Vulgar History - International, part 19： Hortense Mancini's Escape (pt 2⧸6)

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast. My name is 0.73

00:00:17.740 Anne Foster and this is part two of, I mean, I'm going to say asterisk number of episodes

00:00:25.680 about Hortense Mancini. Because frankly, I'm just writing up my notes for the episodes. When I get

00:00:32.740 to the number of pages, it usually takes to be an episode. I'm like, okay, time to do an episode.

00:00:37.340 So I don't know. It's going to be at least three. It might be four. We've never done five. So I

00:00:42.820 guess we'll just see where this all takes us. Hortense Mancini. Last time we talked about,

00:00:48.380 she was the niece, one of the nieces, the Mazarinettes, the nieces of Cardinal Mazarin,

00:00:53.020 and he married them all off to various people for power reasons. Hortense was his favorite.

00:00:59.720 And so he married her to the richest man in France, who is a man that we're calling AC,

00:01:06.240 who was terrible. If you peaced out of last episode before we got into the details of their

00:01:11.360 horrible marriage, just know it ended with Hortense deciding to leave him after having had

00:01:16.320 four children. She's like 20 years old at this point, I think. And yeah, so my sources, 0.88

00:01:22.240 i think it's a lot of the same stuff as last time but maybe some new stuff so to recap there's the

00:01:27.860 book mistresses sex and scandal at the court of charles ii by linda porter the king's mistresses

00:01:33.000 the liberated lives of marie mancini princess colonna and her sister hortense duchess mazarin

00:01:38.140 by elizabeth c goldsmith and then also an article called marie mancini writing for her life by sarah

00:01:44.140 nelson i'll put the link in the show notes but that was on tnfonline.com got some quick facts

00:01:49.760 from Britannica.com and Wikipedia.com. So yeah, we're just going to pick right up where we left

00:01:56.200 off last time, which is that Hortense was ready to leave her husband. And here's how she did it. 1.00

00:02:02.720 So she had all these sisters. She also had her brother, Philippe, who I'm a fan of Philippe.

00:02:09.680 Honestly, I don't know a lot about him, but I do know that he was always there for her.

00:02:14.040 And Mazarin disinherited him, which makes me just assume he was cool. On the night of June 13th,

00:02:19.760 1668 Hortense ran away and her plan went like this her brother Philippe provided her with a

00:02:26.720 carriage which she needed because she was going great distances and AC had locked up Hortense's

00:02:32.400 own carriage and Philippe also remained behind to help cover for her so it's not specifically like

00:02:38.520 you know like where you put stuffed animals and pillows in your bed and you pretend like you're

00:02:42.560 still there but it's kind of like that in the grand scheme of like actual life or death stakes

00:02:47.400 situation so he was there also just to make it seem like he didn't he wasn't one of her accomplices

00:02:52.600 she was accompanied by philippe's servant narcisse now narcisse was a character in the greatest tv

00:03:00.420 show of all time rain not that same person but the same name and so i have a good feeling about

00:03:06.460 this narcisse and also hortense was accompanied by her servant nanon and i have to say nanon

00:03:13.420 stays with her i think throughout everything like nanon could not be a more faithful better

00:03:19.740 more devoted servant nanon and hortense were both disguised in men's clothing hashtag pants on oh

00:03:27.420 which reminds me that in the merch store i've got the first ever pants or the first in quite a while 0.93

00:03:33.900 like literal pants you can buy because it was pointed out to me by a member of the tits out

00:03:37.560 brigade we're talking so much this season about women you know the pants on is becoming kind of 1.00

00:03:42.460 a new slogan I like to say. So there are some comfortable joggers, a fashionable jogging pant 1.00

00:03:49.100 that says on them, hands on, tits out. There's also other cute things with that slogan. There's 0.97

00:03:54.420 like t-shirts, there's like a racerback tank, basically all things that I want for myself. 0.98

00:03:57.860 There's a sports bra, which I just thought was LOL to have a sports bra, the most tits in 0.98

00:04:03.460 garment you could possibly wear that says tits out on it. Anyway, vulgaristory.store, 0.99

00:04:07.560 just if you want to shop the sale so in this installment of women in pants

00:04:12.400 so yeah ortaz and nanal were wearing pants ortaz later wrote her memoir and we're going to talk

00:04:17.580 about that but i just want to quote from her memoir at this point because she gave some real

00:04:21.100 talk about the fact that their pants disguise did not work well it was not believable they were

00:04:25.940 truly greta garbo in the queen christina movie just like clearly women in pants she wrote we

00:04:31.680 had been recognized as women almost everywhere nanal was always slipping up and calling me madame

00:04:36.400 neither for that reason or because my face gave away some hint of my sex people watched us through 0.89

00:04:40.860 the keyhole after we shut the door to our room and they saw our long hair which we let down as

00:04:44.820 soon as we were alone because we were very uncomfortable with it up under our men's wigs 0.94

00:04:48.660 nanal was extremely small and she looked so unnatural dressed in that way that i could not 0.97

00:04:52.940 look at her without laughing so like not amazing pants disguises but good enough frankly so they 0.63

00:05:00.080 left paris and so there's a whole thing like when you read the biographies of her there's a lot of

00:05:04.560 like, to leave Paris, you have to go this way. But AC would know that's the way they were going. So

00:05:08.420 they had to go this other way. Like, Philippe had figured out with other allies, like a route for

00:05:12.480 them to go. So they were leaving the gate, like, I guess there's a gate to enter Paris, where they

00:05:18.620 met a guy called the Chevalier de Rohan, which is the same name as one of the people from the tale

00:05:24.120 of Jean de Lamont and the necklace. But I think it's just a common last name. Who knows? Chevalier

00:05:30.600 de rohan so we know from the chevalier day on that's the word that means knight so this is like

00:05:35.240 an important knight type person so he wasn't coming along with them but he had volunteered

00:05:40.420 his squire courbeville to act as their man escort philippe and rohan had worked closely in the

00:05:47.260 preceding weeks to ensure the safe and fast transport out of the city for hortense so the

00:05:52.080 two women and courbeville traveled by carriage postal coach which was a more anonymous way to 0.95

00:05:57.760 travel because fancy people weren't thought of to be in, postal coaches, open buggy, and then 0.95

00:06:03.760 horseback covering 250 miles in two days. They wound up in Nancy, capital of the independent

