Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - September 02, 2021


Bonus: I Wiped My Kids From My Instagram

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22 minutes

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00:00:00.000 A few months ago, maybe like six months ago, time doesn't make any fucking sense anymore. 0.52
00:00:06.220 I don't know what year it is.
00:00:07.320 I don't know what day of the week it is.
00:00:09.420 But a while ago, something strange happened at the playground with my kids.
00:00:17.080 Now, it wasn't like Michael's parking lot weird and I didn't do a big broadcast about it, but it was weird.
00:00:25.020 So here's what happened.
00:00:26.080 In fact, Tia, our wonderful caregiver, the incredible woman who helps me take care of my kids, who helps me raise my kids, she can explain what happened a little bit better than I can.
00:00:38.340 This woman came up to me and she knew Bea.
00:00:41.580 She used to babysit for Bea, she said, and she knew you.
00:00:45.360 And then she was asking about if you still work at Penn, if you still teach there or anything and how the family is.
00:00:53.120 Right.
00:00:53.360 And then she started asking, what do I do for you?
00:00:55.380 Yeah.
00:00:56.080 But she never had a babysitter that wasn't you.
00:01:00.420 Yeah.
00:01:01.600 It's weird.
00:01:02.620 I know.
00:01:03.320 I was so surprised when you told me.
00:01:07.500 It's creepy.
00:01:09.020 Did it creep you out?
00:01:10.940 When you told me you don't know her.
00:01:12.380 I don't know her.
00:01:13.060 I've never met this woman.
00:01:14.080 I have no idea who she is.
00:01:14.580 I was surprised.
00:01:16.140 So I was freaked out.
00:01:19.280 I was freaked out that this stranger was asking questions about my kids,
00:01:24.880 who she had clearly never met. But a part of me also questioned myself because I'm like, well,
00:01:32.160 what? Did I just forget this woman? Is this my fault? Because the first months after you have
00:01:37.540 a newborn baby are just kind of like being blackout drunk on tequila. So I blew it off.
00:01:43.620 I blew it off. Even though I made a whole episode about how strangers can see our kids on Instagram.
00:01:49.140 It's called the Sharon hood. If you haven't listened yet, it's going to freak you the F out.
00:01:53.620 But I didn't think about it again until this influencer that I follow, Jess Kirby, posted something on her feed that made it absolutely inescapable.
00:02:03.380 I wasn't going to say anything about this on here.
00:02:07.020 And maybe I'm going to regret it.
00:02:09.460 But I'm so pissed off right now that I don't care.
00:02:13.460 Someone went up to my babysitter at the park. 1.00
00:02:16.020 make a long story short she made up a whole thing about how she was my college roommate 1.00
00:02:21.300 and wanted my phone number first of all all of it was a lie I'm pretty sure she gave her a fake name
00:02:28.560 and I'm just like I I'm just truly shook at how inappropriate and insane the whole
00:02:41.260 scenario it was there's just so many things wrong with the whole interaction obviously my sitter
00:02:51.620 didn't give her my number she told her to send her a dm if she wants to contact me um but i've
00:02:58.360 completely deleted marin from my social media i'll never post her on here again save me the dms
00:03:04.040 lecturing me about the fact that i shouldn't have my kid on instagram like i don't need to hear that
00:03:08.380 right now. If you don't see what is so wildly wrong with that interaction, I don't know what
00:03:14.980 to tell you. But I hope for this person's sake, I never find out who it is.
00:03:25.560 I called Jess to talk because I needed someone to connect with who had gone through something
00:03:31.020 similar. And unlike some people, I wasn't going to make a live video and say, oh my gosh, look
00:03:36.760 what happened to me in the Michaels parking lot. So yeah, I rang her up. Hi. Hi. Oh, hang on. Sorry.
