Unlearn16: Class is in Session - The One Where We Call Their Bluff

00:00:00.000 class is in session oh guys stretch before this episode welcome to unlearn 16 class is in session

00:00:11.720 today i have the one and only lee mcgowan lee what what's your politics project called

00:00:18.020 politics girl project most people probably know me from my kitchen where i'm ranting away or the

00:00:23.440 podcast i enjoy it you're never eating anything no i know i should probably cook 0.95

00:00:29.920 something this like trad wife thing is a big deal i should probably start cooking hop on that you

00:00:34.620 know candace has kind of opened up that door pretty wide and and so maybe there's a better 1.00

00:00:39.200 we're all being sarcastic just in case we have new listeners thinking she wants candace owens

00:00:45.580 no listen you guys if you don't know what um joanna is talking about candace owens has a new book

00:00:49.940 where she's holding a sign much like gloria steinem on the cover and it says make him a

00:00:55.600 sandwich. That's what it says on the sign. Just in case you thought women's rights weren't really

00:01:00.840 under attack. They really are. They just hate us. Sometimes I think about Candace Owens because 1.00

00:01:08.960 obviously she is an intelligent individual. And I think to myself, she decided on her price. 0.76

00:01:16.520 She sat down one day and thought, I can go on being a Democrat and saying all the rational things and not getting enough traction, or in this political climate, I can go against everything that is rational, that I stand for, that actually serves me as an individual in the United States of America, and I'm going to choose option B.

00:01:45.980 Yeah.

00:01:46.780 How many people do you think have done that?

00:01:49.160 Lots. 0.59

00:01:49.920 I mean, 53% of white women, right, who voted in the last election.

00:01:54.680 I understand there's lots of people.

00:01:56.800 I think she purposefully did it to make bank.

00:02:00.340 Do you think she believed?

00:02:01.800 No.

00:02:01.960 So how many people do you think now, milling around the alt-right sort of podcast world,

00:02:10.620 making bank off this mentality who don't believe any of it?

00:02:15.100 I think probably lots, but I think much like anything that you're indoctrinated into, you know, like you can make a decision to make bank. I could suddenly change my mind and become some right wing pundit and they could say, look, we changed her mind. These people pay a lot of money.

00:02:34.320 Like Russia was paying people like Benny Johnson and those guys $400,000 a month retainers, $100,000 a month for $100,000 a video.

00:02:43.440 Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro.

00:02:46.980 These guys are making so much money.

00:02:48.960 It is insane.

00:02:50.800 But you have to, like you said, you decided on your price, I guess, but you have to check everything you know about yourself at the door.

00:02:58.580 And I can't imagine living a life where you look at yourself in the mirror and you know you are such an epic sellout that I think they have to click over in their brain somewhere and start believing what they're saying or, you know, they couldn't tolerate themselves.

00:03:13.320 I think that is the case.

00:03:15.660 Yeah, I agree.

00:03:16.700 I think and I think it's also a slow boil.

00:03:19.660 Yeah.

00:03:19.820 You can only say the thing so many times without actually starting to believe them.

00:03:25.920 You know what I mean?

00:03:26.500 And I think of a guy like Jordan Peterson, because I often, horribly enough, think about Jordan Peterson and how radicalized he's become and where he started.

00:03:38.560 because I watched those old videos of this kind of disheveled, very, very knowledgeable,

00:03:45.460 the professor standing up there with chalk on his pants or whatever, you know, thinning hair and

00:03:51.800 just the idea to be able to understand clinical psychology and make relationships better. And

00:03:57.500 he's all about making the bed. That's fine. And then, and then the, the, the transfer of that

00:04:03.700 to him and that moment that radicalized him. And I think you and I have to figure out what that

00:04:10.860 moment is for a lot of these people. I honestly believe the moment of radicalization, it's like

00:04:18.960 the point of a virus. And heaven help me, I don't mean to be comparing this to the woke mind virus

00:04:25.440 that elon musk is trying to eradicate it's like ground zero it's the point of contraction you

00:04:34.180 know what i mean so i think in that moment there's there is a switch and i think it has we we have to

00:04:41.660 figure out the value in that switch over moment does that make sense to you yeah no it does but

00:04:49.120 But I think the thing is that the people that lead this, let's call it a virus, like we

00:04:58.380 started with Candace Owens or the Charlie Kirks or the Fox News or Jordan Peterson,

00:05:04.100 where he is now, they have made a conscious decision, whereas the people they're talking

00:05:10.180 to are just infected.

00:05:11.880 I don't think they made a conscious decision.

00:05:13.800 I think there were some things in what they were saying that appealed to them, whether

00:05:17.960 they had i know i have an aunt and uncle who were like my favorite and uncle ever um and they went

00:05:24.500 straight down the fox rabbit hole they love donald trump and talking to them is is like talking to

00:05:32.880 people who have been brainwashed like i can't logic makes no sense to them you can't say well

00:05:38.060 what about this well what about that and this doesn't serve you and i think in many ways it's

00:05:41.480 because they are by nature selfish. 0.97

00:05:44.940 They are by nature, wealthy white people 0.99

00:05:47.120 who have no children.

00:05:48.080 So there's no kid in their life that went like, 1.00

00:05:49.980 you sound like idiots, you know, like those kinds of people. 1.00

00:05:52.560 So they've lived their life in a certain way. 1.00

00:05:54.860 They have got to a point where they, you know,

00:05:56.840 they used to like to watch Cops,

00:05:58.480 that show in the eighties and nineties, right?

00:06:01.380 And I was like, okay, I guess, you know, 0.99

00:06:03.940 and now I'm like, oh, they just like to see black people 0.99

00:06:06.120 being slammed up against cars. 0.96

00:06:07.660 Now they watch a show called Border Patrol, 0.99

00:06:10.180 which is the same thing, but with immigrants. 1.00

00:06:13.020 And I'm like, okay, so your brain was already tracked 0.92

00:06:16.440 to believe all this stuff you hear on Fox

00:06:19.080 and you hear on this thing.

00:06:20.200 And it's easier to fall into it.

00:06:21.940 But I don't think it was a conscious decision,

00:06:23.900 much like these people like RFK who know perfectly well

00:06:27.500 that what they're preaching now,

00:06:29.000 the side that they have moved to,

00:06:30.880 is completely antithetical to what they know to be true,

00:06:34.240 to what they stood for, to who they were.

00:06:37.280 And they've made a conscious decision.

00:06:39.200 So I feel like they've purposely infected themselves, whereas a lot of the people that believe what they're saying, I think they just were susceptible to the to the virus.

00:06:49.720 Following the metaphor, then guys like RFK Jr. and and Candace and Charlie, they they went to the measles party.

00:06:59.120 They said, we're going to have a measles party. I'm going to go because I want to get the measles.

00:07:03.820 and then and then after they contracted they just went to the movies and the the grocery store and

00:07:09.740 just saw how many people they could lick exactly yeah exactly and also they got paid to go to that

00:07:15.400 measles party well for sure and they get paid every single time they go to the movies

00:07:20.040 how on okay hmm i know we're at a place we're at a place where there has been this huge push

00:07:32.220 And I don't know if there's a lot. And I've said this to people. Somebody just asked me who I did an interview with. They're like, Joanne, are you hoping to change the people who voted for Trump's minds? And here's what I've decided. No, I'm not. If they change their minds, amazing. I don't think they're all horrible, bigoted or rational people.

00:07:54.220 I think they were very much led and controlled by fear, but I'm not interested in it because

00:07:58.840 I think the only way you change somebody who is controlled by fear is having something

00:08:02.700 else big, bad and scary on the other side.

00:08:05.820 And even though I could press those, I'm not interested in that kind of politicization.

00:08:10.420 Here's what I'm interested in.

00:08:11.580 And I think this is who the Democrats should be interested in or intelligent, rational

00:08:16.460 individuals, whatever political party you come from.

00:08:20.200 The 90 million that didn't vote.