00:06:09.960 duchy of Lorraine, where Charles, the Duke of Lorraine, had agreed to let her stay until she

00:06:14.640 could get transportation out of the country because her goal, to recap, is to get to Rome,

00:06:19.120 to get to her sister Marie, because Marie was also an accomplice and was happy to help her,

00:06:24.460 and also if she was in rome then it would be harder for her to be ordered back to france

00:06:29.900 because she wasn't supposed to be leaving so charles the duke of lorraine who they're staying

00:06:34.180 with had tried unsuccessfully to marry her sister marie years before and he still held a flame for

00:06:39.320 marie so he was happy to help out hortense to make her way to marie because these two women

00:06:43.720 we're gonna get into more about marie later as well like they just people they met were just 0.97

00:06:49.300 devoted to them for life, which helps out when you're like on the run. So the French court sent

00:06:55.400 orders that Hortons had to be sent back, but Charles ignored the orders and instead provided

00:07:00.180 her with 20 armed guards for their continued safety through the Swiss Alps, which is, I'm not

00:07:06.380 super strong on my knowledge of like which country is where in Western Europe, but they have to like

00:07:10.940 do a von Trapp family, climb every mountain situation through the Swiss Alps to get from

00:07:16.320 France to Italy. En route, they stopped in the town of Altdorf, high in the mountains,

00:07:21.920 where they learned that travelers leaving Switzerland for Milan had to quarantine due

00:07:26.880 to the threat of plague. And this was a lengthy quarantine period, which I think we can all

00:07:31.880 relate to in this COVID monkeypox era. And so they just settled in for a long wait in Altdorf,

00:07:37.900 like they just couldn't leave because it's quarantine. But it was maybe a good thing to

00:07:42.120 stop there for a bit because Hortense had injured her leg while they were making one of their

00:07:46.120 getaways. And the injury had been aggravated by all the journeying, you know, carriages and

00:07:50.380 horseback riding, not great for a leg injury. And as we all know, not all doctors in Europe in this

00:07:55.080 era knew what they were doing. Famously, they tried to treat Christine of Sweden with brandy

00:08:00.480 and peppercorns. So she was concerned gangrene might set in, which was a concern that made sense.

00:08:07.740 She set up in a small room and wouldn't let anyone in except for Nanon and Corbeville

00:08:13.140 as she convalesced. Corbeville was especially helpful. So he apparently had some skills. I

00:08:18.840 don't know, you know, like leg massage or whatever. She later wrote she thought that her leg would

00:08:23.840 have had to be amputated without his help. And then also he became her lover, which good for

00:08:31.160 her. Frankly, she's been with AC for, I forget what, like seven years. Like she needs to have

00:08:36.260 some fun. So AC sent a representative after her demanding she return. And she was like, pass. 0.98

00:08:42.120 ass but this guy so he's kind of like following along the same route and he had found two letters 0.98

00:08:47.820 at the inn where hortense had stayed before like she just carelessly left these letters behind i 0.85

00:08:52.080 guess and these letters proved that she'd been plotting her escape for a long time ac came to

00:08:56.900 the wrong conclusion which was that hortense was sleeping with rohan which was corbeville's boss

00:09:02.300 and then ac was just like freaking out about her leaving and sort of like an anne boleyn

00:09:07.220 adjacent moment. He accused her of incestuously sleeping with her brother, Philippe, which she

00:09:13.800 was very much not. Nobody in Paris believed the incest accusation, but Hortense leaving had

00:09:19.800 some bridges, like with her sister, Olympe, and also with the king. It was just harder for people

00:09:24.660 to be sympathetic to her when she had done this thing of leaving. It was easier to be sympathetic

00:09:30.460 to an abused woman who was trapped, I guess, instead of someone who takes her life into her

00:09:35.560 own hands whatever so the king did believe the parts of ac's libel saying that she'd been sleeping

00:09:42.180 with rohan and so the king punished rohan by stripping him of his titles and plunging him 0.93

00:09:47.100 into debt but eventually the quarantine ended or she was just like fuck this and left and so they

00:09:54.120 headed for milan which so again sound a music moment they climbed every mountain got to milan 0.98

00:10:01.020 and that's where she was going because marie was coming there to meet her even though marie lived

00:10:04.100 in rome marie was so happy to see her remember they had gotten so close last time marie came

00:10:10.340 along with her husband lorenzo who is not the best husband but he's also not the worst husband

00:10:18.140 in the story because ac like who could be worse than that yeah so lorenzo sucked he didn't like

00:10:25.120 having hortons there he didn't like her again it's just like compared to ac like no one's that

00:10:30.660 bad, but Lorenzo is pretty bad. So he had received letters from Paris warning him against welcoming

00:10:35.540 Hortense. So people really poisoning everybody against her while AC was just having, he wanted

00:10:40.860 to make it that no one would let Hortense stay with them. But Marie liked Milan so much more

00:10:47.200 than Rome that she was kind of dawdling returning there for a while using Hortense's presence as an

00:10:52.080 excuse to maybe stay there longer because she just liked it there better. Philippe also caught up

00:10:57.140 with them by now with their brother so it was a fun sibling union so it's the first time in eight

00:11:00.860 years that these three had all been together in the same place they persuaded lorenzo to let them

00:11:06.560 go for a holiday to venice where they enjoyed theater opera and more social events for hortense

00:11:11.440 to shine like the star that she was so they finally got to rome and it had been by now four

00:11:17.160 months since hortense left paris pressure from french emissaries was increasing on lorenzo who 0.96

00:11:22.420 didn't want to keep her in the house because it was stressful for him and also he sucked

00:11:26.820 also news of Hortense's affair with Courbeville was now public not sure how even Marie and Philippe

00:11:33.340 were mad about this they demanded that he be sent back to France I don't know if it was just like

00:11:37.340 Hortense having an affair like was bad for her case or whatever or if it was just they didn't 0.99

00:11:42.560 like that she's sleeping with a servant so Hortense didn't want to dismiss him because she

00:11:47.640 liked him, but ultimately his own behavior made it kind of forced her hand. So Corbeville claimed

00:11:53.400 that Rohan, his former employer, had been attempting to poison him and he was just going

00:11:57.720 on and on about it. And eventually Hortense was like, you gotta go. But also he probably was

00:12:02.640 being poisoned. Like this is the story, like the stakes in the story are very extreme. So her

00:12:08.180 Italian family connections helped her sort out a new place to live. So not with Marie and Lorenzo.

