Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - The Future Under the Christian Patriarchy with Tia Levings

00:00:00.000 Hello, all. Jo here. You are listening to Under the Influence, and I am so glad that

00:00:13.460 you're hanging out with me today, because we have an episode that I think is really

00:00:17.000 important. Really important, as we're coming up on such a massively, massively influential

00:00:25.380 election for our country. Now, I don't think it's news to any of us that the Christian

00:00:30.180 patriarchy has a strategy and a plan for gaining power in America. And no one knows that better 1.00

00:00:39.180 than the women who used to live under the Christian patriarchy. Today, we're talking

00:00:44.320 to the author and survivor Tia Levings. Tia got married at age 19 to a charming but erratic man

00:00:53.440 who loved theology. She'd grown up in a conservative mainline Baptist church and

00:00:59.200 had been groomed to be a sexually pure bride and submissive wife. There was violence and abuse 0.92

00:01:06.700 from the very beginning of both her life and her marriage, but she wasn't equipped to recognize it.

00:01:14.620 Tia escaped this life, and she's been on a long, long road to freedom and healing.

00:01:20.860 10 years of trauma therapy. She documents all of this so beautifully in her new book,

00:01:28.020 A Well-Trained Wife. We've talked to Tia on this show before. We talked a lot about trad wives 0.98

00:01:34.820 and why Tia believes they are truly, truly dangerous for America. Today, we're going to 1.00

00:01:42.920 talk about how the Christian patriarchy has infiltrated almost every level of the Republican 0.93

00:01:49.020 Party, and how they are looking to gain power through the conservative platforms in our 0.86

00:01:54.400 country.

00:01:55.720 Essentially, what we're going to talk about today is what would a future under Donald

00:01:59.500 Trump and J.D. Vance actually look like?

00:02:03.960 And Tia is so well-poised to talk about that future.

00:02:12.520 Hello, lady.

00:02:14.020 How you doing today?

00:02:15.680 So happy today.

00:02:17.680 I'm happy today, too. I feel good today. I feel better about the world than I have in a while.

00:02:23.600 And I'm also very excited that your book, A Well-Trained Wife, is going to be in the world

00:02:29.900 very, very soon. You know, the word timely is always attached to memoirs. Like,

00:02:36.100 is it a timely memoir? And this book just gets more timely as we go. It was already

00:02:43.040 it's like on fire two years ago um it's just i can't believe like it's i mean we get to come

00:02:48.720 out before the election it's amazing important it's important this book is important and you

00:02:55.080 are so right it is more timely than ever it was timely two years ago yeah and then and then it

00:03:00.960 just went like timely times a thousand which is amazing for this book amazing for you and amazing

00:03:07.740 for women because we need this book. We all need to be reading this book. Men, too. Men, too. It's

00:03:13.660 just that most of my listeners are women, except for Brett. So yeah, that's it. Yeah. God bless 0.98

00:03:19.180 Brett. God bless Brett. God bless Brett. Super under the influence, Stan. So for people who

00:03:25.100 haven't heard us talk to each other before on this podcast, I want you to tell them what a 1.00

00:03:30.460 well-trained wife is about. What can they expect from this book? Yeah, well, on the highest level, 1.00

00:03:36.900 it's the story of my entrance into and escape from the highest control Christian patriarchy 0.88

00:03:41.760 that there is. It's the same patriarchy that's coming for our country, which is why I decided 1.00

00:03:47.660 I really do need to tell this book with the widest distribution possible. I need to tell

00:03:52.100 this story. I have a very mainstream evangelical background and got into this very innocently and

00:03:58.700 slowly in a way that many, many, many readers will relate to. The reviews come back overwhelmingly

00:04:06.600 that people see themselves in the pages. And even though parts of my story are very extreme,

00:04:12.120 most of it is not. Most of it is very mainstream and everyday and relatable. So I think that

00:04:19.080 because the Christian patriarchy is part of our government at this moment, and they are rolling 0.97

00:04:23.780 back rights to make us into their model, the only people who can really tell Americans what it's

