Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - February 10, 2022


Women's Day Off the Internet

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Under the Influence Season 2 I Can't Quit You (or Can I?)

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00:00:00.000 Oh hey guys, welcome back.
00:00:04.920 It has been almost a year since I red-pilled you to follow me deep down the rabbit hole
00:00:09.520 of mom influencers, and you're still with me.
00:00:13.360 A year ago, I was a new mom for the second time and completely obsessed with the mom
00:00:19.140 influencers that I encountered during my lonely midnight hours scrolling my phone.
00:00:24.160 Who were they?
00:00:25.140 How did they do it?
00:00:26.140 Why was everything so clean and pretty and white?
00:00:31.260 Could I do it too?
00:00:33.760 Is this how I was going to make money in my 40s?
00:00:36.760 And I decided to find out.
00:00:38.960 As long-time listeners know, we discovered that as with all things involving women and moms,
00:00:45.480 influencing was a lot harder than it looked.
00:00:48.880 And a lot more precarious as a career.
00:00:52.020 Maybe, just maybe, not so great on the kids.
00:00:56.140 By the end of the season, I threw in my mom-influencer towel.
00:00:59.360 Just tossed it in the wash.
00:01:01.740 And I also wiped my Instagram clean of my kids.
00:01:05.400 Took their faces totally off the gram.
00:01:09.600 And then I took a break.
00:01:11.760 Hey guys, we just finished up getting ready.
00:01:13.660 Actually, it's been like 30 minutes, but luckily...
00:01:15.700 But the influencers did not.
00:01:18.340 Like gremlins being fed after midnight, influencers have only multiplied.
00:01:24.700 They're everywhere now.
00:01:26.140 Our 2021 Mrs. Utah America.
00:01:32.180 They are winning beauty pageants.
00:01:33.540 Mrs. Camas Valley.
00:01:35.900 Hannah Neelman.
00:01:38.020 Yes, my friends, at Ballerina Farm, that mother of six littles who's living her dream life with her soulmate in the wilds of Utah.
00:01:46.000 She was crowned Mrs. Utah.
00:01:49.260 Round of applause for Ballerina Farm.
00:01:50.660 there are so many influencers right now that we're actually able to start canceling them
00:01:59.080 when they do something we don't like
00:02:00.880 put your head right here
00:02:04.100 act like you're crying really quick
00:02:09.640 a lot of you messaged me about this video
00:02:13.640 it's mom and lifestyle influencers 0.98
00:02:20.660 Jordan Cheyenne when she accidentally posted a video where she's coaching her son to cry harder
00:02:27.960 over their sick and dying dog. It wasn't great. And Cheyenne has since been fully canceled from
00:02:39.340 the influencer verse. We all know that it is a slippery slope from posting your kids
00:02:44.360 to commodifying your kids to making your kids perform for your brand.
00:02:50.660 and that's the kind of story that inspired my break that and i also got recognized on the street
00:03:00.500 yeah don't get me wrong it was kind of a thrill i felt famous the young woman actually spotted
00:03:07.020 b first she spotted both b and i it was in rural wisconsin and she was so so lovely we took a
00:03:13.960 selfie together but it also made me realize maybe i'm just a little bit too out there and that's
00:03:20.180 and I logged off for a bit. But I knew I couldn't stay out forever. I had a book come out last
00:03:27.340 fall. I had to be a brand on the gram. Also, let's be honest. Instagram has infiltrated every
00:03:35.320 single aspect of our lives. It's where we get our parenting advice, our mental health support.
00:03:40.920 It's where a lot of your kids' teachers are getting their lesson plans. It's where women 1.00
00:03:44.820 go to get help with their fertility journeys. Instagram has become your therapist, your
00:03:49.200 parenting coach, your recipe book, and in order for me to make an actual living as an author,
00:03:54.700 it's a really important tool for me. Instagram, it's everything.
00:04:03.020 But speaking of everything, do you guys know Rule 34 about porn? Rule 34 does sound like the title
00:04:09.980 of a really bad science fiction movie, but Rule 34 for porn is that if a thing exists in the world,
00:04:16.500 there is some kind of porn about it, like an octopus is a thing in the world.
00:04:22.080 And do not Google it. Do not do it.
00:04:26.200 Right now, I want to propose Rule 35 for influencers.
00:04:30.880 If it exists in the world, there's probably an influencer for it. 0.98
00:04:35.780 According to a study from 2020, influencers of all kinds are majority female,
00:04:40.540 with women taking up about 15% more of the influencer space than men.
