Unlearn16: Class is in Session - The One Where Ryan and I Find The Authentic Metro

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody and welcome to Unlearned 16 Classes in Session. Today, Ryan Seeley. Listen,

00:00:12.040 you guys have been with us on our trip when the school got shut and we were trying to keep it

00:00:17.000 open on when it was saved and when it was saved for the second time. So now's the time to really

00:00:24.980 dig into the soul of this one over here so you can see let's say you know my other half this is

00:00:31.880 my work half you're like my work husband yes i have been called that for how long how long have

00:00:37.520 we been working together 22 years i think right 22 22 years you feel old i look old i don't feel

00:00:45.800 old there's a difference it depends on the day like right now you know this time of year is

00:00:51.300 always energizing right so i think you feel energized right now well this time of year

00:00:56.100 well yeah okay tired being tired though is i think different like it's a different type of tired

00:01:03.060 i'm mentally tired yeah absolutely physically i'm okay we i had two naps on sunday i put together a

00:01:13.880 outdoor coach light i don't even understand what that means you know like a coach light that you

00:01:18.640 put it's a solar coach light no like a lamppost that you would have like why would you do that

00:01:24.580 because i because i wanted a lamppost in the back of my garden guys i know that you've seen a lot

00:01:30.220 of what goes on here at metro this isn't the best of lighting but nonetheless like a lot of what

00:01:34.920 goes on in metro um let's be honest um i do a lot of the painting and ryan basically says joe

00:01:41.440 put this chair over there and get that light well i ask okay well everybody knows me nobody

00:01:47.960 nobody thinks you're telling me anything the point of the matter is he's a lot more let's say

00:01:55.540 what's the word i'm looking for decoratively inclined it's your mom your mom made you that

00:02:00.500 yeah she yeah i've been i've been moving furniture and decorating since i was like

00:02:05.940 grade seven that's when it started i i like you know ferris bueller's day off of course

00:02:13.220 that was the movie that got me into like decorating my room because his room wasn't

00:02:20.080 all computers and stuff no no his room was like he had the big union jack on his door a lot of

00:02:26.120 records and he had like a really cool chair it was just a cool bedroom and i thought okay i want

00:02:32.020 my room like that and then that just one thing led to another but yeah no that's what my mom

00:02:36.640 did for a living right she was a decorator so when you grow up that way it was i would come

00:02:41.460 home from school and before i would go to work at the grocery store we both worked at a grocery

00:02:47.480 store grimsby iga produce department iga and whippy didn't know that i worked at the deli

00:02:55.380 deli's terrible um that i sorry for you produce this scar right here yeah i like eating at the

00:03:03.200 deli but working in the deli you know you know what's so funny there's a very specific gender

00:03:07.500 division of labor at iga produce were guys guys deli weird girls and bakery girls stock boys

00:03:14.960 cashier girls yeah i was the best one of the best jobs i ever had was the grimsby iga so funny i

00:03:20.860 don't know if the patcher evas will see this but if you're out there um anyway when i would come

00:03:26.720 home my mom would be sorry sorry um my mom would say uh oh you have to work okay uh just before

00:03:34.640 you go can you move this couch i just want to put that there and we're just going to move this

00:03:40.040 picture here please hon just just before you go and so my spatial no like my spatial you didn't

00:03:48.460 get lego you got settees yeah it would and it was always like something rather more involved than

00:03:56.560 what she said it would be because then as soon as but i started realizing okay does make a difference

00:04:01.540 It's how you place furniture angles.

00:04:05.240 And so I learned from an early age that that's, it's not,

00:04:09.840 I don't want to call it a skill.

00:04:12.020 Cause it's really, no, I think it absolutely is a skill.

00:04:14.620 With theater and stuff, it's really helped.

00:04:15.920 And with the school, just knowing what will fit without having to measure things.

00:04:20.180 Yeah.

00:04:20.520 You know, and knowing what's going to look good and inviting and going to create

00:04:24.660 some kind of ambiance.

00:04:25.920 I think that's all very important.

00:04:28.500 Lighting.

00:04:29.140 It's all about lighting.

00:04:30.020 It really is.

00:04:30.720 we have yeah i don't love the lady this is not good it's for this it's fine um how far back

00:04:37.020 should we go this is your first introduction what do you think so i want to wrap into metro i want

00:04:42.580 to i want to talk about everything we've gone through in sort of smaller detail because these

00:04:47.880 poor guys have been through everything with me uh and then get to where we are and what our

00:04:52.340 philosophies are and all that fun stuff but how far back do you want to go when i was eight how

00:04:58.100 far back. No, no, no, no. What do you, the essential, if we're talking about you and I

00:05:02.800 and our sort of, let's say educational and I don't know, underpinning philosophical setting,

00:05:13.300 where would you, where would you go back to for you? Well, probably I would go back to like my

00:05:19.860 late high school experience when i started a band with my buddies and band was called and still is

00:05:29.360 full fathom four full fathom four you can go look them up grimsby band and then eventually a niagara

00:05:34.400 band the camaraderie and the shared sort of push and pull in a band i think you become like a family

00:05:44.460 so but you argue and you everyone tries to find their their sort of spot of what they can

00:05:50.680 contribute to the band and then you have like band meetings and what what's the album cover

00:05:56.320 gonna look like and how long should the song be what do we start the show with then when i got

00:06:00.400 into acting in the university at guelph um so you never acted in high school i was no i took drama

00:06:06.900 but i never i think i did a student written play but no i didn't do any of the musicals i never

00:06:11.220 liked it uh i still don't you still won't do a musical it's the worst no no i did once i did

00:06:17.440 not just once but the play once but it's not really a musical it's a play with music about

00:06:21.660 it yeah yeah i think musicals are getting i was hoping for rent yeah well i don't know a good

00:06:27.320 song in that but the story i don't know we'll have to see um so you're going so so theater again it's

00:06:35.780 the collaborative nature it's a very organized discipline you build these like crazy relationships

00:06:41.600 so I met the best people in my third year at the best professors and acting teachers what school

00:06:48.720 Guelph University of Guelph so I had Judith Thompson I had Harry Lane I had Dr. Paul Mulholland

00:06:53.140 Alan Fialwad Rick Knowles um uh Catherine Marion one of my best acting yeah but these people in

00:07:01.620 canadian theater like judith thompson is is a legend person she really is and um but the family

