00:00:49.420So her book is set in the 17th century in the Caribbean.
00:00:52.800It's telling the story of real-life pirate, Jacques Delahy, and Vanessa was kind enough to join us to talk about her new book, How Do You Research a Pirate?
00:01:02.880Famously, they don't leave a lot of written records about what they're doing, because what they're doing is secretive.
00:01:08.880Anyway, I love talking with her about this, and please enjoy this conversation with Vanessa Riley about her new book, Fire, Sword, and Sea.
00:01:15.780so I'm joined today by Vanessa Riley author of the new book fire sword and sea welcome Vanessa
00:01:27.740thank you and for having me I am so excited to talk to you about this book because I love it's
00:01:34.160no secret I love a pirate story I love a pirate saga and that is what this book is and so I just
00:01:40.620want you to walk me through kind of like how how this book came to be so my first question is how
00:01:45.560did you first hear about jacques de la haye am i saying that right i'm probably the last person to
00:01:52.060actually help people pronounce i am very southern and slightly caribbean so it's like you're gonna
00:01:58.820get a mixture of stuff um i was talking i just had a conversation with robin miles who is doing
00:02:06.500the narration for fire short and sea so she was de la haye okay jacques de la haye sure and i was
00:02:13.860like okay sounds good to me yeah she does so much research on the um like the pronunciation
00:02:24.840creoles the the the accents the pronunciations that is a science all to its own so a great
00:02:34.340narrator is so amazing especially when you're talking about these these cultures that are
00:02:41.460sometimes seldom spotlighted, but the Caribbean is a mixing pot. Everybody is there and everybody
00:02:47.760is trying to gain their fortunes, create new destinies. Well, and that's where I feel like
00:02:54.640this book, just when you said that, I'm like, oh, wow, that is going to be, that narrator is going
00:02:58.700to have to do a lot of research about different languages, different, because it's, yeah, there's
00:03:02.040so many, so many different people in this book, because that's what it was like in the Caribbean
00:03:05.600at that time. So Jacquot, how did you first hear about her? Do you remember?
00:03:09.740I absolutely remember because I wasn't looking for her. I was in Jamaica, you know, as one does. It was a writing retreat. But anytime I go anywhere, I want to know about the history.0.99
00:03:25.980So I went to the fort at Port Royal and they took us on a tour and it was just a fabulous tour because they've done some restoration work because, you know, Port Royal, because of the age, because of the massive tsunami, you know, there are pieces missing and whatnot.
00:03:43.260But they've reconstructed this fort. And I was in the cell where I think Mary Reed, the pirate Mary Reed, was once held. And to me, it was like, we're in the Caribbean. Are there any other, are there Caribbean women pirates?
00:04:02.240Because I just read an article from the Los Angeles Times that said that 20 to 30 percent of the pirates in the Caribbean were African or Caribbean.0.90
00:04:15.060They were black on these utopia kind of ships.
00:04:19.400So I started doing some research and the name Jaquois Delahy came to my scope and then I just dug in and tried to find everything.
00:04:30.180she's controversial so I do think she is an amalgamation of different lives but I think
00:04:36.560she's a very accurate portrayal of what women did in order to um to gain a footing in this world
00:04:44.340and so and that's the research is what interests me as well because she is
00:04:49.900well like you just said she's she's sort of an amalgamation perhaps so it's not just as easy as
00:04:55.440like with your other books where you're like okay this person was born here like the other
00:04:58.680historical books you've done where it's like this and this and this and this is where she grew up
00:05:01.780it's like how how on earth did you research this snippets uh the snippet tactics so you would um
00:05:08.500you would find her but i'd always find her in reference to anne de la vote and de la vote is
00:05:14.760you know she's a white woman that actually was enslaved from france so france would gather
00:05:22.740prisoners, they would gather thieves, and they would ship them out to the colonies because they0.66
00:05:30.120were trying to form family colonizations, you know, birth people in the Caribbean to cement the
00:05:36.160hold. And Anne was one of these women. And Anne is highly linked to Jaquat. So finding her life
00:05:45.060helps me put pieces of Jaquat back together. And, you know, then you find other people that she's
00:05:51.840in league with. So there's Michelle Labasque. There is Laurence de Grapp. All these people
00:05:58.660who are much more highly documented because they're either a man or they're Caucasian.0.94
00:06:05.100They're white. You put these pieces back together. So by finding her contemporaries0.75
00:06:10.980and then seeing how she interacted in their lives, I was able to reconstruct her life.