00:04:45.300 Audiences are also female and femme-dominated.
00:04:48.760 And because there's so many of them, so many of us, 1.00
00:04:51.860 it gives women a lot of power that we don't even realize that we have 1.00
00:04:55.460 as creators and consumers of all of this content.
00:04:59.500 Because of that, I feel more and more compelled to totally understand it,
00:05:03.180 to try to find both the good and the bad in it,
00:05:07.220 and maybe even help to make it better.
00:05:10.520 I recently talked about this with my good friend and the editor of this show.
00:05:15.240 You all know who she is.
00:05:17.060 The one, the only, the Glynnis McNichol.
00:05:21.320 Oh, gosh, it's just, it's so nice to be back on the mic with you.
00:05:24.360 I agree. It's nice to see you.
00:05:26.620 So I'm like curious, how was your break?
00:05:30.200 Was it a break?
00:05:31.840 I took about a two-week break from the gram,
00:05:35.560 but because of my job, I can't get off.
00:05:38.420 I am tethered. It's like an umbilical cord between me and my phone. What I have been pretty serious
00:05:44.240 about is I've wiped the kids' faces off the Instagram mostly and posted like one picture,
00:05:50.480 one or two pictures of them. And that has been awesome. Was it difficult to take them out of
00:05:59.300 your social media presence because they're such a huge part of your identity? Or was it a relief?
00:06:03.380 so at first it was really hard at first i felt like am i really a mom like and i really i wanted
00:06:12.700 to show i wanted to perform my momming for people but now i feel so much more present with them
00:06:19.740 because i'm not thinking about posting when i'm with them i'm like you can't post so put your 0.99
00:06:27.280 damn phone away. That's fascinating. Yeah. I know. I know. My big takeaway is that I don't want 0.99
00:06:35.440 social media to dominate their lives. Since we went off the air for last season, there have been
00:06:40.780 so many new studies about how heavy social media use causes an increased risk for depression,
00:06:48.180 anxiety, loneliness, self-harm, suicidal thoughts. According to the Facebook papers, that huge,
00:06:55.060 huge investigation that came out. These guys know that Facebook and Instagram are harmful
00:07:01.760 to young girls and no one is doing anything about it. The thing I find really fascinating too
00:07:09.660 is that what mom influencing really demonstrated to us is that this is a world that exists in many
00:07:17.200 ways because it was trying to compensate for an absence of support in the real world.
00:07:25.320 Totally. Why are teachers on Instagram selling other teachers lesson plans and, you know,
00:07:32.880 ways to cope with being in a classroom during COVID? Well, it's because the educational
00:07:38.400 infrastructure doesn't help teachers cope, but also doesn't pay nearly enough to buy supplies
00:07:45.420 for their classroom. So teachers have to hustle on Instagram. The influencer map on Instagram is
00:07:51.920 really a map of deficiency in the United States and in the world as it pertains to women largely.
00:08:01.260 And then you combine that with the addictive nature of social media. And again, it always,
00:08:08.580 as all of our conversations eventually do, leads us back to the question of who is actually making
00:08:13.960 the money here? Who actually has the power? And I think both those questions are, I don't know if
00:08:20.320 they're solvable, but being aware of the answers to them is so important for all of us trying to
00:08:27.040 exist in the year 2022. That's why this season we're digging into that. We're digging into
00:08:34.100 why we go to Instagram for so much support that is not being given to us in other places. And
00:08:40.360 we're still doing all the other stuff obviously we're still doing all the good stuff we would be
00:08:45.540 bored if we weren't I mean I cannot wait to get into the parasocial relationships that people 0.98
00:08:51.280 have with their mental health influencers I mean this is like this is some good shit 0.99
00:08:55.640 and do women and when I say women I mean like women all women together as a unified body which 0.98
00:09:03.800 we rarely are but if we were how much power do we have because it's actually significant we have
00:09:11.480 the most power i mean imagine for one second if women stopped using the internet for one day 0.94
00:09:20.620 just for 24 hours i really feel like if women stopped using the internet the entire planet
00:09:26.020 would shut down and we would very immediately understand how much power we have it is funny
00:09:33.440 that you mentioned that, my dear,
00:09:35.000 because I might just have a plan for that.
00:09:38.260 Ooh.
00:09:40.060 I'm excited for this season.
