Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - September 01, 2026


An OBGYN's Cheat Sheet for Getting Taken Seriously

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00:00:00.000 Hey y'all, Jo here and you are listening to Under the Influence. 1.00
00:00:09.100 We're talking about vaginas today and why we need to pay more attention to them and 0.91
00:00:13.420 why the whole world should be investing more in research for them and about them.
00:00:18.420 And yeah, I mean, it's one of my favorite subjects, right? 1.00
00:00:21.140 Like I just, I want my vagina to be amazing. 1.00
00:00:24.940 And Dr. Tracy Chevelle wants your vagina to be amazing too. 1.00
00:00:28.700 She does. 1.00
00:00:29.520 Tracy's an OBGYN who has spent more than 25 years in women's intimate spaces. 1.00
00:00:34.840 And by intimate spaces, I mean inside their vaginas. 1.00
00:00:37.680 And she talks a lot on social media about how broken the medical system is. 1.00
00:00:40.980 I mean, it's a disaster.
00:00:41.920 It's like an absolute dumpster fire.
00:00:44.440 But she doesn't just rant about it.
00:00:45.920 She talks about how we can navigate this broken medical system.
00:00:49.640 And I love that for us because we all need help here.
00:00:53.060 We do.
00:00:53.380 I think that the broken system fails women even more than it fails men
00:00:57.880 because we don't want to complain.
00:01:00.360 We don't want to ask one more question.
00:01:02.000 We don't want to be annoying.
00:01:03.360 We don't want to be filled with rage.
00:01:04.900 And we also keep working while we're still sick.
00:01:08.060 Tracy has advice on all of that.
00:01:10.160 She will tell you exactly what to say in the emergency room to be taken seriously.
00:01:14.240 She explains why most of our sickness is not just anxiety, as it often gets written off.
00:01:19.240 And she talks about how to use the internet to actually get good medical advice.
00:01:23.460 She's super smart.
00:01:24.180 I love her.
00:01:24.720 I love a smart doctor.
00:01:25.440 I'm actually surrounded by smart doctors in my life.
00:01:28.460 They're all amazing and they're all exhausted because they are working in a broken system.
00:01:33.640 Tracy has a book coming out in January called Labor and Deliverance, Reclaiming the Healing in Women's Health.
00:01:39.240 It's nine patient stories plus her own decade of being dismissed and told she was totally fine when she wasn't.
00:01:45.160 She's a doctor. It happened to her too.
00:01:47.080 Okay, it can happen to anyone.
00:01:48.460 Tracy is wonderful and I think you're going to love our conversation.
00:01:55.440 Hey, Tracy, how you doing?
00:01:59.060 Good, Jill. Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here.
00:02:01.280 Oh, my God. I'm so happy that you're here.
00:02:03.940 You posted something on Instagram that really got me.
00:02:07.660 You said, to all the women holding it together while quietly falling apart.
00:02:13.860 That is me. That is me every single day, okay?
00:02:17.540 Right. Like how you've created this platform to talk to women about how we can take control of our health, of our bodies. 1.00
00:02:27.060 So talk to me a little bit about what you want to tell women who are quietly holding it together, but also falling apart at the seams.
00:02:35.720 I think the reality is, you know, I've spent really now 25 plus years of my life in women's intimate spaces.
00:02:42.100 And I've realized that it's not just some women. It's a universal truth.
00:02:45.840 We are all just holding it together while it looks all beautiful on the outside, whether
00:02:50.580 that's in our mothering years, whether it's after our mothering years, whether we're in
00:02:54.400 college, we always have this pressure of what we show to the world.
00:02:59.020 And it often differs with who we are.
00:03:01.000 And part of what I've realized in the struggle, you know, making moms, getting moms through 0.71
00:03:05.700 the mothering years and then being in the sandwich generation and now doing menopause 0.54
00:03:10.220 care and this whole continuity is that there is no honoring a of people's real
00:03:15.520 reality or truth because we're afraid of looking less than. B, we're all still a bunch of middle
00:03:19.940 school kids like trying to sit at the cool kids table, which is not OK. Right. And the third thing
00:03:24.980 is that we are not being honored in the spaces of transition in our lives that allow addressing
00:03:31.760 any of those common balls that we all keep in the air. And, you know, I see that through the
00:03:37.320 lens of being a doctor and through health. And ultimately what it comes down to and what I want
00:03:42.080 limit to understand is yes the medical system is broken so yeah but that secondary result is that
00:03:49.980 we as patients and women feel like we're broken and as women we take on the immediate role of like
00:03:55.760 it's my fault i don't want to annoy the doctor i don't want to ask one more question i'm sorry but
00:03:59.800 and i i want to say that ultimately we have far more power than we realize and that even though
00:04:08.220 it really sucks because we all want to go to the doctor and like, you know, be cured.