00:12:13.600 So she was staying at the convent at the Campo Marzio where her aunt Anna Maria,

00:12:19.560 a sister of their mom, slash also a sister of Mazarin, was the abbess.

00:12:24.480 And Nenon got to stay there as well.

00:12:26.120 Like Nenon, it's like if they're going to do a movie with this,

00:12:28.640 I think Nenon is a good like narrator of it sort of thing.

00:12:33.560 By the way, just to catch up with Corbeville, he was eventually caught

00:12:36.400 and he was incarcerated in a papal fortress in the Mediterranean city of Sivatevecchia.

00:12:42.940 Marie demanded that Hortense be freed from the convent.

00:12:46.500 So I guess Hortense hadn't chosen to stay there.

00:12:48.280 Maybe she, I don't know. 0.99

00:12:50.340 Marie just didn't want her to be there. 0.94

00:12:52.060 Then Marie was told that AC was the only person who could demand that Hortense be freed. 1.00

00:12:57.100 So Marie was just like, fuck this and helped Hortense escape 0.98

00:13:00.260 because Marie was just like really into the spirit of things by now. 0.98

00:13:03.160 So they went back to live at Marie and Lorenzo's house again.

00:13:06.380 Hortense wrote letters to try on behalf of Corbeville to try and have him freed from being imprisoned.

00:13:10.960 she eventually pulled some strings with powerful people to get him released and then corbeville

00:13:16.340 disappeared without a trace so pretty suspicious and he is probably murdered by somebody but then

00:13:23.780 you know sister reunion so marina hortense threw their attention into having great parties and

00:13:28.520 staging plays which they would act and dance in the local gazettes which were like one step up

00:13:34.240 from pamphlets sort of thing the history of like the publication of words becomes important

00:13:41.440 in this so the local gazettes wrote breathlessly about everything the sisters did which was 0.87

00:13:47.980 if you remember from the christina of sweden episode like roman society was like women can't

00:13:52.120 sing in harmony and also there can't be theater and stuff so it's like pretty scandalous for roman 0.98

00:13:57.320 society for women to be like whatever walking down the street and these two were doing more 1.00

00:14:01.920 but they were doing that also they moved around town on their own without escorts in carriage or

00:14:07.200 by foot one of the gazettes wrote that they were sumptuously dressed and were mistaken by some

00:14:13.260 spanish gentleman for nymphs of the bordello so they looked like sex workers apparently honestly

00:14:20.200 like of course they're just like walking around because there's going to parties there's nothing

00:14:23.380 else for them to do because they're just waiting for the result of hortense's legal battle so they

00:14:28.340 just spend their time looking fabulous and going to parties and being like the most famous people

00:14:32.220 in town among the most famous people in town because you know who else was there simultaneously

00:14:37.180 to this was queen christina of sweden cameo appearance um this was in her later years era

00:14:45.020 when she was just living at that house you know growing oranges and stuff and so she declared

00:14:51.180 christina that she would welcome hortense as a resident at her palazzo but later she was talked

00:14:57.060 out of it, probably by Azzelino or somebody. Just because Hortense was such a scandalous person,

00:15:02.160 it was kind of like, I don't know. I would have loved these two to have had a moment together.

00:15:07.220 Hortense was a beautiful woman, as we know. I was thinking about how she was nine years old,

00:15:13.240 and all the men were just like, she's the prettiest person we've ever seen.

00:15:16.760 I was trying to think about who to relate that to. I've seen pictures of,

00:15:22.380 you see pictures of current celebrities when they were young, and people who are pretty,

00:15:27.060 now we're really pretty then but the extreme the extreme effect that she had on people like people

00:15:32.680 thought she was so beautiful i'm gonna relate it to even though she's not italian like elizabeth

00:15:37.560 taylor who is somebody who like as a little girl she was in what was it national velvet and stuff

00:15:44.360 she's just like so beautiful and then she grew up and she became a beautiful woman but like even as

00:15:49.700 a girl it was just like she was like supernatural it's like of course she became a movie star like

00:15:54.160 she just looked so, you know, Elizabeth Taylor had that thing where she was, she had purple eyes

00:15:59.140 and like her eyelashes, she had some sort of like eye situation where she grew like two rows of 1.00

00:16:03.200 eyelashes. So it's like, she always had falsies on. Like Hortons was so very beautiful. Even I

00:16:09.020 just posted a bit ago for me, a bit longer ago for you on Twitter, just about Hortons part one, 0.99

00:16:16.640 I posted a picture and somebody, I remember the tits up brigade was like, oh, she's so pretty. 0.98

00:16:20.080 I need to draw her. And I was like, yeah, that is the effect that she had on all of the artists 0.72

00:16:24.480 of Rome. So yeah, she was a frequent model for portrait painters. Everyone who saw her was just

00:16:30.180 like, please let me paint you. It's like when famous people are like, yeah, I was just in the

00:16:34.940 mall and somebody was like, be a model. She just had this effect on people. Her portraits became

00:16:39.760 so coveted that two gentlemen had nearly fought a duel over one of them until Lorenzo interfered,

00:16:46.020 like a duel not over her just over a painting of her her portraits were copied and sold as prints

00:16:51.140 like miniatures of them were sent to everybody so in a short time her image became the face of

00:16:56.320 beauty in european painting like not just in rome but all over the place just she was so beautiful

00:17:02.520 people love portraits of her which is also interesting because this was an era i mean

00:17:07.400 she's like a fair-skinned woman but this was an era where like blonde hair was kind of the look

00:17:13.680 and she had like, if you see, there's like a gazillion portraits of her. She sort of looks

00:17:18.440 like Marina Sirtis as Deanna Troi on Star Trek Next Generation. Like she's got black hair and 0.74

00:17:24.740 sort of like an olive complexion and really dark eyes. Like she's just really, really beautiful

00:17:29.120 looking. And so her sisters, so like she and her sisters were all kind of like a sensation yet

00:17:35.080 again. An art historian said that just like the way that her image went everywhere was an

00:17:42.080 iconographic success without precedent. Like never before had one person been so popular as a subject

00:17:48.480 of art. So numerous portraits of both sisters were done. Marie, also beautiful, although she was

00:17:53.220 apparently like the least beautiful of the Masarinets, which is like, I don't know, it's like

00:17:58.600 the least delicious of a batch of chocolate chip cookies. Like, still great. So painters flocked to

00:18:05.700 the palazzo, to Marie and Lorenzo's house for the honor of painting them. So they were painted

00:18:11.000 separately. They're painted together. Often paintings of the sisters are blended with those

00:18:15.020 of mythological women. Like there's a painting of Hortense as Cleopatra. There's one of her as

00:18:19.760 Aphrodite. There's one of her as an Amazon. There's one of her as quote, an Oriental queen.