00:03:44.420 Let me shut my door. Yeah, no worries. Also, you're going to be able to hear my kids. I asked her to
00:03:48.000 walk me through step by step exactly what happened to her. My babysitter was at the park with my
00:03:53.900 daughter. And we live in a small town. So everybody kind of knows everyone. And I've had people like
00:04:02.020 reach out before on Instagram to say like, oh, I think I saw your daughter at the park. She's so
00:04:09.180 cute. Or a friend of a friend will go up to my sitter and say, oh my God, is that, you know,
00:04:14.500 Jess's daughter? And it's not weird to me because it's like, yeah, you know, obviously they've seen
00:04:19.080 her picture online. That feels normal. But a woman approached my daughter in the park and
00:04:25.460 addressed her by her name. And my sitter was kind of taken aback because it was just like,
00:04:31.080 she went up to my daughter first and my sitter didn't recognize her. So she just kind of picked
00:04:37.980 her up and went over to the swings and was like, that was weird. And then the woman came up to her
00:04:43.560 again at the swings and told her this whole story about how we went to college together
00:04:49.820 and we were college roommates and the college that she said I went to, I didn't go to. So
00:04:55.480 that was the first red flag for my babysitter. And then she told her this whole story about how
00:05:01.000 She had bumped into my partner Craig and I downtown the week before, and we had had drinks, which also wasn't true, and then asked my babysitter for my contact information so that she could set up a play date with my daughter and her son.
00:05:18.080 and that was when my babysitter was just like this is not okay took my daughter got in the car 0.99
00:05:24.700 left the park and immediately called me and I flipped I flipped my shit 0.95
00:05:32.640 first of all the thing that I still can't wrap my head around and I try not to think about it too 0.98
00:05:38.780 much because I will spiral is the lying like the made-up story I don't understand that I don't
00:05:46.520 understand why she made up all these things. And I don't understand if she wanted to get in touch
00:05:53.180 with me, why she wouldn't just send me a message on Instagram, which my babysitter told her to do.
00:06:00.100 She didn't give out my contact information. So kudos to her. But yeah, I mean, I basically 1.00
00:06:05.280 immediately hung up from that phone call from my babysitter and just wiped my daughter offline
00:06:09.760 completely.
00:06:14.160 This was so much like what happened to me that it sent, like, this is a cliche, but it
00:06:19.520 said chills down my spine.
00:06:21.900 And Jess just made the call.
00:06:24.300 She made the decision so quickly, the way that I think only a mother can do.
00:06:29.480 She took her daughter's image offline.
00:06:31.560 She's like, we're not doing this anymore.
00:06:33.580 And this matters because Jess makes content about her life. 1.00
00:06:38.220 So scrubbing any part of it means scrubbing parts of it that make her money. 1.00
00:06:44.600 Let me put Jess Kirby's career in perspective so that we can understand what it meant for her business to take her kid off all of her pictures. 1.00
00:06:55.460 Years and years ago, Jess moved to New York City hoping to get a job in fashion.