00:04:11.960 We have to take ownership of our wellness at like every state, especially having all the 0.93
00:04:16.100 balls in the air.
00:04:16.520 But we are really our most important ball.
00:04:19.980 We are.
00:04:20.420 We are.
00:04:20.920 I mean, it's so true.
00:04:22.440 I was just reading this New Yorker story.
00:04:25.920 I'm sure you read it. 0.99
00:04:26.660 The Billionaire Vaginas Club. 1.00
00:04:28.580 Billionaire's Vagina Club. 1.00
00:04:29.960 Yeah. 1.00
00:04:30.340 Yeah. 1.00
00:04:31.360 It's been circulating around the school moms. 0.98
00:04:34.540 And I mean, I love I love the headline, The Billionaire's Vagina Club, because I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is like so ripe for a thriller. 0.96
00:04:41.300 I'm like, who's going to die in this story? 0.99
00:04:43.900 Whose vagina is going to be the killer? 1.00
00:04:45.680 Which vagina is going to be the killer? 1.00
00:04:48.920 And, you know, it's about Silicon Valley tech ladies and then also tech wives who have this one concierge doctor who treats them for all of their all of their health issues. 1.00
00:05:00.100 And she also encourages all of them to have a lot more sex. 1.00
00:05:03.960 I think that most women just don't want to have sex with their gross tech husbands because tech 1.00
00:05:07.480 husbands are gross. But that said, you know, they have they're paying, you know, six figures a year 0.99
00:05:15.060 to get this kind of good health care. But one of the things you're saying is that we can get it
00:05:21.960 out of our very broken system. We just have to advocate for ourselves. Right. Yeah, I think
00:05:26.140 there's really it's shocking to me because I actually do have a concierge practice and I find
00:05:31.900 it's so fascinating like where people are and what their mindsets are it's very different from
00:05:36.700 New York City to Westchester for example and I think that ultimately what's happening in the
00:05:42.260 country and I want to just be very clear I think that more women that are probably listening more
00:05:49.100 women are probably spending more money on wellness coaches and lifestyle coaches and aren't even
00:05:56.560 seeking out the concierge, you know, medical people. Right. But at the same time, it shows 1.00
00:06:03.680 how desperate women are to just have someone fucking listen to them. Excuse me. Don't fucking 1.00
00:06:07.800 listen. I just want someone to fucking listen to me. Am I allowed to curse on that? OK, good, 1.00
00:06:10.860 please. You can. Yeah. Yeah, I figured. But it's just so that's crazy to me. And ultimately,
00:06:16.360 so what my goal is, right, like I'd like to be everyone's concierge doctor that needs it. But
00:06:20.940 ultimately, you know, we have this philosophy in surgery, see one, do one, teach one. Like
00:06:25.680 ultimately what I want to sell women is not needing me, right? Like I want to sell women 1.00
00:06:30.820 in their weakest points, the ability to understand medical language that they don't think they can 1.00
00:06:35.060 understand. Understand if you're going to be healthy, you've got to deal with your trauma
00:06:38.320 and understand that as women, we do have spiritual needs, whether that's walking barefoot in the
00:06:43.920 grass or going to church, going to temple or calling a psychic and working with a seer and
00:06:49.580 whatever it is we have these pieces of us that all need attention and ultimately no one provider
00:06:56.180 unless you have a six-figure amount to spend with someone who will work with you which if you do
00:07:02.180 god bless of us god you can call me no i'm just kidding but like but if you have that and you can
00:07:07.740 get that from someone else that's great but ultimately so much of that because we're so
00:07:12.240 unique as individuals has to come from ourselves and right so we have to be re-empowered to
00:07:19.400 understand no one's coming to save us it doesn't mean another hassle but it means that we are
00:07:24.340 important enough that like we know a lot more than we're given credit for and it's not that hard
00:07:31.320 it sounds really simplified and silly but if you walk into a cough and cold and flu aisle and cbs
00:07:38.800 you're like assaulted with 8 000 products so many yeah right if you learn four words you can get
00:07:45.320 whatever the hell you need you can feel like a doctor and you don't ever have to feel intimidated
00:07:49.080 by that encounter again. It's like those little things give us back our strength to get better
00:07:56.300 care. And it's not just going in and being like, fuck you, doctor. Like I'm in charge here. You're 1.00
00:08:01.680 a jerk. I'm not talking about things like that. I'm just talking about things that will slowly 1.00
00:08:05.660 build our confidence back up because it's just it's non-existent. And it's not because doctors
00:08:10.800 suck. Lots of doctors suck. But the doctors are struggling. The majority of doctors are struggling 1.00
00:08:16.940 just as much as their patients in different ways.
