Unlearn16: Class is in Session - February 06, 2024


The One Where Dean and I Address Political Elephants in the Room

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The One Where Liberty Dies with Thunderous Applause The One Where I Tell You Why Grandma Ruby Was 'My Person'

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00:00:00.000 class is in session hey everybody welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session guys we're here
00:00:09.720 with Dean Blundell again this morning now funnily enough we planned it for nine o'clock I said nine
00:00:15.180 is good he said absolutely I think the word he used was totes are you using that word in the
00:00:20.440 first place then I said cool I'll send you a link at 850 and then I send a link at 850 and I'm
00:00:25.800 waiting i'm waiting then i get an email separate email from dean saying cool we're doing this at
00:00:30.900 10 right welcome to me welcome to me but welcome to being my friend um it's always an adventure
00:00:38.060 when it comes to time yeah it was it was in the email stream where like just above it said
00:00:44.320 yeah once again welcome to me i like it i like it keep me on my toes you never was it i apologize
00:00:51.720 Joe I I was really looking forward to this and it was like so I don't know if you're like me
00:00:57.640 but I'm I'm old like I just turned I turned 51 actually in about a week um and so like I'm
00:01:04.980 starting to kind of morph into which is hilarious to me starting to morph into you know that guy
00:01:13.380 that can really appreciate a really good early bird dinner special at the Olive Garden dude I'm
00:01:19.400 already there i was right anna has us eating like at 4 30 5 o'clock every night does she really yeah
00:01:27.020 oh you're you're you're eating like seniors seniors home level uh time because i'm all i've
00:01:33.560 always been i go to you go to i teach or whatever i always get home at like 4 30 whatever and i'm
00:01:39.780 starving yeah so i'm not gonna like what persevere until six o'clock when it's normal time to eat
00:01:46.660 dinner no i'm gonna you know make zoodles at five o'clock and there we have it yeah you know what
00:01:53.540 it's funny because we get into that all the time here you know do you snack until you're
00:01:58.500 yeah till dinner like what's the because i yell at my kids all well don't yell because i'm not a
00:02:03.240 yeller but i'm like dude we're eating in like an hour and they'll be like yeah but i'm gonna have
00:02:07.040 this four pound cinnamon bun before we eat and i'm like to tide me over and i'm like well you
00:02:11.540 won't be hungry for dinner and guarantee you they're not and it's because they're like you
00:02:16.360 know 18 20 and 24 and i've seen your eating habits so when you say zoodles uh i'm like hey that could
00:02:22.780 be a snack or a meal for joe and no one knows right beside for those who aren't watching i have
00:02:27.780 beside me um a box of it's a great great pumpkin charlie brown family size vanilla flavored corn
00:02:36.460 pops oh my god i didn't even know they had those is that like a collector's edition thing or do you
00:02:41.040 plan on eating those to me somebody sent it to me from uh from the states are you a big cereal
00:02:46.920 person uh no not really oh like i like i don't eat a lot of cereal but anything that's like
00:02:53.260 kitschy like that like i want it you don't want it but you're not going to eat it right you're
00:02:58.140 not gonna no no see we're big cereal people here because we've got four meatheads that like like
00:03:03.000 to snack at like 11 o'clock at night and the easiest thing in the world is some cereal and
00:03:06.680 there is a collection of like fruity pebbles and count chocula and honeycomb count chocula right
00:03:15.400 now yeah of course we do everybody does waste i love because like i have a huge collection don't
00:03:21.720 take my don't take my my breakfast cereal inventory i have a huge collection of blueberry
00:03:26.580 count chocula frankenberry stuff did you ever see that tiktok yeah like i have shoes a t-shirt
00:03:32.120 like pez dispensers old cereal boxes i don't like the new ones stop messing with my history
00:03:36.940 but i when i when they re-released it i'm like i'm gonna i'll buy a box to keep and then i'm
00:03:42.960 going to eat one right like i'm gonna try it i'm like oh my god this is like the worst poison i
00:03:50.940 don't know what it was bad it's not good my go-to cereal would be like it's not like i like healthy
00:03:56.320 cereal don't be crazy but my go-to would probably be like captain crunch captain crunch cuts the
00:04:01.880 roof of my mouth listen i like look and is bringing me props right now these are my
00:04:07.020 count chocula crocs right you know i wished i was born with that gear that collecting gear
00:04:16.520 that one where it's like i like stuff from the 80s cartoons things like yeah like kitschy stuff
00:04:22.540 like that you've got fruity is that fruity pebbles that's frankenberry and then i have
00:04:28.980 because i have all of them and then i have boo berry i've never owned a pair of crocs before in
00:04:33.860 my life and then i dropped god knows how much money on all these what else you got i feel like
00:04:42.740 this is show and tell with joe i feel like i'm back in school because i'm with the teacher doing
00:04:47.540 show and tell but i'm not showing anything you're doing all the showing in the telly i feel like i
00:04:51.620 should bring that concept back to high school i don't see why you don't get to do that right i'd
00:04:57.140 be slightly afraid of what they'd show do they not do show and tell in your school anymore you're a
