Israel that I was working to verify before amplifying.
00:09:25.360 But one that I want to focus on is one that you might have heard, which is that Hamas, quote, beheaded 40 infants.
00:09:31.700 Kat Tenbarge and Melissa Chan over at NBC have a really good breakdown of trying to verify this claim.
00:09:38.060 Their piece was published on Thursday.
00:09:40.360 We're recording this on Friday morning.
00:09:42.280 This is a developing situation, so whatever I'm about to say, things might change after we actually publish this episode.
00:09:48.060 So keep that in mind.
00:09:50.240 NBC dug into where these viral claims about beheading babies came from
00:09:53.920 and what we know about them now.
00:09:55.900 They write,
00:09:56.920 An IDF spokesperson told Business Insider on Tuesday
00:09:59.680 that soldiers had found decapitated babies,
00:10:02.500 but said Wednesday that it would not investigate
00:10:04.500 or provide further evidence regarding the claim.
00:10:07.100 Late Wednesday, an IDF spokesperson said on a video on Twitter
00:10:10.000 that the IDF had relative confidence of the claims.
00:10:13.820 But on Wednesday, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
00:10:17.840 told CNN that babies and toddlers were found with their heads decapitated
00:10:21.440 in southern Israel after Hamas' attack.
00:10:24.200 But Thursday morning, an Israeli official told CNN
00:10:26.720 the government had not confirmed claims of the beheadings.
00:10:30.040 A senior State Department official said Thursday morning
00:10:32.280 the agency was not in a position to confirm the beheading claims.
00:10:35.680 Now, the NBC piece suggests that the claim about the 40 babies being beheaded
00:10:39.360 came from one news report kind of being telephoned into something else
00:10:43.960 after it blew up on Twitter.
00:10:45.860 Mark Owens-Jones, an associate professor of Middle East studies at Hamad bin Khalifa University in Qatar,
00:10:50.840 who studies misinformation, told NBC News that he found the source of the 40 beheaded babies
00:10:55.740 allegations largely stemmed from one viral Israeli news broadcast clip from I-24 News
00:11:01.900 that did not specifically refer to that allegation.
00:11:05.220 Nicole Zadek, a correspondent for the privately owned Israeli news outlet I-24 News,
00:11:10.240 said in the video that Israeli soldiers told her that they'd found, quote,
00:11:14.000 babies, their heads cut off. The video has been viewed more than 11 million times on Twitter
00:11:18.660 according to its view counter, which might be inaccurate because Twitter might be inflating
00:11:23.500 their view counts. That's a conversation for a different day. In another tweet, Zendek wrote
00:11:28.360 that the soldiers told her that they believe, quote, 40 babies slash children were killed,
00:11:33.240 not beheaded specifically. Mark Owen Jones said that somehow those two bits of information
00:11:38.640 about a baby being found beheaded and 40 babies or children being killed were connected.
00:11:44.960 So the story became 40 babies were beheaded.
00:11:48.000 And in the British press today, about six or seven newspapers had it on their front pages.
00:11:52.260 An IDF spokesperson, Dorian Spielman, told NBC News on Tuesday that he could not confirm
00:11:57.080 I-24 News' report.
00:11:59.100 But this did not keep that claim from being repeated by President Biden, who said,
00:12:03.500 quote, I never really thought I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists
00:12:07.320 beheading children. But soon after, the White House clarified that Biden was referring to
00:12:11.860 reports from Israel about beheaded children and cited several media reports of beheadings.
00:12:16.440 So why are these claims such a big deal? Because now they've kind of become part of how we
00:12:21.500 understand what's happening, whether it's accurate or not. And they become part of the
00:12:25.560 justification for escalation and sort of just become the truth of the situation, whether or
00:12:31.460 not it is grounded in fact. NBC reported that on Wednesday, the phrase, did Hamas kill babies,
00:12:37.320 saw the biggest increase in search interest on Google of anything related to the war,
00:12:41.540 and that 40 babies beheaded claim had over 44 million impressions on Twitter.
00:12:46.540 Now, these claims are obviously highly emotionally resonant and disturbing.
00:12:52.280 It's the kind of specific detail that would get an emotional rise out of anyone.
00:12:56.320 But right now, as of Friday morning, I cannot tell you whether this incredibly viral claim
00:13:02.060 that has dominated the conversation is actually true or not.
00:13:05.300 It might be true, it might be false, it might be somewhere in the middle.
00:13:09.060 And it strikes me that we ought to be able to verify a claim that 44 million different people engaged with.
00:13:15.600 And like, I'm not even really sure how to describe this, but I have seen this vibe on Twitter where people are kind of pushing back against the idea that journalists would even need to or want to verify this claim before amplifying it.