00:08:19.820 Yeah, yeah.
00:08:20.440 No, I mean, totally, totally.
00:08:22.000 And it's, I have so many friends that are doctors.
00:08:24.300 I live in Center City, Philly, right?
00:08:26.000 So like, you know, a lot of my friends work at Pensy or at CHOP
00:08:30.640 and they're great people.
00:08:32.320 They're great doctors.
00:08:33.600 The bureaucracy around healthcare is killing them.
00:08:37.520 And in turn, it's hurting patients.
00:08:40.060 And so I think it's really, it's very important for all of us to have empathy
00:08:43.660 for the doctors, for the nurses.
00:08:45.500 but then also as you said know how to advocate for ourselves know what words to use know what
00:08:50.120 language to use to get what we need i mean it is insane i will tell you i am trying to switch 0.72
00:08:56.880 primary care doctors mine is very very nice but should not be treating a woman in perimenopause
00:09:04.440 right now right she's a woman who went through menopause and kind of believes she's like you
00:09:09.820 just tough it out and i'm like oh that's not where i'm at my friend i i shall not tough this out
00:09:15.400 My generation says no. My generation says no, thank you. And so I'm looking for a new one,
00:09:19.640 but no one's accepting new patients, right? Like everyone is full, exhausted, overworked. And so
00:09:24.960 now we're looking at concierge medicine and thank God we can afford it. That's right. And I'm going
00:09:29.500 to tell you something that's so interesting about this. And this is not to scare people,
00:09:33.760 to make them feel like, well, there's nothing I can do because it's quite the opposite. And this
00:09:36.820 is where I talk about ownership. Even if you've got a great OBGYN, the reality is there are so
00:09:42.980 many OBGYNs that are not adequately trained to treat menopause. And so, you know, what a lot of
00:09:49.680 people wind up doing, and it's not wrong, it's better than not doing anything, but they go online
00:09:54.360 or they, you know, watch, and you have to be careful about who you're consuming and what
00:09:58.860 you're consuming. But I do feel that there is, instead of feeling like you're never going to
00:10:04.800 find answers, you can, as patients now, if you know how to use AI, for example, if you know how
00:10:12.340 to use it right you can get medical information that you don't understand translate it into
00:10:18.380 person speak and have that help guide you as you search for maybe the person who might not be your
00:10:24.100 primary care provider but who's going to prescribe you the right hormones so it's it's really i think
00:10:29.920 unless you do that for people who can't afford to go to a concierge person you can try to do an
00:10:35.840 online menopause service like at least people are starting to talk about it in a way there's money
00:10:41.260 going into it and i think that there is a real push at least toward educating the people who
00:10:46.480 you would think would be the right people to do it yeah i mean yeah and i also want to say joe
00:10:51.300 you know you bring up something very very relevant a lot of people sort of give me grief for this but
00:10:55.320 i don't care it's really how i feel yeah whatever i mean a woman should see a primary care doc and
00:11:01.280 an ob-gyn every single year from the time she is sexually active or getting periods regularly
00:11:06.940 until she's dead yeah because ultimately ob-gyns whether or not they know how to do your concierge
00:11:13.560 medicine are still a woman's doctor they'll talk to you about things a primary care doc may not 0.98
00:11:18.320 and they're really important right like are you having sex your primary care doctor even if they're
00:11:24.360 concierge is not going to ask you that but an ob-gyn probably will even if you don't like them
00:11:30.140 you know whatever it is at least it's what you know we're trained to do at least that
00:11:34.840 Yeah, well, and I love my OBGYN. It's very interesting because she was also a little dismissive of perimenopause until she went through it. I remember I was talking about, you know, gaining weight and stuff. And she's like, no, you're just like, this is just how it's going to be. But now that she is also going through it, she has gotten the training to help her patients through it.
00:11:54.660 That said, I mean, I want to I want to ask you something that I don't know if this is controversial in the world of medicine.
00:12:00.780 We're going to take a quick break. And when we get back, I have a I have a very important question for you.
00:12:05.740 I can't wait.
00:12:13.580 OK, we are back. I actually think there should be separate doctors for women having babies and then women going through perimenopause.