00:06:16.900And so we were talking just before we recorded that the time period and the place that you're writing about was such a place of chaos, but I would also say of opportunity for people because it was really just there's all these people from all these different cultures and they're all just kind of trying to make a buck, trying to figure out how they can thrive for themselves.
00:06:39.600So can you explain for everybody that at least, you know, the book travels around because it's a pirate, obviously.
00:06:45.720But where does your story start and what is it like there at that time?
00:06:51.840So Tortuga is this little tiny island off of Hispaniola, present day Haiti, that is being fought over by France and Spain.
00:07:03.040And the island literally goes through these waves of wars or battles where one side will knock the other side off.
00:07:10.000And in a couple of years, the other side will come back.
00:07:12.200And so at the moment in time where we meet Jaquan, the island is split.
00:07:17.960So half of it is Spanish, half of it's French, but it is a pirate haven.
00:07:23.000So pirates from all over the Caribbean are coming to Bastair, which is like the main city very close to the coastline.
00:07:32.120of Tortuga. And that's where he finds Jaquette. The evidence I found is that her father owned a
00:07:38.060tavern. And I know of her brother. And at some point, the father dies. It's unclear what happens,
00:07:45.980but Jaquette is thrust in this world where she has to make a way for her, her brother.
00:07:50.980So those are the little bits that I had. But you've got to think of Tortuga is, it's wild.
00:07:58.140There's a huge prison up on top of one of the big hills of Tortuga.
00:08:04.180It's, you know, one moment it's got the white sand beaches, right?
00:08:08.980So you've got that typical tropical view, but just go into the jungles and there are traps for wild boars there.
00:08:18.220And then you've got these retired pirates who are no longer seaworthy that the French government or the Spanish government has convinced to make plantations to settle down roots because the belief is if we can inhabit the Caribbean, we can own the Caribbean.
00:08:39.140So at this moment in time, it's about inhabitation.
00:08:42.040There are battles going on, but it's more between the world powers.
00:08:45.860So in this world, you know, we think of the world powers, you know, of, you know, Britain, you know, the world, you know, the sun never sets.
00:08:54.760Well, this is before all that. Yeah, exactly.
00:08:57.760You know, Britain's on the come up, as I would say, you know, Britain, France, Portugal, the Dutch, all of these individuals are trying to get wealthy.
00:09:08.600They're trying to make a name for themselves.
00:12:42.000So I, you know, there's points where as a researcher, I don't know what happens, but
00:12:47.960I got a sense that to have her story, she's got to figure something out.
00:12:54.500Her mother is dead. Her father's died. And this younger brother, what does she do? How does, so that, the natural care, when you, when you write about women, as you know, there are these zones or lanes of the natural caregiver, the natural nurturer.
00:13:13.840And then we forget about this other lane where maybe it's not that natural.
00:13:18.780Maybe there's a third lane of some sort of freedom.
