There Are No Girls on the Internet - February 09, 2024


Lesbian bar drama on TikTok; BlueSky open for all; Creeps use AI to put clothes on women; Elon bankrolls Gina Carano’s Disney discrimination suit while simultaneously facing his own – NEWS ROUNDUP

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00:01:18.700 I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
00:01:21.440 joey welcome back to the show i am so happy that you're here hey bridget it's great to be back
00:01:29.100 so i i'll just jump right into it in lieu of banter i have been dying to get your thoughts
00:01:34.840 on something did you see that viral tiktok and the responses to it about the straight cis woman
00:01:43.380 who went to a lesbian bar in Brooklyn with her straight, cis, male friend.
00:01:50.420 And it sounds like maybe the friend was asked to leave.
00:01:53.780 She made a TikTok about it.
00:01:54.860 Do you know what I'm talking about?
00:01:55.940 I did, yes.
00:01:57.280 I did watch the original video and the follow-up
00:02:01.580 and all of the various commentaries.
00:02:04.420 There were so many follow-ups.
00:02:06.580 There were so many follow-ups.
00:02:08.060 So the bar in question actually was not in Brooklyn.
00:02:12.620 it's cubby hole which is in the west village of manhattan oh um i actually have never been there
00:02:20.560 uh a big reason why i have not been there is because it's tiny like it is a like and that
00:02:27.300 is something that a lot of the kind of commentary on this have pointed out is the fact that cubby
00:02:32.080 hole is like it's it's tiny it's probably like literally like the size of my apartment um
00:02:38.340 but yeah i this has been all over my tiktok uh lately i could spend the entire episode talking
00:02:45.440 about it but uh yeah no it was weird i you know i i feel like this has been a good reminder that
00:02:53.760 straight women uh sometimes can be just as bad as straight cis men uh in terms of just like
00:03:01.020 absolutely missing the the whole situation i just i don't know my favorite response to this
00:03:06.940 whole thing so far was like a guy being like hey why do you want to be in the lesbian bar to begin
00:03:14.580 with like it's a lesbian bar like what are you what are you to do like that's such a good point
00:03:20.200 one of the one of the tiktok responses and something some something about this tiktok
00:03:25.520 really got people talking so if folks so just to give a little bit more context the woman who
00:03:32.100 makes the tiktok it's one of those tiktoks where she's doing a story time doing her makeup and
00:03:36.100 she's explaining how at a night out at Cubbyhole, someone that she sort of describes as like a mean 0.54
00:03:41.440 lesbian comes up to her friend and is like, why are you here? Who are you with? And she's like, 0.93
00:03:46.120 oh, he's with me. And as a straight person in a lesbian bar, it's a little bit much to be like, 0.98
00:03:53.600 oh, he's with me. I'm someone's guest and I have a guest. And so basically she's like,
00:03:59.220 is this a new thing where you're not allowed to be in the lesbian bar if you are straight? 0.99
00:04:05.460 She specifically says, like, is there a rule? 1.00
00:04:08.280 Like, is there a rule?
00:04:09.040 And it's like, no, there's no rule that you can't go to a gay bar if you're straight.
00:04:14.420 It's just there's also no rule that people aren't going to be like, why are you here?
00:04:19.400 Like, yes.
00:04:20.600 So the response that I saw that really made me think, well, one, I've never been to Cubbyhole
00:04:25.900 either, but seeing how small it is, I was like, OK, I can kind of get a sense of like
00:04:30.200 maybe what was going on.
00:04:31.940 also the woman who made that first tiktok she was like oh there were other men there um you know
00:04:40.220 like he wasn't the only man there and so part of me was like nobody was walking up to those people
00:04:44.560 and being like you're straight what are you doing here how did someone like i just have a hard time
00:04:50.420 believing that somebody just singled this guy out knew that he was straight walked up to him and was
00:04:56.640 like what are you doing here i feel like something about his behavior something about what they were
00:05:00.340 doing must have at least at the very at the very baseline have been obnoxious like in a small space
00:05:05.980 yeah did you exactly did you did you see the follow-up from the the woman who was the lesbian
00:05:12.080 in the video or that was being talked about she made a follow-up and she was like she was just
00:05:16.560 kind of like yeah i was like trying to find the bet well i think she she was like trying to find
00:05:21.400 the line for the bathroom and this dude was in the way and she asked him if he could like move
00:05:26.420 or like i don't know like he just it sounds like apparently he was just acting sort of weird about
00:05:30.220 it he was being sort of a dick about it um and she was kind of like oh well like are you here
00:05:34.780 with anybody like are you here with friends and he immediately was like oh well would it would it 0.66
00:05:39.120 be okay would it not be okay if i wasn't here with anybody which like i don't what is up with
00:05:44.220 straight people and like straight cis men specifically like making up fake scenarios
00:05:50.080 where they're being attacked like literally nobody he was the one to be like oh it would
00:05:54.640 it would be not okay i don't know yeah man i like weird um it was it was good at least to see how
00:06:05.800 quickly i think people jumped to defend the uh supposed mean lesbian in the video and uh you
00:06:13.600 know actually address the fact that a lot of the stuff that the original video said were like
00:06:19.200 weirdly homophobic and even the out the comment about like oh there were all these like flamboyant
00:06:24.200 gay men there yeah i was kind of side-eyeing that comment like um yeah i don't know and once again
00:06:35.360 like it's a tiny bar it's a space for well this is the bigger issue and i think the reason this
00:06:42.040 like really blew up and like resonated with a lot of a lot of people right now is because like
00:06:46.380 there is a tiny number of like lesbian bars that are actually operating in the u.s i looked at only
00:06:53.020 23 lesbian bars exist in the united states yeah and like you know this is in the west village
00:06:59.700 which is like where stonewall is it's like was the big gay neighborhood for a while in new york
00:07:05.340 now it really isn't anymore but um there's all these like really important historic gay bars
00:07:11.140 and in terms of lesbian bars it's kind of just like henrietta's and cubbyhole and that's it
00:07:15.920 And again, Cubbyhole is a tiny space that is like, the reason these bars exist is because, you know, queer people were excluded from, or, you know, the whole, the whole like cis straight woman argument is like, oh, well, I just feel more comfortable in like gay bars than I do in straight bars.
