00:02:20.480And now I didn't really know. It wasn't horrible. I just felt gross all the time. I didn't want to eat. I was kind of ornery. And my mom thought I was just being a typical teenager and I was complaining. Meanwhile, I felt horrible. And then by the time we got to the mountains in Alberta, and you know what that feeling's like when you're going up a mountain, it's like your car revs really high because it has to get up and then you're turning around a corner.
00:02:44.360you can't quite see around the corner you can just see the edge of the world um yeah so it we
00:02:50.080fought all the way there arlene well yeah i mean road trips are great when they're when they're
00:02:55.780great but the the driving through the rockies is is still i think not i think it is literally my
00:03:03.040favorite thing to do in this country like it is it's so spectacular to the the majesty of the
00:03:09.400valleys and the rivers and the mountains and you it's just really quite something to to see i mean
00:03:16.640i love the prairies i love you know the the obviously the oceans and the coast but there's
00:03:21.820something about driving through the rockies that's uh maybe it's because i've done it since i was a
00:03:26.060little kid and you know we used to go to bat time so maybe that's it it's nostalgic more than
00:03:31.240anything but i do love it it is a little scary some of those scary yeah scary yeah are you a
00:03:37.360big outdoors person like do you like to camp do you like to like do those things um I'm not so
00:03:43.220much of a camper I know we camped when I was younger because we you know couldn't afford
00:03:46.580hotels and so I think um you know camping we had a tent trailer when I was a little kid and that
00:03:53.020was something else with the you know the five of us in a little tiny tent trailer um and then you
00:03:58.220know tents when my kids were young because again that's you know what their dad liked to do was
00:04:02.740tent um i i'm more of a four seasons camping girl i gotta admit i'm i'm very i am a little bit when
00:04:12.100i travel i really do like uh you know and i mean i've worked hard to to be able to do that but
00:04:19.800i don't really love camping i don't really love love it no listen i don't want to make my own
00:04:27.240food on vacation i sure as heck don't want to find a piece of the woods to go to the bathroom in
00:04:33.800yeah no or an outhouse or whatever yeah but some people i mean my kids like it you know like not
00:04:39.560all of them but most of them like it and and uh you know like listen it's it's uh you either like
00:04:44.600it or you don't and i for me no it's not my job people are like yeah but you leave like your phone
00:04:51.480and your computer whatever every once in a while arlene i leave it in the car that seems like
00:04:56.120enough of a distance I feel like I have been like way too tethered to my phone
00:05:05.240and and just trying to keep up with everything and I think we're all
00:05:09.180feeling that there's just this overwhelming it's not that you're afraid
00:05:13.100that you're missing out it's not FOMO it's no it's it's fear of not knowing
00:05:19.040what's happening so you can take action and so that you understand what the
00:05:23.280implications are and so there's this what has he done now what's going on today like what do i need
00:05:28.660to understand and so you do spend i i spend and i'm you know i'm posting quite a bit about what's
00:05:33.880happening in the world and so i'm trying to keep up with it and you know one day you think you
00:05:38.340understand it the next day it's something completely different it's it's so you are i'm
00:05:42.700finding that's harming me in terms of my my um my attention span what were we talking about again
00:05:50.960Oh, sorry. Can I click? Can I swipe? Can I just keep going through this till the next,
00:06:01.080like anything longer than 15 seconds? You kind of go, I can't keep up with it. It's crazy.
00:06:05.920Crazy. I mean, let's jump into the, I want to have a bit of fun today. I want to talk about
00:06:10.160a little bit of politics, a little bit of fun. I just want to, you know, it's a Sunday night.