00:07:09.860 of the george f walker plays that we were working on then we we started our own theater company as

00:07:14.840 soon as we graduated but that like the reason i'm going into this is doing plays back then i was

00:07:21.560 still getting clothes out of my closet to clothe other actors we're still using my mom's you're

00:07:27.500 always that guy yeah because you have to do the show but you just are that guy not everybody would

00:07:32.520 have been that guy you still have to do the show but you still were that guy you were directing

00:07:37.020 before you knew you were directing yeah but yeah and i wasn't really direct i never even took a

00:07:42.320 class in directing i only was interested in acting but what i realized is as i went down the path of

00:07:47.800 theater and film and trying to become an actor is i missed then i missed the band but then when you

00:07:54.720 go back to the band you miss the um autonomy of being an actor where you're like i want to do this

00:08:01.240 and i'm going to if i get offered yeah you can switch teams and you can transition into other

00:08:06.080 projects yeah so i think the the cool thing about metro is that when i first got hired here i had

00:08:14.900 already gone to england and california la yes study studying with people learning from the best

00:08:22.740 the best teachers, but I still missed the camaraderie. And so when I got hired here,

00:08:30.820 you didn't think it was going to be long. You thought I was going to do this for a minute,

00:08:33.580 six months, a year, because then I'll go back to acting. And I think the students

00:08:40.120 were so interesting to me, right? And what I was able to accomplish with them

00:08:47.460 changed my whole trajectory yeah and so the best thing about this school was

00:08:55.900 the students and the staff were given a lot of freedom to a lot try what they yeah to try

00:09:04.500 whatever it is they want yeah take a class oh you don't have the prerequisite well

00:09:09.080 oh well yeah give it a go if you really want to try you can give it a go in class and you

00:09:13.860 don't have drama nine go for it so meeting people like john hirsch you know um who was a former

00:09:20.240 student who was a magician like a literal magician um and then a lighting guy in grade nine and ten

00:09:27.100 begging me can we do a play can we do a play from that moment on it's literally every year is what's

00:09:32.740 the show and then all the other stuff fell into place english and world issues and philosophy and

00:09:38.180 um even civics all of those things that i've taught over the years have always music they've

00:09:45.520 always come second to theater and so the school slowly became like a canvas upon which all the

00:09:53.300 teachers that got along with me and i guess the things that i wanted to try to achieve at the

00:09:59.540 school especially you the travel i mean that's huge right well for me it was it was all a mistake

00:10:05.880 yeah like for me it was all a miss it was all this very it was all the mistake in the sense that

00:10:13.940 i i i had one day a grade nine drama somebody asked me to act like a willow tree i said

00:10:19.680 piss off i i left i i then played volleyball and baseball and rugby and i went off to do

00:10:24.940 all these other things never in a million years did i think that there would be something that

00:10:31.580 resonated with me when it came to theater or acting or performance or any of it. Never did I

00:10:38.740 think. And the interesting part is as a teacher, funnily enough, I think if you're good, you're a

00:10:46.620 performer. No matter what you teach. Because if you're not good at it and you don't figure out

00:10:54.080 how to control the room, you don't figure out how to tell a story, you don't figure out how to draw

00:10:58.580 kids in i don't think you can make a great teacher i don't care how smart you are in your discipline

00:11:04.580 i think the great teacher comes from that and i and i used to like when we were younger i'd be

00:11:11.140 like oh sure take drama it's an easy course right like come on it's exactly what i you know take

00:11:18.180 all the hard courses or something out and the older i got and the smarter i became the more

00:11:23.780 I recognize that, oh, no, no, take drama. Because, and as we get to our ethos of Metro Prep and what

00:11:31.780 we're going to do and what we have been doing here, I honestly believe that the performance

00:11:39.020 and the art gets closest to the authenticity of the person if you do it right. And that should

00:11:45.000 be at the heart of everything period well put right well I mean that is okay so a lot of what

00:11:54.200 I've taught in acting classes is based on Stanislavski's method bless you which is

00:12:01.200 good one which is essentially you're trying to figure out what story in your own life can apply

00:12:10.800 to the character that you're playing so you bring something true from your own experience and you

00:12:17.200 somehow layer it or link it to the story of the character so let's say you're hired to play you

00:12:24.520 know a killer but you've never killed anyone well you you have to dissect and i guess um deconstruct

00:12:32.740 why what was the motivation of the and what would it take and what happened yeah is there guilt

00:12:38.380 after you've done it okay so let's just talk about guilt obviously this character let's say

00:12:43.680 it's hamlet and you're you have a revenge that the complex that you want to you know carry out

00:12:49.980 because your father's been murdered by your uncle who's also with now your mother now and there's

00:12:56.360 this whole sort of insidious plot and you want revenge okay has there ever been a time in your

00:13:02.780 life where you wanted revenge it doesn't have to have anything to do with your father or mother

00:13:07.740 or uncle but have you ever wanted revenge and i remember you telling me that right and trying to

00:13:13.560 get me to do that but some people their their life experience is very um on the surface they think

00:13:21.180 well i've never really had anything happen to me and students will say that like i'll say well tell

00:13:25.120 a story you're gonna write tell us a true story something that happened to you that changed you

00:13:28.960 and a lot of them start off with nothing's really happened to me but that's not true something's

00:13:35.560 happened to everyone yeah and it's the digging that's the part of the process right do you think

00:13:41.340 it's it's so funny so i'm just trying to see parallels here between because it is our friendship

00:13:46.500 and our closeness and the and what we've done here and what we're about to do here is very

00:13:51.600 unexpected if you looked from the outwards in but the more that you talk about that process the more

00:13:57.680 that you realize acting is about being more of an authentic person more of who you really are

00:14:05.840 because you have to do all that digging all that digging that people avoid people avoid that

00:14:10.140 digging by drinking by drugs by marrying the wrong person by going on trips by building it they avoid

00:14:15.600 it right whereas acting if you do it right if you do it at all it's kind of tapping on your shoulder

00:14:22.420 and saying no no no no no well you still you got to go back to that crappy place that you don't

00:14:27.660 even want to talk about you still go to those places even when you're acting well no but that's

00:14:32.340 what i'm saying is that it's the acting it's weird i always thought acting was pretending

00:14:38.020 i still to some degree do i'm not good at it but it's also about finding a truth well yeah

00:14:45.760 well i don't want to turn this into like an acting lecture i guess what i'm but i think

