00:05:24.720And maybe we'll have more conversations about this.
00:05:26.880As always, I want to hear from all of you. So, with no further ado, let's get Emily on this microphone.
00:05:40.300Now, for our audience members who haven't seen this, because I do want to recognize the fact that things happen, things go viral, and we miss them because there's too many things in the world right now.
00:05:52.180uh also things go viral and it's uh all encompassing for a 24-hour news cycle and then it the news
00:05:59.960cycle moves on and the news cycle i'm talking about is like tiktok slash maybe instagram
00:06:04.420it's always remarkable so yeah so this what happened is harrison butker who is that is his
00:06:10.780name okay i didn't i didn't even know how to pronounce his name but it's harrison butker
00:06:13.740um who is a kicker on the chiefs which is a football team i don't know what a kicker does
00:06:19.340but there's been a lot of jokes about it and i've been laughing um and the chiefs is the team at
00:06:25.060travis kelsey is on taylor swift's boyfriend which is the salience of the chiefs um and so
00:06:30.840harrison is a this is apparently well known his political ideology is very well known amongst
00:06:37.280circles who care about these people um and he gave a graduation speech at a catholic college
00:06:43.440and this 20-minute graduation speech is just rife with little things that you can pick off
00:06:50.660for the internet and the thing that has gone super viral is he talks about this lie that has
00:06:56.500been told to women that having a career and getting promotions will make them happy and that
00:07:01.120true happiness can be found in their real vocation which is being a wife and mother. Now there's a lot
00:07:07.600that I take issue with with this and you know I just I said this in the intro too because my goal
00:07:14.880is also never to attack or divide women here on this show or on my social media so I do like to
00:07:21.400say if you choose to be a woman who works in the home cool good for you that has nothing to do with
00:07:30.240this my i mean chief among my many issues with this speech one is a man telling women what their
00:07:40.160vocation what any vocation should be um and two saying your highest and quite possibly only
00:07:46.600vocation should be wife and mother and i think people found it exceptionally rich that he was
00:07:53.280saying this at a graduation ceremony where there are women sitting in the audience graduating from
00:07:57.700college literally graduating from college I mean these are women who just accomplished something
00:08:06.740awesome right like you know especially let's think about time right now the breadth of like time and
00:08:14.420women and I think about this a lot you know because when I was writing Sicilian Inheritance
00:08:18.500the past timeline is not set that long ago it's a hundred years ago and girls didn't go to school
00:08:25.580much less college so the fact that these women got to go to college graduate from college
00:08:31.520that's amazing and then he is essentially saying but do not use anything you've learned
00:08:37.700you don't this this is this is it this is it for you yeah and i think what he's saying is i'm
00:08:43.860telling you what your true vocation is like real women this is what they care about and it's also
00:08:51.540I think from the lens of as a man with exceptional power, as a man who's idealized in our society as
00:08:58.480a big time football player, this is what men like me are thinking. And it's a message that he's
00:09:03.760sending. Yes. Men like me, men, men. Well, here, here's another thing. And then I want to dive
00:09:09.620into all of the through lines that this connects to. The word masculine is getting used a lot
00:09:15.420lately. A lot, a lot. And in this context, in that, you know, masculine men are these
00:09:25.500providers. Masculine men make sure that their wives stay home and take care of their kids.0.78
00:09:32.820Masculine men are one specific thing. I don't just think his speech was toxic for the women
00:09:38.060in the audience. I think this concept of masculinity is increasingly toxic for young
00:09:43.800men who maybe that's not the world they want to live in. Maybe that's not the kind of man they
00:09:49.400want to be like what this idea of what a quote unquote masculine man is, is being co-opted in
00:09:56.740a very specific way right now. I mean, I think the bigger picture for all of this is that people
00:10:03.340like Harrison Bucker think there's one way to live. There's one right way. And there's a certain
00:10:09.900If you're a man, you should be like this. And if you're a woman, you should be like this. There's no one in the middle. There's no one who can move. And that our legal and political structures should incentivize and restrict people who want to live outside of those boundaries. And that's the problem, right?0.99
00:10:25.160Like, if people want to live trad femme lives, like, go for it, have fun, whatever.0.96
00:11:21.160It's a very victimized, special snowflake way of living. And it's intentional, right? Like this isn't some unintentional comms strategy. It's very much about making sure that people who are his audience view themselves as victims, view themselves as under attack. And so it justifies going after the majority.