00:06:14.780We can just have a bit of a good time. And I want to talk a little bit about what's going on with
00:06:18.440China right now. I want to talk about it. I'm trying not to hard to laugh because I wish this
00:06:23.180weren't had, let me preface this all by saying, I wish that Trump, it wasn't who he is. I wish he
00:06:29.520didn't set up all these sort of, you know, trade fights and trade wars in order for him to prove
00:06:36.860whatever waning masculinity he doesn't have. I wish that it wasn't hurting all of these millions
00:06:42.940of people, obviously in Canada, all the way around the world. They come up, they come down,
00:06:48.200there whatever but the boy has really stepped into it with china right yeah so yeah yeah china
00:06:56.860is not gonna back down china basically said okay we matched your tariffs once and now we're just
00:07:03.380not going to play your game anymore and we are just quite fine i mean yes you represent 15 percent
00:07:09.340of you know kind of our trade but we don't care i i i can't uh was i don't know if it was their
00:07:15.940prime minister or who said it but yeah well is your minister of finance i yeah i remember that
00:07:21.860he said you know we've been here for 5 000 years some of that time the u.s was around
00:07:28.180we're going to be here for 5 000 more because that is how you know i think asian um nations
00:07:34.260in general tend to think a hundred years two hundred years out they don't think about tomorrow
00:07:39.140they don't think about right now they think about the long-term you know play and so they're not
00:07:45.140they're unafraid of it. And listen, I never thought I'd say this because we have challenges
00:07:51.860with the human rights, what goes on in China and other countries. But having said that, I do respect
00:07:59.940what they're doing here. I think they're doing the right thing for the world, frankly, by standing up
00:08:04.420to them. Yeah. And I think the world is thankful. I think there's a couple of things here. And number
00:08:10.260one, we condemn human rights in China, which 100% we should. Meanwhile, a father and a landed1.00
00:08:18.300immigrant and somebody with every right to be in the United States has just been sent to an El1.00
00:08:23.240Salvadorian prison and nobody can get them back or nobody wants to get them back.0.99
00:08:27.620And they're getting those and they're putting them in. Sorry to interrupt you. Yeah, I guess
00:08:31.900we both get excited about it. But yeah, and they're putting people in basically concentration
00:08:37.580type camps, you know, where they're, you know, putting kids and families into holding areas where,
00:08:42.660you know, they are kind of being then deported. And, you know, that scene of, I don't even want
00:08:49.060to say her name, where she stood in front of all of the, in El Salvador, where she stood in front
00:08:54.540of the prison. Like, what is that? That is just like, impossibly ridiculous. So you're right.
00:09:01.860You know, human rights is something we have to fight for everywhere. And we can't just
00:09:06.020excuse what happens in the US or Canada or any nation, you know, if it's wrong.
00:09:12.680Yeah, absolutely. So what I'm thinking about, when you said China's been around for 5,000 years,
00:09:18.640they'll be around for a long time. The interesting part of the Chinese government, and I always
00:09:25.900hesitate to say communist, because they keep calling themselves communist, but they're in the
00:09:31.360WTO, and they're very strong capitalists. So I kind of feel as though their moniker might not
00:09:40.280be the perfect label. But the interesting part about that type of government, however you want
00:09:46.460to frame it, because it sure as heck not communist anymore. It might not be US forum capitalism,
00:09:53.600but it's something else. But what's interesting is that they plan for the next 50 years,
00:09:59.520because they're not worried about an election in two years, right? They're not worried about
00:10:06.920necessarily an overturning. They understand that there's a plan for China and there's a plan for
00:10:12.660the country to progress. And I'm a little envious, even though I obviously want as much democracy in
00:10:19.600every country as we possibly can have, but I'm a little envious because that's the only way
00:10:24.460problems for example like environmental issues get solved right you have to plan for the next
00:10:30.62050 years you have to have a level of consistency i mean you know that's that's a really interesting
00:10:38.700thing to delve into because you know we tend to like i you hear in in our politics people are
00:10:45.180saying you know like it was like the last decade the last 20 years the last 30 years a lot you know
00:10:50.300we we have done these things wrong and we tend to only think in the immediate and we think that
00:10:55.420things can be fixed immediately and they can't these are big problems we're trying to sell
00:10:59.260and we've been trying to solve them forever whether it's trade you know like exchange you
00:11:04.700know getting growing our trade relationships whether it's um our energy and how we're going
00:11:09.100to secure our energy whether it's our health care systems or education systems um you know
00:11:14.780productivity issues these are these are platform issues that have been around forever they they are
00:11:19.740not going to change and the reason they've been around forever is that's actually what matters to
00:11:23.340the country and and your point on you know um you know whether it's china or other asian east asian
00:11:30.300and other asian countries um they do think about the complexity and the time these things take and
00:11:38.140they are prepared as a people to do what's necessary now what i don't like about no election
00:11:44.780and and the fact that you know is that you can't say that they're going to do the right thing you
00:11:48.780You don't have any say, you know, if they don't do the right thing, oh, well, too bad.
00:11:54.200So and I think I worry a little bit about that being what's going to happen in the U.S., frankly, that there won't be another.
00:12:00.700You know, like now, whether that will create a civil war, whether, you know, people will rebel if there is and isn't another election.
00:12:07.300I mean, he's he's currently dismantling the legal ability to fight him legally, the ability to, you know, change, you know, how everything.
00:12:16.700He's changing every aspect of anybody who could argue with him in terms of changing the election cycle.
00:12:27.700Recently, I've been reading about a lot of threats that are being made to law firms.
00:12:33.720You and I were speaking about this, and then I read a whole bunch about it, about individual and powerful law firms, how they are literally getting coerced and threatened.
00:12:43.700And then you start to, again, I'm not advocating for less democracy. I am simply stating when guys like Trump and this administration are pointing to China and saying there's no freedom, there's no democracy, and meanwhile, their sole job is just chipping away, I find it to be an awful lot of projection.
00:13:14.120Yeah, it does feel like what's bubbling up now with the scope of the tariffs that he's
00:13:21.280put on China is that he is creating a global tension with China that is going to be interesting.