00:08:21.940 yeah that's where i am too i always think like you're wasting your time if you're trying to turn

00:08:27.940 what is essentially a cult member at this point and you know they could have fallen into that

00:08:32.600 for very many reasons like we said um there's lots of reasons you were afraid you things were

00:08:37.600 genuinely too expensive for you you really felt like your livelihood had been taken away which

00:08:42.780 it might have been when your you know jobs were shipped overseas these are not it's not like

00:08:46.680 COVID, was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are legitimate concerns. We can't say that they're

00:08:51.420 not. There's lots of reasons you might've fallen down this rabbit hole. And in some ways you have

00:08:56.460 to give people, some people grace, maybe not people like my aunt and uncle who clearly were

00:09:00.840 doing it because they have hate in their hearts sometimes. But there are people who, and I say

00:09:07.480 that with love, but there are people who genuinely don't understand. They don't understand how our

00:09:16.660 government works. They don't understand how it's supposed to work. They don't understand that we

00:09:20.220 don't make laws for EOs, right? I mean, Donald Trump is just ruling by EO. He's got both houses

00:09:25.300 of Congress. He could easily be ruling through Congress, but he's not because he knows that his

00:09:29.240 stuff couldn't pass because if anyone has to get reelected, they're not going to. So most people

00:09:33.560 don't understand how it works to begin with. And then it becomes very easy for them to be like,

00:09:39.340 well, both sides are the same. You know, like everything is like, who cares if I vote? It's

00:09:44.080 always going to be the same and now we're seeing in freaking less than three months that it sure

00:09:48.480 as hell isn't going to be the same and it's only going to get worse and worse and worse believe me

00:09:52.240 people like me that spent so much time trying to convince people of what was going to happen

00:09:57.020 i did not want to be right about everything i really didn't this isn't like i told you so i'm

00:10:01.860 like oh jesus i told you so it is so bad and it's so bad so fast and i think the only way those

00:10:10.180 people that voted for Trump can even possibly wake up is if they actually feel the pain of

00:10:15.060 what he did after he said he wouldn't do it. The people whose minds we can convince, the people

00:10:19.760 we can actually talk to are the people, like you said, the 90 million who didn't vote, who thought

00:10:24.300 it didn't matter. And if we even get to 26, because honestly, at this point, like when people

00:10:29.700 start talking about the midterms, I'm like, you're out of your mind. This has happened in three

00:10:33.400 months. Like we need to do something drastic before the summer, if we're going to even hope

00:10:39.340 to get to 26. Okay. What is something drastic? I don't know. Before we go there. Oh, you don't

00:10:45.680 know. Okay. I mean, I have ideas. I have a plan. But before we go there, can we just talk about

00:10:52.540 the shutdown or the possible shutdown and then Chuck flipping sides a little bit? Because even

00:10:59.240 somebody like me, who is a little bit educated and is trying to understand anything. You are

00:11:06.420 very educated, my darling. You don't get to say that. I love listening to you.

00:11:10.600 We're in this world of like, do we pass a budget? What kind of powers does the president have? And

00:11:17.400 does the executive have if no budget gets passed? Does that allow them sort of carte blanche to do

00:11:23.600 whatever he wants? In this climate, is it possibly enabling and pushing towards what I think he

00:11:31.380 desperately wants, which is to instill some kind of martial law. Where do you stand on that? And

00:11:38.820 if you know sort of a little bit more of that explanation, so just so everybody at home knows

00:11:44.020 who's listening to this rant, as I got a little lost in my own thought, the government needs to

00:11:49.380 pass a budget. So every year the government, Congress comes up with a budget, they're going

00:11:54.540 to pass a budget for the next year, we're going to spend X amount of money, here's where all the

00:11:58.240 money is going to go. And then everybody sits there and votes on it. And in order to pass the

00:12:03.160 budget, you just need a simple majority, right? In both houses. Well, here's the thing. The

00:12:07.600 Republicans haven't actually passed a budget since a long time ago. The last real budget we had was

00:12:15.940 in the 117th Congress when the Democrats were in charge. What they keep passing is what's called a

00:12:20.260 continued resolution, which is like, we will fund the government for a period of time. But the

00:12:24.560 Republicans haven't for a long time put out like, here is where we think we should spend our money.

00:12:28.940 Here is what we should do. We're still working on this three month continued resolution thing

00:12:32.740 because I know it's terrible. It's a terrible way to govern. It's a terrible way to do anything

00:12:38.140 where we were here. And I think why people were so upset was it wasn't that the opposition party

00:12:43.920 being the Democrats had that much power or control to stop it. The Republicans have a majority in the

00:12:48.680 house. They only need a simple majority to pass. They do. The Republicans have a majority in the

00:12:53.300 senate but because of the filibuster they need 60 votes in this case and so explain the filibuster

00:13:00.040 to everybody listening well the filibuster to be clear the filibuster is a major i think it's a

00:13:05.580 major problem uh because it was not written into the constitution the the founding fathers did not

00:13:10.220 say you know and if you don't want to pass a bill you can just talk it to death and then you never

00:13:16.920 take a vote right that is essentially when you think of the filibuster you think of like that

00:13:20.680 old movie mr smith goes to washington okay so it's like i feel so from scandal you remember when his

00:13:27.880 wife let's see there we go okay so the the concept behind the filibuster was you know if i i disagree

00:13:35.160 so wholeheartedly with this bill you are trying to pass not just a budget any bill you are trying to

00:13:39.560 pass i can get up there on the floor and just refuse to leave just talk about why and really

00:13:45.400 the idea was to change hearts and minds so the public would go huh why is this senator talking

00:13:50.680 so much about this what's happening here and we're going to talk and talk and talk until maybe hearts

00:13:54.680 and minds are changed maybe i'm changing other senators minds maybe i'm changing the public's

00:13:58.680 minds maybe there's a shift in consciousness that is the idea the the good faith idea behind the

00:14:04.200 filibuster that is not how it works anymore so it used to be that you had to talk and talk and talk

00:14:09.400 and never leave the floor so they couldn't take a vote right like you you would wear a diaper you

00:14:13.080 would do a thing right you'd read greenheads and ham like freaking ted cruz did but the point is

00:14:17.880 you make it so they can't take a vote and then the time runs out to take a vote um now you just have

00:14:23.640 to send an email right you send an email and you say we are going to filibuster you don't actually

00:14:28.120 do anything you send an email see it's incredibly weak it's incredibly weak and so what they're

00:14:33.480 saying is to not have a filibuster you have to get cloture which is 60 votes right and that's

00:14:40.280 where we get like oh the republicans have 53 votes and they need 60 votes for cloture to stop a

00:14:47.960 filibuster even though it's not actually happening no one is actually standing there talking they

00:14:52.440 have just sent a little email saying we are going to filibuster you and you need to get 60 votes

00:14:56.520 now this happened all the time when the democrats had a majority right the republicans would just

00:15:02.120 refuse to give them 60 votes they would refuse to give them the three votes they needed the five

00:15:06.440 votes they needed the nine votes they needed to get to 60 and so even though the democrats had

00:15:11.400 the majority they didn't have enough votes for cloture they didn't have 60 votes so they would

00:15:17.560 like not get their passed that's why when people say like i don't understand they promised me a

00:15:21.960 higher minimum wage they have the majority why didn't we get it you're like because they needed

00:15:26.600 cloture 60 votes to pass it and the republicans were like you you know like get out of here we're

00:15:32.040 not giving it to you then the republicans are in the minority i mean the democrats are in the

00:15:36.120 the minority and the republicans need them to get to 60 votes so people were like don't give them

00:15:42.600 the votes that's what they would do to you and everyone in the house voted together to not

00:15:48.600 have this bill go through and then most people in the senate even chuck schumer himself was like

00:15:53.240 we're not going to help them get this passed and then all of a sudden he got himself a bunch of a

00:15:58.840 bunch of democratic senators to vote with them to give the republicans cloture to pass this bill

00:16:05.160 okay and you go oh my god you are not the man for the moment now his theory and i will tell

00:16:10.440 you this i know i sound like i'm going off on a rant his theory is that shutting down the

00:16:15.960 government is bad i agree shutting down the government is bad however the government is

00:16:20.760 already being shut down we're cutting the department of education in half we're cutting

00:16:24.120 federal parks we're cutting you know uh we're talking about cutting this bill itself is talking

00:16:28.680 about cutting medicaid and you know snap and all these things those are all government programs so

00:16:33.480 So the government itself is already shutting down.

00:16:35.680 Plus, the American public doesn't really understand how the government works.

00:16:38.720 So if the government gets shut down and the Republicans control the House, the Senate,

00:16:42.800 and the presidency, they will blame the Republicans, even though the Democrats are like,

00:16:46.900 they're going to blame us anyway.

00:16:47.860 You're like, of course they will.

00:16:49.100 But really, they're in charge of everything.

00:16:50.840 So messaging-wise, you could say they're in charge.

00:16:53.580 It's shut down because of them.

00:16:55.240 But we don't have the backbone to do that.

00:16:58.100 You know what I mean?

00:16:59.100 So I understand shutting down the government is bad.

00:17:01.760 That's its own story. I'll come back to that. Put a pin in that, why we don't have the backbone.

00:17:08.960 The thing is, is that Chuck Schumer's argument is shutting down the government is bad.

00:17:13.000 And the only thing holding back the Trump administration right now is the courts.

00:17:17.840 And if we shut down the government, the courts stop. They stop hearing cases. They stop having

00:17:23.780 these things that are... Yes.

00:17:26.000 So he can do anything unconstitutionally.

