Unlearn16: Class is in Session - The One Where Gremlins Beat Perimenopause

00:00:00.000 class is in session hey everybody and welcome to unlearn 16 class is in session guys today i went

00:00:09.980 over the pond i love that expression i should use that more in my daily life and we went all the way

00:00:15.900 to kate menopause now kate did you purposefully change your last name when you got on tiktok

00:00:22.280 because you're going to talk about all these like is it a legal thing uh no not yet but i think i

00:00:26.980 won't do actually now you come to mention it why not once you wait once you put your stamp on that

00:00:34.880 it is you're good to go now we're talking a little bit before we jump into it i don't know

00:00:40.460 if anybody can guess uh what kate's going to talk about but you know put the comments in

00:00:44.560 um once we get into it as we were talking just a little bit in the pre-taping here uh we found out

00:00:50.500 that kate you're from yorkshire and my whole family's like 25 minutes down the street which

00:00:55.760 i know such a coincidence right it's such a coincidence it's hilarious what's the weather

00:01:02.500 like there right now it's actually gorgeous no i'm not even joking i know it shouldn't be because

00:01:09.260 it's yorkshire and it should be raining but we've had a beautiful few days absolutely barmy gorgeous

00:01:14.340 because you can't please english people because if it's 26 we're like oh man it's too hot i can't

00:01:18.960 cope with this and if it's raining then we complain about the rain but no beautiful few days you know

00:01:24.200 up but that's what makes us funny that's why we're funny i know that's some of the sarcasm and humor

00:01:29.640 on the planet is coming out of there and it all starts with a general malaise and and annoyance

00:01:36.700 with what's going on in the day go for it absolutely but you have really good pork rinds

00:01:43.440 okay um did you send me some yeah yeah done you gotta you gotta you gotta sneak them in like the

00:01:53.580 you know the pork scratch you get from the pub yeah yeah yeah the ones you pull off the thing

00:01:58.060 the ones that could break yeah yeah and have your weekly fat and salt intake that's what i'm after

00:02:04.780 i don't know if it's weekly or it should be like bi-weekly because that stuff's lethal

00:02:08.380 it's a lot it's the world's tiny like three

00:02:14.940 but you only can do three because every once in a while you could take out a tooth

00:02:18.620 yeah um thank you so much for coming on i really appreciate it i am super excited to talk well

00:02:24.700 not super excited because to be honest i prefer not to have anything to do with it but uh perimenopause

00:02:30.540 and menopause yeah i mean i'm 49 i did not i did not sign up for anything and the the funny part

00:02:41.420 about it is there is so much information and so much yes misinformation but people are like well

00:02:49.100 i just eat cantaloupe and i'm fine and i go for a bike ride and that's cleared it up for me

00:02:54.300 and i you know all these different things okay and i'm like what i don't understand what i'm

00:03:00.700 supposed to do am i supposed to go to a natural path am i supposed to ignore it am i supposed to

00:03:04.620 let nature take its course like i i don't like any of it i'll tell you i'll tell you what i want to

00:03:10.780 to feel like i felt at 35 and and i'm not ashamed to say i'll figure out and hopefully we can talk

00:03:17.600 about different things i'll figure out whatever i have to do to get to that feeling and i swear

00:03:22.140 to god if men went through menopause we already would have had a single pill we could have taken

00:03:26.400 at the beginning of the year and called it a day yeah for sure so i need so what what's up right

00:03:33.120 um yeah let's break it in let's break it in so first and foremost joanna i need you i need you

00:03:39.180 to do me a favor go i like it i need you to let go of the 35 year old self oh come on no no i'm

00:03:46.840 going to start off like that sweetheart i need you to start off like that because that version

00:03:50.900 of you is gone now that doesn't mean the next version of you is not going to be like insanely

00:03:57.060 better because she's going to be okay yeah she's going to be wiser all that period nonsense is

00:04:03.540 going to be done all that kind of like up and down all that kind of like dictated to by your 0.97

00:04:09.820 monthly cycles that shit's all done right so the newer version of you the version of you that's 0.82

00:04:15.700 going into her 50s she could be like kick-ass sorted brilliant but the 35 year old version 0.98

00:04:21.120 of you has gone all right fine you need to make peace with it sweetheart because if you carry on

00:04:27.560 trying to grab keep hold of her that's when the misery starts right interesting so it totally

00:04:34.860 makes it be in all fairness i can't really remember what 35 felt like because i'm that old but um

00:04:41.480 like i like my shoulder

00:04:42.520 do you remember i don't remember 35 i that's 15 years ago i don't really have any i vaguely do

00:04:52.660 because I measure life in children, because my, my youngest was like three. So I kind of remember

00:04:59.980 how old vaguely they imprint that upon you. Yeah, they do. It's like, you know, but the good news

00:05:08.780 is that there's so much that you can do to help yourself. And it's just a question of where do

00:05:16.960 you want to go with it i think so i'm a life coach hold on before we go anywhere with it can we just

00:05:22.940 explain for everybody who's listening uh women and like everybody yeah true what is it what is it

00:05:30.860 what does it do to your body what does it do to your hormones and what are forget the you know

00:05:36.560 the night sweats we'll talk about all those symptoms later but physiologically what is it

00:05:41.680 your body yeah and mind so this is the thing so my background psychology i used to teach psychology

00:05:49.140 i was a teacher back in the day and people people forget that it's the mindset and the mental health

00:05:56.420 side of things that is equally as affected as the body okay and right it's really really important

00:06:03.000 to state that straight off the bat like body and mind body mind and soul we need to put that into

00:06:08.000 dialogue right from the beginning it doesn't just affect your your body it affects your mind as well

00:06:13.040 you have estrogen receptor cells all over your body so everything is affected so perimenopause

00:06:20.160 on average hold on pause for a second how did you say estrogen i said estrogen estrogen yeah it's

00:06:29.200 it's uh you say potatoes i say potatoes darling estrogen all right okay sorry just translating

00:06:38.000 it's a pond yes how do you say migraine migraine oh all right i thought you were going to say

00:06:46.000 migraine i have a south african friend that says migraine i'm like what are you saying

00:06:50.720 continue all right so you have we have all over our body okay now what happens in perimenopause

00:07:01.360 as we mature i shall say we we lose estrogen and progesterone and testosterone right okay estrogen

00:07:13.440 well progesterone leaves our body in a straight line so it starts off high like this and it

00:07:18.800 leaves our body like that nice and gentle in a straight line awesome estrogen is the dancing

00:07:27.920 queen she leaves our body so in an average cycle your estrogen does this anyway estrogen estrogen

00:07:33.680 i'll i'll mix them up just listen i can adjust i already made the adjustment i've already forgotten

00:07:40.400 what i say now so i appreciate the rest i'm saying about estrogen or estrogen so eastern does this

00:07:49.680 it goes like that as it leaves so you one day feel great and the next day you feel like i'm

