Unlearn16: Class is in Session - The One Where Ana Pac and I ＂Bite The Rainbow＂

00:00:00.000 class is in session okay welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session look at who i have with me

00:00:07.760 today hello it is anna pack my fiancee for those who are just listening and she is here

00:00:14.080 oh i have her for a whole hour folks a whole hour you don't ever want to talk this that's a lot of

00:00:19.040 talking i don't know if i can do a whole hour don't worry i can tell all right so we have her

00:00:23.520 here and what we're really going to focus on is the fact that this incredible woman really has

00:00:28.400 sort of a whole host of talents she's a professional dancer tap and hip-hop although i'm pretty good

00:00:34.400 i mean she's good but i mean i'm almost there you're so close so so close uh an actor and now

00:00:42.960 a singer and a recording artist so this recording artist part is what we're going to talk about

00:00:48.880 you jumping into the music industry in this particular way and it kind of happened i want

00:00:54.560 say out of the blue i mean i've we've been together for two years and right at the very beginning

00:00:58.960 you're like oh by the way guess what i have a song coming out i mean that's how how we started

00:01:03.920 so why don't you tell our listeners and our viewers how that kind of came to pass and then

00:01:10.480 we're going to roll up into what she's doing right now because it's very cool so stay tuned

00:01:14.960 well careful she says she's not a talker but wait till you hear her story times here we go

00:01:20.080 this one time i'm just one time i was uh i was on set so i was doing an acting job so i was on set

00:01:27.440 and they had a bunch of tables and i sat at this table and then a gentleman comes and sits at the

00:01:31.760 table and we started talking because you know you have to wait a long time when you're on set

00:01:36.800 and we started talking about music and i was saying how i was interested in getting into that

00:01:42.560 and um and he goes oh well i'm i'm a songwriter like i i do this for for a living and he starts

00:01:48.640 naming songs off that he's done and then he says i actually wrote um when a mama's boy meets a

00:01:55.120 daddy's girl which if you're a country fan if you're a country fan there's a dog in the song

00:02:01.920 though i don't think so no no anyways it's a it's a beautiful wedding song and i was like oh my gosh

00:02:09.760 i love that song and so um i showed i had at that time i had a couple clips on youtube of me singing

00:02:17.200 cover songs because i wanted to get into it and so i know what's your favorite cover song is so

00:02:22.880 probably sucker for you by the challenge i love that song i'm not sure okay

00:02:31.040 and so i showed it to him and he said yeah absolutely like pop i can do that too and um

00:02:37.120 we started talking about this song that he was currently working on and then the next day 0.97

00:02:41.280 same table same situation same set but now a lovely lady comes over and she sits at the table

00:02:47.360 with us it just sounds so crazy guys it sounds like insane you're just sitting there and all

00:02:54.800 of a sudden you're you're thinking in your head i'm going to throw out a couple covers like how

00:02:59.040 many covers would you say you would have had on at that point maybe three great three three songs

00:03:05.280 right three songs three covers you're sort of taping yourself in your house

00:03:10.200 right yeah three songs three covers and and all of a sudden you've you've

00:03:14.940 thought about it you're kind of thinking about it I want to get into it and a guy

00:03:19.260 sits next you said oh by the way I wrote one of the most you know famous songs in

00:03:23.700 country music very recently let's write some stuff together and then guys and 0.95

00:03:29.760 And then this woman sits next to you and she says that she owns a record label.

00:03:36.220 So she overhears us talking about writing this song and working on the song.

00:03:42.740 And then she says that she has a record label.

00:03:45.340 And so she said, I started talking to her to see, like, to have more information.

00:03:49.520 And she goes, I need these.

00:03:51.380 I can't remember what the three things that she asked me for.

00:03:53.780 But I remember she asked the three things.

00:03:55.100 And she goes, I need these three things.

00:03:56.760 That's so upsetting.

00:03:57.680 Because the people at home are probably like, what three things do you need, Anna?

00:04:00.760 I don't remember.

00:04:01.420 Maybe they want to get into the music business.

00:04:03.260 And she, guys, she's not holding these three things close to her chest or anything.

00:04:07.720 But it's funny because when we talk about it today, even she can't remember what three

00:04:12.440 things she asked me for.

00:04:14.260 She's just sitting there and she's like, all right, I'm going to see if this kid's serious.

00:04:17.140 So I'm just going to give her three random things.

00:04:18.680 One of them was run 100 meters under 11 seconds and tape it.

00:04:23.080 Anyways.