00:12:24.660 menopause I don't again it's all vaginas but I do think that these are very different stages
00:12:31.620 of our lives what do you think about this so this has been a thing that's been in dialogue since I
00:12:37.700 was a medical student because when I was a medical student I was obsessed with obstetrics and the
00:12:43.500 miracle of birth not so much caring about the surgery with infected tubes like wasn't so into
00:12:48.380 it. And not only are OB and GYN tracks wildly different, but the subspecialties in OB-GYN
00:12:56.560 are also wildly different. My husband fixes organs and urine that's falling out of women
00:13:02.680 in OB-GYN. And I do babies and complex things in women's care in a very different way. So
00:13:08.620 it's been discussed a lot at the higher levels about breaking them into two separate pathways.
00:13:14.760 It's something a lot of doctors in my field feel should absolutely exist.
00:13:20.180 But I just don't see it happening right now because there are so many other places that really need attention.
00:13:27.580 And so it's really important with the way that the politic of the country is right now, that women who deliver babies understand that super early pregnancy situation.
00:13:38.320 And that's really, until a certain point, a GYN focus, right?
00:13:42.780 If somebody has an OBGYN and it ruptures, they have to be able to operate on them.
00:13:47.620 Should it be a GYN surgeon?
00:13:49.320 Totally.
00:13:50.220 In my opinion, absolutely.
00:13:52.940 And now with the, there's been a development in OBGYN.
00:13:56.820 We used to have obstetricians who were in groups and it was always like the group who
00:14:00.900 delivered you.
00:14:01.840 But many places have hospitalists now that do shift work or take four, five, six, seven
00:14:07.300 shifts a month.
00:14:08.460 They have a better lifestyle, but they're really only doing OB.
00:14:12.060 Yeah.
00:14:12.540 Yeah. A lot of doctors will age out when they finally don't want to take call anymore. They
00:14:18.160 have a big enough practice. They will age out into a GYN path. But to me, that's kind of lousy. 1.00
00:14:24.320 That's not how it should be. If you want to do GYN from the beginning of your career when you're
00:14:27.900 fresh and young, you should be able to do that. You know, you should be able to understand
00:14:33.200 obstetrics. So to answer your question in a very sort of roundabout way, I think it's the right
00:14:38.000 idea. A lot of OBGYNs think so too. People at higher levels do as well. There's just so many
00:14:44.140 areas of women's health that need funding. So I don't know. Right. So we've talked about it for
00:14:50.340 now. It's been a lot of years that I've been having this dialogue. And if it hasn't happened
00:14:54.740 yet, it's probably not going to, but there is talk at sort of real administrative levels about it.
00:14:59.900 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just think, I think it's so interesting, right? Because I'm in the waiting
00:15:03.400 room for my OBGYN with, you know, eight months pregnant women. And the doctors only have 15
00:15:09.140 minutes with us. And there's just so much more that we need at this point. And so that, I mean,
00:15:14.040 that's why I appreciate. I think the internet can also be a terrible dumpster fire of shit to wade 0.99
00:15:18.600 through. But I appreciate doctors like you who, and my friend Jen Lincoln, who are putting real 0.99
00:15:25.080 actionable information out there that can, that can actually help us. I mean, I've saved a bunch
00:15:30.500 of a bunch of your Instagrams. You said what to say in the ER to be taken seriously. Can we talk
00:15:37.900 a little bit about that one? Oh, my God. Of course. I mean, I think that, look, nobody, I never tell
00:15:43.580 women to lie, but I also say that you can get your point across in a way. This is why I think
00:15:49.900 medical terminology is so important. And the phrasing that doctors take seriously that patients
00:15:55.060 don't know about. For example, I'm in 10 out of 10 pain. You know what? If you're really actually
00:16:00.500 an eight and a half out of 10 pain, just fricking say it's a 10. Like if something's really wrong
00:16:06.220 and you've never come to an emergency room, I'm okay with you adding a bonus point for your pain.