00:04:30.260 like to live that way are people who've been through it. And there's just not a long list

00:04:34.100 of people who have gotten themselves out and are able to tell the story well enough to convey that

00:04:39.660 message without re-traumatizing themselves. So what's an important part of my story is that

00:04:44.340 I escaped and then I did 10 years of trauma therapy so that I can tell you this story

00:04:49.360 without harm to myself or to the reader. It's so important. It's so important

00:04:56.580 now because we are, you know, on the cusp of this election and make no mistake that the 0.99

00:05:03.260 Christian patriarchy, is really looking to reshape America in its image, with its values. 0.99

00:05:11.000 It felt like that was coming for some time, but some time is now here. This is the reality 1.00

00:05:18.100 that we're living with right now. And I have to say, I am glued, glued to your substack,

00:05:27.920 The Anti-Fundamentalist. I was revisiting it, actually, while I was also glued to the

00:05:35.000 Republican convention. I found the convention, I found it very watchable. It was. It was

00:05:43.440 excellently done television. And we shouldn't be surprised because Trump is a television star,

00:05:50.400 is what he is. But talk to me a little bit about this American horror story that we're going

00:05:56.500 through of Project 2025, of what you believe we could expect from a Trump presidency when it comes

00:06:05.180 to the patriarchy and taking control of women's lives. Yeah, I think that the RNC is a great

00:06:11.720 example of the different channels of marketing that they use. So Trump has decided to distance

00:06:17.700 himself from Project 2025 as best he can. And the people who are used to listening to his surface

00:06:22.640 proclamations might buy into that. A closer look immediately reveals that, you know, 80% of his

00:06:29.440 administration was involved in the organization and architecture of Project 2025. The organizations,

00:06:36.140 110 conservative organizations behind it, have been working on this for 50 years. So when we

00:06:41.580 look at a story like mine that also matches that trajectory of a country that is becoming more,

00:06:46.520 an evangelical country, that is becoming more politicized and nationalist as we go,

00:06:51.160 in a lot of ways like he's the end all he's the end game of that but they try different ways to

00:06:56.600 sell it to us so we've talked about the trad wife movement that's a an attraction like that gets

00:07:02.360 women to buy in themselves and go into those rooms willingly because they're they're attracted to the

00:07:07.400 appeal but the rnc shows a different brand where he's more bombastic and he and it's like it's

00:07:13.420 there's caricatures everywhere and everything's highly entertaining and you feel like you're

00:07:17.180 watching worldwide wrestling because there's so much weird performance happening that just

00:07:23.000 you can't look away because we actually were we were watching hulk hogan yes yes that's not serious

00:07:30.520 government that's not world leadership no it's not nor was my other favorite convention moment

00:07:35.780 that i haven't talked about enough yet was when i believe it was the governor of west virginia

00:07:40.440 brought his bulldog on stage. And the bulldog sat on the chair next to him while he gave his speech

00:07:48.880 sitting down. And I think the bulldog's name was something like Baby Dog. And I mean, it was just

00:07:54.680 all in on on Baby Dog. And what it made me think about is that this administration, this group of

00:08:02.920 men will treat dogs better than women, frankly. Yes. Oh, my goodness. Anytime I talk about the

00:08:09.040 discipline practices in the patriarchy. I hear from dog trainers because the word training is

00:08:14.360 involved. I hear from dog trainers who say, oh, no, we treat our dogs way better than the

00:08:19.020 evangelicals treat their children. Yeah. What are some of those practices? 0.52

00:08:24.480 Well, we can go to the like, I'll just go in for it. Blanket training starts. Yeah. Yeah. Blanket

00:08:29.560 training starts switching babies in infancy as soon as they can crawl. It is the most extreme

00:08:34.880 form of infant spanking but you know everybody's familiar with james dobson and his universe of

00:08:40.720 adventures and odyssey and family radio and all of that other stuff from the 80s and the 90s that

00:08:46.540 was so much part of evangelical culture that's espousing like the the uh what they call the