00:17:28.380 because there would be no court running if we shut down the government.

00:17:32.040 So like, I understand, I understand the argument, you know what I mean?

00:17:36.320 But it doesn't, I think in this moment, it doesn't matter because we need to say,

00:17:42.260 we will not help you with this agenda.

00:17:44.960 We will not help you get stuff done.

00:17:47.060 We will not like, they're already ignoring court orders anyway.

00:17:49.980 Right. So I think the gist, like, I just don't think Chuck Schumer has the chutzpah for the

00:17:59.040 moment, because I really think he's working with the playbook from 1990, when we would reach across

00:18:05.380 the aisle, when Tip O'Neill would go out with Ronald Reagan for a drink. Like, we don't freaking

00:18:10.320 live there anymore. Like, I just, I don't know what planet you're on, but it's not that planet,

00:18:15.340 right? So I think the thing is, is at this moment, every single corporate Democrat,

00:18:19.500 Every single Democrat that makes money from the government, every single Democrat that's been there for 40 years and has a sweet deal and free airline travel and lifetime pension, those guys need to take a backseat or they need to take a hike and allow the young fighters who don't take PAC money and this kind of people to come in and really speak for the people.

00:18:39.040 Because the people of America, most of us, the majority of us are so angry and we're watching our country devolve and we feel like there's nothing we can do.

00:18:48.720 wouldn't this have been it is it illegal or or you know you said you can send an email now for

00:18:54.420 a filibuster would it have been a moment to have a throwback to mr smith goes to washington

00:19:00.300 yeah this is and talked and educated the the use that time to educate every single aspect

00:19:12.520 of policy of governmental regulation of why we don't want to shut down we we don't want to shut

00:19:20.260 down because if we shut down then the courts go down if the courts go down then this dictator has

00:19:25.480 no no leash whatsoever and explaining it right from the ground up wouldn't have that been the

00:19:31.880 time give the mic to AOC and Jasmine Crockett and let him go let him wear diapers this is this is 0.53

00:19:38.780 what people are asking for now listen jasmine crockett and aoc would have to do that speech 0.67

00:19:43.140 from outside of the senate if you're going to do a filibuster inside of the senate they're house 1.00

00:19:47.020 members but you could put an amy klobuchar there going into a bernie sanders going into an elizabeth

00:19:51.880 warren going into you know a chris murphy those people are ready to fight if you're not right

00:19:57.460 because a couple of those people i don't think can last i love chris murphy um we need some

00:20:04.120 younger senators that well this is the thing you see these senators who are 76 years old and i don't 0.93

00:20:10.760 think this is ageist i don't think this is ageist because bernie sanders is kicking ass right now 0.66

00:20:14.520 and he's old and like donald trump is old and he's doing his thing right like it's not about age it's

00:20:19.040 about uh energy level right like are you ready and we have my 78 year olds she can't stand there's

00:20:24.980 no way she could be up there for hours and hours and hours i mean you you have to acknowledge a

00:20:30.820 little bit of that, but you're right. So we need, we needed people in the Senate that had the same

00:20:36.280 fire. Um, now I guess once they have the votes, they have the votes. I'm super disappointed with

00:20:43.060 John. I know. Like, did you, did you put on that suit just to be an ass? It's like you changed your

00:20:52.540 shorts and all of a sudden you turned into a Republican? Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I've

00:20:58.480 heard two things about him. Either he's taking money or his wife was an undocumented immigrant 1.00

00:21:04.860 for a while. And so the Republican side is, so he's either a sellout or he's protecting his wife

00:21:12.900 because they've threatened to deport her, which is not beyond a Stephen Miller move. Like if you

00:21:18.280 look at what's happening right now, like I think people don't understand that what we are looking

00:21:23.140 at right now in the States. And I say this as someone who is vocal and outspoken and like,

00:21:30.140 I'm genuinely nervous. I'm genuinely scared that they're going to like pick me up one day and send

00:21:36.040 me off to El Salvador and no one will be able to get me. And this is very Gulag Russia stuff. And 0.97

00:21:42.140 it is exactly what's happening here and exactly what these sadists want. I'm not sure if you

00:21:46.540 recently saw the head of ICE on TV, but he was like, I don't care what the judges say. I don't

00:21:54.200 care what the courts say. I don't care what the leftists want. And I was like, the leftists? Do

00:21:58.360 you mean people that follow the constitution? He's like, we'll take who we want, when we want,

00:22:02.620 how we want. And I was like, does anyone hear those alarm bells? Because that is terrifying.

00:22:08.240 That is scooping people up in their daily lives. And it doesn't matter if they are a green card

00:22:13.000 holder an immigrant a citizen at this point they will take anybody and people need to wake up like

00:22:18.520 i keep thinking if you are the super rich and you thought that this administration would be great

00:22:23.480 for you because you'll get lower taxes or less regulation do you want your kids living in a

00:22:28.040 world in which you can just be scooped up anytime do you want your kids living in a world where

00:22:32.360 people are dying and helpless and have no jobs and have so many guns is that how you want your

00:22:38.600 country to be like how rich do you need to be question mark well that's a that's a great

00:22:44.000 question my my my other question is uh that what's his name hooman whoville yeah yeah that's

00:22:51.940 obama's guy tom hooman he he was in the obama administration i go i somebody mentioned it and

00:22:59.220 i went back and under yeah he was um he did look him up look him up right now so i'm looking up

00:23:05.160 yeah because he was a part not not this level but he was in obama's administration not

00:23:13.860 like as a at an fbi level or at a do you see yeah i'm looking him up hold on yeah look him up to

00:23:21.580 know about tom homan borders are borders are no one should be called a czar in the united states

00:23:31.800 of America. I'm sorry. Well, it's just absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. We're going to look up Tom

00:23:39.820 Homan and we're going to look up Obama. Any connection to Obama? Yeah. He was appointed

00:23:44.800 by President Barack Obama as Immigration and Customs Enforcement Executive Associate Director. 0.98

00:23:50.000 Holy crap. That's a long title. Of Enforcement and Removal Operations in 2013. Here's my question. 0.94

00:23:56.400 how why on god why is a guy like obama not speaking on this or bush or any of them

00:24:08.360 why not opened their mouths at all that's what i want michelle obama right now lover for the love

00:24:17.960 of god if she would have just run for president we wouldn't be in this situation harris i love you 0.58

00:24:22.340 I wish you would have won. I'm just saying you decided you're sitting here doing a podcast with

00:24:27.660 your brother while the world is crumbling and it's not political. I know. I know. Listen,

00:24:38.360 here's the thing. I think, I think Michelle Obama has fricking had it with the American

00:24:42.200 government period, the end. Um, and I get it, I get it. I think she's just sick to death of

00:24:47.420 everything. Uh, and I think they destroyed her for years and she's like, you know what? Fuck

00:24:51.400 all y'all and I kind of get that um Kamala Harris I believe should be saying something because she 1.00

00:24:56.500 ran for freaking president and how many of us voted for her and she's just like AWOL you know 0.90

00:25:01.520 what I mean I'm not saying you can't go to a Broadway show I'm saying you also have to be 0.98

00:25:05.060 like this is ludicrous if I was president this would never be happening like stand up Donald

00:25:09.360 Trump never stopped running he lost an election said he won and then ran four years on I would

00:25:14.820 be better and she's just like out to lunch I did a rant a while back if people didn't see it and

00:25:19.740 It's called, Where Are Our Leaders?

00:25:21.880 And I was like, it's not just people like Kamala Harris

00:25:24.620 and it's not just old presidents like Obama and Bush

00:25:27.720 and even vice presidents like Dick Cheney

00:25:32.780 and well, Dick Cheney was chief of staff,

00:25:35.180 but Quayle who helped Pence and Pence himself,

00:25:38.780 who's been more brave than half the Democrats.

00:25:41.180 And also like ex head CIA's, ex head FBI's,

00:25:46.060 you know, ex chief, joint chiefs of staff guys,

00:25:49.000 The military guys, they should all be standing up.

00:25:52.100 It shouldn't just be like podcasters like me.

00:25:54.960 You know what I mean?

00:25:55.280 It should be big, huge leaders because we will follow you.

00:25:58.520 We will follow you. 0.98

00:25:59.320 Now, between you and me, I hope the military is paying fucking attention right now because 0.98

00:26:03.300 their job is to follow the constitution. 0.98

00:26:06.140 They take an oath to the constitution.