00:07:36.420 but then it's like how do you think gay people feel like it is a whole other level yeah which
00:07:40.060 it's so like these these spaces exist for a reason they exist because they're responding
00:07:47.020 to the fact that queer people were excluded from straight spaces and it's so weird now to be seeing
00:07:51.720 straight people be so up in arms about it like imagined scenario when they're being told they
00:07:57.620 can't go into the spaces that were created because they excluded us from other spaces like it's weird 0.83
00:08:04.820 yeah it's basically like like you can't be in our space okay we'll make our own space 0.87
00:08:11.040 i want in that space right look i know like queer women are cool now like but 0.96
00:08:19.880 please like just give this is like we have so little that is just for i don't know and even 1.00
00:08:27.440 i don't know there was another tiktok i saw with the whole comment about like oh well there were
00:08:30.500 all these gay men there that was like hey it's like weird how like what how do you know they're
00:08:34.580 gay men. Also, it's like, yeah, it's a gay bar. There's gay men at the gay bar. There's gay women 0.88
00:08:40.380 that go to gay male bars. I don't know. There's just a different kind of attitude about gender 0.81
00:08:46.980 that straight people just do not even want to think about.
00:08:50.700 What do you think? It has been a long time since I've seen something that was
00:08:54.780 regional specific, like happening in one city, circulated in one bar, that got such a big
00:09:01.580 reaction from people who like maybe have never even been to New York City have never been to
00:09:05.780 that far do you think do you think it's the feeling of like feeling nationally like queer
00:09:11.880 spaces are being pushed out and so this need to use online platforms to loudly like say that and
00:09:20.340 to like there's like a chorus of people who are like actually this is really messed up here's why
00:09:24.480 do you think that's what's going on and why it resonated so much yeah um I think it's like exactly
00:09:30.540 that i think it's just you know whatever part of the country you're in you know either your
00:09:36.320 rights are actively like being debated in your state government right now um or being taken away
00:09:45.000 from you or yeah you're really if you're in a place like new york that's like supposed to be 0.94
00:09:49.760 more accepting but these queer spaces are becoming like few and far apart and uh there's been more
00:09:59.660 and more sort of co-opting of those spaces by straight folks and i think you know i i think
00:10:06.860 yeah it is like a big part of this is just that it's part of this bigger trend of like these
00:10:10.860 spaces closing and and going away and then also the few spaces we have left straight people coming
00:10:18.000 into them and only really coming in to sort of prove that they can be there which seems to be
00:10:23.240 the biggest issue here like i don't know that's just the thing that gets me every time is it's
00:10:26.680 this whole like this whole conflict a they kind of made it not made it up but it was like an
00:10:34.420 imagined thing like nobody was telling him he couldn't be there and then also it's like but
00:10:39.600 yeah why are you like so insistent on invading this bit which it's interesting like what somebody
00:10:44.760 there was a one of the videos that i saw like responding to this was like talking about how 1.00
00:10:49.640 you know originally there was all these like straight women that were coming to
00:10:53.020 gay bars because they were like you know quote unquote felt more safe there and then would 0.85
00:10:59.560 sometimes not all the times but like occasionally then you know act in a way that was making the
00:11:05.740 gay patrons of the bar not feel safe and then also now what's happening is a lot of like
00:11:11.420 straight cis men are coming into gay bars and are coming into gay male bars quote unquote or 0.50
00:11:18.460 like lesbian bars or whatever because they're following these like straight women that are 0.88
00:11:21.800 going there and now it's like yeah like i've had the experience of being hit on by cis straight men
00:11:28.260 at a lesbian bar it is so infuriating it's like is there nowhere where like heterosexuality 0.99
00:11:36.500 doesn't have to be centered like it's a gay bar and the stupidest thing about it is like these 1.00
00:11:41.840 are the same people that then are going to come to that and be like oh well like do you how do you 0.98
00:11:45.580 do you know that i'm it's just people know that fear is like nobody who is not a cis man would 1.00
00:11:52.560 respond to that with like oh well like how did you know that i'm like i don't know it's so stupid 0.96
00:11:56.960 it's like it's this like self-victimization going into the space of the people that you're actually 0.95
00:12:04.140 oppressing or like you know have created these oppressive structures for yeah anyways yeah
00:12:12.000 Clearly, I have a lot of feelings about this.
00:12:14.080 No, I thought you would.
00:12:15.880 I'm glad to get your takes.
00:12:18.280 This might be a hot take.
00:12:20.200 I agree with everything that you've laid out.
00:12:22.220 It makes so much sense. 0.54
00:12:23.260 I would also, yes and that, and add, I think there was something about that original woman's TikTok where it just sounded so smug and self-assured. 0.78
00:12:36.620 And let me just say this. 0.56
00:12:37.600 If I had gone out to any kind of space where someone came up to me and it became clear that I was doing something that was making them uncomfortable, I was making them feel some kind of a way, they didn't want me there, they were asking me questions about why I was there, I don't think after the fact I would make a video that was like, okay, so I made them uncomfortable.
00:12:57.600 Like, you know what I'm saying? I was, I was surprised how, how comfortable she was taking the position of we've done nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong. It's actually this big mean lesbian who's done something wrong. That was really, I think there's something about that that just like gets under, it's just kind of gets under people's skin. And maybe that's one of the reasons why people are like, I gotta submit some facts for this woman.
00:13:25.300 well it's I mean she's like doing her makeup in the video and look like look usually I am not for 0.89
00:13:32.920 like internet pylons people like whatever sometimes people do stupid things and make 0.50
00:13:38.180 mistakes in this case yeah and it's the like smugness of it and then she ended up like
00:13:43.060 deleting it and making an apology video and then later deleted the apology video but in the apology
00:13:47.420 video she's a still doing her makeup while she's doing that's her whole thing and she says it in
00:13:52.680 the same tone where she's like I was just asking a like question like I don't understand you were
00:13:58.180 not just asking a question like you cannot come in and like spew homophobic kind of tropes and 0.60
00:14:04.640 then expect people not to get mad about that you cannot go into a queer space and like yeah create
00:14:11.020 like have that kind of response and then be surprised when people react negatively to you
00:14:16.120 you know doing that yes and let's be real like there is a tone of voice like there is a way to
00:14:23.600 convey seriousness via a tiktok doing your makeup and being like well i'm just asking questions
00:14:31.680 everybody knows what you are trying to convey it is very clear what you're trying to convey
00:14:36.060 i really don't like it when people make content like that and then they try to they try to like
00:14:42.100 throw a rock then hide their hands it's like you clearly made this video you know don't try to act
00:14:49.340 like you were just asking questions and you weren't trying to be disrespectful or smug now
00:14:53.100 stay if that's how you feel that's how you feel it's like a there's this thing online that i see
00:14:57.480 a lot where people will be trying to convey a certain tone or a certain smugness or a
00:15:02.760 flippancy if that's a word i don't know check check that if that is or not i don't know but
00:15:07.220 and then when they're called on it they're like oh that's just i wasn't i didn't mean it that way
00:15:11.940 i feel like she meant it how she meant it it was received the way that it was intended and
00:15:18.100 the fact that she had to delete her apology video as well i don't know i really it really
00:15:23.520 tells me something right like that's not an apology i don't know i look i think straight 0.87
00:15:30.000 women straight white women like y'all can be just as homophobic as your straight boyfriends like 1.00
00:15:36.840 But anyways, I could go on about this for the whole episode. Bridget, I'm sure you've got 1.00
00:15:44.280 many more stories ahead. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Let's get into it.