00:14:50.620 that's the heart of what we're about to do. Well, okay. To your point of that, a great teacher

00:14:56.980 is often performing. I think that's true in most cases. I do think there's phenomenal teachers that

00:15:02.560 figure a way eventually to even be more authentic and perform less because they're so centered in

00:15:10.300 what they're doing that they don't need the pomp and circumstance. Sure. When I say performing,

00:15:15.520 i don't mean maybe the way that i teach i just like i mean or me that's that's how i enjoy that

00:15:21.540 is who i am yeah but i mean performing in the sense of capturing attention and being authentic

00:15:28.060 and knowing your audience knowing your audience is very important and that again you learn that

00:15:33.400 over time and metro has been a wonderful place people ask me and still do you know why why did

00:15:41.140 you stay teaching? Why didn't you go back into directing? Even people who we've worked with for

00:15:46.460 years will say like, I always thought maybe you'd do this or that. And it's not that I don't think

00:15:51.620 about those things, right? I will probably write a play or more than one play at some point in my

00:15:58.140 life. I'm just going to have to, right? Okay. There's things I want to do, but the most fun

00:16:04.520 I've ever had is working with teenagers in theater and in music. Why? Well, there's two reasons. I

00:16:13.540 think one is when you're an actor, all you really do is audition for things. And you have a group

00:16:20.360 of people auditioning you quite often who don't really even know what they want. They want you

00:16:28.080 to come in the room and tell them, I am the person so that you make their job easier. But how it

00:16:34.280 comes off is they're judging you but really they want you to succeed because the faster they find

00:16:40.580 it's easier for them yeah just come in and blow me away but that idea of someone else kind of

00:16:45.700 judging you and saying you're not right for this it gets very tiring yeah sure and so it's part of

00:16:51.980 the process and brian cranston talks a lot about it's it's the job you are it doesn't matter if

00:16:58.120 you get the part or not, right then in that moment is your job to do your very best audition,

00:17:06.200 your very best work to show them what you can bring to the table. But after you've done a lot

00:17:11.180 of auditions and you get a commercial or you get a little play or an indie film, and I've done all

00:17:15.380 of those things, you spend a lot of time not acting. You spend a lot of time doing all the

00:17:20.600 jobs that actors do, right? Waitering, bartending, so that they have flexibility to go to those

00:17:25.260 things when i started teaching i realized that from 8 45 in the morning when we used to start

00:17:31.320 8 45 and when i first started i had five classes from 8 45 to 3 30 every day and we only had a 35

00:17:38.620 minute lunch and i had 25 to 30 people in those yeah yeah well that what i was doing more theater

00:17:51.520 in one week I was on stage working my voice trying to be funny directing learning about

00:17:58.920 lighting I was doing way more of that and by the end of the year I was like wow I've spent a lot

00:18:05.700 of time so that really intrigued me to not give up on that because it could have been a couple

00:18:12.000 years of teaching and then you go back and oh do a theater company or go work at Soulpepper or and

00:18:17.240 i have lots of my friends who have who have gone on and done those things i still know that if i

00:18:23.580 compare the amount of time i've spent in a black box theater since 2001 to now there's few people

00:18:30.860 that i know that have spent that much well it's not that i've done so much it's just been in that

00:18:36.540 environment yeah that to me is what i love about it and number two our school is small and i do my

00:18:45.160 shows in small spaces and we work on them for months and months and months and we do our very

00:18:51.820 best and then it happens and it goes into the ether and it's done it's over and then you move

00:18:58.520 on it's not some big spectacle where there's reviews and there's you know the previews and

00:19:04.560 everyone's talking about it it's like we just did frankenstein it's the hardest show i've ever done

00:19:09.160 it's over it happened and i i've learned to love that yeah that there's this release

00:19:16.780 meanwhile i'm always trying to think ways to capture it and put it on film and you can't do

00:19:21.220 it and i've tried no it's just you can it doesn't it's a whole other job it's it doesn't it never

00:19:26.720 looks nope like you have to be in the room you have to be in the room which is it to be honest

00:19:33.040 that should be our school model you have to be in the room but being in the room being in the room

00:19:40.020 and being in real time and experience some experiencing something authentically is something

00:19:48.740 I think that we've lost a lot of now we've lost a lot of it because of technology and because of

00:19:54.460 what we can do and what we can access and there's there's good things that come with that but being

00:19:58.740 in the room and putting all that away and just existing in that moment and not taking the selfie

00:20:03.660 and not doing this I mean hilariously enough coming from me who TikToks everything but there

00:20:09.800 is something authentically powerful about that and I don't know many places it exists anymore

00:20:16.420 and I think that is the heart of education being authentically in the room yeah I do especially in

00:20:24.880 the arts especially um because you do you there's an atmosphere i think the school has an atmosphere

00:20:31.940 that our colleagues and our students have helped us create and obviously the support that wayne

00:20:40.060 and deb have given us over the years to just try stuff you know i'm looking at your classroom that

00:20:44.680 you yeah you're in charge of this um and it's it it'll it's changed so many ways right and it will

00:20:51.740 continue to change. I'm looking around now. I'm like, oh, that'll probably be different next year.

00:20:55.500 That's the beauty of it. I think you mentioned something I'd like to talk about, which is this

00:21:00.760 whole idea of you, authenticity, TikTok, and your sort of social media career, like the fact that

00:21:08.080 I'm on your podcast. And by the way, I just said, Ryan, we have an hour before we have to go to a

00:21:13.580 parents meeting. We're going to do a podcast. He goes, what do you mean? I said, just come in my

00:21:17.260 room, sit down. He goes, I'm going to go change my shirt. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:21:21.740 well no but what i think when i saw you first doing because i still don't have tiktok i own

00:21:28.500 so rude no i don't just get it and follow me at least well let's see i'm i already know you

00:21:35.100 and i'm with you and i think what's really interesting is when you started doing the

00:21:39.800 lip syncing it was just right after a divorce i just thought it was so funny how you went from

00:21:47.540 I never want to be in a play I'm terrified yeah and all of a sudden you're like you got like a

00:21:53.160 leather jacket on and you're holding a guitar I'm like you don't play guitar okay but it was

00:21:56.860 totally in my control yep and but you were good at it and you got people got into it but at first

00:22:02.460 I was like what the hell's wrong with her yeah she's having a break I know I didn't think you

00:22:06.880 were having a break I just thought this seems like a side of you that I well number one didn't