00:13:23.380And, you know, when we look at Jaquat, I had an amalgamation of thoughts.0.93
00:13:30.200What makes a woman decide to leave all this behind, to don male garb, and go pretend she's a man so that she can make some money, knowing that she could die and never come back to take care of this?0.95
00:13:48.540So even the short term of, I'm just going to go make some money, you are risking so many things. You don't know what's going to happen. So there's a lane that I explored with Jaquat that is kind of different than the other women.0.96
00:14:05.680because you know like um the book before this is is queen of exiles queen louise is a mother's
00:14:13.160mother right she is very maternal she is worried about her children island queen dorothy kerman
00:14:20.240thomas is extremely maternal she knows each of her kids the quirks the things that drive them
00:14:26.640and she wants you can i felt how she wanted to make sure each one of them was successful
00:14:32.100so the other side of that coin is someone like Jaquat where her dreams her desire to be more
00:14:41.540than what the world is trying to tell her that this is your only lane you can only be a wife
00:14:47.160or a wench there's nothing else I wanted to have her lane and then you have to explore well what's0.82
00:14:53.880that lane look like when you know that every moment you could die every moment you may not0.88
00:15:00.400come back. You have these grand thoughts. I'm going to get this booty. I'm going to get all
00:15:05.140this money, come back, and I'm going to have this different world. You may not make it past
00:15:10.560Tuesday. Scurvy will kill you because they're just now figuring out you need to put some citrus
00:15:18.500on these boats. A splinter will kill you. They'll throw rum on you for some sort of0.95
00:15:26.280cleansing purposes, but sometimes they don't even have that. It's a very dangerous world. And in
00:15:31.580any other minute, there are rebellions happening, these ships, the turnovers of who's in leadership.
00:15:38.080It's all chaos. And I think I want to make sure that Jaquat wasn't ignorant of that. You know,
00:15:44.280sometimes you get a hero or hero and they stumble into their thing. These have to be deliberate
00:15:50.820decisions because nothing is fast. You can't just, oh, I'm going to go be a pirate. No,
00:15:55.000you've got a plan. How are you going to join a pirate crew? How do you get on board these ships?
00:16:01.620How do you gain that trust? Because at any moment they could say, oh, intruder, let's just kill him1.00
00:16:05.740and go. So to add that level of realism, but yet tackle the natural roles that we often find women1.00
00:16:13.660or limit our women characters to be, that was an incredible challenge. But it has to be addressed.
00:16:21.100So as you say, I kind of held hands. Yeah, I'm going to hold your hands because this is a different world.
00:16:26.800And I wanted everybody to understand and not judge any of these women or men who decide to do something different.0.66
00:16:36.660And piracy is legal during this. So this is an actual profession, you know, firefighter, mayor, pirate.
00:16:44.320you can see little boys and maybe some girls are dreaming of I want to be a ship captain and I
00:16:53.800don't want to be impressed into the British Navy or the French Navy or the Spanish Navy. I want to
00:16:59.420do things on my own. You could see them growing up wanting to be a pirate. So it's like, it's such
00:17:05.280a different world. And that was, you know, that's one of the biggest part challenges. It was such a
00:17:11.140different world. And to make sure that was conveyed, that my own belief system is not
00:17:19.460holding back the story. It was incredibly challenging. Yeah, no, that's so interesting
00:17:25.100because talking about this was, well, is that, you know, becoming a pirate is a legitimate career
00:17:30.680that all these people could do. It's not, when you think about now, like, you know, a bank robber
00:17:35.680or something. It's just like, well, that's just, you don't grow up wanting to do that.
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00:20:30.900And we're back. But can you talk about the role for like Jakot, for a woman to be to be a pirate and the whole thing about disguising as a man and stuff?0.56
00:20:41.280But, you know, it's unlucky to have a woman on a ship and all those sorts of things.0.54
00:20:44.240So she's got this extra barrier where you do show in the book very, very well in the first parts.0.99
00:20:49.240Like you see, she's good with a ship.0.69
00:20:51.060She knows how to like sail a ship.1.00
00:21:38.840And Jaquat rises, you know, from the amalgamated versions or the truth versions or whatever version you find of her. She always rises to lead a mixed crew, crew of women and men and all different races. That is the common thread in her story.0.78
00:22:00.540so you have to her i wanted to build the story because i only got little snippets of her life
00:22:08.240of where she is and who's interacting there's no you know chronological timeline of she was this
00:22:16.420old when this happened that sort of thing you just get events and things and then there's also now a
00:22:22.280lexicon of people who've gone and invented their own histories for her and you know waging through
00:22:28.580that so it's like you have to be a special person to be able to survive the ruthless environment
00:22:36.220and knowing that she's going to rise up the rank to rise up the rank to to you know from being a
00:22:44.800helms an oarsman to a helmsman to somewhat of a navigator and then you know to an actual captain
00:22:52.200You have to have real skills being able to navigate the boat. So I had to build plausible ways to get her there.