00:15:51.080 Let's start with Blue Sky. So Blue Sky, for folks who don't know, is a Twitter alternative
00:15:56.160 funded by Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey. It used to be invite only. And there was a time where
00:16:02.500 people would be like, oh, who has a Blue Sky invite? Like, who's got a code? Who's got a code?
00:16:06.360 Well, good news, if you're interested in checking it out, Blue Sky is now available to everyone.
00:16:12.120 So Blue Sky, I've used it a bit.
00:16:14.440 It looks and feels a lot like Twitter.
00:16:17.240 However, it is open source.
00:16:18.740 So that means that there is more transparency into how it is run because it is open source.
00:16:24.600 So TechCrunch had a piece that really put this into perspective.
00:16:28.100 Before opening to the public, Blue Sky had about 3 million signups.
00:16:31.580 Now that anybody can join, can Blue Sky meaningfully stand up to Threads' 130 million monthly active users or Mastodon's 1.8 million active users?
00:16:42.400 It is a fair question. The answer is, I don't know, TBD.
00:16:46.300 However, I don't know. I think it's kind of exciting.
00:16:49.960 Like, on the one hand, I am definitely experiencing a kind of like fatigue slash exhaustion in our current digital media landscape where, you know, I just feel like you're meant to be everywhere.
00:17:07.340 You're meant to be branding yourself everywhere if you want to do anything at all.
00:17:12.100 And the, you know, the landscape keeps shifting beneath my feet.
00:17:16.400 And so it's like, oh, here's how you succeed on Twitter.
00:17:18.900 and then that changes. And then it's like, oh, here's how you succeed on Instagram. And then
00:17:22.540 that changes. And I am feeling a little bit of fatigue of feeling like I have to show up
00:17:28.740 everywhere and not really knowing how to do that and feeling like that is like tied to my success
00:17:33.420 as a creative person. That's a whole other conversation. However, I don't know. I'm
00:17:37.680 choosing to sort of be excited about Blue Sky opening up to everybody. I am really challenging
00:17:43.640 myself to use Twitter less. I deleted it from my phone and that's really helped. I don't think
00:17:49.220 that showing up on Twitter is good for me anymore. And so I'm excited about just having a new
00:17:56.660 platform in the mix. Joey, have you ever used Blue Sky? I have not yet. I also kind of had
00:18:05.640 the mentality of like, I don't know, like this was, yeah, it came out when there were all these
00:18:10.820 like twitter knockoff platforms that were coming out and um i think i made a mastodon account i
00:18:17.300 made a i made an account for one of them honestly i don't remember which app it was which i think is
00:18:22.700 so telling of just like how much stuff was coming out then i like but yeah i think i'm also like i
00:18:29.380 haven't really used my twitter much in the past couple months um kind of had switched over to
00:18:35.940 like tiktok and and instagram with that but you know this is good to hear i feel like blue sky
00:18:41.420 is one of the ones that i like heard about early on and i still hear about so maybe it's maybe it's
00:18:47.640 taking off who's to say threads has been disappointing so you know i'm really trying
00:18:55.260 i mean if folks are having experiences with new platforms let me know how those experiences are
00:19:00.600 going. I've tried Threads. I've tried Spill. We had a senior leader from Spill on the podcast a
00:19:09.920 few months ago. She was great. Really made me excited for the platform. My not using it a lot
00:19:15.640 is not an indication that it's not a good platform. It's just like, again, that fatigue I was speaking
00:19:20.160 to earlier. Mastodon, I tried. Producer Mike really enjoys Mastodon. Mastodon just doesn't
00:19:27.880 feel weird enough for me i kind of need a little bit of like a little bit of freaky deaky in my 0.98
00:19:33.100 social media platforms i need to be like there are weirdos here doing weirdo shit that's what 0.89
00:19:38.080 i think makes is the secret sauce of social media platforms mastodon it's like smart people having 0.82
00:19:44.160 smart conversations but like no as far as i know nobody is like getting weird maybe that's there
00:19:50.320 and i haven't seen it and i haven't really used it a ton so if it's there let me know threads i
00:19:54.920 feel is similar yeah something about threads every time I open threads it is just people that I like
00:20:01.740 like podcast people creative people people who make things journalists whatever media folks
00:20:06.220 kind of bemoaning rightly so but bemoaning the state of media right now and I'm depressed as
00:20:13.640 enough as it is it's like I don't like opening my social media platform and being reminded of all
00:20:18.820 the stuff I'm not doing and need to be doing in the ways that I'm falling behind in like
00:20:23.080 digitally marketing myself. And I think that on threads, I feel like the people who are really
00:20:29.020 showing up and showing out on threads are the people who are like, I need to use this platform
00:20:35.040 to grow my own brand, grow my platform, which I get and respect. But I don't know, part of why I
00:20:42.460 use social media is just for fun, for shits and giggles. And something about thread just makes 0.80
00:20:47.620 me feel, just reminds me of all the ways that I'm not setting up the sub stack or not doing the
00:20:54.140 things I should do. It's just a space where I think folks feel really concerned about, you know,
00:20:59.340 using platforms for their own brand. Blue Sky, when I first got it, it was sort of like memes
00:21:07.140 and jokes and people, like it kind of felt like the early days of social media, but I haven't
00:21:11.320 really used it enough to really say what it's like now. Yeah, I, it'll be interesting to see
00:21:17.340 what happens with it I feel like I've had
00:21:19.340 yeah the same experience with Threads where
00:21:21.380 it feels so
00:21:23.060 corporate it feels so like
00:21:25.220 so much of what I'm seeing is like brands
00:21:27.400 and um it almost
00:21:29.500 kind of feels like the like cleaned up version
00:21:31.340 of what's happening on Twitter right now where I'm getting a lot
00:21:33.420 of tweets and stuff that I don't care
00:21:35.300 about but instead of like Twitter
00:21:37.440 just being like off the rails
00:21:39.260 weird stuff like Threads is
00:21:41.480 just
00:21:42.600 the most
00:21:45.380 like mild
00:21:46.380 centrist middle of the line but also still weird and like kind of offensive stuff going around
00:21:53.080 it feels like i which yeah i they're definitely like it's the same thing what you said about like
00:21:57.820 massadon not really having that like weird space like i feel like threads doesn't have that either
00:22:02.140 but it doesn't even have like the people having nice interesting conversations too it's just like
00:22:08.460 i don't know just very corporate very brand friendly yes i feel the exact same way it's like
00:22:14.880 weirdly offensive but somehow also boring at the same time it's like this is not even engaging but
00:22:20.920 also weirdly i feel a little offended by it right so we're actually going to be speaking on the
00:22:26.900 podcast with someone from blue sky very soon so if you want to try it out now is a good time to do
00:22:32.680 that and if you use blue sky and have questions for senior folks there let me know and i will ask
00:22:38.280 them when we have them on the podcast and in the meantime you can follow me on blue sky where i am
00:22:43.640 Bridget Todd first name last name because I was an early adapter so I got the like first name last
00:22:49.340 name but follow me there I don't post a goddamn thing but if you want to follow me you can
00:22:55.300 you know what maybe I'll make mine after this the next episode I'll be on I'll have a blue sky to
00:23:02.200 yes for everybody follow Joey on blue sky name TBD yeah
00:23:13.640 So let's take a quick break.