00:05:01.780 teacher you've been a teacher for a very long period of time well that's like a little kid
00:05:05.220 thing i've never done that a day in my life in high school but maybe i should do that do you know
00:05:10.020 how awesome that would be if you did show and tell with like high schoolers specifically high
00:05:13.700 schoolers with something to hide who feel like they could maybe come to school and go hey listen
00:05:17.380 i want to show you something and it's not good and what parents don't understand is your high
00:05:21.540 high school student will spill all of your tea. If you guys had a fight last night, they're
00:05:28.900 telling me about it. If they think you had too much to drink, they're telling the whole class
00:05:33.600 about it. If dad bought a car and mom didn't approve, everybody knows what car you bought
00:05:39.300 and how much you spent. There are no secrets in your home that there's, okay, outside of the
00:05:46.920 really bad ones, let's not, everybody's going to be like, Joanna, you have no idea what kids go,
00:05:50.920 listen I'm just being funny right now in a healthy environment of a home life there are no secrets
00:05:58.460 they tell on everything just like they tell on each other constantly so it's a great point um
00:06:05.680 and a good place to jump off uh because you as an educator obviously um watch and with bated breath
00:06:12.740 as to you know the re-education of what's going on in Alberta and uh this week in Alberta they
00:06:18.960 decided they were going to enact some policy and some law that basically says we're going to remove
00:06:24.480 rights from every trans child we're going to remove decisions and options from trans children
00:06:28.880 and their parents and we're going to get involved and insert ourselves in the process for every
00:06:32.880 trans non-binary lgbtq student who might have some gender uh dysmorphia or some body issues and uh
00:06:42.480 might be asking some questions we think they're too young she said we think that their minds are
00:06:46.800 mush we think it's a phase that was a really heavily edited version of what i'm trying to
00:06:52.200 explain to people but that was really what kind of came out of what what danielle smith said
00:06:55.820 i think she tried to the only things you're missing are all the time she you know just
00:07:02.340 pontificated about how much she loves kids and thinks kids are important and she needs to
00:07:06.560 protect them like that was all the filler but the meat was exactly what you said she doesn't think
00:07:12.220 now it's interesting i tagged you in a in a video on twitter um that said from 2014 right yeah
00:07:21.780 talking about lgbtq plus issues how kids know their identities we have to support and it was
00:07:28.860 virtually the opposite now in that video in all fairness because people will be like well they're
00:07:34.000 not talking about surgery joanna okay but they were definitely talking about who they were dating
00:07:40.840 and they were talking about what names they felt comfortable with.
00:07:44.480 And there's a whole bunch of things that she protected, you know, 10 years ago.
00:07:49.940 Now, some people would say, yeah, well, she got smarter now 1.00
00:07:52.840 because back then she was just the idiot who didn't know about 1.00
00:07:56.800 how much teachers were trying to manipulate, coerce, and indoctrinate kids. 1.00
00:08:06.220 Look, first of all, I think it's going to get stopped by the Supreme Court.
00:08:10.840 number one. I really do. But there's interesting caveats to all of it. Number one, from what I
00:08:19.640 understand, under 18 years old, surgeries are rarely, rarely, if ever happening. Actually,
00:08:27.060 it's law in Canada that you have to be 18. Correct. Yeah. That's a federal law that it 1.00
00:08:32.940 covers. Yeah. And it has to come with, and keep in mind, I mean, I've had a friend who's
00:08:38.940 transition. Zoe used to be named Zach is now Zoe. He's a truck driver. She's a truck driver,
00:08:43.660 happier than she's ever been. And she had to go through in the age of, I think it was like 31,
00:08:48.320 32, had to go through mandatory counseling on top of being over the age of 18 for like two years.
00:08:53.300 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's all of these huge, there's already all these existent
00:08:58.580 laws and, and very big, um, hurdles to jump over in order to go through that process. So first of
00:09:08.320 all she's really reasserting stuff that already existed under the auspice that it's new under
00:09:15.800 the auspice that she's the only person that's protecting you know the mushy brains of our youth
00:09:22.940 even though you know 10 years earlier she said they were brilliant they already knew and sexuality
00:09:27.480 is genetic and predetermined yada yada yeah she also said they needed to be in that speech for
00:09:32.320 2014 needed to be protected if kids are old enough to emancipate themselves from their parents they're
00:09:37.140 old enough to make those decisions, blah, blah, blah. If you're 16 years old, you can emancipate
00:09:40.940 yourself from your parents. If you're 16 years old, you can do that. You have to be allowed to
00:09:47.420 make every other adult decision that you need to make. There's so many problems with all of this.
00:09:53.600 Because as a teacher, I get very overwhelmingly angry at the thought that anybody is spreading
00:10:04.020 the idea that any teacher is sitting in a quiet room with a kid talking about how they should
00:10:11.060 transition, how this is a better way of living, whatever it is she thinks that teachers are doing.