00:07:56.640 i'm going to cry at a dog getting adopted on tiktok right and you don't know why yeah i am

00:08:03.220 watching that like before 7 a.m so the problem being that there should be a nice gap between

00:08:11.340 progesterone and estrogen to feel balanced and one day the gap will be like this and one day the gap

00:08:16.620 is the other way around eastern dominance and one day the gap is balanced and this is why we're all

00:08:21.400 over the place but essentially you lose both of those hormones as you go through perimenopause

00:08:27.880 and this is why you suddenly feel that your skin is drier you feel that um you have less oomph

00:08:35.800 because you get tired um and different the three different hormones so progesterone oestrogen and

00:08:43.480 testosterone are responsible for different functions in our body oestrogen is responsible

00:08:49.580 for a lot of them so heart health um what we think of as our as our reproductive hormones

00:08:55.800 um our progesterone is more responsible for us feeling calm so when we don't have enough 0.73

00:09:03.680 progesterone that's when the perimenopause rage kicks in you know that i'm going to stab you if

00:09:08.840 you breathe don't look could it also feel like anxiety or or is it more rage or well there's

00:09:16.660 lots of different things that are associated so the rage like don't don't look at me in that tone

00:09:20.720 of voice like i'm going to grab you and but also that sudden onset anxiety that women get in

00:09:27.960 perimenopause like i used to be okay driving my car at night and suddenly i don't want to go out

00:09:33.700 at night time or i can't go out and meet strangers because i suddenly can't cope with it that's we

00:09:39.740 can lay that at progesterone's door pretty much um and then testosterone is the one that's more

00:09:45.080 linked to libido so if suddenly you've lost interest in sex completely like you're like

00:09:49.800 just stay away from me like don't come near me and also energy levels are quite often linked

00:09:55.720 to testosterone as well but estrogen is the biggest player because heart health is estrogen

00:10:02.580 eye health um skin hair nails all these kind of things that is eastern based so that's what's

00:10:11.280 going on and it's it affects everything you that is in your body on average the average woman and

00:10:19.740 I hate the word average and I hate people do air quotes as well but yeah the average woman we go

00:10:31.720 to menopause about the age of 51 and women of color around 49 perimenopause can last 10 to 15 0.88

00:10:40.940 years it usually lasts eight years wow okay so so about 45 45 to 53 yeah so it could be 45 it could

00:10:57.780 be if you if you're asking for the national so i i did some research on canada because i'm nice like

00:11:04.300 that and they yeah okay it's cool but they reckon in canada it's around 47.5 and the average 1.00

00:11:11.960 yeah but maybe not you know the problem with average statistics is every woman is completely

00:11:20.440 different if you started your periods younger you're going to go through perimenopause 1.00

00:11:24.060 statistically younger if you have other things going on with your reproductive health it's going

00:11:30.560 to make a difference so that's but you could realistically start experiencing symptoms

00:11:37.120 anywhere from your mid-30s there have been very rare cases where women in their teenagers have

00:11:43.700 started with perimenopause very very rare I've had uh friends and acquaintances that have gone

00:11:49.980 through different health issues like maybe they've had gone through cancer and got chemo or maybe

00:11:54.860 they've gone through different things and it boom kicks them into menopause and this is a thing so

00:12:01.540 some women for example have have a forced hysterectomy and they're in their menopause

00:12:08.200 overnight all their reproductive organs removed menopause like and that's when the body goes into

00:12:14.240 massive shock because you lose all your sexual hormones in one go and suddenly you don't have

00:12:20.920 this gradual wind down as traumatic as as like as perimenopause can be and it can be traumatic for

00:12:27.320 some women and a lot of women feel so many emotions and so many mindset shifts like this

00:12:33.740 is one of the biggest ones yeah and but it's really traumatic if you have a hysterectomy

00:12:41.520 you have your womb and both your ovaries taken out you have you're producing then

00:12:45.300 no estrogen whatsoever and all overnight you're in menopause and it's a it's a lot it's a lot a

00:12:54.040 lot to deal with so that journey is 8 10 up to 15 years yeah it's a lot so question you're you're

00:13:04.820 talking about i don't want to jump too much all over the place but that's kind of how my brain

00:13:08.600 works you were talking about heart health and its relation to estrogen my question is

00:13:16.600 because obviously men and women both have estrogen and testosterone in their bodies

00:13:21.080 in different degrees right so we all have all of those hormones my question is

00:13:25.640 men have always had lower um estrogen obviously very very low um and it

00:13:33.480 why wouldn't their heart be affected in a negative capacity throughout their whole life or is it

00:13:40.740 and then or is it just what your body gets used to when you take this away and all of a sudden

00:13:45.720 it has a bigger play on your heart so men's health is very very different from women's health

00:13:49.940 they don't go through this menopause they don't go through this withdrawal forms i do they do go

00:13:55.340 through a withdrawal of testosterone yes but i don't know about canada but in in the uk if a man

00:14:02.460 is lacking in testosterone he can go to his doctor and get prescribed testosterone well this is what

00:14:07.980 this is my when i say i want to feel like i'm 37 it's a little bit of a little bit of a play 0.56

00:14:13.100 because it's like women should be able to take and there should be research and there should be

00:14:18.300 stuff done about how to make our our heart our bodies our minds healthier longer and what is

00:14:25.820 that taking what do we need meanwhile everybody and their brother knows that if you're a guy and

00:14:30.940 testosterone's low you're in the doctor so no question so one of the biggest problems for 0.88

00:14:38.220 women's health was a study that was done in the late 1990s that was that basically drew a

00:14:44.300 correlation between hrt and breast cancer yes yes i remember this was a really detrimental study to

00:14:53.500 women's health so basically what they did was they tested a group of women and they they came to the

00:14:58.460 conclusion i'm there with the air quotes again they came to the conclusion that there was there

00:15:02.700 was a relationship between breast cancer and hrt now this since then the study was debunked

00:15:10.300 completely right it was debunked completely yeah many reasons first of all the the average age of

00:15:17.020 the participants was 63 years old oh wow what's that got to do with the average 47 48 50 year old

00:15:26.060 that's going to do hrt second of all there was a large number of women that were obese 0.99

00:15:31.660 third of all they didn't test the women before they started the study to see if there were any 0.99

00:15:37.340 cancers or precursors to cancers existing

00:15:41.500 fourth right they didn't they were testing a really old-fashioned type of hrt

00:15:46.700 so i don't know if you know this but if you don't just hold the sides of your chair because i'm 0.74

00:15:51.820 i'm going to blow your hat off that you're not wearing but they used to make hrt from pregnant 0.92

00:15:58.840 mares urine i'm just gonna let that one sit for a sec 0.95

00:16:04.720 just rumble it around when when somebody discovers something like that what do you do with it how do

00:16:15.580 they do that there's oh i know i'm gonna take some urine from a mare and i'm gonna use