00:13:31.920Nations like Europe and Canada and other nations are going to have to, countries and nations, sorry, are going to have to figure out how they are going to do trade if the U.S. continues to be an unreliable partner.
00:13:51.620And that means who are we going to be partners with and who can we trust?
00:13:56.320and you know you're you're just seeing i just think you're just seeing0.90
00:14:00.780i think china's being very smart calling jd vance calling them peasants i'm sorry
00:14:07.840and they they did come from peasants and canada's you know we like we've all come
00:14:16.020like we're either pioneers or you know like honestly it's just it's it's it's crazily
00:14:22.980disrespectful and what i ever set foot out of the united states except for his trip to greenland
00:14:29.220that was unwelcome i don't know speaking about him they went they both went to yale and he he
00:14:35.780was really really pointed and he said listen i just think it's time for jd to go back to school
00:14:43.700because he didn't do it well enough the first time around like he he just needs a little bit of an
00:14:48.420education. And I thought that, you know, was probably, you know, it's like one of my lines.
00:14:54.320I'm like, that was well played. And meanwhile, this, it's the foundation of the party. I don't
00:15:02.920want to say party, but the foundation of this movement that is driven by racism and driven by
00:15:09.140bigotry and driven by a level of American exceptionalism and superiority, whether that's
00:15:16.100simply just white or whether that's American. And to bolster that, you need to constantly talk down0.79
00:15:23.160to everybody else. But China, right in this moment, and I have no doubt, is going to slap0.98
00:15:31.440them so hard, I think the foundations of their capitalistic prowess are going to be shaken.0.79
00:15:39.160Maybe. I mean, the US is an imperial nation. They don't maybe go and say that, but I think they are.
00:15:45.540absolutely and and so you know like and and the world economy has been tied so much to the their
00:15:53.660dollar that act that you know there's some common sense in what they're doing to try and you know
00:15:59.640unlock themselves from the pressure of that and from the cost of that and i do understand
00:16:05.360can you explain that to everybody that's when you say there there's a pressure lock to that
00:16:11.800Well, like when you think about the American dollar being a certain cost, I mean, it's tied.
00:16:19.080I don't I'm not an economist, so I don't know if I can do it justice to talk about kind of all of the complexities of it.
00:16:25.600But, you know, the interest rate that is paid on the Treasury bills, the the the way that everybody borrows from each other and the way that they support the economy, support each other's debt in a in a very complex manner, bonds, etc.
00:16:41.000This is all tied to right now and globally, the U.S. dollar is what kind of is the metric that a lot of the world economy tends to trade or not all the world economy, but a lot of the world economy.
00:17:00.920It's kind of like it's kind of like if that goes down, there's benefit and there's good and bad to that going down, the cost of the dollar going down.
00:17:09.960But I do think that's what he's trying to do. I think he's trying to devalue the dollar that will that will make a big difference for what he's able to do and the cost of how he's able to do it.
00:17:22.000But it has huge implications globally. And it's not as simple as it sounds. Nothing is as simple as Trump makes it sound.
00:17:30.140He makes it sound like it's just, oh, you're paying even the goods and services like he's tariffing goods, but he's not tariffing services.
00:17:37.660and the u.s has a you know they they they trade a lot they they have a lot of surplus in services
00:17:45.120so they give a lot of other countries buy services from the u.s oh if those countries say we're
00:17:52.740putting tariffs on your services that will deeply impact the american economy so um right now it's
00:17:59.660on goods everything's focused on goods but if it if it shifts to um services as well i think that's
00:18:06.740going to be a whole other agenda. And when you think about services, you think about technology
00:18:11.480services, or, you know, anything to do with the new financial systems that are electronic and
00:18:19.440service driven. If you think about any, you know, buying media from a media company that's selling
00:18:27.180it to somebody else in the globe, so you can advertise in the US on their station, or, you
00:18:32.240whatever global media companies you're seeing that these things are so again connected and and i and
00:18:38.820i'm as i said i'm not an economist i'm probably doing a really shitty job of explaining what i
00:18:43.240think is happening um because i don't really understand it fully myself um i only understand
00:18:49.460the basic premises of it i think you have to be an economist to really understand
00:18:54.820the complexity and to really understand what happens if you pull on this lever what happens
00:19:00.900on the other side of the equation. Well, I think, I mean, I have read a lot about
00:19:07.860devaluation of currency. If the currency is worth less, they owe less, those kinds of things. And I
00:19:14.380think that all makes sense. I find it hysterical that we, or not we, not you and I, not a lot of
00:19:22.920people, the majority of people, but the people supporting this are willing to put such blinders
00:19:28.900on to any, like the idea that the right is going to ignore economists, I find fascinating. I find
00:19:37.020absolutely fascinating and, and still go down this rabbit hole of, you know, trying to measure
00:19:46.600prowess country for country, because all this man really wants is every country to pick up the phone
00:19:52.340and make that phone call. We're never going to hear, by the way, I don't think we will ever hear
00:19:57.220in a legitimate way or a significant way, you know, well, Canada used to put 200% on our dairy,
00:20:04.800but now they don't put anything. Like, we're never going to hear that. We're going to hear
00:20:08.840Canada gave us a much better deal. We're friends again. Everything's good. I won. Yay. I'm the man.