00:10:16.780 And we're hiding, we're seditiously hiding all of this stuff from their parents. 1.00
00:10:22.200 It is an utter crock of garbage. As soon as all of this started coming out, I started asking all 0.99
00:10:29.660 my teacher friends. I'm like, guys, have you ever been asked by a student, listen, I want you to
00:10:34.280 call me, you know, by a different pronoun, but don't tell my mom or don't you dare tell my parent
00:10:40.100 because, you know, something bad will happen. And I have yet to get to a teacher said, oh yeah,
00:10:45.800 that happened to me last week. How long have you been teaching? 21 years. You've never had a student
00:10:51.320 come to you, talk to you about their gender identification and say, listen, I need to
00:10:56.440 transition and i need to do it now and you've um you've never so what you're saying is you've never
00:11:02.100 actually tried to co-convince you haven't seen a child try to be convinced by a teacher that hey
00:11:08.740 listen you should open up your mind because this is the narrative right this is what they're hiding
00:11:12.100 behind this is the blunt object and instrument it's to vilify teachers as groomers tell you the
00:11:17.360 teachers are giving these kids options to be what they are not born into which is whatever body that
00:11:22.020 they happen to identify in at that time and so the vilification process is just mandatory in that
00:11:27.360 in my opinion and it's mandatory to say all teachers are doing this but you're saying you
00:11:31.480 have never ever ever and you've never seen a teacher you've never heard a teacher you've
00:11:35.820 never canvassed a teacher you've been teaching for two decades you've never seen anybody go hey
00:11:39.760 listen it's grooming time yeah sure i'm gonna i'm gonna sit you in a no like and i've had have i had
00:11:45.800 kids that have come up to me questioning their um it's so funny everybody thinks because i'm the
00:11:51.860 gay teacher um that all of these kids who would question that they i'd be their go-to here's the
00:11:58.860 funny part i am their last go-to why because i'm too for somebody who's for somebody who's out
00:12:07.200 sure for somebody who's questioning for somebody who's uncomfortable who's somebody who hasn't
00:12:12.300 quite decided you know what they're comfortable telling people they won't i i'm not their go-to
00:12:19.620 i'm too much on the nose for it do you understand yeah the kids that are that are figuring it out
00:12:28.100 um i'm not now i'm not saying never i'm just saying on average kids have come to me and talked
00:12:35.860 about their identities we have included parents in that conversation we've helped parents as a school
00:12:43.220 sort of connect with the actual community that they need to go talk to whether it's um you know
00:12:52.180 psychological help um we don't actually connect with any other doctor other than well we can help
00:12:57.940 connect your family to a therapist so you guys can go have these important conversations because also
00:13:03.780 just because i'm gay and i have a short haircut sure as hell does not make me an expert on trans
00:13:11.140 issues everybody thinks i'm like guys i love it i love how they think you're go-to because you're
00:13:19.380 gay they're like hey listen she's gay so she'll know all about all the things to do that live 0.93
00:13:24.900 around the circle of gays like she'll know like it's it's ridiculous funnily enough you know who 0.98
00:13:30.820 has more of a of a sort of expertise my mom worked at wellesley hospital in the 80s when they first 0.99
00:13:38.660 started doing um transsexual operations transgender operations uh way back in the 80s and my mom was
00:13:47.060 working on plastics when that was happening so like my mom has a lot of very interesting
00:13:54.740 perspectives on it now you got to know in the 80s these surgeries and the hormone therapies and all
00:13:59.780 of that stuff wasn't near as advanced and um precise targeted yeah right so you know my mom
00:14:10.900 but but that's the person i don't know people are like what about the hormone therapy
00:14:17.380 and you know who else doesn't know danielle smith and this is what pisses me off
00:14:22.740 our medical community our psychological and child development and psychiatric community
00:14:29.620 our trans community. Those are friends and family who are going through that struggle.
00:14:37.420 Those are the freaking experts. And I feel as though politicians who want to use this
00:14:44.000 have discounted the mountains of experts in favor of Tucker Carlson and Jordan Peterson
00:14:51.580 and three medical people that they happen to find that are on the verge of getting
00:14:56.160 kicked out of the college that's who they're using you know and I and it's so incredibly
00:15:02.940 frustrating because when people you know what do you think Joanne I'll tell you what I think I
00:15:06.860 think nothing because I am not as I I think what the what those communities I have just stipulated
00:15:14.940 I think what they think because what the hell is it of my business my lack of expertise my lack of
00:15:22.820 experience to dictate any of it. That would be like me dictating what kind of, what level of
00:15:31.120 SSRIs people need who are going through depressive states or, or what level of chemo should people
00:15:38.440 get? Telling your doctor how to do your appendectomy. Are you okay? Like it's absolutely
00:15:44.560 asinine, absolutely asinine because the more that we do this with parents, by the way, this, 0.92
00:15:51.660 What she's talking about aren't parents' rights. She's hilariously enough minimizing. She's taking away parental rights when it comes to their trans kids. Forget parent rights. She's actually obliterating children rights. 1.00
00:16:06.560 She's abolished individual basic human medical rights for any child who identifies as anything other than straight until they're 18 years old. And she's also at the same time removed or plans on removing the rights of those parents to inform consent to any type of therapeutic, any type of understanding, any type of medical procedure, any kind of professional help that that child needs. 0.94
00:16:33.400 they've removed that right of that parent to decide on that course of action as well.