00:16:20.780 i don't understand i don't i okay well they took it from a horse yeah and they did wobbly wobbly

00:16:30.940 in the lab and then they gave it to women is that a technical scientific yeah because that's about

00:16:38.540 as much as i normally may it's a technical term all right all right oh i got you i got so that's 0.77

00:16:45.360 what they used to do they used to give women hrt made from pregnant mares urine now the problem

00:16:50.180 with that is so if you think oestrogen is a grower so just one problem no listen so oestrogen

00:16:59.740 basically is like a grower east gym gives you like it helps to release the eggs it's like a

00:17:08.340 fertilizer if you like in your body so oestrogen fertilizes things and progesterone mows them down

00:17:14.160 so oestrogen and progesterone need to be in balance because if you just let oestrogen in

00:17:18.680 your body things would just grow and grow and grow and it like the the the lining right so the

00:17:25.380 uterine lining would just get thicker and thicker and thicker probably right because that's when 0.81

00:17:31.900 things like uterine cancer come along and it it would get out of hand so this is why the

00:17:37.660 point was that they were yeah so they were just pumping us through or pumping women with um

00:17:45.420 estrogen rather than a combination of hormones that they're supposed to keep at a relatively

00:17:51.580 regulatory amount in your body so yeah they did give them i'm just trying to think if they gave

00:17:58.220 them progesterone but it wasn't the type of it wasn't balanced like it is now so the the whole

00:18:05.420 control and it wasn't like the we now we use um bioidentical hrt which is synthetic hrt we we 0.76

00:18:15.100 always give women if they have a uterus we give them progesterone and estrogen you're never allowed

00:18:19.740 to just take eastern on its own so you have the fertilizer working together so it's it's like

00:18:27.460 everything's in balance so this whole study was just a joke it wasn't based on current hrt it

00:18:36.240 wasn't based on a reasonable sample of the population it wasn't based on anything that

00:18:43.120 is relevant to modern-day technology and medicine.

00:18:49.340 So, for example, in the States,

00:18:53.080 you saw HRT used to...

00:18:54.840 40% of the women in the U.S. used to take HRT.

00:18:59.080 After the study, the current figures are 4%.

00:19:02.480 Four.

00:19:05.400 Four.

00:19:05.680 40 to four.

00:19:06.660 40 to four.

00:19:09.020 Because of that one study.

00:19:10.560 Because of that one study.

00:19:13.120 and and let's be perfectly honest it's the the study was messed up but in all fairness the um

00:19:20.000 it was the media the use of that particular yeah just estrogen and jacking it up was dangerous for

00:19:25.920 women in that moment because of that technology yeah yeah when they first brought out hrt it was

00:19:32.480 like much earlier than that and it was seen as the the cure because suddenly women didn't feel like

00:19:38.880 their knees were breaking and their hips were falling apart and so it was seen as this miracle

00:19:43.760 cure for all the problems that that menopause had and there were problems with the old form of hrt

00:19:49.760 but that but the media sensationalized this headline you know hrt causes cancer but when

00:19:56.960 when the study was debunked there wasn't like oh we guys we made a mistake oh yeah right it just

00:20:04.640 fizzled right so in in i think in canada i i think it's like something like 13 14 13.1 or 14 of women

00:20:15.280 that have access to hrt take it similar similar in the uk it's about 14 so slightly more

00:20:23.520 you guys are going up by about 20 every three years four years as more information comes out there

00:20:30.240 so there's more uptake in Canada at the moment which is good I mean and not everyone wants to

00:20:37.580 take HRT so by the way if anybody doesn't know HRT is hormone replacement therapy so we're looking

00:20:43.540 at estrogen and progesterone not testosterone because they won't give it to women that's a

00:20:50.600 whole other rant by the way why won't they give testosterone to women oh I'm so glad you asked 0.93

00:20:57.860 drives me mental so in the why is it in my heart i'm gonna feel like why do women need a sex drive 0.99

00:21:06.740 they can't have kids anymore anyway they don't have any more eggs so screw that yeah pretty much 0.99

00:21:12.800 um so if if you were diabetic they would give you insulin okay if you had a thyroid problem

00:21:23.360 they they'd help you with that hormone if you were a man and you were struggling with erections and

00:21:28.560 you were struggling with stuff they'd give you testosterone if you're a woman it's a whole heap

00:21:33.680 of tough they so in the uk there we have nhs so the national health service so we have free

00:21:46.800 healthcare in the uk right there is no female testosterone licensed in the uk there is male

00:21:53.840 testosterone licensed and in very rare cases they will prescribe male testosterone for women very

00:22:02.560 very rare cases and you have to micro dose which is very dangerous so you would have to use like

00:22:10.400 less than a pea size and if you get it wrong you can end up with male pattern baldness

00:22:17.440 you could end up with massive facial hair problems you could end up with so many problems

00:22:23.760 now there is a female um testosterone available privately in the uk that you can buy that would

00:22:32.240 cost you i don't know like 60 sterling a month i don't know what that is no canadian it's about 80

00:22:38.160 us dollars maybe 120 yeah yeah um you could buy that but again that's prohibitive you'd have to

00:22:46.400 get a you'd have to go to a private clinic you would have to then get a prescription you would

00:22:51.120 then have to be able to afford the private clinic which is going to cost you i don't know 120 pounds

00:22:55.360 to start with then get a prescription then have enough money to buy the prescription and get the

00:22:59.280 follow-ups then get them so it's available to a few people and most women wouldn't know that

00:23:04.560 it's a thing and know what it's for etc and also so if you're allergic to nuts it's a no-go

00:23:15.200 yeah outside of um sex drive what else does the the level of testosterone that let's say i have

00:23:23.920 in my body in right now what else what other good things does it do in my body that i think

00:23:30.880 energy and and confidence so if you've lost that vava boom you've lost that bravado

00:23:36.720 you don't feel like that male energy that hustle kind of whoomph that's testosterone that does

00:23:44.540 that for you so if you lose that that kind of like i don't know if we're allowed to say this

00:23:49.800 but hey you know that ballsy behavior that men have yeah yeah that's testosterone we should

00:23:55.700 probably take some away from certain people yeah um if we could siphon some out yeah i mean there's

00:24:02.820 no one in the states i'd like to do it to at all no not at all no no i'm sure he gets multiple

00:24:10.900 injections um okay so are we thinking the reason why it makes perfect sense to me in a not perfect

00:24:19.940 sense in a rational way, but it makes sense when you say you have a national health care system

00:24:29.660 that we're paying for that's expensive. We're paying for chemo. We're paying for all these

00:24:33.340 things. We can't be paying for everything. And your va, va, va, boom is just not on my

00:24:37.520 taxation form. You're going to have... Okay. So they write that one off,

00:24:44.160 um but they haven't written off hrt now here's why i find that interesting right have they