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00:25:15.900 Okay, so we talked before about how people are using AI to manipulate women's images to make them appear undressed.
00:25:22.640 We talked about the Taylor Swift deepfakes.
00:25:25.060 We've talked about deepfakes to make women look nude or look like they're in sexual situations.
00:25:30.920 Well, now we have people who are using that same AI technology to add clothing to women who want to appear undressed in online images.
00:25:39.200 And it really all boils down to the same thing. People using tech to take away someone's agency in terms of how they want to present themselves online. So Dignify AI is a social media account that has almost 30,000 followers where they use AI to put clothes on to women's images online and cover them up.
00:26:00.000 So what the account will do will be like directly applying to women who post pictures of themselves in like bikinis or whatever, and they will post pictures of them in various stages of undress that these women have voluntarily put online next to images that they have used AI to manipulate and edited them to look more modest and covered up.
00:26:20.980 They will usually have some kind of a mocking caption that's like, keep your dignity or here, I used AI to give you your dignity back.
00:26:29.340 So in case someone is thinking like, oh, well, maybe they're doing this legitimately because they want to empower women somehow.
00:26:35.980 Like, maybe they think like, oh, this is really like, I'm really like doing the right thing here.
00:26:41.260 It is pretty clearly done as a troll.
00:26:43.820 Media Matters reported that folks who were posting these kind of images were saying things like, quote,
00:26:50.780 A.I. porn makes them angry, but use A.I. to clothe them, remove their tattoos and piercings.
00:26:57.260 The seething will echo through the ages. 0.96
00:27:00.040 Media Matters reports that that same user then said that it would be memetic perfection and likened it to the 4chan campaigns Islam is right about women and it's OK to be white.
00:27:09.540 so this is not done for any kind of like i mean even if even if these people were thinking like
00:27:15.740 oh we're like supporting and empowering the women that would still be no good but these people are
00:27:21.080 pretty clearly just trying to shame women who put their images out onto the internet yeah 0.99
00:27:26.980 that's so gross first of all second of all how big of a loser do you have to be to like 1.00
00:27:34.560 photoshop clothing back on to somebody like I don't know that's so stupid it is already so like 1.00
00:27:40.520 demeaning and I don't know it's the whole thing about yeah you you can't be anything if you're 1.00
00:27:47.500 a woman you can you're wearing too much clothes or too little clothes or whatever you're getting 1.00
00:27:51.280 your clothes photoshopped off you were on you but already yeah like damn you that's so weird 1.00
00:27:58.640 Yeah. And that's that like you really nailed it. It's like if you are modestly dressed online, they will use AI and technology to make you appear undressed. If you're like, OK, I want to be not really dressed online, they will use technology to make you appear more dressed. 0.98
00:28:17.760 it's like the point it doesn't matter how you show up online the point is they should be the 0.98
00:28:22.620 ones deciding how you show up online not you it's like like this whole thing about giving women
00:28:27.880 dignity not only is that obviously meant to be a troll but it's not about that at all it is about
00:28:33.240 control and humiliation and shame and using technology to strip the agency away from people
00:28:39.640 like that's like clearly what it's about yeah like and just to be clear like what if yeah if
00:28:44.320 that's if you find it empowering to be more modest or to dress more modest modestly like
00:28:48.880 all power to you love that like women and people should be able to wear whatever they want you
00:28:55.000 know like I'll support that idea um but yeah it is it's it's so it's so weird and like gross and
00:29:02.760 it the the at the end of the day it's about being able to control women's bodies it's not about
00:29:09.280 what's empowering to them or what's dignifying to them it's about you being able to say what
00:29:13.400 they're wearing. Exactly. It is about taking away control and agency. Like if you want to dress
00:29:20.720 modestly or not dress modestly, the point is it should be up to you, not a bunch of chuds on 0.97
00:29:27.100 4chan who are using AI to strip you of that choice. And I think it's telling that they're 1.00
00:29:32.180 not just putting clothes on them. They're removing their tattoos and piercings and changing their
00:29:36.820 hair color. So obviously this is not just about how they choose to dress. It is how they choose
00:29:42.180 to present themselves physically.
00:29:44.000 Right-wing online provocateur Ian Miles-Chiong wrote,
00:29:47.920 when given pictures of thirst traps,
00:29:49.700 AI imagines what could have been
00:29:51.360 if they had been raised by strong fathers.
00:29:54.100 Yuck.
00:29:54.380 Wait, yeah. 1.00
00:29:57.340 I'll tell you that those dresses are probably super ugly. 1.00
00:30:01.140 Let's be real. 1.00
00:30:02.160 Yes!
00:30:02.220 The fact that I'm photographing,
00:30:03.560 they probably put them in the ugliest outfits
00:30:05.720 where it's like nobody would wear this to begin with.
00:30:08.000 Yeah, that's so weird.
00:30:09.540 So NBC talked to Isla David, a sex worker and sex educator, who is one of the women who somebody used AI to make her appear more modest.
00:30:19.240 And she really nails the way this conversation is really not about sex.
00:30:23.760 It is about using technology to humiliate and shame women. 0.95
00:30:26.800 She said, it does not matter whether you're a woman like Taylor Swift, who is denying access to her nude body or someone like me who is offering access to my nude body.
00:30:35.180 It is a tool to ensure that women never retain sole autonomy over our body and images online.
