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Sunday Nice Things: Mental Health Rewritten

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00:00:00.000 Hey y'all, Joe here, and you are listening to Sunday Nice Things. Today I'm dropping
00:00:06.780 a podcast in your feed called Mental Health Rewritten. It's a recently released nonfiction
00:00:13.100 narrative podcast, which, as we know, are my very favorite kind of podcasts that tackle
00:00:19.480 the stigmas about mental health head on. Here's the first episode, which covers sex addiction
00:00:24.480 and porn in a fascinating
00:00:26.700 way. You might not
00:00:28.800 want to have young ears around for this one.
00:00:31.660 Obviously. 0.99
00:00:35.020 Mental health rewritten is for
00:00:36.660 informational purposes only and is not
00:00:38.660 a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis
00:00:40.940 or treatment. Please consult
00:00:42.680 a mental health professional for care.
00:00:44.880 This podcast may include sensitive topics.
00:00:47.760 Listener discretion
00:00:48.440 is advised.
00:00:51.320 Business trips.
00:00:53.280 They were routine.
00:00:55.400 Another city, another deal.
00:00:57.600 But this trip feels, well, different.
00:01:01.860 Daniel doesn't know why.
00:01:03.240 He just knows he can't keep pretending.
00:01:05.740 Because, see, this trip isn't a negotiation, a presentation, or another deal to close.
00:01:13.240 No, this is something else.
00:01:16.540 Something he has fought, denied, hidden from himself, and everyone he loves.
00:01:24.280 His wife's words haunt him.
00:01:26.520 Get help or never come back.
00:01:29.000 He looks at the house one last time, feeling the weight of his actions.
00:01:34.420 A weight no amount of business deals could ever lighten.
00:01:38.100 And when you ask a behavioral health clinician, Daniel's story is not an uncommon one.
00:01:44.020 What once might have been novel or fun or hot and exciting
00:01:48.000 starts to become deeply burdensome
00:01:50.600 because it grates on people's integrity and their conscience.
00:01:54.100 And they have to look at their partner and their kids every day and lie
00:01:56.640 and know that they are not who they say they are.
00:01:59.480 Daniel has left his home for years
00:02:01.760 under the guise of success, ambition, and responsibility.
00:02:06.040 And on the surface, he has done everything right.
00:02:09.000 a rising star in the company, a man on the brink of the C-suite.
00:02:14.940 But now he sits on the curb in front of his house in his gated community,
00:02:20.540 facing a truth he can't negotiate his way out of,
00:02:24.020 having to explain to two young innocent faces
00:02:27.000 why Daddy has to be gone for a while, a long while.
00:02:33.460 But even under the mountain of shame and guilt he feels,
00:02:37.200 Daniel holds on to a single shred of hope,
00:02:40.960 a reminder that sometimes we can heal the things we once broke.
00:02:46.120 Sometimes we get a second chance to rewrite our narrative.
00:02:53.200 Change begins with understanding,
00:02:56.560 and understanding begins with reflection.
00:03:00.280 My name is Dominic Lawson, and welcome to Mental Health Rewritten.
00:03:04.560 In this episode of Mental Health Rewritten, we uncover the complexities of sex addiction,
00:03:12.360 compulsive sexual behavior, exploring the impact on relationships, the hurdles in treatment,
00:03:18.160 and the societal and cultural lenses that shape our understanding.
00:03:23.160 Join us as we rewrite the conversation around sex addiction.
00:03:34.560 I had a conversation about the formation of this podcast with a clinician and I told them we were
00:03:40.240 going to start with sex addiction. And she was like, wow, Dominic, you're really going off the
00:03:45.480 deep end to begin, huh? Well, I guess so. Sex is fundamentally a natural and pleasurable thing
00:03:53.280 and it's simply part of the human experience. In every culture and every generation,
00:03:58.780 It connects us, drives intimacy, and honestly, just feels good.
00:04:04.540 But just like anything else that brings pleasure, there can be a complexity to it.
00:04:09.640 For some, sex can be tangled with pain, secrecy, or even compulsion.
00:04:15.760 What starts off as something natural can shift, sometimes slowly, sometimes all at once,
00:04:22.760 into something that feels out of control or even harmful.
00:04:26.800 but let's go back to the complexity of the matter because let's say you may actually suffer from sex
00:04:33.920 addiction and you live in the united states it may prove difficult for someone to even believe
00:04:40.480 you a yougov study in 2018 shared that 52 percent of adults believed that the disorder was real
00:04:49.280 that is a good thing however this next part is not 23 percent believed that it was not real
00:04:56.800 and another 25 percent were unsure. That part is alarming. When you add in the studies from
00:05:03.200 the Mayo Clinic that suggest between 6 and 8 percent of U.S. adults could be classified
00:05:08.640 as addicted to sex, we could be talking about upwards of 24 million Americans.
00:05:15.840 And many health professionals fear that it may be increasing due to the rise of apps devoted to
00:05:20.800 hooking up or casual sex more sexual topics being discussed on the internet and social media
00:05:27.600 not to mention pornography and that is such a big topic that we're going to take that on
00:05:33.760 in episode two and then there is the perception that it is a male-centered issue and while it
00:05:40.320 may be more common in men women are also affected and they often find a harder time finding a
00:05:47.680 treatment solution due to that stigma, often not as visible in self-help groups.
00:05:54.400 And this isn't just a problem in the United States, it's global. Take Rebecca Barker from the UK.
00:06:02.080 She told the BBC in 2018 that at its worst she was having sex five times a day and it still 0.88
00:06:11.520 wasn't enough. She said her partner loved the attention at first but over time
00:06:17.120 even he became overwhelmed, thereby highlighting that even when the addicted partner is being
00:06:23.440 faithful, the disorder can still be problematic for relationships in other ways. If you want to
00:06:30.320 read more about Rebecca's story, the link to that BBC article is there in the show notes.
00:06:35.780 Rebecca's story isn't unique to the UK. Around the world, sex addiction and the compulsions
00:06:42.280 that drive it are shaped by more than just personal experiences.
00:06:47.080 It's culture, religion, and societal norms
00:06:50.080 that influence not only how compulsive sexual behavior is understood,
00:06:55.140 but how it's treated or even
00:06:58.160 ignored. Because let's say you live in a region
00:07:02.220 of the world where religion plays a dominant role. Think Middle East 0.61
00:07:06.380 or parts of Latin America. Compulsive sexual behavior
00:07:10.540 is often framed as a spiritual crisis rather than a psychological one.
00:07:16.160 Religious leaders frequently serve as the first line of intervention,
00:07:20.520 guiding individuals through prayer, fasting, or counseling
00:07:24.400 before mental health professionals are even consulted.
00:07:28.860 This approach offers comfort to some,
00:07:31.760 but others it delays treatment or prevents it altogether.
00:07:37.120 The fear of being judged as morally weak can keep individuals suffering in silence.
00:07:43.120 But what about societies where sexual health is approached with openness?