00:24:51.000 written it all okay meh so some very sad news came out of the uk this week so let me start

00:25:01.680 by saying i am petitioning at the moment to get the law changed in our parliament

00:25:06.940 um menopause training in the uk is not mandatory for doctors

00:25:12.640 like i don't even know what so this is really sad and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna cry when i say

00:25:22.800 this but it's really really sad but i'm a big i'm a big wuss so if i do like get upset just bear with

00:25:28.620 me there was a woman in 2022 and we had the court hearing this week and the final ruling was was

00:25:35.160 given this week um that and the judge was a woman finally we've got a female judge on this case

00:25:44.040 and her death and i have the the regulation of report to prevent future deaths that has is going

00:25:54.060 to the national health service she was a teacher she was a brilliant woman she was really loved she

00:26:00.440 had a brilliant husband who was so caring and fantastic and the ruling is that her death could

00:26:06.380 have been prevented if she'd have had menopause um intervention and help earlier than she did

00:26:15.780 she unalived herself um even though she was in a psychiatric ward she was she started showing

00:26:22.820 symptoms in 2008 and she unalived herself after a day release in 2022 and the ruling was by the

00:26:31.720 judge and she sent this to the national health service that had she had had um more um earlier

00:26:40.840 intervention for menopause she wouldn't have unalived herself and that's the official that's

00:26:47.060 the official report that's gone through so so we're well this is going to shift into i know

00:26:53.420 there's all these other symptoms but but let's be honest like like sweating and vision and all of

00:26:59.300 those all of those things yeah it's annoying well what what you're pointing to and and obviously

00:27:05.580 what this court case got to was the idea that it has or it can have such a substantial impact

00:27:12.940 on mental health and mental regulatory capacities

00:27:17.620 that it puts women in the positions, like you're saying,

00:27:22.400 to choose to leave this world 0.87

00:27:25.060 because they just can't handle it anymore.

00:27:28.780 And that's somebody with a support system.

00:27:32.040 That's somebody with a loving, caring husband.

00:27:34.760 That's somebody with a good job as a teacher.

00:27:37.400 That's somebody that had ostensibly everything to live for.

00:27:41.460 now that's a very extreme case but what i'm saying on that one is the doctors don't have to have

00:27:49.480 mandatory menopause education they don't need education no they don't need it they don't need

00:27:55.760 it this is the national health service in the uk so i don't know what's going in canada so you guys

00:28:00.980 again did some research you guys every state is for them every province in canada can do their

00:28:06.480 own stuff you have no regulation yeah yeah right you guys every problem decide every province and

00:28:15.180 every doctor like i i know that there's doctors out there and i'll be everybody's pain in the

00:28:20.260 butt so i'll do what i'm gonna do but um there's lots of doctors who say it's natural yeah and

00:28:26.420 it it's it's that's how you're supposed to feel when you're 49 joe so deal with it and move on 0.99

00:28:32.040 Again, eat the cantaloupe or whatever dumb. Ridiculous. I keep saying cantaloupe. I have 1.00

00:28:37.940 had no, nothing about cantaloupe. I just chose the thinner. In fact, I'm allergic, so I should

00:28:42.440 probably be eating that. But a lot of doctors will say it's natural. Now, I'm going to play

00:28:48.600 devil's advocate. It is. So women do go through menopause. That is a natural state of being.

00:28:58.240 and I know everybody's going to say so to men, but we fix, you know, we deal with their

00:29:02.740 testosterone. Let me put it across the board. The natural progression of your body and your

00:29:10.920 hormone levels and it's a different functionality. Yeah. When are we supposed to leave it?

00:29:18.940 well if you if you were interacting if you were lacking in a in insulin if you were lacking in

00:29:27.360 any other hormone you would want to have that fixed you would want to do something about it

00:29:32.340 i am not saying that every woman needs hrt what i'm saying every woman needs to know how to make

00:29:38.920 themselves feel better not everyone's going to choose hrt for sure so i have a perimenopause

00:29:45.520 checklist that i give out to people it has 129 symptoms on it go i'm just joking

00:29:55.360 you'd be so shocked if i did a rain man on you now

00:30:02.240 but there's 129 symptoms that i've had so i i deal with prayer and impossible all day every day

00:30:08.320 and i've done all my research and i have a free group and we i just collect all these symptoms

00:30:12.960 129 different symptoms from burning tongue to inability to swallow to sore boobs to itchy ears

00:30:19.360 to formication which is the like sensation of ants crawling on your skin to hair loss to itchy eyes

00:30:26.740 to like there's so many different symptoms burning mouth to this goes on and and those are all

00:30:33.740 symptoms of a million other things but every single woman that when you so my story by the way

00:30:40.660 I started going through perimenopause I had my first weird perimenopause experience the first

00:30:46.560 week of lockdown in in in I mean like classic timing right oh I mean like why not you know

00:30:53.220 why do it why do it when it's cozy I mean what up so everyone's in lockdown and I'm cleaning my car

00:31:01.680 because like what else have you got to do and I have this weird weird attack right so I'm suddenly

00:31:07.520 like i go hot and my i thought i was having a stroke i'm not gonna lie so my i get this rash

00:31:12.640 down one side of my face and my i get tingly down my limbs and i'm like i'm having a stroke

00:31:18.880 right i'm having that definitely feels like a stroke shingles something like and something

00:31:23.360 going wrong so we call like the emergency services and they're like keep an eye on it and then i feel

00:31:28.080 better then i feel like an idiot and then this starts like these investigations and i i'm not

00:31:34.400 going to say i was gaslit by these male doctors but they tested me for ramsey hunt syndrome slap 0.94

00:31:39.600 face syndrome immune disorders so many different tests and not one of them ever mentioned hormones

00:31:47.680 so i started saying to him i was 45 46 i started saying to listen could it just be more hormones

00:31:53.200 no no no you're too young for all of that and this is a sentence that every woman will hear

00:31:57.200 you're too young for all of that because in their head unless you are 50

00:32:00.880 doesn't affect you conversation yeah right so they tested me for everything eventually when i

00:32:09.380 was like 48 i went to see a female 47 something like that i went to see a female nurse and she

00:32:15.420 went i said do you think this could be perimenopause and she was like yeah wrote a prescription

00:32:22.880 but up until then i'd been i'd had seven lots of antibiotics for my ears

00:32:31.140 oh my god yeah yeah because my ears were a constant i was constantly like what

00:32:36.460 like i was like you know those dogs that lie on the bed and they go like this with their ear

00:32:40.760 i have one of those dogs yeah um that's insane so she gave you a prescription for um

00:32:49.240 say hrt yep and how quickly did you feel better i felt worse oh this is the thing this is the thing 0.97

00:32:59.400 darling not every single hrt and this is what women need to understand as well so you could 0.71

00:33:06.280 start on hrt and it doesn't suit you but that doesn't mean the end of the journey because

00:33:11.720 i started taking oral estrogen and i didn't have a good experience on it it didn't suit me

00:33:18.520 So I went back to her and I said, listen, this is making me feel nauseous.