00:22:14.560 seen it was a side of you i didn't know existed and i liked it but i was very protective of you

00:22:20.760 i thought and you don't know this no yeah like there there were people because you tried to get

00:22:26.420 me into a play before that way before that but there were just people that were like i think

00:22:31.000 they were like what's what's joe doing 100 and i was so my best friends yes i like former students

00:22:38.420 right even like well can we say students names sure it was like hycoon right right right like

00:22:43.260 he called me he's like have you seen like joanna's doing like by the way hycoon um you could have

00:22:49.100 just called me directly sir i'm not outing it no no no of course i had some of my best friends

00:22:54.520 you're like what is going on yeah are you okay yeah and it was it was in fact it was a number

00:22:59.400 of the kids at this table that we took the picture oh yeah yeah yeah but as you got more comfortable

00:23:08.580 with the whole thing what then when you started doing was the complete opposite of just a lip

00:23:15.840 sync and it went into it was not just podcasting but then the in your car talking about education

00:23:21.400 then i was like hmm this is interesting because now it's the joe that i've seen in a staff room

00:23:28.640 or on a trip but you still have

00:23:32.060 a performative nature when you are doing your it's not that it's not authentic no 100 i know

00:23:40.000 but when you describe going through a drive-thru you would think that it was like you saw godzilla

00:23:49.380 was coming over the mountain listen i do it a lot you you'll describe guys we're you know look at

00:23:56.340 this i just found this vintage cereal box at costco no one told me it's highly enjoyable

00:24:05.700 but what i'm saying is it is you that intensity but you're more like when you're explaining to

00:24:11.480 a student why they have to write an essay this way you'll get that way when you're trying to

00:24:18.100 tell a teacher um you know how funny something was with a kid that happened at lunch right get that

00:24:25.280 way right but most of our friendship you're rarely like that because we have like a much more

00:24:33.460 kind of calm like let's figure this out we're usually in some sort of crisis we're usually

00:24:39.000 figuring out a problem or coming up with like a cool idea and then you're like i want it to be

00:24:44.020 like this and i can see it and you're very passionate but you're not selling yeah and so i

00:24:49.980 think what's this whole podcast tick tock fame that you've because it is like when i go out with

00:24:56.540 joe like last year we went to last fall into the blue jay game i couldn't go 10 feet without

00:25:02.320 someone coming up to her at the blue jay stadium and i love your podcast oh yeah and i just stand

00:25:07.380 there right because what am i what am i going to say i don't have tick tock i listen i know what

00:25:12.400 she's going to say before she says it half the time that i can feel it but i i was so and still

00:25:17.940 lamb when we went to the play the jaws play oh yeah yeah yeah as soon as we got there people

00:25:22.820 and i'm like this is this is so cool because you know it just is it's for the right reasons

00:25:31.400 and i don't really think you've ever made it about you in a sense i just don't i think you've

00:25:43.500 always made it about the topic the person the student whatever it is you were the parents sure

00:25:49.100 right and unless I'm wrong you have all these followers and you are not a millionaire right

00:25:59.380 you know what I'm saying you're not doing it for that no no that impresses me because most people

00:26:04.520 in who call themselves and you are an influencer a hundred percent you influence people but a lot

00:26:09.420 of influencers i know they have all of these deals and they have all these and you're so much

00:26:14.060 like you're like let's do a podcast well this matters to you 100 but but who's going to give

00:26:20.560 you money for it no one it's just going to be good for parents it's going to be actually cost

00:26:24.100 me money i'm pretty sure um well it does i subscribe very very admirable i don't think

00:26:29.960 it's so funny because a lot of people will say that like i do a lot of lives or i'll do this and

00:26:33.800 I talk, but it's, it's not as, uh, I guess, altruistic as you think, because I feel like

00:26:39.860 I get so much from it. So when I do lives, the conversations, I get the banter, I get the

00:26:45.680 community I get. And, and I am, you know, I'm an extrovert. I think it feeds something that I

00:26:51.700 really love and something that I get to be passionate about in this room. I get to magnify

00:26:56.940 and I joke all the time. I would never want to use anything that I've garnered to necessarily

00:27:02.720 make money on TikTok or from followers, because there's lots of ways you can like, you need

00:27:09.080 subscriptions or you need to do this or that or whatever. But what I've told everybody, I want to

00:27:14.100 be the, the anti Jordan Peterson. That would be my goal. My goal would be having, being able to

00:27:20.660 sit on a stage. Okay. Let's get into that. Why anti, you mean anti Jordan Peterson in the sense

00:27:26.140 that. I mean, I don't believe anything, but he has a certain magnetism and pull and cultural

00:27:31.800 influence that I want to have. But what I really like about it is I like the idea of the professor

00:27:40.240 lecturer that is now connecting on a cultural, political, social level that's getting people

00:27:48.020 inspired for change. Now, when I say anti him, I believe that most of his stuff I want to do the

00:27:53.540 opposite of. Like a lot of his primary beliefs. You don't agree with a lot of his politics.

00:27:58.600 Right. I mean, make your bet all you want. But outside of that, I think we'd come head to head.

00:28:02.600 Like, I think of a guy like Stephen Fry. I saw him do a podcast and I'm just blown away by how smart he is.

00:28:10.480 The actor?

00:28:11.180 Oh, my God.

00:28:11.860 The British actor?

00:28:12.380 Yeah.

00:28:12.760 Oh, he's amazing.

00:28:14.060 Like, beyond. He was on a thing with Jordan Peterson and he very quietly, very witty, you know, very witty like British people are, just kept putting him in his place and saying, like, Jordan, what are you talking about? Here you go. Here you go.

00:28:26.900 And then I'm thinking, to me, that's what the world needs.

00:28:31.620 The world needs calm, witty, intelligent people to address big issues in rooms.

00:28:38.640 You've got to be in the room.

00:28:40.760 Because I love podcasts and I like the way you can reach.

00:28:43.900 There's something more powerful.

00:28:46.420 Well, the thing I like about your approach is you like to have meaningful discussions with your students and your friends and your colleagues.