00:20:14.920Let's move on. And then you're going to have to dig for it. And when you dig for it, that's going
00:20:19.620to get buried in the idea that nothing happened. Probably. For your listeners, and I know you have
00:20:27.960a lot of American listeners, so I would say two things. Forget what I've said about what's
00:20:35.100happening in terms of, you know, the devaluation of the dollar and what's happening with the
00:20:39.640connectivity between all of the countries. Listen to like podcasts like Ezra Klein's podcast.
00:20:45.300Yeah. Ezra Klein's podcast does a very good job of explaining the fundamentals through really smart economists of what could happen and what might be happening and why they think it's happening.
00:20:58.340And, and, and I, and I would also say to your American listeners, the American people that I know are very proud to be American. They've, they've always, they, they, they, they, I think they've always felt the weight of being, you know, important on the global stage.
00:21:19.120They've always felt elevated because they've worked hard and they've driven things to great conclusions.
00:21:28.180And they've built an amazing nation as a result of that, a very highly productive, interesting nation.
00:21:39.500And so that glory of the best country in the world, that's changed now.
00:21:48.420and I can't imagine that Americans aren't feeling the weight of that that they're not feeling like
00:21:53.520wait a minute like I was at the podium I felt like I was first and I felt like the people around me
00:22:00.280you know I was part of a team that was we were all doing great and we you know we did our thing
00:22:04.960in the world stage and yeah maybe we spent too much money helping over here but you know like
00:22:09.040that's fine because we are doing okay and now that they're starting to struggle because of debt and
00:22:13.900because of other challenges, they're no longer on that podium. They're not even in the same game.
00:22:20.680They're really being isolated. And I think that's got to hurt. I feel for the American people.
00:22:27.760I don't think for the most part they want this. I completely agree. The amount of messages I get
00:22:34.740that are people saying, I'm so sorry. We don't feel this way. We don't believe this. And putting
00:22:41.720that aside, I read something and I was on a live the other night because I genuinely felt horrible.
00:22:47.240This is what it is to be a Canadian. I read a CTV, whatever. And it said that a lot of Americans,
00:22:53.800and I had to read it twice because I didn't understand what I was reading. A lot of Americans
00:22:57.700are trepidatious about visiting and vacationing in Canada for fear of how we are going to treat
00:23:05.400them. I did a whole live where I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We are going to be the exact same
00:23:13.080people, the welcoming people. This isn't a Canadian versus American thing. This is an
00:23:20.580idiot ideology that has unfortunately taken a hold of a group of people. I don't even think1.00
00:23:25.360that whole group of people even stands with him even close to that anymore. In no way,
00:23:30.860shape or form should you feel nervous? I feel nervous crossing their border. I don't want them
00:23:35.800feeling nervous crossing ours. Well, you've got, they've now put a 30 day, you know, restriction
00:23:41.220if you don't fill out a visa to say you're going to be there. And I think, you know, there was a
00:23:46.240power outage in Wisconsin just recently. And, you know, if they want to know whether Canadians will
00:23:51.740rise to continue to help, we sent water bombers to the wildfires in California when their electricity
00:23:59.360was down in Wisconsin we sent people to help repair the lines and to fix it Canadians are
00:24:04.860always this is our superpower we're always going to do I believe the right thing but that doesn't
00:24:10.160mean we're not angry that doesn't mean that we're not you know that we're going to trust
00:24:13.960we're going to trust the negotiations that doesn't mean that we're going to spend money in America
00:24:17.820the way we were we're obviously not going to but that doesn't mean that we're not good
00:24:22.320and decent people and we aren't going to do the right thing and I think
00:24:25.720that matters right now yeah i think canada's got an opportunity because of that to lead a movement
00:24:34.700for good and i posted about this joanna the other day and i i really think this um i put it on my
00:24:41.500linkedin that you know it i use the margaret mead quote which was never doubt that a small group of
00:24:47.100concerned citizens can change the world indeed it is the only thing that ever has it i might be
00:24:52.200abridging it. And I thought, okay, we've got a small group of people who are trying to change
00:24:58.980the world right now for the bad. Where's the movement for the good? And can Canada lead that
00:25:05.200effort? Can Canada be the nation that rises up through its decency, through its approach, through
00:25:10.800its value system to lead a movement for good? Because that's what's missing right now. People
00:25:19.240don't have a movement for good when we need one. You know, it's interesting because I just heard
00:25:24.700that Trump turned down North Carolina's request for FEMA. So he said it's not necessary. See,
00:25:33.180for me, if I was running the Canadian government, I'd offer. I'd go on TV the next day.