00:33:22.360 It doesn't suit me.

00:33:23.520 She changed me to the patch.

00:33:25.660 It's just like a transdermal patch.

00:33:28.040 It's a little square that I put on.

00:33:29.600 I started taking that and I felt absolutely great.

00:33:31.980 And I've been on the patches ever since.

00:33:34.600 And that's just estrogen?

00:33:36.820 Mm-hmm.

00:33:38.040 Is that just estrogen then?

00:33:40.000 Well, I have the Mirena coil.

00:33:41.660 So the Mirena coil provides my progesterone.

00:33:45.440 Okay.

00:33:45.880 So I have the Mirena coil.

00:33:48.520 what's the marina coil so so it's like a great name for a band by the way just

00:33:54.720 sounds like a great name for a band the marina coil anyway yeah so do you know why you need

00:34:02.000 yeah an iud coil that releases progesterone to stop you getting pregnant um right because that

00:34:09.600 provides a steady small dose of progesterone you can use that as the progesterone side of the hrt

00:34:16.200 and then you just need estrogen

00:34:20.180 um i never knew that an iud people are going to come at me in my comments uh released progesterone

00:34:29.620 some of them i just learned that right now oh okay so not every not everything not everyone so

00:34:35.320 so you get this this in order to balance it out now here's my question and i'm going to come back

00:34:41.900 to the when is it natural when should we be messing with it all of those kind of questions

00:34:46.420 and what you're saying i think um is that it's it's your mental and physical health if they are

00:34:54.320 debilitated debilitating if they are overwhelming if they are all-encompassing you need to get

00:35:01.120 something to live the rest of your life now would you then argue if your symptoms are minimal

00:35:07.280 then that's not something that you look toward no i'm why should you suffer yeah it's like people

00:35:15.360 it's like women that go and have a a a natural birth or women that go and have gas and air or

00:35:21.740 women that go and have an epidural when they have child it's your choice yeah yeah yeah no one there's 1.00

00:35:28.040 no there's no badge that's handed out that says you have to suffer some women are gonna rough 0.76

00:35:33.760 i'm just gonna say i'm i'm not gonna take any hrt i'm i don't want to put anything

00:35:38.000 artificial in my body i don't want it great your choice there's so many

00:35:44.800 yeah um but i'll take an advil um my question is

00:35:53.760 uh the the comparison to insulin and i just again i just i like the back and forth i like to be able

00:35:59.520 to like really, you know, sort of dive into all of the possibilities because the comparison to

00:36:05.120 estrogen and then the comparison to this, the natural functionality of the body would have

00:36:12.760 insulin and would have it for the duration for the most part of your life. It's only if your

00:36:20.680 body's not working the way it's supposed to, that you wouldn't have insulin and it wouldn't regulate.

00:36:26.480 Now, here's my question. If our natural status of our body is supposed to be around 50, this stops and then we go into another sort of physiological phase of life. Do you think it's a good idea? Regardless about like good idea is a strong word. I'm not trying to be judgmental here. I'm just trying to make the same argument for testosterone in men.

00:36:51.300 i don't know why you got to be 65 getting shot so you can you know elon musk it up over here i don't

00:36:58.900 i don't quite understand that but do you think that if it's a natural cycle of the body should

00:37:06.660 we step out of its way so let me or are we smart enough now to so let me ask you the question what

00:37:12.660 was the average lifespan of women back in the day oh i love it right when people are smarter than me 1.00

00:37:20.020 yeah 45 50 so back in the day you were dropping dead at 50 you didn't need estrogen that's number

00:37:27.700 one like you were dead so that's number one interest right hrt there's a misconception

00:37:36.260 that you have to stop hrt so women will say to me yeah but i can only take it for a few years and

00:37:41.620 then they're going to take it off me anyway so why have a good thing and then it takes away from me

00:37:46.260 bs right there is no you are entitled to take hrt and i'm not by the way i'm not promoting hrt i

00:37:54.760 also i have clients that will come to me and they'll say i want to go down a natural route

00:37:58.400 and we use black kahosh and we use diet i want to talk about all those things we'll come i want

00:38:03.660 to talk about the natural things you can do as well so i'm not here just to promote hrt but you

00:38:08.720 don't have to stop it taking hrt the rule on hrt is as long as it's benefiting you

00:38:14.420 as long as the pros outweigh the cons you can take it to the day you drop dead

00:38:18.520 no one's no one has to take it off you okay but it does prevent it does help to prevent 0.88

00:38:26.980 heart disease it does help to prevent hip problems because a lot of women in the in

00:38:32.880 in the world will die from hip problems my right hip's been killing me okay that's one thing you

00:38:39.280 also need bovine collagen darling that's that will help massively with a hip problem

00:38:43.600 we're back to the cows we were just got off the horses no we're back to oh did we oh yeah we

00:38:48.540 but yeah this is a different animal also very large also on a farm different species

00:38:54.440 what is bovine okay wait okay we'll come back to bovine yes collagen fabulous all right i'll send

00:39:02.500 you some okay okay with the pork rinds in i'll have to smuggle the pork rinds but the bovine

00:39:10.240 collagen yeah you can send the bovine collagen but the pork rinds we're gonna have to hide

00:39:14.880 because we're not allowed to have that guy yeah but um but it helps with hip problems as well 0.98

00:39:20.400 because a lot of women will that will actually go into hospital because they've broken their hip 0.98

00:39:24.880 and complication complication it will prematurely end their existence life yeah so you're saying

00:39:34.960 hrt can be um forever it can be uh you're talking about synthetic are there more natural compounds

00:39:43.680 of hormone replacement that people can do well there's different so the most common form of hrt

00:39:49.840 is um bioidentical you can then go down the route of body identical which is where you go to a lab

00:39:57.920 and you get tested and they produce um a type of hrt that's identical to your body

00:40:04.960 wow is that really expensive it's really expensive and the the jury's out

00:40:09.440 they haven't done enough testing on it yet to say if it's you know the the results are

00:40:17.120 but it gets very it's it's it's it's expensive and and some people swear by it i haven't tested

00:40:21.680 it myself so anything i don't test myself i don't know right right right um so you can have

00:40:27.520 bio-identical which is synthetic yeah and then you can have body identical yeah which is pregnant

00:40:34.900 mares anymore created for you no horses used in the filming of this podcast no we don't do that

00:40:41.160 one all right uh okay and then and then you can do natural um okay method so this for example

00:40:49.660 there's things like um wild yam cream and while yeah wild yam cream there's a very famous one i

00:40:55.980 know if it's canadian actually dr anna's like your gorgeous wife is it um yeah maybe she did it

00:41:03.660 she didn't tell me anything i mean she well i think that's a whole other side are you creating