00:28:55.640 but you also it's about the disagreements yes right what I what I've learned because I'm not

00:29:03.440 an expert in like you are in any of this stuff but I have watched quite a lot of Jordan Peterson

00:29:08.500 in clips because he he's become famous and one of the things that I notice about him

00:29:14.000 and I think you would agree is that he likes to back up a lot of his statements with

00:29:20.600 studies and and statistics and he's a the one thing i'll say i mean i i don't know the man

00:29:27.960 i've never gone to one of his lectures but he does have a way of presenting his opinion with

00:29:35.380 some other things the question is you know do i then go and vet his statistics no of course i

00:29:42.540 don't but would he would he put himself in would you i don't think you would i don't think you

00:29:47.460 would go on alive and start spouting off statistics if you didn't know you could back

00:29:52.500 them up absolutely so so some of the things that that i think are important in education

00:29:58.540 are that i think we do need to have discussions about what's happening with israel and palestine

00:30:07.520 in a classroom yes you don't have the amount of time you don't avoid how many times i'd say for

00:30:11.960 the past six weeks i have one every day yeah okay but what i mean is the one thing and the jordan

00:30:19.340 peterson kind of model that i one thing i like it doesn't matter if you agree with him because i

00:30:24.820 know what you mean i don't agree with no but he's listen but he should be a part of the discussion

00:30:29.200 and if but if we could have more educators yes have the stats the map the border the date

00:30:39.960 to show kids how things have come to pass, whether it's from history or whether it's a

00:30:46.720 social justice issue, I think it would resonate with kids even more than just everyone sharing

00:30:52.780 an opinion. Clickbait and anger. Yeah. It's just, oh, my mom hates this person. So I hate this

00:30:59.440 person. My dad can't stand Netanyahu, but my mom loves him. Right. Okay. That's all anecdotal, 0.74

00:31:07.300 But let's look at, you know, how long has Netanyahu been in power?

00:31:11.180 How many people voted for him?

00:31:13.400 What are the polls showing now?

00:31:15.480 What's going to happen to him if he does lose the election?

00:31:19.520 Trump, another divisive figure, right? 1.00

00:31:21.780 Everyone, Trump's an idiot. 1.00

00:31:23.220 Okay. 1.00

00:31:23.700 But how does 70 million people vote for him?

00:31:26.180 That's the interesting conversation.

00:31:27.620 And how does he keep avoiding, even when he's convicted, he just appeals, right?

00:31:33.040 And if he wins the next election.

00:31:34.460 So what I love about Metro Prep is that if we want, we can spend that time talking to the students and showing them the clips.

00:31:47.600 We have to teach curriculum, but the curriculum, when you read any ministry curriculum, there's a lot of creativity.

00:31:58.100 Instead of looking at it negatively, I've learned to look at it in a positive light.

00:32:02.360 There's so much room to teach a course that has been approved by the ministry in a different way.

00:32:10.340 And we certainly have done that here.

00:32:13.920 And that's what we're going to continue to do is deliver the material in an engaging way.

00:32:20.820 But it has to be modern.

00:32:22.040 It has to be thoughtful.

00:32:23.080 We don't want to forget where we've come from.

00:32:25.280 But I think that is, for me, that's the future.

00:32:29.500 You want to talk about the philosophical underpinnings?

00:32:32.020 Sure, there's the Dead Poets Society model where you want that amazing teacher who connects with the kids, shows them a different side of who they are.

00:32:40.660 I love that.

00:32:41.500 One of the first times I ever thought, I want to teach was when I saw that movie.

00:32:46.240 Right?

00:32:46.740 But that happens to me a lot.

00:32:49.600 I get really invested in certain stories and go, I want to do that.

00:32:53.920 I want to work for National Geographic because I saw Raiders of the Lost Ark and I thought, well, maybe I won't.

00:33:00.860 Yeah, I have that.

00:33:02.020 it's true um so let's moving forward what do you you said like what do these people that are

00:33:09.220 listening to this want to know about the future of the school and saving of the school and

00:33:12.700 i mean well first of all your listeners need to know that we wouldn't even be having this podcast

00:33:19.620 if things haven't transpired the way they did because you and i would be in a very different

00:33:24.420 headspace we might not be even working together we probably would have been and figured it out but

00:33:30.120 it would have been much different and we wouldn't be talking about the future of metro yeah um which

00:33:35.760 is just kind of it's the story itself is uh is insane and it's too long and detailed to go into

00:33:44.060 but in general i think the school is going into the future because it has to it just has to the

00:33:54.920 universe is and i'm not even a you've said this before it's like it's just this is not the end

00:34:00.920 of this this is not how the story ends i've been telling you this since we moved here this is not

00:34:07.120 how the story no it just to me stories everything and i when you read so many plays and you watch

00:34:14.700 all these movies you're if you're someone like myself who like really believes that the best

00:34:19.740 stories the best plays they're all true and they really happen for the most part they always do

00:34:28.240 they're always something based in actual reality sorry to the harry potter fans right but even

00:34:35.880 harry potter has like its elements of truth right or buffy yeah but um this story is so

00:34:45.140 important i just knew that the characters like i guess i was starting to say when you read plays

00:34:50.800 everyone that i know or student whether it's a teacher a student even my family members

00:34:58.160 i'll see them in a movie i'll see them in a show like a character and go

00:35:02.840 and so when you meet someone and you start to work with them or teach them sometimes you're like

00:35:09.220 They remind me of Tony Soprano in a way, or they remind me of Luke Skywalker or whatever character you pick.

00:35:20.360 There are too many characters in the history of Metro, Wayne being the major protagonist, that the story just doesn't end that way.

00:35:30.880 the other thing is is that i think the voice of metro prep in the private school world of toronto

00:35:39.000 and we're just going to say toronto is necessary it's just it's just a very different voice

00:35:46.240 there are schools that have borrowed things from wayne's philosophy and there are schools that

00:35:52.360 even we learn from and we oh that's an interesting thing they're doing over there

00:35:55.860 And we might implement that in a variety of ways, but we're not a competitive school.

00:36:03.700 No, we don't get up in the morning and think, how can we be better than that school now?

00:36:10.880 Maybe to our detriment in certain regards, but it's just not who you and I are.

00:36:17.440 It's always about the kids in the room and the teachers and what are we doing?

