00:08:03.420right? Who's your favorite? And I'll, and I'll be like, that's the beauty of the show.
00:08:07.880The show doesn't work. No, no, no. You have to say I'm your favorite.
00:08:14.120Charisma is my favorite. Okay. Now go ahead. Charisma. Listen, listen, I wasn't going to
00:08:19.160pull this out right now, but that is the only one of the only Buffy tattoos. So I have Slayers up
00:08:24.780here, but I do have pieces. We get the pieces. Our job sucks. Right around my wrist. I don't
00:08:31.840what that means you said it you said it when the judge blew up look i'm gonna really guys when the
00:08:40.720judge blew up the judge the judge you know the blue guy an angel nope the judge angel was on it
00:08:50.480before i have to re-watch my show i have no yeah but you don't you don't necessarily sit down and
00:08:57.040watch it. Although I am fascinated by how many, how many things you really do remember. But it
00:09:03.580was a fair, like the, the, the guy exploded, everybody says, pick him up. And Oz goes arm
00:09:10.000and you're like pieces, we get the pieces, our job sucks, which by the way, I think is just one
00:09:16.220of like, in life, I love the life application of quotes that I can use from that show.
00:09:23.440um because i think they're so incredibly powerful it was when angel was bad it was in that
00:09:30.240season two era so why did that resonate with you in real life what's up when did you use it
00:09:36.500why did that resonate with you so much so that you tattooed it and then two i need to know in
00:09:41.820what context you've used that in life i think it's it's very much like sometimes when you're
00:09:49.860doing a job. Sometimes when there's things you have to do in your life, you get stuck doing the
00:09:56.200thing that you don't want to do. You have no desire to do it, but you do it anyway, because
00:10:02.300it's handling, and I don't mean this metaphorically, but it's handling the small pieces of
00:10:08.120life that sometimes feel overwhelming, annoying, disempowering. And you're like, my job sucks0.98
00:10:15.100Because I'm going to have to clean all of this up, whether it be figuratively or metaphorically, but knowing full well there's humor in that.
00:10:24.520Knowing full well that, and that's the brilliance of the show, knowing full well that there's an idea that you have to be a part of it, but you're going to go into it being funny, making fun of it, acknowledging.
00:10:40.040I don't know why it's such a problem to acknowledge when life sucks and things are hard.
00:10:46.780Because not everything's, you know, shades of roses and puppy dogs.
00:10:51.480Like I have a friend who's a mom and she'll talk about how hard it is to be a mom, right?0.54
00:11:09.240but sometimes things are hard. Things are boring.
00:11:13.740Okay. I got to interject. Did anybody see that movie with Paul Rudd and Leslie Mann,
00:11:21.740This Is 40 or something, where she literally goes, God, my kid's an asshole. God, he's an1.00
00:11:26.760asshole, right? That's such an asshole thing. You've got to, come on. You have to. This is1.00
00:11:33.040not realistic. It's not realistic to be like, oh, my child is the like, of course my son is
00:11:38.480the love of my life. He is my reason, but also he can be an asshole. Thank you. By the way,1.00
00:11:44.380so can I, and I can also fail and I can also disappoint and lose my shit and like, act like1.00
00:11:51.420I have my shit together and I have all the answers when I don't, you know, like it's just so stupid.0.99
00:11:55.940If you can't be real, I have no tolerance for inauthenticity. I just can't do it.1.00
00:11:59.800There we go. And there we go. And that's what really drew me to you. Like listening to the
00:12:04.200way you speak of sure Buffy and Angel and you know Veronica Mars I mean those shows are amazing
00:12:11.320but it's the authenticity from which you speak and I also have a lot of respect I mean this show's
00:12:16.980been off the air for a minute and and the way that you still respect and and honor it I also
00:12:25.540find impressive because there are some let's say actors or actresses who really want to move on and
00:12:30.880be like, listen, that was a long time ago. Can we talk about this project? Or can we talk, you know,
00:12:35.040they're just like, that's not me anymore. Yeah. But you really do. You, you honor the people that
00:12:42.220are standing in front of you. I, I, I mean, I've met you at Comic-Con before, but you really do
00:12:46.340honor that. And there's an authentic respect there that I really appreciate.
00:12:51.620Thank you. I do feel that way though, about the show, because, uh, it was an enormous part of my
00:12:58.080life. A lot of people go to college, right? Think about how people feel about their college
00:13:01.640experiences and they remember their professors, they remember their love, they remember their
00:13:07.140heartbreak, they remember their field tests. Like, you know, this was my college. This was,
00:13:12.020but, you know, it was 10 years and those relationships were defining and those experiences
00:13:21.540are visceral. It was so all-encompassing. Being on a set when you're rehearsing lines or you're
00:13:33.520actually filming and you're on camera, you have to be so fucking present. There's no way to be0.97
00:13:42.240anything else but absolutely present in that moment while you're doing that job.
00:13:46.880And when you're living your life on set, moment to moment, authentically present there, that's incredible to really be present. I love that acting makes me or requires me to be absolutely listening and present. That never happens in today's life, but with all the distractions that exist.
00:14:05.520But also when you go into life, we are this group of people that are slowly but surely gaining momentum and popularity.
00:14:12.760And Sarah's on the cover of Rolling Stone and then on SNL and then we're doing talk shows and journalists, you know, TV guide or like, like, what is your life?
00:33:09.580that no maori is the maori are in um are in hawaii but um it's north of new zealand and0.96
00:33:18.960their tribal and all the people that had leprosy was sent there they are pygmies um i don't can't
00:33:25.700remember the name of that the island but anyway like just going through like looking at what0.91
00:33:30.060leprosy looks like looking looking at what um domestic violence looks like so i was just like
00:33:34.800So every time I would close my eyes, I would have actual pictures in my mind and just, you know, actually experiencing it. And I don't know, it's just, my job is so fucking interesting. You know, it's just, you have to learn about things. You have to educate yourself on things. And it's just always so surprising. And it's nothing I can ever harness. I can never feel like, oh, I've arrived.
00:33:59.940I'm this critically acclaimed actor on this award-winning show.
00:34:05.660I think that that's why people that win Oscars keep going because it's not the accolade.
00:34:13.040It's literally the joy, the never being able to harness it, the striving for excellence,
00:34:23.480the wanting to be in a moment and being present, a thousand percent present. It's just so
00:34:33.160hard to do that. And I just love how it scares the shit out of me. Auditions scare the shit out
00:34:43.440of me. You have a big monologue, you're scared shitless. I think of, God bless her, Anne Heche,0.99
00:34:51.580but I remember reading an article about her and how she was in some big,
00:35:21.580Hmm. I make no sense. I make that makes perfect. And I also so going back to her. It's interesting. The part that you really resonates about the character in that moment was obviously, I guess, a metaphysical or a supernatural version, because this is what I think these shows did so well.