00:41:09.300 really nice to know i mean darling you're just keeping some secrets i'll ask her when we get

00:41:21.260 off yeah she's so sweet uh so okay so what is this you literally is it cream like

00:41:25.840 body cream it's it's a cream it's just it's in like a little it's like a tincture ointment type

00:41:30.280 of cream um dr annis is a very famous one i i have a lifestyle brand that we use so because i'm

00:41:36.420 always recommending things so i just started a brand and we use one called napiers scottish

00:41:41.080 and it comes in a little tube or a little jar and you just put like a little circle on your inner

00:41:45.900 thigh or on your inner arm and it literally helps your body to help you to produce your natural

00:41:51.900 estrogen because when you stop producing estrogen in your ovaries your body produces a secondary 0.98

00:41:57.720 source which is in the fat cells around your tummy so women get very upset that they start

00:42:04.380 to get that little bit more fat around their bellies and they start kind of hating their 0.99

00:42:08.600 bodies and getting angry with their bodies but the body's actually doing that to help produce

00:42:13.080 a secondary source of estrogen so that's we get very angry but help them right right right so it's

00:42:23.720 trying to balance out so so technically then this is kind of interesting technically a natural a

00:42:30.180 natural physiological response to us not dying at 49 when we lose our estrogen is our body starts

00:42:37.200 doing it in a different way we just don't like it because on people it makes our bodies yeah it's

00:42:42.540 actually trying to help you so it gets this little body is trying to do it yeah yeah your body's um

00:42:48.220 amazing and it's trying to help you by by producing this little cushion what we call our muffin tops

00:42:55.260 and it's trying to help you by providing that cushion because in there is it's not as good a

00:42:59.420 source of estrogen as the one that's produced from your ovaries but it's a secondary source

00:43:04.140 and it's it's trying to help you just give you that last kind of hurrah of eastern that push

00:43:10.780 right now question i've heard a lot of people say that if you're going to do hrt if you're gonna if

00:43:16.780 you're gonna try to balance out these hormones synthetically or bioidentically what body

00:43:22.060 identically whatever you're gonna do you should do it in perimenopause before it's in menopause

00:43:27.580 complete well i mean start at whatever age you like but the earlier the better you get better

00:43:33.500 results if the earlier you start so if you're thinking about it just the you're getting better

00:43:39.820 results the earlier you start for sure right so so what would be the process so like for example

00:43:47.080 me i don't think that i have outside of maybe more of an erratic kind of period and it really

00:43:53.200 some days does think it might kill me if that might be how i go um uh maybe a little bit of

00:44:00.340 sweating at night maybe some brain fog maybe a little bit of lack of some energy so i walk into

00:44:07.440 my doctor's office i say i'm not having it by the way i think my doctor might be the kind of person

00:44:11.740 that we say joe you this is what you're this is just who you are so get over it so what do we

00:44:18.880 push for we push for i want to test my hormone levels or do i want to go to a gynecologist

00:44:25.140 or do i want to go to a naturopath or a menopause expert what do i do i knew you were going to say

00:44:31.020 that so the test for perimenopause is incredibly unreliable amazing i know chef's kiss on that one

00:44:39.760 um so the testing for two hormones lsh and f fsh and lh so the luteinizing hormones and

00:44:46.040 follicle stimulating hormones and remember that i said right eastern does this

00:44:51.160 yeah throughout your cycle so you could go in there and test it one day and they go joe

00:44:57.320 do you know what fantastic fine you're fine darling absolutely no worries and you can go in

00:45:02.760 the week later and he goes yeah week later and he goes my god you're on your knees darling

00:45:09.000 hormone hormone potluck so this is the problem with the test

00:45:16.440 so i have and i can give you the link for it i have i'm just thinking if i've got one handily

00:45:20.600 next to me i don't think i have i have a symptom checklist that i mentioned earlier if you fill it

00:45:26.200 out and there's a tracker on it because doctors are very good at saying i don't i can't see the

00:45:32.040 evidence i don't know what you're talking about so if you have any kind of tracker a symptom tracker

00:45:38.600 and you give them a print out of it and go these are the these this is the evidence this is the

00:45:42.920 symptoms this is the evidence statistically i've had hot night sweats for this percentage

00:45:49.560 then i've had women in their 30s have gone on given the the tracker and the checklist

00:45:54.040 and the doctor's gone oh that makes sense because they can see the evidence in front of them

00:45:58.200 but if you just verbally say i'm having night sweats like oh you'll be fine yeah so as much

00:46:04.520 as you can evidence now if you are over so in the uk we have something called nice guidelines and

00:46:13.400 not like oh and that lovely nice as in n-i-c-e right okay and those guidelines say if you're

00:46:19.320 45 years or older and you're presenting with vasomotor symptoms now vasomotor symptoms are

00:46:25.640 night sweats hot flashes anything cold chills anything to the veins expanding whatever okay

00:46:32.680 then you can have hrt regardless of no test needed okay pause is hrt is the level of hrt

00:46:43.640 and the dosage the same for everybody if they can't really if you're saying they can't really

00:46:49.800 identify it how do they come up with a dosage so it depends on the severity of your symptoms

00:46:54.520 and your age they would start you on a lower dose or an average dose and and how severe your

00:47:00.840 symptoms are so again that's when a tracker or checklist would come in so for example the

00:47:05.960 patches i was talking about they come in strengths of 25 50 75 and 100 so if you were just going in

00:47:15.560 first of all they'd start you on a lower dose because they prefer you to on a lower dose to

00:47:19.720 start with so they might start you know 25 they would then do you a three-month review a six-month

00:47:24.600 review and so on to make sure that you were on the lowest dose that to start with and then if

00:47:31.800 if your symptoms were still reoccurring they would then go up and there's other things like

00:47:36.820 um for example topical estrogen which I can talk about as well which is vaginal estrogen if you

00:47:42.200 need some extra help long story but vaginal atrophy is fun um so you would go and you

00:47:51.760 yeah that's a whole other that's such a fun conversation with a doctor that's so fun

00:48:00.340 listen yeah okay fun yeah it's fun yeah yeah so then you start at a low dose and then they kind

00:48:08.360 of scale you up higher dose if your symptoms aren't lessening so if you went to your doctor

00:48:13.820 and you say to your doctor i'm presenting with these symptoms i'm having night flashes i'm 49

00:48:18.680 years old i'm having hot flashes i'm having night sweats i'd like to explore that conversation

00:48:23.940 i want to have you have to go in there with this kind of attitude of i'm this age

00:48:29.780 are you having vasomotor symptoms this is what i want

00:48:34.540 and then they go oh okay but if you go there and kind of like is it okay they'll be like no

00:48:42.660 you don't need it right no you're fine right but that's what i'm saying out here this helps i know

00:48:49.560 i know that they're okay so it's it it's very hard because you you want a test right like you

00:48:58.320 want a blood test that says, Oh, this is where you're at. Here's the medication in order to

00:49:03.400 balance it. Because I'm assuming when a guy goes in and measures his testosterone,

00:49:07.620 is it a little bit clearer of a picture? Very. And if you want to measure your testosterone,

00:49:13.460 it'd be like that. It's a level. Annoying. Yeah. Always. It's just a level. It's just a level.