00:36:21.020 and so even going through this whole transition the entire time after wayne got sick and passed

00:36:27.420 away we've still also had to help the school continue to function right on a daily every

00:36:35.980 test every event the play the trips supporting the teachers the teachers supporting us yearbook

00:36:42.940 every club the ireland trip exams can't believe we're going to ireland right all of this stuff

00:36:50.300 was has to happen and so why are we doing it okay because it's hard well it's because you have to

00:36:58.460 at this point that's my answer is that it's it's no longer just a simple choice of well do i want

00:37:05.120 to work here anymore that wasn't really the option so as soon as we found out that the school was

00:37:09.760 closing it's like no it's not no like in my gut i knew it wasn't yeah but we had no idea how it

00:37:17.580 wasn't no that was the best part of that moment i wish i could package that moment that moment

00:37:21.680 where we looked at each other went it's not closing but literally had no idea well i just

00:37:28.620 don't think it's you can never and it's it's not like we've done anything magical we've been lucky

00:37:36.080 Yeah, there's been a lot of good fortune and people who have given us good advice, and especially parents, too, even.

00:37:43.620 Oh, look, and I've said this before, and I'll say this now. I wouldn't wish what we went through on anybody and what we're going through. But the fact we've all been tested by fire has sort of forged a community of parents and teachers and students that I don't think, well, you can't fake that.

00:38:03.820 you got to go through hell and back together in order to get that and even though it was relatively

00:38:08.340 short yeah do you know what i mean all those parents in that cafeteria saying what 10 are

00:38:14.640 you teaching in we'll be there was insane it's still insane it's not though because i know what

00:38:21.660 you mean it's okay insane it's not though because once your student your kid

00:38:27.280 connects with the the school and believes in the school yeah yeah yeah the the last thing a parent

00:38:36.360 wants to do is take their kid out of that because you have the social yeah and the academic right

00:38:41.560 and on any given day those things can inverse what's more important yeah so i started thinking

00:38:49.080 about that like this is weird because most people think okay well if the school's closing what

00:38:54.960 happens to my my financial situation where can i work um am i going to enjoy it as much how do i

00:39:02.400 how do i start doing that and looking for another career while i'm doing this and i can't do any of 0.96

00:39:07.640 those things but the first thing i thought about was i didn't like the idea and this is so stupid

00:39:13.740 but it will make sense to you i didn't like the idea of going to ireland on a school trip that 0.57

00:39:19.320 i've been thinking about for years and coming back and coming back and getting off at pearson

00:39:22.940 on July the 1st and shaking hands with kids and saying best of luck at your new school it wasn't 0.88

00:39:27.920 just that you didn't like the idea you're like that's not that's not how it ends that's ridiculous

00:39:31.340 it just can't happen it's a weird story and here's my because all of the things you listed all those

00:39:35.580 things I should have been thinking about right how do I get a job where do I go from here what am I

00:39:40.960 gonna have my mom and all of those things that I should have been thinking about I probably thought

00:39:45.160 about those things 10 percent and the other 90 wasn't just that this isn't how it ends it's just

00:39:52.220 like this is who i am and not just a teacher i'm a teacher here i'm a teacher here because of what

00:40:00.860 we've been able to create and i know for a fact there's lots of places i can go and work but

00:40:07.180 there's i don't think there's a place that i can be this um and even if there is even if there is

00:40:17.260 right someone okay but then someone has to replace you here right and then that like we've had lots

00:40:25.360 of teachers over the years of metro wonderful teachers and some of them have left and gone on

00:40:28.780 to do other great things or teach other schools and that's going to happen again not everyone

00:40:35.520 stays right for sure but what's cool about metro is the ethos of it the ethos the the philosophy

00:40:41.620 it hasn't changed that much the here's the courses we offer put someone in the room that cares about

00:40:50.540 the students teach the student not the course right don't get afraid if you're called to the

00:40:56.860 principal's office because they just want to talk to you about your life right um you can have

00:41:02.760 policies but everything has to be treated on a case-by-case basis even though there's a policy

00:41:08.960 because policy is worded in such a way like discipline policy where you sometimes cut out

00:41:15.160 the entire like you're not treating the problem context of the situation yeah right so a kid said

00:41:22.700 something inappropriate to another student all right well then you find out what's going on in

00:41:27.300 that kid's life sometimes the parent of the kid who's offended doesn't even want anything to

00:41:32.240 happen to the student that's broken the rule because now they know what's going on at home

00:41:38.100 And I'm sure lots of schools are able to navigate those things. But I think moving forward, that's something I don't really want to change much.

00:41:49.660 No, absolutely not. I think the only thing that it's so funny is that Wayne has always been exactly the person you described him.

00:41:59.200 And so he created this kind of this ethos that we grew up in and I think is very, very important.

00:42:05.000 I think the only difference is that you and I are very comfortable with who we are in the sense of what the underpinnings of humanities and the arts and how we feel as though that is the foundation.

00:42:22.160 If you want to be a scientist, if you want to be a doctor, if you want to be a math, amazing.

00:42:27.520 But I'll tell you, you're going to go into those fields having the heart and having the soul of somebody who is still connected to the arts in some capacity.

00:42:35.520 Because if you go void of that, it will be empty.

00:42:39.980 And I truly believe that.

00:42:41.500 And the longer that I've been, well, I used to not believe that.

00:42:44.540 I don't think I was ever attached to that notion.

00:42:46.860 I think watching what we had a kid, basketball playing superstar, 99 and everything, quiet, reserved, never like going to go out and do amazing things.

00:43:02.180 Absolutely.

00:43:03.260 This year, the kid goes into the play, assistant directs and becomes a different person.

00:43:11.700 And I don't think he became a different person.

00:43:13.660 I think finally the piece of him that he didn't know he could get access and he didn't know was

00:43:19.340 important, all of a sudden was just poked a little bit and boom. And I think every person has that.

00:43:25.680 I think that's, I think that's a good way to, as we get closer to the end of the conversation,

00:43:31.520 it it's what I talked about at the beginning, which was the collaboration. It's,

00:43:38.000 there isn't really, in my experience, and I'm not, this is kind of a David Mamet quote,

00:43:46.000 David Mamet's a famous American playwright. He's problematic, but he wrote some great plays.