00:13:30.100 kind of making it seem like verifying it is a way to minimize the horror of the situation.
00:13:36.060 And I think that really shows the danger of making these kind of specific claims
00:13:40.380 if they are not verified, because ultimately it makes the conversation about that specific claim,
00:13:46.260 you know, that X amount of babies were killed in X specific horrific way.
00:13:49.760 And it becomes about trying to find out if that specific claim is true or not,
00:13:54.040 you know, tracing the origins, researching it, all of that.
00:13:56.760 So that one specific big claim becomes a sticking point that kind of takes us away from the larger conversation.
00:14:03.100 Because here's the thing, that situation is truly awful.
00:14:07.660 We don't need to add highly emotionally charged, specific, unsubstantiated claims to the conversation to understand that.
00:14:14.420 And ultimately, I think that is the kind of climate that bad actors want, where it doesn't really matter what the truth is.
00:14:20.940 It's how we get to a world where the truth and facts and the reality of what happened kind of don't matter.
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00:16:28.880 So another kind of complex claim that I want to dig into that I saw on Twitter is that Black Lives Matter is celebrating the attack on Israel.
00:16:38.080 So Black Lives Matter Chicago published a graphic depicting a Hamas militant in a parachute.
00:16:43.880 The militants used parachutes in the initial attack on October 7th.
00:16:48.200 Obviously, the implication being that they were glorifying the attack.
00:16:51.820 So I saw this tweet with my own eyes.
00:16:53.980 So it is not in dispute that a Twitter account associated with Black Lives Matter Chicago did, in fact, tweet it out.
00:17:00.680 But something that I know is that when people say Black Lives Matter as an entity, they could be referring to a few different things.
00:17:08.000 You know, there is the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which is a nonprofit organization with all of the nonprofit, like, paperwork and certifications from the government, like, 990s, that was founded by Patrisse Cullors, Opal Tometi, and Alicia Garza.
00:17:23.440 There's Black Lives Matter state affiliates.
00:17:26.080 There's people or groups who are sort of loosely associated with Black Lives Matter.
00:17:30.220 And then there's Black Lives Matter kind of the movement, you know, where you may have somebody who has no official affiliation with any one organized group, but is in solidarity with racial justice sort of generally.
00:17:43.520 And sort of as a side note, one of the ways that we've kind of gotten here is through this vibe where anybody who was protesting against racial justice was being called, quote, a Black Lives Matter activist, regardless of their affiliation with the actual organization.
00:17:56.780 Which just kind of created this nebulous idea that anybody who was black and against racial justice was somehow affiliated with Black Lives Matter, even if they weren't.
00:18:05.460 So a Twitter account called Black Lives Matter Chicago did, in fact, tweet out this image with a picture of a Hamas fighter in a parachute, kind of glorifying the attack.
00:18:17.180 And lots of people, you know, even elected officials, were condemning it, saying, oh, Black Lives Matter is despicable for celebrating this attack on Israel.
00:18:26.560 And specifically saying things like, oh, well, this is why I never supported Black Lives Matter or, you know, Black Lives Matter is anti-Semitic, all of that.
00:18:36.500 But on October 10th, the Black Lives Matter Global Network, which is the Black Lives Matter nonprofit organization, basically said, we have no affiliation with that account.
00:18:45.660 The statement reads,
00:19:15.660 regard to the Israel-Palestine conflict at all, and there are no plans to. BLM Chicago is an
00:19:21.560 independently run Twitter account that is run by one individual and does not have any association
00:19:26.560 with our company at all, nor is that Twitter account run by our organization. So any statement
00:19:31.940 from any BLM-branded account on social media claiming to support Palestine did not come from
00:19:37.020 our organization. Since day one of this war, high-profile right-wing media moguls on Twitter
00:19:41.980 have been falsely trying to blame, link, BLM, and Black people to this Israel-Palestine conflict.
00:19:47.980 There are literally over 100 different BLM-branded Twitter and Instagram accounts.
00:19:52.440 People in independent online city chapters use our logo and brand for clout
00:19:56.040 and to get more attention to their pages.
00:19:58.580 We have no legal ability to stop this.
00:20:00.800 We have previously consulted with lawyers to stop others from using the Black Lives Matter branding and logo
00:20:05.780 so that we cannot be blamed in the event one of these accounts says something controversial
00:20:09.960 but have not been successful in shutting down these fake BLM accounts.
00:20:14.860 So literally anyone can create a Black Lives Matter branded account.