00:18:25.280 She was also painted as a goddess Diana. Like it's giving Helen of Troy, you know, like she's

00:18:30.720 just the most beautiful woman in the world. The paintings of Hortense from this era, of which a

00:18:35.540 lot still are around, they show her always painted against a sky in a natural background. Unlike

00:18:40.600 other beauties painted of this time, including her sister, who are always placed against an

00:18:45.760 indoor wall. So it wasn't just Hortense. It's like, oh my God, she's so beautiful.

00:18:50.100 It's also her whole story was captivating. Like she was seen as this free spirit,

00:18:55.040 someone who defied convention, someone who couldn't be tamed. Like she had to only be

00:18:59.960 painted against nature. No walls could confine her. And so yeah, everyone all over Europe by

00:19:06.300 now is breathlessly following. What would she do next? Like this beautiful woman who is like so

00:19:12.300 independent and doing her own thing. So remember from a Christine of Sweden story where the one

00:19:17.800 Pope died and the new Pope came in and he was like, I hate fun. And he canceled like public

00:19:22.660 performances of plays and stuff, but private performances were still allowed. So Marie kept

00:19:28.220 on staging concerts and performances at her palazzo featuring both her and her sister in

00:19:33.760 the ballets because they were so famous everybody wanted to see them acting in it as well i'm sure

00:19:38.300 despite all of this fame it's the same thing today where it's just like what's it called you know

00:19:44.800 when people say like i'll pay you in attention or whatever it's like that doesn't pay the bills like

00:19:51.540 they were posing for these portraits but they weren't paid for it i guess i don't know anyway

00:19:56.620 she was running low on funds because well lots of reasons like ac had cut her off entirely marie and

00:20:02.980 philippe had both been forbidden by i think the king to help her out or to support her financially

00:20:09.700 like she had to leave marie's house because she was not to stay with her anymore so she had to

00:20:13.920 rent accommodations which is another bill and then philippe was summoned back to french court

00:20:18.980 because the king had found him a wife and hortense was like you know what i gotta just see this

00:20:25.120 through so she decided she'd go along with him to try and figure out a separation like a formal

00:20:30.120 separation of assets with AC so she could get some money and just like move on with her life

00:20:34.580 and so she headed back to France but she was in no hurry Philippe was in no hurry so they just

00:20:42.960 kind of took their time getting there like he wasn't super excited about his arranged marriage

00:20:47.700 and she you know she knew she needed to hash things out with AC but she was kind of like you

00:20:52.540 know that can wait so ultimately it took them six months to get there and this is not a journey

00:20:58.500 that should take six months if you're just like going. But since everyone is paying attention to

00:21:03.300 all of Hortense's movements, because she was this famous celebrity, the public were curious to know

00:21:08.420 why this trip was taking so long. They saw her dawdling as like an act of defiance, which maybe 0.99

00:21:13.780 it was. So they finally got to France, where they settled in the town of Nevers, possibly pronounced

00:21:20.940 Nevers, which was on the main route towards Paris. Philippe was technically the Duke of Nevers.

00:21:27.680 so this was his region so he had a place there and so they just were like what if we just like

00:21:33.480 chill here for a while before we like go to paris so they hung out of nevers hosting theatrical

00:21:39.080 shows um having dances late night banquets just like having a good time which they deserve after

00:21:45.080 everything they've gone through ac was of course going bananas he acquired a warrant to arrest and

00:21:51.240 forcibly return hortense to him this document was delivered to the city council of nevers

00:21:55.620 where the city fathers, offended by his show of force, refused to comply. The king backed

00:22:02.480 them up, the city, the city fathers saying Hortense should not be molested. AC did not

00:22:08.000 take this well. He was, as we know, not a man who liked being told no. And since Hortense wasn't

00:22:14.220 there, he eventually took out his rage on the priceless art collection he had inherited from

00:22:19.540 Hortense's uncle, Cardinal Mazarin. So remember, it was like the greatest art collection in all

00:22:24.600 of Europe or whatever. And like Mazarin wouldn't even let people see it and stuff. Well, a lot of

00:22:29.660 it was naked people, you know, like naked statues, like sexy paintings, et cetera. So early one

00:22:36.960 morning, AZ, a person with some real hangups. Remember he tried to get the milkmaids to be

00:22:42.760 like less sensual, butter churning or whatever. Like he's got some issues and he's working them

00:22:48.300 out on other people. So he carried a hammer, a knife, and a bucket of black paint. And for an

00:22:53.200 entire day, he spent the day either painting the black paint to cover up the genitalia on the 0.90

00:22:58.960 paintings, hacking off the naughty bits from all the sculptures and slashing all the tapestries.

00:23:05.700 His servants tried to stop him because again, this was the greatest art collection ever assembled in

00:23:09.840 Europe, but he would not be restrained. So like these are works by like da Vinci, like Raphael,

00:23:16.780 Titian, like incredible pieces of art. And he was just like wrecking them because his wife had left

00:23:21.540 him so he only stopped due to exhaustion like in the south when he collapsed and the next day a

00:23:27.640 courier came from the king telling him to stop but it was too late news of the crime spread

00:23:32.280 gazettes and pamphlets were published mourning the loss of the art and this was actually good

00:23:37.400 news for hortense because it swayed public opinion back towards her and public opinion would play a

00:23:42.340 part in how the judges would eventually decide on her whole case of like separating from ac 1.00

00:23:47.060 See, all that she was asking for, frankly, was she wanted permission to live in a convent of

00:23:53.660 her choice in Paris, where she could receive visitors at will. She didn't want to have to

00:23:57.860 accompany AC on his long trips to boring parts of the country, and she wanted to be able to

00:24:02.120 choose her own servants. So she's not asking for that much, really, you know? So finally,

00:24:08.060 Hortense and Philippe traveled from Nevers to Paris. Well, en route, she got a message

00:24:12.240 directing her to go to the Abbey Notre-Dame-du-Lis, a school slash residence for young

00:24:17.040 noble women under the protection of the crown. The abbess was not super keen to have this like 0.97

00:24:22.240 famously scandalous woman living there, but Hortense was on excellent behavior the whole time.