00:07:48.120 Let's say Scandinavia and the Netherlands.
00:07:51.120 Here, sex addiction is rarely seen through the lens of morality.
00:07:56.120 Instead, the focus is on harm reduction and healthy boundaries, but not abstinence.
00:08:02.120 The contrast is striking.
00:08:04.120 striking. While some cultures seek to restrict sexual behavior, others focus on rebalancing it.
00:08:11.400 The result is that treatment models can look radically different depending on where you are
00:08:17.480 and what your society values. In East Asia, technology and isolation play a different role.
00:08:26.120 In places like Japan and South Korea, compulsive sexual behavior is often tied to digital addiction
00:08:32.760 and social withdrawal. It's less about hypersexuality in the physical world
00:08:38.040 and more about escaping into a virtual one. This rise in digital compulsion highlights how
00:08:44.840 technological and societal shifts can shape the expression of sexual addiction. It's not just
00:08:52.040 about sex, it's about connection, loneliness, and the need for intimacy in an increasingly
00:08:58.920 disconnected world. So, across cultures, one truth emerges. Compulsive sexual behavior reflects more
00:09:06.820 than just individual struggles. It mirrors how societies define sex, morality, and identity.
00:09:14.220 And while the approaches may differ, the underlying need for understanding, for connection,
00:09:20.020 remains universal.
00:09:24.140 This, I admit, is a lot to take in.
00:09:27.380 It's a very complex topic.
00:09:29.620 But lucky for us, I have a very decent contact list of experts
00:09:33.440 that are well-versed on these matters.
00:09:36.320 Allow me to introduce you to one now.
00:09:38.880 One of the things is that people don't quite understand
00:09:41.400 what sex addiction is, especially when they hear that term.
00:09:44.080 I think they have a lot of misconceptions, a lot of misunderstanding.
00:09:47.320 This is my really good friend, Javi Kang, psychotherapist and trauma life coach.
00:09:52.700 She also works at ITAP.
00:09:54.380 She dives deeper into this very complex topic.
00:09:57.600 But nowadays, the ICD called it compulsive sexual behavior disorder.
00:10:04.280 You're probably curious why you heard that sound just now.
00:10:08.240 I'll explain in a while after Javi finishes.
00:10:10.540 So now that our field is shifting into that language, using compulsive sexual behavior disorder versus sex addiction, however, there's still an underlying addictive component here when it comes to sex addiction.
00:10:24.180 And so when we think about addiction, there's those usual criteria that we're looking for.
00:10:28.540 So when it comes to sex addiction, we're looking for those exact same criteria.
00:10:32.620 Loss of control, preoccupation, withdrawal, escalation, negative consequences, all of those things that we would typically look for in an addictive process, we're also looking for in sex addiction.
00:10:45.060 If those things are not present for that client, then maybe we're not working with a sex addiction.
00:10:51.000 Maybe we're just working with someone who has a higher sex drive, someone who has different interests.
00:10:57.060 Negative consequences.
00:10:59.140 It's a theme that echoes throughout history.
00:11:01.980 We've seen how unchecked sexual compulsions have destroyed public figures, from Hollywood moguls to CEOs.
00:11:10.040 Daniel, who we will check in with later, may not be on magazine covers, but his struggle is the same.
00:11:17.760 And when we think about compulsive sexual behavior, we often only imagine it as a modern issue.
00:11:24.200 But allow me to take you back to 1812, where Dr. Benjamin Rush, regarded in 1965 by the American Psychiatric Association as the father of American psychiatry, is examining a, quote, morbid state of sexual appetite in his book, Diseases of the Mind.
00:11:44.160 Rush recognized the profound personal and societal impacts of unregulated sexual desires long before modern psychology coined terms like hypersexuality.
00:11:56.820 He believed such urges could lead to moral and physical decay.
00:12:01.000 In Chapter 18, Rush included not just his reflections, but also personal letters he received from distressed patients or their loved ones.
00:12:12.020 One such letter detailed the anguish of a young man tormented by uncontrollable desires.
00:12:19.100 My dear sir, I write to you in confidence and great shame.
00:12:23.700 My son, a bright and hopeful youth, now wastes away under the burden of desires he cannot quell.
00:12:31.300 His pursuits, once innocent, have turned toward ruin.
00:12:35.360 I fear for his health and spirit.
00:12:37.720 is there no cure for this affliction that robs him of his vigor and standing?
00:12:44.100 Rush's acknowledgement of such letters reveals the universal and enduring nature of this struggle.
00:12:51.200 The behaviors Rush described are strikingly similar to those that are diagnosed and treated today.
00:12:58.400 It also signals how deeply ingrained and timeless this issue is,
00:13:03.120 Because while the names and faces may change, the patterns often remain the same.
00:13:14.240 And while Daniel may not wear tri-corner hats and travel via horseback, his situation looks very similar.
00:13:21.760 Which leads me to the...
00:13:23.140 You heard earlier when Javi said...
00:13:25.480 Compulsive Sexual Behavior Disorder.
00:13:28.040 Mental Health Rewritten is an educational podcast.
00:13:31.380 I'm pretty sure you got that gist from the history lesson we just gave you.
00:13:34.740 But after all, we are an education company.
00:13:37.940 And much of the content you will hear on this podcast
00:13:40.200 is guided by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
00:13:45.040 or the DSM, which is in its fifth edition,
00:13:48.200 and the International Classification of Diseases,
00:13:51.340 or the ICD, which is in its 11th edition.
00:13:54.440 For a full explanation of what those things are,
00:13:56.880 be sure to check out our explainer trailer on our RSS feed.
00:14:01.280 But when you hear that sound, that means someone on the show,
00:14:04.960 more than likely a mental health professional,
00:14:07.140 has mentioned something that we want to provide a full and detailed definition of,
00:14:12.340 and that is usually a disorder of sorts from the ICD-11 or DSM-5.
00:14:18.400 This is there to combat the sometimes harmful and misinformation
00:14:21.740 that you often see on social media and the internet.
00:14:25.600 We will share the definition and sometimes maybe even create a fictional scenario to help further explain.
00:14:32.740 So let's get to the first one, compulsive sexual behavior disorder in the ICD-11.
00:14:39.560 It is classified under impulse control disorder.
00:14:42.680 This disorder is characterized by a persistent pattern of failure to control intense, repetitive sexual impulses or urges, leading to repetitive sexual behaviors.
00:14:53.520 The individual may engage in these behaviors despite negative consequences or derive little satisfaction from them.
00:15:02.220 The diagnosis requires that the symptoms persist for an extended period, typically at least six months,
00:15:08.820 and cause significant distress or impairment in personal, family, social, or important areas of functioning.
00:15:16.940 It was added to the 11th edition of the ICD in 2018 and effective for global use in January of 2022.
00:15:26.040 But there is something interesting here.
00:15:28.420 The ICD-11 and the DSM-5 often work in tandem, but neither compulsive sexual behavior disorder or sex addiction is in the DSM-5.