00:20:19.000 No social media account from the actual Black Lives Matter organization
00:20:22.320 will be issuing support or any press release
00:20:24.440 regards to the Israel-Palestine conflict at all.
00:20:28.320 So basically, Black Lives Matter, the organization, is saying,
00:20:31.620 this has nothing to do with us, this is just one person acting independently.
00:20:35.940 The Black Lives Matter Chicago account spent the last few days
00:20:38.740 after posting the image, defending it,
00:20:40.860 until eventually they deleted it, saying,
00:20:43.180 yesterday we sent out messages that we aren't proud of.
00:20:45.700 We stand with Palestine and the people
00:20:47.220 who will do what they must to live free.
00:20:49.380 Our hearts are with the grieving mothers,
00:20:51.580 those rescuing babies from rubble,
00:20:53.180 who are in danger of being wiped out completely.
00:20:56.180 But the damage is already done.
00:20:58.620 People seized on that one post
00:21:00.440 and used it to paint all of Black Lives Matter
00:21:02.500 or anyone even loosely affiliated with it
00:21:04.900 or really anybody Black as endorsing that post.
00:21:08.080 And of course, this was just used to further stoke existing divisions.
00:21:12.660 Lots of people were using that one social media post as a justification for why they don't support racial justice.
00:21:19.100 People tweeted that they were made to feel like they had to support Black Lives Matter back in 2020,
00:21:24.300 and making it seem like now Black Lives Matter, and really Black people in general, were endorsing what happened in Israel.
00:21:31.600 Bad actors, like the Mostly Peaceful meme account on Twitter, which is verified and has almost half a million followers,
00:21:37.220 replied to Black Lives Matter Chicago's post saying,
00:21:41.280 at mentioning Chick-fil-A, asking,
00:21:43.440 do you approve this message?
00:21:45.040 With a link showing that Chick-fil-A donated money to Black nonprofits.
00:21:49.100 Did Chick-fil-A donate money to Black Lives Matter
00:21:51.960 or any Black Lives Matter-affiliated organization?
00:21:54.760 No, they didn't.
00:21:55.740 If you go to Chick-fil-A's website about the donations,
00:21:58.480 the recipients are organizations like the Precious Lamb School,
00:22:01.320 which supports babies who are experiencing homelessness.
00:22:04.600 But the implication is that they are somehow associated with Black Lives Matter just because they are a Black nonprofit.
00:22:10.900 And thus, they are responsible or need to answer for this one person's tweet.
00:22:15.740 And that Chick-fil-A also needs to answer for it, too, because of their, quote, association with them.
00:22:21.980 Now, this is something that we need to be very, very aware of.
00:22:25.380 Bad actors will always use moments like these to try to exploit and inflame our very real existing tensions.
00:22:32.940 Bad actors do not want us to be in solidarity with each other.
00:22:36.400 They want us to be divided.
00:22:38.320 They will exploit and inflame those divisions because when we're operating from a place of solidarity with each other, we are much less likely to fall for their lies.
00:22:47.400 So now more than ever, we all need to be operating from a place of empathy and genuine solidarity with each other.
00:22:53.180 That is the only way to confront this.
00:22:55.200 So there's unverified or difficult-to-verify claims, but we also have the issue of just fake or intentionally misrepresented claims flooding Twitter right now.
00:23:04.960 On Saturday, a doctored White House news release posted online falsely claimed that Biden had authorized $8 billion in emergency aid to Israel.
00:23:14.380 The fact that it was fake did not stop it from being posted across the internet and rising to the top of Google's search results.
00:23:20.860 NBC reported that one of the first results on Google is a false article from the Mumbai-based publication First Post.
00:23:28.180 The article appeared on the Top Stories module on Google alongside articles by Axios and The Wall Street Journal.
00:23:33.620 Even though it's fake, it did not stop several news outlets from writing it up as if it were a real story,
00:23:39.080 and then those news reports showing up with high prominence on Google Search.
00:23:43.140 Verified accounts on Twitter were then sharing this fake White House report.
00:23:48.220 And keep in mind, verified accounts are eligible for Twitter's revenue-sharing scheme, if Elon
00:23:53.160 pays up, that is.
00:23:54.460 And that means they can make money off of spreading lies and are incentivized to post
00:23:58.520 things that get lots of eyeballs.
00:24:00.520 Post-sharing the fake document and its claims, many of which are still up, have accrued hundreds
00:24:05.660 of thousands of views on the platform.