00:09:41.600 I think it's going to be alarming
00:09:43.540 and so juicy.
00:09:47.580 Here we go.
00:09:48.980 Here we go.
00:09:57.340 Just when you thought it was safe
00:09:58.720 to go back into the Instagram,
00:10:00.400 I'm here to blow it all up once again.
00:10:03.440 I'm Jo Piazza, and we're all under the influence.
00:10:28.040 Do all of you remember the day back in October when the Earth stood still?
00:10:33.440 Keep calm, everybody. Don't get excited.
00:10:37.380 The spaceship is opening up. Someone is coming out.
00:10:41.260 Okay, so that didn't really happen, but the world did fucking come to a screeching halt for more than five hours. 0.56
00:10:48.580 Or at least the world on Instagram and Facebook. 0.53
00:10:51.260 Social media giant Facebook and its Instagram and WhatsApp services have been hit by widespread outages.
00:10:58.720 Remember that? I feel like a lot of us just blocked it out.
00:11:02.580 We're like, whoa, that was just a bad dream.
00:11:06.660 But yes, due to some kind of crazy techie glitch,
00:11:10.860 for about five hours, all the Facebook platforms,
00:11:13.320 which included Instagram and WhatsApp, just went down.
00:11:17.380 Facebook's three billion users unable to access the site for most of the day.
00:11:22.260 People like me who've been trying to get off social media
00:11:24.580 learned exactly what it would feel like if it weren't our choice.
00:11:28.940 If we were just forced off of all of it.
00:11:30.960 if all of these platforms just went poof.
00:11:35.460 Keep up! Quiet!
00:11:39.460 I was losing my mind because it actually shut down
00:11:42.860 24 hours before my novel was due to come into the world. 0.95
00:11:48.400 How the fuck was I supposed to launch a book 0.83
00:11:50.980 when there was no Instagram? 0.96
00:11:53.180 But at the end of the day, it was fine.
00:11:54.780 It came back. We did the book stuff. We did the tour.
00:11:57.660 I was going to be fine.
00:11:59.620 The people who were allowed to freak out
00:12:01.540 were the ones who thought their entire livelihood
00:12:04.360 was about to go straight to hell in a handbasket.
00:12:08.480 The people who make their living off the Instagram. 0.99
00:12:12.380 The influencers.
00:12:15.460 There was some confusing technical explanation
00:12:19.100 over how and why the blackout happened.
00:12:23.080 But those five hours, they taught us a few things.
00:12:29.040 Chief among them is just how precarious this industry, that is very, very dependent on a single company that is not looking out for people's interests, actually is.
00:12:41.420 This company doesn't give content creators a safety net, health care, a pension.
00:12:47.780 If Instagram and Facebook go down for good, these jobs cease to exist.
00:12:53.340 And for a lot of people, that's going to be devastating. 0.96
00:12:59.040 I mean, shit show is the word that I would use to describe it. 0.99
00:13:04.220 That's Bridget Todd. 0.99
00:13:05.260 You may remember that we talked to her in season one for our episode about race and influencers.
00:13:10.180 Bridget is a digital activist, podcaster, and content creator, 0.91
00:13:14.140 and her main professional goal in life is to make the internet and the entire world a better place for women.
00:13:20.420 I called her right after the Instagram went poof to ask what this made her realize about our relationship to these platforms 0.97
00:13:27.240 and also to the tech billionaires who control them.
00:13:31.680 When Facebook went down back in October,
00:13:33.660 it was such a small glitch that took them down.
00:13:36.340 It really brings up the question,
00:13:38.500 should this global billion-dollar entity
00:13:41.220 that has so much control over our commerce,
00:13:43.920 our businesses, our communication,
00:13:45.580 our global communications with family overseas,
00:13:48.300 should they be able to be taken down by a tiny glitch?
00:13:50.960 And what happens when it's not a tiny glitch?
00:13:52.920 What happens when it's a bigger glitch?
00:13:54.300 What happens when it's out for a week, a month?
00:13:56.120 is this really what we want as we go forward?
00:14:00.360 The whole system is so corrupt and immoral.
00:14:04.440 And when Instagram went down,
00:14:06.840 I could only think of myself as a cog in this system
00:14:09.620 with no real way of escape.
00:14:11.400 It was really eye-opening.
00:14:13.820 I know, right? 1.00
00:14:15.260 Mostly women creators are just making content 1.00
00:14:18.860 that is fueling ad sales for these companies. 1.00
00:14:22.540 I mean, we're making, we're making the, like, you know, stuff that all the more sales can run on.