00:15:39.840 Why is that?
00:15:41.360 Luckily, I know just who to ask.
00:15:43.780 What say you, Javi?
00:15:44.640 The DSM is still kind of figuring it out, right? They're still working on it. They're still trying to see if it fits into the addiction section. So I think there's definitely movement towards that. The ICD was able to make it fit into the compulsive nature of the diagnosis. So there's that compulsivity that comes with this too.
00:16:01.600 And so it was able to show up in the ICD, which I think is great because, again, as clinicians, we can put more of a solid diagnosis on it and be able to continue to treat, whether it is a sex addiction, if it's there, there's that addictive process.
00:16:16.140 But compulsive sexual behavior disorder is very encompassing in that sense.
00:16:21.400 So it could really encompass anyone who is maybe acting out sexually with others or even if it's just more of a virtual presence.
00:16:28.720 What Javi touches on is a critical shift in how we understand and experience compulsive sexual behavior today.
00:16:36.140 The internet, social media, and mobile technology have made sexual content interactions more accessible than ever before, blurring the line between healthy exploration and compulsive use.
00:16:48.740 And this accessibility changes not just the how, but the who.
00:16:52.920 The landscape of sex addiction is evolving from what we once saw as the classic sex addict is something more insidious and hidden, existing quietly behind screens.
00:17:06.460 A big part of that now is without proper protections.
00:17:09.760 A much younger demographic now has access to this type of content.
00:17:15.740 Javi breaks it down even further,
00:17:17.740 explaining how this divide between the classic and contemporary sex addict plays out in practice.
00:17:23.880 So the classic sex addict is like the typical sex addict that you might think about
00:17:28.880 who would get in their car and go down the road to go do some cruising behavior, 0.98
00:17:34.500 to pick up a prostitute, might go to a massage parlor and pay for that massage for the happy ending.
00:17:39.560 They might be the ones that went to Blockbuster to go rent those DVDs, to go purchase magazines.
00:17:45.260 So there was a lot more physical behaviors involved in that.
00:17:48.440 There's a lot more that was required for them to get there fixed.
00:17:52.220 Nowadays, the contemporary sex addict, they don't have to get up and leave anywhere.
00:17:56.920 They could be at home and still be engaging in this compulsive sexual behavior virtually,
00:18:02.360 on their phone, on their laptop.
00:18:04.640 Video games also could meet a lot of people that way.
00:18:08.740 So there's this big shift that's happening in that sense too.
00:18:11.840 another component that might be different between a classic sex addict and a contemporary sex addict
00:18:17.840 is like the trauma piece a classic sex addict may have a lot more trauma can origin trauma as well
00:18:25.880 that fuels their behavior whereas like a contemporary sex addict they may not have
00:18:32.480 that level of trauma there it's not like they're reenacting some sexual trauma that they have been
00:18:37.520 in but purely because it's accessibility because it's they can just log on and nowadays too I feel
00:18:45.180 kids at a younger age are getting access to sex or at least understanding what it is at a much
00:18:49.960 younger age than maybe you and I when we were younger it took us way into high school or college
00:18:56.580 to really understand what sex is or even see a porno or anything like that so nowadays they're
00:19:01.780 like nine ten eight like they're in it's so it's changing their brains in that sense and they're
00:19:06.720 having more access to it at their fingertips. Before we continue, I want to go back to something
00:19:11.860 Javi said before. The DSM is still kind of figuring it out, right? They're still working
00:19:16.820 on it. They're still trying to see if it fits into the addiction section. That's the thing about sex.
00:19:23.440 It already carries so much stigma. Sprinkle in the fact that there are many that are divided in the 0.50
00:19:28.720 clinical world, and you can understand quickly why it is a tricky topic to tackle. But that's
00:19:34.880 exactly why we created mental health rewritten and started with the track focusing on sex because
00:19:41.680 if we're being honest call it whatever you want sex addiction compulsive sexual behavior disorder
00:19:48.040 either way you can easily see why it's one of those topics people would rather not touch what
00:19:55.520 hobby describes is part of a larger conversation happening across the mental health community
00:20:00.940 which means there has to be dissenting opinions right and i think it would be irresponsible for
00:20:06.680 me just to present only one side of this conversation again the icb-11's recognition
00:20:13.080 of compulsive sexual behavior marked an important step forward but not everyone agrees here are some
00:20:20.040 statements from various behavioral health professionals featured in psychology today
00:20:24.480 including the first one from Dr. Dale Riger from the DSM-5 task force.
00:20:30.420 Just to clarify, because legal just handed me a note,
00:20:33.780 while these are direct quotes from clinicians,
00:20:36.560 the voices you will hear are AI-generated recreations and not the actual clinicians.
00:20:42.620 Let's hear what Dr. Riger had to say.
00:20:44.700 There was concern that the evidence for sexual addiction as a distinct disorder was insufficient.
00:20:49.700 While some behaviors align with addiction models,
00:20:51.780 we felt more research was needed to avoid pathologizing normal sexual urges.
00:20:56.400 The hesitation highlights deeper concerns.
00:20:59.180 The line between hypersexuality and a high libido isn't always clear.
00:21:03.900 If we're not careful, diagnosing sex addiction can feel more like a moral judgment than a clinical one.
00:21:10.300 As you can see, this debate isn't just cultural, it's clinical.
00:21:14.640 There is ongoing debate over whether compulsive sexual behavior is best treated through addiction frameworks
00:21:19.740 or if it reflects deeper emotional and neurological issues rooted in trauma.
00:21:24.640 The lack of consensus doesn't just affect diagnosis, it shapes how treatment unfolds.
00:21:30.700 For clients like Daniel, this debate isn't academic.
00:21:34.300 It's important because it shapes how people like him receive care
00:21:38.380 and whether their struggles are met with either compassion or skepticism.
00:21:43.280 And for many, just finding a name for what they're going through can be the first step towards healing.
00:21:49.740 But this isn't the first time mental health professionals have debated sexuality.
00:21:54.460 In the 1940s and 50s, Alfred Kinsey's groundbreaking research on human sexual behavior shook the foundations of what we thought we knew.
00:22:03.620 His work was controversial, but it paved the way for many of the conversations we are having today.
00:22:11.700 These differing opinions highlight the challenge facing researchers and clinicians alike.
00:22:16.920 And as Javi points out, even those working to expand our understanding of compulsive sexual behavior face significant hurdles, not least of which is the lack of long-term studies and the individuals willing to participate in the research.
00:22:33.280 there's a lot of research that's being done right now too with the addictive uh process when it
00:22:39.580 comes to sex to porn um and I think there's just not a lot of research backing it just yet so I
00:22:45.140 think that part of what the panel and the folks that working for the DSM is trying to get more
00:22:50.000 research trying to get more information there's not enough people who can even say hey I'm a sex
00:22:55.280 addict do research on me right so there's the it's like that lack of consensus or lack of like
00:23:01.180 having people to even do the research on.