00:16:11.580 You know, I recently, I was in last year, I was in an emergency room and I'm like moaning and
00:16:15.380 groaning and having all this pain. I think I had a kidney stone, whatever. And nobody gave a shit
00:16:19.760 that I was moaning and groaning. But if you go up to someone and you say, this is the worst X, 0.98
00:16:24.600 y or z have ever experienced or depending on what you're there for you know in terms of pain
00:16:31.200 realize something very important when you go into an emergency room as a woman there is conscious
00:16:36.700 and unconscious bias about women's pain and it's so insane to me because it should be the opposite
00:16:42.260 right like a man's never pushed something out of his smallest hole i think pain would be just
00:16:47.240 overall, we're seriously considered. But for women who tolerate childbirth to go in and say
00:16:54.360 they're in pain and then still there is unconscious bias, it doesn't matter the gender of your
00:16:59.160 provider, it doesn't matter if they're a nurse or doctor, women's pain is under managed, under 0.92
00:17:03.660 dismissed. And because we're people pleasers, so many of us, we will underplay when we need
00:17:08.720 something. So if you go to an emergency room, you must make your needs incredibly clear. And if you
00:17:15.180 Like, don't feel like you've gotten the right focus or somebody's blown you up. 0.99
00:17:18.960 Do not leave the fucking emergency room. 0.99
00:17:20.720 Like, do not leave. 1.00
00:17:21.880 I know I did.
00:17:22.940 I did.
00:17:23.400 I had the worst emergency room experience last year.
00:17:26.420 I talked about it on the podcast and on the Instagram.
00:17:28.740 I went to over to over to Penn and I had pneumonia.
00:17:33.880 I like my chest pain was so bad, I thought I was having a heart attack.
00:17:37.360 And they had me waiting for eight hours.
00:17:40.500 And then I left because I was like, I cannot.
00:17:43.360 I just cannot.
00:17:44.000 because I was in so much pain. I laid down on the floor and then the security guard yelled at me for
00:17:49.580 laying on the floor. I was going to fight the security guard. It was going to be like that
00:17:52.900 scene in the pit where, you know, someone punches Dana and I'm like, I don't want to punch Dana.
00:17:57.080 And so then I went to urgent care the next morning and they're like, you have terrible
00:17:59.980 pneumonia. You have to go back to the ER. And I did. And it was another six hours. And I posted
00:18:05.680 it on my Instagram. And then like, you know, the director of medicine for the hospital is like,
00:18:09.200 oh my gosh, we have to help this person, but only because I had, you know, 39,000 Instagram
00:18:14.480 followers. So the other thing in that situation that women should know, like chest pain is 0.96
00:18:19.520 something that moves a person typically, usually to the front of the line. So if you say, you know, 0.81
00:18:26.180 as a woman, you go in knowing, just be like, I know women's pain is underplayed and under
00:18:32.080 evaluated in the emergency room and I'm having crushing chest pain and think I am having a
00:18:36.980 heart attack, you get bumped up a little bit. Like we don't say that. We just say we have chest pain.
00:18:42.280 We describe our symptoms honestly and expect the system to respond perfectly. And so it doesn't.
00:18:48.700 And so if it doesn't, you've got to just say it. And again, this is just a process. And over time,
00:18:53.460 I think more people will know this, but you know, we are allowed to own the fact that there is
00:18:58.740 unconscious and conscious bias against women's experience. Women are far more likely to be 0.93
00:19:05.120 ignored and sent home having actually having a heart attack than men. And there's a reason why 1.00
00:19:10.940 women die more because their pain is kind of blown off as anxiety or you're breathing too quickly. 0.89
00:19:15.580 Like you've got to own it and say, how do you know I'm not having a heart attack? What tests 0.99
00:19:19.980 have you done to rule out the fact that I am not having a heart attack? I want to know what they
00:19:24.500 are medically and write them down. Tell me everything. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Why do I
00:19:29.960 not have the scary diagnosis? What else could this be? What other tests are you doing? And you
00:19:36.160 can't be afraid to say these things. You can't be afraid. Yeah. I mean, we just have to advocate
00:19:41.480 for ourselves. And that's I mean, I love that you are pushing for more women to advocate for
00:19:47.440 themselves. You also talk a lot about how to use AI to get better medical care. AI is something
00:19:55.140 that people in my industry do not like to talk about. I would prefer they talk about it more
00:19:59.620 frankly because we cannot legislate something we can't put boundaries on something that we're not
00:20:04.720 talking about how can women be using ai to actually get better medical care okay i love this comment
00:20:10.720 i'm so glad you asked this like this is like a really pet little pet thing of mine so first of
00:20:15.300 all i want to make it very clear that doctors hospital systems are using ai to better their
00:20:24.640 system care. So first of all, there's a way to use it properly is what I mean say, right? Of course
00:20:30.100 there is. And there's a way to use crappily. Like there's a way to use it crappily. Open Evidence,
00:20:34.800 for example, is a site that is the AI of all of the medical journals, care-reviewed medical
00:20:40.280 journals. And what is this? Open Evidence? It's called Open Evidence. Okay, great. It's basically
00:20:45.280 like JackGBT for doctors, but it's actually drawing from the journals themselves. You have
00:20:50.360 to have a doctor's license and what's called an NPI to have a subscription. So you can't just use
00:20:55.120 it for, and nobody can use it. But the point is that doctors and hospital systems are partnering
00:21:00.120 with open evidence, right? Like Mount Sinai, for example, in the city, that every single provider
00:21:06.220 now at Mount Sinai has access to open evidence, the pharmacists, the nurses, the everybody, so
00:21:12.620 that they can make evidence-based decisions. They can look something up. It's a hell of a lot better
00:21:16.420 than hoping you've read the journal article. So the point is, that's how people should be
00:21:22.320 understanding that I can be safe in medicine. And so the way that I like to recommend that people
00:21:27.880 use it is that when we look up symptoms, when we look up concerns that we have, don't Google them.