00:14:30.060 You know, the majority of Facebook's bottom line comes from us, just regular users.
00:14:35.080 We are the ones who make up, I think it's 92% of Facebook's revenue.
00:14:38.780 And so when you break down how many of those people are women, women and femmes, that is a big line item.
00:14:45.920 And so I think right now we're in this space where tech billionaires and the people who build these platforms do not feel in any way they need to be accountable to us.
00:14:54.600 But that's actually incorrect.
00:14:56.260 And so if we as women united together and said, hey, listen, until we are treated better, until these platforms value us, not just as users, not just as more money in their accounts, but as actual people, we're not going to be on them.
00:15:10.620 We could absolutely impact their bottom line.
00:15:13.240 Totally. Totally.
00:15:14.400 I want to show all of the men in charge of social media how much power women have. 1.00
00:15:19.940 I think it's more important for women to realize how much power we have. 1.00
00:15:24.740 Women do have power. 1.00
00:15:26.040 Look at the influencer economy, e-commerce, all of those like billion dollar industries. 1.00
00:15:31.700 The lifeblood and the life force of them are women. 1.00
00:15:34.820 Women content creators, women audiences, women social media users. 0.82
00:15:37.700 And so it only empowers the mostly male tech billionaires who are in charge when women don't see that power, when women are just thinking, oh, I'm just one Instagram user. I'm just a mommy blogger. I'm just an influencer. Every time you hear that in your head, Mark Zuckerberg is making another million. Right. And so when we own our power, the power that we have collectively, only then will we be able to really present a kind of threat that I think can make a better change and make a more equitable, you know, feminist Internet. 0.96
00:16:07.700 a more feminist internet wouldn't that be nice 0.98
00:16:14.820 but how in this universe could we even start to get there 0.95
00:16:20.440 ever since the day that the internet stood still i've been wondering how the hell can we show the 1.00
00:16:28.120 exactly how valuable women are on the internet how all of us how much power we have well we
00:16:36.000 mentioned something in our final episode of season one that gave me a little bit of an idea. 1.00
00:16:45.200 On October 24th, 1975, 90% of women in Iceland went on strike. They didn't do housework, 1.00
00:16:52.920 they didn't buy anything, they didn't participate in the economy, and they shut it all the fuck 0.99
00:16:58.160 down. People in Iceland still look back on that day as the day the entire country started paying 0.87
00:17:05.240 better attention to women and the work that they do. Imagine if all of us went off social media
00:17:09.820 for just one day. We would destroy it. We would destroy the entire system.
00:17:18.320 Maybe that's something we should do in season two. 1.00
00:17:24.860 Today, I want to talk about this one massively huge event in the history of women's labor
00:17:29.640 movements that you've probably never heard of. Hello, Erla. How are things in Iceland right now?
00:17:42.120 They're just fine. Thank you. It's all going upwards now with the COVID and everything.
00:17:48.920 Yeah, so we're going to Iceland. Not physically, of course. We decided not to ruin Iceland's
00:17:54.400 COVID recovery with my gross American germs. I miss Iceland. Last time I was there, my taxi 0.94
00:18:03.160 driver told me that he was Bjork's cousin. And I didn't know if that was a joke that they tell
00:18:08.780 every American that comes in their taxi. Well, not necessarily. You never know. He might be.
00:18:15.180 That's Erla. She's got a very long and complicated, but very beautiful Icelandic last name. So I'm
00:18:21.580 going to let her introduce herself. My name is Ertla Hulta Haldurstadir. I'm a professor of
00:18:27.520 history at the University of Iceland, and my expertise is women's and gender history. So,
00:18:35.940 yeah, women and gender are my thing. She's not here to fact check if I really met Bjƶrk's cousin,
00:18:41.900 but she is here to tell us about a spectacular event in her country's history that completely
00:18:48.220 changed how the entire country of Iceland viewed women. The Women's Day Off.
00:18:59.360 The Women's Day Off was a strike. It was a strike by all the women in Iceland that made everyone 1.00
00:19:05.020 who lived in Iceland, women and men, wake the hell up to how much women mattered to the country's
00:19:10.240 economy. What was the Women's Day Off, and why did it happen? The original idea was that women 1.00
00:19:19.480 should go on a strike. So one of the things they had to decide on was if it should be a strike
00:19:26.040 or a Women's Day Off. And as you can imagine, there were very different views on that.