00:23:02.960Old Jean is her mentor guide. He's an invention, but he's a tool that I use to show this is how she gains.
00:23:12.080Because someone had to teach her how to, you know, was it Michelle LeBasque? Maybe. He may have taught her. But for the necessity of the story, I make old Jean a mentor. Because with Michelle, Michelle is a love interest. And there are other reasons why you may want to teach somebody these skills or show off these skills, etc.
00:23:35.620I wanted it very pure, a fatherly instinct, a mentor instinct who wants nothing, absolutely nothing but the best for Jaquois.
00:23:46.700and to put, you know, to Noah and someone who knew how dangerous the world is for not only
00:23:53.360women, because he's seen so much things happen, but for Black women during this time frame,
00:24:01.200to be able to relate to those different episodes that he knows she's going to have to navigate.1.00
00:24:08.680So we have old Jean teaching her how to, you know, how to steer a boat.
00:24:14.560um you know she learns on her own how to handle her father's rapier two skills that are going to
00:24:22.340be the marquee of how she's able to continue to navigate this very dangerous world and so
00:24:30.140can you talk about the element of like again this is this time and a place that not a lot of people
00:24:34.880are familiar with so what was the element of the slave trade that was going on in this place at
00:24:42.060that time yes so you know there's a book called 1619 right and that is the first time enslaved
00:24:50.040people are coming to north america right slave people were coming to the caribbean before this
00:24:56.460time frame right side note when some trading ships were too lazy to go to africa to get slaves
00:25:07.160they would go to mexico and just pick out the darker skinned indigenous folk and enslave them
00:25:14.540and sell them off into the caribbean for for money um it's it's it's a crazy world0.99
00:25:22.960they haven't figured out yet that sugar cane is the cash crop so they're trying cotton they're
00:25:30.380trying indigo in different places. They are trying, um, tobacco, tobacco is a huge, huge thing,
00:25:38.820but tobacco, many of these things are stealing the nutrients from the soil. So they're not taken
00:25:45.640off. And so it's, it's a limited factor. So you, the conditions are so harsh, they need enslaved
00:25:54.060labor in their perspective, um, to, to, to manage these, these, these burgeoning, um,
00:26:01.660plantations or habitations, but they haven't got the cash crop yet. There's no, there's not a mass
00:26:07.380thing. So there's, there's not this mass need just yet at the end of the 1600s, 1690s. Oh yeah.
00:26:15.700By then they know it's, it's, it's sugarcane, sugarcane all day long. And every, the world
00:26:19.980has a sugar tooth so we've got to get more enslaved people but at this moment in time
00:26:25.500you know some an enslaved person could escape they may or may not be hunted down
00:26:31.760you know they would try and get their property back but it's not the the intensity that you see
00:26:37.600later on of because that value that is going on but at the same time one of the most insane things
00:27:15.980You know, you may steal from Spain today, but the Spanish armadas may come for you. So the quickest thing to do is to convert that into cash. And cash in that moment in time are enslaved Africans, enslaved people.
00:27:36.480And to see it just put so callously, so plainly in a ship's record or a captain's log of how he traded for a pewter bowl, not even silver gear, pewter, 14, 17 guineas.