00:11:41.580Yes, yes, and yes, absolutely. So I want to draw a through line here. I want to talk about how this speech isn't just one speech in a vacuum. What is the bigger picture here that is happening in our country?
00:11:58.160So there is a right wing movement and it's it has many names, right? We can call it the manga movement. We can call it Christian nationalism. I prefer the term biblical conservatism.
00:12:11.160conservatism. But there is this very, very strong Christian evangelical religious tinged political
00:12:20.220movement to reestablish political hegemony, I think is the word. But I always I always have
00:12:26.700to Google hegemony to make sure I'm using it correctly. I've never known if it's hegemony or
00:12:31.340hegemony or hegemony. That's a great question. Well, you know, people who read a lot are the
00:12:36.820people who mispronounce words. So I always like to pat myself on the back if I don't know what
00:12:41.760how to actually pronounce a word, because it means I've only just been reading it all these years.
00:12:45.880And, you know, they are this isn't a movement that's like isolated in churches. Right. This
00:12:51.540is a movement that has a profound and significant political and legal structure to enact massive
00:12:59.360change. And they have been working on this for 50 years. So when you think about the overturning of
00:13:04.460Roe v. Wade. Like Roe v. Wade wasn't just suddenly overturned. There was a significant
00:13:10.240cultural movement. There was a organization called Alliance Defending Freedom and an organization
00:13:17.020called ALEC, which worked to write model laws that then got passed in states. So a state like
00:13:23.460Mississippi could pass a model law infringing on the right to abortion. And then there's legal0.99
00:13:28.180Advocacy groups like the Federalist Society, which has received literally billions of dollars to stack the judiciary with judges and justices who would make these choices to change our laws, you know, and people who bring about this type of litigation.
00:13:44.540It's this massive, massive project to reshape America through this vision of biblical conservatism, a world in which our laws and policies are ones based on a very specific interpretation of the Bible.
00:13:58.520And I mean, when men were men and women were women and women don't have access to reproductive rights, women are meant to be in the home.0.82
00:14:08.980Women are meant to be having an unlimited amount of babies until we essentially die.0.94
00:14:14.540Yeah. And because we will eventually we will eventually die in childbirth.1.00
00:14:19.580We will eventually until we get replaced by a newer, younger model, because there's also people going after child marriage laws.0.94
00:14:26.920You know, we there's no no fault divorce anymore.
00:14:30.200We can't get out of abusive relationships.1.00
00:14:32.620There is no equal protections for women in the workplace.
00:14:35.720You know, all of these things are connected and they feel very abstract, but they're all connected to this very, very specific vision of what America should be.
00:14:46.460And when we're talking about MAGA, what they're talking about is this like Pleasantville, idealized, completely manufactured vision of America as a Christian nation where white people will write men get to go to work and make all the jokes that they want and have a wife who doesn't complain, doesn't talk back, cook some food.
00:15:05.720takes care of the kids and that's the life these men are all working toward um and again if you
00:15:12.540want to live that life like go have fun but the thing is they want all of us to live that life
00:15:16.840they want all of us to live that life they do want to take away choice and that is a big issue here
00:15:21.220we are going to take a very quick break uh before we do i want to recognize that my very masculine
00:15:27.020husband just brought me a fresh coffee and a lovely and a lovely buttered cinnamon toast
00:15:32.580because for me, that is what masculinity is.
00:16:26.380But what does Harrison Butker, it's Harrison Butker, right?
00:16:30.680I mean, we were asking the wrong person.