00:49:20.060 This is your testosterone. Bing. But as it would be your insulin, as it would be your thyroid.

00:49:25.220 it's the estrogen it's this i'm women are just more complicated i know well that's why i catch

00:49:30.520 women because they're more fun we're just more complicated physiologically emotionally

00:49:34.900 well there are and i've looked at some places where there are menopause focused clinics or

00:49:44.140 health centers uh natural paths connected to them um i've spoken to people from the states

00:49:50.080 who have endocrinologists that they can go to they pay out of pocket and the endocrinologist

00:49:55.060 measures it, I guess, over, you know, a specific range of time to really get a gauge on how high

00:50:01.840 you go, how low you go and where we're supposed to be at. I've gone through IVF. So when you're

00:50:06.900 talking about FSH and all of those indicators, I've gone through cycles and IUI cycles where

00:50:12.900 they measure it over, you know, a eight to 10 day period. And so they really get an idea. And that

00:50:19.520 fsh number that is a number that is a very specific number right um on a day on a day time

00:50:30.320 but it's not the same okay so the next day or the next day or the next day

00:50:35.200 well that's why they do it over a certain amount of time right they wouldn't do that

00:50:39.200 if they were checking you for perimenopause right what but they should shouldn't that be

00:50:44.400 test yeah that'd be lovely we're gonna do blood tests and over a cycle over your your whatever

00:50:53.200 cycle and we are going to do a blood test every day to see what the range is doesn't that make

00:50:57.920 sense yeah that would be beautiful and they just don't do it because they don't want to spend the

00:51:02.720 money because they don't want to include it in our health care yeah yeah so if i paid for it after

00:51:07.520 the endocrinologist in the states are doing i'm guessing the endocrinologist in the states because

00:51:12.080 you're going to pay for it out of pocket or it's private insurance they're going to do well here

00:51:16.800 we're going to charge you x amount for every day we get a blood test and you're going to get this

00:51:20.560 as your end result and then we can medicate and we can we can address it properly i don't i have

00:51:27.440 no idea how the states works in terms of healthcare i mean you guys have i think you have like the

00:51:31.200 menopause foundation of canada so you can go to um yeah you do okay um i like it yeah it's called

00:51:39.840 the mfc about menopause canada so they have guidelines that are like a general guidelines

00:51:48.080 that your um different regions can follow but i don't know what they say right the kind of testing

00:51:53.520 but as far as i know that i don't know anyone that would actually test that's why it's just so

00:51:58.960 impossible unless they were willing to test you every single day over a whole cycle

00:52:03.440 but it's not impossible it's it's not impossible theoretically but you know yourself with your

00:52:10.900 periods the first sign that women will always say with perimenopause is my periods are just

00:52:15.480 whappy like they're closer together the further apart they're spotting they're heavy they're 0.91

00:52:20.440 shorter they're well even if you were to do it like because they always start day one on a certain

00:52:27.680 day right so even if you do it from that day one even if it's for a 10 days part or a 14 day

00:52:34.480 cycle regardless of what happens thereafter that would seem to be a good start would be lovely

00:52:40.480 wouldn't it so so this is just money what we're saying right now this is financial this isn't

00:52:48.560 about not having research this isn't about not understanding this is simply about we are not

00:52:54.880 going to put money into adequately testing the duration of a cycle for women to figure out

00:53:02.320 exactly where they are in this particular stage of life and what hrt levels would help mitigate that

00:53:09.280 that's what you're telling me pretty much i mean this is where the the yeah i mean what can i say

00:53:17.440 okay no so this is where it's like but that's interesting because because that

00:53:23.600 What I find interesting, that's not about research. That's not about is this the case or isn't this the case. That's not about anything other than flat out money.

00:53:33.660 So what it does, seemingly, is it sets up a really clear, identifiable goal and demand that women of different countries can stipulate, can protest for, can create communities in order to access something that already exists, something that is clear, something that is relatively easy, by the way, to do within that particular cycle.

00:54:03.660 in order to mitigate all of those, all of those impacts. And at the end of the day, I think it's

00:54:09.900 not just because in this, I'm going to say something and people are going to be like,

00:54:12.640 oh, Joanna, it's not just because it's women. And, and let's be perfectly honest, women's 0.95

00:54:17.800 healthcare is a distant second to our counterparts. It's because it's about women who are no longer 1.00

00:54:25.700 seemingly biologically useful. Yes. And then you have a conversation about women in the workplace. 1.00

00:54:33.660 and the lack of consideration and anything that's allowed for them when they go to work

00:54:41.420 and any accommodations that are made for them in menopause right none zero none what what possible

00:54:48.700 none yeah they're not even willing to test and and see where we're at what accommodation

00:54:53.820 if there's no proof over here how can they give an accommodation over here 1.00

00:54:57.020 so there's a massive amount of women that leave the workplace between the ages of 49 and 54. 0.99

00:55:03.660 because they their their mental acuity and capacity and physical health is just too damaged

00:55:12.140 at that moment and in some cases the women at board level get picked on and ridiculed

00:55:19.320 by their male counterparts for using fans or having a hot flash or just 0.99

00:55:26.000 bursting into tears because they're for you what we're losing first of all the whole tear

00:55:31.800 what we're losing then is we're losing all of the wisdom, all of the, and I, and I would also

00:55:37.140 probably argue this, cause I just heard this. I saw a TikTok the other day where they were talking

00:55:41.960 about women getting divorced at menopause age. And this woman's like, that's cause they're done

00:55:48.920 with your crap. They're no longer interested. They no longer have hormonal, hormonal capacity 1.00

00:55:55.320 to put up with your crap at home. And I'm assuming that translates to the workforce. 0.99

00:56:00.360 so where we used to be a pain in the ass before we're now twice because we're not even interested 0.98

00:56:06.540 in your feelings into mitigating it and softening the blow on your fragile ego so when we look at 0.98

00:56:13.320 sorry to go back to unaliving rates but if we look at unaliving rates it goes from 4.3

00:56:18.640 percent and this is the uk it goes from 4.3 and then if we go up to the bracket that's like i'll

00:56:25.360 give you the exact rate so so i'm not fibbing um we up until 49 years it's 4.3 and then from 50

00:56:33.680 years old up until six like 60 something years old it goes up to 9.2 per 100 000

00:56:41.060 so literally at 50 exactly it goes from 4.3 to 9.2 yeah that's insane and that's just that's

00:56:52.040 i mean statistics don't lie right yeah exactly menopause like precisely and all of those and