00:04:24.060 And so she handed me her card. 1.00

00:04:25.840 and then that's how that's how that started and then um she was you know she was down for it she

00:04:31.680 was all for it and then steven and i steven uh lawrence which is the gentleman who is the song

00:04:37.460 writer right he had previously uh written this song and he says i kind of have this idea but

00:04:43.960 let's mold it to like what your sound would be let's mold it to what you want to say and so we

00:04:48.960 took that song and then worked on changing a couple lyrics and making it fit to something that i would

00:04:54.300 sing and then we went and recorded it and then um it was um handed to DJ Danny D he wanted to do

00:05:04.080 a remix to it that's a famous Toronto uh DJ just for for those listeners who are from the state so

00:05:11.580 I don't know but nonetheless and so yeah he was he was very much interested and he made a remix to

00:05:18.520 it um and then that's how down in my whip which was my first single came to be very cool and so

00:05:24.920 you do and this happens quick yeah i feel like this happened really quick like you sat down

00:05:30.260 it took a minute to come out i feel like it took a while to come out yeah but you sat and all of a

00:05:34.780 sudden and then it's like okay so we got the first one done under your belt that one became more

00:05:40.140 techno i think than you're necessarily your vibe is now i think you're more pop right yeah so the

00:05:45.500 Remix was like an EDM pop dance.

00:05:49.620 That kind of, yeah.

00:05:50.840 I'll sing it for you later, guys.

00:05:52.700 I'm going to have to charge.

00:05:53.920 Okay, so you did that and then you wanted to sit down

00:05:57.180 and now you got to really sit down

00:05:59.540 and think about what your sound's going to be,

00:06:01.620 what songs you want to sing, all of those kind of things.

00:06:04.020 And for me, I'd be like,

00:06:06.480 oh my God, I have so many things to say,

00:06:08.340 so many important words,

00:06:09.560 so many important political, social justice.

00:06:12.280 I'm going to, and for you,

00:06:15.500 I what's your motivation? It's, um, it's positivity. It sounds as cheesy as it does.

00:06:23.580 Everything that I think about and everything that I do is all about listening to who you are and

00:06:30.960 your heart and just being positive about it. That's my spin on everything. So when I write

00:06:36.940 music and what I want to put things out, it's about having the strength and the mindset to be

00:06:42.680 able to shift things when maybe they're not so positive into a positive because

00:06:48.860 okay we're gonna get to where you are now but were you ever scared we ever

00:06:52.580 like I haven't really like have you had significant training at this point like

00:06:58.040 at that point when you're getting into singing of singing I had taken a couple

00:07:02.720 lessons here and there right but when you played the piano yes and you play the

00:07:07.180 guitar so you were no you taught yourself how to play I I played I've

00:07:11.400 played classical piano but i wanted to learn how to play guitar so then i youtube it and i started

00:07:16.840 teaching myself how that noise is my cat mining plastic for those that that could be like what's

00:07:22.760 that mm what's that when people listen to sounds and it soothes them oh i know what you're talking

00:07:29.240 about whatever that is anyways that was she settled now so you won't hear that again um

00:07:38.680 okay so you you i mean you've been around music your whole life your whole life as a dancer

00:07:44.440 constantly working with music but when i say what drives you then so what drives you is

00:07:48.680 positivity which is amazing and i can't believe we're getting married because not that i'm not

00:07:52.360 positive but i'm a very different kind of positive because i i focus a lot on problems i focus a lot

00:07:58.600 on argumentation i focus you know and you're not you're like joe enough with the arguing can we

00:08:04.360 we just like we just be happy can you just pick a favorite color um so that is your driving force

00:08:11.120 but then when it came to the music itself why pop because you're like pure pop 100 people are always

00:08:17.840 like what kind of music and they're always like well not quite pop this one no no all in one i

00:08:22.580 grew up with the backstreet boys um they were my first love and then what was that face for

00:08:30.160 and then barry manilow you think barry manilow's pop oh yeah what do you mean what do you think

00:08:39.000 barry manilow is i don't know oh 100 pop chum fm is that pop yeah i thought there was a different

00:08:45.600 classification i don't know if we can put i love you barry and backstreet do those two go in the

00:08:52.100 same category absolutely i think so i'm so confused can you find pop music for me then

00:08:55.920 i need some education i think it's popular isn't that what it stands for oh my god i almost spit

00:09:03.880 out my tea all on anyways i want when i have an idea for a song i always say i want to be able

00:09:11.340 to dance to it so that's your driving force yes so when i'm talking to my producer it's always like

00:09:17.800 oh i might need a little more of this so that i can dance to or can you give me a hit a drum can

00:09:22.820 you give me some kind of sound that I can then choreograph around right so your your performance

00:09:29.760 then will always be like singing but every single performance you're gonna have is you're gonna have

00:09:35.920 dancing in it you have you you're gonna have dancers you're gonna it's gonna be that level

00:09:39.140 of energy at some point I would like to get to writing some kind of ballad which I would like

00:09:45.520 to just sit and have like a guitar player with me and just kind of sing that one out but for the most

00:09:51.920 part you're gonna play the guitar no it'll be about me the ballad will be about you okay all

00:09:59.440 hey listen i just found out the difference between the beat and the rhythm so i'm i'm

00:10:04.480 i'm almost there okay explain it to them well no please i i'd really like to see your take on it

00:10:10.880 i just feel like the beat is the underlying base of the entire song whereas the rhythm changes can

00:10:18.880 change like is the the underpinnings of the melody like how fast it goes how slow it goes how it

00:10:24.720 changes up but the beat remains consistent the rhythm can change absolutely look at you guys if

00:10:30.000 i would have learned that years ago i had no idea do you know how long i've been dancing to the