00:27:59.440and so it's like you know in in our present day world people try to convince you that the guinea
00:28:05.480coin the british guinea is because they use metal from guinea no i've come across that currency in
00:28:12.200my research before i never knew yeah that's for 16 so i was like the 1600s was insane totally insane
00:28:20.900um it this you know people always ask me how i research these things in in mental health and
00:28:27.520all these sorts of this really this this this this went this did some stuff I'm not gonna lie
00:28:34.860this one was hard to shake off uh because of just the nature of the beast but um it isn't I try to
00:28:45.960very to to be as detailed as possible as authentic as possible um but I never want you to stumble in
00:28:56.700the narrative. So I'm explaining things, but naturally explaining things. And there was just
00:29:03.580so much research that I wanted to put in here, but some of it, it just couldn't. But I'd put in,
00:29:11.040you know, that the amalgamated, the extended cast is one of the ways that I use to make sure
00:29:17.660at least subjects were broached or tucked about or seen. Well, one of the things that when we're
00:29:24.480talking about the extended cast of the book. And I don't want to get into, um, we won't get into
00:29:29.100spoilers at all, but there are gender things happening in this book. I mean, Jakot disguises0.64
00:29:35.240herself as a man for a time. Um, and then I don't know how much you want to talk about her,
00:29:40.560the other character. Yes. Well, there's, there's, you know, there's the, the thing that I,
00:29:46.420want people to realize is we've come up with fancy words that scare people. So if you say
00:29:56.040certain words nowadays, you will either get flagged by Canva, which happened during this
00:30:02.820process, or you will have people who will automatically never want to hear anything
00:30:11.260more of this history, which is a disservice to these people. They lived. This was an incredibly
00:30:17.000difficult, strange, and sometimes wonderful world. And there were women who dressed up as men,
00:30:28.480embodying that lifestyle of how do I act like a man? How do I become a man, et cetera?0.82
00:30:33.080um there were people because there was a shortage of women in the west indies that saw other
00:30:43.480opportunities they natural opportunities things that felt natural to them you you meet them in
00:30:50.340the book and i don't want to prejudice anybody's thought process but you leave your 20th first
00:30:59.280century minds behind where things have labels and i think throughout love is so rare
00:31:08.880the world is dangerous when you find love you hold on to it i think that was my guiding principle
00:31:17.980when i wrote this book and i it was necessary to showcase because this world is full of dichotomies
00:31:24.780you have people making pledges no women on board but they're smuggling women on board0.85
00:31:32.240you you have black white indigenous people on the deck everybody pulling their weight1.00
00:31:42.520doing sorts of thing and you'll have chattel slavery underneath the boat0.73
00:31:46.200and to think about people weren't necessarily thinking about being their brother's keeper
00:31:55.760during this time frame because it was survive how do I survive how do I live another day
00:32:02.760that took precedence but not necessarily in a selfish way it was just more so a fact of life
00:32:09.680and then once again you find these people um who found love who found comfort in someone else and
00:32:18.140I believe just from someone else um and those lives those lives are shared in this book um
00:32:26.580we have fancy words for them now I think people just said people were people and they dealt with
00:32:34.100who they were presented with and they were comfortable with who they were comfortable with
00:32:39.160And I want that message to really come about. But there's no apologies in this book. I wrote the lives I found, the pieces, the snippets, the things I found.
00:32:55.820and i want those those those those individuals the brave individuals i'm i'm i'm bringing back
00:33:06.480to life i want that to resonate because you know if we live without labels maybe we are an easier
00:33:14.160safer place or maybe that's how we get through chaos we we drop labels and we just look at people
00:33:21.520as being people in your book it comes across like you were saying that you could die tomorrow you
00:33:27.260could die today like when you're living this pirate lifestyle you don't know what's going to
00:33:30.200happen so you might as well just like be true to who you are and if you find someone to love like
00:33:34.700hold on to it like it that makes all of the sense like there's not time in these people's lives
00:33:39.060these pirates to to be worrying about labels or what other people think about this or that it's
00:33:44.800just like it was can I trust this person like are they part of my crew great like then I'm on board
00:33:51.120yeah the word metelage or now once again this is southern pronunciation but a metelage
00:33:57.040is a formal word for a same-sex union on these boats and that helped them you know
00:34:04.280formal they formalized it so that you knew if you died you got the person's property
00:34:09.980you know um and and so once again when we look from our 21st century oh no this never happened
00:34:18.600No, there's a lot of stuff that happened. We just haven't been brave enough to either acknowledge it or we have been too judgmental to see humanity for what it is.