00:19:33.360 I'll bet there were, because the word strike holds such, it can hold such negative connotations.
00:19:40.240 Right? Yes, exactly. And the more radical groups and many women workers, they wanted to call it a strike, that it should be a strike. Otherwise, it wouldn't have any effect. But in the end, women agreed on calling it a day off. Then everyone, both the more conservative and the radical could agree on, we call it a day off. And as a matter of fact, it turned out to be a success.
00:20:10.240 There's amazing radio and video footage that exists in this event, and watching it, it looks like it was a party, like a real rager.
00:20:19.600 The crowds completely fill up Reykjavik streets, there's a big stage where women are giving speeches, and suddenly everyone just erupts in song.
00:20:27.180 It was a great event that had much effect on many women, both in Reykjavik and all around the country, where there were smaller events going on.
00:20:49.620 What is so remarkable about this event is that the purpose was for social change.
00:20:55.160 More than for passing equal rights laws or establishing legal protections,
00:20:59.420 the women who marched and protested really just wanted to change the way men thought about women in their work.
00:21:05.780 Let's say they were dissatisfied, very dissatisfied about their position in society,
00:21:10.080 because even though they had been granted all civil rights quite early on in the early 20th century,
00:21:16.840 there were still, you know, these glass ceilings and barriers that women faced in the form of ideologies
00:21:23.460 And just how people thought, people thought that women should be mainly mothers and housewives. 1.00
00:21:30.960 That was their main role in society.
00:21:33.360 So Iceland being represented as feminist paradise today, the land of equality, it has not very long historical roots.
00:21:43.740 You sent me a document that says, why a day off for women?
00:21:47.800 And I'm reading these reasons and I'm actually tearing up while reading them.
00:21:53.460 Things like because it's commonly said about a housewife, she isn't working, just keeping
00:21:59.520 house, because when someone is needed for a badly paid, low-status job, the advertisement
00:22:05.660 specifies a woman, because whether an applicant for a job is male or female is often considered
00:22:13.840 more important than education or competence.
00:22:17.340 And I think about so many of those things, and there's still problems in America today.
00:22:23.460 Did your day off actually fix anything there?
00:22:28.720 I think we can say it did have positive effects on institutions, on government, and on women's own self-esteem.
00:22:41.560 And in fact, when Viltis Fimboadóttir, former president of Iceland, was elected president in 1980, she has said that she would not have had the courage to do that unless she had experienced this power and how women could stand together.
00:23:05.780 That former president that Erla just mentioned was also the first female president in all of Europe. So yeah, you can say that the Women's Day Off really did accomplish a lot.
00:23:16.160 What I think is so interesting about the Women's Day Off is that it focused so much on the economics. 0.75
00:23:27.380 Marching is great. 0.91
00:23:28.480 Protesting is great.
00:23:29.600 But unless you're costing someone money, it is hard to make them pay attention to you, especially men. 0.96
00:23:37.040 Do you think that the fact that they stopped contributing to society in lots of ways, working, but then housewives were also like,
00:23:44.600 I'm not doing the work I do in the home. 0.83
00:23:46.940 Is that what started to spur the change?
00:23:51.220 Absolutely.
00:23:52.380 I think it really matters because if you just think about, you know, institutions like banks,
00:24:00.120 so many of the clerks were women.
00:24:03.060 So when they went to the celebrations and to the demonstration during the day off, 1.00
00:24:09.180 who had to do this work?
00:24:10.840 Well, the bank managers. 1.00
00:24:13.220 Well, this value of women's work, what they were doing, it was a very important part of the banks.
00:24:21.240 And as for the homes, the grand narrative about the day says that all hot dogs were sold out in Iceland
00:24:28.300 because you just put them in hot water and they're ready in minutes.
00:24:32.260 And that was what every father was cooking for the children.
00:24:37.740 the stores ran out of hot dogs
00:24:42.440 they ran out of hot dogs
00:24:44.140 because it was all that the dads could cook
00:24:46.140 I love this detail
00:24:48.600 so much
00:24:49.780 but the fathers learned about more than just food
00:24:52.560 they learned about child care too
00:24:54.640 at the Icelandic
00:24:56.600 broadcasting service
00:24:58.140 the TV
00:24:58.900 there were quite many young men working there then
00:25:01.860 and they took the children with them
00:25:03.720 to work
00:25:04.560 and they set up a kind of kindergarten
00:25:07.380 there. And some of them always had to look after the children while the others were working.