00:35:44.180They take a human thing and they make it supernatural. And the human thing that you felt and that you saw was empathy. That was it. You are feeling if you have somebody that's empathetic or you have somebody like you just took it to a 10, right?
00:36:03.020But you're describing being an actor and achieving that as how do I, how do I, how do I gain, how do I get to full empathy? And that's scary. It must be exhausting. It must be painful, but it would present the most beautiful connection to life and to people.
00:36:30.620and I think that's what people are drawn to with you yes Cordelia yes you know you're what you do
00:36:38.380but I think it's that empathy just the way you've described what you went through in order to get to
00:36:46.340where you needed to be that's what people are are impressed by in my opinion I just call it
00:36:53.840preparation I think like all actors do their version of it you know yeah but I think different
00:36:59.260I mean, listen, different actors and maybe different actors and different people in general sort of are more guarded with it and more limited and more standoffish for their own particular reasons.
00:37:11.740Because I think to be an actor, like to really jump in, it's like you're vulnerable all the time.
00:37:20.200So I think for some people, then they shutter it off, they close it off and they call it a day and maybe not with their friends and family.
00:37:27.160um i think you know i think even the way you talk about um your relationships with other female
00:37:35.700actors like i've seen some people in the comments kind of you know what about your relationship with
00:37:41.180or what about this or what about and they're trying to they're trying to push the needle
00:37:44.880towards you saying something about your your co-stars specifically pitting women against women
00:37:51.820and you never, ever take the bait. Ever. I really want to actually more than not take the bait,
00:38:04.060call it out. Yeah. Because there is a real toxicity in that, that I don't want to participate
00:38:12.300in and encourage others to not participate in it also. Because now more than ever, I mean,
00:38:19.540in today's political climate, especially, you know, and actually going hearkening back to 2015
00:38:25.040when all that was going on and, you know, we'll leave like names out. But I feel like there was
00:38:29.540a real tendency to just get really toxic and to name call and be nasty and mock people and
00:38:39.620get involved in infighting. And that is a part of humanity that doesn't need amplification.
00:38:44.960it's there it exists we don't need to give it more time and attention or energy and um even
00:38:52.420though i am giving it energy by addressing it i just think it's important to go we're not doing
00:38:57.960that we're not doing that in 25 this isn't we don't need help you know being shitty with each
00:39:04.020other you know let's let's let's lean into the good stuff you know and that's you know when when
00:39:10.300I'm going to do this podcast. And when I do do the podcast, you know, there's going to be,
00:39:14.960they're going to, there isn't, you know, like what's the T, you know? And when I say the T,
00:39:19.080like, you know, I'm going with the good T. I'm going with the T that is like uplifting and
00:39:27.020community building and unifying. You know, we had enough toxicity that we were dealing with
00:39:37.740at the time, I'm not interested in reliving that. I'm more interested in giving insights behind the
00:39:44.660scenes, you know, process giving. I mean, I don't know about you, but like, I want to know about
00:39:51.620people's process. I want to know about how they arrived at a scene. I want to know, like, what
00:39:57.640was going on? Like, oh, in this scene, right before this, Nikki and I knew we had to kiss.
00:40:04.160So we decided that we were going to eat the grossest food possible to see who could have
00:40:09.160the worst breath and just, you know, like those are the sorts of things that I think
00:40:13.320are fun and, you know, uplifting and, you know, because there's been enough of the negative.
00:40:19.220Like, let's talk about the yummy, you know, the good stuff.
00:40:24.080And I just think that's true outside of acting, outside of everything like that.
00:40:28.920I think I think culturally we've been very we've been very conditioned to to like the gossip to
00:40:39.240like by the way which nine time nine point nine times out of ten it's never true anyways but to
00:40:45.080be to be drawn into that but I really do think our souls I believe are you there sorry can you see
00:40:54.280me yeah okay good what's happened um i was trying to turn off my notifications and i pushed a button
00:41:01.720and then you were gone um i don't know we're still here you would have just you would have
00:41:06.600just pushed a notification and then it would have covered that can you see me now i don't see you
00:41:12.360damn it um google chrome i think you just probably have to click on the the app again like you know
00:41:20.360where where we were filming again yeah this could be like a jeopardy moment i could sing if you like0.98
00:41:33.480you couldn't join the room because you've already joined
00:41:37.560you're in the room you're already in the room and i have and i have a um a tech company
00:41:44.760oh my god okay hi that was funny um yeah i think people want the good0.99
00:41:56.120yeah i mean some people do and some people don't and those people can fuck off0.96
00:42:02.920um the world we're living in so so going right from that talking about how like right now i have0.73
00:42:19.580to say the last month i have felt anxious more anxious than i think i've ever felt before um
00:42:27.680Imagine being American. Imagine being a young gay person in the U.S. Imagine being a person of color in the U.S. Imagine being a woman in the U.S. where we are literally, we voted in a sex offender.
00:42:44.600you know and he's systematically taken dismantled any government website that helps women get
00:42:53.900reproductive care that he has taken down i i just you know i just can't unleashed ice and national
00:43:01.840guard to deport 10 million people um and i think that this is a very controversial thing people are
00:43:08.680like, well, they don't belong here and they're all, you know, terrible word, insert terrible
00:43:18.700And you just have to think, I just have to think to myself, like the naysayers are kind
00:43:27.300of going there and they're saying, well, he's just deporting the criminals first.
00:43:33.180And that's not true because, um, my girlfriend who lives in Arizona was telling me that they've
00:43:39.380just raided, uh, an apartment complex near her. My, um, friend, I have family members that are
00:43:46.580teachers. They've all been getting warnings and they're trying to figure out ways now that
00:43:54.540the cheeto in charge has decided that churches and schools are not safe havens for people so
00:44:04.480and i think like as i put on my tiktok has anybody thought this through like haven't our kids
00:44:10.200like if you want to deport families i'm sorry this is the land built on immigration or you know
00:44:17.840immigrants and also who's going to fill those jobs who's going to want to do those jobs and
00:44:22.440have you realize what is the supply chain issues that's going to bring up and how that's going to1.00
00:44:27.100drive up price of eggs that is the reason why you voted for them in the first place. Nobody's
00:44:32.540thinking this through, but we'll be safe. If we can't police effectively and absorb these things,
00:44:43.580I don't even know what to say. I'm not a politician. I'm just a human being. I'm just
00:44:49.780watching what's going on and just thinking this is not the solution we're we've removed ourselves0.95
00:44:55.700from the paris accords we don't give a shit about uh our our climate and now we're withdrawing from0.93
00:45:04.260fema and so in north carolina like all the disaster that they had terrible flooding there0.80
00:45:09.360we have a horrible fire in california and we're gonna remove any kind of support um i i do not
00:45:17.020I want to go back to a time when Republicans were like John McCain and Jimmy Carter, not Reagan, because he started all this, put a lot of vulnerable people on the street because of his state hospital budget cuts.