00:16:37.700 Let's talk about nicknames and pronouns first and foremost. Surgery and hormones gets into a world
00:16:46.660 of sometimes permanence if it's surgical. You can argue about hormones and all of that. By the way,
00:16:52.480 all of that requires parental consent. Let's move all that here because, by the way, there's a lot
00:16:57.220 of a lot of kids over 14 years old that are allowed to determine their own medical health
00:17:03.000 choices. For example, if you have a parent that believes in a religion that says you don't get
00:17:08.020 blood transfusions, as somebody older than 14, you're allowed to now start advocating for yourself
00:17:15.740 and saying, whatever they believe, that's cool. If I get into a car accident and I can't get a
00:17:23.000 blood transfusion based on their religious belief? I'm not into that anymore. Are we not protecting
00:17:28.420 those kids? Of course we are. Of course we are. So kids are allowed to make medical decisions and
00:17:34.720 you're starting to see them being able to make more. Or what about the parent who says, I don't
00:17:38.340 believe in cancer treatment. You're just going to have to manifest something different. That's how
00:17:45.160 this works in our family. Well, again, you have parents now overriding medical communities and
00:17:53.800 what their 14 and 15-year-olds are actually wanting to do for the health of themselves
00:17:59.660 into some big problems. What happens when parents are divorced and dad doesn't agree with mom or
00:18:05.400 mom and mom or dad? Now what? Do we flip a coin? Does the judge just go, oh, well, we'll see?
00:18:11.580 no what the judge will do is they'll listen to the parent and then shockingly they'll listen
00:18:18.040 to the experts within the medical community and whichever one lines up that's the parent that's
00:18:23.480 getting priority now with pronouns and nicknames for the love of god can you imagine all the
00:18:31.380 paperwork about oh sorry i had this person wants to be called so my name's joanna and i say oh
00:18:36.380 just call me Joe I need a consent form are you okay yeah yeah that that's the part that I love
00:18:42.720 that you think that uh it's not okay as well and I know you would think it was not okay but it has
00:18:47.080 a very real life perspective which you just touched on which is anybody who wants a nickname
00:18:51.160 you know and that like let's say let's say your your nickname is Elizabeth you want to go by Beth
00:18:56.600 yeah or let's say your friends call you and it's a cute little nickname they call you muffin
00:19:01.580 or pudding and you're like you know what I prefer you just call me pudding or muffin or precious
00:19:05.540 whatever it is that you like going by because your parents called you that your friends called
00:19:08.640 you that your whole time in alberta you're gonna have to get a whole bunch of paperwork signed by
00:19:12.700 your parents so that you can have someone call you by a different name i am no genius but i can
00:19:18.840 tell you this that the premier of that province just so you know danielle smith who we're talking
00:19:24.620 about who's enacting this legislation it is not a real name either it's marlena kolodnicki
00:19:29.800 which is hysterical why do you know why she changed that i mean i realized that was true 0.99
00:19:35.240 Embarrassment. 0.96
00:19:36.560 I think it's embarrassment.
00:19:37.820 I think there's two things.
00:19:38.800 I think she had a name that was hard to say, I think, in radio because she did a little bit of radio for a little while.
00:19:44.080 But she's always gone by Danielle Smith.
00:19:45.900 She's always, you know, and it was a name that she changed when she was young.
00:19:49.160 Same with Pierre Polyev.
00:19:50.280 Same thing.
00:19:50.800 It's really it's Jeff.
00:19:51.580 I mean, you know, it's it's and and and if we're talking about using fake names and having permission to do that and you're now telling people under the age and not fake, it's what you identify as what you want.
00:20:04.340 want to be called it's not these people are using fake names they're bogeying the system these other
00:20:08.500 people want to use these names uh because this is who they want to be this is how they want to live
00:20:14.280 whether you decide you're going to change your style your name it's a choice and you get to
00:20:18.500 decide on that that is your own autonomy to be called whatever you want it's like body autonomy
00:20:22.860 it's the same thing with name autonomy you could do and come and go as you please and the reason
00:20:27.140 why the institution in alberta has an issue with this is because that institution is heavily bugged
00:20:31.440 with overtly religious extremists on some parts of municipal politics, provincial politics.
00:20:38.480 There's no question.
00:20:40.140 Danielle Smith, and this is an interesting concept too,
00:20:43.700 and then I want to go back to pronouns for a second because I think it's super important
00:20:46.900 because a lot of people are talking about the permanency of hormone therapy
00:20:50.200 or the permanency of surgery.
00:20:51.820 There's no permanency in choosing a pronoun and a nickname.
00:20:55.360 So I'm going to go back to that in a second
00:20:56.840 because controlling something that is impermanent,
00:20:59.740 You lose the argument there. But if we're going to talk about elected officials, this is a really big problem or interesting dynamic within all democratic forms of elected officials representing their constituents because in a democracy, you are supposed to represent who has elected you.
