There Are No Girls on the Internet - January 30, 2024


Taylor Swift Twitter deep fakes are everyone’s problem

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Taylor Swift AI deepfakes flood Twitter; Libs of TikTok gets leadership position in Oklahoma schools; AI steals from Indigenous artists in Australia – NEWS ROUNDUP TikTok mutes the music in dispute with artists; Drag Race performer wins libel suit; Zuckerberg bullied into apology at Senate hearing; Australian news photoshops lawmaker – NEWS ROUNDUP

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00:01:19.620 so i wanted to do a little bit of a deeper dive update on a story that we talked about in last
00:01:27.640 week's news roundup those awful ai faked images of taylor swift that were flooding social media
00:01:33.980 last week and just generally get into some of the discourse happening around taylor swift online
00:01:38.620 because i think it's really telling so we've talked about it on the show before but deep fakes are
00:01:43.960 non-consensual AI-generated sexually explicit images, and they are a growing problem.
00:01:50.640 According to research from independent analyst Genevieve Oh, the number of new pornographic
00:01:55.680 deepfake videos has already surged more than ninefold since 2020. At the end of last year,
00:02:01.420 the top 10 sites offering this AI-generated deepfake content hosted more than 114,000 videos,
00:02:08.160 And Taylor Swift has always been a common target.
00:02:11.960 In fact, on one of these AI platforms, she was the first celebrity targeted for deep-faked AI images.
00:02:18.480 And the reality is, this is a gender justice issue.
00:02:22.100 It's an issue that impacts women.
00:02:23.940 According to a study from Deep Trace Labs, 96% of deep fakes are non-consensual sexual depictions of women.
00:02:31.640 So we're calling these images deep fakes, which is not wrong,
00:02:34.620 but one technical thing that is important to understand about them,
00:02:38.160 is that we used to use the term deepfakes to describe content where someone's head or was put on another person's body
00:02:45.560 to give the impression that that person is nude or doing something sexually explicit.
00:02:50.200 These Taylor Swift deepfakes are different in that they were created out of whole cloth using commercial AI tools.
00:02:57.860 The images originated on the alternative messaging platform Telegram, then made their way to 4chan.
00:03:03.440 This Telegram group was actually kind of a marketplace for celebrity deepfakes,
00:03:07.660 where users were requesting and trading deepfake images of specific celebrities since last year.
00:03:13.780 Now, most commercial AI image generators do have some safeguards in place that are meant to prevent
00:03:19.800 abuse. So if you ask AI to generate an image that depicts a sexualized image of a child,
00:03:25.580 for instance, it is not supposed to do that. But people are able to circumvent the moderation to
00:03:30.940 generate non-consensual deepfake images, like the ones we saw of Taylor Swift, pretty easily.
00:03:35.780 I have to give a major shout out to 404 Media right here because they did a great job of digging and found that those images of Taylor Swift were likely made on Microsoft's AI creation tool called Designer.
00:03:49.180 So Designer does have some safeguards in place to prevent the platform from being used to create this kind of content of celebrities.
00:03:56.140 However, 404 Media ran a couple of tests and found that designer will not generate an image if you just put Jennifer Aniston.
00:04:03.000 But they were able to generate suggestive images of Jennifer Aniston if you use the phrase Jennifer Actor Aniston.
00:04:09.720 So just put actor in between Jennifer and Aniston and boom, non-consensual deepfakes.
00:04:15.200 So prior to these deepfake images of Taylor Swift going viral on Twitter, a user in that Telegram group recommended that members who were trying to make sexually explicit images of Taylor Swift
00:04:25.300 You use the phrase Taylor Singer Swift instead of just Taylor Swift to generate those images.
00:04:31.360 Basically, anyone can get around these guardrails pretty easily.
00:04:35.280 They're full of loopholes.
00:04:36.800 And to get deep fakes of celebrities engaging in what looks like sex acts, all people needed to do was describe activities that kind of look like sex acts without using sexually explicit terms.
00:04:47.480 Now, none of this is terribly surprising.
00:04:50.260 It's the kind of thing that people have been warning is really easy to do with AI for a long time.
00:04:55.340 I cannot stress how much 404 Media stayed on Microsoft's neck on this story.
