There Are No Girls on the Internet - July 01, 2022


The Jane Collective: How college students started an underground abortion network

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00:02:20.240 In the wake of the devastating Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade,
00:02:24.500 the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion in the United States,
00:02:27.940 I've been thinking a lot about the Jane Collective and Heather Booth.
00:02:31.280 Today, Heather Booth is 76 years young,
00:02:34.060 and when she was a young student in Chicago,
00:02:36.500 she started the Jane Collective, 0.78
00:02:38.280 an underground network that provided some 11,000 abortions from 1969 to 1973,
00:02:44.040 at a time when abortion was illegal in most of the United States.
00:02:47.920 I spoke to Heather back in 2018,
00:02:50.020 when I was the host of the podcast Stuff Mom Never Told You.
00:02:52.620 And relistening to her story this week, I was reminded that when she was young, she was organizing to make changes that must have seemed super far-fetched until they weren't.
00:03:03.180 It's a story of hope and promise, and I feel like we could all use a little of that right now.
00:03:08.560 And just FYI, I was a much greener interviewer and podcast host back in 2018.
00:03:14.160 So, you know, keep that in mind as you're listening.
00:03:22.620 Hey, this is Bridget, and you're listening to Stuff Mom Never Told You.
00:03:37.260 And today, we're continuing our series all about abortion,
00:03:40.720 bringing you stories about abortion that you might not know about.
00:03:43.520 And today's story is the Jane Collective.
00:03:46.720 Now, I want you to imagine.
00:03:48.300 It's 1970. 1.00
00:03:49.660 You're pregnant, and you need not to be. 0.98
00:03:51.920 But Roe v. Wade is a few years away, and abortion is still illegal. 0.99
00:03:55.360 Now, before this landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision,
00:03:59.340 terminating a pregnancy meant taking a gamble on a back-alley abortion provider.
00:04:03.680 Maybe they'd be competent. Maybe they wouldn't be.
00:04:06.580 But when you're pregnant and desperate, you don't really have a lot of options. 0.99
00:04:10.000 For women living in the 60s and 70s, this was a reality. 1.00
00:04:13.360 And on Chicago's South Side, women began organizing an underground network to do something about it. 0.96
00:04:19.180 In 1965, Heather Booth was a 19-year-old college student at the University of Chicago. 0.88
00:04:24.860 Her friend's sister was pregnant and needed an abortion.
00:04:27.580 Now, Booth had been active in the civil rights movement 0.77
00:04:29.480 and connected her friend's sister to a doctor willing to perform an illegal abortion.
00:04:33.840 After that, she started getting more and more calls from women,
00:04:37.160 housewives, students, and the siblings of police officers.
00:04:40.740 That's when Booth knew she needed to start a network.
00:04:43.900 Known officially as the Abortion Counseling Service of Women's Liberation, 1.00
00:04:46.960 Heather Booth started an underground network to connect women to abortions 0.99
00:04:50.520 using the codename Jane, as it was still a crime.
00:04:54.460 I remember this ad that said,
00:04:56.760 pregnant, need help, call Jane. 0.78
00:05:00.680 So I called Jane.
00:05:02.440 Jane ultimately served over 10,000 women 0.96
00:05:04.860 before Roe v. Wade made abortion legal in 1973.
00:05:08.660 In the beginning, the network connected pregnant women with doctors.
00:05:12.180 But eventually, they realized that many of the people providing abortions
00:05:15.160 weren't doctors at all. 1.00
00:05:16.700 That's when the women in Jane started performing abortions themselves.
00:05:20.120 The women were not doctors, but according to the Chicago Tribune, 0.95
00:05:23.820 their skills were attested to by a doctor who risked his license
00:05:26.920 by doing post-operative checkups on clients.
00:05:29.760 At this point, the Jane Collective was providing abortions for as many as 60 women a week.
00:05:34.220 Jane's facilities were raided by the police.
00:05:36.040 During the raid, police asked all the women to identify the doctor who was performing the abortions,
00:05:40.580 obviously expecting to find a man, but there was no man.
00:05:43.820 The group was arrested, and the media called them the Jane Seven.
00:05:47.740 After being indicted by a grand jury, their case was only dismissed
00:05:51.040 thanks to the Supreme Court's legalization of abortion in 1973.