00:23:04.800 There's just insufficient empirical evidence at this point.
00:23:08.840 But there's a lot of folks out there who are doing that currently.
00:23:12.160 There's lots of testing that's being done, lots of studies being done, short-term, long-term.
00:23:17.780 So there's movement on it.
00:23:19.460 But as with anything that goes into the DSM, it takes time.
00:23:23.180 As Javi mentioned, the lack of evidence and consensus has made it challenging for the DSM
00:23:28.200 to fully integrate sex addiction into his diagnostic framework.
00:23:32.780 And maybe if there were more research, fewer people would ask this question.
00:23:37.300 What's the difference between a high sex drive and sex addiction?
00:23:41.840 It's a valid question, but before we unpack it, let's check in with Daniel.
00:23:47.960 See, he's made it past an excruciating day one,
00:23:51.100 a day spent filling out forms that led to a late night of staring up at the ceiling,
00:23:56.060 wondering how he even got here.
00:23:58.200 He didn't even unpack his suitcase.
00:24:01.120 But here we are, day 13.
00:24:04.380 Things are still uneasy, but he's starting to settle in.
00:24:09.280 Daniel was in a group session, hands fidgeting, eyes darting to the floor,
00:24:14.180 surrounded by a circle of strangers.
00:24:16.640 Almost two weeks in, and today it looks like for the first time, he's going to speak.
00:24:22.680 I know this feeling.
00:24:25.080 Maybe you do too.
00:24:27.000 It's almost like the first day of school, except for obvious reasons, the stakes feel
00:24:32.000 much higher, that tightness in your chest when it's finally your turn to speak, and
00:24:37.440 you're not even sure if your voice will come out.
00:24:40.900 So when Daniel says, I don't really know what to say, it feels like he's balancing
00:24:45.420 on the edge of something, unsure to take a step forward.
00:24:49.840 But someone across him nods, and somehow that nod carries more weight than words.
00:24:55.660 None of us did at first. Just start with what brought you here.
00:25:00.140 My wife? She told me not to come back unless I got help. 0.61
00:25:03.840 I've lied to her for years. I've lied to everyone.
00:25:06.800 I don't even know how to stop.
00:25:08.820 The room goes quiet, but it's not awkward.
00:25:13.620 It's the kind of silence that feels safe, the kind that lets you just breathe.
00:25:18.800 You're in the right place, man.
00:25:20.080 hearing Daniel open up like that, it's a reminder of how much
00:25:24.000 courage it takes to face these parts of ourselves.
00:25:29.140 His story reflects something universal.
00:25:32.120 The need to be seen. The need to feel understood.
00:25:36.940 And that need, it doesn't always show up the way you
00:25:39.840 expect. That's where the line between healthy desire
00:25:43.980 and compulsion starts to blur.
00:25:47.500 So let's talk about it and bring in a new perspective to this conversation.
00:25:51.840 So think about it like this. It's a drug, right?
00:25:55.620 So when you think about people that drink a lot,
00:25:58.240 they're going to require more and more alcohol to get buzzed or to get drunk.
00:26:02.440 When you're thinking about sex, if I don't get it, then it becomes a crisis.
00:26:07.840 This is Dr. Justin Dotson.
00:26:09.780 He's worked with countless men struggling to understand this difference.
00:26:14.060 And he's here to break down how hypersexuality takes root
00:26:17.800 and why for many, the real unmet need driving it isn't even about sex at all.
00:26:24.360 And that's what leads to infidelity because now we're so convinced that we're not going to get caught
00:26:29.200 and we're risking health and trust and all those things in order to get a need met at that time.
00:26:35.980 So what that moment is, it becomes sneaking around in order to get your need met.
00:26:41.020 So you value having your need met over the care and concern of other people.
00:26:45.900 And a lot of people come to treatment because someone in their life says, hey, this is a problem.
00:26:50.900 That's what the difference between hypersexuality and high sex drive, because a high sex drive doesn't typically ruin the relationships.
00:26:58.340 It's being unfaithful because you've become hypersexual.
00:27:02.140 Sneaking around isn't something that comes from high sex drive that comes from hypersexuality because now it's an addiction 0.77
00:27:09.240 because you compulsively need to seek out sex and habit
00:27:13.300 in order to satisfy yourself once,
00:27:16.800 maybe it was once a week.
00:27:18.220 And then the more and more we do it,
00:27:19.700 the more and more people require of it, right?
00:27:23.500 So you're never satisfied.
00:27:25.140 That's the difference between high sex drive
00:27:27.400 and hypersexuality where you just seem
00:27:29.460 that you can't get enough
00:27:30.800 and you need more and more
00:27:31.860 in order to satisfy that unmet need.
00:27:33.960 But that unmet need is typically belonging and connection
00:27:37.700 and something else that was missing in an earlier point in life.
00:27:41.340 But somewhere along the line, you learn that this sexual component is what alleviated and
00:27:46.320 what made you feel better.
00:27:47.620 And a lot of men do it in private.
00:27:49.360 That's what makes it acceptable to them because you do it in private.
00:27:52.260 But then when other people in your life are witnessing it or noticing it, or it's taking
00:27:57.080 away from your sexual activity with your partner, or it's leading to infidelity, then that's
00:28:02.440 when, oh man, I got to do something about this.
00:28:05.060 I have to change it or else I'm risking losing this person.
00:28:09.400 And the reality is when men come into my office, I tell them, you're not going to stop doing
00:28:12.520 this today.
00:28:13.640 You're not going to do this.
00:28:14.400 Even though we had a great session and we uncovered some things, you still have to unlearn
00:28:19.360 to not use this thing.
00:28:20.880 You still have to replace something.
00:28:22.780 And I've seen men where they can stop it.
00:28:24.960 And then once they open that door, it's Pandora's box again, because they haven't learned how
00:28:29.660 to truly execute and replace the behavior.
00:28:32.980 And sometimes it just depends on the resources that man and the motivation in order to undo the learning.
00:28:40.720 But it's possible. It's easier to catch it earlier on versus 20 years of doing something the same way all the time and there not being a true consequence.
00:28:49.960 Healing from hypersexuality starts with recognition.
00:28:52.760 As Dr. Dotson explains, the line between high sex drive and compulsive behavior becomes clear when trust goes away and secrecy grows and relationships suffer.
00:29:04.820 But awareness alone isn't enough.
00:29:07.420 Change takes time and unlearning old habits requires new, healthier ones.
00:29:12.960 That's why Dr. Dotson guides men through key questions because honest reflection reveals the door to healing.
00:29:20.680 So these are some questions that I'd want men to ask themselves. Do you feel like you need sex constantly? Are you constantly thinking about it? Is it hurting your relationship? So even if you're only doing it with your partner, are you bending the boundaries of your partner or are you treating them in a way that makes them feel sexualized or not good?
00:29:41.260 You go behind your partners back to watch porn.
00:29:44.060 Are you exhibiting behavior that would make them feel bad?