00:57:00.340 and it's funny because you wonder what and i i think this is most women would would never

00:57:08.920 understand that it's this they would think it's them yeah and that's that's you yeah yeah that's

00:57:17.360 you wouldn't even achieve it because so many women will come you wouldn't they'll say i thought it

00:57:24.080 was just me i thought this was just me i feel so i felt so alone like i i thought that i was the

00:57:30.880 only one that felt like that i thought i was going yeah one of one of the most like viral

00:57:37.420 tiktoks i ever did was the one that i did and i said i thought i was going mad yeah and that's

00:57:45.020 the truth I thought I was losing the plot because I was gaslit I was gaslit by by male doctors I

00:57:51.040 thought I was losing the plot I thought I was mad around you whether they're physicians whether

00:57:56.080 they're other women who haven't gone through it whether they're um you know men in your world

00:58:02.240 none of them can how can we even possibly expect those people to understand it or contend with it

00:58:08.300 or accept it or even acknowledge it when the medical community isn't no and this was six

00:58:14.220 years ago when the conversation wasn't being had this conversation is a new conversation this is

00:58:20.660 important it really is yeah because six years ago no one was talking about it i find it very

00:58:28.460 not similar but but obviously somewhat connected because it's all about you know women's bodies

00:58:34.840 and hormone levels and reproductive uh capacity because i think it's also connected to the

00:58:40.780 conversations that never really happened about IUI and IVF, about all of this stuff. I went

00:58:45.740 through it, not because obviously I didn't have the other half of the equation when I wanted to

00:58:52.880 have a kid. And so I went through all of these different things. And I remember sitting in these

00:58:58.120 like incredibly sterile, because all the fertility clinics are private, right? It's not a publicly

00:59:05.060 funded thing. Well, in Canada, it's a little bit funded. The government will chip in. But you sit

00:59:10.000 these places and everybody's dead silent yeah everybody going through hell who's going in here

00:59:15.360 every day getting you know ultrasound internal ultrasounds done full bladder ultrasounds oh

00:59:21.760 they're they're getting their blood taken they're doing all of this stuff every day and then you'll

00:59:26.720 have an insemination day and then you'll have a egg retrieval day and all of this very very

00:59:32.800 overwhelming sometimes hormonal because if you're on ivf medication you're off like you can be off

00:59:38.720 the chair and nobody nobody in this room talks we all sit quietly there could be 40 people ready

00:59:48.960 just to do go through it is set dead silent and i often because i i respond very differently now

00:59:55.760 now again i have to acknowledge the reason why i was there wasn't because of necessarily an

01:00:01.120 infertility problem like i i i hadn't been trying for five or ten years and it wasn't really playing

01:00:07.920 plaguing on me and I didn't feel like a failure and all of those things that women go through

01:00:12.060 and men in those relationships I was there out of just sort of you know objective necessity

01:00:17.980 because that's how it was going to happen happen but you sit there and you think nobody nobody's

01:00:23.920 talking about it nobody's making a funny like how did nobody make a full bladder ultrasound joke

01:00:29.860 that that's just funny but nobody's doing it nobody's talking about it and then you flip it

01:00:36.920 to what we're talking about right now. 0.99

01:00:39.420 Now, I think more women are starting to talk about both. 0.99

01:00:44.060 But again, it's this internalized blame, right?

01:00:49.060 I can't have a baby, it's my fault.

01:00:51.140 Yeah, it's a shame.

01:00:52.640 And shame, see, do you remember gremlins?

01:00:57.060 Do I remember gremlins?

01:00:58.240 Yeah, right.

01:00:59.080 I have no idea how you connect gremlins to this conversation.

01:01:02.160 Well, I will explain.

01:01:03.920 So gremlins are like, I'm so interested

01:01:07.320 so gremlins gremlins are like shame so shame if we if you keep shame in the dark it grows

01:01:15.600 right whatever you whenever you put whenever you wrap words around something whenever you bring

01:01:21.960 shape whenever you bring whatever you're shamed of if you keep it in the dark it grows it multiplies

01:01:26.220 when you bring anything out into the light you wrap words around it you put it in the sunshine

01:01:30.480 right you just put it out into the sunshine you wrap words around it it shrinks again

01:01:36.920 shame is like gremlins menopause shame is like gremlins dude this you should put that on a shirt

01:01:44.420 with a little gremlin yeah you know the part where he gets put in the blender

01:01:49.620 it should be like just like that i'm not sure that's like terribly pairing the moment parent

01:01:54.220 like the whole blood thing well that's funny

01:01:58.940 if we can't laugh about it that's another thing too right i know we have to be able to talk about

01:02:08.960 it we have to be able to cry about it and we should tell them to laugh about it i'm just not

01:02:13.440 sure in terms of doing that yeah i'm just not sure in terms of merchandise it's quite

01:02:17.680 you know just don't press the button yet he can just be sitting it yeah just like a little cutie

01:02:24.760 gremlin in the blender ready to go okay okay he's like prepper yeah okay pre-percolation like

01:02:32.320 pre-blending okay this has been the best conversation can you tell people a where

01:02:38.680 they can find you b where they can find information all of those things and then i'll put it all in

01:02:44.160 the comment section as well so if you want to find me anywhere kate grosvenor don't go kate

01:02:49.660 perimenopause because that's not a thing actually so kate grosvenor just remember to put the s in

01:02:53.980 yeah it's so funny um kate grovner life coach facebook instagram i don't know youtube everywhere

01:03:03.640 um if you want to get your own symptom tracker it's completely free just go to www.myperimenoporesymptoms.com

01:03:11.480 please download it because you can take that you can track your own symptoms you can take it to

01:03:17.420 your doctor it will really really help you and if you're in the uk go to the nice guidelines if

01:03:22.920 you're in canada you know i already mentioned where you can go and please just be an advocate

01:03:28.200 for yourself that's it that's amazing and uh kate and i will be joining forces to come up with the

01:03:35.340 gremlin gremlins are like menopause t-shirt coming to a store near you very soon thank you so much

01:03:42.780 kate i appreciate you no it was a fantastic conversation i would love to have you back

01:03:48.240 at any time and i do think i really do think that that this simple you know blood test that can go

01:03:57.800 every this is a very specific thing we can demand we can talk about that has rational clear

01:04:03.960 objectives it's not this pie in the sky thing no it is a very specific test that already exists 1.00

01:04:10.380 that is not expensive that is not any of those things but women have to start demanding it for

01:04:15.740 themselves we have to start demanding a lot of things for ourselves we need to more women need

01:04:20.000 to advocate for perimenopause care perimenopause health in whatever country you live in for sure

01:04:25.420 amazing thank you guys so much and thank you guys for listening until next tuesday same bat time

01:04:31.840 same bat channel dismissed

Unlearn16: Class is in Session - May 06, 2025

The One Where Gremlins Beat Perimenopause

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