00:24:08.060 We've also seen several instances of old videos from older conflicts or videos that
00:24:12.800 not even related to the conflict at all, being repurposed on Twitter with claims that they are
00:24:18.100 from the current conflict. Shahan Sardarzadeh, journalist for BBC Verify, has even found video
00:24:24.340 game footage being posted on Twitter purporting to show the conflict. Think about that. You know,
00:24:29.880 video games are designed specifically to look engaging and cinematic. So of course, when those
00:24:34.880 videos are put on Twitter, they're going to rack up engagement and spread far and wide.
00:24:39.800 It's basically an engagement farm.
00:24:42.020 These accounts are incentivized by Twitter's current monetization program
00:24:45.440 to tell these outlandish lies because they know they can make money from it.
00:24:51.960 More after a quick break.
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00:26:50.060 Let's get right back into it.
00:26:52.440 So as we've talked about, a lot of the features that would help curb the spread of inaccurate information on Twitter, Elon has either gotten rid of or really scaled back.
00:27:01.280 Instead, he has promoted the Community Notes program, where people can add notes to posts to give more context.
00:27:08.040 So how's that going?
00:27:09.680 Well, as NBC's Ben Goggin reports, not well.
00:27:13.680 The system's Community Notes relies on approved volunteers to suggest notes to be appended to posts.
00:27:19.000 Those posts are then voted on by other volunteers and eventually published after they reach a certain threshold of helpful votes from people with different points of view, according to Twitter.
00:27:28.140 This is just a really ineffective way to fact check things.
00:27:33.600 And basically, it sounds like there is just too much inaccurate information on Twitter right now that the community notes program just cannot keep up.
00:27:41.620 NBC looked at two viral claims related to the conflict, the doctored press release saying that Biden had approved billions in aid, and a debunked claim that an Orthodox church in Gaza was destroyed.
00:27:52.720 Only 8% of 120 posts related to those stories had published community notes, while 26% had unpublished notes from volunteers that had yet to be approved.
00:28:02.880 About two-thirds of the top posts NBC News reviewed had no proposed or published community notes on them.
00:28:08.800 So just debunked false information with no fact check or note whatsoever on Twitter to be viewed, amplified, spread, and monetized.
00:28:20.440 Kim Pacasio, a community notes volunteer, wrote on Instagram's threads,
00:28:24.860 All weekend we were furiously vetting, writing, and approving community notes on hundreds of posts which were demonstrably fake news.
00:28:32.240 It took two plus days for the back room to press whatever button to finally make all of our warnings publicly viewable.
00:28:38.580 By that time, you know the rest of that sentence.
00:28:41.260 Pocasio told NBC News that she ended up just tweeting out proposed community notes herself
00:28:45.420 in response to misinformation out of total frustration.
00:28:49.140 Which I completely understand that frustration because this system does not work.
00:28:54.280 And it seems like Twitter has kind of realized that it's not working.
00:28:57.660 According to a post from At Community Notes on October 3rd,
00:29:00.900 Twitter wrote,
00:29:01.460 Starting today, notes will appear on average of 1.5 hours faster, and as much as 3.5 hours faster in some cases.
00:29:09.500 Twitter's new Maybe CEO, Linda Yaccarino, added,
00:29:13.160 Community notes now appear more quickly on X.
00:29:15.740 They're a vital tool for adding context and combating potential misinformation.
00:29:19.640 Become part of this important community.
00:29:21.480 And I just find it gross that she is talking about this like it's some cool new bell or whistle that people should be excited about,
00:29:29.160 as opposed to an obviously ineffective way to approach what should be a standard infrastructure
00:29:35.280 of how a platform as important as Twitter should be responsibly run.
00:29:39.720 Because here's the thing, Twitter should not be depending on a crew of frustrated volunteers
00:29:44.240 to ensure that false information that could actually put people's lives in danger
00:29:48.740 is not being amplified and monetized on the platform they run.
00:29:53.100 You know, these people are volunteers, they're not even being paid.
00:29:55.720 And even Elon Musk seemed to see this as an issue.
00:29:59.160 He tweeted, as always, please try to stay as close to the truth as possible, even for stuff you don't like.
00:30:04.740 But that was after he himself was telling his 44 million followers to follow accounts known for amplifying lies in anti-Semitism.
00:30:12.960 Musk suggested that folks follow War Monitors and Sent Defender, quote, for following the war in real time.
00:30:19.900 But both of these accounts spread a false claim that there had been an explosion near the White House back in May.
00:30:25.360 And the War Monitors account that Elon suggested folks follow has a history of posting anti-Semitic comments on Twitter.
00:30:32.140 The account replied to a post from Kanye West during his anti-Semitic meltdown, adding, quote,
00:30:37.000 The overwhelming majority of people in the media and banks are Zionists, while telling another Twitter user in June to go worship a Jew, little bro.