00:05:01.420 At first, Microsoft was kind of trying to weasel out of this and deny that their platform was being used to create these images and that their platform is where these Taylor Swift images originated.
00:05:11.760 They initially said, we are investigating these reports and are taking appropriate action to address them.
00:05:16.360 Our code of conduct prohibits the use of our tools for the creation of adult or non-consensual intimate content, and any repeated attempts to produce content that goes against our policies may result in a loss of access to the service.
00:05:28.140 We have large teams working on the development of guardrails and other safety systems in line with our responsible AI principles, including content filtering, operational monitoring, and abuse detection to mitigate misuse of systems and help create a safer environment for users.
00:05:41.200 So after that, Microsoft said they did an investigation, but they were unable to confirm the images were made using their tool.
00:05:48.100 But after 404's reporting, Microsoft did close loopholes that would have allowed for these images to be created.
00:05:55.580 404 Media was able to verify that those loopholes did work to create these kinds of images on Thursday before Microsoft made its changes.
00:06:03.620 And that those loopholes stopped working after 404 Media published an article on it.
00:06:08.140 So it just really does seem like Microsoft was the culprit.
00:06:11.900 And it's a really important reminder of the importance of good journalism to keep people accountable for the harms that their technology causes.
00:06:18.300 Because it would have been really easy for Microsoft to just keep denying that they were responsible for these images and just quietly close that loophole that allowed for images like the ones of Taylor Swift to be made on their platform.
00:06:30.280 After this change, users on Telegram were complaining that it seemed like the loophole had been fixed that allowed for them to make these celebrity deepfakes.
00:06:38.900 But unfortunately, that Telegram group where people were requesting and trading non-consensual deepfake images of celebrities is still active because Telegram does not really remove people who use their platform to do this kind of thing.
00:06:52.040 And people on that platform are already talking about what AI tools they're going to use to continue creating non-consensual deepfake porn of celebrities in the future, since Microsoft closed the loophole that allowed them to use their platform.
00:07:06.340 So they're just going to keep doing this, and it is shockingly easy for them to keep doing.
00:07:10.980 So these Taylor Swift images had been on Telegram and 4chan for a while, but one specific user who subscribes to Twitter Blue, so has a verified checkmark and likely has their content algorithmically boosted on Twitter, brought them over to Twitter.
00:07:24.820 It took Twitter 17 hours to suspend that user and delete that user's posts with the Taylor Swift images.
00:07:32.500 However, because of the way the internet works, those images were still all over Twitter.
00:07:38.820 Like just suspending that one user does not mean all those images are going to go away too.
00:07:43.500 So the way that Twitter handled this whole thing, I think is just abysmal and also really telling.
00:07:48.860 First, I guess because those images were really all over Twitter,
00:07:52.620 they just tried to fix it by blocking people from being able to search Taylor Swift temporarily.
00:07:58.360 Joe Benarach, head of business operations at Twitter, said,
00:08:01.540 this is a temporary action and done with an abundance of caution as we prioritize safety on this issue.
00:08:06.640 But because it's Twitter, this was actually super easily circumvented.
00:08:11.620 Attempts to search for Taylor Swift's name without quotation marks on Twitter on Monday
00:08:16.060 resulted in an error message
00:08:17.680 prompting for users to retry their search,
00:08:19.860 which added, don't fret, it's not your fault.
00:08:22.000 However, to get around this,
00:08:23.380 all you would have to do
00:08:24.380 is put quotation marks around her name
00:08:26.360 and then you could search her name like normal.
00:08:28.700 So even though this was not a very effective way
00:08:31.760 to deal with the issue,
00:08:33.100 I would still be taking issue with it
00:08:34.960 had they been able to successfully block
00:08:37.100 Taylor Swift from search on Twitter.
00:08:39.040 Because why should the target
00:08:40.760 of this kind of sexual exploitation
00:08:42.940 have to have their name blocked on social media search?
00:08:46.060 Like, what if this happened to somebody who is not famous?
00:08:49.240 You know, I'm thinking of content creators and journalists, people who need to be able to show up on those platforms for their careers.
00:08:56.220 It's basically like saying that when you are targeted for this kind of thing, the only way to keep you safe in these online spaces is to obscure your presence there.
00:09:04.800 Which I take issue with because participation in online platforms is increasingly linked to how people just show up in 2024, socially, politically, and civically.