00:05:54.900 After this quick break, we'll hear from Heather Booth about how Jane got started.
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00:08:57.060 Today, I am so, so humbled and thrilled to be joined by the legendary Heather Booth.
00:09:03.120 Heather, thank you so much for being here today.
00:09:04.660 Oh, my goodness.
00:09:06.340 Well, you are. You're a legend.
00:09:08.720 Well, I'm so glad to be talking with the amazing Bridget Todd and what a service you're doing to the public,
00:09:14.840 providing this information out about some of the stories that are not as well known.
00:09:19.740 Exactly. That's really what we want to do with this series. Everybody feels like they know a lot about abortion and about, you know, reproductive health. But there are so many stories about abortion in choice that people might not know. You know, the Jane Network was such a critical thing for these women who were living, you know, while before Roe v. Wade was enacted. And, you know, people don't even really know about it.
00:09:42.360 Glad to describe how it came about. And I appreciate your spreading the word to let people know that if we organize, we can change the world. We have changed the world and we need to change the world. And the story of organizing the Jane Network is one important example of that.
00:10:07.280 So let's talk about Jane.
00:10:08.640 So when you started Jane, you were just a 19-year-old student at the University of Chicago.
00:10:13.140 So what was your life like before you started Jane?
00:10:16.480 A little bit about my life and also a little bit about what women's lives were like in general. 0.89
00:10:22.820 For me, I was brought up in a family that was very loving and believed that people should follow the golden rule. 0.97
00:10:32.560 We should treat each other as we wanted to be treated.
00:10:35.380 And I carried that with me. I became active in the civil rights movement. In 1964, I went to Mississippi with the Freedom Summer Project, and some of you may have heard about it because that was a time when the civil rights movement was recruiting northern students to come down to Mississippi because in Mississippi, black lives did not matter in 1964.
00:10:59.940 and they thought that the attention of northern students might bring additional visibility and potential power
00:11:09.060 to shine a spotlight on what was going on in Mississippi.
00:11:14.180 And during that summer, the three young men, Andrew Goodman, James Cheney, and Michael Schwerner,
00:11:20.420 were killed at the hands of the Klan.
00:11:22.220 What people may not know is that while they were looking for the bodies of the three men,
00:11:28.740 They found bodies of other black men whose hands had been bound or feet chopped off.
00:11:33.860 And those murders weren't even investigated once the bodies were found until years later.
00:11:39.440 But because people organized, there was a Voting Rights Act within a year.
00:11:46.000 And Mississippi now has more African-American elected officials than any other state in the country.
00:11:50.520 I mention that because it was formative for some of the ideas that led to Jane, which is that you have to stand up to unjust authority.
00:12:01.400 If you take action, you can make change.
00:12:05.000 And that sometimes there even are risks, but together we can really build a better world.
00:12:12.020 I returned back to my campus, and a friend of mine had been raped at Nice Point in her bed in off-campus housing.
00:12:20.060 We went with her to student health to get a gynecological exam for her,
00:12:25.600 but was told that student health didn't cover gynecological exams,
00:12:29.260 and she was given a lecture on her promiscuity. 0.99
00:12:33.080 Now, because we sat with her, they called it a sit-in.
00:12:36.460 But over time, because people protested and organized, 0.60
00:12:40.500 now student health would cover gynecological exams
00:12:43.580 and people would be given careful counseling.
00:12:49.100 And there also is support and attention about the crisis of rape on campus.
00:12:55.900 Those changes happen because people organized.
00:12:59.980 We still have much further to go.
00:13:03.380 There still are attacks on women's health.
00:13:07.340 Planned Parenthood is under attack.
00:13:09.700 But we make progress when we organize.
00:13:12.780 And those were some of the lessons that I learned also from the civil rights movement.
00:13:17.320 On the campus, to give a sense, though, of how women were treated broadly, I formed a, pulled together a group called the Women Radical Action Program, or WRAP, W-R-A-P, and we did studies about and supported women to promote women's positions on campus.
00:13:41.660 It probably was the first campus women's organization of the new and emerging women's movement in 1965.
00:13:51.300 And we found that professors gave four times as much attention to men's students as to women's students.
00:14:02.880 We called it significant response.
00:14:05.160 How often would a teacher actually engage with the students?