00:16:32.580but i think so that's what i've heard on tiktok you've heard on tiktok and you know if tiktok
00:16:37.420says it it's gospel um harrison butker who's a punter for the kansas city chiefs um kicker
00:16:43.160are kickers and punters the same thing i believe kickers and punters are the same thing they kick
00:16:47.160they kick the ball they kick they all sure sure they kick the ball through the goal post
00:16:50.460i you know it's a very important position on a team you can occasionally get three points for
00:16:57.140your team. This is what I know. Also, I hate the Kansas City Chiefs, despite the fact that I love
00:17:03.880Kelsey brothers, because the Eagles' old coach, Andy Reid, is their coach, and they beat us in
00:17:10.780the Super Bowl. So fuck you, Kansas City. Fuck you for a lot of reasons. But now Harrison Butker1.00
00:17:14.520makes me hate them even more. Okay, Harrison Butker's speech. I want to connect that to the
00:17:21.040popularity of trad wives on social media go you know i think that one of the things that we see
00:17:32.420with trad wives and there was a really interesting article in the times yesterday by jessica gross
00:17:37.020about how like trad wives are really for the male gaze they're not for the female gaze and i'm not
00:17:42.880sure that totally captures what trad wives are because yeah i mean there's like the craziest of
00:17:49.520Tradwives, but then there's also sort of the cultural conversations that all this Tradwife
00:17:54.820stuff starts. And people like Alex Clark from Turning Point USA, who is not a Tradwife,
00:18:00.760but is going on about how Harrison Bucker was right. And, you know, this is this is the true0.99
00:18:06.520path of womanhood. And she's not she's not even married. She's a woman in her 30s who's single,
00:18:10.740but she is articulating these political views. And I think a lot of what Tradwives ideology is0.56
00:18:17.820about and that strategy is about is talking women talking to other women about how this is the true
00:18:25.820path to happiness and especially at a time when so many people are struggling and we are looking
00:18:33.460you know we are overwhelmed with uh the economy we're overwhelmed with putting the kids to bed
00:18:38.880we're overwhelmed with jobs that are like unbearable in the world of 24 7 workplaces um
00:18:46.160You know, people are working multiple jobs to put food on the table and they're saying, look, there is a solution to all of your problems and it's just to live this trad life lifestyle.
00:18:55.800And if you move to the country and homeschool your kids and leave all of your decisions up to your husband, you'll suddenly be happy.
00:19:03.500And that is the fallacy that is being sold by TradWive.
00:19:08.720And, you know, it's it's starting a homestead, having chickens.
00:19:14.320I've known a lot of people who have had chickens and they do not make you happy is what I'll say.
00:19:41.120like I think people don't realize what assholes chickens can be they're often predators and then1.00
00:19:48.560your kids have to see these dead chickens in the yard like there's a lot we actually have an0.98
00:19:52.440episode coming up uh with a woman who is a hen fluencer um well yeah yeah it's a thing it's a
00:19:59.020thing because chickens on instagram are real big real big so we do have a hen fluencer coming on
00:20:04.760but yes home setting is is not going to make you happy and i i love just gross and i think that
00:20:12.420article was really interesting i do feel like trad wife content is mostly created for the female1.00
00:20:20.280gate um except for that one woman on tiktok who's like blonde and has like the stacked rack0.98
00:20:25.880that one i could say that one i think is also for only fan people um but i but i think the ones
00:20:33.100especially the instagram ones the ones of you know just like beautifully filtered images of a
00:20:42.360super clean house and cooking sourdough and cereal from scratch very slowly these are definitely for
00:20:50.060women men are not watching these yeah and i i honestly i think that the problem with the trad
00:20:54.840wife discourse is that it's hard to pin down like nara smith and ballerina farms are not really
00:21:01.360like the trad wife problem right it it's and it's not even jasmine dennis right who or these sort of
00:21:08.920crunchy wellness mamas um it is it is like the alex clarks of the world it is these random hen
00:21:16.520fluencers who are not necessarily full-time trad wives but who are spouting this content0.79
00:21:23.880amidst their other stuff yes yes yes and yes amidst their other stuff which often includes
00:21:30.740anti-vax content um and anti-choice content is what i will say media matters also recently did
00:21:37.040a study and they found that when you start consuming trad wife content and that you
00:21:42.380immediately get sent into the rabbit hole of anti-vac joe rogan podcaster bro authoritarianism
00:21:50.880light type of stuff and i think that that is the other thing about you know the tradwifery content
00:21:59.160which is it is taking the authoritarianism political strain of MAGA and making it appealing1.00
00:22:08.460to women. And we see this right throughout history. Experts on academics who specialize
00:22:15.660in authoritarianism often talk about veneration of motherhood as a key propaganda tool that goes
00:22:22.480along with authoritarian regime. And there is a lot of reasons why that I'm sure you have
00:22:27.880discussed ad nauseum here on this podcast but you know i i think that i often think about sort of
00:22:32.820ussr motherhood propaganda um nazi motherhood propaganda and we're seeing it now coming out
00:22:38.840of hungary right and there's talk to me about that talk to me about this about the stuff we're
00:22:43.940seeing coming out of hungary it's very much all just you know a woman's true place is as a mother
00:22:50.280and the way they pitch that in not like the way pitch women on subjugating themselves
00:22:57.840isn't to tell them we will force you into the home it's to say we will venerate you for choosing
00:23:04.980to be a mother you know we will venerate you for choosing to give up all your other options and all
00:23:10.220your rights and it's very much when we talk in america about trad wives and moms for liberty
00:23:16.860and all these other movements. Right. It's a tip of the spear political strategy.