00:24:28.560 After two months, the king attempted an intervention, like a mediation to try and

00:24:33.300 like sort things out with her and AC. Thank God she didn't have to meet with AC, but he summoned

00:24:37.120 Hortense for an audience with him, the king. And he was like, look, do you want me to like

00:24:41.880 mediate you and your husband and she was like i'll think about it but ultimately she knew that

00:24:47.420 that would never work out like ac would never give her up and so she chose to flee again at this time

00:24:53.700 she was accompanied by a chaperone named madame bellizani whose job was to make sure she went

00:24:59.040 right to rome and behaved herself on the journey so no more you know dawdling etc her trip was

00:25:04.780 again fodder for gazettes the pamphlets and gossip but even though she had this chaperone with her

00:25:11.040 she managed to arrange a route where all the stops were in places where she had friends. So she got

00:25:14.380 to just like hang out with them, whatever, like go to parties and things. Three months later,

00:25:19.300 she finally got to Rome again. So it had been two years since they left, mostly because her

00:25:26.860 trips took so long. And the Mancini sisters took the town by storm again. They posed for more 1.00

00:25:33.040 portraits. They were the talk of the town again. 1671 had a really hot summer during which Marie

00:25:39.720 and Hortense went swimming in the river there, which scandalized everyone because I assume they

00:25:44.880 were nude, I guess. And also swimming wasn't really a thing for Roman people who weren't 0.99

00:25:49.820 allowed to have fun, especially women. But honestly, if it's hot, like do what you need 0.58

00:25:53.300 to do. A friend of theirs at this time was Philippe the Chevalier de Lorraine. So not the

00:25:58.980 guy before who was the Duke of Lorraine. This is the Chevalier de Lorraine. Everyone's called

00:26:03.780 Philippe. And there's about to be another one. So the Chevalier de Lorraine was a longtime family

00:26:08.680 friend. He was in town visiting with his brother. Philippe the Chevalier of Lorraine was the

00:26:14.580 boyfriend of someone who we know from the Chevalier d'Aon episode. He was the boyfriend of Prince

00:26:21.760 Philippe, the trans sister of Louis XIV, whom Maya Dean spoke about in that episode. So the

00:26:28.820 Chevalier was in Rome sort of an exile for being the boyfriend of Prince Philippe. There were rumors

00:26:35.860 that um the chevalier became marie's lover and that his brother became hortense's lover and

00:26:41.160 maybe they did and good for them marie's husband was getting tired of all this because he just

00:26:46.440 like didn't like a strong independent wife and he was actually even less fun now than he had been

00:26:51.000 before he and marie were at this point living quite separate lives and her siblings noticed

00:26:56.640 that she was afraid of him for good reason he like murdered people she fell ill and she was

00:27:03.280 concerned that he was trying to poison her which probably he was um he had a reputation for violence

00:27:08.320 marie was really into astrology and star charts and came to believe that like astrologically

00:27:14.180 speaking the time had come for her to leave her husband just like hortense had done and she was

00:27:19.740 thinking of kind of the reverse of hortense um and to go to leave rome and go to france so side note

00:27:27.540 like we're just going to pivot a bit and marie's going to be the main character for a minute

00:27:32.100 because she kind of is and i need to tell you about her so marie mancini fun facts so she was

00:27:39.500 really into astrology to the point that she had actually published an atlas of astrology like a

00:27:45.080 book i think two books of astrology remember their father had also been an astrologer slash

00:27:49.940 necromancer so already how cool is she so she was quickly married to lorenzo right after she

00:27:57.200 had broken up with Louis XIV as a young teenager. And at first their marriage was okay, which was

00:28:04.420 kind of surprising given that Marie had been kind of forced into this after being forced to break

00:28:09.260 up with Louis XIV. So they had three sons. And after that, Marie had insisted that they live

00:28:16.920 separate lives. The explanation she put forward in her memoir, because yes, she also wrote a memoir,

00:28:21.740 was that she was afraid she might not survive another pregnancy after the difficult delivery

00:28:25.580 of their third child. Other biographers have proposed, perhaps, she was also concerned because

00:28:32.660 an astrologer had predicted that she would not survive the birth of a fourth child. There might

00:28:37.140 have also been concerns related to division of inheritances. The report Lorenzo had fathered

00:28:41.280 another child at the same time, and Marie's general jealousy over Lorenzo's amorous adventures.

00:28:46.840 But frankly, if she was really into astrology and was kind of over Lorenzo and didn't want to die,

00:28:51.080 it's like yeah just like don't sleep near your husband anymore may 29 1672 so this is like

00:28:59.320 11 years after they had this sort of separation of bedrooms marie fled rome with her sister

00:29:05.000 so bear in mind again marie later wrote memoirs we do know kind of what was going through her head

00:29:10.940 at this time which was she was frightened for her life either that she might be killed by lorenzo

00:29:16.520 or maybe forcibly put away either of which were real things that could have happened not just

00:29:22.140 because Lorenzo was a violent person but because it's just like what guys did so other husbands

00:29:26.260 had done this to other noble wives like five years before this a woman named Diane Elizabeth

00:29:30.740 de Rosson had been murdered on the orders of her husband the killers were convicted but her husband

00:29:35.360 went unpunished because he was rich and powerful Diane Elizabeth had been like Marie a star on the

00:29:40.920 Roman social scene and that hadn't protected her so why would it protect Marie Diane Elizabeth had

00:29:45.240 actually been a favorite of queen christina at the time so again like on this podcast we're looking

00:29:51.560 all these women who did these cool tits out things but it's to the point that i sometimes forget that

00:29:55.700 not all women were able to do cool tits out things it's like it was actually really dangerous to be 0.76

00:30:02.420 doing the stuff they were doing and i just need to remember that for myself like they were literally 1.00

00:30:06.600 running for their lives so this time how they escaped so marie and hortense pretended to be