00:08:51.500 strong-willed child and and extreme discipline um wife spanking is on the other end of that 1.00

00:08:57.820 women are spanked into adulthood their daughters are spanked by their fathers until that they are 0.92

00:09:02.760 passed over to their husbands um and then there are husbands that discipline their wives as

00:09:07.340 children so i mean there is a wide spectrum with the same the same degrading control at the heart

00:09:16.340 of it yeah yeah it is it is and it's true dog trainers do treat their dogs better than oh and

00:09:24.360 so does the bdsm community i hear from them too they're like hey in our world we have consent

00:09:28.860 and safe words. Exactly. True. In this Christian kink. No, no, no. Christian kink got no safe

00:09:37.020 words. No safe words, no consent. I want to talk a little bit about the umbrella of authority, 1.00

00:09:45.620 the authoritarian power structure that's in alignment with the biblical worldview that is

00:09:52.520 currently, you know, taking over the Republican Party. Can you talk to me a little bit about that?

00:09:57.080 yeah it's based on the the preposition that uh all power flows through the man that the man is the

00:10:03.880 head of the house and the best you can hope for is to be the neck that turns him as a as a woman

00:10:08.300 and you've heard us you've heard people like that was in my big fat greek wedding people joke about

00:10:12.060 that all the time the man is the head of the household that the woman is the neck which is

00:10:15.500 quite frankly a manipulative coercive way to find your autonomy but that's the only thing available 1.00

00:10:21.520 to women in that model so the umbrella of authority is a top-down power structure where 1.00

00:10:25.740 god is at the top and then man and then woman and then the children more accurate portrayal is to 1.00

00:10:30.940 flip it upside down and make it a pyramid scheme um well that would put the children on top that's

00:10:35.580 not really what i mean but i mean that the children are the the labor force and the base

00:10:39.200 and the and it widens as you get to the bottom because the population widens where the man is

00:10:44.440 always on top and all power flows through that man down like it doesn't um it flows to other men

00:10:51.960 right right from from from one powerful man to another powerful man and it never touches women

00:10:58.900 right right right we're completely outsiders in our own community even though we're half the sky 0.97

00:11:04.380 half of the population is female and in the umbrella of authority that's not how power

00:11:10.240 disbursement works right and i that i think that's what turned my stomach so much uh at 0.55

00:11:15.980 watching the Republican convention in addition to Hulk Hogan and Baby Dog. And it was seeing the

00:11:24.280 camera pan to so many women in the crowd who were willingly giving away their rights, who were

00:11:30.860 cheering this on, who I do feel like are being marketed to and branded to and hoodwinked about 0.96

00:11:39.980 what is actually going to happen if they win. Yeah, that's actually the reason I couldn't watch

00:11:45.340 The women that are associated with men in power are all of a kind. They're all the skinny white side piece. Their job is to smile, adore, you know, your job. You have to have this adoration for your patriarch. 1.00

00:11:59.500 and the the one speech i saw with his granddaughter still displayed this man who breaks every rule

00:12:05.900 like he she basically said in an endearing way that he he breaks every rule her parents might

00:12:11.220 have for her um it the subjugation the willing the willing subjugation and the and the internalized

00:12:19.740 mis misogyny is hard to stomach because the those when you're a child in that environment

00:12:25.920 and the woman your mother is the only other adult in the room if she's not willing to advocate for

00:12:32.140 anyone and she's just you know bought in for because of her own benefit because it benefits her

00:12:36.540 to to keep things keep the peace um that's where the real abuse and neglect really sets in so

00:12:43.760 there's nobody there's nobody there left to advocate for the innocent nobody yeah there's

00:12:48.780 nobody there to advocate for you we are going to take a quick break and when we get back i want i

00:12:53.980 want to talk a little bit more about policy-wise and rights-wise what the world would look like

00:13:02.060 under Project 2025. Okay, and we're back with Tia Levins and her new book, her new book,

00:13:17.320 A Well-Trained Wife, available in all of the places where you get the books. You were a well 1.00

00:13:23.860 trained wife until you were not. Before we dive into policy, I want to hear a little bit,