00:07:00.720 but let's be honest, getting a job in fashion or fashion magazines is really hard without
00:07:06.440 connections or family money to support you while you work for free. So Jess was not any of those
00:07:11.700 people. She wasn't. She started a blog, mostly just taking pictures of her outfits, and eventually
00:07:17.340 she's like, fuck New York. She moved home to Newport, Rhode Island with her partner, 0.99
00:07:21.840 kept posting things on the blog and on the social media. She started writing more and more about
00:07:26.900 sustainable fashion, and then she got accidentally pregnant. And so that, again, sort of shifted my
00:07:36.300 content a bit, mainly just because my pregnancy was brutal. Once I finally shared that I was
00:07:43.280 pregnant, it was just a lot of me talking about how difficult of an experience it was, partially
00:07:51.480 because i could barely work i could barely get out of bed for more than more than half of it
00:07:57.300 and then it's kind of you know it's kind of just morphed from there it all morphed from there into
00:08:04.540 an instagram account with 137 000 followers she's got a beautifully curated blog and there
00:08:11.160 all of a sudden is bam this career that supports her entire family are you at all worried about
00:08:18.240 your business not continuing to thrive with taking your daughter off? Are you like, no,
00:08:24.480 it's actually not going to matter for me, for my bottom line? No. Yeah. I don't think it matters
00:08:29.880 because like I said in the beginning, I knew I never wanted my business to rely on my daughter
00:08:36.600 as part of my bottom line or partnership. So she was part of my content again, because
00:08:43.460 you know, we have to remember a large portion of the content we share as content creators or
00:08:50.580 influencers or bloggers or whatever you want to say is not paid. So that's a huge portion of the
00:08:56.360 content I share. So most, so the content I was sharing with my daughter, it's not like I was
00:09:00.660 getting paid for that. It's just, again, giving people a window into my life, but I think I can
00:09:05.800 do that still in a way that doesn't include her or at least photos of her. So yeah, no, I'm not,
00:09:15.460 I'm, I'm truly honestly not worried about that at all. You know, in a way it's probably why
00:09:22.980 it was easy. It's easier for me to do it. You know, it's easier for me to just say, no, she's
00:09:28.780 done because my, my bottom line does not, and has not ever relied on having her in my content.
00:09:34.060 I imagine it becomes more difficult when a huge part of your brand and your business involves having your kids in it.
00:09:46.580 And there are creators out there where so much more does depend on that.
00:09:50.740 Yeah.
00:09:51.600 Which is why I think there has to be grace for everyone to make their own decisions.
00:09:55.200 Right.
00:09:57.800 So much to think about.
00:09:59.540 Yeah, I'm telling you, your podcast put me into a little bit of a spiral.
00:10:10.060 Well, God, I mean, like I said, it put me into a spiral too.
00:10:14.220 It continues to put me into a spiral on a daily basis.
00:10:16.980 But not in a bad way.
00:10:18.440 It just, it really made me really critically think about a lot of things, which I think is good.
00:10:22.660 I think I was blissfully ignorant a little bit. 0.96
00:10:26.620 you know, it took a really fucked up experience to make me completely 0.97
00:10:32.100 reevaluate what I was doing. It always takes a fucked up experience to make us reevaluate 0.98
00:10:37.600 what we're doing now. Fair. I mean, everything. Like I had to date like the most fucked up guys 0.99
00:10:45.540 in New York City to then be like, oh, I should marry this nice guy who really likes me and 1.00
00:10:50.520 come on like that's what life is you've got to fuck up to be able to figure it out yeah totally 0.98
00:10:58.260 totally i'd ask jess kirby how our audience reacted when she took her daughter off instagram 0.99
00:11:06.080 because if we know anything is that everyone has a reaction to what we do on the internet as women
00:11:11.600 It was incredibly supportive, zero judgment, and sad. I think a lot of bloggers and people
00:11:23.320 who are on Instagram talk about how they have great communities, and they do. And I feel like
00:11:29.100 I have a phenomenal community. I mean, it really is an amazing group of mostly women that are just
00:11:38.920 there for each other. And I think that, you know, there's, like I said, there's a lot of women who
00:11:44.760 have kids, my age, or they're raising kids, women, my mom's age, who have daughters, my age,
00:11:51.060 and also people without kids who just enjoyed that aspect of my life of sharing my daughter
00:11:58.460 because it was joyful. And so there was a lot of sadness about me taking her off and not sharing
00:12:05.240 her anymore. But it was all just basically like, we get it. And we're sad that this had to happen.
00:12:11.780 But we support you 100%. And here's the crazy thing. We're about to have, guys,
00:12:19.140 guys, get ready for this. We are about to have that big aha moment. When Jess posted this video,
00:12:26.280 she heard from a ton of other influencers that they were thinking about doing the same exact
00:12:31.460 thing. We've talked about it so many times, but I haven't done it. No one I know has done it.
00:12:36.700 No one else has taken their kids off Instagram, but just did it. And now all these women are 1.00
00:12:41.500 writing to her saying, maybe it's time I take my kids off my Instagram feed.