00:29:47.560 A lot of people say, even though I'm only sleeping with you,
00:29:50.180 some partners say watching pornography is cheating.
00:29:52.740 That's a whole nother conversation.
00:29:54.380 But some people do. 0.97
00:29:56.020 Do you feel guilty after having sex or seeking sex from other people or watching pornography? 0.75
00:30:02.200 Do you lie about the behavior?
00:30:04.620 Do you ever find that you are satisfied?
00:30:06.780 Do you disregard any negative consequences of you constantly trying to have sex with your partner or even stepping out?
00:30:15.360 I mean, do you ever feel satisfied?
00:30:17.140 That's answering those questions are going to be the first step in figuring out if someone has a high sex drive or hypersexuality.
00:30:25.660 What Dr. Dodson just described gives us a window into the complex, often blurry line between high sex drive and hypersexuality.
00:30:33.780 hypersexuality. These questions aren't just diagnostic. They tap into the lived experience
00:30:40.480 of individuals struggling to discern whether their behaviors are part of a healthy sexual
00:30:45.800 expression or indicative of something more disruptive. And that's where professionals
00:30:51.880 like Dr. Alexandra Catahawk has come in. She is the founder of the Center of Healthy Sex in Los 0.97
00:30:57.520 Angeles, California. She is the voice you heard at the top of the show when we first introduced
00:31:02.580 Daniel. Her insight offers how clinicians develop frameworks for addressing sexual health
00:31:08.320 over the long term. I started this center in somewhere around the mid-2000s because when I
00:31:16.140 went to graduate school, I was really interested in human sexuality and the question of what makes
00:31:21.340 for a long-term erotic relationship and a monogamous committed relationship over time.
00:31:27.680 because I didn't have a role model for that.
00:31:30.820 My parents divorced when I was 27 after 30 years of marriage
00:31:34.440 and 50% of the population divorced.
00:31:38.020 So that was really my question.
00:31:39.980 And I sort of stumbled along this thing called sexual addiction.
00:31:43.560 And at the time, Pat Carnes had just installed the sexual disorders unit
00:31:48.120 here in L.A. at Dallama Hospital.
00:31:50.200 And there were just a handful of people treating the problem.
00:31:53.100 And I had the good fortune of getting an internship
00:31:55.520 and starting to treat this thing called, quote, sex addiction.
00:31:59.580 And initially, Dr. Kern's model was a cognitive behavioral model
00:32:04.280 where you just look at your thoughts and stop your behaviors,
00:32:07.460 and then you're good to go.
00:32:10.060 And after working in that model for about eight years,
00:32:12.980 I started to think about what was missing was a road toward sexual health,
00:32:18.180 which, of course, was what a lot of his critics had said from the get-go.
00:32:21.860 But he was only one man trying to figure out one problem.
00:32:25.520 And so I started to look at the question of what is healthy sexuality for people who are in recovery from sex addictions.
00:32:32.240 And so with that, just following my passion and my interests, I started to expand and had some interns working for me.
00:32:39.700 And then together collaboratively with my husband, Douglas Evans, we built Center for Healthy Sex so that we could have intensive programs and groups and offer a full host of services for people struggling with this problem.
00:32:53.440 One thing I know about recovery is that it's rarely linear.
00:32:58.380 Dr. Katahakis' work has shown that many clients carry unresolved trauma from childhood,
00:33:04.920 often manifesting as compulsive sexual behaviors in adulthood.
00:33:09.440 Research indicates that approximately 70% of individuals with sexual addiction
00:33:14.440 report histories of early life trauma or neglect,
00:33:18.680 according to the College of Education at the University of Georgia.
00:33:23.020 This led me to wanting to know more about the link between trauma and the disorder
00:33:27.560 that led to Dr. Katahakis' book in 2016.
00:33:32.060 In addition to that, how does she measure the impact of her work?
00:33:36.580 Well, that's tricky to measure.
00:33:38.580 I'm sure I've seen, like, thousands of people.
00:33:41.360 Some will tell you I helped them enormously or, quote, save their lives,
00:33:44.840 and others might say, yes, it was okay, or I didn't get what I needed,
00:33:48.920 so I don't know how to measure that.
00:33:50.720 But I do know that I feel incredibly grateful and honored to have had a front row seat to many, many men and women's healing process when it comes to this problem.
00:34:04.980 And so many people whose sexuality was tampered with as a child, whether it was shamed or physically abused, become sexually addicted and compulsive because they don't know how else to regulate their nervous systems.
00:34:19.560 And in 2016, I published a book called Sex Addiction as Affect Disregulation, which is a deep dive into the underlying science, the neuroscience of what makes human beings human and what happens when we don't get the appropriate nurturing that we need from infancy forward and how that is the beginning of the making of all types of addicts.
00:34:44.600 That when a child is not getting soothing, comfort, connection, regulation of their nervous system, they start to look for other things to do that for them, whether it's video games or Internet pornography or eating or not eating, starving themselves.
00:35:01.600 And then, of course, later in life as teenagers and young adults, drugs, alcohol, you name it.
00:35:07.260 Dr. Katahakis' journey illustrates understanding sexual addiction and compulsive behavior often begins at the intersection of personal experience and clinical insight.
00:35:19.000 The search for answers, whether for a client or oneself, reveals how deeply intertwined these behaviors are with our emotional histories.
00:35:29.260 Sexual addiction rarely exists in isolation.
00:35:32.320 It reverberates through relationships and not just intimate ones.
00:35:37.260 creating distance mistrust and pain even when recovery begins rebuilding those fractured
00:35:44.380 connections presents its own set of challenges this begins a new chapter in this conversation
00:35:52.700 one that shifts from the personal experience of addiction to its ripple effects on relationships
00:35:58.540 family and the very fabric of intimacy and it can be summed up in a fairly new clinical term
00:36:07.260 As we explore the rival effects of addiction on relationships,
00:36:15.000 one term emerges repeatedly, betrayal trauma.
00:36:18.820 At its core, betrayal trauma refers to the deep psychological distress
00:36:23.760 that occurs when someone we rely on for safety and emotional connection violates our trust.
00:36:31.060 In the context of sexual addiction or compulsive sexual behavior,
00:36:34.180 partners often experience this as a profound rupture,
00:36:38.300 a shattering of the sense of security that forms the foundation of intimacy.
00:36:42.900 Dr. Jennifer Freed, who pioneered the concept,
00:36:46.240 describes betrayal trauma as unique
00:36:48.480 because it's not just the act of the betrayal that causes harm,
00:36:52.780 but the relational dynamic,
00:36:54.600 the fact that the betrayal comes from someone integral to our emotional well-being.