00:26:07.640 And there have been military officers who have been online saying, if we are asked to

00:26:15.560 something unlawful which is what you were speaking to earlier which is about like donald trump is

00:26:20.520 chomping at the bit chomping at the bit for military rule for you know to declare martial

00:26:27.000 law on us and that's why in some ways people are like why aren't americans in the streets i'm like

00:26:31.240 first of all we are secondly it's a lot easier to show your you know your dissatisfaction with

00:26:37.160 your government in hungary which has 40 million people total and it takes everybody maybe three

00:26:42.280 hours total to get from the farthest part to the capitol right for us america has 330 million people

00:26:49.480 most people have a job most people can't just fly to dc it is a lot harder so you see all these

00:26:53.640 things happening first of all they don't show up on mainstream media but secondly this man is dying

00:26:59.320 for us to look violent so he can declare martial law on us and then like fire on us and terrify us

00:27:06.120 but the question is what does the military do like um trump was talking about sending the military

00:27:13.080 into chicago to arrest the mayor of chicago right now that has not materialized but i know that a

00:27:19.800 lot of military watchers were watching that and saying like okay watch what happens here because

00:27:25.400 if he does send the military the military can either a decide not to follow that order because

00:27:30.280 it's unlawful b find themselves up against the national guard from illinois right which would

00:27:37.960 meet them at the border if you were coming to like just haphazardly attack then it's do american

00:27:43.560 soldiers fire on american soldiers or do they back down right so these are questions that i think

00:27:49.240 we're going to see the answer to in the next three months when i said before the summer i mean this

00:27:54.440 is the i think we're going to see and i don't mean this because i want to see this this is an

00:27:58.600 absolute travesty nightmare but the more he ignores the constitution the more he ignores

00:28:04.800 court orders the more he ignores this kind of thing um the more the closer we get to some sort

00:28:12.360 of a military action because either he's going to have to use it or we're going to have to use it

00:28:17.520 and then the question becomes does the american military support the unconstitutional president

00:28:24.000 with his unconstitutional orders, or do they support the rule of law and the constitution?

00:28:28.480 And then who steps up as the leader of the military? Question mark.

00:28:33.260 Listen, when I said, I did a video where I said six months, and a lot of people think I have

00:28:38.860 secret information, which I think is hysterical. But my bottom line, my bottom line is I am betting

00:28:46.500 on the men and women in the American military. And a lot of people will be like, oh no,

00:28:55.380 they all support Trump. And I'm like, look, he's becoming more and more of a warmonger

00:29:00.940 every single minute, every single minute. And all of these service people who have served and have

00:29:10.740 gone to maybe wars where they think they shouldn't have gone, he's upping the ante in all those

00:29:15.880 serious. He's succumbing to Putin. Everybody and their brother knows it. It's not even a question

00:29:21.060 of debate. And all of these people for their entire lives, if we're going to talk about how

00:29:26.920 they've been taught and trained, it is an anti-Russia, anti-communist, anti-authoritarian

00:29:34.700 manner. And I'm going to bet on them. And in my head, have you ever seen the movie The Siege?

00:29:41.020 no Lee what you're gonna watch that movie Denzel Washington Annette Bening I'm writing it down

00:29:50.740 the siege the siege is like a late eight late 90s here's the premise uh the the premise is

00:29:59.940 a terrorist attack in New York which is kind of weird because it came out in 99 so 98 so it's

00:30:07.280 like, what did they know? Anyway, terrorist attack in New York. And then there was subsequent

00:30:12.860 attacks. So not as big as 9-11, but incremental. And there was like four attacks and they instantly

00:30:19.400 institute martial law. The head of the military is Bruce Willis. So they target Brooklyn because

00:30:27.460 of the ethno-cultural demographics of Brooklyn. They cut off the bridge. They go in and Denzel 0.87

00:30:34.440 Washington's head of the FBI and said, don't do it. Don't put the military on the streets. That's

00:30:38.660 our job. You can't put the military. The military says, don't put us there. We're not, that's not

00:30:43.440 our business. But once they're in, you can't get them the hell out. Right. And there's this scene

00:30:48.520 in the movie and you'll, I don't want to ruin it for you. Denzel in opposition to Bruce Willis

00:30:55.060 saying, what are you going to do? Are you going to make murderers out of these men and women?

00:31:00.900 Is that what you're going to, cause that's what you're going to have to do now. Is that what

00:31:03.960 you're going to do. And I feel as though we're going to have our Denzel moment. And I believe

00:31:10.000 we have far more Denzels than we have, you know, blind, just following orders, 1.00

00:31:20.040 people of our military. Listen, I agree with that. And only because if you look at who Trump has put 0.89

00:31:27.160 up to run his cabinet, who he's put up to run the FBI, who he's put up to run the military,

00:31:32.940 it's not because he has a huge backbench of massive talent and brilliant leadership and

00:31:39.960 strategy minds it's because these are the people that will do what he says without saying what

00:31:45.200 like that's he's hired based on loyalty not based on skill or devotion to the united states or

00:31:52.340 devotion to the rule of law in fact many ways he's done it for the exact opposite reason right

00:31:57.280 So yeah, many people would call them. Many would say, but listen, here's the thing you were saying

00:32:07.660 that people think you have some sort of secret information. Then you said, you know, they made

00:32:12.100 this movie before, uh, nine 11 happened. Like, what did they know? And I'm saying, here's the

00:32:17.400 thing. You just need to pay attention. You pay attention. Brilliant writers pay attention to

00:32:23.740 the way the world is and they go, this is the logical next step, right? So for you to say,

00:32:29.360 I think it's going to come down to the military, that is the logical next step because it's not

00:32:34.820 going to happen politically. We can see, first of all, the Democrats' leadership is absolutely not

00:32:39.760 up for the challenge at this moment. I think you will see a major sea shift, but it's not going to

00:32:45.380 be political because this man is ignoring politics. He's not doing business as usual. He's not

00:32:50.220 following the constitution and every day it gets worse. And these people are sadists. I mean, 0.98

00:32:55.240 truly sadists. It's too much to get your head around because you go, well, what would I have

00:33:02.560 done in 1938 in Germany? You're like, yeah, people can't get their head around it. It doesn't feel

00:33:07.560 real. And it is real. But like you said, there are so many more people, I wish they were speaking up,

00:33:14.320 but there's so many more people that I'm hoping are having these conversations behind the scenes.

00:33:19.780 And it's like there will be a tipping point where in many ways I'm thinking if I was a logical person and I had power, I might wait for it to be a tipping point where the people who support him, the people who had his back, the people that would take up arms, you know, January 6th style are so angry because they lost their Medicare.

00:33:44.160 so angry because the veterans have been defunded so angry that they lost their social security so

00:33:49.120 angry that they're losing their homes that they are not going to fight for the person that did

00:33:53.460 that to them and then all of a sudden an alternative comes in and god bless us like our best case

00:33:59.320 scenario at this point is like a brazilian style military coup right like and then we're we're

00:34:06.880 militarily occupied for the next 10 20 years until we can get our shit together and then have

00:34:11.900 elections again and that is what happened in brazil literally that's our best case scenario 0.62

00:34:17.480 at this moment like let's play it through let's pray everybody's listening to us having coronaries

00:34:22.900 let's play it through that don't have a coronary it just life is weird life is weird let's jump

00:34:28.500 into obama i like to say obama because man do i miss that man more than any man on the you miss

00:34:36.400 the calm calm into miss sleeping at night miss full sentences but so so let's say he's doing

00:34:45.680 he's having conversations him and bush let's just don't i do not think bush is doing anything i think

00:34:51.260 bush makes money from all of this i think he's the last person that's going to get involved

00:34:54.720 unfortunately let's let's hope that conversations are being had behind closed doors with ex-military

00:35:01.600 with military right now, with people who still don't support yada, yada, yada, push comes to

00:35:06.880 shove. Trump says the military is going into Chicago. The military says, or Illinois puts

00:35:13.620 up their national guard and the military comes face to face with the national guard in Illinois.

00:35:22.100 Then what? Let's say Trump's military, right? The federal military go, we're not shooting these

00:35:30.840 people, this isn't constitutional, we're putting our guns down, then what happens?

00:35:35.560 Then you have to turn that military on Washington and they have to take over because if the military

00:35:41.340 won't follow the commander in chief, you have to replace the commander in chief. And if the

00:35:45.540 commander in chief is telling the military to do unconstitutional things, I think the thing is that

00:35:50.100 people have to understand is that we only have a president based on the constitution. We only have

00:35:54.460 these representatives based on the constitution. The rule of law only exists because of the

00:35:59.220 constitution. If you ignore the constitution, if you tear up the constitution, you are also no

00:36:03.220 longer in power. Your power is dependent. It's like we all agree money only has value because

00:36:08.840 we agree it has value, right? The president only has authority because we agree he has authority,

00:36:15.560 but his authority is based in the constitution. If you remove the constitution, you are no longer

00:36:21.600 our leader because that is not how the system works. And if the military said, we're not firing

00:36:26.080 on these people, we ignore the orders of our commander in chief, then the only next step

00:36:31.340 is not to put your guns down. It's to turn your attention. Do you think in that moment,

00:36:39.360 there's a possibility, I'm always trying to be the optimist. Oh God. Of him walking out,

00:36:45.700 of him saying, okay, I'm done. Trump. No, here's the thing. Trump's never leaving.