00:21:22.960 And that, let's be honest, Alberta, pull it together, because that's what Danielle Smith is doing. Danielle Smith is representing her constituents. Here's my problem. We live in a world, in a democratic situation where voting isn't your only democratic right and responsibility, where the majority of what people want gets to be enacted unless, and this is the caveat everybody ignores,
00:21:46.440 It discriminatorily affects a minority population 0.65
00:21:53.660 You are not allowed to abuse your power as a majority 0.72
00:21:57.120 To enslave, oppress, and control the minority 0.85
00:22:01.840 That's the reason slavery can't exist
00:22:04.800 That's the reason you can't use your power to say
00:22:07.940 Everybody that wears purple, we are now paying less than a minimum wage
00:22:12.680 Well, Joanna, the majority said they wanted it
00:22:14.980 So our elected officials have to walk a fine line and they have to be able to tell their constituents, when you ask me to use the powers of this office to oppress, I will not do it because you're overstepping what democracy is.
00:22:31.880 in fact, you're voting to undo democracy when you do that. And there needs to be lines. Now,
00:22:40.640 the Supreme Court's going to slap her on the head, I guarantee you on this one. And she maybe will 1.00
00:22:46.680 use the notwithstanding clause. It's going to be a fantastic time in Albertan politics.
00:22:52.000 But going back to pronouns, here's why it makes me uncomfortable. Everybody's like,
00:22:58.600 look, surgery is permanent, hormones are permanent. I believe that's very, very true.
00:23:03.600 And I believe that individuals are going to talk to their psychologists, their doctors,
00:23:09.980 their endocrinologists. There's a lineup of people, those the trans community have to go through
00:23:15.620 and go with in order to make any sort of change like that. And if they're underage, 0.99
00:23:21.660 then they're also their parents. Pronouns aren't that. Pronouns aren't that, right?
00:23:28.220 Pronouns are just pronouns. You can call me he today. By the way, so many people do. People
00:23:34.620 call me he all the time. You can call me they, them. It doesn't matter. You want to know what?
00:23:40.300 Tomorrow I can change it. There's zero permanency there. There's zero permanency with a nickname.
00:23:46.340 And so here's my question. If a parent thinks it's their job to be able to control every aspect of their kid's life when they're at school, what about the parents that say, oh, I don't want my kid playing with that kid because of their religion?
00:24:01.500 i don't want my kid sitting next to that kid because of their race because of who their
00:24:07.240 family is are we supposed to listen isn't that a parent if you've widened parental rights to that
00:24:13.800 level isn't that what you've widened it to yes am i supposed to call home if if your kid
00:24:21.000 is holding hands in the hallway with somebody of the same sex because that's where we are right now
00:24:27.120 that's where we are and it's not just kids i mean if you want to talk about oppressing people
00:24:33.400 because of decisions that they make based on how they feel and what they want in their lives right
00:24:38.220 you're talking about hey and we talked about this in the podcast the other day um let's say your
00:24:43.660 doctor notices that you start using viagra um and he knows that you're married and he calls your
00:24:49.600 wife and he's like hey just wanted to let you know your husband is using viagra there's i don't know
00:24:55.620 if it's you i don't know if it's you ma'am but you might want to ask him about all this viagra use
00:25:00.000 um it doesn't matter whatever the situation is when it comes to your private medical history
00:25:05.440 when it comes to what you want for yourself your body um whether it's ideologically based whether
00:25:11.580 it is based in physiology whether it's based in the decision that you make because this is just
00:25:16.980 how you want to identify those rights are effectively in alberta those rights are effectively
00:25:21.580 gone and and i think when it comes to the pronoun issue which you point out is she wants to remove
00:25:28.560 those rights because she said quote and this is in her speech those are adult decisions you know
00:25:34.120 after she told them everybody they loved them just winked and she's like oh you're just a phase
00:25:37.760 those are adult decisions and you shouldn't have to make irreversible adult decisions before you're
00:25:42.860 an adult so we want to give you lots of runway that's kind of how she said it to your point
00:25:46.900 pronouns are definitely not permanent. Whatever name you choose to go by one day,
00:25:52.880 you can choose to go by a different name the other day. So if you're going to put all of this
00:25:57.140 into a bowl and you're going to call that bowl of soup, it's just hateful soup. And it bears out
00:26:02.780 with the hypocrisy in what she's trying to accomplish because these adult decisions are
00:26:08.480 not permanent. In a lot of the cases that she cited as her need to make sure that she keeps
00:26:13.460 kids safe. This isn't about safety. This was never about safety. This is about super serving
00:26:17.780 a religious demographic with insider party that wants this. And so to do that, they had to paint
00:26:23.500 everybody that teaches as a groomer. They had to paint everybody who teaches as the problem.