00:21:35.740 You don't doctor Google them. Don't ever ask chat. I have this symptom. Could I have, you know,
00:21:42.700 cancer is this, well, ask it to diagnose you. Instead, go to trusted medical search engines
00:21:49.520 like PubMed, Cochrane Database, Medline. You can even go on like Harvard or the Mayo Clinic's
00:21:57.160 website. Copy and highlight everything you don't understand while the doctor words, it looks so
00:22:03.020 intimidating. Take that paragraph, put that into your AI search engine of choice and say, tell me
00:22:08.000 like I'm in whatever grade, your highest education. Tell me this in language I can understand.
00:22:12.700 and tell me how to ask the doctors at my next visit
00:22:15.620 to make sure that this isn't going on.
00:22:18.140 And you can use it to help prepare you.
00:22:20.420 And all of this, you can literally take
00:22:22.120 a scientific paragraph from nature 0.98
00:22:24.980 where I don't understand half the frigging words 0.95
00:22:26.640 and say to chat, tell this to me 0.97
00:22:29.520 like it was a Taylor Swift song.
00:22:31.000 And it will.
00:22:31.920 If I tell, I swear to God, it's really pretty cool.
00:22:35.740 I did this on a medical meal.
00:22:37.740 I actually love that.
00:22:38.540 Love that so much.
00:22:39.140 I, when my best girlfriend, Glynis, got, you know, her online preacher degree to marry Nick and I, I asked her to work at least nine Taylor Swift lyrics into the vows as she was asking them to us.
00:22:53.460 And she did.
00:22:53.960 But, like, now I'm like, that was 11 years ago. 0.80
00:22:55.860 Chachi BT could do that lickety split.
00:22:58.600 I wish AI didn't exist.
00:23:00.160 It does.
00:23:00.700 But I do think there's certain things that it can help us with.
00:23:03.920 And one of those things might just be managing our health.
00:23:07.500 100%.
00:23:07.820 And I think that, again, if you can use it in a way where you're not asking it for information, but you're using the right source to help it help you more, that's really important.
00:23:18.680 And you can also say, listen, I'm a big apologizer.
00:23:22.100 What is the checklist of things I can bring to my doctor if these are my symptoms?
00:23:25.780 And I think that is just tremendously helpful.
00:23:28.680 All right, let's take one more quick break.
00:23:30.980 And when we get back, I want to talk a little bit about how women's health symptoms are often treated as anxiety and not actual medical problems.
00:23:47.200 Okay, we are back.
00:23:48.760 You know, I think that women's health issues are so often written off as just anxiety, so much so that I feel like I've been gaslit to believe that when I'm sick, it's just anxiety.
00:24:00.980 or that I'm not really sick.
00:24:02.040 Like I was so sick yesterday
00:24:04.720 and yet I still kept doing all of my work
00:24:07.140 because I'm like, oh, you're not really sick.
00:24:08.280 You don't have a fever.
00:24:09.120 Like, right? 1.00
00:24:09.600 It's just like, but I felt like shit. 0.99
00:24:11.600 Okay, so that was the eclipse. 0.99
00:24:12.900 I'm just going to put it out there. 0.99
00:24:14.040 I also felt like shit yesterday. 0.99
00:24:15.820 So that's all good. 0.99
00:24:17.820 I want to say two things about that.
00:24:19.400 First of all, anxiety is a physiologic chicken and egg
00:24:24.100 no matter what you have
00:24:25.580 because there are so many things that affect women
00:24:29.460 that have been...
00:24:30.700 So my book also includes me as a physician, having been gaslit and dismissed for 10 years
00:24:36.040 and told I had a very serious complex mystery illness.