00:36:52.260 He's never leaving.

00:36:53.120 He's not leaving in 28.

00:36:54.480 He's not leaving because if he leaves, he's going to jail. 0.99

00:36:57.540 The man is a criminal. 1.00

00:36:59.120 He is a criminal. 1.00

00:37:00.500 He is an international criminal. 1.00

00:37:02.080 The very best we could hope is that he gets on his fucking plane and goes to Saudi Arabia 1.00

00:37:06.560 and never comes back. 1.00

00:37:07.880 But that's not going to happen.

00:37:09.680 He's not going to do it.

00:37:10.900 He has too many people from Kash Patel on who are willing to take his enemies out, shut

00:37:17.540 down news stations, round up anyone that disagrees with them.

00:37:21.000 is willing to do that but i don't think the fbi is do you understand i do understand leaders with

00:37:27.800 zero intelligence zero cachet with those people those people don't like him they don't respect

00:37:33.240 him and it's the same with with freaking pete hegseth you you you decided to disrespect the 1.00

00:37:41.640 military so horrifically right so horrifically by putting this piece of garbage in charge you 0.99

00:37:49.240 think they're going to listen to him when push comes to shove that's just going to be another 0.98

00:37:53.800 reason where they're like oh that's not the guy because if we're behind that guy then that's how

00:37:59.540 we have to go invade panama that's how we have to go to invade greenland and canada and wherever

00:38:05.140 else and send military troops boots on the ground to everywhere to go to gaza and make trump of the

00:38:12.760 middle east the the riviera of the middle east like we want american soldiers to mass murder 0.59

00:38:18.460 people so we can build a beach resort like there has to be enough people that are like yo nah you

00:38:24.220 know what i mean and like i think we we forget like yeah we put pete hegseth in charge of the

00:38:29.020 military very much so he could ask him to do stuff that the military would say no to mark milley

00:38:35.260 mark milley had that job and he said can we just shoot the protesters when he did that photo op with

00:38:40.540 the bible and they ended up you know smoke bombing all the protesters and he was like no we can't 0.96

00:38:45.100 shoot the protesters he was like well just in the legs and he was like no we can't shoot the

00:38:50.220 protesters right like that was mark milley saying that right pete eggseth would be like sure go ahead 0.99

00:38:55.820 like shoot him in the legs what do i care you know what i mean but at the end of the day would

00:38:59.980 all of the military do that to american citizens and that's the question and i think a lot of people 0.99

00:39:05.740 don't realize that that's where we're at most of us are like i'm willing to fight back but like

00:39:10.220 show me a leader to follow, show me someone to follow. Like I'm just, you know, this girl in my

00:39:15.300 kitchen or I'm just whatever. That's why I think groups like indivisible and move on, they're

00:39:20.840 actually doing on the ground work that you can follow, um, to fight back. But in the meantime,

00:39:26.380 you're like, what do we do next? What do we do next? And I think what we do next is, yeah, this

00:39:31.500 is it. Wait for that. Um, who do you think will rise? Here's the thing that's interesting is that

00:39:37.940 crises moments often bring out leaders we did not expect at all right like uh even in the

00:39:48.320 canadian election that you guys have coming up like i wouldn't have said mark kearney was going

00:39:51.840 to be coming out you know what i mean like i just thought you guys were screwed and you were going

00:39:55.440 to elect you know the the elon choice when i was home at christmas in toronto my friends were like

00:40:00.680 trudeau's done like yeah and and and i was like oh my god this is you guys are going to choose the

00:40:05.940 same thing we did. You're going to choose exactly the same thing, the Russian backed candidate

00:40:10.640 who's anti-democracy, who will literally destroy, like you're going to do that. And then Trudeau

00:40:15.900 honestly, patriotically stepped down and put in like a banker, right? Someone that if you were

00:40:21.700 a classic conservative could potentially go, well, I don't want to vote for this.

00:40:26.660 Yeah. You know what I mean? But like, you don't know where these leaders are coming from down

00:40:30.600 here to me it would be great to see someone like aoc rise because she really is a leader she's an

00:40:36.840 actual leader she's unafraid your jasmine crockett's your aocs your maxwell frost you know um i was a

00:40:44.040 warren democrat for a million years i was like the woman's just smart she's just smart and organized

00:40:49.560 you know she's wonky but like i'd love her in charge of our money like it'd be great she started 0.99

00:40:54.680 the consumer financial production bureau just to like make sure we weren't all getting ripped off 1.00

00:40:59.080 all the time and Trump comes in and shuts that down just to make sure the corporations can rip

00:41:03.480 you off. That's the goal. But there are people here, but I think there's also going to be people

00:41:09.320 that we don't even know right now. People that just stand up in the moment. I think it's very

00:41:14.680 interesting that Pete Buttigieg decided not to run for Senate. He was going to run for governor

00:41:19.080 of Michigan, then he was going to run for Senate, and now he's not running for anything. And I go,

00:41:23.400 hmm, he's got another plan, right? There are people out here that are testing the waters and

00:41:31.960 they're all young, well-spoken, non-wonks. And those are the people I want to see. I do think

00:41:41.020 that the base of this country is furious. I will tell you that I think we need more than anything,

00:41:47.600 a democratic tea party. I think we need a party that is pushing the Democrats from the outside

00:41:53.040 like that's primering people like chuck schumer that's primering people that vote against our

00:41:57.980 best interests that is just as annoying as the tea party was to the republicans you know like

00:42:03.020 john boehner quit as speaker of the house because he couldn't take the tea party right

00:42:07.460 that is what the democrats need if we're getting to an election but what you and i were discussing

00:42:12.200 earlier we have to hold up on that can i tell you who i want all right you guess he it's a he i know

00:42:20.040 that's odd because no it's america we hate women it's all right when you choose a woman um yeah

00:42:26.320 because i would have chose michelle i i i honest to god listening to her speak passionately 0.70

00:42:34.060 intelligently she's better than obama she is i was at the dnc uh there's like i was there for

00:42:40.920 all the nights i was there for the whole thing her speech was far and above the best one and then

00:42:46.320 closely followed, if I may, by AOC's speech. But she's, you know, busy doing a podcast about

00:42:51.400 her childhood. And she hates the government. Maybe her husband. Are you ready? And if he's

00:42:59.200 listening, just so everybody knows it was my idea, Jon Stewart. Oh, I have heard this from

00:43:07.440 some people. Tell me why. Give me your whole spiel. Because. Sell me on Jon Stewart. Because

00:43:14.380 I think he's incredibly intelligent. I think he has a wit and a charm about him that is necessary.

00:43:21.840 If you want to pretend as though you don't need wit and charm and charisma to run a country

00:43:25.760 and be elected, you do. You do. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, that's just the way it

00:43:30.840 is. I've watched him get... Have you seen him speak about veterans to the Senate? I've watched

00:43:38.760 him very calmly in a very collected way on his podcast. And when he interviews people,

00:43:44.820 take down governors of states when it comes to their trans policy or when it comes to their

00:43:49.200 anti-DEI perspectives. And he has a boatload of money. I don't think he gives a crap about anymore.

00:43:58.420 And I honestly believe he just wants to say what is right and what is true. And he's not been in 0.81

00:44:05.600 that mix, right? Well, I mean, I have heard people say that because he's unafraid. And I do agree

00:44:13.520 with you on charisma. And I do agree with you. Like at the end of the day, this is a different

00:44:18.520 medium. It's like when people said, you know, like FDR couldn't have been president in the

00:44:25.320 land of television, right? Once you saw him, it would be different, right? If I'm listening to a

00:44:30.200 fireside chat on my radio, that's totally different. But once you get into the era of

00:44:34.460 television, it has to be a different leader. It's how we ended up with a movie star as president,

00:44:38.420 right? A lot of people elevate JFK to being a saint. They're morons.

00:44:45.500 But he was sure good on TV. He's pretty. But he comes from a criminal family. The Democrats 1.00

00:44:52.280 and Republicans alike believe that the election was bought. He didn't really accomplish anything

00:44:57.840 while he was, I understand. But that allowed people to have delusions of what he could have

00:45:07.200 done, not what he did. And this is the only reason RFK is anywhere near any of this.

00:45:15.540 It's delusions of Camelot. And then you elevate the worst the Kennedys have to offer

00:45:22.480 to some degree of, you know, a prince in this kingdom we are obviously watching get built.

00:45:30.660 But charisma matters. But I've always thought charisma and intelligence,

00:45:35.620 in the absence of intelligence, you'll just take charisma.