00:13:35.020 just a taste for readers and listeners about your moment of conversion from being a well-trained

00:13:41.620 wife. When did you make that switch? What was the pivot point for you? Yeah, I think this is so 0.98

00:13:49.380 important i think it it's interesting that you identify a single pivot and there is a moment

00:13:54.560 where i absolutely snapped and took action that was seven years in the making so my mental snap

00:14:00.780 happened at one time in 1999 when i could not i was permanently altered through a tragedy in my

00:14:07.880 life where i could not go back and become the person that i had been because i was kind of the

00:14:12.000 spell was kind of broken um and then seven years passed and a lot of a lot of effort to try and

00:14:17.460 conform and fit in and fix what was broken without blowing it up, gets me to this place where I

00:14:23.820 realized I was raising the next generation of patriarchs and women who would stay with men who

00:14:30.180 hit them. And that I had been spending all this time, my entire abusive marriage, waiting for

00:14:36.820 somebody to see me or hear me or rescue me, because that's what we're taught in Christianity

00:14:41.480 is that you're waiting on a savior constantly. And that nobody else knew I was going through

00:14:45.960 anything. If I was going to change anything, I was going to have to get up off the floor and save us

00:14:50.680 myself. And that was really the moment that set everything into motion. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't

00:14:57.300 an overnight conversion. I mean, I think the important thing is that this takes time, that

00:15:04.000 this process of discovery takes time. And right now, one thing that we do not have on our side

00:15:09.640 as women in this country is time, to be honest. We do not have time to think, to reflect, to

00:15:17.620 plan and escape because the moment is now. And I want to talk a little bit. You have a great list

00:15:25.400 on your sub stack. Again, that is the anti-fundamentalist, which is great. It's an

00:15:30.600 excellent newsletter. I get very excited every time it is in my inbox. And there's a section of

00:15:38.480 of a post that you said, uh, believe survivors, um, believe survivors when they explain, um,

00:15:46.740 what evangelical leaders, what kinds of rights they want to take away, what policy will look

00:15:54.780 like. Um, and, and, and there's a, there's a whole list and the list is terrifying. It is things like

00:16:00.820 women, women do not vote. Women do not have careers or work outside the home. Women do not 1.00

00:16:08.360 accuse men, women do not say no. What are some of the other policy things that we could see put

00:16:15.420 into place? It's the stripping away of any agency. So if you imagine that you wake up in the morning

00:16:22.320 and you decide what you're going to do for the day, that's gone. On a policy level, you're not

00:16:27.500 traveling from state to state. You're not taking charge of your own health care. If you have an

00:16:31.940 emergency, there are other considerations ahead of your own survival that will have to be made.

00:16:36.980 And one of those is, you know, are you pregnant with a life force?

00:16:41.660 Are you pregnant? 0.60

00:16:43.400 Are you pregnant? 1.00

00:16:45.620 Like pregnancy can go so many different directions and have such a toll on a woman's body. 0.90

00:16:51.120 And it deserves its own focus all by itself between a woman and her doctor.

00:16:55.560 But in the patriarchy, if you are pregnant, you no longer exist. 0.76

00:16:59.180 The only thing that exists is controlling what they think should be your proper outcome,

00:17:04.760 which of course just never always goes that way and if you have an emergency where for example

00:17:09.820 you're miscarrying that that's not going to be tended to the same way that it's attended to

00:17:15.660 today where you can go and you can get a dnc and you can get medication and you can heal 1.00

00:17:19.680 that's not how it's handled i know too many bathroom miscarriages where women should be 0.54

00:17:24.600 they're hemorrhaging in the bathroom one of the things that i say a lot is that the way the

00:17:29.760 patriarchs want to run the country is the way they run their homes and that's why i center survivors

00:17:33.940 because survivors are the only people who aren't selling you something.

00:17:37.440 They can tell you accurately what it's like to live in a patriarch's home.

00:17:41.100 And if you just scale that up into policy, that's what you're looking at.