00:25:41.500I understand it's probably going to be turned down, but in any way, shape, or form that we can
00:25:47.380reach out and help people that need it in the United States, especially to the negation of
00:25:53.640this particular group of people. I know that Gavin Newsom's talking about how he's going to
00:25:57.900facilitate trade deals that have nothing to do with trade barriers. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
00:26:03.020we're not these people. And just so you know, we're the fifth biggest economy in the world.
00:26:08.200California is the fifth biggest economy. We have no desire. We have no desire to do this. And I
00:26:14.800know there's all of these different barriers that are locking it up, but I think that reaching out
00:26:20.560and saying, California need our help during the wire fires? We'll be there. North Carolina, you
00:26:25.540need our help? Cool. Send people down there. Let Trump stand up and say, we don't want it. We won't
00:26:31.540take it. Go ahead. Say that, sir. Because the quickest way to get him off his self-created
00:26:37.580throne is by showing him for the small little tiny man he is. That's how we do it. I don't know how
00:26:44.300canadians will take that you know like it's it's it's a lovely thought um but i think you know we're
00:26:49.840telling we're telling canadians to buy at home we're telling canadians to travel at home we're
00:26:53.660saying and and it doesn't mean we shouldn't help but i do think that we've got to be careful that
00:26:58.240our dollars that need to be right now building our country and our nation are are staying here
00:27:04.740you know what happened in the u.s is you saw people vote for change they they they got they
00:27:10.200well, you know, like, okay, I don't know, under Biden, they seem to be dissatisfied. So they
00:27:16.680said, okay, let's change. And they didn't understand the impact of that decision.
00:27:22.360Change for change sake is never a good idea. And, you know, you're better holding your
00:27:28.040politicians accountable, I think. But it's going to be interesting. It'll be interesting to see
00:27:32.760what happens in Canada. It will be very interesting to see what happens here.
00:27:36.840So as China steps out, very recently, I've seen a lot of TikToks about China and then Chinese manufacturers exposing all of these very expensive elite brands.
00:27:49.660I'm like, well, this is how I'm going to get my mom, you know, a Birkin.
00:27:52.700This is exactly how I'm going to go about it.0.93
00:27:58.380And they started, they just started putting it all on blast.
00:28:01.340They said, listen, here's how they, here's how, and they do it so intelligently because they don't, they don't come off as heavy handed as I am. They're just like, here's what we make guys. And just so you know, this is what we make, see all of the different kinds and you can see what they are. And I, and I realize you think that they're all made in Italy or France, but really they put on the tag there so they can say it was made there or manufactured, whatever. He goes, but this is where we're doing it.
00:28:26.900So if you'd like to reach out, there's different ways to reach out so you can have a more direct line.
00:28:32.240So we can, and I'm watching this going, oh, oh, you're just going to blow up the, and it is very, a diluted sense of, you know, expensive brands in some instances.
00:28:47.280And I think they're just going to blow up the entire market and see how that goes.
00:28:53.120I mean, maybe. I think what you're seeing is, first of all, there's the power of a brand is huge. And, you know, a brand like a Birkin Hermes, Hermes is very purposeful in terms of how many bags it puts out, the quality of what it puts in.
00:29:09.600i i saw that tick tock and i think they said okay it costs fourteen hundred dollars it's going to
00:29:13.800cost you thirty thousand at the store yes but there's there's there's the when they put that
00:29:19.000brand on they are actually stamping that it is all of the right leathers and the zippers and
00:29:24.060everything else on there is their quality and and i think the letter comes from italy um but
00:29:30.120beyond that it's their retail locations it's their there's so much more that adds cost to that um
00:29:37.220Right. But I think their real point, and not to say that that that justifies the price difference, more to say, I think their their point is you you need us, world.
00:29:52.180We are we without us, without our, you know, our effective labor costs, automation, the things that we're doing.
00:29:59.060I mean, China and the cities in China are they're incredibly sophisticated.
00:30:04.480they know exactly what they're doing when it comes to manufacture and to think that american
00:30:09.160can become that manufacturer again as it was in the 50s and 60s it's not going to happen it is
00:30:14.920not going to happen it's literally impossible for it to happen and so you need you know especially
00:30:20.620when you need resources from other countries in order for it to be effective you saw it with him
00:30:25.220I'm taking down the, the phone tariffs. Why? Because he can't make them.
00:30:32.400Yeah. The list of things he took the tariffs off in about 37 seconds was everything pretty much.
00:30:40.960He left off like kids toys are still going to get tariffed and maybe some clothes, but
00:30:45.760everything else it's off. It's already, it's already, and nobody's really talking about it.