00:45:41.060 Yeah, but at least Jon Stewart is incredibly brilliant.

00:45:44.560 But he's smart. I think he's smart. I think he gets it. I think he can understand

00:45:49.520 common issues. Like I said, he keeps his cool under fire. I know he's not in government right

00:45:57.920 now, but then he doesn't have the stain of government right now. He doesn't have the

00:46:01.940 stain of the Democratic Party. Because even if you're on the right side of the Democratic Party,

00:46:06.500 even if you're an AOC, even if you're a Jasmine Crockett, even if you're a Pete,

00:46:10.700 there's a bit of a stain. Yeah. That's why I said we need a tea party. Because we need to offer

00:46:17.500 people something that isn't because here's the thing at the end of the day you're not getting a

00:46:21.060 third party that works it's just not how the country is set up we don't have time to get

00:46:25.020 someone on every single ballot in every single state and change a new party and start a freedom

00:46:29.200 party or the green party or the independent it's not going to happen it's going to be a republican

00:46:33.260 or a democrat so what we have to do is have anyway it's just the way it is it's just the way it is

00:46:37.460 but we need to have a way for you to run on the democratic ticket without being being stained by

00:46:43.200 the democratic stain, which is what you're saying. And I know people that want to run in certain

00:46:48.620 offices and they're like, I can't run as a Democrat. I can't run as a Democrat in South

00:46:52.700 Carolina or in Alabama. I can't run. It's like a poison pill. And so I believe we need something

00:46:59.060 that is like, I think it should be a common sense movement because I think that's what we should be

00:47:02.780 talking about is like common sense. Does it make any sense that you work a full-time job and can't

00:47:06.500 afford your food? No, that's like, it doesn't make any sense, right? Does it make any sense that,

00:47:10.360 I want people to be thinking in common sense fundamentals, but I think we need a common

00:47:14.720 sense party. And you can say, I'm a common sense Democrat. I'm not a Democrat Democrat. I'm

00:47:18.620 perfectly happy to ream on Chuck Schumer. I don't need the DNC money. I'm getting money from the

00:47:23.920 common sense party. And you're like, yeah, I'll run as a Democrat because I'm not a fascist and

00:47:29.060 the other choice is this, right? But I am for X, Y, and Z. And that's what I think we need people

00:47:34.620 to have. I think they need to have something else to run on that isn't, um, the democratic

00:47:40.880 brand, which I think is dead and sick and dying. But the problem is in that capacity is you end

00:47:47.820 up just splitting the left vote. My question is this, if you did that, could you get the 90 million

00:47:54.960 to buy in? Cause if you're just going to split Harris's vote, just hand it over. But you're not

00:48:02.100 splitting the vote it would be like you would run in a primary as the common sense candidate against

00:48:05.980 the corporate dem right and hopefully you would win the election to run against the republican

00:48:11.580 then you're a republican against yeah and then when you get into the once you get into congress

00:48:16.560 um or you're a governor or whatever you then push against your own party as well as pushing against

00:48:23.120 the republican party you say actually we're here for a higher minimum wage actually we're here for

00:48:26.700 universal health care when you talk to regular dems they're like don't mention universal health

00:48:31.520 care. Don't do it. And you're like, why not? Everyone needs it. Do you know what I mean?

00:48:35.220 Like if you want to talk about getting that 90 million, what are we talking about? It's like,

00:48:38.760 oh, well, you know what we could do? We could, we could offer, um, we could offer tax credits

00:48:43.140 to surgeons that do surgeries for free. And then we can sort of, and you're like, what are you

00:48:47.700 talking about? We're one of the only developed countries in the world that doesn't have some

00:48:51.680 form of universal healthcare. And we pay more than any other country for less service. And

00:48:56.480 we're the only country in the world where over 300,000 people a year go bankrupt from medical

00:49:01.380 bills, right? Like we're the only country that's dumb. Let's change that. It's ridiculous. 1.00

00:49:06.860 I have spent hours, A, trying to understand Obamacare, B, trying to understand why that 0.61

00:49:15.160 last stat you said is true, which is you pay more money per person in medical care and you still

00:49:24.580 don't have universal health care. Is it simply just because you're still allowing insurance

00:49:31.820 companies rather than collectivizing the insurance company to be, you now have one insurance company,

00:49:37.480 it's the insurance of your state or of the United States of America, that's your health insurance

00:49:43.040 provider, period. No more bullshit, no more compensation, no more playing one off the other. 0.86

00:49:50.500 that's who it is we are going to regulate them is that just it yeah i mean listen here at the end 0.72

00:49:57.120 of the day i was born and raised in toronto right so i had universal health care it didn't occur to

00:50:01.460 me when i was in a car accident at 16 to be like how much is the ambulance like can i can i afford

00:50:06.860 that like you just go to the hospital and get fixed up now i'm not saying the canadian system

00:50:10.680 is not broken it is in many ways it is broken i watched my mother die in the canadian system

00:50:16.100 in fricking hallway care. I was like, well, this is fricking broken. But the beauty of where 0.64

00:50:21.780 America is, is A, it's got money to spend. B, there's 75 countries in the world that have some

00:50:27.180 form of universal healthcare. You could do what Apple does and basically be like, everyone else

00:50:31.120 tried it. We're going to go, we're going to take this from South Korea and this from Denmark and

00:50:35.260 this from Canada and this, and we're going to make a perfect universal healthcare system that goes

00:50:38.940 so firmly with what we believe as a country, as what we say is that we're this land of freedom,

00:50:44.200 right? If we're a land of freedom, you shouldn't get trapped in your job because you need health

00:50:47.520 insurance. You shouldn't get trapped in a marriage because you need health insurance. You shouldn't

00:50:50.680 be trapped in debt because you couldn't afford your cancer treatment. That's not free. We're

00:50:54.760 not free if that's the case. And then everything costs a zillion dollars. If you have the American

00:51:00.040 government as the one negotiator for all drugs, guess what happens? The prices go down, right?

00:51:06.420 You guys, I take ridiculous amounts of Viagra for my lung disease. In Canada, it costs one price.

00:51:11.860 Here, it costs $160,000 every three months.

00:51:16.800 That's what it costs.

00:51:18.420 Yeah.

00:51:19.020 Because it was created for people like me with lung diseases because it is a vasodilator.

00:51:23.720 The side effect was the ED thing because it's a vasodilator.

00:51:29.540 So Pfizer markets it for ED, but it was really created for people like me who needed to breathe

00:51:35.900 better.

00:51:36.840 Now I have to...

00:51:38.120 Oh my God.

00:51:40.520 I feel like I just got such new information. I feel like every drug that we take is actually

00:51:45.880 off-brand. They're all off-brand. They were supposed to do A, but they do all of this

00:51:51.880 better. And guess what? We make a bunch of money off these ways. But this is why it costs me so

00:51:58.600 much money. It's $160,000 every three months because I take 300 milligrams of it a day and

00:52:06.360 because they market it for men that have ed so it's a fortune that drug makes a fortune but for

00:52:11.800 someone like me that needs so much of it it's like well this is this is the street price of

00:52:15.720 your drug so i have to jump through a thousand hoops and it's one of 14 drugs i take by the way

00:52:21.640 to just get my medication every month like i always say like if the grid goes down here like

00:52:26.200 i'm dead you don't need to shoot me i'm done i'm not getting any of my medications that show up

00:52:30.360 monthly right we're so desperate in this country for proper health care that it is ludicrous

00:52:37.160 universal health care in this country would be so smart and we could we could take from all the

00:52:43.540 other countries that have already tried it and we could make the best system that's what the

00:52:46.880 democrats should be running on because guess what those 90 million people need that i'd stop talking

00:52:51.900 about anything else i would stop talking about anything else and that's another problem right

00:52:57.420 is that people, and we see it in Canada as well,

00:53:01.620 when you give me a laundry list of things you're going to do,

00:53:03.680 and I know you're not going to do any of them,

00:53:05.020 maybe half of one, stop it.

00:53:07.940 Give me three things.

00:53:10.940 Give me three things you're going to do

00:53:14.180 and make it clear.

00:53:15.960 Don't give me a concept of a plan.

00:53:17.320 Make your plan crystal clear.

00:53:20.480 Show me the evidence, run on that, drill it home.