00:36:59.820 This can lead to symptoms similar to post-traumatic stress disorder
00:37:03.440 or PTSD, but with the added complexity of navigating ongoing relationships with the
00:37:10.640 person responsible for the harm. Dr. Katahakis explains this experience best through the lens
00:37:17.820 of someone who is set with countless clients facing this very crisis. It's a really important
00:37:25.040 topic and relatively new when we think about trauma, but imagine that you are living in an
00:37:31.380 idyllic marriage, whether it's heterosexual, homosexual, doesn't matter. And you have a life
00:37:37.460 that you're pretty, you know, perfect. You're grateful. You're both employed. You have two
00:37:43.720 beautiful children. You work in the community. Maybe you're even involved in your church. And
00:37:49.780 you find out that the person that you have been in love with and trusted all this time is not the
00:37:54.540 person you thought they were. In fact, not only are they lying, like you didn't just catch them
00:37:59.660 in a lie, but you start to learn that for the 25, 30 years of your marriage, they've
00:38:04.380 never, ever been faithful to you, and that they've had multiple sexual partners, not
00:38:10.220 just one, but 20, 50 sex workers, strip clubs, affair partners, spending thousands, sometimes
00:38:18.180 as much as a million dollars on this affair partner or partners over time.
00:38:23.360 And so what happens with people, typically women, is the reality, it's like a massive internal earthquake where what they thought was solid ground is no longer solid ground.
00:38:39.060 And they don't know who to trust. They can't trust themselves because one of the refrains is, how come I didn't see this? Why didn't I know this? And also, how could he do this to me? 0.63
00:38:50.800 and everybody thought he was so nice and so perfect,
00:38:53.700 and we were the perfect family.
00:38:56.440 So the partner's reality gets unbelievably jolted like an earthquake.
00:39:03.140 Like I needed it.
00:39:04.480 Needed it? You needed sex workers and affairs? 1.00
00:39:07.440 You needed to betray me, our children, our community? 0.97
00:39:11.080 Was I not enough for you?
00:39:12.500 It wasn't about you. It was never about you not being enough.
00:39:15.840 It's your feeling.
00:39:20.800 The emotional devastation Dr. Katahakis describes is most certainly a real one.
00:39:27.120 Research indicates that approximately 16% of married individuals in the U.S.
00:39:32.260 have admitted to infidelity at some point in their marriage.
00:39:35.880 But perhaps the most surprising thing is that healing is possible.
00:39:42.600 See, despite the initial devastation,
00:39:45.140 studies show that around 60 to 75 percent of couples affected by infidelity choose to stay
00:39:52.460 together and work through the betrayal and is this concept of betrayal trauma is actually how
00:39:59.060 I met Dr. Katahakis in the first place for the Los Angeles screening of the movie Accidentally
00:40:04.700 Brave. In it, Maddie Corman tells the powerful story of her experiencing betrayal trauma in a
00:40:11.940 very high-profile way. It was to the point that they had to uproot their family and move. Dr.
00:40:18.420 Katahaki shares how far-reaching it can be and the delicate balancing act many partners face.
00:40:24.260 And what's painful about it, too, for approximately 70 to 80 percent of these couples will work it out
00:40:31.940 and work through it. So it's very difficult, for example, if it were me, to badmouth my partner and
00:40:38.240 tell all my friends and family that he cheated what he did and how much money he stole.
00:40:41.880 And then later, three months later, six months later, saying, we're getting back together.
00:40:46.840 And those people can't unsee or unhear what they heard. It's very difficult to repair
00:40:52.040 relationships. So again, many women won't tell anybody because they don't know what they want 1.00
00:40:57.940 to do yet. The secrecy, the shame and the uncertainty leave many partners feeling isolated,
00:41:04.980 unsure whether to speak out or protect their relationship in silence.
00:41:10.100 But as painful as the betrayal is,
00:41:12.860 the question of what constitutes betrayal is just as complex.
00:41:17.440 For some, infidelity is clear-cut.
00:41:20.340 That makes sense.
00:41:21.660 A physical affair or a hidden double life.
00:41:24.740 For others, the boundaries blur.
00:41:27.500 Is watching pornography a breach of trust?
00:41:30.180 Is flirting?
00:41:31.500 Or is it the emotional distance that grows between two people in the quiet moments between intimacy?
00:41:37.600 Dr. Dotson unpacks how couples define infidelity in different ways
00:41:42.000 and why understanding each other's boundaries can be the key to preventing future ruptures.
00:41:48.440 Well, it depends on expectations.
00:41:50.220 So I've heard conversations and I've seen people that say,
00:41:54.060 if you flirt with somebody else, you're cheating.
00:41:56.240 If you watch pornography, you're cheating, right?
00:41:58.460 So if there's any entity or thing or person that takes your attention off of me, that
00:42:03.620 is cheating.
00:42:04.680 And it depends on how this couple defines what that is for the relationship.
00:42:08.420 But oftentimes you do have one partner saying, this is my boundary.
00:42:11.920 These are my lines.
00:42:13.180 And if you cross them, that means you are being unfaithful.
00:42:16.300 Oftentimes there's one person in the relationship that doesn't see it the same.
00:42:20.720 And let's just use for this instance, the man, right?
00:42:24.460 So whether it's a same-sex couple or heterosexual couple, sometimes there is a person, typically the man that says, that's not cheating if we do these things.
00:42:33.140 But I think that conversation really goes into what are that person's, the other partner's expectations of a healthy relationship.
00:42:40.300 A lot of people want their partner to be obsessed with them so much in a healthy way because that, in their mind, gives them security and safety.
00:42:50.760 So that's what people are really seeking, right?
00:42:53.120 So if you break that down and you slice it out, people are really seeking safety, security, connection.
00:43:00.160 And anything or person or thing that breaks your connectedness to me that removes this healing safe is a form of cheating to them.
00:43:09.780 Sometimes that is accurate.
00:43:11.700 Sometimes it's not.
00:43:12.680 And so I think that's a fine line that you get to flesh out in therapy.
00:43:17.240 You get to flesh out in conversations and multiple exercises.
00:43:20.500 there are a lot of tools that you can use to just have deeper conversations with people but i do
00:43:26.180 think that it's really important to have these boundary setting conversations in terms of learning
00:43:31.280 what your partner's boundaries are learning what their expectations of a healthy relationship
00:43:35.260 learning what their examples were because a lot of times when when people come into the room and
00:43:41.180 i say well how did you learn healthy sexual behavior how did you learn to have sex for the
00:43:46.220 first time, a lot of it came from either what was an example of an unhealthy relationship
00:43:51.460 or pornography, because then you had couples or somebody in the relationship learning how
00:43:57.460 to have sex through pornography. Dr. Dotson's insight into boundaries reveal the delicate
00:44:02.260 dance couples perform, each person defining what feels like betrayal based on their personal
00:44:08.060 experiences, fears, and past wounds. But as Dr. Dotson continues, he highlights how these seemingly
00:44:15.120 small fractures can evolve into deeper disconnection it's not just about the act it's about
00:44:21.600 what the act represents in the relationship the partner left feeling unwanted unseen or insecure
00:44:28.960 isn't just reacting to the present moment often they're responding to a long history of experiences
00:44:36.080 that shaped their understanding of trust and intimacy that's what people want people want to
00:44:41.600 be wanted so even going back to the example of the the woman that says well if you talk to her
00:44:47.300 you're cheating she doesn't something in her life says that's wrong because at some point
00:44:54.000 maybe a man doing that was the start of her being cheated on or that is speaking to an insecurity
00:45:00.880 or that is a threat to some degree and even if the the man or someone else is saying oh you're
00:45:07.840 blowing this out of proportion, we have to get to what is threatening about that to this person.