00:10:35.440 rhythm and you can dance to both you can you can always dance i don't know if i can i'm just gonna

00:10:42.560 blame the beat and the rhythm but nonetheless okay so you want to write positive you want to

00:10:47.680 to be able to dance to it that you're driving for so what's your second song you write my second

00:10:52.080 song was called this is and it's about rallying up everybody into that same mentality of let's

00:11:03.800 be positive let's have a good time you be you let's do it do you think you've always been like

00:11:10.680 that subconsciously maybe i remember with skating i used to be a short track speed skater and i

00:11:19.100 remember on the track like on the road to the olympics um i remember my mom always saying

00:11:25.640 think positive just go just think positive right so it's always been in the back of my mind i think

00:11:33.860 more recently I would say in the last maybe five or six years I've really like dug into it and

00:11:42.500 studied it and so the the idea of those who are listening and and you can hear her beads clacking

00:11:49.700 around all over the place but the idea and I just touched them so don't worry in her hair she's like

00:11:54.140 in her head she's like I'm supposed to touch them she's got to go cleanse them we'll be back right

00:11:59.280 after anna cleanser beat no um but that and the ability to focus and the ability to manifest and

00:12:06.160 the ability to direct energies and control energies that's pretty much that's that's you

00:12:11.880 in a nutshell like that's that's your absolutely that's what i believe and that's what i spent

00:12:17.020 hours learning about and yeah you've read immersing myself absolutely on manifesting on all of those

00:12:24.760 kinds of things in which I, we don't see. If you want to start, The Secret is a great book to start

00:12:31.400 with. And, and you would say that it's this kind of manifestation. It's this kind of energy that

00:12:36.940 you're putting out there that, that had Steven sit next to you and had Veronica come to you the

00:12:41.160 next day and had everything else rolling out. Absolutely. Listen, there's part of it that I

00:12:45.940 agree with. I mean, I don't know why you hate it when I touch your beat so much, but like there's

00:12:50.760 part of it that I get I get having you know for those out there who aren't like Anna who haven't

00:12:56.820 studied it who are more like me I kind of equate it to fake it till you make it and I know there's

00:13:02.180 people out there gonna be like Joanne that's not the same but the idea is you gotta be who you

00:13:08.940 want to be in order to get there that's it right if you want to be a singer act like a singer be

00:13:15.740 a singer don't don't just hope for it one day figure out how to be that you got it i'm sure

00:13:21.580 you got to do what it is that you want to do and just be it right so that you're not someone used

00:13:29.740 to someone that i used to follow on youtube used to say it's be do have not have be and do

00:13:38.220 hmm it's so interesting though because i think a lot of people would

00:13:44.620 i mean i think a lot of people are in circumstances where it's just so heavy

00:13:50.820 and so hard right to to put their mind outside of the circumstances in which they're in like

00:13:58.020 you and i have had let's be honest pretty charmed lives in a lot of way we have very supportive

00:14:03.280 families. We come from backgrounds economically where we've always been very much supported and

00:14:09.220 then been able to support ourselves. You know what I mean? And it's interesting because when

00:14:12.740 we say that, I don't want to be flippant about it because there's one thing to be able to do that

00:14:18.920 when you're sitting in a situation that is, you know, easier than others. But I would say it's

00:14:24.940 probably just as important, if not more important, that the worse your situation, the more that you

00:14:29.440 can control you know that part of your mind i think so too okay so you're right this is um i

00:14:36.520 think you know somebody pretty attractive films that video please go check it out on youtube

00:14:41.100 and this is and and then what and then and then we get to blast off right light years and beyond

00:14:49.400 which is i wanted to write a song about how i felt about you and so and so i got together with

00:14:58.020 uh wendy who's the other writer on the song and there was more people who as well collaborated in

00:15:05.260 the music side of it and all that kind of stuff and we we wrote blast off so no video for blast

00:15:12.540 off there's a lyric video lyric video video yeah and then very soon after blast off you're like i

00:15:20.880 have this idea like you've been talking about this idea for a while i want to say yeah months and

00:15:26.080 months yeah you've loved this idea you came up with this idea it was and it's the first time

00:15:30.940 i've seen you really jump into the lyrics like it's not that you didn't care about the lyrics

00:15:35.260 before and you didn't write but it's just like i never saw you care so much about wording and

00:15:40.700 about intent of a song than when you got to this one now in all fairness it's your fourth like i

00:15:46.420 mean we're not deep in here but but you really care about the lyrics so this song is called

00:15:51.680 Bite the Rainbow. And this is the song you're going to be performing at Pride this coming

00:15:56.780 weekend, June 25th, five o'clock, five o'clock on church, just south of Gould. For anybody in

00:16:02.640 the Toronto area, please come check it out on the Proud FM stage. I'm going to put that all

00:16:06.900 at the bottom here so people can see that as well. But you're writing these lyrics now mean

00:16:12.020 something and they have weight. And you start talking about this song the way that I talk about,

00:16:16.800 you know elections in the united states all of a sudden you're like all revved up and like no it's

00:16:22.320 got to be this way and this is what it means and this is so you're gonna have to share yeah maybe