00:26:30.080 And I've seen it tons and tons of times where they're like, hey, listen, everybody,
00:26:34.720 we're not going to allow any teacher to teach their hands on our kids. They will never get
00:26:39.340 their hands on our kids. That's the new thing. And it's, and it's a real grassroots sort of
00:26:43.760 narrative. And so what I wanted to do is I wanted to ask you a question because I don't know what
00:26:47.760 the process is like, right? Because out there, there's this boogeyman of a process. Some people
00:26:53.480 believe who are hard right, uh, and might identify with, um, the need to not allow trans kids to be
00:27:00.080 kids and the need that they think religious or otherwise to remove the rights of children who
00:27:04.280 identify as not straight in any capacity so my question to you is this what is that process like
00:27:10.920 now because that tells me a different story than the one that's being told by the david parkers
00:27:16.600 and all the trolls out there who you know when you stand up for the trans rights children and
00:27:21.100 you stand up for the individual rights of kids they automatically go straight to scalpel and 0.98
00:27:26.520 graphic you want to cut this off you you just don't love children you want to see them mutilated
00:27:31.460 What is that process like? Like walk me through what it's like when a student comes to you and they're like, here's how I identify. Here's what I want to do with my life. And because it's not like, okay, here's a pamphlet, call the hospital and you're up in like three hours for a sexual reassignment surgery.
00:27:49.700 No, the funny thing is, you're asking me for a process, again, that I am not involved with, right?
00:27:56.460 Like, I have never gone through that.
00:27:58.480 But on a statutory level, yeah, on a statutory level, what is that process supposed to be like when you go for, like, you know, professional training as a teacher where they're like, okay, these are the things that you need to do, you need to.
00:28:08.200 And that's not, here's the funny part.
00:28:10.600 Teachers don't have any training on that level because it is not in my, I don't talk about it.
00:28:19.700 it's, that's like me getting trained. So this isn't even an issue. This isn't an issue in
00:28:24.500 school. Like you guys, you're not, you're, you're just told to like, Hey, just make sure you're
00:28:28.300 nice to the kid. Don't give out the secrets. Like what is the, if a kid comes to with you with any
00:28:32.700 sort of big life issue, your first, your first thing is to contact and involve parents. Yes.
00:28:39.960 That's it. If they're afraid of the parent, if there's a, if the issue is fear and violence,
00:28:47.460 your first thing is a duty to report to the authorities that exist in order to go investigate
00:28:54.540 it. Now, that's the scariest thing a teacher ever has to do, by the way. Especially, I work
00:29:00.640 in a private school. It's very different, right? The scariest thing in the world for me is knowing
00:29:05.780 something's going on. A kid has come to me and said, A, B, or C is happening at home, or I think
00:29:11.480 it's going to happen. And I have a duty report, which I always tell my students I do. And then
00:29:19.660 when you make that call, here's the most terrifying moment. The most terrifying moment is now I've
00:29:24.900 made that call. The choices about what's going to happen next all make me want to throw up because
00:29:34.060 kids can take it back, even if it's true, because they don't want to leave their homes.
00:29:39.240 and now if it's if they go into that home and a parent knows that they've been you know the
00:29:49.440 child protective services have come in their home do we think the the threat of violence and harm
00:29:56.420 escalates or de-escalates escalates right so now this kid is in a worst possible scenario
00:30:04.420 since I work at a private school, there's also a really good chance they're not coming ever again
00:30:11.360 to that school. Oh no, well now they're on it, right? So I'm pulling my kid out of that.
00:30:18.480 So as a teacher, you're trying to figure out how do I best protect the kid, period. But don't get
00:30:26.380 me wrong, I don't ever want to be responsible or I don't want to be put in a position where I have
00:30:34.180 be responsible against a violent or an abusive parent it's the worst possible scenario for me
00:30:44.180 because i have zero control and i know it's going to get worse before it gets better it's awful
00:30:50.420 so let me tell you and be super crystal clear a kid comes in with a problem my first instinct and
00:30:57.380 my first conversation with that kid unless it's including like you know other people in the school
00:31:02.420 well, we got to get your mom in here.
00:31:05.380 We got to get your dad in here, first and foremost.
00:31:08.220 And what if they say no?
00:31:09.180 What if they say no because I can't trust them
00:31:10.820 because there's some stuff going on at home I can't talk about?
00:31:13.580 Well, then you have a duty to report.
00:31:15.700 And then that duty report comes with the anxiety of knowing
00:31:18.380 I'm going to trigger the parents.
00:31:19.700 I'm going to trigger an investigation.
00:31:21.080 I'm going to have to go through this.
00:31:22.220 And then, of course, that's when other options that are out of your control
00:31:24.780 come to your fence as well, right?
00:31:27.320 Like the kid can say, hey, listen, I'm not interested in doing this.
00:31:30.340 I just want things to go back to the way they were.
00:31:31.840 I'm really stressed and anxious because I've really upset my mom and dad and I've incurred the wrath of my parents, maybe one or two or both or none are abusive, who knows. And that is what I'm getting at.
00:31:43.160 If Danielle Smith was really fixated on protecting kids, which I think, and empowering, forget protecting, let's talk about empowering kids to have a voice, to be able to, if they do have a voice and they say what needs to be said, there's a million people behind them ready to protect them as they need protecting.