00:53:23.580 Simplify your message to such a point

00:53:25.740 that people can actually explain how healthcare is going to work in this country, how they're

00:53:30.060 going to save money and how their friends and family are going to be okay. And I honestly

00:53:34.200 believe people will flock to that message. Yeah. This is what I believe too. I absolutely

00:53:40.380 believe this. But if you talk to corporate Dems who make a lot of their money, because we have so

00:53:45.520 much money in our politics, since Citizens United, you're absolutely screwed if you don't have money

00:53:50.600 because you can't compete with the people that are getting hundreds of millions of dollars from 0.94

00:53:54.260 the musks of the world right so you need all this money so you spend all this time calling for money 0.58

00:53:58.200 right a lot of their money comes from pharmaceutical companies right so they don't want to suggest that 0.96

00:54:04.680 because then the pharmaceutical companies will be upset and then they won't get as much money and

00:54:08.020 then they won't win and then they can't help anyone anyway that's what they say to themselves

00:54:11.160 but really you need to be braver and say I'm not going to take your corporate money because what

00:54:17.580 I'm going to do is this and more people are going to vote for me anyway because I'm offering them

00:54:22.080 something they need and then you need to have the plan because what happens is you get into power

00:54:26.580 if we have a normal election again you get into power and then the filibuster fucks you up in the

00:54:30.620 senate right you say we have 51 democrats that want this and they're like well we're not going

00:54:35.300 to give you eight republicans to vote for this so the next time the democrats have power if they

00:54:39.780 ever have power you have to consider getting rid of the filibuster because you could and then you

00:54:44.960 pass the stuff that people need and you force people to start representing their um you force

00:54:50.900 people to start representing their constituents again, because the reason the Senate was set up

00:54:54.960 the way it is, there's two senators from every state, right? Even though North Dakota has like

00:54:59.040 700,000 people and California has 40 million people, right? We have the same amount of

00:55:03.940 Senate representation, which makes zero sense, right? So we have that already, but it used to

00:55:10.080 be that they thought when the founding fathers created the country, it used to be that they

00:55:13.340 thought that our first loyalty would be to our state, not to our country, but to our state,

00:55:18.640 because that was who was most like us and had shared the most values and for a while that was

00:55:23.420 sort of the case and now it's our first loyalty is to our party and that completely screws us up

00:55:29.140 so when these senators get to the senate like as if texas couldn't use a higher minimum wage right

00:55:33.780 it's an expensive state to live in but you get both texas senators voting against it because

00:55:37.780 their party doesn't want it right they're not representing the people anymore in the senate

00:55:42.100 they're representing the party and if we take away the filibuster they would be responsible for their

00:55:47.040 own vote again in many ways you know like you could see that because right now you don't need

00:55:51.140 to say who's voting for it and who's voting against it you're just like no we won't give

00:55:55.040 you the votes and you don't know who would have voted for and who would have voted against

00:55:58.200 if we got rid of the filibuster which you know i think we should make it more the way it was

00:56:03.660 supposed to be then we could actually see how people were voting and then we could use

00:56:07.360 elections to tell these representatives what we thought of them instead of people being like oh 0.98

00:56:13.400 we need term limits. You're like, well, technically the elections are term limits.

00:56:17.020 It's just that these people can't lose anymore because they're like, I'm a Republican in a safe

00:56:21.440 red state. There should be no safe red seat. There should be no safe blue seat. You should

00:56:25.400 represent the people. That's what I think. That's why Washington left. I'm going to ask

00:56:31.840 a very odd question, and this is very anti-brand of me. Do you think in this

00:56:37.920 podcast anti-legacy media reality that money matters the way it used to?

00:56:48.840 If we have a Soros, look, look, if they've got Musk and we got a Soros, my question is,

00:56:56.840 and you know, Midas Touch podcast is now number one. Four down is Joe Rogan.

00:57:02.960 in this world of access and social media, and this is free, I don't know, $20 a month or whatever I

00:57:13.980 pay for this. In that world, does money outside of money, let's just put the scary money over

00:57:23.260 here for a second. Let's ignore, and I guess maybe this is where I get mucked up. Let's ignore the

00:57:28.740 money where you're talking about John Fetterman having to protect his wife. That's a different

00:57:34.200 kind of money. I don't know that for sure. It could be just that he took a paycheck.

00:57:41.700 Let's ignore dirty money, right? Threats of violence kind of money. In this burgeoning new

00:57:50.720 world, is money going to start mattering less if we're not saying you need big billboards anymore,

00:58:00.500 you need a TV spot because nobody's watching TV, you need a Super Bowl ad, you need your own

00:58:08.000 Bitcoin. Do you think possibly we could be shifting in that direction? Or am I delusionally

00:58:14.840 optimistic. You're delusionally optimistic, but I say that with love. Only because if you look

00:58:21.480 at the right-wing ecosphere, if you look at how many people were turned on this election

00:58:27.360 based on right-wing talking heads, and I don't just mean on Fox, I mean like the people we were

00:58:33.420 talking at the beginning, the Benny Johnsons, the Charlie Karks, but also just like who's

00:58:38.440 amplified, right? There's so much money being thrown at the right wing because if right-wing

00:58:46.500 politicians win, the people who paid money into it, they get their money back, right? They get

00:58:52.100 their money back in forms of tax credits, in forms of deregulation, in forms of whatever.

00:58:56.900 They're getting their money back. Left-wing donors, the Soroses of the world, they're not getting

00:59:02.480 that same financial return, right? You, you put money into a show like mine. Um, and like you put

00:59:08.940 money into Midas touch. If we get what we want, you're going to get a healthier world, a better

00:59:14.660 planet, more fair, uh, country, but you're not getting your fricking money back. Right? So if

00:59:19.320 you are a billionaire, you are beholden to the right wing, because that's the only people that

00:59:24.120 are going to give you a return on your investment. And then when you look at something like citizens

00:59:28.180 united which really is the beginning of the end for our normal democratic process um it was it

00:59:34.780 allowed you to spend unlimited dark money and these people have goals that are everything from

00:59:40.080 christian nationalism to getting women back in the kitchen to like childhood marriage they want

00:59:45.280 to marry little girls again before they know better like these people are creeps and they're

00:59:50.020 using their money to spread the message to get the people that will give them those things elected

00:59:56.220 And money counts, whether it's on social media or on mainstream media.

01:00:00.580 Money counts.

01:00:02.400 It's why, you know, Russia was so effective at beating Hillary, because they were able

01:00:07.900 to, you know, they were able to make her into what they wanted her to be, enough to get

01:00:15.240 people to vote against her, even though it was voting against their own best interests. 0.96

01:00:18.080 Money will always matter. 0.96

01:00:19.480 The best thing we can do is hope to eventually take money out of politics.

01:00:25.900 i would love to see publicly funded elections right like where everyone gets the same amount

01:00:30.140 of money and we're running for the way it is in the uk you get six weeks and we're freaking done

01:00:34.700 like it's not a year round every day talking about politics i'm sure most people would love to be

01:00:40.060 like i would love to not think about this for four freaking seconds yeah yeah send me another text

01:00:44.300 message like i want to kill myself it would be great but we're not getting any of that right

01:00:49.340 just outlined why because i i again i've i've i've definitely backed that messaging i've made the

01:00:55.740 exact same um statement i think it should be in the constitution i think it's clear i think if

01:01:02.940 anybody disagrees with that constitutional amendment it they're they're clearly fascists

01:01:08.140 uh but you just explained how even that can't work because let's pretend i'm a bad guy right

01:01:16.620 I don't give money to Trump. I give money to Charlie Kirk. I advertise on Andrew Tate's

01:01:23.400 platform. I advertise on, you know, Candace, whatever. I just spend my money differently

01:01:31.400 in a capitalist system. I don't ever hand anything directly to the candidate.

01:01:36.000 You don't have to hand anything directly to the candidate anymore. So how the hell do we fix that?

01:01:42.220 Yeah, that's a campaign finance issue that the Democrats did have in the For the People's Act that the Republicans used the filibuster to vote against.

01:01:50.080 And what was in that bill was a removal of dark money in politics that you could only give.

01:01:56.240 You make it so you can only give a certain amount again.

01:01:58.860 It was going to get rid of PACs and super PACs.

01:02:01.660 It was written into the bill.

01:02:03.300 That's true.

01:02:03.780 Because an individual can still only give something like $2,700.

01:02:07.060 hundred dollars. But if I give to a PAC that's called America Good USA, right, I could give four

01:02:13.660 or five million dollars and they can put it wherever they want. And it's dark money and no

01:02:17.380 one can follow it. That was supposed to be in the bill to be disallowed. It was also in there an

01:02:23.720 anti-gerrymandering bill where no one could gerrymander, where election day was a holiday.

01:02:27.680 They had all these wonderful things that didn't get passed because of the filibuster. And so this

01:02:33.840 is the thing where people go, I don't understand why it's like this. And it's because the Democrats

01:02:38.400 were playing softball when the Republicans were playing hardball. And now we're here, you know?