00:16:27.120 some of the lyrics why is the song so important what are your favorite lyrics and why does you

00:16:31.760 know what why this song it's um i find that the way that i dress sometimes and the way that people

00:16:43.200 just choose to present themselves for for whatever reason sometimes gets criticized or someone always

00:16:52.260 has something to say about it and societal norms have put into place these boxes and at the end of

00:17:01.100 the day every not every night but like I'm always thinking like what's the reason why why are those

00:17:07.000 boxes there and I could never come up with an actual answer that makes sense like it's there

00:17:11.620 but why and so that kind of it limits people and i just feel like if we stop limiting people then

00:17:19.200 people could just surprise you like anything is possible when you don't limit someone right so

00:17:27.200 my favorite lyric in invite the rainbow is gender is so passe binary is not the way

00:17:34.380 so binary being that we've always just had um the gender male and female and feminine yeah right

00:17:42.340 and that's always been there but like why it doesn't have to be there i just i just don't

00:17:47.260 think that there should be so so while we're talking about this let me give a bit of a bit

00:17:52.900 of a distinction here so differentiating between sex and gender so sex if you were born you know

00:18:01.040 what parts you were born with, and gender, the characteristics you exhibit. Now, societally

00:18:06.520 speaking, we've always assigned the two different sexes, even though biologically there are eight,

00:18:12.840 but nonetheless, the two different sexes we've always assigned, you know, men, masculine traits,

00:18:19.800 masculine ways of cutting your hair, of wearing jeans, of walking, of sitting at a table even,

00:18:25.660 for crying out loud of speaking of competing jobs that are associated with masculinity and then the

00:18:31.820 opposite are associated with femininity so on on the feminine side you know you have delicate you 0.52

00:18:38.940 have nurturing you have emotional you have cooperative dress styles will have like dresses

00:18:45.500 and skirts and you're dainty and you're all of those things you're more quiet you're you will

00:18:50.460 listen more whereas masculinity has always been associated with aggression and leadership and

00:18:57.900 you know um strength and power and athleticism and and those kind of traits as well as the physical

00:19:04.060 you know pants and t-shirts and hoodies and backwards hats and all the things that you're

00:19:09.900 wearing right now and so they've always been assigned and you're saying these assignments

00:19:16.700 that we've given to people just on the basis of how they were born yeah like what was the reason

00:19:24.140 like why what was the reason there's no just let in my opinion what was the reason people

00:19:31.100 be people that's a good just wait what do you think you can't skip the hard question

00:19:37.740 well i don't have an answer that's why i'm saying like why

00:19:40.140 okay but and and gender roles and gender identifiers change over cultures and over time

00:19:47.220 i think here's what i think my two cents you know how much i hate to give that guys my two

00:19:54.600 cents is this i think people like you don't like boxes i think people feel comfortable

00:20:00.440 they feel comfortable in a box sometimes until it really constrains them i think they feel

00:20:07.160 comfortable um getting accolades in that box i think they feel comfortable judging other people

00:20:15.160 like when somebody's walking towards you i think the stereotypes that exist in our head and the

00:20:19.640 biases but they're only there the stereotypes and the biases are only there because this

00:20:27.640 binary was created imagine a world where that binary was never created

00:20:33.080 there would be no stereotype there would be no biases my question is very simple and how

00:20:41.660 and it's not that I don't it's not that I don't like boxes if if you want to be in a box go ahead

00:20:47.800 and be in that box I'm not here to tell you not to be in a box I'm just saying that's important

00:20:52.900 you like not everybody wants to be in that box that's an important distinction and that's what

00:20:57.480 I struggle with a lot because I talk an awful lot about gender and I'm not a big fan of of

00:21:01.780 binaries i'm not a big fan of gender and assignment of anything but there's lots of people who are

00:21:06.700 like no those are the qualities a lot of people who are are transgendered are are like no that's

00:21:13.220 who i am both physically emotionally characteristically driven that's who i am and 0.55

00:21:19.440 we're not saying that's not who you can be we just don't like the assignment of such sure like you

00:21:24.920 get to pick whether you want to be in that box or or not i i i guess pick is the wrong word i guess

00:21:31.540 But listen, I think it's funny because I think a lot of this comes from just nature in general and specifically from a woman being able to have a baby.

00:21:44.060 Look, you can think of sociological reasons for the boxes, not how we cut our hair.

00:21:48.260 I'm going to put that way over here.

00:21:50.240 But let's think of it like this.

00:21:53.400 You mean traditionally, right? 1.00

00:21:55.640 Cis-born women have children. 1.00

00:21:57.520 So by having children and by physically giving birth, it makes sense.

00:22:04.520 It's not a stereotype.

00:22:06.260 It makes sense that they're the ones, if they can feed the children, that they stay home with the children.

00:22:14.060 It makes sense that if they can, they...

00:22:17.340 No, because...

00:22:18.420 Well, but back in the day, we're going way back, right?

00:22:20.540 The only people that can feed a baby, like there's no formula.