00:25:13.280 So they felt it very much too, that they depended on women's work, whether it was their wife or just
00:25:21.960 women doing all kinds of work in society, as in supermarkets, as in kindergartens or all these
00:25:31.000 institutions. Kindergarten in Iceland refers to daycare, and today the country has very good,
00:25:39.580 very subsidized daycare facilities that a child starts at one years old after the year of
00:25:45.460 government-mandated parental leaves. Fuck you, America. Needless to say, there is so much that 1.00
00:25:55.320 we can learn about this in 2022. Of course, as a historian, I always think it's good to
00:26:03.020 know a bit about history and how much women that came before us, how much they did do to create
00:26:14.960 opportunities and spaces for us who are living and breathing now, allowing us to do the things
00:26:22.760 we have dreamt of
00:26:24.800 and that's why it's also
00:26:26.660 important for us
00:26:28.680 to continue this work
00:26:30.940 and secure the
00:26:32.600 future of younger women
00:26:34.320 and those who will come. 1.00
00:26:39.580 Let's make Erla
00:26:40.700 proud. Let's make all of
00:26:42.780 Iceland proud.
00:26:44.840 In fact, let's make Iceland look at us 1.00
00:26:46.840 as a feminist utopia. 1.00
00:26:48.940 Cue evil laugh here because that's never 1.00
00:26:50.820 going to happen.
00:26:53.520 But it could if we all work together. 0.96
00:26:55.900 When we get back from a break, we are going to figure out how to apply the lessons learned from the Women's Day Off in Iceland to our goal of showing women just how much power they control on the internet. 0.59
00:27:06.340 We're just inching our way, baby steps, closer and closer to the feminist internet. 1.00
00:27:11.460 it. Based on everything that I learned from Erla and from talking to Bridget, I now have this 0.97
00:27:26.920 little idea. And it might be crazy. It's probably freaking crazy. But it also might be totally
00:27:33.060 genius. I think I'm ready to start sharing about this plan, to start sharing it with the world.
00:27:38.840 Of course, first I went back to Glynis, and then I had to fill her in on the whole Icelandic women's day off bit.
00:27:45.900 Of course, she found it just as inspiring as I do.
00:27:50.140 We have so much power.
00:27:51.920 We have so much power. 1.00
00:27:52.960 And women on the internet, as content creators, but also as consumers of content, we hold all the fucking power. 1.00
00:28:00.340 Yeah. 0.98
00:28:00.800 And it is time for us to see it.
00:28:02.620 Yeah.
00:28:03.020 To show everyone else.
00:28:04.260 Yeah.
00:28:04.440 And to finally talk about it.
00:28:06.320 I think, number one, it's time for us to see it because the second you realize you have that much power,
00:28:10.300 it becomes you stop asking permission to exercise it and start telling people what you're going to do with it is hopefully.
00:28:16.820 Hopefully the outcome of this. 0.94
00:28:18.420 So I'm going to announce right here that we are going to declare the Women's Day off the Internet. 0.94
00:28:23.180 We're going to talk to every influencer we know, every content creator we know, 0.63
00:28:26.980 every woman we know that buys nap dresses on the Internet. 1.00
00:28:30.180 So we need to decide what day we want women to take off the Internet. 0.96
00:28:33.680 And I'm going to pose that question to our social media accounts. 0.73
00:28:36.720 We're not going to announce it today.
00:28:38.160 My God, wouldn't it be great if it was Black Friday? 0.81
00:28:39.780 That would really fuck up everybody. 0.93
00:28:40.900 Oh, my God, that would really fuck up the world.
00:28:42.400 Yeah. 0.99
00:28:42.720 Let's fuck up the world, Glynis. 0.95
00:28:43.980 Or it could be Boxing Day, which is the day after Christmas, although that's not such a big deal in the States. 1.00
00:28:47.740 So Canadian.
00:28:49.260 It's British, but yes, Canadians do it too.
00:28:51.640 Or it could be Amazon Prime Day.
00:28:53.940 Which is when?
00:28:54.680 I don't know. 1.00
00:28:55.460 For all women to stop using Amazon as like a labor protest would be... 1.00
00:28:59.520 Yeah. 1.00
00:29:00.060 So we've got a lot of work to do.
00:29:01.620 So we're doing work this season.