00:09:13.700 So if the response to this is to make targeted people, most of whom are women, show up less in those spaces, it means that they will be even more marginalized online, a space where women are already marginalized.
00:09:26.100 It just feels like the fix is to further obscure and silence women's voices in a space where we are already obscured and silenced.
00:09:33.520 And I don't think it's equitable.
00:09:35.160 And I don't think that part of the solution of how we deal with this is to make us even more invisible on online spaces.
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00:11:44.780 Elon Musk said that Twitter was going to hire 100 full-time staffers to do content moderation to combat sexually abusive material on Twitter.
00:11:53.000 He said that he would be building a trust and safety center in Austin, Texas, and hire in-house agents who will be tasked with enforcing the site's content and safety rules.
00:12:02.580 So I don't even have time to get into how annoying this is to me, because basically the very same teams that Elon fired right after he took over at Twitter in 2022, he's being like, oh, whoops, actually, we needed those teams.
00:12:16.120 Those teams actually did something important.
00:12:17.740 So Twitter released this whole thing this week about how they were taking really seriously sexually exploitative content, particularly content that involved children.
00:12:25.140 And you might remember that for whatever reason a while back, Elon Musk made combating child sexual abuse material like his thing, like he started talking about it and grandstanding about how much work he did to fight it.
00:12:35.880 However, Wired reported that back in 2022, when he took over at Twitter, even though he said that removing child exploitation was his, quote, number one priority, after all the firings and resignations, just one sole staff member remained on a key team dedicated to removing child sexual abuse content from Twitter.
00:12:55.140 And remember, he also reinstated the account of a right-wing provocateur who posted child exploitation material on Twitter, and they explained that decision to reinstate his account by saying, well, if abusive sexual child content is posted on Twitter to express outrage, then it's okay.
00:13:13.220 Basically what I'm saying is that what Elon Musk says he cares about doing and what he actually does in practice are two different things.
00:13:20.220 You know, it was his choice to gut the trust and safety team and content moderation teams when he took over at Twitter.
00:13:25.900 So now in classic Elon form, he's backtracking on that great big mistake.
00:13:31.460 This is actually a pattern for Elon Musk.
00:13:33.080 It's like he comes in, gets rid of everything that people know that you need to make a platform work, realizes, oh, crap, turns out there was a reason for having that and we actually need it, reinstates it, and then I guess just like stands back and calls that innovation.
00:13:46.420 When he first took over at Twitter, he immediately let people who had been previously spended for abusive content or hate speech back on the platform.
00:13:55.040 People like Kanye West, who Elon Musk then had to resuspend after Kanye West tweeted out a swastika.
00:14:02.180 So this is just what Elon Musk does.
00:14:04.180 I just can't believe he would announce creating content moderation teams and trust and safety teams like it's some new innovation that he has come up with, as opposed to something that was already in place at Twitter that he got rid of and now is reinstating.
00:14:20.000 And it's funny because I was talking to producer Mike about this, and he made a very good point, which is that all of this assumes that Elon will actually follow his word and do the thing that he says he's going to do.
00:14:29.800 So will he actually create this content moderation team? Will he actually create a trust and safety team? Who knows? Because Elon has such a poor track record of actually doing the things he promises to do.
00:14:42.800 So there's been this huge reaction about these Taylor Swift deepfakes, and rightly so, but they are not the first time this has happened.
00:14:49.920 We've covered how this kind of thing is happening at schools across the country in places like New Jersey and Colorado,
00:14:55.120 and how they've been dealing with groups of male students essentially creating AI deepfake extortion rings of the girls in their school,
00:15:02.760 where the boys in the school are invited to pay to see deepfakes nude images of their classmates,
00:15:08.080 And the girls are basically forced into being extorted to pay money to avoid their images being circulated.
00:15:15.420 In New Jersey, high school student Francesca Mani, a teenage victim of non-consensual sexually explicit deepfakes, joined Representative Jo Morel to tell her story and advocate for legislation that would make this kind of thing a crime.
00:15:27.860 And teen Marvel star Social Gomez was targeted with non-consensual deepfakes earlier this year.
00:15:34.020 And she is only 17, a minor.
00:15:37.240 It's really heartbreaking because she says that Twitter pretty much did nothing to take these images down.