00:45:36.440um i'm completely disillusioned with my country at this moment in time and just utterly shocked by
00:45:45.320fellow women betraying each other i think that is probably the most devastating thing about it
00:45:52.180more disappointing than having him in office is the women that voted him in i just to a big
00:45:59.140to a break level i i absolutely agree i think that
00:46:02.580it's like when buffy was on in that era it was it was not ahead of it well it was it was ahead
00:46:13.320of its time because i know but like you they almost got canceled many many many of times it
00:46:18.340kept bouncing around networks because to me it was just a little ahead of the gambit right like
00:46:23.800it's this the themes and the ideas need to be applied now but when you speak about reagan like
00:46:30.840i remember so when reagan was president brian mulroney was prime minister of canada and they
00:46:35.520were very very in sync um and i and i don't know if you remember his presidency you know physically
00:46:43.420remember that shift in your culture but that's what the pendulum has done right it goes jimmy
00:46:49.300harder. You couldn't have somebody more left than this beautiful soul of a person who wants
00:46:54.660to build houses and protect everybody. And then everybody shifted the other way.
00:47:00.020He believed in the Christian. He believed in those... He had the Christian values0.72
00:47:06.900that I believed in, where you do feed the poor and social programs. To me, I feel like
00:47:14.420like high tides rise all boats. You know, you're going to have, if you want to fight crime,
00:47:22.260have more social programs. If you're losing billions of dollars in small businesses and
00:47:28.800also big department stores, I remember when I left LA, they were doing these crash and grabs
00:47:33.640where they would just literally drive into a department store, crash the windows down,
00:47:38.680Everybody just get out and just snatch and grab all they could.
00:50:13.660You're literally doing a vote for the person, the worst person, because it doesn't count.
00:50:20.760And so then if you're not voting for the person that actually embodies the change that you want to see, then you're voting for the person that doesn't when you vote for a third party.
00:50:30.700We don't have it. I think a lot of Americans have issue with the two party system.
00:50:36.040I think that's a failure that needs to be addressed.
00:50:39.980I don't think there's an Arab parent. We don't have anybody that I can think of right now.0.94
00:50:43.960I mean, I would love Peter Buttigieg to be, I think he's served, he's smart, he's eloquent,
00:51:13.340Are you, do you have good character? And, you know, can you represent us on an international
00:51:18.220stage? Um, I'm, I don't know. Do we want to go there? Do we want to go there? You know, is this,
00:51:26.260is this, I like the deep sigh. You know why I like the deep sigh? Cause that is exactly what
00:51:35.760every single person is feeling right now. What you just did is genuinely, everybody just
00:51:44.280is heavy with that deep sigh and not seeing an avenue, which is why I think it is so incredibly
00:51:52.160important to keep conversations going, to keep dialogue going, to keep smart, intelligent,
00:51:59.480articulate people. I read a stat that said something like 72% of people that listen to
00:52:08.180podcasts voted Republican. Why is that? Because the right is controlling this long form medium
00:52:21.120better. There's not enough people, like I'm so happy you're going to start one. There's not
00:52:27.580enough people occupying this space in an authentic, intelligent way on the other side. And I also
00:52:34.320think it's about authenticity, which is why, again, I'm going to go back to your acting. I'm
00:52:39.000going to go back to Buffy. I'm going to go back to the idea that people are starved for authenticity
00:52:45.420and in absence, because I think politics in general, right? You said you're not a politician.
00:52:53.160good because I don't even like I don't even like the categorization what I want to hear
00:52:59.560is articulate people with good ideas who are going to have good discussions without spewing hate
00:53:05.480that's what I want that that is politics right when you say politician it's like this job that
00:53:13.560people are supposed to fit into in this box and I think the box has killed the 90 million
00:53:19.200the 90 million are watching it going it all seems like they're just playing a bit of a game like
00:53:25.680matter and you know who am i i'm just one person and that is you know margaret mead said um you know
00:53:35.980that in in protest of that thinking which is you know the the the the ability or what is it the
00:53:46.680the acts of a small few impacts masses something to that effect absolutely um i i think what's
00:53:54.180what you hit on about authenticity is i think people think trump is authentic yes i think they
00:53:59.080think he's real i think they think like oh he's not a politician he's 100 a politician he is the
00:54:06.080president of the united states twice now you don't think that's what a politician does do you don't
00:54:10.200think a politician doesn't tell you everything you need to hear to get into office so that then
00:54:13.940he can dismantle everything like that is that is 100% what he said but then on the other hand I
00:54:19.620have to say like everything that he said he was he also said you know the project 2025 manual that
00:54:25.980is out that was written by all of his cabinet members by the way but he has nothing to do with
00:54:31.080project 2025 right he's not going to have or try to have a national banner on abortion meanwhile
00:54:37.060while he's installed three in his first term, the most, I mean, he's really, really, for an absolute
00:54:45.120megalomaniac, selfish, self-centered, vain, all the things that I could call this person,
00:54:52.880him and his group have systematically set things up so smart. And I think the Democrats don't play
00:55:02.580as dirty. So like we deferred, we didn't install a Supreme court justice when we could have right
00:55:07.720before. And Garland was like, okay, we were not going to go ahead and do this because you know,
00:55:13.280it's so close to the election. That's not fair or whatever. What did he do? No, that was,
00:55:20.580and by the way, you have, you have like, I'm like stack the court. Also, why isn't Biden right
00:55:29.080before he goes out putting abortion clinics on every federal land imaginable for the last two
00:55:34.920years. So they're protected. But that would just be undone by Trump. I cannot believe he got
00:55:40.140elected. I just cannot believe this man got elected. And now I really wish I could. I just
00:55:49.340don't think that people that did vote for him care. And this whole, the whole war in the Middle1.00
00:55:57.020least it's happening you know there's there so many of the jewish community even here in new york
00:56:02.560i mean i walk my dog i know people we'd have street street corner conversations with people
00:56:07.060past with spies and they're just going i don't feel safe i don't under the biden administration
00:56:11.540i don't feel safe and i feel like trump is the only one that's really gonna take care of it and
00:56:15.240make me feel safe and i go can i ask you a question and they're like yeah and i go do you remember the
00:56:19.080black lives matter movement yeah how safe do you think they felt under his watch didn't they get
00:56:26.000gas didn't they didn't communities get burned down didn't like and then the blaming of antifa
00:56:30.920and all these different things like how what makes you think he's going to be able to handle
00:56:34.360or make you feel any safer when he did not make anybody in that communicate community feel safer
00:56:40.740before middle and at the end of it in fact it led to massive protests and more people getting hurt
00:56:48.300more people getting arrested more and more and more i think there's two i think there's two things
00:56:53.740I think in absence of intelligent, empathetic authenticity, people will take somebody who appears to be authentic, even though their ideas seem crass and horrible and very stripped down into the bare bones and almost elementary.