00:29:06.540 Of course, now to make this work, I'm going to have to talk to a lot of people and convince a lot of people to maybe not make money for a day.
00:29:16.180 Because everyone has to be on board.
00:29:18.080 Everyone has to be on board if we're going to do this.
00:29:21.180 I went back to Erla to see what insight she had.
00:29:23.540 so one of the reasons that we're digging into this is because we're this podcast is about
00:29:32.420 women who create content on the internet who create instagram content and facebook content
00:29:40.000 and tiktok content they're called influencers here and it's an it's an actual job uh that we 0.64
00:29:46.460 think is very discounted. And frankly, they're the engines that make a lot of the internet run.
00:29:54.120 Some of them make very, very good money, but a lot of them are just getting by. They certainly
00:29:58.680 have no social safety net, no childcare, no healthcare. And I'm curious if we talk about
00:30:04.820 a woman's day off for all women that create content on the internet, if men will finally
00:30:10.360 recognize that women are doing so much work? Well, that's a fascinating question, really,
00:30:18.360 and thought, because, yeah, I think that people would surely see that and feel on their skin how 1.00
00:30:28.200 much work these women are doing. Yeah, we'll see if this works. I'm definitely, definitely inspired 1.00
00:30:36.220 by the work that all of the women have done over there. 0.91
00:30:40.400 And, you know, it's an uphill battle for all of us.
00:30:43.820 We're all still, I feel like now we're working five times as hard
00:30:48.240 to get, you know, five inches of progress these days.
00:30:53.340 But perhaps I should also add, because I just wanted to say
00:30:57.720 that the Women's Day was a success,
00:31:01.440 but of course not all women participated.
00:31:03.680 because some of them they were frustrated they didn't want to take part they thought it was all
00:31:10.220 some fuss and and women making noise and trouble and they didn't want to participate and they felt
00:31:17.480 they decided some of them just to stay at home in order to reject those feminist ideas 1.00
00:31:26.180 so they stayed at home and then there were women for instance just like my mom who was a farmer's 1.00
00:31:34.500 wife in the countryside she had no chance of chance of going anywhere to celebrate someone 0.98
00:31:41.340 had to do the work because my father was away working in the slaughterhouse in the in the
00:31:47.960 nearest town because they had to earn some more money.
00:31:51.100 So it's just to add that not all women who had the chance to participate and not all
00:31:58.940 women who were willing to do it.
00:32:01.780 But in the aftermath and as the years go by, many women wish they had participated because
00:32:11.660 it has become a part of the mainstream history of feminism in Europe in the 1970s.
00:32:18.800 And of course, when you look back, you would like to have been a part of it.
00:32:22.520 You never know how history turns out.
00:32:25.100 No, you don't. 1.00
00:32:25.600 But it is worth noting that for a lot of women, being able to take off is a privilege. 1.00
00:32:32.720 It is.
00:32:33.280 It is hard for everyone to say no, because when you have to support your family, and as
00:32:40.420 women, I think that we know this a lot of times better than men, you're going to do
00:32:44.740 what you have to do.
00:32:46.640 Yeah.
00:32:47.760 These are difficult times.
00:32:52.580 Erla has given me so much to think about here.
00:32:55.520 This is just one of the reasons that we're going to go so deep 1.00
00:32:58.120 into the different kinds of women's work on the internet this season 0.98
00:33:00.960 and how their work is both visible and invisible online. 0.70
00:33:05.620 If this is going to work, 0.99
00:33:07.060 this grand plan to make the internet more feminist, 1.00
00:33:09.820 to create a feminist utopia on the internet, 1.00
00:33:12.640 we really need to see the scope of what women do 0.97
00:33:15.040 and then figure out how the majority of women, all women from all classes, can take part.
00:33:22.420 So here's my plan, our plan. 0.51
00:33:25.360 We're calling for a women's day off the internet. 1.00
00:33:28.880 One day. 1.00
00:33:30.320 One day when women say, fuck it, fuck you, I won't create content, 1.00
00:33:35.400 I won't buy things that are sold to me on Instagram, 1.00
00:33:37.520 and in fact, I will not buy anything on the internet.
00:33:40.840 I will not tweet, I will not gram, I will not post,
00:33:44.040 I will not story. I will not talk. I'm sure there are other words that I can make fake
00:33:49.920 verbs out of. What'll happen? What'll happen if women actually do it? Will it be like the day
00:33:56.440 when the Instagrams went dark? Will the internet be filled with the hot dogs of internet content,
00:34:04.820 which I believe to be dick and fart jokes and cat games?