00:14:08.140 and because of that and other things 0.98
00:14:12.060 we found ways to support women on campus
00:14:14.360 we found there was discrimination against
00:14:18.220 women faculty members 0.90
00:14:20.000 they mostly were kept as adjunct professors 1.00
00:14:24.040 and not allowed on a tenure track
00:14:26.580 and there were other issues 1.00
00:14:27.840 so people need to understand the emergence of Jane
00:14:31.260 within the context
00:14:33.500 of lessons from an emerging movement
00:14:37.020 in civil rights, context of changes going on in the society where, on the one hand,
00:14:47.920 women were at the universities and entering into public life, and yet were not treated equally,
00:14:55.520 so there was this emerging women's movement developing, and also in the context of
00:15:02.160 values that many of us shared, believing that this should be a country that treated all people
00:15:10.840 equally, gave people equal support and respect. I love that. So really, one of the big takeaways
00:15:20.940 from what you've done with Jane is that organizing and people power can really change culture and
00:15:27.700 change laws and change lives that, you know, oftentimes we feel, at least I feel, overwhelmed
00:15:33.580 that, oh, just little old me, what can I do to change this?
00:15:36.520 This seems so bad or up against so many fights.
00:15:38.800 But actually, if you really work hard and organize, you can change things.
00:15:43.480 Absolutely.
00:15:45.000 Absolutely.
00:15:45.480 To bring us up to Jane to explain how my involvement with that and how that developed,
00:15:52.180 Against this backdrop, a friend of mine told me his sister was pregnant and was nearly suicidal because she wasn't ready to have a baby, and she wanted an abortion.
00:16:07.460 I had never thought about the issue before that I recall, and I've never had to face the issue myself.
00:16:13.840 But I said I'd try to do what I could do to help, again, sort of as part of the golden rule, trying to go on to others.
00:16:23.300 I went to the network of doctors from the Medical Committee for Human Rights, which was the civil rights medical arm.
00:16:33.280 And I found a doctor, Dr. TRM Howard, who had a clinic on 63rd Street in Chicago, a friendship clinic.
00:16:43.840 I didn't know his history at the time, but he had been a dynamic civil rights leader in Mississippi
00:16:53.100 and came to Chicago when his name appeared on a Klan death list.
00:16:59.400 I called him up. He agreed to do the procedure. 0.98
00:17:03.460 Actually, I didn't really think much more about it.
00:17:06.780 But word must have spread because a short time later, someone else called.
00:17:11.740 I thought it was a coincidence, and then word must have spread, and someone else called.
00:17:18.160 At that point, I realized there really was a broader problem that needed to be addressed.
00:17:25.300 And being an organizer, I decided to create a system and called it Jane.
00:17:29.960 Over time, the women of Jane themselves performed 11,000 abortions between 1965 and 1973 when Roe became the law of the land.
00:17:45.880 and the experience of Jane both improved the lives of the women who came through
00:17:54.320 who were looking for a way to decide when or whether they could have a child.
00:18:00.820 It changed the lives of the women who were in Jane,
00:18:06.280 letting them know what they could do to improve the lives of women on a broad scale.
00:18:14.540 And it also provided a basis, giving people confidence, I hope now, to say we can make change if we organize.
00:18:26.420 So let's say that I'm a woman who calls Jane. Can you walk me through the logistics? Once I call, what happened?
00:18:32.640 Well, first there were two or three eras of Jane, eras.
00:18:38.900 When I first started it, it was a very small service.
00:18:45.940 It just kept growing and growing.
00:18:48.440 When it started, someone would call up and ask for Jane.
00:18:53.560 Even before they said they were asking for Jane, I knew immediately there was a sort of hesitant pause on the phone,
00:19:00.380 and I just knew immediately what they were probably calling about.
00:19:03.780 So they usually said some version, that they were pregnant and were looking for an abortion. 0.93
00:19:15.880 For some women, we'd do the counseling on the phone. 0.98
00:19:20.040 We'd then try and arrange a time where they could come in and have a longer conversation 1.00
00:19:25.980 I could talk with them and find out what the details were, how long they were, had been pregnant, what their medical history was a little bit. 0.99
00:19:38.180 And then we'll just go through the details of what to expect. 0.98
00:19:46.860 They want to know how long does it take?
00:19:49.720 Would there be pain?
00:19:51.000 Are there side effects?
00:19:52.500 What do you need to do afterward?