00:30:11.600 heading out just for a day trip accompanied by nenon ever faithful as well as marie's servant

00:30:16.120 morena and a valet they brought almost zero luggage with them because they had to look like

00:30:20.340 they weren't running away forever they had to look like we're going for a fun day trip

00:30:23.380 all four women the two sisters and the two servants all wore men's clothes under their

00:30:29.540 women's clothes so like pants underneath their dresses so they could leave be like we're just

00:30:33.480 going for a fun day trip in dresses but inside they're wearing pants and they headed out and 0.92

00:30:38.060 they had arranged for a boat but the boat wasn't coming by and they start to worry that maybe no

00:30:42.800 one was coming when someone showed up on a horse or toss pulled out two pistols love it but then

00:30:49.020 they recognized the guy was another valet who had been sent ahead to scout for the boat and he had

00:30:53.060 found them so their men's disguises were again unconvincing the captain realized right away like

00:30:58.580 these are women running away and so the captain of the boat that they had acquired demanded more

00:31:02.500 money kind of blackmailing them because he was putting himself in danger by helping them flee

00:31:07.040 but guess what? Maria was rich, and so she paid him off, and they sailed to Monaco.

00:31:11.860 They'd already prepared counterfeit papers claiming they didn't have plague, because at that

00:31:15.620 time, kind of like our time, you had to prove you didn't have a certain disease before being allowed

00:31:19.900 to cross international borders, and so they entered French territory. But by now, Lorenzo,

00:31:25.060 who had been out of town when they left, got back to Rome, and he figured out immediately that they

00:31:28.940 had run away. He said horsemen in pursuit in a galley, like a boat filled with his men, headed

00:31:33.840 for Marseille, where he assumed they were heading. And in fact, an informant had let slip to him

00:31:39.700 that Marie had gotten a letter from her ex-liver, Louis XIV, promising them a safe passage back to

00:31:45.060 France. She'd probably gotten that letter through their connection with the Chevalier of Lorraine,

00:31:50.580 the lover of Prince Philippe, who is the trans-sister of Louis XIV. So it all came to a

00:31:55.940 head at Marseille, not with the ship of people attacking them, but just with kind of lower key.

00:32:00.820 a guy presented marie with a letter demanding lorenzo wanted her back in rome he tried to

00:32:05.700 convince her by appealing to her as a mother because she like hortense had children she left

00:32:10.260 behind marie wrote later in her memoir although i loved them tremendously i feared peril even more

00:32:15.860 and having no doubt that there was some scheme hidden beneath his charming words i told him

00:32:19.660 succinctly i had no intention of returning and then marie and hortense were welcomed by the

00:32:24.380 lieutenant governor of provence the count of grignon who offered hospitality and protection

00:32:29.860 His wife provided them with fresh clothing,

00:32:31.720 and she's the one who noted that they were like two heroines out of a novel

00:32:34.580 with plenty of jewels, but no clean linen.

00:32:37.460 And I think this is part of where their whole trip was everyone so excited about it

00:32:41.180 because they were living like people from a story, but they were real life people.

00:32:45.840 Lorenzo continued trying to force Marie back to Rome,

00:32:48.180 sending a stream of messengers to try and negotiate with her.

00:32:51.060 And he was like AC, even more than AC.

00:32:54.080 He was really influential.

00:32:55.220 He was a prince.

00:32:56.920 And so he's trying to make it so nobody would help her.

00:32:59.220 like how Hortense had been sort of cut off as well by AC. The Count of Grignon had their back,

00:33:03.820 he posted two armed guards to watch over the sisters. But still, Marie saw she would have

00:33:08.300 to negotiate directly with Lorenzo to acquire her independence. She wrote to him, and like these

00:33:14.320 letters still exist, she urged him to understand her point of view. Like she knew that public image

00:33:18.740 was everything to him, and she had something on him. Like she kept hinting in her letters and in

00:33:23.420 her book that like, she had something she could blackmail him about that would maybe ruin his

00:33:27.800 public image. So that was how she was trying to convince him. Anyway, Marie and Hortense continued

00:33:33.940 traveling through France, evading agents of both of their powerful husbands. While stopped at the

00:33:38.460 town of Mirabeau, AC sent an agent with instructions to kidnap Hortense. Hortense fled

00:33:43.760 to a wooded area, like flashbacks of what I told you about Charles II from before. Marie convinced

00:33:48.880 the would-be kidnapper Hortense had already left. At this point, the sisters understood they had to

00:33:53.260 travel separately, just to make it more likely at least one of them could escape. And Hortense

00:33:58.100 wrote, this separation from my sister was very painful for me. And in return for the promise,

00:34:02.800 she made me to stay in Chambéry, where she was headed until the king permitted her to live in

00:34:06.740 France. I promised her not to go further than Grenoble in order to be nearer to her and to

00:34:10.620 have news of her more often. And we'll catch up with Marie in a bit, but we're going to pivot

00:34:15.220 back to Hortense as the main character again. So Hortense remained, as she wrote, in a place

00:34:20.380 called Chambéry, where she stayed under the protection and hospitality of a guy named

00:34:24.800 Duke Charles Emmanuel of Savoy. So Savoy was an independent state, with per capita the largest

00:34:31.240 army of any European state. This guy, Charles Emmanuel, was certainly able to resist pressure

00:34:37.560 from both the French king and the Italian nobility, who were pressuring him to give Hortense up, but

00:34:41.960 he had like the largest army of anyone, so he's like, don't worry about it. Also, he lived for

00:34:46.740 drama and knew that housing Hortense would make things more interesting. He was also an old pal

00:34:51.660 of Hortense's from back when she was 14, like pre-marriage. And so back when she was 14,

00:34:58.160 pre-marriage, she, along with like the king and everybody, the royal court had visited

00:35:03.040 Chambury and she made a lasting impression on him like she did with everybody because she's,

00:35:07.400 she was this little Elizabeth Taylor, beautiful child. He had also been one of her many suitors

00:35:12.580 before she wound up with AC. And so as per what seems to keep happening to her, he quickly became

00:35:18.900 obsessed with her. He wasn't around all the time, but he paid spies and emissaries to keep him up

00:35:23.140 to speed. So with everything she did, his intention seemed to have been like just to make sure she was

00:35:28.260 happy and to learn what would make her happy. Like bear in mind, he was actively married to someone