00:30:47.080 Now, Musk did eventually delete that post, suggesting that people follow those two accounts for news about the conflict. 0.73
00:30:52.480 but he did so after it was up for three hours and viewed by 11 million people.
00:30:57.880 So to be clear, I think this is particularly bad on Twitter right now, and I'm not alone.
00:31:03.880 Business Insider spoke to Sander van der Linden, a professor at the University of Cambridge
00:31:08.080 and author of Foolproof, Why Misinformation Infects Our Minds and How to Build Immunity,
00:31:12.920 who said,
00:31:13.760 I would be fairly confident to say that a lot of what we're seeing right now
00:31:16.880 is a direct result of the policy changes that were implemented by Musk.
00:31:20.200 Van der Linden said that Musk's early changes to the platform, including gutting the trust and safety team, changing the verification process, and introducing monetized content are not only allowing, but also motivating the spread of misinformation on the platform.
00:31:34.560 The fact that people with verified accounts can monetize their content means they have the wrong incentive, he said.
00:31:40.200 They're incentivized to spread content that's going to get engagement, clicks, and ultimately make them money.
00:31:46.000 Whatever polarizing images they can find, whether it's real or fake, is going to elicit clicks.
00:31:51.480 Which I think is part of how we got to where we are today.
00:31:54.220 Now, there might be a silver lining because a change might be coming.
00:31:58.380 EU Commissioner Theory Brenton served Musk and other social media platforms with a letter,
00:32:03.240 giving them 24 hours to comply with a request for information about how Twitter is following EU's Digital Services Act,
00:32:08.720 which has very strict rules about how platforms handle inaccurate information and material from extremist groups.
00:32:14.420 And of course, because it's Elon Musk we're talking about, Musk basically tried to bait Theory Brenton into a public fight demanding that the EU publicly post the violations that Twitter is responsible for, which like, give me a break.
00:32:29.800 Like, you can just look with your eyes and see the violations that Twitter is responsible for, like anybody who has been on Twitter at all the last week could probably tell you, or you could just listen to this podcast.
00:32:41.180 So why does any of this matter?
00:32:43.480 Well, Twitter has historically been a platform where elected officials and policy and newsmakers spend a lot of time.
00:32:49.500 These are the folks who are getting a lot of their information from Twitter.
00:32:52.800 So if it's full of emotionally charged, inaccurate information that is impossible to verify, that's really not good.
00:32:59.440 And when you add in things like AI-generated deepfake images, I think it's only going to get worse.
00:33:06.680 And this is one of the reasons why our digital ecosystem just feels so irreparably broken.
00:33:12.760 We have a real problem if one billionaire can single-handedly buy one of our most important platforms for information
00:33:19.320 and not just make it useless, but dangerous.
00:33:23.260 So what can we do in the meantime?
00:33:25.940 Well, I will repeat this until the cows come home.
00:33:29.140 Twitter is not your friend right now.
00:33:31.600 Do not take anything that you see on Twitter right now at face value,
00:33:36.420 especially if you do not have an hour to spend doing background research into whatever claim you're seeing there.
00:33:42.760 Now, to be clear, that is not right.
00:33:45.740 That should not be the standard.
00:33:47.860 Everyday people should not have to do that level of research, you know, while they're
00:33:52.920 scrolling their morning coffee just to verify what they're seeing.
00:33:57.320 We deserve a digital media landscape that you can trust within reason.
00:34:01.800 We shouldn't have to do any of this.
00:34:03.940 We deserve a better platform.
00:34:06.200 But until then, it is so important that all of us really understand how bad Twitter has
00:34:11.880 gotten, and act accordingly. Look to trusted news sources for information about the conflict,
00:34:17.640 beyond Twitter, professional journalists at established outlets that have standards.
00:34:22.280 And while you should always be thinking critically about everything that you read,
00:34:26.040 in general, you can usually have confidence that a big established media outlet or newspaper
00:34:30.860 is going to verify facts before printing them. And the last thing I'll leave you with is just
00:34:36.600 the importance of all of us leading with empathy right now. You know, people are suffering.
00:34:41.880 People are scared, people are mourning, and things are likely about to get worse.
00:34:48.360 Bad actors, they are counting on us giving into that fear, that anxiety, that distrust, and that chaos, and really being reactionary.
00:34:57.000 Those are perfect conditions for people who are interested in spreading lies and chaos.
00:35:03.880 And the best thing we can do in this climate is have empathy for each other and move in genuine solidarity with one another.
00:35:10.140 because we really are stronger together
00:35:13.080 and that's the only way
00:35:14.520 that we're going to make it through.
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