00:32:09.240 that's not what she's talking about at all she is talking about empowering not kids
00:32:17.080 not student voices she is talking about empowering parents to control and limit because i'm going to
00:32:24.360 tell you this also i have had obviously kids at my school who are who are trans who are lgbtq plus
00:32:31.240 all of those things. And their parents, because good parents, healthy relationships,
00:32:40.560 ones without abuse, they already know. Because they're close to them. They talk to them.
00:32:47.780 I'm not the go-to. Exactly. They already know. And they might not already know in a I've declared
00:32:53.380 it kind of way, but they already know in a I'm close with my kid. I talk to them all the time.
00:32:59.540 I'm very much involved in their lives. I see it. Right. And so this notion that somehow I would want to put a kid on a path that isn't who they are is the most asinine and purposefully painful.
00:33:19.240 Like, can you imagine being, and I can only imagine because I am not trans. 0.68
00:33:26.260 Again, I still relate that.
00:33:28.580 Can you imagine the reality of being a trans person and the pain that you have to go through
00:33:35.960 and the becoming self-aware and having to go through all of the medical and psychological
00:33:42.400 and family and school hoops to go to where you need to be
00:33:48.000 so that you can be who you've always been.
00:33:51.040 How on God's green earth would I ever want to convince anybody
00:33:56.020 to go down that road ever if that's not who they were?
00:34:03.480 It's sheer anxiety.
00:34:07.240 I mean, you're talking about something that is so... 0.97
00:34:12.400 intense so personal so graphic so irreversible like in the case of zoe zoe's a truck driver
00:34:19.020 zoe used to be named chris and we interviewed zoe i would say three years ago and still talk
00:34:27.860 to zoe all the time she's awesome and uh they contacted me after a podcast where you know i
00:34:33.840 think the the trans issue i think it was during dave chapelle's first go around liking the trans
00:34:38.580 folks and um and she contacted me and she's like hey if you ever want someone on the podcast to
00:34:44.240 talk about it I'd love to talk about it and I'm like yeah sure let's come on um so she sat and
00:34:48.940 explained to us in detail in in in extreme detail what this person had to do what she had to do
00:34:58.780 to avoid ending her life and I have never like you talk about going through medical procedures
00:35:08.960 to save your life it's the same thing it's chemo radiation all these things if you have cancer that
00:35:16.700 you go through you submit yourself to that are horrific that are painful that come with
00:35:20.420 growing pains that come with stretching that come with scalpels that come with
00:35:25.020 uh just this intense procedure which lasts it's not just the surgery it lasts forever when you're
00:35:30.600 trying to rehab and get your body into a place where you feel comfortable and i and i remember
00:35:35.740 talking to zoe and she was saying she was telling me about the experience as she was lying in a
00:35:42.160 hospital bed post-op and realizing what she had done because that was that moment for her right
00:35:47.580 it was like okay it's over i've done this there's no going back now nobody talks about the aftermath
00:35:52.980 well they're starting to they are and and zoe um and i'll save you the graphic nature of what this
00:36:00.180 person has to do now to maintain their new gender identity yeah that was the greatest
00:36:07.220 eye-opener for me where it was like this person was gonna choose death this is the hill 0.98
00:36:12.820 they're then chose and didn't show and didn't choose death which would have been the easy way
00:36:18.580 out for a lot of people they chose the hard way they chose the the the medically near near death
00:36:26.660 experience they chose pain and suffering they chose rehabilitation and therapeutics which lasted for
00:36:32.740 years and i couldn't last their whole life right well just the the rehabilitation so and and when
00:36:39.300 someone says to me why do you why do you provide allyship for that group they don't say it like
00:36:45.700 that by the way they don't say it like that i'm like because that's courage to me that's like
00:36:50.180 that is that is that is power that is courage that is desperation that is a moment that that
00:36:55.540 we all need to look at and go man that person has something i do not i could learn from that human
00:37:01.380 being right that's why i feel the way i do and i i i get so incredibly um you know angered and
00:37:12.020 frustrated when they're weaponized but of course they are because earlier you said it's the alt
00:37:17.220 right here's the thing i don't think it is i mean it is leading it of course because they want to
00:37:23.300 figure out how to weaponize but what they're doing is and we've talked about this before but they're
00:37:31.540 they're banking on or they're they're utilizing a parent's primary fear for the safety and
00:37:41.140 emotional stability and health of their child like i've listen i've watched enough of my friends
00:37:50.500 parent i've been a teacher for a very long time you you will never see more stress in a parent's
00:37:55.540 eye than when their kid is doing something terrifying and they don't know how to stop it
00:37:59.540 they don't know how to control it and they're gonna do it and they're all they want to know
00:38:04.020 is that their kid is going to be okay and you don't know how to mitigate that for them um
00:38:11.140 And so they're weaponizing this culture, this aspect, by the way, that affects, like, I don't even know what percentage of people.
00:38:21.880 Yeah, let me give you that ratio.
00:38:23.920 Alberta, there's about 12,300 people who they know identify as trans or non-binary.
00:38:29.700 Of that 12,300, you're looking at between 2,500 to 3,000 people under the age of 18.