00:30:41.140 She also goes further to say that she thinks that these images really fit into the current
00:30:45.180 trad wife social media trend and that these guys are using AI to turn her into this kind
00:30:51.340 of fantasy, modest woman who is a traditional wife who dresses modestly and has kids around
00:30:57.640 her. 0.88
00:30:58.000 But that's not who she is. 0.88
00:30:59.680 And they're using technology to sort of be like, oh, well, this is what she would look 0.87
00:31:03.220 like if she had made better choices. NBC spoke to Mike Stable, the director of public affairs
00:31:08.940 for the Free Speech Coalition, which is an organization that lobbies on behalf of the
00:31:12.400 adult industry, who said, this is about controlling representations of women in society.
00:31:17.540 It's that ultimately women cannot be trusted to make their own decisions about whether to take 1.00
00:31:21.340 off their clothes, get tattoos or put on clothes. It's infantilization. And ultimately, these men, 1.00
00:31:26.440 by and large, are going to make the decision. If you don't want to do it, at least in their world,
00:31:30.620 They're going to change that. And I do think that this is sort of grounded in this attitude that women are not capable of or do not deserve control over our bodies and the decisions that we make for ourselves. 0.71
00:31:44.160 And so, you know, all of that is to say, we have been talking a lot about deepfakes and AI and the intersections of identity. But ultimately, AI and deepfakes is a tool. What this is really about is this pervasive attitude that marginalized people, we don't deserve to control our own choices and our own bodies, and the way that this technology is being used to further that attitude. 0.80
00:32:09.600 yeah absolutely it is it's it's so like weird and gross I don't know I'm so stuck at it there's
00:32:16.780 something so particularly I hate I hate that he that late earlier you mentioned that one of them
00:32:23.180 like in this 4chan thread said something about like oh people are more mad about you removing
00:32:27.760 the tattoos and making them more modest than they are about leaking their nudes but in a weird way
00:32:32.520 it almost is kind of like it's not gross or obviously like leaking or like fake nudes or
00:32:37.180 like that's terrible that's gross but it's like it's so weird to be putting to yeah like to be
00:32:42.940 not just like hyper sexualizing somebody but putting them into this mold of who you think
00:32:48.840 they should be based on like gendered expectations and like yeah there is this weird like we're in
00:32:55.760 such a weird moment right now too which I was just on Stuff Mom Never Told You talking about 0.80
00:33:01.840 some of the sort of like trends on TikTok right now around girlhood and like womanhood but we're
00:33:06.660 in such a weird point where there has been a really really strong like kind of resurgence
00:33:12.220 to like in resurgence of like pressure to to go into these very gendered very highly gendered
00:33:19.040 molds and very you know particularly for women like there's this this this return of like the 1.00
00:33:24.860 trad wife is kind of it's you know everybody obviously like kind of knows the trad wife is
00:33:30.400 like the most extreme but there's been all these weird sort of pressures for women to like
00:33:34.060 become more feminine and and present more feminine and it just this just feels like another
00:33:39.640 manifestation of that that's so weird and creepy and demeaning and
00:33:44.380 not not great for like the future to come I guess yeah and if if you there is nothing wrong with
00:33:54.080 being a girly girl I don't necessarily consider myself a girly girl but like if that's what you
00:33:58.740 want to do you should do that and that's I like yes however I do think that you're right there
00:34:04.860 is something I think that we're experiencing something that's like if you are like obviously
00:34:09.920 it's better if you don't have tattoos have your natural hair color are modestly dressed have kids
00:34:15.300 around you and even if that's even if that's not the choice that you have made for yourself in your
00:34:19.700 life someone out there is going to use technology to give the world a window into what it would
00:34:26.000 look like if you had made this choice that we all know was better you know and i do think there's
00:34:30.740 like we're just i don't know i i can't wait to listen to your episode on stuff mom never told
00:34:34.920 you um because there is i do think there's something going on with feminine like hyper
00:34:42.620 feminine accessories and bows and like i don't know something i think we're in an interesting
00:34:47.640 moment and i i can't wait to hear your takes on stuff mom never told you thank you i have been
00:34:52.800 there is a point in the episode where i try to explain what coquette is to i really badly try to
00:34:57.160 explain what coquette is to samantha but i definitely kind of go back on to a whole episode
00:35:00.840 about coquette because it's the same like all if that is what like the kind of aesthetics and like
00:35:05.220 fashion you're into love that for you like a lot of that stuff is really cool and really cute
00:35:09.260 that being said whatever it's a like pressure to put this on to other people i am not a feminine
00:35:16.120 person at all that is just not a way that i'm comfortable presenting if somebody were to take
00:35:20.420 a photo of me and like photoshop my hair longer and like a dress up like that's gross that is so
00:35:27.020 weird and gross and yeah it's just everything is weird there's gender is weird gender is weird
00:35:33.220 i think we should just not police each other's genders that would be really nice
00:35:37.620 yeah yeah and certainly not policing it via ai deep fakes of strangers because that's just
00:35:45.400 weird let's let's not do it stop doing that it's gross it's weird it's not the like
00:35:50.420 epic troll you think it is it just makes you look really weird so if you're like yeah 0.58
00:35:55.320 not that anybody who does that is listening this is like the male version of like oh my god like 0.60
00:35:59.960 i could save her i could fix her i can remove her tattoos using ai
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00:38:12.700 Okay, speaking of creepy, gross, guys, and technology,
00:38:18.200 is there something you want to ask me, Joey?
00:38:21.260 Yeah, Bridget.
00:38:22.940 What has Elon done now?
00:38:25.560 Well, Elon is doing a couple things.
00:38:28.020 First, he is funding actor Gina Carano from The Mandalorian.
00:38:33.080 He is funding her lawsuit.
00:38:34.780 So remember way back when, when Elon Musk was like,
00:38:37.420 Anybody who faces repercussions for things they say on Twitter, I will pay for their legal defense.
00:38:45.520 There is no limit.
00:38:47.180 I got to eat crow on this one because people who listen to this show regularly know that whenever there is a financial promise being made from Elon Musk, I'm always like, he's not going to do it.
00:38:57.600 Don't take that deal.
00:38:58.320 He's not going to do it.
00:38:58.960 But apparently, he is making good on that promise because he is funding Gina's lawsuit against Disney from after she was fired from The Mandalorian.
00:39:08.380 But he's doing it for this.
00:39:11.280 Does this mean he's going to do it for every single lawsuit?
00:39:13.600 I don't know.
00:39:14.140 I still think you have some truth there.
00:39:17.900 I mean.
00:39:18.760 Maybe not the most.