00:30:51.140nobody's really, you know, acknowledging how embarrassing that is and what a play that was.
00:30:58.000He thrives on uncertainty. He loves to create uncertainty because that puts everybody
00:31:02.540on alert and that changes how the markets react. And that is part of his game. The fear and
00:31:08.820uncertainty is part of what he uses. And, you know, this is a guy who's, you know, he's gone
00:31:13.860bankrupt a number of times. He's unafraid to try things and see what happens and then carry on.
00:31:21.140But it is fascinating to me that one man can do this.
00:31:27.380Could you imagine if a woman, if we'd had a woman in government saying, and the chief of staff said, or somebody that, you know, high in their government said, well, she just trusts her instincts.
00:31:42.440Because that's what they said about Trump.
00:31:43.700He just trusts his, we trust his instincts.
00:34:32.420um and they've spoken about i've read articles about it they would like to shift all of the
00:34:37.500management of such to the x platform my mom can't go on facetime arlene she holds the phone like this
00:34:48.420you think yeah how are we going to teach how well i'm not even talking about the ethical and the
00:35:01.680legal implications, but who are we going to teach to use a social media platform, their computer
00:35:10.320or their phone in order to get access to the money they need to survive? Yeah, no, it's sad.
00:35:18.900And well, I understand the automation that's going to change the world. I understand that
00:35:25.420we're moving to a different type of economy um that things are changing it is this isn't rip
00:35:32.980the band-aid off to make things happen immediately like and i and i think again we've got to be
00:35:38.800careful in canada that we don't fall prey to the same thing which says immediately that a business
00:35:45.520mentality takes over our country and operates it like a business because government's not a
00:35:50.780business. So it's people need to be protected. That's government's job. And I don't think he's
00:35:56.520doing a good job of protecting the American people. No, I don't think that's his driving
00:36:01.760force. I think it's also interesting, all this automation, all of this invention or sort of
00:36:07.780inclusion of AI. Unfortunately, I can't, as AI gets up, like as it rises in how much you can use
00:36:16.360it as as technology rises in how you do everything i can't trust anything do you know how many cool
00:36:24.200people and opportunities and i bet you i've missed lots i've almost missed because i don't believe it
00:36:30.680when somebody emails me or somebody calls me or contacts me from a particular place i'm like i
00:36:38.720don't believe you i i don't believe i remember tiktok contacting me wanting me to go to head
00:36:44.580office. And I, I remember I said to Anna, I said, I don't, I don't know what this is, but I'm pretty
00:36:49.940sure it's not TikTok. I'm just going to go down there and something stupid is going to happen or0.68
00:36:54.160whatever, because that's the level of a, that's how quickly AI, my mom gets text messages every0.95
00:37:00.720five seconds telling her that her Netflix subscription is timed out. And she'll call me,
00:37:06.280Joanna, did you pay Netflix? I'm like, you're not on Netflix. That is a, that's a fraud. Like that's
00:37:12.480fraud so there's as all this is happening there's there's a there's a group of um there's not a
00:37:20.480group there's numerous groups who will reach out to you and say hey um oprah wants to have you on
00:37:27.540her podcast and you know like uh like i'm her producer we want to set up a meeting with you
00:37:34.140and it looks legit it comes from an oprah looking like email address but if you go on the email
00:37:41.480sorry if you have a meeting with whoever this producer supposedly is what they're going to do
00:37:46.180is get you to you know like let's log into your Facebook let's make sure we're all set up so that
00:37:50.900we can do this you know this podcast together right and they get your credentials and so you
00:37:56.280know that um you know hey mom I've lost my phone can you send me a new phone um hey it's the bank
00:38:02.260calling I need you to you know um you send me your pin number because we can't get access to
00:38:07.880your account right now and there's fraudulent activity and if you're a senior and and and
00:38:12.720listen i am a senior i'm over 65 like and i think you know i'm i'm think i'm savvy but there are
00:38:19.720times where it's so darn good that you go is this real like i don't think that about revenue
00:38:26.620candida calls or you know like the the calls i just mentioned but there's stuff that is really
00:38:32.640really they're getting real good you know what i'm almost at a i swear to god i'm almost at a
00:38:37.780point where I'm going to buy a computer that I don't do anything else on other than have maybe
00:38:46.560meetings and have those kind of, you know, have a Zoom meeting or have a whatever meeting and have
00:38:52.780a completely separate email that has nothing to do with anything else in my life, that I don't do
00:38:58.860anything else on that computer. So that if and when somebody tries to break into something,
00:39:04.340they got no place to go. I'm almost at a point where I want to revert. If I get a call from my
00:39:11.040bank, I swear to God, I just go into the bank. I swear. Because even if you pick up the phone now
00:39:18.620and there's a pause there and you say, hello, hello, hello, they're actually recording your
00:39:23.020voice and using your voice to create looped tapes. So you've got to be on the alert. And you
00:39:30.240also have to look for news stories that if your gut says this can't be real trust you've got man
00:39:36.960like trust yourself because it likely isn't um but it's it's it's it and you know what the problem
00:39:43.800is is that ai everybody wanted to race race race to be the first to create the best ai tools and
00:39:49.620there's no guardrails around it there's no restrictions around it there's no you know
00:39:53.540it's like social media there's there's absolutely no regulation around it um it's not good
00:39:59.100Yeah. And I think that, I mean, not only are there no restrictions, but it's, I mean, all I can think about is Skynet. The problem is people running the show didn't watch Terminator. And they don't understand. It learns. And they've already said there's elements of AI. It is learning. It is getting better. I'm like, well, that's it. We're done. We've lost. It's just going to learn to get better, get better, get better.