00:38:35.940 That's a province of four and a half million people.
00:38:38.160 Okay.
00:38:38.600 So maybe 2,000 to 3,000 people.
00:38:41.140 when we're talking about but but also all of those all of those individuals aren't looking
00:38:45.800 for surgical no results either no no you'll like like two one in five apparently out of that out
00:38:52.560 of out of the two to three thousand so you're looking at uh one in five you're looking at
00:38:56.720 maybe six seven hundred people okay so when they're talking about they're taking this and
00:39:02.600 they're saying there there are people out there who are convincing your kids to go down this
00:39:08.100 horrible, horrible road. I don't, I, for the life of me, I laugh. Like the purpose of this convincing
00:39:14.760 is for who's, who's benefit, but nonetheless, and they're weaponizing that and they're capitalizing
00:39:21.860 on the fact that there's a lot of very real fears. And the thing that is very hard with all teens
00:39:29.680 is actually consistently having dialogue, consistently having a relationship with your
00:39:35.800 kids as a parent. Want to know why? Because teenagers don't care. They don't care about
00:39:40.540 their parents so much at that time. And PS, they could give a crap about me. What they care about 0.99
00:39:47.260 are their friends and access points of peers now on this 20-year-old amazing technological
00:39:55.560 advancement called the internet. If you want to know what you're, this is it. This is what you're
00:40:01.400 You're competing with all of their peer group because the point of psychological or sociological
00:40:08.120 development at that age is to differentiate, is to individuate from their parent to become
00:40:13.940 their own unique person. That's why teenagers don't care what we have to say anymore.
00:40:20.120 And so you are now saying, but the teachers have all this power to control and manipulate.
00:40:26.920 and you're just trying to point the finger so that the government can step in and say,
00:40:31.740 don't worry, we'll save you from it. When in actuality, that's not where the power source
00:40:38.020 lies. They have absolutely no control. They are creating a boogeyman to pretend to solve your
00:40:44.360 problem, to protect your kid, to get your vote. And none of that is happening. None of that is
00:40:49.700 actually having an effect. And so I don't think it's just the alt-right sitting at home saying,
00:40:55.060 I hate gay people. I think it's a lot of, look, middle class, middle educated, maybe a little bit 0.97
00:41:05.700 more isolated communities that don't have a lot of experiential, you know, relationships with many
00:41:13.080 different diverse communities. And somebody's in their ear saying, this is what you should be afraid
00:41:19.140 of your kids are at risk and i'm telling you it's the easiest panic button to press because your 0.95
00:41:25.780 kids are involved sure yeah and you just keep maniacally pressing it uh whipping up ridiculous
00:41:34.020 levels of fear pointing a finger to somebody that they're going to exterminate and i use that word 0.97
00:41:40.740 precisely because this is garbage that's been used time and time again by many different people 0.94
00:41:46.180 specifically in 1933 Germany um you point a finger and you say it's them they're the ones 0.99
00:41:52.420 destroying your world they're the ones controlling your kids those are the people that are making your 0.90
00:41:56.560 life miserable those are the people that's the reason that you can't be politically incorrect
00:42:00.140 if you want to those are the people that are telling you what to think and feel those are
00:42:03.640 the people that are taking your jobs your mortgages those are the people yeah and I'm going to as a
00:42:09.000 common enemy I got you I got your back I'm going without me you're going to lose to those people
00:42:14.800 Exactly. And then you invite Tucker Carlson and Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson to speak to the masses because he speaks like he has zero education whatsoever. And that maniacal laugh. I don't understand how nobody has really done a deep dive on his psychological stability.
00:42:33.480 And then you have Jordan Peterson stepping in with all of his very large words pontificating about these, you know, psychological phenomenons that are going in and how he sees them as being, they're trying to control, hilariously enough, the government's trying to control you by making you use preferred pronouns.
00:42:57.120 And yet he supports Danielle Smith, who is making you used not the individual's preferred pronoun.
00:43:05.160 Danielle Smith is using her governmental power to ensure that everybody uses the parent of the kid's preferred pronoun. 1.00
00:43:18.420 What the parent prefers.
00:43:20.320 Why the hell doesn't Jordan Peterson have a problem with that?
00:43:23.700 And on that, we have to cut it.
00:43:25.280 I'm sorry, we're at 45 minutes.
00:43:26.600 We're going to go to the Dean Blundell Show.
00:43:30.780 This has been Unlearned 16 with Jo.
00:43:32.680 She's featured me today and educated me,
00:43:34.840 and then we're going to go over to my podcast and finish this conversation
00:43:37.140 because we're not done.
00:43:38.020 We ain't done.
00:43:38.960 Give me your name of your podcast real quick,
00:43:40.660 and then I'm going to cut you.
00:43:41.940 Dean Blundell Show.
00:43:43.040 We'll see you there shortly.
00:43:45.260 See you guys next Tuesday.
00:43:46.420 Same bat time, same bat station, but come see Dean first, part two.
00:43:50.220 Here we go. 0.96
00:43:51.640 Dismissed.