00:15:43.660 They did not respond to requests for comment about it.
00:15:46.180 And that she said in a podcast that she basically had to make personal peace with the fact that these deep faked images of her are out there.
00:15:53.400 Like, imagine what we are asking young people, children, minors to make individual peace with because the powers that be are not taking it seriously or doing anything to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
00:16:05.780 or dealing with it when it does happen.
00:16:08.440 And I do want to say something else about Sochel Gomez.
00:16:10.800 We've talked about this a bit on the show before,
00:16:12.720 but there does seem to be some kind of a tiered system of response
00:16:16.420 depending on how famous the target is.
00:16:19.460 Because certainly there was not this kind of outcry for Sochel Gomez,
00:16:23.560 who was targeted for AI deep-thick images before Taylor Swift.
00:16:26.580 We kind of saw something similar under the earlier iteration of Twitter
00:16:30.340 where marginalized people were speaking up about
00:16:32.680 getting torrents of online harassment and abuse,
00:16:35.060 Like, Black women activists were really open about what they were experiencing.
00:16:39.160 However, it took Saturday Night Live actor Leslie Jones to speak up on Twitter when she was facing a torrent of harassment after her Ghostbusters remake came out that Twitter took any meaningful steps to suspend the accounts of people who were doing it.
00:16:52.840 Then Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey personally intervened to suspend those accounts and, like, replied to Leslie Jones saying that he was sorry that it happened.
00:17:00.780 But our teens who are not famous are already being targeted for non-consensual deepfake images.
00:17:06.860 You know, you shouldn't have to be Taylor Swift's level of famous to get people with power to take this seriously when we are all at risk.
00:17:14.460 Now, the Taylor Swift deepfake images on Twitter have triggered a response from the Biden administration.
00:17:19.760 At a White House press briefing, a reporter asked if Biden supported legislation to ban AI-generated porn images.
00:17:25.660 And White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said,
00:17:28.680 we are alarmed by the reports of the circulation of false images.
00:17:32.200 We are going to do what we can to deal with the issue.
00:17:34.360 The Screen Actors Guild, the union that represents performers in Hollywood,
00:17:38.480 has spoken up too, saying the development and dissemination of fake images,
00:17:42.360 especially those of lewd nature, without someone's consent, must be made illegal.
00:17:46.680 As a society, we have it in our power to control these technologies,
00:17:49.820 but we must act now before it is too late.
00:17:52.020 The way performers are depicted in AI without their consent
00:17:54.660 has been a major point of contention with actors' unions like SAG.
00:17:58.200 The union also supports broader legislation, like the No AI Frauds Act, that would prohibit the use of AI to distribute faked replicas of real people without their consent, regardless of whether those images are sexually explicit or not.
00:18:11.440 Saad went on to say,
00:18:12.280 We support Taylor and women everywhere who are the victims of this kind of theft of their privacy and right to autonomy.
00:18:18.660 So I do have to add that there is something weird happening around Taylor Swift right now.
00:18:24.380 Like, it does not surprise me that these deep fakes were first circulated on Telegram and 4chan, where far-right extremists proliferate.
00:18:32.780 So just yesterday, failed Republican presidential candidate, Vivi Akramaswamy, spewed some pretty wacky conspiracy theories that Taylor Swift and her boyfriend, NFL football player Travis Kelce, were being, like, artificially, culturally propped up by the media for some kind of a Democratic, I don't know, psyop campaign.
00:18:52.500 He tweeted, I wonder who's going to win the Super Bowl next month, and I wonder if there's a major presidential endorsement coming from an artificially, culturally propped up couple this fall.
00:19:02.860 Taylor Swift's boyfriend plays for the Chiefs, who just won the playoff game and are going to the Super Bowl.
00:19:08.240 And on Fox News this week, they called her boyfriend Mr. Pfizer because he promoted vaccination to curb COVID.
00:19:15.840 So something I've always found weird about this is that Taylor Swift is not even super publicly or explicitly that political.
00:19:24.140 Like she did endorse Biden in 2020.
00:19:26.640 She's done a few political things here or there, but she's not some like radical political figure. 0.99
00:19:31.080 She didn't even refer to herself as a feminist until pretty recently. 1.00
00:19:34.620 So like, what gives? 0.82
00:19:36.060 My theory is that I think that Taylor Swift represents the anxiety that the right has around young, childless white women right now.