00:39:19.780 There are, yeah, I mean, there are plenty of people who have been, who have been, like, let go from their jobs for speaking up for Palestine or, like, I would be curious to know where this begins and ends with Elon Musk.
00:39:33.780 Like you, Joey, I suspect that he might do it this one time and then make a big show of this if he pays.
00:39:42.720 Lawsuits are expensive.
00:39:43.580 They involve lots of recurring bills.
00:39:45.160 So, I mean, basically I'm saying, like, it wouldn't surprise me if he's like, I'll pay one bill, but I'm not paying all the bills.
00:39:51.300 We will see.
00:39:52.180 However, I bet that this will not be a recurring thing, that he will not take up the cause of anybody who faces repercussions for what they post on Twitter.
00:40:01.740 So, did you watch The Mandalorian at all?
00:40:04.280 I did.
00:40:06.660 I have not watched the most recent season because I heard it wasn't very good, but I watched the first two.
00:40:12.760 Yeah, this whole thing was weird.
00:40:15.160 So basically, she was let go from The Mandalorian after tweeting some, like, conspiracy theory kind of vibes.
00:40:23.140 So what did she tweet exactly?
00:40:24.680 I would say it's kind of your garden variety takes.
00:40:27.740 Like, she tweeted, Jeff Epstein didn't kill himself, of course.
00:40:30.800 Also, remember, this was in 2020.
00:40:33.840 It's just the vibes were, like, very – people had a lot – there was a lot going on in 2020.
00:40:39.800 I guess I'll just say that.
00:40:40.600 And so this was back when –
00:40:42.140 Really? What?
00:40:42.960 Yeah, I don't know if you remember.
00:40:45.160 I mean, I joke, but I literally had to like, going back to that mentally, I was like, oh, yeah, that did happen. Oh, yeah, that did happen. Like, in a lot of ways, I feel like I've blocked a lot of that out. And so, yes.
00:40:58.640 And so this was back when like people were acting like being asked to wear a mask was the biggest civil rights violation of our time.
00:41:07.200 And so I think she had a tweet where I guess she was comparing like people who didn't want to wear masks to Jewish people during the Holocaust.
00:41:14.580 She tweeted, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews.
00:41:24.480 How is it any different from hating someone for their political views?
00:41:27.520 So that was a tweet. This one I think is pretty funny. She tweeted a picture of two men wearing masks over their eyes with the caption, Democratic government leaders now recommend we all wear blindfolds along with masks so we can't see what's really going on.
00:41:45.880 i gotta say when i was like 18 i might i might i might have snuck a retweet on that one like that
00:41:52.340 that would have spoken to young me like yeah they don't want us to see the truth they want us in
00:41:57.140 blindfolds and then i would draw an anarchy symbol on my notebook oh my god
00:42:02.840 do you know what i mean there's something very like that's the the most the i've met one of many
00:42:10.840 annoying horrible things about this is like sometimes these like weirdo right-wing people 0.98
00:42:15.160 will say stuff that it's like oh that was kind of funny like goddamn like you're crazy but that's 0.92
00:42:22.440 all right i completely agree like oh i'll say oh this is like y'all know i have my problematic 0.89
00:42:30.180 faves whoever was the first person to come up with shillery kilton and then the s is a dollar sign
00:42:37.520 i'm gonna give it to you on that one i was like that one that's it's it's not like i
00:42:43.160 like no but like i it was clever i see what you did there like sometimes they sometimes they come
00:42:49.920 up with these turns of phrases and some are better than others because i remember in 2008 it was
00:42:56.220 oh bummer and i was like oh that one you could have like workshopped that one a little better
00:43:00.260 like that didn't have the yeah like thanks obama that was a good one like yeah just respond with
00:43:07.560 like, thanks, Obama. Thanks, Obama. Yeah, sometimes, you know, when you're right,
00:43:13.160 that doesn't hit. Yeah, that one didn't hit. I'm gonna give that a two out of 10 on that one.
00:43:20.640 So she was really not into the time in 2020 when there was restrictions on people gathering.
00:43:25.620 She tweeted, open up your businesses and churches because people are dropping like flies from
00:43:29.680 depression and suicide, overdoses, murder, all caps. Her tweets about the 2020 election are
00:43:36.000 very interesting to me. She tweeted, we need to clean up the election process so that we're not
00:43:40.600 left feeling the way we do today. Put laws in place that protect us against voter fraud. 0.99
00:43:45.060 Investigate every state. Film the counting. Flush out fake votes. Require ID. Make voter fraud end
00:43:51.460 in 2020. Fix the system. So that might all sound reasonable on the surface, but we saw so much of
00:44:00.280 that sentiment after the election because like you had people like Ivanka Trump being like, oh,
00:44:05.220 count every legal vote, which again, sounds reasonable, but it gives the impression
00:44:10.040 as if there is widespread voter fraud and voting irregularities, which just is not happening. It's
00:44:15.720 never happened. It's not a thing. But when you say like, I just think we should count every legal
00:44:20.240 vote. I just think that we should make sure that, you know, we're not counting fake votes.
00:44:25.380 It really, it's like a tricky way of sowing distrust in our voting process because that's
00:44:33.320 like not, there aren't widespread voting irregularities. And so when you adopt this
00:44:37.480 language that makes it seem like there are, it's a very sly way of just kind of like chipping away
00:44:43.940 at people's confidence in our democratic process. So this last one is also really interesting to
00:44:49.700 me. She tweeted, I'm not against trans lives at all. They need to find less abusive representation.
00:44:54.820 And so when she tweeted that, there was some back and forth on Twitter where basically it
00:44:59.060 seemed like what she was saying was like i don't have a problem with trans people no no no i'm not
00:45:03.840 i'm not a transphobe i just think their spokespeople are very mean like that seemed to be
00:45:08.220 like what she was trying to get at wait see these we're finally addressing the real problems in this 0.99
00:45:14.720 episode it's the mean trans people and the mean lesbians that are kicking the straight people out 0.97
00:45:19.240 of lesbian bars and star wars very mean very rude did not care for your tone yeah i remember like 0.97
00:45:28.500 all of this going down because yeah i think like at the time the mandalorian was still like a really
00:45:32.740 big show and i remember all this going down and it was like one thing after another it was like
00:45:38.620 like come on like you're also like you're so i don't know yeah yeah it was it was like what are 0.55
00:45:46.060 the most despicable but also just like stupid takes i can take yeah so i actually think that
00:45:52.000 that's exactly what happened here like i have no inside information from disney or lucas films or 0.95
00:45:57.840 whatever but i bet that when you are a very much a supporting actor in a piece i bet that they were
00:46:06.100 just like this is not worth the headache after a while like thing after thing after thing after
00:46:10.140 thing i can imagine they're just like we gotta get rid of this person because they are just like
00:46:16.160 going rogue on twitter and we can't have it like i could see if it was just one or two tweets but
00:46:22.440 Like, I can understand why this was not something Disney was thrilled about getting brought into or mired into and was just like, oh, it's easier just to just to not recast her.