00:40:28.440Have you ever seen Battlestar Galactica? Yeah. Yeah. Did you see the old one or the new one?
00:40:34.580Oh, I don't remember. I know I've seen it, but I don't remember which version.
00:40:38.080You have to watch the, I don't, I never watched the old one, but you have to watch the new one
00:40:42.400because it's something, it's so brilliant in its philosophy outside of its, whether you like the
00:40:47.840sci-fi part or not. But the philosophical premise is you create machines to do the stuff you don't
00:40:53.640want to do, right? The machines get somewhat sentient and say, we don't want to do this
00:40:58.320anymore. And we say, well, no, that's why we built you very much of a slavery dynamic.
00:41:03.920There's a huge war. We win. They go away for, I don't know, like 20 years. They come back0.75
00:41:11.540way smarter and they just destroy us. Absolutely destroy us because they see us as the oppressors
00:41:21.680and they see themselves as being sentient capable individuals now the the philosophy of it has a lot
00:41:29.360of spiritual aspects to it but this notion that we're constantly trying to create and nobody's
00:41:36.240ever questioning it we're constantly trying to create ways to do things easier ways to take
00:41:43.200jobs away from people who actually gives them purpose to do what make it cheaper make it cheaper
00:41:51.200so we can consume more consume more to what end yeah yeah what what's the goal here what about
00:41:59.120quality of life what about you know you're exactly right i thought we were going to talk about fun
00:42:04.400things i'm sorry but i mean i slid into battle star galactica i'm saying all this as i'm sitting
00:42:11.280in a room like i probably just didn't say like yeah let's uh okay okay so let's what sorry go
00:42:20.880go ahead. Yep. Oh, you go. I was going to ask your favorite TV show. Oh, my favorite TV show.
00:42:27.060I can make a hard shift. I, I've been watching two shows lately. Um, um, Gavin and Stacey,
00:42:35.740which is an old British sitcom. Gavin and Stacey. Okay. Yeah. It has, um, James Corden in it and a
00:42:44.720few others early days it was i think done in 2007 or something so imagine 18 years ago james and uh
00:42:52.840it's actually i like british humor a lot i really enjoy and so i've kind of like been watching that
00:42:59.640and then i my daughter uh told me to start watching um love on the spectrum and i have
00:43:05.580my feelings about it because i i i love the i love the beauty of the stories and the and the
00:43:13.580honest raw like um yeah like the honesty of it i i love that but then i i'm so suspicious of tv
00:43:22.200and you know are they are they taking advantage here are they doing anything so i said to her i
00:43:26.660said i feel kind of but but so i'm kind of i'm not so sure about that um what else have i been
00:43:33.340watching um surface i've been watching which is interesting uh what about your favorite tv show
00:43:39.440of all time i said you have to you're gonna re-watch something that you've watched what is
00:43:46.540it like what's your go-to is it a comedy i i i really liked golden girls um i especially like
00:43:55.300it now because you you realize they're in their 40s and 50s they were and um and and honestly
00:44:04.040betty white and all of them they were just so good and they made me laugh um i i yeah i liked
00:44:11.420i liked golden girls i also liked mash i thought mash was just a lovely wonderful
00:44:15.820the cast was fantastic yeah exactly back to work um but yeah there's a i don't know i'd have to
00:44:24.400think about that a little more. You brought us back to Korea. Okay. Favorite movie of all time.