00:35:33.140 else, but he was just so fascinated by her. And when she showed up, she first just did a lot of

00:35:38.160 self-reflection and prayer later saying this was her season of reflection study and reading

00:35:42.940 in fact it was at the end of this day that she would begin to write her memoirs but we'll get

00:35:47.140 to that she wrote letters to the king requesting she would like to receive additional income from

00:35:52.100 him and at this point he agreed after like a year marie came to visit but ortoss refused to see her

00:36:00.080 because well at this point both of the sisters were such scandalous figures she knew like if

00:36:04.260 she saw her sister, that might imperil her own case, and it's all, I don't know, I'm sure she

00:36:09.940 was sad about it. But slowly, she began socializing again, including going on her favorite thing,

00:36:15.540 hunting excursions. And she was like, she was beautiful and stuff, but she's also really good

00:36:19.640 at hunting, apparently. Hence all the portraits of her as Diana, goddess of the hunt. All the

00:36:24.560 latest plays from Paris came and were performed at this palace, and she was a guest of honor for

00:36:28.720 their performances. At one point, AC bribed one of her ladies in waiting to spy on her,

00:36:33.460 and when she found out, Hortense had that woman fired. At one point, AC came up to Savoy to try

00:36:38.740 and see her and she locked herself in her room and said she would rather die than see him. I feel

00:36:43.720 like not an exaggeration. He is the worst. She also learned in Savoy, a card game called Basset 0.99

00:36:50.280 from Venice. And this is like, believe it or not, going to become important in next week's episode.

00:36:55.180 So this was a gambler's game based more on chance than skill. One could learn, win and lose quickly.

00:37:00.520 Hortense wore a mask while she played because her emotions were so present on her face, 0.97

00:37:05.160 she had no poker face.

00:37:06.500 So she wore a mask, you know? 0.78

00:37:08.260 Clever.

00:37:09.320 Because it was a game of chance, she lost money sometimes, and the Duke would help her

00:37:13.040 recoup her losses by giving her gifts of jewels, clothes, and new servants, including

00:37:17.120 a dark-skinned boy named Mustafa, who remained in her service until her death.

00:37:22.220 And I mention him because he would appear by her side in portraits.

00:37:25.660 Like when you inevitably Google image search for Hortense Mancini to see how beautiful she was, Mustafa will be in some of those portraits.

00:37:34.860 Then, 1675, a new face appeared on the social scene in Savoy, who is César Vichard de Saint-Réal, a writer, novelist, and historian in his mid-30s, so like a bit older than Hortense.

00:37:46.800 He tried to make a go of things in Paris as like a writer, but hadn't really had much success.

00:37:51.980 And he's from Savoy, so he's like returning to his hometown.

00:37:54.260 he was of course eager to meet hortense because everybody was he wrote about her the color of her

00:38:00.800 eyes has no name neither blue nor gray nor quite black but a blend of all of these when she stares

00:38:06.320 at you which happens rarely you feel that a light has penetrated to the depths of your soul and you

00:38:11.040 abandon all hope of hiding anything from her it is as though she were born to be loved not to love

00:38:17.680 he was the one who encouraged her and then helped her to write her memoirs actually

00:38:22.460 then because he was a writer already she entrusted the printing and circulation of the memoirs to

00:38:27.520 him so the book was published it was the first time a french woman not of royal blood had written

00:38:32.360 her life story with her name as author printed on the title page to commit one's private life

00:38:37.200 to print was a major transgression for a woman who's supposed to be like humble and quiet 0.93

00:38:42.020 hortense knew this but the opening paragraph in her autobiography kind of explained what she was 0.92

00:38:47.580 up to so she says i know that a woman's glory lays not on her giving rise to gossip but when

00:38:52.440 cannot always choose the kind of life one would like to lead bear in mind she's only 29 all this

00:38:59.140 had happened and she's writing her memoir and it's like lots of stuff to put in there eventually

00:39:04.580 the people of savoy started getting tired of her because they thought that she was like bossy or

00:39:10.920 like i don't know the duke wasn't around enough to sort of like peer pressure everyone to like her 0.99

00:39:15.960 again people found her pretentious her servants clashed with the duke servants and she began

00:39:22.060 planning a departure so but then the duke suddenly died aged 40 poison was suspected because that's

00:39:30.020 just what everyone was dying of in this story their son was still little and so his wife became

00:39:34.740 the regent and she didn't like hortense which is like some people think that like hortense was like

00:39:40.040 the mistress of the duke and maybe she was because it does seem kind of like a sugar daddy type

00:39:44.380 situation he was just like buying her stuff all the time but they might not have been lovers i

00:39:48.260 don't know. Anyway, the wife was just like, time for you to go. So Hortense wasn't sure where to go

00:39:53.140 next until she got an invitation from a guy named Ralph Montague, an English diplomat who she'd

00:39:58.820 known back in France, who thought she may want to come over, reunite with her former suitor,

00:40:04.420 now King Charles II of England. She had another connection to England as well, because her cousin

00:40:10.400 Laura, remember from the Mazarinettes at the beginning, was the mother of a woman named Maria

00:40:16.680 Beatrice d'Este aka Mary of Medina who was the second wife of James so Charles II is the king

00:40:25.080 his brother is James who is eventually gonna like spoiler become the next king and James is the one

00:40:31.180 who's the father of Anne from Anne the First from the favorite who I did the podcast about before

00:40:36.800 so Mary of Medina was his younger Catholic wife who she had the baby but then Anne the First was

00:40:43.380 like wasn't she at like bath and she was spreading rumors that it was like a switcheroo and mary

00:40:48.040 hadn't actually had a baby etc that's mayor of medina so anyway mary was hortense's cousin's

00:40:54.560 child so her cousin once removed second cousin something and she was very lonely in england on

00:41:00.500 her own being catholic and married to this person she and hortense had been corresponding already

00:41:06.280 so this was another good reason hortense could go there to be her companion so hortense left

00:41:10.820 suddenly, without fanfare, taking almost nobody with her other than her immediate household. So

00:41:15.440 like Nanon, Mustafa, and a few others. And she didn't let anyone know she was leaving because

00:41:20.260 AC would chase her, obviously. She did, however, let her friend the writer know about her plans

00:41:25.860 because he acted as her negotiator. In fact, he tried to negotiate with AC, which is like,

00:41:31.540 no one's going to ever achieve that, like, especially not a man who AC probably thinks

00:41:35.040 is her lover. Anyway, he also worked at translating and printing her memoirs in English, such that

00:41:40.440 By the time she arrived in England, those had been published, and so she was already

00:41:43.780 famous there too.