00:46:31.820 So according to The Hollywood Reporter, the complaint that she filed in a California federal court alleges that she was fired for voicing right wing opinions on social media and seeks a court order that would force Lucasfilms to recast her in The Mandalorian.
00:46:45.120 According to the complaint, Disney and Lucasfilms harassed and defamed her for refusing to conform with their viewpoints on issues relating to Black Lives Matter, pronouns, and disproven claims of election interference.
00:46:57.940 While she was allegedly fired for her cultural and religious beliefs, she argues that the entertainment giant turned a blind eye to her male co-stars, who allegedly made offensive comments directed toward Republicans.
00:47:08.560 She points to Pedro Pascal's 2017 post comparing Donald Trump to Hitler.
00:47:13.660 So when she says that she has a gender discrimination complaint, she's saying that, like, oh, they did this because I was a woman.
00:47:19.820 Pedro Pascal can compare Trump to Hitler.
00:47:22.600 But I can't, like, say my conspiracy theories without being fired.
00:47:29.400 I will say the suit does kind of make it seem like Disney gave her a few outs.
00:47:34.440 The suit says that Disney required her to meet with a representative from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance against discrimination and demanded a public apology.
00:47:41.220 She refused, and after she refused, she was told to meet with Lucasfilm's president, Kathleen Kennedy, and 45 employees who identify as LGBTQ+, according to the suit.
00:47:51.580 She declined and was terminated shortly thereafter from The Mandalorian, as well as other titles in the Star Wars universe, including Rangers of the New Republic.
00:47:59.480 So it kind of sounds like that tweet that she made about trans people needing better representation or whatever, it sounds like maybe that was like a real sticking point with Disney because they were like, oh, you need to meet with GLAAD, you need to meet with LGBTQ folks.
00:48:14.180 And she declined.
00:48:15.540 And she says that because Disney terminated her, that was the impetus for UTA and her lawyer both dropping her as a client.
00:48:23.180 which to me is just kind of it does kind of seem like you know if you tweet some spicy takes and
00:48:28.920 then your lawyer and your agent are like we don't want to be associated with this that's not i'm not
00:48:34.920 i'm not a lawyer but i don't see how that disney's fault you're the one who said it like i don't kind
00:48:39.020 of get it right yeah it's also it's weird that she's the argument she's making is it's her
00:48:45.180 culture she was fired for her cultural and religious beliefs like yeah i i guess that's
00:48:51.040 the whole thing is like weird right-wing christian like people are saying that like homophobia and
00:48:57.100 transphobia is whatever it's part of their religious beliefs but it's like what like
00:49:00.200 being i don't know that's such it just feels like that feels like such a stretch of cultural and
00:49:05.460 religious beliefs um especially if you're saying the like cultural and religion like the equivalent
00:49:11.040 of that is like pedro pascal making fun of donald trump like i don't know that's such a stretch i
00:49:16.460 also cannot emphasize this like enough she played like a tiny role as like a space cop in star wars
00:49:26.180 and this was also around the time when like the mandalorian was doing really good so they announced
00:49:31.640 like a ton of new tv shows half of which have already been canceled so it's like i don't know
00:49:37.240 like it feels like one of those things where it's like i don't necessarily think her career was like
00:49:42.580 headed in a really like you know prestigious direction if it weren't for all of it like it
00:49:49.600 is like kind of i don't know it is this it feels like this is a really convenient opportunity for
00:49:54.600 her to stay relevant is uh i guess maybe where i'm going with this but yeah this whole thing is
00:50:01.180 so weird joey are you suggesting this is a stunt what absolutely not what's this she's like besties
00:50:11.140 with ben shapiro too what i know who would have thought it's bad so twitter can't figure out how
00:50:17.600 to keep deep fakes off their platform but they've got time for this um and in case you're curious
00:50:22.380 what else elon musk has been up to you so ironically while he's been funding gina carano's
00:50:27.820 sexual harassment suit against disney elon musk himself is simultaneously being hit with yet
00:50:33.180 another sexual harassment lawsuit let's talk about it so i know i'm so surprised who could
00:50:39.480 have ever seen it coming it might shock y'all to know this but elon musk's company spacex
00:50:45.440 has a frat boy atmosphere filled with crude sexual jokes and gender base harassment this
00:50:52.180 is according to a new lawsuit filed by a group of former employees in a civil rights complaint
00:50:57.180 so we all like if you follow elon musk on twitter or like i've ever seen his tweets retweeted into
00:51:01.680 your timeline you probably already know that he loves to make bad like sex jokes bad jokes about 0.90
00:51:07.060 women. And former employees say that they were illegally retaliated against by being fired for
00:51:13.060 calling him out on it. According to a report in the new complaint to the California Civil Rights
00:51:18.300 Department and in interviews, the seven former employees say that SpaceX executives routinely
00:51:23.520 dismiss their concerns or harass them by excluding them from meetings, promoting colleagues above them
00:51:28.760 and joking about a sexual harassment accusation against Musk. So folks might remember that Elon
00:51:34.060 Musk was accused of sexually harassing a flight attendant on one of his flights. And it sounds
00:51:40.720 like an HR person at SpaceX was laughing and joking about that and being like, oh, I've never
00:51:46.700 had a problem with that. I guess I'm not hot enough. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So Paige Holland
00:51:51.840 Thielen, one of the complainants says, I was left out of so many meetings that I was supposed to be
00:51:56.540 in. I was left out of so many decisions that were mine to make. I was forgotten on projects. I was
00:52:01.140 forgotten in planning. She says that in 2018, she was hired at SpaceX as a basic level engineer
00:52:06.120 below her male colleagues, given seniority, despite a similar level of qualifications and
00:52:10.740 experience. Bringing things to light is the first step of actually making them better, she said.