00:24:39.460 And I was told over and over, this is just anxiety.
00:24:42.800 Now, I will tell you, if you have an illness and you do not feel well and you do not have
00:24:47.660 a diagnosis, duh, you're going to have anxiety.
00:24:50.760 It's going to be just what I like to think of as just anxiety is it just means that's
00:24:54.200 the only diagnosis you've been given.
00:24:56.200 And you have anxiety because it's just not the answer.
00:25:00.120 So I think that's a very important thing to acknowledge.
00:25:02.740 Having no diagnosis is anxiety-provoking.
00:25:06.100 Feeling sick is anxiety-provoking.
00:25:08.320 Anxiety is your body telling you there's danger, right?
00:25:11.500 It's a primal response to danger.
00:25:13.520 And being sick and not having a diagnosis is dangerous.
00:25:17.120 Hard stop.
00:25:18.080 So we need to get rid of all of that.
00:25:20.260 And my favorite answer to when a doctor looks at you is that this is just anxiety.
00:25:24.220 You could say, actually, I'm working with a therapist and she thinks I'm doing totally fine.
00:25:28.860 This is a physical symptom and we need to figure it out because it's giving me anxious feelings.
00:25:34.320 So that's the first thing.
00:25:35.840 I also want to point out that there are a lot of medical diagnoses, endometriosis, for example, mast cell activation, for example, all of these things, ME-CFS, long COVID.
00:25:46.680 These are all these kind of complex Freudian illnesses, many of which come with a heightened state of inflammation in the linings of your body.
00:25:56.480 And part of what becomes inflamed in many of those situations is the blood-brain barrier, is the brain.
00:26:04.040 So there is an exacerbation of neuroinflammation that can absolutely, mast cells, for example,
00:26:12.160 which are the cells that burst open and release histamine, which is a fight-or-flight signaler,
00:26:17.480 mast cells sit in huge numbers right at the vagus nerve.
00:26:20.900 And the vagus nerve is the master keeper of our autonomic nervous system, which controls fight or flight.
00:26:27.900 So hand in hand with diagnoses that are often dismissed, go things that are chemically happening in our body to make us feel wildly, wildly anxious.
00:26:39.120 So it is not just chicken and eggs, but it's also one and the same.
00:26:42.640 I mean, I just, again, we can't say it enough.
00:26:44.880 I think that women are dismissed so often and it's just infuriating.
00:26:49.360 you mentioned endometriosis. It's not something I've ever dealt with personally, but a lot of my
00:26:54.420 friends have. And they were dismissed for years, for decades. Endometriosis is a particularly
00:27:01.520 fascinating condition for me to talk about because, first of all, up to one in 10 women have it. It's
00:27:06.420 one of these mystery illnesses that women are told is just part of being a woman that's actually
00:27:12.600 receiving a tremendous amount of attention because a lot of young women are being diagnosed. And the
00:27:17.440 young generation is like, we're not going to take the same shit our mothers did. And they're 1.00
00:27:21.280 actually doing something about it. There's also money going into it and there are scientific
00:27:25.860 advances being made. We are moving towards diagnosing endometriosis now without surgery,
00:27:32.460 which is a huge deal. So there are advances happening in real time. And so, you know,
00:27:36.780 as someone who deals a lot in this space, it's really exciting to see. It's of course not enough
00:27:41.940 fast enough, but there is change happening. Like I think the women are going to step up here and 1.00
00:27:45.940 really, we're going to save the world a little bit. And I don't mean to sound idealistic because
00:27:50.100 we have so many problems. But endometriosis is really a particularly fascinating and exciting
00:27:58.040 condition to watch right now because of all of the change that's happening so quickly.