00:22:25.180 we're talking about the way that that kind of got created and i'm just saying i think

00:22:30.220 in the basis of it you're telling me that back in the day someone that gave birth to a baby

00:22:37.720 who is now feeding the baby this person can't go out and do something else but i am saying

00:22:45.020 that we would start attributing a more nurturing caretaking stereotype to that person because they

00:22:52.500 are doing it statistically speaking because i'm not saying it's right i'm just trying to tell you

00:22:56.900 where it comes from where it can come from a traditional place it can come from a like just

00:23:03.860 because it doesn't mean but just because you can do something doesn't mean that you're either gonna

00:23:08.580 do it right or that you're a hundred percent we're i'm not taught that's that's where i'm like just 0.93

00:23:14.660 because you can do stereotypes you're gonna do something yeah but all stereotypes are garbage

00:23:18.740 but we're wondering where they came from right and and the notion that the guy would go out

00:23:25.460 like and this isn't true in all indigenous societies by the way so we could talk about

00:23:29.300 that but the guy would go out the guy would do the hunting the guy would whatever and then come back

00:23:33.860 historically men have always gone to war up until you know but again relatively recently why that's

00:23:40.180 my point is that there is no well i think but it's all based in who bears the children who

00:23:46.740 protects the children and i and and i hate to say this but statistically men tend to be physically

00:23:56.980 bigger and stronger so maybe that and by the way i don't think physicality makes you better at war

00:24:04.660 or better at hunting any whatever but that's what i was going to say there's different attributes

00:24:08.660 that somebody else go far enough men and women look much more similar physically than they do

00:24:13.220 today and and not to mention that you can have like a scrawny little soldier just because I saw

00:24:20.860 Captain America before he got that shot see if you'd only watch pop culture movies could be much

00:24:27.240 better anyways totally get that so talking about gender today I mean and talking about how it's a

00:24:32.580 social construction and talking about how we put this on kids and we put it on babies instantaneously

00:24:38.200 we talk differently we clothe them differently and this is the thing that you're that you're

00:24:43.600 so passionate about and another they kind of go hand in hand but it's also part of the song is

00:24:49.680 being able to figure out who you really are because you could go through life and not have

00:24:56.720 had the option or not have had maybe maybe the option is the wrong word but not have had maybe

00:25:02.320 the environment to realize i like this more than i like this this feels more authentic to me this

00:25:09.760 feels more real but if you've never had this to try out try or whatever then like you're not you're

00:25:20.960 not complete in your journey so it's also about taking the time to figure out who you are and then

00:25:29.920 it might take you half a second and you and you know or it might take you years regardless take

00:25:35.840 the time take your journey do it and and that one comes from sip it lick it bite it where

00:25:43.680 you can take oh i i misread that later you can take sip it and you can go slow

00:25:51.200 yeah lick it go a little bit faster bite it dive into it but you are allowed to go at whatever

00:25:57.040 speed you want you just made something so meaningful i thought wasn't dirty no not dirty

00:26:04.000 at all um but that makes a lot of sense that makes a lot and what also makes sense and i know that

00:26:09.360 you're big on this as well and the song kind of taps into it is that it doesn't necessarily have

00:26:13.680 to be a linear journey no you don't necessarily have to go from a to b to c to d d is your final

00:26:19.120 destination you can go from a to c back to a you can go hang out at f do whatever the heck you want

00:26:25.280 to do as long as you're figuring out and being authentic to what feels good to you and authentic

00:26:31.440 to you and as long as change and and don't get me wrong it's like as long as you're not hurting

00:26:35.600 anybody right absolutely you're allowed to be you and you're allowed to figure out who you is

00:26:42.080 who you are who you is who you is you're allowed to figure out who you are is no who

00:26:50.960 in the comment section below, please correct Anna's grammar.

00:26:56.840 I'm not saying who you are.

00:26:58.680 I'm saying you're allowed to figure out who you...

00:27:01.740 You keep saying it.

00:27:02.840 ...is.

00:27:03.760 You as a person.

00:27:05.860 Are.

00:27:06.280 Is.

00:27:08.220 We just lost like 20 viewers on that tirade.

00:27:11.360 But don't worry, more of those are going to come in a second.

00:27:14.120 I think that's super important because, I mean, we're running into pride, right?

00:27:19.900 We're running into Pride, and this is your first time performing at Pride?

00:27:23.980 Yep.

00:27:24.420 This is all very exciting.

00:27:25.780 Are you ready for the painted bodies and the water guns and the beads and the...

00:27:31.360 Bring it all.

00:27:32.960 Yeah?

00:27:33.380 Mm-hmm.

00:27:33.800 Let's do it.

00:27:34.640 But what's also interesting is the community.

00:27:37.740 I mean, the community outside of the LGBTQ plus community is one thing,

00:27:42.560 but the community itself is another thing.

00:27:44.640 And I find even within the community, a lot of people don't speak to this

00:27:48.120 because heaven forbid, we're just honest about the way people function. Sometimes there's a lot

00:27:53.520 of restriction even from that community. So I will go to pride. I will feel nothing but love.