00:57:17.220it's as though he figured out a way to try to talk like the everyday I don't think it's true
00:57:24.220but like talk like the everyday person so that I used to think he made mistakes purposefully
00:57:29.900grammar mistakes and spelling mistakes purposefully yeah because people are like see
00:57:38.320he's I never used the right to anyway I like this guy I'm tired of being made feel
00:57:44.300so i think that's number one that is so true you hit it on the head yes i would never eat0.97
00:57:52.340all the things i have a golden fucking toilet he's not an everyday man he's your everyday man0.99
00:57:58.000100 cares about you workers as he gives his fucking fellows all the tax cuts and there is0.99
00:58:06.980no more a middle class and you as the lower quarter of the united states are paying the0.97
00:58:12.840most in taxes. Here's what I think. Here's a shift for everything, but it's okay. I'm telling
00:58:22.400you right now, everybody's going to be all right. We're just going to have to go through this
00:58:27.180together. But going through this, going through this incredibly hard moment is going to allow
00:58:34.160and going to pave way for more beauty, more empathy, more progress than you ever could have
00:58:40.920imagined right now why do you say that tell me right now season seven i don't you know season
00:58:47.180seven for buffy season five for angel i mean i don't like the way angel ended but that's just me
00:58:51.760but it's it's the moment it's the moment where you are you're in a position where you don't
00:58:59.380think you can win you're in a position where you feel overpowered you're in a position where you
00:59:04.940think they have all of the control and they're doing these horrible things but it's only in
00:59:10.720this moment that humanity in general in general musters and understands that oh no that's that
00:59:22.480evil again buffy or not that evil if i don't do something about it that's going to win and i think
00:59:32.880in that moment as i really do believe this the intelligent empathetic amazing community
00:59:40.160based people on this planet, in the United States, in Canada, all across the world,
00:59:45.620the 90 million who didn't vote go, now it's time. And that's how change happens.
00:59:53.420Human beings, we're not very smart. We're not very forward thinking, right? That's why the
00:59:58.520environment is such a hard thing for us to wrap our heads around and really pour money into,
01:00:03.600because that's 20 years down the road, 30 years down the road. We don't do well without an
01:00:08.940immediate threat. Countries are forged by an immediate threat. Why do you think Trump's
01:00:15.260trying so hard to create a threat where there isn't one? Because it's the quickest way to
01:00:21.440galvanize people. I think there are threats. There is, there are threats. But that's what I,
01:00:26.980but that's what I'm saying. He's, he's manufacturing some to galvanize his side.
01:00:31.300What I'm saying is that in terms of like, um, the caravan headed for the American
01:00:37.700oh sure it's them i mean that's that's old trope right it's them don't worry it doesn't matter who
01:00:44.580they are as long as you pick a group of people and you say it's their fault your life is hard
01:00:49.860it's their fault you don't have a job it's their fault you that mean that's that's the way it it
01:00:56.900is manipulated you know yeah in the bathrooms and all that stuff i mean doesn't anybody worry about
01:01:04.100like, you know, I'm like, what about on the airplane? Don't we all use the same bathroom?
01:01:08.600Like, what is wrong with you? I can't with the bathrooms. The bathroom thing. What is your
01:01:14.120problem? I don't want to, like, what, what do you mean? It, it is the push. It is, again,
01:01:22.940it's, it's the pendulum. We've had, look, you guys had eight amazing, even though I don't agree
01:01:29.300with everything Obama did. You have these eight amazing years. You have this, a level of, of
01:01:33.820social progress. You have us speaking about emotional intelligence. You have us changing
01:01:40.500classroom dynamics. You have us understanding that diversity and equity is actually important.
01:01:47.480Forget nice. Like let's stop pretending it's just nice to do. Let's start understanding it's just
01:01:53.860smart to do, right? The more people I can put in a room with different ideas, the smarter we all
01:01:59.780get. That's it. The more people I can draw upon, like your childhood would have been extremely
01:02:05.920different than mine. To be able to talk about that, to be able to reason through that, to be
01:02:10.760able to sit down and come up with some solutions on the basis of different ways of life, that is
01:02:16.580powerful. And I do believe we're going to go through a little bit here. We're going to go
01:02:23.300through a little bit, we're going to, we're going to be brought to the edge of that precipice for
01:02:28.180us to galvanize, to recognize, and to make all the changes that we need to make. But that just
01:02:35.280means all of our voices need to get stronger. Louder. Well, I love your optimism. I'm here for
01:02:41.800it. But I really do see some really dramatic tactics being done that have never been done
01:02:51.040before that is way more threatening than i ever even imagined just with the control of media alone
01:02:59.520and by you know just servers and and google searches and like things being removed and you
01:03:07.600know that's i've never seen that before and you know the whole thing about his his supporters
01:03:12.880going free speech free speech i'm like wait free speech means that there's going to be
01:03:17.760there's going to be pushback on what you say like when you go live with this podcast there are going
01:03:25.120to be people that are going to write in and go i wholeheartedly with my full chest absolutely0.88
01:03:30.000disagree this is bullshit and all that that is that is called engagement that is called free0.76
01:03:35.360speech but when you remove the criticism when you remove and you start to demonize you know um0.98
01:03:41.680institutional media which to an extent i get it because they're all owned by these oligarchs and
01:03:46.800these wealthy people but when when when it stops being that and you that's that's problem i've
01:03:54.720never seen it on this level in my lifetime you know i'm in my 50s i've never seen this in my
01:04:00.960lifetime the level you know you can't have one job and support a family anymore and that is what so
01:04:09.120many boomers and people that are a little bit older than me or my age say about the young is
01:04:14.480like they don't want to work hard or whatever i'm like well hold on how about what was possible
01:04:21.200when my parents were alive and what was possible when i was like for me just in the acting industry
01:04:26.160alone this is how much has changed the new generation of actors coming in they're going
01:04:31.200to be on streamers they're going to be on um in this for this new format which is called new media
01:04:36.800which took place in 2007 2008 in the stock market crash so all of these uh studios if you were on
01:04:45.840the bubble and you weren't already picked up you were dropped right so now now we have this strike
01:04:51.280so we're like no work for eons people need to get back to work so they create new media so now we're
01:04:56.240gonna have video right so this isn't under the same contract so we can just get people working
01:05:01.520again and and food on the table for folks well what happens then is the onset of like netflix
01:05:07.600who just in this most recent uh strike was saying like we're unfounded it's been 20 years on the
01:05:14.160what do you mean you don't have the analytics you don't know you know what you're giving up when you
01:05:19.040give artists this we i have noticed just since 2007 2008 all of the like no residuals and then
01:05:29.360then they're like well we're giving you more money up front my up front money for like the
01:05:33.760lying game and for when i did surviving evil which is discovery which is an alternative media it's
01:05:38.400not even the same scope it's not as an actor or a tv show it's not scripted television so it doesn't
01:05:43.680necessarily fall into the same category but like just the lying game alone my last series i think
01:05:50.680i ended out in 2013 2012 so no residuals then they like we want to pay you up front you know
01:05:59.000more to offset what you won't get later. And the more was half of my rate because they're
01:06:08.920free form or ABC family. They're the redheaded stepchild of the network conglomerate, right?