00:12:46.680 It's really interesting because when I talked about my decision to take my daughter off the
00:12:52.400 internet after everything that happened, and one, I was met with a lot of support,
00:12:58.420 But I was also met with a lot of comments from friends of mine, many of whom have much bigger followings than I have, kind of saying, you know, we're phasing out having our kids online.
00:13:14.180 And I do wonder if we're going to see a movement of people more and more, not just people who live their lives on the internet, everyone kind of rethinking having their kids online.
00:13:25.660 I think about this every day, taking my kids off the social media, and still, I don't do it. And then I hate myself for not doing it. And then I take another picture of them. And I post it, maybe because I'm a terrible, terrible, selfish mother. And I said this to Jess.
00:13:43.380 As much as I'm trying to phase my kids out, I do.
00:13:47.040 There's an adorable picture of them.
00:13:49.020 We're hiking upstate.
00:13:50.540 And I'm like, I want to show this to people.
00:13:52.680 And I'm so curious.
00:13:53.700 I'm like, what is that impulse in me that I want to show it to people?
00:13:57.800 And I think about dissecting that all the time.
00:14:00.220 And I'm not even making money here.
00:14:02.440 Right.
00:14:03.040 Well, I think for me, because I've thought about this a lot over the last week,
00:14:09.240 I thought about why
00:14:11.020 one why am I so sad
00:14:13.560 that like I'm not going to share
00:14:15.720 my daughter anymore online I was relieved
00:14:17.800 and sad at the same time but also
00:14:19.480 why do
00:14:21.720 I share her and
00:14:23.340 it really came back to like I'm
00:14:25.660 sharing her for me it's
00:14:27.720 not for her like I'm sharing
00:14:29.880 her because I like the
00:14:31.760 validation if I'm being frank
00:14:33.920 I like that I have
00:14:35.840 this community of people that's saying
00:14:37.980 like oh my god we love her she's so cute but that's not for her that's for me same and and
00:14:45.820 i'm not i'm not saying that that's all bad i think as mothers and as women like we deserve validation
00:14:53.200 this point this right here hit me really hard we talked about this all last season none of this is
00:15:01.460 anything new but again it's really hard to break a habit and I wanted to ask myself why do I share
00:15:08.560 pictures of my kids I said this before too I can blab about how I want their relatives to see them
00:15:15.040 blah blah blah but if I'm honest and it's freaking hard to be honest it's all for me just for me 0.82
00:15:22.540 like I said it just it makes me feel like I freaking suck when I stripped it all away and
00:15:29.300 I just asked myself the question, why are you sharing her? It was for me. I can't justify that,
00:15:38.860 you know? So, and I'm not saying that to say like anyone should feel bad about sharing their kids
00:15:46.780 online. I'm not, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying it's all bad. It's just from, for,
00:15:52.220 from a personal decision it was like no this is this feels right to just totally
00:16:00.060 strip it all away and and honestly I have no regrets I really don't and I mentioned this
00:16:09.140 before but a lot of women who also do what I do saying this is horrifying and this is making me
00:16:17.820 rethink how I share my kids online. I think more and more people are just starting to evaluate
00:16:29.520 their relationship with it and their relationship with social media in general. I deleted Twitter
00:16:34.340 years ago. I don't even have a Twitter account. I don't go on Facebook. And it's funny because
00:16:39.300 I have friends who are kind of also in this world who are like, how do you not, you live in like a
00:16:47.480 bubble, but your job is literally to be an influencer, a blogger, an Instagram or whatever.
00:16:53.660 But I've been able to make it work. I feel like there's this pressure when you do this for a job
00:17:01.500 that you have to be everywhere and do everything. And I found a way to do it without doing that.
00:17:07.980 And I had to. I had to for my own mental health. And also just because I want to live my life.