00:27:59.560 Having said that, we're talking about a lot of fluidity here, right? Like a lot of fluidity of

00:28:05.160 a lot of things. We could be talking about fluidity of gender, fluidity of presentation,

00:28:10.900 fluidity of sexuality, anything, right? Everything gets to be transitional. But there's a lot of

00:28:17.200 people within the community outside of the community who are like no just pick just pick a

00:28:21.640 and this is kind of i think where we're at in the gay rights and and you know queer rights movement

00:28:28.740 is that i think we got to a place where people are like okay you're gay gay guy gay girl okay

00:28:36.000 you're gay you like this we get that we get that but then oh then then you enter you know somebody

00:28:43.700 who's bisexual people sit back and go pick it pick a team no i mean but i i know you're saying 0.84

00:28:52.720 no i know you're saying that but a lot of people are doing that right a lot of people get very 0.64

00:28:57.680 agitated and i'm and i always try to pinpoint the agitation i i i get mad at hate don't get me wrong

00:29:04.640 but i i try to listen to the agitation or i try to listen to the frustration or the undercurrents

00:29:09.880 i think it's important to have these discussions because i think people feel so much more comfortable

00:29:17.720 in boxes or identify everybody identifying with boxes and knowing what's coming so when somebody

00:29:24.520 says listen i'm pan meaning i'm going to be attracted to the soul whether they're straight

00:29:30.520 whether they're gay whether they're trans what that none of that matters to me um and and i

00:29:37.320 think a lot of people have a huge problem with that because there's so much fluidity and the

00:29:41.400 box is just melted down to the ground because when we talk about gender i think this is the

00:29:49.480 foundational box if you will it's the first box we get put into do you know what i mean it's

00:29:55.800 like and it crosses race lines it crosses religious you know limited everything and i

00:30:00.920 think it's it's this foundational thing we kind of relied on for a level of structure even though

00:30:06.600 oh, by the way, I don't think it ever existed.

00:30:08.780 You know, the Hindus believe that gender is a delusion. 0.97

00:30:12.020 That's a religion that's over 5,000 years old. 1.00

00:30:14.600 They believed it was it.

00:30:15.820 So this concept's not new.

00:30:18.180 I just think that people rely so heavily on it

00:30:21.640 because it gives them a stability in an unstable world.

00:30:27.360 Can you understand?

00:30:28.260 Because I try to understand people I don't agree with.

00:30:30.440 But can you understand that?

00:30:32.700 Can you understand needing the box?

00:30:34.720 Even though I don't agree.

00:30:36.600 And part of me can understand, I like to know what's coming at me. I mean that in just like a, if I can prejudge you a little bit, then I know how to interact with you. Then I know what to expect from you. Then I don't get as surprised.

00:30:55.800 I understand what you're saying. But I think that, again, all that comes from the fact that these boxes were created in the first place. But I don't know if somebody sat down and went, you don't think someone sat down and went, no, blue is for boys and pink is for girls. I feel like someone sat down and said that for sure.

00:31:16.060 but that's why but that's progressive right what i'm saying is like i think a lot of it

00:31:20.380 was like sort of built on through cult different cultures different time periods right blue used

00:31:26.380 to be for girls by the way and pink was for boys so that switched at some point in our history

00:31:30.920 all i'm saying is that i do this was created in order to judge people i don't know if it so then

00:31:37.380 let's stop judging people listen i'm with you i'm just we're just trying to fix something okay so

00:31:42.980 we're going to fix it. We can't just say, cut it out. I feel like we have to understand where

00:31:47.160 emanates from. When I walk down the Barbie aisle, I don't know, you guys don't have Toys R Us down

00:31:53.560 in the States anymore. That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. We still have it in Canada. It's

00:31:56.660 the number one reason to move here outside of Trump, doesn't live here. I'm sorry, I won't be

00:32:00.880 political. But have you ever been walked down the Barbie aisle? The Barbie aisle can give me a

00:32:07.320 migraine it is so pink and so aggressively so and I walk down there and I think all of the

00:32:15.860 socialization that exists in this one aisle and boys are different right I mean socialize different 0.86

00:32:22.520 it's not to say boys can't have a barbie but when a boy picks up a barbie you see a tiktok about it

00:32:27.220 and it's like 50 million people watching goes that's amazing because it's so like out of the

00:32:32.460 norm and it's becoming more normal but i i think people and i like i said i think this is important

00:32:39.180 to talk about people are afraid of what they don't know okay but what you just said about the barbie

00:32:45.260 aisle being pink and and how it's like yeah geared and whatever but again that comes back to the fact

00:32:52.660 that somebody said that this that was just for whatever oh 100 but imagine if that had never

00:32:59.400 happened that aisle could still be pink listen i'm with you sister okay uh i think we're here

00:33:06.120 we can't go back your song is so so important and the message is so important we can't go backwards

00:33:13.160 we can't go back and undo fix it i need a delorean um do you know what a delorean is

00:33:19.240 what movie is that from i thought you were referencing a mandalorian a mandalorian

00:33:24.600 guys oh my god delorean's from back to the future okay it goes back in time got it

00:33:32.280 maybe a thanos ring i don't know not not not to snap people i'm sorry just go back

00:33:38.360 um but i oh we're here we are where we are all i'm trying to do is this i think there are people