01:06:15.220It's not ABC, it's ABC family. So we're just a small fledgling thing. And you're like,
01:06:20.160you know, you're, they're just getting smaller and smaller and smaller. People don't realize
01:06:24.320this so just the economics of just my industry alone has changed so the the the what is the the
01:06:32.640what do you call it the landscape the landscape of this one industry has changed exponentially
01:06:39.440over time so i grew up in the golden age so these new kids that are on like i think um sweeney
01:06:48.000what's her name from euphoria euphoria the blonde and she was in um um white lotus huge
01:06:54.540she's like a superstar in feature films gorgeous gorgeous girl and she's like yeah i have to have
01:07:00.220multiple jobs because you think i because i'm on tv that i'm making a boatload of money but
01:07:05.480the reality is they're paying me more up front but i won't like when she's my age
01:07:10.560she won't see one dollar nothing's paying into like nothing pays into your pension nothing pays
01:07:19.200and and then now they're in the habit of just removing a show off the platform entirely so
01:07:24.780there's no residuals at all so i grew up in a golden era i am and was able to buy a house i
01:07:31.280you know but this new generation of whatever industry you're in don't have the same advantages
01:07:36.980is right so is it that they're lazy and they don't want to work hard or they're pampered like
01:07:41.520i'm sorry did you live through a pandemic i didn't yep it's listen it's no humanity everybody's0.96
01:07:49.280comparing and shitting on each other i hate it i think whoa whoa whoa we're gonna go back to0.58
01:07:54.800optimism i'm gonna fix it all don't worry don't worry um now i feel like i need to hydrate though0.97
01:07:59.780um i'm like when did the last time i had water i don't i never did this is an
01:08:06.640right unbelievable have a coffee with me on camera drinking water
01:08:11.920because i don't drink water you'll be like wow um two things number one the flexibilization
01:08:17.920and casualization of your industry i think is common in almost everyone when people talk to
01:08:27.760me about problems in the economy and elitist i love it it cracks me up i'm like i'm more unemployed
01:08:34.880that i am employed i am very familiar with unemployment and the cost of milk and eggs
01:08:40.560more than you realize i know the gas okay it ain't it ain't like that for everybody yes yes
01:08:48.160and what a crazy thing like i know people you know i i've gotten to know a lot of people in
01:08:54.480the industry uh you know whether it be soap operas whether it be movies whether it be other tv shows
01:09:00.400And the interesting part is, is what ends up happening is a lot of the times you garner
01:09:06.600so much fame very, very quickly, which means you're going to have to have security, which
01:09:13.160means you're going to have to have like, and you're paying lots of different people from
01:09:17.040that paycheck that you get and which, which isn't even, you know, lifelong consistent.
01:09:22.560Have you had this conversation with another actor?
01:09:26.820And even the security alone, I've had conversations just about that, like, just about the need, and you would have experienced this being on Buffy.
01:09:36.260There's no way, like at the height of Buffy, you're going to walk out your house.
01:09:39.560Now, everybody's going to know who you are.
01:09:41.940And there's this hyper need a little bit for security, more for privacy, more for all of those things.
01:09:48.080And people think because you're famous, you're a kabillionaire.
01:09:56.040is like one of the, one of the things I wish I could change more than anything. And there's so
01:10:00.780much like shame around money, like if you have it or don't have it. And I think people don't
01:10:06.200realize like, you know, yes, I got residuals. I'm one of the lucky ones. I got residuals for sure.
01:10:13.040Lucky. I lost my healthcare in December. People don't realize that those residuals run out. They
01:10:19.040go increasingly less right and because in 2007 2008 the shoot shows that i was on uh when i was
01:10:26.600on you know i think a couple of seasons of the lion game that would have sustained me right now
01:10:31.760if i got residuals for my new media project called surviving evil that was on investigation
01:10:36.800discovery channel i might would still be able to have my insurance and you know the last time i did
01:10:43.760a broadcast television show was Dynasty in 2023. So this is 2025. So like, I don't know why people
01:10:53.760think that, you know, yes, when you work, you make a shit ton of money. And I have made a great deal
01:11:01.860of money. I don't mean to make it sound like I haven't been fortunate. I have. However, I've
01:11:07.480spent more time unemployed than employed. And you have to budget for that. And when you're 29,
01:11:12.960you're thinking you're going to be rich your whole fucking life exactly exactly just like0.99
01:11:17.680what 29 year old has financial literacy we don't teach that in school which is so disgusting to me0.99
01:11:25.880that that isn't like our like we don't know how to do our taxes we have to pay somebody to do our
01:11:29.540taxes i'll have us have business managers that steal you know like i can't even tell you you
01:11:35.160have whatever idea say say let's just take it hypothetical you make 12 20 000 for the month
01:11:42.960or a week, whatever it is. That's on the lower end. So right off the bat, Uncle Sam,
01:11:50.160because you're making X amount of dollars within a short amount of time. So you're going to pay
01:11:55.180the most in taxes. So 50% gone. Now you're down to 10,000. Then you have an agent, 10%. Then you
01:12:00.920have a manager, 10%. That is 70% of your income gone already. So now you're living on 30% gross
01:12:09.220or no, that's net. So then you have 30% of your income. Well, are you the breadwinner of your
01:12:15.620home? I was, I had a mortgage, I had two cars, I had a baby and you know, I'm working gazillion
01:12:20.400hours. So somebody was paying my bills. So they get a percentage. Oh, I didn't say my business
01:12:25.060manager, my business manager gets 5%. So you're looking at 75% of your income and living off of
01:12:32.90025% of your income. And I think the general, it's like such a disservice to think. And then
01:12:38.600when you're making this money for 10 years, this high income amount of money, and then you stop as
01:12:45.160you get older, especially if you're a woman, you work less and less and less, you're having to
01:12:49.260project. Now I'm 54. Now it's 27 years since the show was on. How many people do you know
01:12:57.840can budget or stocked money away? Yeah. How many people do you know that are still living off of
01:13:05.120the money that they made when they were in their twenties. Yeah. None. So, you know, it's just,
01:13:10.700it's just, it's a perception gap that I, and there's a lot of shame around it and I don't0.99
01:13:17.220give a fuck. I will say it, you know, like this is the reality. You know, I have made millions0.98
01:13:24.860in my life more than anybody, you know, obviously that's a one percenter, but that was a long time
01:13:33.080ago that was a long time ago i also got divorced you know they're just life is expensive and also
01:13:39.720when you're 29 you're not smart you you think you're gonna make money so you're like oh i'm
01:13:44.680gonna go to france for the for two weeks or you know when you're in the height of your show
01:13:50.040you know it was it really was a golden era you didn't think the whole economy was going to take
01:13:54.200a dump five years after your first child is born yeah and you're living in california with the
01:14:00.200highest state taxes right so i think talking about that is essential well
01:14:09.400you have to what i mean i don't know what the reason it's like i just want people to understand
01:14:14.520that when i speak for my the the benefits of social progress i genuinely care also because
01:14:21.880i'm a part of that group and i don't think people think of me as that they think of me as just this
01:14:27.240elitist person and then then your company's like do you still have money it's like gross
01:14:31.880that's inappropriate and gross it's like i don't know do you do can i see your checking account0.56
01:14:38.200like rude that's just disrespectful it's like you don't get automatic access if i want to volunteer0.72
01:14:43.880what's going on with me i'm happy to do it but don't be rude and don't try to shame me or make
01:14:48.840me feel bad because i don't live on the top of maulholland behind a golden gate like you think
01:14:54.360I do. And if I don't, that I've done something wrong along the way. It's not. It's just the
01:14:59.960realities of what it costs to do business as an actor. And I think as a whole, I think if we had
01:15:08.060more people in more different elements of life, I think that the powers that be, I didn't use that
01:15:18.120on purpose, but that's kind of funny that I said that. That was perfect. That should be our
01:15:25.480thumbnail. But the powers that be really want us to be doing exactly what we're doing right here.