00:52:15.840 And she says that when she complained about this to her higher ups at SpaceX, they said that she
00:52:19.920 was being too emotional and that when she complained that a male colleague was taking
00:52:23.780 credit for her work, they told her that she should be more humble. Another thing that's
00:52:28.060 interesting here is that she alleges that the jokes, like the gendered sexual jokes that Elon
00:52:33.820 Musk would make, basically took center stage at SpaceX. She says, basically anything that would
00:52:39.680 make a freshman frat initiate laugh was fair game in large parts of the company. And so, yeah,
00:52:45.560 the fact that one of the things that senior employees were joking about were Elon's stupid 0.99
00:52:51.780 jokes and antics just shows that like this is a top-down problem like the problem the rot starts 0.98
00:52:58.340 at the top if you can't even talk about the comments that your boss boss tippy top boss is
00:53:03.520 making without getting slapped with a gender harassment lawsuit the problem starts at the top
00:53:08.200 yeah that's interesting because i always wondered like all of this weird like elon musk obviously
00:53:15.600 has like a terrible sense of humor like you can tell from his tweets that he has a horrible sense
00:53:19.880 of humor like do the people around him like also feel like that like do they encourage that or like
00:53:24.760 I don't know it's always like it feels like it would suck to be in a meeting with this dude but
00:53:27.960 yeah I guess that makes sense that they all are probably in the same like brain mindset you know
00:53:34.420 um that is that's yeah like not surprising uh unfortunately but also like so gross to have to
00:53:42.260 navigate. Elon once joked that he was going to start a new educational facility called the Texas
00:53:47.980 institute of technology and science comma t-i-t-s or tits so that's the whole joke is that it spells 0.98
00:53:56.240 out tits you got it that's not even like it is like i think calling that like freshman frat 0.99
00:54:04.440 jokes is like that's that's even too low for that like i don't come on yeah this is so this is a 0.99
00:54:13.100 grown man he has children he is a grown man a father of lots of kids and he is still 0.67
00:54:20.060 thinks it's thinks the word tits is hilarious thinks spelling out the word it's like it's like
00:54:25.280 it reminds me of when i was teaching like second graders and they would all find the dictionary 0.65
00:54:31.300 and look up the word sex and just thought it was so funny it is like it is like calling yeah
00:54:35.900 freshman frat is like way too generous for the level that this this kind of humor is i had like 0.87
00:54:41.580 a college radio show that i worked on that the acronym for it ended up being tits but it was
00:54:47.560 like like we all thought it was fun we were like we like our group chat for each other like it was
00:54:51.640 all like but that was it like that was the farthest the joke went because you know haha 0.84
00:54:56.400 it it says tits that's funny but like i i don't know that's not i just it's what a weird what a 0.84
00:55:06.140 weird dude i think i would be so it would be so infuriating working at one of these companies 0.78
00:55:12.120 obviously because of the terrible environment but also can you imagine like having that be like
00:55:17.160 this now like being the funniest person in the office but like nobody else acknowledging it
00:55:21.400 because this is the type of humor that they have like it's that would drive me insane
00:55:26.000 so this is something i have always thought about elon musk is that he has billions of dollars he's
00:55:33.320 politically connected. He has anything that he could want, he could have, except he really wants
00:55:38.560 people to think he is funny. I think that is one of the reasons why he bought Twitter,
00:55:43.600 why he has, you know, tweaked the algorithm so that his tweets get more views and more engagement.
00:55:50.600 I think that he desperately needs to be thought of as funny and charming. He desperately wants
00:55:56.640 people to like him. And it doesn't matter if you're a billionaire or a trillionaire, you can't
00:56:01.120 buy that. I'm sure that in your little bubble that is your boardroom or whatever, you can force
00:56:08.220 people to laugh at your tits jokes. But if you're not funny in real life, you can't force people to 0.98
00:56:13.820 think that you're funny. And I think that's really something that's important to him.
00:56:16.940 And from all the research I've done on Elon Musk, he is somebody who loves to surround himself with
00:56:24.320 sycophants. I could imagine having to be a sycophant and be a yes person to my boss's
00:56:30.340 terrible ideas having to fake laugh at jokes that are not funny i would have to draw the line i can't
00:56:36.880 even imagine oh bridget i'm sorry this is where i've got to tell you that uh you've all of the
00:56:42.960 laughs have been fake joey now now i could never i just this is it's so annoying he's such a like
00:56:58.200 clown of a man but I it's it's so like it's such a sad it's so sad it is so sad this man just wants
00:57:05.920 to be seen as funny and charming so bad that like he's taking the entire world to get to that and 0.95
00:57:14.000 still not I don't know that's some weird weird stuff I will quote one of my favorite New York
00:57:21.940 based poets, Countess Luanne de Lesseps. Money can't buy a class.
00:57:29.380 Joey, thank you for always having so much class and talking to these news stories with me. You
00:57:35.140 were talking about the episode that you did on the podcast, Stuff I Never Told You, about
00:57:39.460 girlhood and TikTok. It sounded fascinating. How can folks listen?
00:57:44.420 Of course. You can check out that episode. It's called TikTok's Crisis of Femininity.
00:57:50.440 uh it would have come out february 7th uh we can put it in the notes if people are interested in
00:57:57.480 but it is just kind of overall about all of the weird conversations it was basically what started
00:58:03.560 as me trying to write an episode about girl dinner and girl math and all those things and
00:58:07.660 then spiraled into me talking about all of the weird conversations about girlhood that are
00:58:11.380 happening on tiktok and uh we go from trad wives to all the different aesthetic trends and you know
00:58:18.860 lots of fun stuff girl dinner girl hobbies uh girl math math you know do you get it trying to
00:58:27.420 take a critical look do you get into like because the aesthetics it's something that i it it changes
00:58:34.640 so quickly and it's like i thought we were doing we're supposed to be doing clean girl and now
00:58:39.620 we're doing mob wife like i can't who can keep up yeah well it's it's crazy because that's the
00:58:45.800 whole thing about it is it goes so quick it changes so quick I talk about in the episode
00:58:51.820 which Bridget I'm sure you could resonate with this it's what it's interesting because the whole
00:58:55.860 like idea of having an aesthetic and like an online aesthetic like is something that has always
00:59:00.900 been a big part of online culture and like was a really big part of like Tumblr and all that and
00:59:05.260 it's been interesting with TikTok it's really just become like instead of being about personal style
00:59:11.120 it's turned into like the latest fast fashion trend and how some of those trends have been
00:59:18.860 really really you know staked in this idea of girlhood and womanhood and femininity and
00:59:25.260 there's some sort of strange messages about consumerism and all that there that I get into
00:59:32.060 in the episode if you're interested in hearing more about that and just kind of trying to take
00:59:40.320 a critical look at some of the messages around femininity and girlhood that are you know circulating
00:59:47.400 on tiktok right now and uh how a lot of that ties into consumerism and uh some sort of more
00:59:53.700 concerning trends on a political level we're seeing with like the gender binary being very
00:59:58.800 strictly uh enforced and all of that so you know fun fun light stuff uh but yeah check that check
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