01:02:44.480 Well, and the bottom line goal, the bottom line reality, well, two things. Number one,

01:02:48.960 even if all that, even every single thing you just described was in that bill and was passed,

01:02:54.500 I can still fund Charlie Kirk. Oh, for sure. But then you start passing things like a fairness

01:03:00.500 doctrine for the new millennium, right? Where you can't lie on any airwaves without civil

01:03:06.260 responsibility. Like right now, we don't have that, right? The best thing we can do is civil

01:03:11.420 cases against Fox News where they settle for $780 million, you know, instead of going into

01:03:16.520 discovery. And you should, we need to say like, everyone is civilly liable for any lie you put

01:03:21.680 out there. If it comes from an individual, it, the, the social media hub that, that allowed it

01:03:28.620 to be spread, the Facebook, the meta, the whatever, the Twitter, they are responsible for allowing that

01:03:34.640 lie to be spread. If it is on a network television, they are responsible for that lie being spread.

01:03:39.800 There should be a truth in broadcasting again. We can't necessarily stop people from lying,

01:03:44.240 but we should make it civilly liable. We need to have slander suits again. We need to have, 0.88

01:03:48.140 and the government needs to set those rules, but we didn't do that in time. So if anything,

01:03:53.200 on our way back in, if we come back to any form of functioning democracy, it should be that you

01:03:59.960 cannot lie to the public for profit. There has to be, because it's not the algorithms. The

01:04:05.540 algorithms can catch it. They can catch it. I mean, Meta was doing that for a long time with

01:04:10.700 Facebook. They were like, oh, we'll stop spreading disinformation. And then they realized that it was

01:04:14.500 the hate and the lies that got more traction and they were making more money. Yeah. So they were

01:04:18.900 like, get those algorithms out of there. Just let them spread whatever they want. We'll make more

01:04:22.160 money. More masculine again. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, don't we need more masculine? I mean, 0.99

01:04:27.200 come on. I just, you know, and, and the more that you, you know, we talk about it, it makes

01:04:37.280 so much frigging sense. The, the unfortunate reality, and it sounds so ridiculous, but is 0.90

01:04:45.660 the fact that the 0.1, they're the problem. That's it. The bottom line is the 0.1 of the

01:04:56.820 problem. What I really want to see is I want to see Tesla bottom out. I want to see him default 0.78

01:05:02.860 on the loans that he took. For Twitter, yeah. For Twitter. And I want to see if after that,

01:05:09.440 Trump still thinks he's the smartest man in the room and should be beside him at every single

01:05:14.280 think that I want to see that decoupling. Because in that moment, I think you will see something

01:05:20.980 shake. And for the people, they have to understand that all of the power is them. In that moment,

01:05:29.380 if money's power, okay. Okay, money's power. That means that these people only have power,

01:05:37.100 only have power because we have gifted it to them so you get rid first of all by the way while i'm

01:05:45.920 on here i don't advise anybody to protest a tesla dealership i don't advise anybody to commit any

01:05:53.260 vandalism acts at all ever that's not the way you deal with these people because he wants it

01:05:58.940 he's he's talking about making those individuals even if they're just protesting domestic terrorists

01:06:05.560 yeah don't do that sell your tesla stock get don't buy don't buy that car sell your twitter

01:06:14.400 stock sell all of it speed all of it and watch that weight collapse on them because as we all

01:06:21.080 know and everybody's becoming a little bit more aware of it's not a lot of real money going on

01:06:26.720 in this world right it's a lot of i'm boring against the possibility of me having money if

01:06:33.980 i sold the stock yeah well if you don't have the stock and you can't sell it you have nothing in

01:06:40.860 fact you have negative 44 billion or whatever you're on the line for i think that's the only

01:06:49.980 rational way to operate within a capitalist system to regulate a capitalist system that's it

01:06:57.500 yeah i think you're right i think the thing is is that we actually are in a position

01:07:02.940 where that could happen, where that Tesla stock is really tanking. And if the loan is called in,

01:07:10.620 and it is possible he could get a cash float from Saudi Arabia who helped him the first time,

01:07:15.700 this kind of thing, a cash float from the oligarchs in Russia, whatever it is. But a lot

01:07:21.160 of this is perception. It's how rich you appear to be, what you can do with the money that appears

01:07:27.200 on paper, not the real money. And I think there was an interview a week ago or so where

01:07:34.680 he was on Fox and they were asking him just the softest of softball questions. And by

01:07:39.360 he, I mean, Elon. And he looked like he was going to cry. Yeah. Like he looked, he was

01:07:47.860 like, I don't, it's not going the way I just, I can't. And I was like, this guy isn't really

01:07:53.760 that eloquent on a good day, but like, this is something else. And, you know, we have to remember

01:07:58.340 that before the election, he talked with Tucker and he was like, yeah, if Kamala Harris wins,

01:08:03.220 I'm going to jail. That's what he said. Right. So like, the thing is, is that you have to start

01:08:08.000 taking out, um, the legs of the stool. Elon's one of those legs. Right. Um, and like we said,

01:08:14.820 Donald Trump is not surrounded by the most brilliant people in the world. He's not surrounded

01:08:18.580 by like the, you know, I would say Bannon is probably one of the smartest people that's there.

01:08:23.260 and he hates Elon. Yeah. Yeah. But I keep thinking of that image that is a bunch of rich guys

01:08:32.600 playing poker. So they're all playing poker on a table, a round table, and they're all playing

01:08:37.360 their chips and they're getting their money and whatever. But the table itself, what's underneath

01:08:41.180 the table is a bunch of people bent over. Right. So it's like these guys are all playing their game

01:08:46.180 and we're all the table. Like we're what's their money is weighted on. And the whole concept is

01:08:52.660 what if we stood up, right? Like we don't need to be bent over under the weight of these people as

01:08:59.400 they play this game of money on our backs. We can stand up. And then what would happen? The whole

01:09:03.940 system would flip. And I think that people just need to have a little bit more imagination right

01:09:08.040 now. That's what I would say as like a parting thought. Just have more imagination. It's not

01:09:11.740 all going to be fun. You know, like watch Elysium, watch the siege, watch, you know, read the road,

01:09:18.820 right like these horrifying images these come from somewhere they come from understanding the

01:09:23.880 human condition understanding how we behave understanding what can happen having a bigger

01:09:27.800 imagination like i'm sure that your canadian listeners would never have assumed that three

01:09:32.740 months after our election canada and the u.s would be enemies right like i i don't think like

01:09:38.740 your imagination can't go like wait wait a second what like we have been the number one ally of

01:09:44.080 america we fought with you in every war like what are you talking about you're going to invade us

01:09:48.000 the 51st state what are you talking about like we have to have imaginations that are far bigger than

01:09:52.880 what we have have had before and if that includes using fiction to expand our imaginations do so

01:10:00.240 because maybe the borders do change maybe part you know the western us and the eastern seaboard

01:10:06.080 join canada maybe there's a civil war maybe there's a military you know thing we we don't

01:10:12.480 know all we can do is do the best with what we can stand up for our values speak up all the time

01:10:19.200 somebody said she was going into her an insufferable era and i was like that's me that's

01:10:23.840 where i'm at like i'm just gonna be so no about herself but i was like that's where i'm at like

01:10:29.520 just be unbearably um non-compliant in a world like this be like no i'm not gonna do that you 0.96

01:10:36.320 try and kick a gay couple out of the restaurant i'm in i'm telling you i'm in your face so hard 0.99

01:10:40.480 you're going to be so humiliated you're going to get out that we have to be insufferable against 1.00

01:10:45.360 this kind of um overstep because these people that are doing it are actually cowards they are 1.00

01:10:52.320 cowards and they are stupid and we cannot allow it to happen there's just too many of us who know 1.00

01:10:58.000 better can i on on a parting note and then we we will say goodbye for now for now go watch the siege 1.00

01:11:06.720 I suggested nicely. Well, I haven't done this TikTok. I only did it in a live.

01:11:15.600 We dump the stock. We don't buy Tesla. We dump X and all of those things. And we watch him crumble.

01:11:23.060 And how about 20 million people don't go to work just for one week? 20 million. 20 million people.

01:11:32.020 I know not everybody can afford it. I know I'm not talking to those people living paycheck to

01:11:37.040 paycheck, but I know there's 20 million people that if they didn't go into work and they said

01:11:42.520 why, boots would absolutely shake the foundation. And that's no protest in the street. That's not

01:11:52.180 going to DC. That's not putting you and your family at risk. None of it. That's just saying,

01:11:57.800 i'm not going to work this week until i have a rational government in power

01:12:04.140 that follows the constitution and the rule of law one week

01:12:10.360 yeah i mean it's certainly better than fighting each other in the street

01:12:16.120 i think it's a good idea and on that note lee's gonna go and watch the siege

01:12:21.980 and i'm going to contact 20 million people good and i will see you next tuesday

01:12:28.340 same bat time same bat channel thank you so much for dying dismissed

Unlearn16: Class is in Session - March 18, 2025

The One Where We Call Their Bluff

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