00:44:31.720Oh, that's a tough one. You're going to tell me, listen, I'm going to let you do this. Tell me
00:44:35.840your, you know, your, the movie that everybody says is my favorite movie. Then tell me your
00:44:40.280real favorite movie, because I have this theory that everybody's favorite movie is something like
00:44:44.860Shawshank Redemption because they want to feel smart. But everybody's real favorite movie is
00:44:49.520like you know all the right moves with tom cruise you know what i'm saying like
00:44:53.900well first of all i've got a horrific memory i always have around kind of titles of things but
00:45:01.320i i think i i really liked decept was it deception with um um leonardo dicaprio or oh um
00:45:10.700not deception um starts with i inception inception yeah one that's all messed up and
00:45:19.940he's not really on the i thought that was a good movie i'm not my favorite movie of all time but
00:45:24.480i i don't know i don't really have i i really am eclectic that way like i i i will love something
00:45:31.880and then i'll like i forget about it and then i'll watch the next thing so i'm i'm thinking
00:45:37.220yeah but i actually did like shawshank redemption it was it really was a very good movie although
00:45:45.380it didn't do well in the box office it didn't listen nobody understood it even the people a lot
00:45:50.460of nobody understood the real meaning of what was going on in that what about you what's yours i
00:45:56.180never saw titanic so i can't even say that uh jaws jaws is my favorite because i was scared i was
00:46:03.180scared of the ocean for 20 years. So I think it deserves a level of accolade. I do like different
00:46:08.320genres. So I go way back. Like I like going way back to like the thin man with, uh, Myrna Loy
00:46:15.320and William Powell. I love, love anything with Catherine Hepburn, Adam's rib. I have a huge
00:46:22.220poster of Adam's rib in my, uh, in my office at school. And I tell the kids the story about
00:46:28.780Adam's rib and they're like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, I'm going to make them sit down
00:46:32.600to watch it. Um, so I like old movies like that. Um, I haven't seen that one in a long time.
00:46:41.220What was the one that had Jane Fonda and, and, and her brother and, and the, um, motorcycle?
00:46:49.100Um, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, yeah. And the world's worst at, I, I'm telling you,
00:46:53.680I don't remember the names of anything. I never have. Um, but that was also, uh,
00:46:58.800gosh i can't think of that was also very good because i love jane fonda i love who she is as
00:47:05.260a human and i love easy rider easy rider also jane fonda might be my favorite when people talk
00:47:12.500about celebrity um she's incredible and i just was re-watching newsroom i think i was talking
00:47:18.580to you about it a little bit yeah yeah and even her character and that i'm like she you know
00:47:24.760obviously Frankie and Grace, Grace and Frankie, Frankie and Grace is amazing, but she's, but the
00:47:31.300person she is always impresses me. You know, like a lot of people are like, Joanna, like, why don't
00:47:37.020you, you, why don't you get more celebrities on, you know, whatever. Cause they, maybe I have
00:47:43.920interactions with some people. I'm like, listen, actors and actresses and musicians, they're
00:47:48.500amazing and they're amazing at what they do. But the people I want to talk to are the people that
00:47:53.160have something else to talk about. I'm not going to sit, I'm not, I'm not intelligent enough or
00:48:00.320aware enough or educated enough to talk about acting techniques and what did it, that's not
00:48:05.780going to be any fun for me. So I want to talk about things that, that I understand and that
00:48:10.200I can connect to. So if they're going to talk about, you know, social issues, like the fact
00:48:15.200that angelina jolie gave up movies and worked for the un like what that's what i want to talk about
00:48:23.380yeah she's she's impressive too i think what people don't often connect is the that the
00:48:29.780movies and tv shows are an absolute reflection of what's going on in society and where we're
00:48:37.200trending so if you think about like um uh the one with um will smith in it um again terrible with
00:48:46.140names um new movie or older no an old tv show where he was uh going into the what's that yeah
00:48:53.620fresh fresh prince miller yeah so if you if you think about fresh prince or sanford and sons or
00:49:00.520um uh Archie Bunker's uh family what was it whatever it was called um these these movies
00:49:07.540and tv shows are reflections of society and they actually are arbiters of what is happening
00:49:15.620and the shift culturally that needs to happen and is happening and so whether it was a black
00:49:21.460kid living in a rich white home whether it was the Beverly Hillbillies and people who were poor
00:49:27.020being gentr, going into a gentrification into a neighborhood and having money suddenly, whether
00:49:31.960it was, you know, all like Sanford and Sons, a junk dealer and, you know, or the racism and the
00:49:40.140homophobia that happened in with Archie Bunker and that whole angst between him and Edith and
00:49:49.560son-in-law and his daughter. This is all, this isn't just entertainment. And this is what I
00:49:56.280think hollywood does uh when it does it well it does it very well it's a reflection of what is
00:50:01.100really happening in our world and you're probably going to you know you are seen and have seen over
00:50:06.240the course of the last five or six years um you know an evolution of of the awareness of what's
00:50:11.840going on politically in in the world absolutely and and some of the challenges that we are facing
00:50:16.400as a nation and even up to today where you saw you know where you see adolescence uh you know
00:50:22.280a TV series about what's happening to young boys and how they're getting
00:50:26.820radicalized and how they're, you know, like online,
00:50:29.600they're changing who they are and what's going on with social media.
00:50:32.440That is a reflection of now and what could happen.
00:50:36.020So I always say to people, pay attention,
00:50:38.240pay attention to the narrative that's out there because it actually,