01:15:32.920They really do want us, I'm a teacher, to be thinking, oh, Charisma has it so good,
01:15:39.120and she has this, and she has this. Either one of two things. They want to see us throwing down
01:15:44.660about what you have as opposed to what I have, or even better, they want me imagining that
01:15:50.540this, if I'm in this world, I can aspire to what you have. And that's always my goal. As long as
01:15:57.960I stay within this same framework, rather than saying what really needs to be said, you don't
01:16:04.200know what, oh, break it down. Either they're going to pit you and I against one another,
01:16:09.700right teacher versus celebrity versus actress right professional you know famous actress they
01:16:18.580want to pit us against one another especially for women god they love that or they want to create a
01:16:24.340scenario in which i just aspire to be you so i can get what you have both of those things both of
01:16:32.120those things are negating the real focus, which is how do we create sustainable economic
01:16:40.100relationships? How do we ensure that people are being paid equitably, not equally necessarily,
01:16:47.220but equitably? How do we create a fully functional economic system in which we grow the middle
01:16:54.440class, we protect all walks of life that are actually playing into the system, and we figure
01:17:00.260out how to do that rationally and equitably. That's what they don't want us talking about.
01:17:06.640Nobody wants anybody talking about financial literacy. They don't want you to read books.
01:17:10.960I mean, what's going on in my country, in Florida, like they're removing books. It's unreal to me.
01:17:16.980And then it's like the same party that's removing books is saying free speech. The same party that's
01:17:22.860saying that, you know, Elon, you know, who's co-president, I guess he offering a million
01:17:30.940dollars to people who register to vote, but that's not, they're not gonna, they're not trying to tell
01:17:37.280you who to vote for, but you know, I'm the party that's telling you, I'll give you a million
01:17:42.440dollars. Um, sure. Uh, just nobody wants financial literacy because you can't control the population
01:17:52.260if they are educated. We don't want critical thinking. We don't want everybody to have a
01:17:57.440higher learning because if there's higher learning, we cannot keep them in their menial jobs,
01:18:02.260which makes us rich. Can I tell you another sad fact? Because there's just two Debbie Downers.
01:18:09.840No, I'm still saying there's going to be a shift. Don't forget that was the beginning of this
01:18:14.500conversation. I mean, where's my pitchfork? Let's go. It's coming. Don't worry. I have three
01:18:20.480witches working in the back room. No. When you have that kind of focus on economics and you're1.00
01:18:30.740saying they're taking away books, and I want to come back to that for a second, because no matter
01:18:35.820what they do or try to do with social media, the internet's going to win. And what I mean by that
01:18:42.700is, I don't give a crap. You take Joe Biden off the internet search for presidents, or you switch0.98
01:18:49.420up this stuff or you the the internet is still a tidal wave that these men are going to do their
01:18:57.000best to control and manipulate it is going to be a tsunami they're not going to be able to stop it
01:19:02.980because i still believe that when i started teaching and i had a textbook in my hand and
01:19:07.520there was no internet there was way more censorship propaganda and control in that time than exists
01:19:14.540today. We just think that there was something. Why are you saying that? Based on what? Why are
01:19:19.880you saying that? Based on this, I think that, well, I know. Well, when we went to school,
01:19:25.380right? When I went to school, when we sat in the classroom. When we were in school than there is
01:19:30.400right now. Yes. Okay. Explain. In order to teach a class, you needed a textbook. When I was a kid,
01:19:38.740did you not think that everything in that textbook was right? I did. Yeah. Yeah.
01:19:44.540Who's right? Like, yes, that's the information. That's the source.
01:19:48.560Sure. So you sat down for American history, let's say, whatever year you do American history every
01:19:53.820year, whatever you do, you sit down and somebody hands you a 400 page textbook on American history
01:19:58.700and you study it and you go over it and you memorize when the, what?
01:20:03.260And in that moment, your sole piece of education, your sole piece of information
01:20:13.420is a textbook and whoever was standing in front of you and a newspaper or a television station
01:20:21.220that was owned by a few key people. And that's all the information you got.
01:20:26.900The only way you're going to- Hold on, hold on. Just put a pin in that for a second.
01:20:30.360But the reality is that there was journalistic integrity then. So there were checks and balances
01:20:37.520and guardrails put into position in journalism at the time. You couldn't report something that
01:20:42.520wasn't factually true. A lot of those things started with yellow journalism, right? When you0.84
01:20:49.900go right back to Hertz and Pulitzer, you talk about yellow journalism and the idea that if it0.66
01:20:55.300bleeds, it leads. You could have, I don't think people understand quite. So, okay, I'll come back
01:21:03.200to yellow journalism. When I hand you that textbook, and I say this to my kids every year,
01:21:06.960because I always give them a textbook. I don't even know why we do that anymore. I give them
01:21:10.500textbook and I say, guys, we're doing American history, 1775. We're going to go all the way up
01:21:15.420to maybe we'll hit 2000. And I'll say, what's the problem with this textbook? And they're like,
01:21:22.920well, it's written by the winners. I'm like, great. You know that line, fantastic. It's written by
01:21:26.620the winners. So you already know that it's going to be biased, right? And you already know maybe
01:21:31.820that it's not going to give when it talks about the civil war, it's going to do it from a
01:21:35.920perspective. That's cool. You know that. That's not the part I'm scared of. Because nowadays,
01:21:41.220you can go on the internet. Nowadays, you can talk to somebody from Taiwan. You can talk to
01:21:46.880somebody from Ghana. You can talk to these people. You can get different pieces of information.