00:17:44.680 So do young girls from the patriarchy know the parts of their body? 1.00

00:17:48.760 Do they have sex education? 1.00

00:17:50.020 Do they have access to contraception?

00:17:51.800 Do they have choices?

00:17:52.820 Do they get to have careers?

00:17:54.420 All of those are no.

00:17:56.000 None of that exists.

00:17:57.000 just yesterday, the church that I grew up in, the pastor drug a teenage girl through the public

00:18:05.620 arena to shame her for being pregnant at 16, treated her as if she needed the scarlet letter

00:18:11.380 because she's his property. She is in a reflection of his ministry. And he wanted to make sure

00:18:17.060 everybody knew that her sin was going to be universally recognized and that it wasn't a

00:18:25.920 reflection on his leadership as a pastor. That kind of a thing. Like, that sounds like the

00:18:31.040 Scarlet Letter. That sounds like the Puritans. But that is what they're recreating. And when 0.99

00:18:35.820 they say, you know, they're beautifying the past and they're calling on these past lifestyles

00:18:41.040 that we have discarded because of science, evidence, and testimony, we're returning to that.

00:18:47.060 Yes. Yes. When they start to call on this false nostalgia, really, right? Where they call on

00:18:53.700 what they like to call traditional values. And that's where we see the tradwives come in 1.00

00:19:00.540 with that false nostalgia, with that, you know, sense that there did used to be a simpler time, 0.98

00:19:07.320 a better time, a more beautiful time, especially for women. And look, that is very captivating

00:19:13.380 for young women who only see this on the surface, who only see it on the small screens,

00:19:17.740 in the palms of their hands. But they're not thinking about the fact that there will be no

00:19:23.640 birth control or health care for women, that there will be no abortion or miscarriage care.

00:19:30.020 And that, as you said, women are literally punished, spanked, that divorce isn't allowed.

00:19:36.780 And we're already seeing that. We're already seeing this party want to get rid of no-fault

00:19:43.280 divorce. We're already seeing them take away choices. That's particularly chilling to me 0.99

00:19:49.420 because I would not be here if I did not have access to divorce. And it's important that it

00:19:54.060 was no-fault divorce because when you're in an abusive situation with a very intelligent and

00:20:00.120 strategic narcissist, proving fault is not going to be something you're able to do. You'll die

00:20:05.360 first. And so the idea that I could get out and get divorced and not have to spend a lot of time 0.60

00:20:12.160 accusing him in court is what saved me. That is how we got away. So when I hear like J.D. Vance

00:20:19.280 bowed his mouth off like that. I want to hear about the women in his life. Do they think that 0.50

00:20:23.680 women should stay in abusive marriages? Because the only men who say that kind of shit are the 1.00

00:20:27.760 ones who are abusing women. Yeah, it's true. It's true. I mean, I have a very difficult time 1.00

00:20:34.840 looking at J.D. Vance's wife, and I don't like to judge women. I don't. And I also don't like

00:20:41.180 to judge other people's marriages. We never know what goes on behind closed doors. But

00:20:45.100 it is so hard to think about this highly educated woman in this relationship with a man who wants to

00:20:52.380 literally turn back the clock on women's rights at the very best she's she's informed and educated 0.91

00:21:01.820 enough to know what kind of harm that's going to cause the subjugation the forced subjugation 0.99

00:21:06.580 mass subjugation of women she's smart enough to know and so we either hold her accountable

00:21:11.280 where we hold her in tenderness and help her get out because there's something something's not right

00:21:15.400 there something's not right there um and i like what you just said about holding her in tenderness

00:21:22.160 and also trying to hold as many women in tenderness as possible because again when i was watching

00:21:27.840 the the tears streaming down women's faces in the crowd at the convention i was angry but

00:21:35.980 i i had this empathy i want to hold them in tenderness i want i'm hoping that we can find a

00:21:42.760 way to help them see through all of the smoke and mirrors that is happening right now um but yeah 0.98

00:21:50.440 the women the women who are complicit in this are really the ones turning my stomach the most 1.00