00:43:54.820 And he wrote a book called True and False. And it was about, it was an acting book for an actor,

00:44:03.340 uh, common sense or something like that for the actor. And the first thing you do when you open

00:44:09.400 it up is you read his sort of, I guess, uh, opus or his, uh, his thesis on why you shouldn't go to

00:44:20.520 acting school. If you want to be an actor, just go and act. And I remember reading this book and

00:44:26.460 I taught it for years as kind of like, let's, let's look at what we've learned in Stanislavski

00:44:31.640 and the method and let's talk about all the stuff you know that David Mamet is saying is

00:44:35.940 nonsense like he says there's no such thing as character there are lines on a page that's it

00:44:41.180 Hamlet doesn't exist before his first line and he doesn't exist after he believes that acting

00:44:48.060 schools are almost like cults he talks about how if you have a backup plan you will never

00:44:57.280 fall back on that backup plan so getting your degree and then right just if you want to be an

00:45:03.680 actor go and act now easy for him to say in the sense that he did it he wrote plays he became very

00:45:10.800 wealthy and famous and then went into film and he's a american icon so then he writes this book

00:45:16.800 that basically actors they were offended by it and acting schools were offended by it

00:45:23.360 I taught it for that reason, to see if some of what we were doing was actually hypocritical.

00:45:31.460 But I bring this up because one of the lines in that book is he says,

00:45:36.480 I've never seen a more perfect community of human beings than in the theater.

00:45:43.340 That's what he said.

00:45:44.660 He said, working with people in the theater is for him the most perfect community of people.

00:45:50.840 the actors, the designers, from everyone, the technicians, the writers, the publicity,

00:45:55.820 when you are working in that environment, something happens. And everything else that's

00:46:01.580 going on in the world doesn't matter. Well, it matters, but it doesn't take you away from your

00:46:07.240 task. And I think what happened with the student you're talking about is simply he started using

00:46:13.000 a different part of his brain. That community started wearing off on him. He helped create

00:46:17.880 that and then it just happened and so now um he'll never be the same yes what's going to be

00:46:28.600 problematic for him is if he doesn't follow a little bit of this now and get involved right

00:46:35.880 and sign up for the indie film that they're shooting at the university or saying yeah i'll

00:46:40.940 work on this play and listen theater theater's not for everyone and some people hate it and um

00:46:49.540 quite often even people who are in theater don't like watching theater you get kind of

00:46:55.800 but to me it's all theater and it's it's the oldest saying right no i don't need to because

00:47:03.380 everyone knows it. Well, well, but that's it. I think it's important, but I, again,

00:47:11.420 going back to, and, and it's taken me 22 years to come to it in a play that scared the crap out of

00:47:17.460 me, um, to understand it, because I don't think that for the most of us, I don't think for a lot

00:47:25.200 of us, do we tap into that unless you're burdened by the draw of it or you're naturally inclined

00:47:33.160 to it. And I think it's a part of everybody. And if it's a part of everybody, and we don't

00:47:39.700 acknowledge it, or we don't fan that flame a little bit, I think there's a little bit of all

00:47:44.880 of us and that artistic side that is missing. And that's why I think it's fundamentally,

00:47:49.920 it should be fundamentally the heart. Well, and it is fundamentally the heart of all societies.

00:47:56.280 the arts is fundamentally the heart the soul of all societies and everything else that comes

00:48:04.160 comes from there and the more that we've taken money away from the arts and said you just need

00:48:10.120 to be good at math or you need to code this computer or you need to do this because it's

00:48:13.840 all about money money money that vapidity of soul is the wearing thing it's not to say don't learn

00:48:22.380 how to code and don't become a doctor it's to say that humanity still needs that soul and that soul

00:48:29.320 i think is best connected and you know within that within that realm

00:48:36.380 well you don't have to preach to me i thought ryan was speechless there for a second no i agree

00:48:42.480 i agree i think you know the music side of things too that is uh there's a whole other aspect of

00:48:48.440 that yeah it's it's like every you know every year i think yes yeah well of course everything

00:48:53.560 the smith is all about integrating those things what i'd like to see is what we do at metro in

00:49:00.060 the future is i'd like to see how pedagogically we can integrate music video film visual art fashion

00:49:12.480 acting playwriting into other disciplines yes so that see you can take a course in physics

00:49:20.880 but there's a music unit where the physics of sound are in that and and vice versa how

00:49:30.480 if you're talking about bob dylan is there a way of course you can analyze lyrics that's easy and

00:49:38.760 That could be taught in an English room.

00:49:40.460 What is it about Bob Dylan that makes him so unique?

00:49:44.960 It's not just the sound of his voice.

00:49:47.380 It's the rhythm in which he plays.

00:49:49.200 There's a frequency and a rhythm that people are talking to.

00:49:50.940 And when you try, and I've listened to him for years

00:49:54.040 and learned a lot of his songs,

00:49:56.320 if you actually try to sing when he sings

00:49:59.040 and come in when he comes in and play what he's playing,

00:50:03.220 for me, it's virtually impossible.

00:50:06.060 it goes against the grain of like timing um so the i'm not saying that's math but there's

00:50:14.820 something there there's an element though that fascinates me that if someone was like well the

00:50:19.340 reason he's so interesting is because if he was an algorithm or if he was a program it's completely

00:50:26.300 yeah and so people are drawn to that as much as they're drawn to the same four bar pop song

00:50:32.180 they're also drawn to him because he's the opposite yeah well anyway we i can talk a lot

00:50:39.540 about bob dylan but i think it's not just it's not just the arts that can be in the sciences and

00:50:46.600 the no both you're right right like it's very valuable for kids to find out how actors and

00:50:53.460 designers and directors get paid and they don't understand it when you talk to them about the

00:50:59.320 money aspect and do you know that you make more money if you're in this type of a theater or

00:51:03.080 you know there's the IATSE union and if you're not in the union you can't work on certain types

00:51:08.880 of shows and the reason kids will say well why don't we ever do shows in big theaters well one

00:51:14.620 of the reasons is is that when you go into most theaters in Toronto if they're working with the

00:51:20.580 union you can't just have a student go up and run the lighting board you can't even sweep the floor

00:51:25.980 true i i've been yelled at for doing these things yeah you know everyone has a job if you're doing

00:51:31.960 their job right but what a cool lesson though too well yeah it's a whole lesson in labor relations

00:51:38.380 it's a whole lesson in economic process and i'm sure most kids would rather just do improv or

00:51:42.720 run around and put costumes on but to end it all with you know you i think uh with your comment

00:51:50.100 about you know drama you took it pretend to be a tree look it was the first day there's awful

00:51:56.480 there's a reason that acting teachers get students to pretend those things i'm sure until though you

00:52:05.360 read a great script it's only the most creative most artsy kids that are going to love swaying in

00:52:12.720 no breeze in a black room pretending to be a tree but when you realize that a lot of that is