00:45:13.360 And then you can get to the bottom of that, the more you can flesh that out and really understand
00:45:18.160 what they're really saying behind that anger.
00:45:26.640 And for Daniel, that process is still unfolding. The work he's doing doesn't just live within
00:45:32.720 therapy rooms or 12-step meetings and that brings us to a pivotal day in Daniel's journey.
00:45:39.360 The weight of healing rests not just on him but on the fragile threads of trust he's hoping to
00:45:45.600 rebuild with his wife because now it's day 40, family day. Their meeting reminds us that healing
00:45:54.720 isn't just a personal journey, it's relational and the road to rebuilding trust begins one
00:46:00.960 fragile step at a time daniel stands near the entrance as his wife steps inside arms crossed
00:46:08.480 they haven't seen each other in over a month she scans the room eyes landing on him hey
00:46:16.240 his wife nods but doesn't move closer daniel notices her wedding ring still on her hand
00:46:22.240 and it gives him hope however fragile they sit outside beneath the shade of an oak tree the
00:46:28.720 The kids couldn't make it.
00:46:30.280 It's too hard for them.
00:46:31.820 They don't understand why you're gone.
00:46:34.100 I know.
00:46:35.540 I'm trying.
00:46:37.300 She still studies him for a moment,
00:46:39.380 searching for signs of the man she married.
00:46:41.700 I want to believe you.
00:46:43.640 Daniel looks down at his hands.
00:46:45.800 I want that too.
00:46:52.820 As we step into the next phase of this discussion,
00:46:56.400 Javi walks us through the treatment landscape.
00:46:58.720 where denial, trauma, and addiction intersect and how clinicians navigate the complex terrain
00:47:04.740 of recovery from 12-step programs to holistic healing. There's a good percentage of folks
00:47:11.240 who are coming to treatment because they got caught by their partner and now their partner
00:47:15.840 is making the ultimatum, we need to work on this or we're done kind of a thing. For those folks,
00:47:21.660 it could be a bit more of a challenge, right? Because they might be more in denial.
00:47:24.420 So that might be the first treatment approach is really helping them understand,
00:47:27.800 Is this a problem for you? And where does this come, where does this trace back for you? Is there some trauma that's being reenacted here? Or is it simply this addictive process that you're engaging in?
00:47:37.420 And then we also have to assess if there's any other addictions happening too.
00:47:40.680 Is there an alpha corvina, drug abuse, workaholism is a really common one that goes along with
00:47:45.640 sex addiction, substance abuse as well. 0.94
00:47:48.160 For women, oftentimes they have a lot of expectations when it comes to sex.
00:47:54.860 A lot of their expectations are to a certain standard. 0.51
00:47:58.040 And so when that gets challenged, they have their own internal distress that comes up
00:48:03.860 that leads them and guides them to getting the help that they need.
00:48:07.420 So, they might be more willing, more open to seek treatment on their own, but also there's a good percentage of women who have been in multiple affairs and they also got caught and are coming to treatment for that same reason.
00:48:19.860 But yeah, the first pieces would be kind of working through any denial.
00:48:24.880 And then from there, really moving them into 12-step recovery.
00:48:28.540 A big piece of addiction is connecting with others, being honest, having accountability.
00:48:34.520 So being part of a 12-step group will be able to provide those things.
00:48:38.180 Group therapy is another really good treatment approach for sex addicts or those who have
00:48:42.380 compulsive sexual behavior disorder.
00:48:44.820 Group therapy, yeah, family.
00:48:46.060 If they're in a relationship, family or couples, marriage therapy.
00:48:49.860 And then just holistic approaches as well, yoga, exercise, meditation.
00:48:55.200 Another big piece for me, too, is like working on growing their sense of self.
00:48:59.040 As Hawley emphasizes, working through denial is one of the most crucial and challenging steps in treating compulsive sexual behaviors.
00:49:07.660 In fact, studies show that denial can manifest in various forms, minimizing harm, refusing responsibility, or rejecting the need for treatment altogether,
00:49:17.840 hindering acknowledgement and delaying recovery and that's according to the
00:49:23.120 Washington State sex offender policy board but once denial starts to lift the
00:49:28.400 real work of unpacking patterns exploring identity and confronting shame
00:49:33.140 begins now we shift to Dr. Katahakis who now leads us deeper into the heart of
00:49:39.200 recovery unveiling the frameworks tools and therapeutic models that shape
00:49:44.240 lasting change. Javi laid the foundation, but Dr. Katahakis picks up where the work begins to
00:49:50.320 unravel something unexpected, yet profoundly human. Grief. Honestly, that's not something
00:49:56.920 I was expecting when I was researching this episode. But when you take a step back, it kind
00:50:01.940 of makes sense. Because in the process of healing, there's often a reckoning, not just with the
00:50:07.580 addiction, but with the time relationships, the pieces of self that were lost along the way.
00:50:13.100 The model that I use is what I call a top-down, bottom-up model, meaning we start with the cognitive behavioral aspect of it, using Patrick Karn's task model.
00:50:24.980 And that model is in a book he wrote called Facing the Shadow.
00:50:28.900 It's a workbook. It's a terrific workbook for people to get started with.
00:50:32.520 So it's really looking at all the secrets, lies, excuses and problems people have and looking at their cycle of addiction and looking at what kind of sex addict they are, because there are 12 types now.
00:50:48.820 If you're working with a certified sex addiction therapist, there are several instruments that people take, self-report measures to look at what kind of sex addict they are, what kind of activities they've been up to.
00:51:00.860 So we really kind of unearth the whole thing, all the secrets and the lies.
00:51:06.420 And by unearthing it all, it starts to reduce the amount of shame the person has around their behaviors because shame silences us.
00:51:15.500 And so when people start to talk about this problem, they start to feel better faster.
00:51:20.240 And they start to come out of denial by telling themselves it wasn't that bad or I didn't do it that much.
00:51:26.120 Because when you really start to write all this stuff down and see that it's been decades of your life, you start to see how pervasive a problem it was.
00:51:35.260 And with that comes grief and loss.
00:51:37.720 People really have to grieve the loss of time, the loss of relationships, how they hurt other people, and also were hurting themselves all along the way.
00:51:48.920 So that's really, in a nutshell, the first layer of treatment.
00:51:53.900 And with that goes attending 12-step meetings for the fellowship so that people can be in groups with other people who have experienced the same thing historically, whether it's in their childhood stories, their acting out stories, their repeated cheating, the marriages they've gone through, and start to see that they're not alone and that the people that they're with are good people.