00:21:54.620 to be honest at this point you know i was just reading this morning um mary oliver's poetry is

00:22:01.560 very dear to me. And I was reading a poem called Flare, and she has a line in there that she calls

00:22:07.280 it the kiss of complicity. And that line just got me, gave me chills, gave me chills just now as I

00:22:13.120 said it, because that's how complicity works. It lures you in with a tenderness. It lures you in

00:22:18.480 with a kindness, a way that preys on your emotions. And I know that I saw the women in that 0.92

00:22:24.180 congregation, which it was very church-like, so I'm going to use that language on purpose. But

00:22:29.160 I looked at the women in that congregation crying for Donald Trump, their savior. You know, they

00:22:34.140 were they were upset that he had had this attack on his life. They don't really want to look at

00:22:38.460 the wider picture of why that happened or apparently ask for any information about it

00:22:43.080 because we have so little actual information about what happened. But they're they're moved

00:22:48.880 to tears because they they are burdened and they are hurting and they have been taught to rely on

00:22:53.840 a golden white man as their savior and that he will come and he will save the day. And they're

00:22:57.980 they're eager for that that beulah land you know that's what they want it's a it's heaven to them

00:23:03.040 yeah like i mean actual heaven actual actual you know yes actual heaven yeah yeah uh we are

00:23:10.060 gonna take one more quick break and when we get back i want us to get to get happy to feel some

00:23:14.520 joy again because we went we went to the dark we went went to the dark place okay uh couldn't help

00:23:19.180 it had to be done okay but now when we get back all joy all the time

00:23:27.980 Okay. Okay. We are back. We are back. I know that everyone has ordered a well-trained wife

00:23:36.320 by now that you took this break to both listen to our sponsors and order the book wherever books 1.00

00:23:42.400 are sold. We are going to leave our listeners with joy, with optimism. What can we do? What

00:23:49.000 should we be focusing our energy on? How can we make sure that this doesn't happen?

00:23:55.100 oh my goodness so first and foremost put your feet on the floor get up and walk like we have

00:24:01.560 agency and we have power and we have to stop buying into this idea that um subjugation is 0.88

00:24:06.920 inevitable no it's fucking not we've spent the past 100 years with progressive freedoms and we

00:24:12.920 do not give up ground now so that's number one and it starts in your day-to-day it starts in 0.85

00:24:17.780 the ways you choose and look at your life of what you can do it's um my healing process focuses a

00:24:24.740 lot on the serenity prayer and having the courage to change the things that we can there's a whole

00:24:29.380 process you go through where you'd like delineate well what's mine to do something about and what's

00:24:34.020 not but when you get really clear on what you can do something about that look that'll keep you

00:24:38.380 pretty busy you know you'll find the courage to use your voice and speak out that could be to the

00:24:43.240 person at the cubicle next to you that could be sharing a podcast that could be just keeping you

00:24:47.840 know your energy focused forward i really want a country that moves forward and grows so i focus

00:24:52.880 my energy on like the protopia i do not want a dystopia i will not spend any time talking about

00:24:59.140 going back to nathaniel hawthorne's age like a pilgrim i want to advance society that's the and

00:25:05.580 that's the god i believe in that is expansive gut loving giving god that acknowledges female

00:25:11.620 creation and celebrates it so um yeah talk to your daughters talk to your friends talk to your girls

00:25:18.380 And remember, we got this.

00:25:19.840 Like, all we need is the suburban mom vote. 1.00

00:25:22.200 The suburban moms is enough to put a stomp on the patriarchy. 1.00

00:25:27.760 It sure is. 1.00

00:25:28.220 It sure is.

00:25:28.640 I mean, I think that what a lot of people don't realize right now is that this election is going to come down to about 6% of suburban moms in, you know, six different states.

00:25:41.620 Honestly, it is a small sliver.

00:25:44.060 The hope that I felt today was, and we're recording this on a Monday, on the Monday where right after President Biden said he would not be running, and I am wearing a t-shirt that I got from Emily's List years ago, and it says, elect women.