01:21:53.180You want to know what scares me? Is why is the textbook from 1775 to 2000 only 400 pages long?
01:22:01.920how much history do you really think is in that book i'm not scared of what they say that's wrong
01:22:10.480i'm scared of what they never talk about at all when you were a kid when you were in school did
01:22:16.140you know anything about residential schools reservations for indigenous peoples uh we
01:22:23.540studied that when you were in high school yeah we talked we we talked about indigenous people and
01:22:29.060and sure you want to talk about it history sure but in a very conceptual i'll give you an example
01:22:36.740in canada i mean it's been a long time since i've been in high school girl but i'm just saying um
01:22:43.380yeah i remember studying that and i remember realizing you know but i also learned that
01:22:48.980columbus discovered america this is what i'm saying yeah so when i was in when i was in high
01:22:54.660school and i was teaching learning and then and then even at the beginning of my teaching career
01:22:59.620when we spoke about residential schools which canada had which was um forced boarding schools
01:23:06.900for indigenous peoples right where we stole their children this coming out in the news recently
01:23:11.780where the all the great mass graves were discovered absolutely and and it the only reason it came out
01:23:18.740and now is in the curriculum is because the indigenous population within canada has fought
01:23:23.140for it gone to court for it but when i was in when i was in school nobody ever once not one time
01:23:29.380talked about a residential school not one time nobody even mentioned the word and when i started
01:23:34.340teaching residential schools were a little side note in a textbook that said and we tried to help
01:23:39.860indigenous people by sending them to school and teaching them english that was it that was it
01:23:46.580so my fear and when i go further when i go back like that i'm not saying there's no censorship
01:23:52.820i'm not saying there's no propaganda i am saying we are more powerful with access to the internet
01:23:59.300than we've ever been before and i do think even though they're centering our internet now though
01:24:04.900here in the state of course but again you can try to censor the internet all you want there are so
01:24:12.180many avenues for the internet like people talk about oh they took my post down on twitter listen
01:24:17.300There are so many different avenues for you to gain information. I still argue that we are more educated, more aware, we can have better conversations than we've ever been at any moment in history. And when I go back to yellow journalism, and I think the stories that they put on news stations primarily were driven, if it bleeds, it leads.
01:24:40.240i don't phrase i've never heard that phrase it bleeds it leads i think it's it the idea is
01:24:47.300the more catastrophic a story the more salacious the more dangerous the more people are going to
01:24:53.880want to buy the newspaper right yeah so so the headline yeah so you you write headlines to draw
01:25:00.780people in well you you usually use a little bit of hyperbole usually you choose a story that might
01:25:08.020not be the best representation of the day but it's going to sell your newspaper that day that's
01:25:12.900always been the case yeah that's that kind of capitalistic is it's always been the motivator
01:25:19.860what i'm saying i'm not saying that people aren't trying to censor it nowadays however
01:25:25.540i am saying that the internet and the advent of the internet and and this growing pain that
01:25:31.940we're going through right now is a better place for us to be in because 20 years ago
01:25:40.500if you would have had an individual like we have right now you couldn't even have had these
01:25:45.540discussions he would have been able to and as we've seen 50 years ago he would have been able
01:25:51.780to roll through a lot more of those issues like when you ban books go ahead ban a book
01:25:57.380from a high school student watch what they buy on the internet it's the quickest way to make
01:26:02.100them read i mean i don't know because there's safari and google and firefox and what other
01:26:09.380search engines you know i mean there's not a lot of search engines and they are and then the vpns
01:26:15.540and so there's there are more ways of blocking and just when you buy flights you know like if
01:26:21.300your vpn is california you're going to get my girlfriend on an airbnb we were looking at the
01:26:26.260same property and i'm like oh the airbnb tells me it's this amount the airbnb tells you it's that
01:26:30.820amount how interesting like you know there's just wait there's there's ways of monetizing everything
01:26:38.100it's exhausting um the fact you and your friend can have that conversation that's the power
01:26:44.820well we're observing it but yes it was an accident that we observed it but that we were on the
01:26:50.900telephone that wasn't some but i wouldn't be able to have this conversation with somebody in ghana i
01:26:55.380don't speak that language. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't
01:27:02.740have the ideas. I don't know. All I know is it feels so scary and so wrong right now. And I feel
01:27:09.720it's more polarizing than ever. And I also am really disappointed in Democrats because I feel
01:27:15.480like we're a bunch of spineless facts. And I just feel like change has got to come. Change has got
01:27:27.560to come. It's got to involve something more daring and more clever and more, I mean, dare I say this,
01:27:42.600but maybe it's just as corrupt. And people will say, well, you think the Democrats aren't corrupt?
01:27:49.320Of course. Of course there's corruption on both ends. Of course. But
01:27:53.060this is a whole other level of stuff. See, I think it just needs to be, I think
01:28:02.200the left needs to stop trying to be perfect in what they say and say what is right.
01:28:09.960Well, the virtue signaling alienated a lot of people.
01:28:33.380But that's why this pendulum, and it feels horrible.
01:28:37.920it really does feel horrible but sometimes things have to feel horrible for us to recognize
01:28:45.920that we have to stand up that we have to be off i'm worried nobody's gonna stand up
01:28:51.280you think nobody's i i don't think i we are at a point we're like who's gonna stand up to him
01:28:56.960like are you right now no and what you're doing the only thing we can do is during the midterms
01:29:04.560that are coming up in a couple of years. We'll have midterms, but there's no heir apparent
01:29:12.860in the Democratic Party for 2028 that'll go up against J.D. Vance. I don't know.
01:29:21.820I don't know. Short of a revolution, and what does that look like?
01:29:27.080listen i think two things number one elections aren't the only way that you evoke change
01:29:36.200number one number two um i don't think before obama there was an heir apparent
01:29:44.720and all of a sudden this individual rose in a time and in a space where we needed that person
01:29:52.560And again, everybody will say, you know, well, politicians aren't perfect. And he did. Yeah, I can talk about everybody's accolades and deficiencies. I can do that. But I believe, and I still think there already are those men and women in Congress right now, but I believe that one will rise.