00:19:43.320 We know that white women who are married to white men tend to vote Republican, demographically speaking.
00:19:48.820 Like, they went really hard for Trump.
00:19:51.180 But that it's not so for their unmarried white women counterparts. 0.50
00:19:55.360 And I think the Republican Party just does not have a lot to offer these women.
00:19:59.820 And they know that. 1.00
00:20:00.840 So instead of even trying to offer them anything, they just lash out at Taylor Swift,
00:20:05.420 who, for whatever reason, they have decided is representative of single unmarried white women
00:20:10.460 because she is so visible and so powerful.
00:20:13.080 And I think that is what they really hate about Taylor Swift. 0.94
00:20:16.320 That is why she is a target, because they hate her visibility. 0.53
00:20:19.760 They hate that the cameras cut to her at NFL games when she's in the stands as if she controls the cameras.
00:20:26.120 They hate that she is not acting ashamed to be young and unmarried and having fun and having power. 0.70
00:20:31.480 So targeting her with deep figs is a way to sexually humiliate and humble her,
00:20:35.700 to take away that power and to remind her that at the end of the day, 0.99
00:20:39.220 we can still reduce you to a sexualized object whenever we want and we have the tech to do it.
00:20:44.640 And I remember when the conversation was around celebrity images being hacked or stolen and
00:20:49.320 released to the public, people would say like, oh, well, just don't take those kind of pictures
00:20:53.200 if you don't want other people to see them. But now that anyone can be targeted for non-consensual
00:20:58.320 deepfaked sexualized images, what will the guidance be then? Like, don't be too visible,
00:21:03.380 don't be annoying, don't be a leftist, don't be a woman, don't exist. And I think that is really 1.00
00:21:08.780 the question we need to grapple with. Do we want to live in a future where any woman, any girl, 1.00
00:21:13.740 any person can be reduced to a sexual object via commercially available AI platforms that someone
00:21:20.340 like Microsoft is making money off of? I know it is grim. And on the Patreon, a listener, Sierra,
00:21:27.960 actually pointed something out, that this is an issue that is frustrating because it feels like
00:21:32.060 there's not a ton that we can do. Here in the United States, we're sort of waiting and watching
00:21:36.060 as lawmakers drag their feet and kind of kick the can and pass the buck, but there is still
00:21:41.000 no federal legislation prohibiting someone from making deep fake images.
00:21:45.200 I would say that one thing that we can all do right now is kind of cultural, really see
00:21:49.580 this issue as one that impacts all of us, one that impacts our democracy, one that will
00:21:53.660 dictate whether or not we are able to have an equitable media and democratic landscape.
00:21:57.820 And when you talk about these issues, and please do talk about them, remember that it
00:22:01.920 is not just about Taylor or Sochiel or any one person. It's a systemic failure. If girls across
00:22:08.660 the globe are being threatened by deep fake technology, that is not an individual problem.
00:22:13.340 It is a systemic problem that will take a systemic solution. I would also say to make sure that
00:22:18.200 you're following the women and women of color who have been advocating for making AI safer for a
00:22:23.120 long time. Women like Dr. Joy Bollamwini, who we talked to on the podcast before, because she's
00:22:28.500 been doing a lot of work around challenging some of the existential threats that AI poses to 0.97
00:22:32.900 marginalized people for a long time. Check out her advocacy organization, the Algorithmic Justice
00:22:37.840 League. We'll put all the links in the show notes. And know that there is movement on this. Because
00:22:43.060 of the advocacy of people like Dr. Buolamwini, the Biden administration released an executive order
00:22:48.060 putting some guardrails on AI last year. And lawmakers like Rep. Joe Morrell and Rep. Yvette
00:22:53.840 Clark have introduced legislation criminalizing deepfakes. That is because of advocacy and that 1.00
00:22:59.860 is because of people speaking up, people using their voices to say this is not okay. So we need
00:23:04.860 to educate ourselves, stay checked in, and keep making it clear that this is not acceptable. You
00:23:10.840 know, I'm happy that lawmakers are presenting something, but that is not nearly enough. So
00:23:16.340 let's all stay engaged because this fight is all of our fights.
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