00:17:16.080 i don't want to be tied to my freaking phone all day social media and instagram it's so brand new
00:17:25.160 and i don't think that we give ourselves and like we don't say enough about how new it is and how we
00:17:30.180 don't know how to navigate it and we don't know what we're doing and so if we could just honestly
00:17:34.100 ask these questions and i don't post your kids don't post your kids like i'm i feel i'm like i
00:17:39.500 give everyone the grace to do what whatever i'm like don't put don't lock your kids in a dog cage
00:17:44.280 But as long as you're not letting your kids in a dog cage, then cool, you do what is right for you.
00:17:51.800 But I think hearing what other women are doing and why we're making those decisions, it helps all of us figure things out a little bit better.
00:18:02.220 Well, and to be honest with you, and I told you this when you had emailed me, I hadn't listened to your podcast before you had reached out.
00:18:09.400 I listened to the whole thing afterwards. And when I listened to your Sharenting episode,
00:18:18.120 it just, it sent me into a little bit of a spiral because all I thought about was
00:18:24.240 like, oh my God, what am I doing? Even if it's with good intentions and I'm not
00:18:32.780 quote-unquote exploiting her I'm I'm putting her on the internet and she's a baby and what
00:18:41.820 is that going to mean five to ten years from now for her so that really freaked me out
00:18:49.360 and and also just honestly I felt like for me validated my decision to not do it anymore
00:18:56.260 okay so Jess inspired me once more to again reconsider what I'm doing I just got back from
00:19:07.840 a family vacation in Wyoming was lovely really lovely it was the best and I posted a bunch of
00:19:13.120 pictures of my family and my kids and now I've got to take them off but I keep thinking about
00:19:21.980 the economic realities of why I stay on Instagram. And this is an economic reality. I am not an
00:19:27.940 influencer. We know that. Terrible being an influencer. But I do write books. And Instagram
00:19:32.800 is a way that I reach people who might read my books. And I have a new novel coming out in the
00:19:38.740 fall. Big plug, guys. Please pre-order it. Please, everybody, so I can get the fuck off Instagram.
00:19:44.060 It's called We Are Not Like Them. It's really lovely. But I really do most of my marketing 0.87
00:19:49.660 on Instagram and I can't just post books, books, books, books, books all the time. That doesn't
00:19:54.220 feel authentic. And besides, we know the Instagram algorithm won't give me any engagement from that
00:19:59.020 Instagram algorithm overlords want babies, babies, babies. And I, but okay, just, but just made me 0.97
00:20:08.720 think, what does my Instagram account look like without my kids? What if I just wipe it? What if
00:20:12.580 I wipe most of it clean? What if I take 80% of the pictures of my kids off my Instagram account
00:20:16.660 right now?
00:20:19.660 so i did it i deleted my kids from my instagram it was and i'm actually i'm hiding in the bathroom
00:20:33.720 right now recording this so it's a little echoey and i'm sorry but it was a weird experience as i
00:20:41.360 was deleting them i'm deleting these individual pictures there's this part of me that weirdly
00:20:47.060 felt like I was erasing their existence. And part of me felt bad, like I no longer was acknowledging
00:20:54.300 them as my children. But of course, that's just what the Instagram overlords want us to think,
00:21:01.000 isn't it? And by the end of it, it felt kind of good. Not the deleting, but the just
00:21:10.820 the freedom of it, the thought that I'm going to spend time with my kids
00:21:17.960 without thinking about how I'll post their picture.
00:21:23.800 What's going to happen next? What am I going to post in their place?
00:21:28.200 Is anyone going to keep following me? Well, you guys are going to find out on season two.
00:21:35.180 Season two is coming along quite nicely. Cannot wait to share it with you,
00:21:39.080 and we might have another bonus before then, too.
00:21:41.000 So don't go too far away.
00:21:43.180 I miss everybody.
00:21:51.060 This bonus episode was written and created by me, Joe Piazza.
00:21:56.060 Our executive producer and sorceress is Emily Marinoff,
00:22:00.120 and we received production help from Abu Zafar. 0.97
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