00:52:16.160 They're people just like them.
00:52:17.820 They just had a bad start to life and have done bad things.
00:52:22.020 And then after that period of time, which can take six, eight months a year, then I start to work in a deeper way with people in what's called more psychodynamic psychotherapy of really looking at the childhood trauma hurts, helping people to feel in their bodies today what they couldn't feel then because it was so dangerous.
00:52:43.840 and that process is a process of you could call it reparenting reclamation of the self
00:52:51.200 but from a neural perspective these are circuits that have become uncoupled and people feel it
00:52:58.900 because they report feeling dead at the core or chronically depressed or highly anxious
00:53:05.080 and it's the recoupling of these circuits going back and getting that child and bringing them
00:53:10.640 back into the present moment, that starts to help people feel more neurally integrated.
00:53:16.660 And when they're more neurally integrated, they'll tell you that they have had a spiritual
00:53:20.380 awakening, that they feel lighter, freer, happier, that the promises of Alcoholics Anonymous
00:53:26.460 start to come true.
00:53:28.520 But this is a good three to five year process, which sounds long, but when you think about
00:53:34.580 how long it takes somebody to get into therapy and get help, sometimes they're in their
00:53:38.780 40s, it's really not that long. And you're going to be three to five years older anyway.
00:53:43.820 So do you want to be three to five years healthier or in a deeper hole than you are right now?
00:53:50.740 What Dr. Katahakis reveals here strikes at the core of what long-term healing truly demands.
00:53:57.440 It's not just stopping the behavior. It's about reclaiming the parts of yourself,
00:54:02.160 the addiction buried. The process is slow and often painful, but it opens up the door to something
00:54:09.020 deeper, connection, integration, and sometimes, redemption.
00:54:23.320 Sex addiction hides in plain sight, woven into jokes, TV dramas, and celebrity scandals.
00:54:29.720 In our culture, the line between desire and disorder blurs.
00:54:35.080 Pop culture sometimes normalizes indulgence, often dismissing compulsive sexual behavior as a high sex drive.
00:54:43.080 This can leave those struggling feeling misunderstood or invalidated, and that can be very dangerous.
00:54:50.640 Javi takes it from here, unpacking how these cultural messages shape and sometimes distort our understanding of sex addiction.
00:54:59.720 I think, again, our current culture is you can watch any movie, there's going to be some type of a sex scene in there, right?
00:55:07.520 And I think, too, just in pop culture, even what's going on right now, there's a lot of high-profile folks who are getting arrested, who are facing jail time, who have huge allegations against them.
00:55:20.460 And absolutely, there's that misconception.
00:55:23.080 They think it's just having lots of sex, having a high sex drive or hypersexuality.
00:55:27.460 sexuality. And so there is a lot of misconception. And my suggestion would be do a bit of research,
00:55:35.420 right? Or listen to these kinds of podcasts to kind of figure out, okay, what do they mean when
00:55:39.600 they say that? Right? It's almost thrown out there as a joke. Javi highlights how cultural
00:55:45.360 perceptions often downplay or distort the reality of sex addiction. This disconnect between societal
00:55:51.460 understanding and clinical truth creates a barrier that those who might otherwise seek
00:55:57.280 help are trapped between shame and the fear of not being taken seriously. Which is why we wanted
00:56:04.760 to end with Dr. Alexandra Katahakis stepping in again to remind us the condition is officially 0.80
00:56:10.920 recognized as compulsive sexual behavior disorder and why that language we use matters. The
00:56:18.400 International Classification of Diseases book, it's called the ICD, it's in the 11th issue,
00:56:25.540 is put out by the World Health Organization.
00:56:28.320 And the World Health Organization in 2021 or 22
00:56:31.920 recognized compulsive sexual behavior disorder.
00:56:36.120 And I think, you know, colloquially and in the zeitgeist,
00:56:40.440 we call it sex addiction.
00:56:42.020 So it's important for people listening to know
00:56:44.020 there is a bona fide diagnosis for it now,
00:56:47.240 but we still all call it sex addiction
00:56:49.700 because it's easier, it's a shorthand,
00:56:52.440 everybody knows what it is.
00:56:53.620 sex addiction is real not just a cultural buzzword or moral failing it has a name and a place in the
00:57:02.900 icd-11 once again this official recognition doesn't just validate the experience of those
00:57:09.780 struggling it opens the door to more compassionate structured paths toward healing but recovery
00:57:18.420 isn't just about definitions or clinical terms. It's about the quiet personal victories, the
00:57:24.340 conversations that were once too hard to have, and the apologies that felt impossible, and the
00:57:30.820 relationships that begin to heal and repair, piece by piece. And for Daniel, that work has carried
00:57:39.780 him to this moment. Day 60. Graduation day. But this isn't the end. It's a beginning.
00:57:49.620 One he doesn't have to face alone. As he walks out on the overcast sky, Daniel steps out of the
00:57:56.340 facility walking towards his wife as she waits in the parking lot. And as he walks towards her,
00:58:03.540 he glances back at the building. A few of the men from his group wave from the entrance. He lifts
00:58:09.380 his hand in return.
00:58:11.640 And his wife welcomes
00:58:13.420 him in. Ready?
00:58:15.860 I think so.
00:58:17.580 He climbs in, resting his hand over
00:58:19.520 hers on the gear shift.
00:58:21.700 I know there's still a long way
00:58:23.500 to go. His wife
00:58:25.320 squeezes his hand. We'll get
00:58:27.360 there. And as they pull
00:58:29.380 away, Daniel watches the
00:58:31.320 facility disappear in the rearview mirror.
00:58:34.160 But this time,
00:58:35.560 he's not running away from it.
00:58:37.640 For the first time,
00:58:39.380 He's driving towards something better.
00:58:45.600 Next time on Mental Health Rewritten,
00:58:48.000 we shift the focus from sex addiction to pornography.
00:58:52.020 In this episode, we explore the fine line between consumption and compulsion
00:58:56.460 and the often overlooked realities behind the scenes of the adult film industry.
00:59:02.020 We'll hear from the clinicians we heard from today that treat pornography addiction,
00:59:05.840 but we will also hear from someone who's lived on the other side of the camera.
00:59:11.500 So it was during the pandemic in 2020, actually specifically October of 2020,
00:59:17.440 I found myself struggling financially.
00:59:21.040 I found myself battling homelessness and I needed a way to make money.
00:59:27.200 I kind of had just said, like, what else do I have to lose?
00:59:30.880 Tune in next time as we confront the myths,
00:59:33.180 hear the stories, and rewrite the conversation around pornography and mental health.
00:59:40.680 Mental Health Rewritten, created by The Owls Education Company,
00:59:45.080 is hosted, written, and produced by me, Dominic Lawson, executive producer, Kenda Lawson.
00:59:51.840 Cover art was created by Alexandria Eddings of ArtLife Connections.
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