00:28:02.640 The things that we don't know about women's bodies are insane to me. And yet the fact that,
00:28:08.100 you know, men over 50 can't get a fucking erection has been fixed for the past 30 years, 0.99
00:28:13.740 right it's just like also i don't think those men should be having erections i think that nature 0.99
00:28:18.000 for a reason totally they shouldn't let's all right so let's say over 60 or over something 1.00
00:28:23.280 right it's just like the world is telling you no more penis okay just put your gross penis away 1.00
00:28:29.540 that's right and yet women still can't get a fucking anesthesia when you get an iud put in 1.00
00:28:34.920 it's insane it's insane it's really it's really insane and i think that we've just been so quieted 0.99
00:28:41.480 for so long. And another thing that's really difficult, and I've navigated this in sort of
00:28:46.720 finding my own way in this social media maelstrom, is that, you know, an angry woman oftentimes is
00:28:54.540 not listened to as much as a less angry woman. So it's a really difficult thing to navigate,
00:29:00.320 right? Because it's easy to dismiss people yelling and screaming and angry, but we're all
00:29:06.440 so freaking angry. So it's like, how do you, right? We're so mad. So how do you navigate this
00:29:14.240 in the right way to really make change with basically another species? I mean, men are 1.00
00:29:19.760 another species. They're amazing men. I mean, look at Kevin Reddington and my husband's a really good
00:29:24.240 guy and he's an OBGYN. Like there's, there's, there's men who are not part of the patriarchy
00:29:29.280 and women who are. And I think that's ultimately what we have to point out, right? Like it's the
00:29:35.020 patriarchal system of medicine that is broken and that can be male or female. 0.99
00:29:40.640 I mean, like, yes, there are women doing bad things in the world. Generally, though, 0.99
00:29:44.420 I do think that women would run the world better. But there's also good men. And I think,
00:29:49.340 you know, one of our goals should be to nurture good men. I'm trying to think about it every day.
00:29:54.260 It's raising a nine-year-old boy.
00:29:55.960 Yep, exactly. I mean, I have a 23-year-old son, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:30:01.300 And I think that's really, really, really important. And so, you know, I know that it seems a little unnecessary when it comes up sort of about like, you know, the effect of endometriosis on men. Like, really, can we just put our money somewhere else? However, however, in a perfect world, you know, the empathetic man needs to be nurtured and cultivated.
00:30:23.620 Exactly.
00:30:24.340 And that doesn't make them weak. It makes them a better man.
00:30:27.040 I mean, I just did a whole podcast series for Baby List on on birth.
00:30:33.240 And it was great because we talked to like doctors and real women.
00:30:36.540 And I just joke with all the OBGYNs that I talked to.
00:30:39.580 I was like, we should do a whole other series on on fixing birth, on just like fixing women's health, which I think would do really well.
00:30:47.400 I mean, maybe it's an offshoot of Under the Influence. 0.84
00:30:49.160 Well, and also, I think the other thing to address that that really is critical about fixing women's health right now is because of, you know, some big, big, beautiful bill, there is a maternity desert in every state in the country. 0.96
00:31:04.220 There are rural hospitals closing down. There has to be a solution. 80 percent of our states have maternity care deserts, which means that women have to travel at least 30 minutes for care. 0.92
00:31:16.000 So we've got to figure something out, whether that's, you know, doulas or midwives that are in vans that are driving across the state for care.
00:31:23.680 I mean, we have a really, really significant problem that is just festering right under our noses.
00:31:29.200 And that's got to be addressed, too. Right. It's not just, you know, in the billionaire's vagina club room or the labor rooms in New York City.
00:31:35.700 It's a crisis that's happening. Totally. Totally. I mean, and there's solutions, right? 0.97
00:31:39.860 like again like you give a woman a problem and she's like okay love this idea let's like let's
00:31:45.760 get an ambulance and just travel like i'll be a traveling midwife i'll be a traveling doula
00:31:51.160 we can do this we can get this done we just need a little bit of funding right and instead we're
00:31:56.120 gonna bomb around yeah yeah that's right right exactly i could have you on 19 times um i'd like
00:32:03.060 you to go back on the show tell will you tell everyone where they can find you and tell us a 0.99
00:32:06.980 little bit about your butt. I'd love it. Oh, I'd love to. That's great. So I am on Tracy Chevelle 0.99
00:32:12.100 MD. It's my website. It's my Instagram handle. It's my TikTok handle. I don't really go on TikTok
00:32:16.460 as much as Instagram. I feel like Instagram is more personal. I have a sub stack out called,
00:32:21.000 it's just coming back to life. It's called More Than Medicine with Dr. Tracy. And I have a book
00:32:25.360 coming out January 26, 2027. It's my first book. It's like, I call it my fourth baby. Like my
00:32:31.940 business was my third child right and this is my fourth and final baby for right now it's called
00:32:37.180 labor and deliverance reclaiming the healing in women's health it is made up of stories because
00:32:43.140 ultimately stories will save us all it's more or less true stories there's some fictionalized data
00:32:49.420 to protect patient privacy but it's nine patient stories the story of my own journey through
00:32:54.360 complex mystery illness and dismissal and it's broken into the medical emotional and spiritual
00:32:59.040 sides of being well as a woman with action items thrown in there as well. It sounds so, so good.
00:33:05.040 Thank you so much for being here today. It was such a pleasure. Bye.
00:33:29.040 Thank you.