00:23:21.820The goal is to get these women to vote into office enough right wing politicians who will1.00
00:23:28.540then change the laws for everyone. So the people who are really behind this movement,0.94
00:23:32.400the massive corporations who want a pliable and, you know, move of undemocratic electorate0.95
00:23:41.500so they can just make fuck tons of money and not care about the environment or labor issues0.89
00:23:46.700They are the ones who are behind all of this, of course. You know, they they will get what they want. And we are merely like we, the recipients of the trad wife ideology, are merely a tool in this larger agenda.0.98
00:23:59.680And it's a larger agenda. That's the thing. You know, I do genuinely believe that this is just soft proselytizing to try to convince women to give up their power and to give up their agency. And wouldn't it be nice if you just didn't have to worry? It's easy. It's beautiful. You get to run around on this farm.0.73
00:24:22.860very similar to what we saw after world war ii when the government wanted women back out of the0.99
00:24:30.540workforce because men needed their jobs and they're like we have these prefab bungalows that0.97
00:24:35.720are super fancy and washing machines so your life is so much easier than it was before why do you0.86
00:24:43.760want to work in a factory and look you know when you are in that situation when you have given up
00:24:50.180all financial decisions to your husband when you are not when you don't have access to a career0.87
00:24:55.700when you are legally bound to the situation it's very very hard to get out um and you know women
00:25:03.980could only get credit cards starting in 1974 right like that we were only legally allowed to always
00:25:10.520get a credit card after 1974 that's 50 years ago that's after Roe um it is very the history is very
00:25:18.060short. And I think that, you know, I started my career working in a domestic violence organization.
00:25:24.260It's very, very hard to get out of a situation like that, whether it's physical abuse or financial
00:25:29.820abuse or psychological abuse. And I think that it's very, very dangerous to tell women that
00:25:36.460everything will certainly be OK if you get into these situations, because that's that's just not1.00
00:25:41.800how life works. It might, but it might not. It might, but it might not. And, you know, we've
00:25:47.680talked to so many former trad wives on this show and again trad wife not the same as say as stay
00:25:53.980at home mother um it's really not the trad wife has this connotation of submission of giving over
00:26:01.260your agency to your husband of having them make all of the decisions in your life and i think
00:26:05.920that's very important because what i see on my instagram when i talk about my issues with trad
00:26:13.200wives is stay-at-home moms. Again, a word I hate, too, because no one is staying. A man made up the
00:26:19.240term stay-at-home mom. No one is staying when they're working in the home. I don't know where
00:26:23.540they think they're staying, but they're definitely moving all the time. They're not staying. But I
00:26:29.900hear from a lot of stay-at-home moms who are mad. They're like, you're condescending. You're1.00
00:26:33.760attacking my choice. And I'm like, this is yet another example of how social media and also
00:26:40.960certain political forces want to pit us against each other. And so I do want to say Tradwife is
00:26:47.220different than a woman who is working inside the home. Yeah, I mean, look, I am excited for people1.00
00:26:53.160to have the choice to be able to be a stay-at-home mom and take a pause from work and do whatever
00:26:58.100they want. The thing that Tradwives and the Associated Political Movement want is for you1.00
00:27:02.240not to be able to make that choice. They want the choice gone. And that is what I think is
00:27:05.960very important. They want to take away your choice. They don't want you to be able to make
00:27:09.700that choice and then once you choose to go back to the hump they don't want to let you back out
00:27:14.700you're not getting back out and i also you know one of the things that i see a lot is that you
00:27:20.880know women don't want to offend other women right and so we a lot of women don't want to talk about
00:27:28.340the problems of the trad wife movement because they don't want to offend stay-at-home moms
00:27:32.320and this is you know effectively pushing people into silence and i see this on a lot of political
00:27:37.820issues and you know i uh am the author of a forthcoming book called democracy and retrograde
00:27:41.880and which we should talk about but one of the big thing that we talk about in the book is that like
00:27:49.480silence is a political choice and um we can't let people bully us into silence and i'm not saying
00:27:59.760that like the the stay-at-home moms and your dms are necessarily doing that but they are part of