00:33:47.160 that are 100 with us i'm 90 with us okay what we're saying right now great we don't need to 0.66

00:33:52.640 convince them they're already on the team see at pride um that's gay straight your family your dog

00:33:59.120 whoever do it up come on down june 25th um five o'clock church street south of gould um but

00:34:07.100 and there's people on the other side unfortunately the the marjorie taylor green

00:34:14.360 lauren bobert like the extreme right wing that doesn't represent all republican doesn't represent

00:34:23.580 all people but it's just so venomous and so angry and hates that things drag time story time is the

00:34:30.240 worst thing that the world's ever those people i don't i don't see us getting at those people but

00:34:34.820 here's what i also think i think there's a huge chunk of rational intelligent but maybe unaware

00:34:43.580 but maybe they haven't had access maybe nobody's having a healthy calm relatable conversation

00:34:53.460 and I think if we think those people are a good good majority I think of the population

00:35:01.460 so those people that are just unsure that that this is all so new that they just grew up in a

00:35:10.000 in a town where this wasn't even questioned and because it's brand new for our generation really

00:35:16.120 for your generation like she's slightly younger than I am for my we never I'm gonna tell you a 0.96

00:35:21.440 story I mean you there was no girls maybe were allowed to be tomboyish to a point and then it

00:35:28.020 was like not anymore you know but I think that middle group of people are afraid of what they

00:35:33.740 don't know and if we can figure out a way to calmly like intellectually have these conversations

00:35:42.020 they don't fall onto the other side of the fence the ron de santis don't say gay because

00:35:47.860 they rile that group of people up and create an evil or this horrible thing that exists where it

00:35:56.340 doesn't actually exist but but we people like you know you and this song need to to address us what

00:36:02.580 do we do what do we do yeah what how do we fix that we just accept people yeah i know but how

00:36:10.560 do we get at those people i mean a song like this how do you what do you think that step is right

00:36:15.980 like you grew up the way you grew up right you grew up in in your family and look at who you

00:36:21.200 are today and you've accepted and embraced and all of this stuff but you've known people that don't

00:36:27.280 right and i think that's the first place we start you know people that don't when i first came out

00:36:32.460 i know people that that didn't you know what i mean and in my opinion the quickest thing that

00:36:38.700 changes them the quickest by far is a person in their life that challenges that right yeah

00:36:48.620 so i think that putting like songs like this out there i think is incredibly important because as

00:36:54.460 soon as soon as somebody can hear that as soon as somebody can see that reflected they maybe can be

00:36:59.580 a little bit more of who they were and the more that they are a little bit more of who they are

00:37:04.780 the people around them have no hope have no chance or no no choice but to go oh well that's that's

00:37:12.540 amazing look at how happy that person is right i think that's incredibly important

00:37:19.740 would you like to see where what would you like to see with this song

00:37:22.300 besides opening for justin bieber um justin that's the hope start manifesting people

00:37:33.100 um i want i want this song to i guess open people's hearts in order to accept what a loved

00:37:43.240 one or even what themselves is trying to to tell you yeah about being proud of who you are

00:37:52.620 and being excited to if you're not sure to figure it out being just being open to hey

00:38:03.380 this could be a possibility that could be a possibility how do you I mean I grew up in a

00:38:09.900 time where um it sounds like i grew up in 1912 but the 90s i mean it's kind of like that right 0.89

00:38:20.160 like you gotta know like being gay in the 90s was not okay you hiv was still like the disease of gay

00:38:29.960 men that there was just that like it was horrible horrible um gay bashing was going on at that time

00:38:36.640 and there it just wasn't an option um but it could it could also be for for that really anybody

00:38:45.680 to figure out like it took a lot of years for me to realize who i really was and so let's say that

00:38:56.640 a young person listens to this song now they'll get a certain message out of it but what if like

00:39:02.080 an older person listens to this song right now and then it's like all these all of a sudden this

00:39:08.200 window where this door opens and and they're like hey like no this i was this for x amount of years

00:39:14.960 but but this is me i think um that i was just thinking about that lady from league of the

00:39:21.040 i was gonna mention that too mabel mabel oh that's all we we should go down there and meet her we

00:39:28.660 should i don't know how we do that but isn't that amazing it 95 i mean i think she knew who she was

00:39:33.940 before sure but the fact that she could just now think about being gay then yeah 1945 44 i don't

00:39:40.700 know but well that's when she's playing have you seen league of the wrong you showed it to me yes

00:39:46.220 and she loved it maybe i did um but i think that's really but it's really interesting because

00:39:51.900 like a lot of people like oh my god like i only came out when i was 25 they're like oh my god

00:39:56.720 really i'm like because i'm so gay right um it's the hair uh but but it wasn't even i try to

00:40:06.640 explain this to people but and i don't even know how it wasn't even a conscious option

00:40:12.800 i never i was never conflicted because it was never even an option and i don't know how else

00:40:21.440 to explain and i have a feeling that even though we're in 2022 there's still tons of kids and and

00:40:27.760 adults that are in positions and have grown up in such a way where it's they're not necessarily

00:40:36.640 you know resisting something or ignoring something it's just not you don't know an option you have