00:34:08.640 First, I decided to go back to Bridget Todd and ask if she would join me. 0.77
00:34:22.060 Will you join me in the Women's Day off the Internet? 0.59
00:34:25.380 Well, you know I'm in.
00:34:27.740 If we all together, collectively, get off of Facebook for just three days,
00:34:33.300 we can really hit their bottom line and show them that we are a force to be reckoned with.
00:34:37.100 I am really kind of excited because I feel like, as someone who's been talking a lot about how awful these platforms are, I think that we're at a time right now, like never before, where people are listening, thanks to whistleblowers like Sophie Zong and Frances Hagen.
00:34:53.620 I think that people are finally starting to see, hey, we can't just have every year a new Mark Zuckerberg or Sheryl Sandberg apology saying, oh, we're sorry, we didn't know, we didn't know, we didn't know.
00:35:04.520 at a certain point, you know. And so what's the next question? You can't just keep apologizing
00:35:11.140 and not changing. And I think that the public is starting to see that these companies,
00:35:15.840 we are their lifeblood and they need to be accountable to us. I think that these days,
00:35:20.100 we are seeing people really understand their power as people who use the internet. You may
00:35:24.940 not have a computer science degree, but you don't need one to know what your own experience online
00:35:29.100 is like, we are powerful.
00:35:31.000 We are a force.
00:35:31.860 And so, you know,
00:35:33.120 I don't necessarily trust
00:35:34.660 tech billionaires
00:35:35.780 to do the right thing,
00:35:36.820 but I trust in our power
00:35:38.440 to force them to do the right thing.
00:35:44.340 All right, we'll do something fun that day.
00:35:46.160 We can go on a road trip that day.
00:35:47.660 We can go up to the Catskills that day.
00:35:49.420 We'll go fishing
00:35:50.080 and we'll all wear nap dresses that day.
00:35:54.620 Yes, I picture myself
00:35:55.860 in like an ankle length nap dress
00:35:58.140 and, like, some bloodstone boots, you know, out chopping woods, being one with nature.
00:36:06.800 Everything that Bridget said was complete gold.
00:36:09.720 She's totally right.
00:36:11.380 Keeping things as they are and maintaining the status quo is not going to be good for anyone. 0.98
00:36:17.280 The status quo sucks. 0.93
00:36:19.300 That is a thing we need to say out loud way more than we already do. 0.99
00:36:22.180 As Glynis also mentioned earlier
00:36:25.840 we know that social media can be bad for us
00:36:28.840 but no one's doing anything about it
00:36:31.220 Next week we have an episode
00:36:39.340 that completely blew my mind
00:36:42.340 We are going to talk about exactly what we're risking
00:36:45.160 when we're on Instagram
00:36:46.540 the dangers to ourselves, our mental health
00:36:49.500 and even our families
00:36:52.040 The last two years were just a lot of reflection and trying to figure out what I really wanted to get out of Instagram. 0.99
00:37:01.640 And the short answer to that was fucking nothing. 0.98
00:37:06.720 If you post a picture of your child online and it reaches even one other person who chooses to repost it, other people could still find that image. 0.98
00:37:16.800 They gave us new names.
00:37:18.520 They gave us basically new personalities.
00:37:21.420 They obviously made it look like I ran the account as the mom.
00:37:24.940 And they had a story highlight for each of us.
00:37:27.660 It was this thing called role play that I had no idea existed. 0.99
00:37:35.260 Told you it was fucking crazy. 0.99
00:37:38.920 I'm Joe Piazza, and I could not be happier that you were under the influence. 0.99
00:37:46.180 Under the Influence is hosted and reported by me, Joe Piazza.
00:37:52.660 Our senior producer is Emily Marinoff.
00:37:54.920 Glunas McNichol is our editor.
00:37:57.240 Abu Zafar is our producer.
00:37:59.440 We got additional production help from Aaron Peterson.
00:38:02.000 And our associate producer is Lauren Phillip.
00:38:04.600 Sound design and mixing from Jackie Huntington.
00:38:07.540 Our theme and additional music was composed by Jessica Kreinchich.
00:38:11.520 Anna Stumpf is our consulting producer.
00:38:13.160 And she's also one of my favorite people in the whole world.
00:38:16.180 And we are executive produced by me, Joe, and Nikki Torr.