00:28:03.320this broader movement of people saying, like, those angry feminists, they're always mad. They1.00
00:28:09.640hate men. I have, like, in my TikTok, all these people are like, all feminists hate men. I was1.00
00:28:14.540like, certainly not. I know some massive sluts who are feminists. They love men. I am a feminist,1.00
00:28:21.220and I love men. And look, until I married my wonderful masculine husband, Nick Astor,
00:28:26.060massive slut over here. Massive slut, okay? Here's the thing. I love good men. I love men1.00
00:28:31.620who love women uh yeah the truth um i want to yes i want to i want to close out this episode
00:28:38.000talking about that about how we're being bullied into silence a lot of times we're going to take
00:28:44.940one more quick break and when we get back we are going to talk about your book democracy in
00:28:48.980retrograde and i want my audience knows they know the drill now guys the book will be out in july
00:28:56.020but you can pre-order it now. Like, it's a gift to your future self. Democracy in retrograde,
00:29:01.640and that's what we're going to talk about when we get back.
00:29:26.020Nicola Dynan, Curtis Garner, Raven Smith, and Rufy Thorpe.
00:29:29.980I, Hunter Harris, wrote and read the foreword.
00:31:03.860And because of because of the current tenor of political conversations, they tap out.
00:31:11.060And by tapping out, they are essentially handing over more power to extremists who want to scream and yell and bully people.
00:31:18.060And the only way we can retake the conversation is for more people to talk about it. Right. And I think you can't always agree with everyone. There's you know, there's a difference between saying like hateful derogatory things. Like if we were coming on here and being like a day at home mom sucks. Right. That would be we would deserve to get bullies for that.
00:31:40.860We're not. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, well, we're not. We're making like a rather nuanced political argument about pseudo Christian nationalists, pseudo Christian nationalists who hate women, who just fucking hate women.
00:31:54.500That's all I'm saying. And, you know, I think that, like, it's OK for us to have differences of political opinions on issues.0.99
00:32:03.700Right. And to have conversations about that and be able to move forward.
00:32:07.820So I think political burnout is a real thing. A lot of women I know are burnt out on politics. I'm burnt out on politics. And this is very interesting for me, right? Because I was a political reporter for a long time. I wrote a whole novel about politics.1.00
00:32:27.200I used to live in this world. I used to create news in this world. And I mean, sometimes I go
00:32:34.340weeks tuning out now, which I don't usually admit, but I'm admitting it to thousands of
00:32:39.120people now because I think a lot of people feel the same way. Your book helps us get through that
00:32:44.120burnout. What are you telling people? Well, the first thing is this is it's totally valid. And
00:32:51.780i hear this all the time from people and i myself even need to tap out and this is like my love my
00:32:57.960obsession and i think that it's you know we are all dealing with so much every day like between
00:33:04.220putting food on the table getting kids to bed workplaces that are non-stop communicating maybe
00:33:10.380you've done multiple jobs like life is hard and politics is so extreme these days um there is
00:33:18.060actually like political science have coined the term the exhausted majority it is a thing that0.55
00:33:23.48067 of america is just like really fucking exhausted and doesn't want to deal with this0.96
00:33:28.940shit anymore and part of the problem is that the people who are the loudest who are not exhausted1.00
00:33:34.780are the extremists so the more they talk the more they scream the worse it seems and the more the0.99
00:33:40.340rest of us tap out and like there's a lot of conversations to be had about how algorithms
00:33:44.500really incentivize that type of extremist conversation and outrage bait and all of that
00:33:49.100stuff. But at the end of the day, what it means is that our silence is actually a political
00:33:57.620statement, right? Like our not participating in the process is a political statement in and of
00:34:01.940itself. And the only way to really combat that is to figure out sustainable ways for all of us in
00:34:08.680the exhausted majority to somehow try to get more civically engaged, be a little bit louder,
00:34:15.140take on one small piece to not feel like the responsibility that every single one of us has
00:34:19.780to solve climate change. But like all of us can do a little bit in our community, in our state,
00:34:25.820you know, whatever it is, whatever we can do and want to do. And that's really this broader
00:34:30.620solution to reimagining civic life in America. I like that. I like the idea of thinking small
00:34:37.580and small habits and locally because it just seems doable these days, right?