00:40:45.280 you just you don't even know it's a thing you know it's a thing because you and that's why

00:40:49.760 when people say oh it shouldn't be a movie you know absolutely it should and not just because

00:40:54.400 it shows somebody oh this is what it is to be gay but it shows somebody there's not just one way

00:41:00.720 that's it right everybody's losing their mind about buzz live you heard about the buzz light

00:41:04.080 ear thing that there was two women yeah oh i think i mean i heard i didn't i don't know

00:41:09.120 i think there's two anyways and everybody's losing their minds but it's like no but when

00:41:13.520 you show that you normalize it's no big deal it's not this big plot and it's and you gotta show

00:41:18.080 so you you have to show what's out there it's like the world you have to heaven forbid reflect

00:41:25.960 where we live it's like i guess you know now i didn't necessarily want to go political but

00:41:33.360 it's like when there's listen when there's little kids when there's like little kids in in in a

00:41:38.820 kindergarten class and and you know there's uh someone now i can't remember who said it but

00:41:44.480 someone was like if you're reading a book about Sally being like dropped off at school by her mom

00:41:52.340 and dad and and the whole book is like Sally loves going to school with her mom and dad because they

00:41:56.420 do this this and this on the drive to school or whatever well I don't know maybe Sarah has two

00:42:03.000 moms so where's the book of Sarah enjoys her walk home from school with her two moms because they do

00:42:09.560 this, this, and this. There we go. And how, I mean, it's just so innocuous. I mean, nobody's

00:42:15.040 talking about anything deeper than those are the realities that kids have. And there's a lot of

00:42:21.700 psychologists that agree that by the age of four or five, kids have established a significant gender

00:42:26.720 identity. Now, it's interesting because by that age, you would think that a lot of it is socialized.

00:42:32.380 Of course it is. And so sometimes that, you know, it goes in different directions and it can shift.

00:42:38.840 but the fact you could very easily have a little boy coming to school who doesn't necessarily

00:42:44.420 want to wear what stereotypically all the other little boys are wearing so he runs in in a dress

00:42:51.940 and then all of a sudden you get to acknowledge that because some of those other little boys

00:42:55.740 have been said oh you can't do that but there's this little boy's like wait a minute and it's

00:43:00.720 exactly what happens to me when i tell you all the time and sometimes you've seen it when little

00:43:05.240 girl especially i'd say six seven year old girls see me maybe i'm wearing my hat maybe i've just

00:43:12.840 got a fade and i'm wearing my baggy jeans or whatever and they'll walk by me and i'll see

00:43:18.200 them do this and i'll turn i'll smile for those of you who are listening she had a question face

00:43:25.480 oh i'm sorry for the listeners yeah just that slow look as i walk by and what they're always

00:43:32.120 trying to figure out is am i a boy or a girl and and the funny part is is nine times out of ten

00:43:36.280 they know they implicitly know but their question to their mom or dad is usually um if is that a

00:43:43.640 girl and when they say yes their question is well why can't i cut my hair like that

00:43:49.080 or i like those jeans or or or or right what what i've done just by walking in that place

00:43:55.640 no that kid doesn't care about who i date but by walking in that place they realize

00:44:00.360 oh i don't just have to wear a b and c i can i can wear whatever i want and still be

00:44:09.140 you know me and i think that's so so important i think that's important in music i think that's

00:44:15.340 important in life i think that's important to every place we go all right well as a final wrap

00:44:22.980 up didn't you see you were playing at pride i am my phone has been blowing up this whole time and

00:44:29.240 It's making me insane.

00:44:30.360 I'm going to lose my mind.

00:44:31.320 I swear to God, guys.

00:44:32.120 If that's my mom texting me 300 times, I'm going to.

00:44:34.300 Uh-oh.

00:44:35.300 Sorry.

00:44:36.000 Getting back to it.

00:44:36.900 Toronto Pride.

00:44:37.680 June 25th.

00:44:38.300 Toronto Pride.

00:44:38.820 June 25th.

00:44:39.920 5 o'clock.

00:44:40.720 5 p.m.

00:44:42.180 Proud FM party stage.

00:44:43.820 Proud FM party stage on Church Street, south of Gould, north of Dundas.

00:44:49.580 And I'm going to put all that information in the little bio underneath here so you know.

00:44:54.180 go check out anna pack on anna underscore pack official no instagram instagram is anna pack

00:45:03.500 official tiktok is anna underscore pack and if you want to go see the tiktoks you can see her

00:45:09.660 trying to teach me how to dance which is a-okay um any other words of wisdom you can stream bite

00:45:16.240 the rainbow on any streaming platform fantastic guys thank you so much for hanging out with us

00:45:20.940 and next podcast i'm going to make her get a little more political and i'm also going to make

00:45:24.300 sure she's actually seeing back to the future i've seen it have you though thanks for having

00:45:30.060 me babe have a great day guys we'll see you next tuesday same bat time same best she got it right

00:45:37.180 bye guys dismissed

Unlearn16: Class is in Session - June 21, 2022

The One Where Ana Pac and I ＂Bite The Rainbow＂

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