00:19:54.020 How to take care of yourself?
00:19:55.980 If there are any medical complications, what they need to do, who they call, we'd go through how much it cost.
00:20:07.040 Initially, Jane cost $500, but we negotiated down the price that the number of people came through.
00:20:14.640 We then went for two for the price of one, so we got it down to $250.
00:20:20.320 We then even sometimes got three for the price of one.
00:20:23.200 And we sometimes would ask for a special arrangement if someone didn't have money.
00:20:36.340 And then we arranged where people would go, where they would meet, how they would get picked up,
00:20:42.460 That someone should be with them to take care of them, you know, to be with them as they left after the procedure.
00:20:55.820 That was the first stage of Jane where I was doing the counseling and Dr. Howard had explained to me in a lot of detail what was involved.
00:21:06.280 Dr. Howard died
00:21:09.680 in natural causes
00:21:11.560 and I found another person
00:21:14.380 to provide the procedures
00:21:15.700 his name was Mike
00:21:17.280 and we basically
00:21:20.360 had the same process
00:21:22.980 though he
00:21:24.240 had a suburban
00:21:26.360 effort
00:21:27.720 and
00:21:29.660 the numbers were increasing
00:21:32.780 so much
00:21:33.680 as the numbers of people coming through
00:21:36.020 I was about to have my first child
00:21:39.180 and I was very busy
00:21:41.540 and many other things
00:21:42.840 getting a graduate degree
00:21:44.660 working on other
00:21:47.480 social change issues
00:21:48.720 and I realized I couldn't
00:21:50.840 handle it all just myself
00:21:52.680 and so I
00:21:55.240 decided I needed to recruit
00:21:57.360 other people to be involved
00:21:59.220 with this
00:21:59.680 and I'd go to meetings
00:22:01.880 and at the end of the meeting would say
00:22:04.420 if anyone wants to be involved in abortion counseling, please see me.
00:22:11.780 And I recruited a number of people.
00:22:14.120 We did a training and made sure that everyone understood the process
00:22:18.840 and would provide the high quality of care that we wanted to see for all the women who came through.
00:22:26.780 And then with that, I turned over the effort to another group of women.
00:22:32.740 and Jody Parsons and Ruth Sergal were the two lead women who helped coordinate it at that point.
00:22:43.560 As the numbers increased, more hands were needed.
00:22:48.680 One person doing the procedures wasn't going to be enough.
00:22:52.300 And then it also turned out that the women that were helping Mike do the procedures,
00:23:01.260 and then Mike shared that he actually wasn't a licensed physician and they thought well if he
00:23:09.540 could do it so could they. Now though this was the women doing the procedures starting to learn
00:23:17.580 how to do the procedures it was actually probably safer than this medical procedure being done 0.77
00:23:26.700 in a hospital or clinic or other setting.
00:23:30.280 Partly because it was illegal, everyone wanted it to be as safe as possible
00:23:36.360 so that no one would be harmed.
00:23:38.920 No one would be, there wouldn't be an adverse effect. 0.97
00:23:45.020 It also was a women's culture. 0.89
00:23:47.020 We cared about women. 0.68
00:23:48.540 And so the priority wasn't the profit-making.
00:23:51.700 It was the care for women and for their wishes.
00:23:56.700 And there also was the only thing that they were doing, and so there was a lot of attention
00:24:05.560 on it.
00:24:05.960 It's not like you were getting lost in the shuffle of, oh, am I doing an appendectomy
00:24:10.600 or am I doing a different procedure?
00:24:15.920 In fact, after Roe became the law of the land, there was a study done by a University of Illinois program called Perceptorship, which was about entry into positive medical care within Chicago.
00:24:37.520 And they did an analysis of the outcomes from Jane and the outcomes from clinic service for abortion and found that the results from Jane were more positive than the results in a clinic setting.
00:24:53.680 Wow.
00:24:54.340 Again, I think for the reasons that I just mentioned. 1.00
00:24:57.680 So at that point, the women started to take on doing procedures themselves.