00:52:20.100 how comfortable am i acting like a tree in front of all of my friends and i'm not doing it right

00:52:26.400 driven by insecurity and yeah right and then it's it's so it's that it's all of those games like i

00:52:31.700 hate those games too where it's like i'm i'm throwing i'm throwing you a ball you catch it

00:52:36.820 and with the sound ah and pass it to that person and then they go oh right um i don't do a lot of

00:52:44.020 that because to me it's always felt inauthentic and i've it's like when people are like everyone

00:52:50.900 let's get ready to rock who was with me and everyone has to chant and you and i are like i

00:52:55.140 don't i'm not doing that part that raw raw yeah well yeah so but if you if you don't do any of

00:53:03.860 of that and all you do is read scripts you'd be surprised I can tell you that I've seen it

00:53:08.960 where I get where I get too cerebral with my directing and with my acting teaching where I

00:53:14.500 make everything about the rhythm of the line the word how something sounds and then I'm watching

00:53:19.420 my students go and going they're still not comfortable in their body they're shuffling

00:53:24.620 they're not grounded they don't know what to do with you told me to be grounded 450 times I still

00:53:29.220 haven't learned it in that play. But there's a sense of insecurity, 100% that drives. So when

00:53:40.800 I first started doing those ridiculous lip syncing TikToks, in my opinion, I was just letting go of

00:53:46.620 the tree in me, honest to God. And I didn't really think anybody was watching for the longest time

00:53:53.080 because I'm like, well, I'm just, except for the people passing me on downtown Oshawa when I was

00:53:57.160 doing that video that you're talking about so there was this separation from audience so i could

00:54:02.420 just act like a tree metaphorically see what it felt like and i actually enjoyed it because i think

00:54:08.080 in some way everybody wants to be a rock star and see what it felt like and then i got all this

00:54:12.960 lovely comments back for the most part nobody really criticized nobody criticized me until i

00:54:17.620 talked about doug ford um and you get all these comments back and then it just but that's but

00:54:24.820 that's it right it's figuring out how do i let go of insecurity or how do i overcome insecurity or

00:54:30.580 how do i just exist in it and live with it suck at something i think that's amazing i think that's

00:54:38.800 more so powerful it's to to overcome it exist with it then right because we're all gonna have

00:54:45.160 it we all want to do well i also don't think it's i just don't think it's necessarily helpful

00:54:51.860 i'm gonna just say and people can disagree with me but

00:54:56.340 we've talked a little bit about this and that is this idea of like when people are accountable

00:55:02.360 for their own issues and now it's almost like well i'm sorry i'm a late person i'm always late

00:55:12.260 i'm sorry it's just who i am right right right you're never supposed to change it's like people

00:55:16.400 now that just say well oh that's me that's on me yeah yeah oh i'm sorry no that's on me i'm a i'm

00:55:20.980 terrible with this like yeah i'm a terrible texter i'm sorry i didn't respond i'm terrible

00:55:24.980 with that and we're all just accepted yeah just admitting that you suck at something doesn't mean

00:55:29.860 that everyone is supposed to just right and i have all my issues too uh many but i am so

00:55:38.660 people now are like you don't care about what people think of you wrong i hate that idea

00:55:45.060 if you don't care what other human beings think of you then you're a narcissist 0.76

00:55:50.980 Okay. You should. Now, do you want the good opinion of bad people? No. You want the good 0.67

00:55:56.560 opinion of good people. But to walk around going, I don't care what people think of me is the most

00:56:01.920 selfish, self-absorbed way of living. I think you should care. It doesn't mean you should

00:56:08.580 change who you are because someone's telling you, I don't like your opinion. Unless you're a dick. 1.00

00:56:13.880 No, but- Well, it's true. But what I'm saying is you would only know you're a dick if someone 1.00

00:56:18.080 if somebody told you exactly okay and why would you change because you cared what they think 0.98

00:56:23.200 okay that's just what i'm saying so how does this relate to you know sort of summing up i think

00:56:30.540 that matters to me like going forward with school and trying to lead young people

00:56:35.500 is that you do need to care about everyone not just you and not just the people you agree with

00:56:44.140 And I think you do that very well. So moving forward, that will be something that I think you and I and the rest of the faculty will be spreading amongst our students. And that is a Wayne thing too, because Wayne did care about what people would say about other students and he would talk to them about it.

00:57:10.520 Like, I heard you. I heard someone said this. Is that true? What did you do on the weekend?

00:57:15.440 Why did you, why did you do that? Is it because you're in love with that? Why don't you just tell

00:57:20.740 them? And then you get on the phone and call the student down. Friend of Sally, please come to my

00:57:27.800 office. And then here comes John. And then there's Sally and Sally's like, I can't believe you just

00:57:32.040 called John down to my office. And well, John, do you know Sally? Yes, Wayne. And, but it's like,

00:57:37.720 people are saying things and they're not true or they are true let's figure it out let's put it on

00:57:42.940 the table now that that's also just because Wayne Wayne did love to be a matchmaker but he he did

00:57:49.780 care what people thought of the school very much right how many times did you hear him say guy

00:57:55.320 you can't we can't have that yeah the parents will think this even though it's wrong they'll

00:58:01.440 think that the students will what will what will the students say right and i think there's a lot

00:58:08.820 of people out there who are in administration maybe in private schools or the public system

00:58:12.760 that would say well that's no way to run a school you cannot worry about what parents think you have

00:58:17.600 to well hello that's why people pay to go to private school because there's people out there

00:58:24.840 saying you can't worry about what parents think well and if i'm not and again it's it's good

00:58:30.200 opinions of good people and the ridiculous thought that there aren't good parents out there who think 0.99

00:58:36.460 great things and we should be listening to them is completely asinine. It's the good opinion. 0.97

00:58:42.720 And on that note, I'm going to wrap it up because we have to go to a meeting right now,

00:58:46.400 but it's the good opinion of good people that we should all be listening to.

00:58:51.900 Well, thank you for hanging out for more. Thank you. Forcing you to do it. If you liked Ryan and

00:58:57.140 you want him to come back on and tell you guys about the time that he was um trained by kevin

00:59:02.420 spacey he would love to come back on talk about that that's not a lie not a lie nope and on that

00:59:08.580 note i will see you guys next tuesday same bat time same bat channel am i robin always okay bye

Unlearn16: Class is in Session - June 11, 2024

The One Where Ryan and I Find The Authentic Metro

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