00:34:44.020National politics, I think, are what just smacks me in the face and punches me in the gut and makes me want to die.
00:34:50.420And one of the things like we talk a lot about in the book is how national politics is slow.
00:34:56.100Like it is inherently infrastructurally created to move very slowly.
00:35:00.480And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
00:35:02.760That that has been co-opted by, you know, corporations and super rich people who want to use it for their own personal gain.
00:35:10.320That is bad. But like, you know, news has so much been nationalized and there's a whole other conversation about like the death of local media.
00:35:19.920But for someone like me, I am incentivized to talk about national news because the bucket of people who could be interested in that is larger.
00:35:28.020And I'm trying to get as many views as many people interested as possible.
00:35:31.620but there's so much going on in your local communities i know we both are really obsessed
00:35:36.360with speed bumps um i love a speed bump i love i'm a speed bump queen and like look you could
00:35:44.100get involved for the first time in one year and have like an outcome and have a speed bump getting
00:35:50.600put on your street like that could be a very tangible result of something that happens because
00:35:55.520of your work. You could join a library board and try to combat the Moms for Liberty of it all.0.95
00:36:02.100People who are really, you know, Moms for Liberty doesn't actually have that many members,
00:36:05.580but it has a few really hardworking members who are willing to go sit on library boards,
00:36:12.000a thing that no one else has been had the time to do or the will or the care. Right.
00:36:16.480But the reality is, even us normal people just sitting in those seats and making sure those1.00
00:36:21.180crazy moms for liberty people can't sit in there and like destroy public libraries that is an1.00
00:36:26.640amazing political action to do a hundred percent and your book democracy and retrograde democracy
00:36:34.200and retrograde we have to say it 20 times has worksheets i love a worksheet that can just and
00:36:40.180quizzes and quizzes that can help you figure out what you can do i mean i just think it's very
00:36:44.440actionable. It's something that I have ordered about 10 of them to gift to friends. My friends
00:36:54.080who are burnt out with a little note that says, I know you're burnt out. So tell everyone where
00:36:58.340they can order it and where they can find you. Yes. So Democracy in Retrograde is available
00:37:02.620for pre-order wherever you get your books. It comes out July 9th, but I know all of you know
00:37:08.100from Joe, the pre-order game. So would love you to click that link. I am at Emily in your phone.
00:37:14.440I'm on Instagram. It's my favorite platform. I'm also growing my sub stack. Please subscribe to my
00:37:19.180sub stack. And I am on TikTok now because I got to keep up with the youth. Yeah, I fucking suck
00:37:25.080at TikTok. I mean, I'm there, but I fucking suck. You're good. You're better than I am. You are.1.00
00:37:29.780You are. I'm going to put up a Harrison Butker one and see what happens. You know, you got to
00:37:33.440ride. The thing about TikTok is all they want is rage and takedowns and outrage and trends.
00:37:39.300fine i'll do it all right i love having you on my screen i know i know i know i've got no makeup
00:37:48.620routine look at this massive zit on my chin uh all right i love having you on my screen in my
00:37:52.940phone and in all the places and i know that everyone else will too so thank you so much
00:37:56.460for being here today thank you for having me and that is all we have for today
00:38:02.080i do want to talk more about what masculinity means how masculinity is defined i would actually
00:38:12.740like to ask nick astor what masculinity means to him so maybe we'll get him back on this show0.54
00:38:18.760as we mentioned in the episode emily has a new book coming out democracy and retrograde
00:38:24.000you can order it now people you know you can you know you can always order early this book is great
00:38:29.280especially right now when a lot of us are discouraged, we feel isolated, we're doom-scrolling
00:38:34.060all the time. And I think a lot of us also lack a sense of purpose and community. And this book,
00:38:40.340Democracy in Retrogrid, is kind of the kick in the ass that we need to figure out what we could0.97
00:38:45.160possibly do, big or small, to make a difference in our own communities. I love it. I love Emily.0.96
00:38:52.600And I love all you. Go do something nice for yourselves. I'm going to take some NyQuil.