00:25:04.300 and in the course of that there was a larger group that was recruited to actually be the service
00:25:14.280 which is what we called it what they called it Jane or the service and as women came in there
00:25:22.620 was a front or one apartment someone's apartment that was designed in a very cozy homey supportive 0.99
00:25:32.460 way, sometimes there were kids there, and a number of women who would be waiting for
00:25:37.980 their own procedure would gather there in a supportive environment, and then they would 0.96
00:25:47.360 be taken to the apartment where the procedures would be done, and then they were supported
00:25:56.560 and given care while they were recovering from the procedure
00:25:59.880 and then would be sent off with full information about what to do,
00:26:06.920 if there are any issues, as there often are with any medical procedure,
00:26:11.000 and given help and told numbers to call
00:26:15.200 and people could be in touch with them afterward
00:26:19.260 to make sure that everything worked out okay.
00:26:23.600 So that was the broad process.
00:26:25.100 There's a book about Jane by Laura Kaplan called Jane, I think it's Jane and Abortion Story.
00:26:34.080 There's also a movie about it. And actually, I'm now told there's at least two Hollywood-made movies that are being made about Jane, as well as a new documentary.
00:26:45.200 And there are more details of it captured in the book that Laura Kaplan wrote about Jane.
00:26:53.400 So, Heather, now you're a part of this really robust tradition of Jewish activism.
00:26:58.480 I actually read someplace that at one point you wanted to be a rabbi, but that you heard that women couldn't be rabbis.
00:27:04.260 Do you feel like your background as, you know, part of the robust legacy of Jewish activism and social change work, did that also impact your work with Jane?
00:27:15.360 It did. It was part of my moral upbringing.
00:27:18.560 I believed, as it's said in the Bible, justice, justice I shall pursue, saying justice twice, because it's that important.
00:27:31.000 really believing that the stories of the prophets should guide us in some ways,
00:27:40.860 that it's the people who should rise, and not just those in wealth and power.
00:27:52.000 There also was a history of struggle, of the Passover story,
00:27:58.320 Passover's coming and the story of people even going 40 years in the desert to a land of greater promise to escape oppression.
00:28:12.960 And I believe that that was a tradition that was worth embracing.
00:28:18.520 So that was part of the moral upbringing that I had and have tried to carry that on into the organizing work I've done.
00:28:28.320 And since that time, I've tried to carry it on in so many ways.
00:28:34.380 I started a training center for organizers called Midwest Academy.
00:28:38.000 I encourage your listeners to pursue Midwest Academy because it's a place to learn the skills of organizing.
00:28:48.500 Their website is www.midwestacademy.com.
00:28:53.180 I've also ended up running some large-scale organizations for advising them.
00:29:01.780 I was strategic advisor for the immigration reform campaign, the Alliance for Citizenship.
00:29:07.020 I ran the campaign for financial reform that won the Dodd-Frank bill.
00:29:12.280 I was the coordinator around the marriage equality campaign.
00:29:17.120 I just was the field director around the campaign to stop these tax breaks for the millionaires and billionaires that will mean that there will be an excuse to make cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and education and other essential human services.
00:29:36.900 So the struggle continues. And right now, people, I think, especially need to learn this lesson, that even when time seemed the most difficult, we can make progress if we organize. And if we organize, we can change the world. And we need to change the world.
00:29:57.660 I could not have put it better myself.
00:29:59.620 These fights are still fights that need to be fought,
00:30:01.980 and we can get complacent and we can get comfortable,
00:30:05.000 but as you said, we need to be organizing,
00:30:07.540 and I'm so glad that you're in the fight doing this work with us
00:30:11.200 because we need you, Heather, and I'm so glad that we have you.
00:30:15.720 Well, and I'm so glad that we have you spread the word, spread the message.
00:30:20.840 I'm so glad we have those who are listening in.
00:30:23.780 I hope they'll take, they probably have been taking action.
00:30:28.120 We need to continue taking action and unify and give people confidence that we can organize.
00:30:36.640 And when we organize, even in times that seem the most difficult, we have changed the world in the past and we can change the world for the future.
00:30:47.380 Let's take a quick break.
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00:33:47.540 Well, Spinty listeners, now I know abortion can seem like an issue that we no longer have to fight for like we did in the 70s.
00:33:53.860 Okay, hi, it's 2022, Bridget, and wow, how wrong I was.
00:34:00.660 So right here in the original episode, I started going on and on about how even though Roe was the law of the land,
00:34:07.080 we still needed to be vigilant because of state-based attacks on abortion.
00:34:10.560 And now, here we are in 2022, and as you know, Roe vs. Wade has been overturned.
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