01:30:14.640I think what we recognize right now is this. Politics and governance and the way that your
01:30:22.040community exists doesn't just happen from the top down. In fact, it happens more consistently
01:30:29.840from the bottom up. And if those 90 million people that chose not to vote, all of a sudden
01:30:37.140are at their congressman's office, are at their senator's office, are in local schools. And if
01:30:45.920it's not going to be in local schools, cool. You know what I'm doing? I'm putting books right
01:30:49.960outside at down the street of the local school. I'm going to put an RV there where I can sell
01:30:56.180books or I can give away books. I am going to create more. And I know this sounds frivolous
01:31:01.820as I'm sitting on a podcast, but it's not. 76% who watch long form podcasts went to the
01:31:08.560Republicans. Why? Because this is what we need to do. Because people like you who are intelligent,
01:31:13.980authentic, and have something powerful to say are going to get a podcast, are going to start
01:31:19.100having their voices heard. And just like we started at the beginning, I love it when a
01:31:23.440full circle moment happens and I don't even make it happen. At the beginning of this, you spoke
01:31:27.720about. How people, how you started doing something because you thought the community needed it,
01:31:34.540and you started serving a community in order to inspire, make them feel powerful, and make them
01:31:41.120feel heard. That's it. That's it. And that's what more people on our side of the fence need to start
01:31:49.760doing. We have to get louder because I truly believe there's far more people in this world
01:31:56.180who are intelligent, empathetic, and are driven by community and progress and good things than
01:32:02.060there are the opposite. We just need to learn how to divide and how to run through that power
01:32:11.440dynamic, just like you are. Just like other people are that are starting to take up those
01:32:19.640kind of um those kind of avenues of power that's where it exists that's where it's always existed
01:32:26.640right be the change that's why all of those incredible people start saying things like it
01:32:33.300starts with what you put into the world and the more that amazing people put things into the world
01:32:39.060the more that everything changes the more that you talk about financial literacy and just put
01:32:44.120it out there. The more we let go of that, any shame we have, the more that women stop having1.00
01:32:50.740other people, like other people, the less we realize how much more we have in common0.96
01:32:57.980than we think. There it is. I mean, that's really what I would hope to go is to kind of bridge that
01:33:04.380gap, you know, where I'm put on this pedestal where people think like I'm not relatable or
01:33:09.120my lifestyle isn't like, or, you know, it's so other than your own. Yes, I've had incredible
01:33:14.920experiences. I'm going to France next month, you know, and I'm getting to travel the world and all
01:33:19.820of those things. And that is a lot more than most. But I'm also, you know, more like you than you
01:33:29.520would realize, you know, more concerned about my healthcare than you would realize, more concerned
01:33:33.800about my son growing up in a world where, like, I hope we still have a planet. We're concerned
01:33:38.200about, you know, him getting the right education. What about my future daughter-in-law? What if she
01:33:43.860gets pregnant and then she has an ectopic pregnancy and then she can't get healthcare,1.00
01:33:47.860the healthcare that she needs, and she dies in a parking lot. Like, this fucking kills me. The idea1.00
01:33:52.540that this is what's happening in our country. And, you know, and then my grandchild doesn't
01:33:56.920have any books. Thank God I saved all of my son's books. You know, like, I have all these hardback
01:34:01.640books, children's books. I'm sentimental. I care about our future. I care about our planet. And
01:34:08.520I do. I'm just not that different. I just wish people would just realize that whatever my skin
01:34:18.560color is or whatever my sexual orientation is, we're all just humans trying to be loved and feel
01:34:26.880loved and feel seen and feel heard and cared about. And I don't want price of drugs to go up.
01:34:32.980I don't want Medicare and Medicaid to go away. The quality of life of my fellow Americans is
01:34:39.700important to me. My brother has diabetes. My grandfather had diabetes. I might develop it
01:34:46.920because my grandfather had it later in life. I don't have insurance right now. I have to cobra
01:34:52.560out $1,200 a month where I used to pay $545 a quarter for me and my son. And now because I lost
01:35:03.560my insurance, I have to Cobra and I'll only have it for 18 months unless I get a job soon.
01:35:08.720You know, $1,200 more a month, I have to add to my budget that I wasn't planning on having to do
01:35:13.780because I didn't get another job. Why am I not grandfathered in? I've made so much money for
01:35:20.440this union, you know, there's just, my problems are your problems. Yep. My issues are your issues.
01:35:29.060Yes, but nobody can understand that unless you're willing to do exactly what you're doing,
01:35:37.640which again is just so incredible. Unless you're willing to put it on blast, unless you're willing
01:35:43.500to take power over something like this kind of medium, which is powerful. And the more you do
01:35:52.860that, and the more we can all raise concerns and lower fear. I mean, those are two things we have
01:35:58.740to do. And we have to do carefully. You need to raise concern, let's say about unionization,
01:36:05.480job security, healthcare, raise concern. But we don't, we don't want to raise fear because when
01:36:12.360people are panicked they do dumb stuff so we want to raise concern but empower them enough to
01:36:19.000understand you don't have to fear it because here's how you can take control that is everything
01:36:26.440well we need thought leaders to talk about solutions i think there is less fear when
01:36:30.680there's an actual solution so it's not enough to pose the problem it's got to be what is the
01:36:35.880solution you know what is the answer what you know so often in my dms like well why don't you run for
01:36:41.640office. Why don't you run for office? Uh, mainly because, uh, I feel that when you're an actor,
01:36:50.700you're, you're not going to be taken seriously. You're not going to be, um, uh, listened to
01:36:57.880really. And I think also there are people with genuine knowledge in these areas that have,
01:37:05.680you know, a four-year degree. I don't have a four-year degree. I didn't graduate from college,
01:37:09.220And I think that it's not enough to care about people. You have to have actual solutions and
01:37:15.940be a thought leader in what we can do differently and give an option where you feel like people that
01:37:23.900didn't vote, the 90 million that didn't, there was no other option. There's nobody representing me.
01:37:29.560There's nobody that speaks to me on my values and also my wallet. That's the other thing about
01:37:36.480Americans. Well, it's not enough that he's a bad person because he's going to help my wallet. I'm
01:37:41.520really curious. How is he helping the wallet? Well, he's not. If you make under $330,000 a year,
01:37:53.260your taxes are going up. That's what's happening. I don't know what happened there. It's really at
01:38:01.440a point where you are so sold on, you know, hook, line, and sinker on this person that it's just,
01:38:08.720I mean, I watched the videos. It's, it's just, it's tribal. It's, it's culty. It's, it's, it's,
01:38:15.120it's to a point where there's no return. You're not going to under, you're, those people are gone.
01:38:20.220Like you're never going to change. You cannot change people's minds. I really, I really,
01:38:24.400I understand that more than ever. And I've spent so much time trying to change people's minds,
01:38:27.640even today when I'm having a disagreement with my son, I want to change his mind.1.00
01:38:32.120Fuck changing people's mind. Just speak the truth. And yes, I just, I don't know. I don't.1.00
01:38:39.680I think it's, it's truly about the 90 million that didn't vote, like giving it.
01:38:44.920Yeah. And I don't, I want to say this before, because I know that our time is running out.
01:38:51.360I want to say this. The idea that you, I don't know what you think you get a four-year degree
01:38:57.600in, that all of a sudden makes you more worthy and more intelligent to be able to sit in
01:39:05.580a congressman's seat or a senator's seat.
01:39:08.100But I'm telling you, there's no such education.
01:39:36.900Because, Charisma, just because you're not sitting in a third-year poli-sci class doesn't mean you wouldn't be the kind of person to surround yourself by some of the most intelligent people in whatever discipline you need to learn about.