00:26:04.700 and i walked down the street in philly today and i felt like fucking rocky okay i had people

00:26:12.780 cheering me on in my elect women shirt and i do totally believe that this energy is what is going 0.84

00:26:22.180 to carry us forward we needed this energy we were burnt out we were not we were not cohesive

00:26:28.520 and now that we finally have a path forward that is not an old white man and i am saying that with

00:26:34.380 so much love for Joe Biden. I love Joe Biden. I think he was an excellent president. I think he

00:26:38.360 did really tremendous work. But we need a youthful vibe. We need a different energy and we need a

00:26:45.800 reason to get women to the polls. And now we have one. And I think it is time for us to capture that 1.00

00:26:50.960 energy. Yeah. And she's already doing the job and she's already doing a great job. And I just

00:26:56.520 have so much confidence in women being able to clean this up. Women are the ones that have 1.00

00:27:01.960 suffered the most underneath it. And we can fix that. And if that is a Black woman is my favorite, 1.00

00:27:07.640 they have led the way so many times. And I will back that all day long. I'm here for you.

00:27:13.800 In solidarity. In solidarity forever and ever. I'm also very excited about the potential news.

00:27:20.300 I mean, this could be out of date by the time we run this, but about the potential news that

00:27:23.860 Josh Shapiro could be the VP. He is my governor in the great state of Pennsylvania. I love me some

00:27:29.460 some josh uh and i would be very excited about that this is an exciting good to hear yeah that's

00:27:35.200 very good here i feel like anybody she chooses as her running mate i will love because i love

00:27:40.100 her decisions i love her leadership so and i trust her i trust women i trust yeah i trust women i

00:27:45.760 trust women except i don't trust the women that were on the floor of the republican convention 0.94

00:27:49.940 oh my god i mean i feel for them i would lead them out of the wilderness i wrote this book

00:27:56.540 for women who are in the wilderness and i will be there alongside them helping them break free

00:28:01.360 because i was there i was i was a young republican and then i was not allowed to vote because the

00:28:06.860 patriarchy narrows and tightens its grip so i really take this as i feel this in my body i've

00:28:11.660 had this journey in my body and the fact that i can stand in a women's march now and say this is

00:28:16.660 what democracy looks like is hard-fought freedom that i want for everyone so yes yes yes yes and 0.99

00:28:24.580 Yes. I love this book. I love you. I could talk to you all day long, but you've got to go do

00:28:29.000 another interview because you're busy right now. So many interviews. And I love them all. And I

00:28:33.180 love the opportunity to share this. And thank you for purchasing my book. It's available everywhere.

00:28:37.600 Yes, I read the audio myself. Everyone asks that. Did you read it? I did. And I just really look

00:28:44.420 forward to hearing how it lands for readers. It's going to land. It's going to land with a

00:28:48.680 freaking boom, baby. It really is. I did not come here to be shy. That's the truth.

00:28:53.560 No, no. You know what? None of us came here to be shy. We came here to be loud.

00:28:58.860 Yes. Yes. Yes.

00:29:00.860 All right. Going to use it.

00:29:02.520 Going to use it. Goodbye, my dear.

00:29:05.320 Thank you.

00:29:07.480 And that is all we have for today. I love Tia Lovings. Grab her book, A Well-Trained Wife.

00:29:14.500 It's a terrifying read, but also an excellent read. I also I also think that people should buy 0.91

00:29:21.320 a copy and slip it into little free libraries, because you never know who is going to need

00:29:28.560 a book like this. And we want it. We really want it to reach the women who truly need it.

00:29:35.600 We do. Thank you for listening. If you love this podcast, please share it with a friend.

00:29:41.180 Leave us a review in all of the review places. As always, you're welcome to buy many copies

00:29:47.000 of the Sicilian inheritance, yet another book that is trying to take down the patriarchy,

00:29:53.180 albeit in a delicious way. Now go have a great day. Do something nice for yourself. You deserve it.

00:30:17.000 Thank you.

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Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - August 06, 2024

The Future Under the Christian Patriarchy with Tia Levings

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