00:41:45.420 Side note on her memoirs.

00:41:47.780 This was entirely unprecedented, that Hortense and then Marie wrote and then published their

00:41:52.520 memoirs under their own names.

00:41:54.480 And the speed with which translations were published, not just English, but into Italian

00:41:58.240 and Spanish, shows how everybody was so interested in this, because they were both so famous

00:42:02.120 from the portraits and stuff.

00:42:03.960 The fact that Marie even wrote her memoir is because of this interest.

00:42:07.240 so what happened is that Hortense published her memoir and then somebody some like I don't know

00:42:13.200 grifter just published a book that they claimed to be the memoir of Marie it wasn't so then kind

00:42:17.600 of forced Marie to write her own memoir to like correct the record so this is from I'm going to

00:42:24.620 be reading quotations from this really good essay by Sarah Nelson Marie Mancini writing for her life

00:42:28.840 and I put the link to that in the show notes but she really explains really well about the writing

00:42:33.960 of the memoirs and sort of the effect and the importance of it. So this is a quote from

00:42:37.960 Sarah Nelson. On one hand, it is puzzling why noble women of high rank such as the Mancini 0.99

00:42:43.540 sisters, after having caused scandal by running away, would risk further degradation of the

00:42:47.700 reputations by publishing their life writing. Women of their class, if they wrote about 0.95

00:42:52.100 themselves at all, allowed their writing to circulate only in manuscript form within a 0.89

00:42:55.780 highly restricted society of their peers. These are two women who dared to take unconventional

00:42:59.920 steps, though. Women of their class also did not travel around Europe sometimes disguised as men,

00:43:05.220 evading detention by authorities or agents of their husbands, but the Mancini sisters did.

00:43:09.920 The influence of print culture on all levels of society was beginning to take hold in a new way

00:43:14.060 at the time when they chose to publish their memoirs in the 1670s. Elizabeth Goldsmith,

00:43:18.520 in her biography, calls them arguably the first media celebrities in the earliest years of

00:43:23.160 journalism, when news of prominent people and current events was just beginning to be given

00:43:26.920 circulation in print so then this is like the whole gazettes situation and so by this is sarah

00:43:33.740 nelson again quote by choosing to publish their life writing the mancini sisters were recognizing

00:43:38.980 and participating in this movement toward print culture and toward a mass market for political

00:43:43.860 news and news about prominent people no longer were their personal reputations merely a topic

00:43:49.000 for gossip at court the ordinary reading public now knew their names and could follow their escapades

00:43:53.560 thus they both cite in the opening lens of their books the main reason for their publishing

00:43:57.580 to defend their reputations which had been publicly besmirched in both women's struggles

00:44:02.800 to win independence from their husbands hortense's struggle was conducted primarily in the courts of

00:44:07.460 law and marie's in the royal courts their published texts were introduced as evidence

00:44:11.560 sometimes in their favor and sometimes against them so they did write their memories partially

00:44:16.220 just to get more sympathy towards them and to explain how they'd been abused by their husbands

00:44:20.320 and why they had to leave. So Hortense's book was called Memoirs d'MLDM, which stands for the

00:44:28.080 Memoirs de Madame la Duchesse Mazarin. It was a commercial success. So then there was this fake

00:44:34.660 book published one year later called Memoirs de MLPMM, Madame la Princesse Marie Mancini. So this

00:44:43.160 was a fake book. It was written by somebody who knew about her life in Rome, but not written by

00:44:47.140 her. When Marie learned about this book, she disavowed it. And that was the reason why she

00:44:52.100 ended up writing her own memoir, which she called la vérité dans son jour, or the truth in its own

00:44:58.300 light. So saying like, here's the truth. Here's what really happened. Yeah. So Hortense's memoir

00:45:05.000 has come out. Marie's is going to come out shortly. Hortense is en route to England. And that is our

00:45:10.820 cliffhanger for this week so the trip to england took three months because i think we all know by 0.88

00:45:17.640 now she just like takes her time traveling but also she had to like not in like a cute fun way

00:45:22.720 like going to plays but also because she's going across wars were happening and stuff they had to

00:45:27.260 go through sort of like not obvious places ac's agents were after her all the time and yeah her

00:45:33.960 book was published in english just before she arrived or just after she arrived and she was in

00:45:40.080 London what was Hortense going to do well next time we're going to hear about her life in London 1.00

00:45:44.860 which includes becoming the mistress of King Charles II she's also going to revolutionize 0.99

00:45:50.960 a bunch of other stuff for women in general she's also going to introduce a very famous beverage to

00:45:55.620 England and next time I'm also going to tell you the story of a second other very famous beverage

00:46:00.780 and how that was introduced to England that's going to be next time part three Hortense takes

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00:47:44.720 Mazarin because there's a lot to talk about there with that guy so anyway if you support me on

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00:48:22.360 always use code tits out for free with shipping or tits out 10 for 10 off and then if and when

00:48:27.480 you're buying books, like if you want to buy some of these biographies of Hortense Mancini,

00:48:31.840 Marie Mancini, if you want to buy their memoirs, there's a link in the show notes, or you can use

00:48:36.480 the go to bookshop.org, which is a website where you can buy books. And a little bit of money goes

00:48:42.200 to support me in the show as well. So the link to that is in the show notes. And yeah, I'm really

00:48:48.440 excited to get into more Hortense with you next week, because she goes to London during the reign

00:48:55.240 of charles ii and it's quite uh era for it's quite a fun place for her to be frankly because

00:49:02.700 she spent the first part of her life being you know controlled by meserain and then she's in

00:49:06.680 this like horrible abusive child marriage and now she's finally gets to be herself and we get to see

00:49:11.580 what that looks like for her and she really gets to unleash um it's hortense unleashed in london 1.00

00:49:16.980 we're gonna get to that next time so until then keep your pants on and your tits out talk to you 1.00

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Vulgar History - July 27, 2022

International, part 19： Hortense Mancini's Escape (pt 2⧸6)

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