00:34:34.440and also i feel like these people the the people living in this era the pirates
00:34:39.300well although i guess that they were it was a legal job at the time they weren't necessarily
00:34:44.240outlaws but it's just like why would they prescribe to like if this if society says you
00:34:48.440should do this and this and this it's like well why why if you're a pirate why would you pay
00:34:52.900attention to any of those rules exactly exactly yeah you're going pirate along and do you know
00:34:59.180you've decided to live, you know, by your wits and on your own means, you're relying on this
00:35:07.840crew that becomes family to some respects until there's a mutiny, of course. But, you know,
00:35:17.100that's the life you chose and everything that comes with it, you can't necessarily pick and
00:35:21.840choose which is you know the when i discovered the the pieces about the creed that they have to
00:35:29.160vote on like first of all they're voting on these are the rules so if you're captain you know you
00:35:39.520can't just arbitrarily change rules and the crew they they live by this penalty that is more
00:35:45.000important living by your bond by your word is more important than sexuality than race
00:35:52.280than anything in this this time frame so for people who are going to read this book
00:36:00.640what I mean you just said a lot of really lovely things about what what you hope people get out of
00:36:05.920the book but I do want to make sure that people know that it's also just like it's a swashbuckling
00:36:09.300adventure. There's like action sequences. There's, there's a good time. Like how, how do you describe
00:36:15.520this book to people who maybe are a bit like, Oh, I don't know if I want to read a book about a
00:36:19.500pirate. Like, how do you, how do you explain that it's a good time? It is a good time because it's
00:36:24.460a swashbuckling adventure. And you rarely see when I started into my, my venture into historical
00:36:32.180fiction i didn't realize how rare it was to see a woman leading a saga leading an adventure going
00:36:40.020from place to place to place journeys to to to some sort of quest that is very rare you will find1.00
00:36:47.260you know men do quests i guess women are supposed to stay home um but here's a crew of women that
00:36:54.540didn't want to stay home uh you're going to be invited into their lives you're going to see
00:36:59.280the danger. You will see sometimes recklessness. You will see adventure, high seas, you know,
00:37:06.700fate that's happening. And as always, I'm going to give you the geo-world politics. What's going
00:37:12.280on in this world that allows for this to happen? And what are the responses that are happening?
00:37:19.500And this is a crazy timeframe. And once again, it's before chattel slavery is really starting
00:37:28.020to kick off so you get a moment in time where maybe the world could have chosen differently
00:37:32.820uh you get a moment in time where you see the problems we have now are right there
00:37:40.040right in our face and we could have chosen differently um so it's it's it's it's an
00:37:47.540i think you're going to be if you like adventure if you like learning things even though it's not
00:37:54.360a textbook boys and girls not a textbook um but if you like to just know a little bit more about
00:38:00.060the world in the 1600s and these daring women who decided i want a different life i think that's
00:38:08.180very powerful for the moment we're living in where people are choosing to want more and you know to
00:38:15.400live vicariously through these adventures i think is an exciting thing and and we have to know
00:38:22.120We have to know Jaquois Delahaye. We meet these women who decided to do something just very different and exciting.
00:38:34.140Laurence de Graff, Michelle Le Basque. I mean, these are real pirates that are interspersed into our narrative.
00:38:43.140And they're doing some, you know, they did some crazy, amazing things and we just need to know about them.
00:38:48.220And it's January. Everyone's listening to this in January. But Halloween is not that long ago. And you always see kids dressed as pirates. That's just like there's something about that lifestyle that like kids like it really appeals to a kid. I think just a sense of like freedom and adventure. And I think we all still have that little kid inside of us who's just like a pirate. Oh, I love pirates. Like, I feel like everyone went through that phase, maybe.
00:39:11.180yes yeah this is but this is not a kid's story it's a little violent it's not a kid's story
00:39:16.900this is for your if you like pirates as a kid and now you're grown up this is grown-up pirates
00:39:21.900this is yeah yeah pirates with consequences you know yeah it's not pirates of the caribbean
00:39:28.020although they had some consequences but it's a realistic uh view of an exceptional
00:39:35.800period of time where everything was possible and everything is against you.
00:39:43.520So you're hanging in the balance. Which way do I turn? Which way do I go?
00:39:49.680That's fire, sword, and sea. And I think you're going to love it.
00:39:53.020I agree. I agree. I've read it and I agree. Thank you so much, Vanessa, for joining us to talk
00:39:58.000about your book. It's the sort of book, you know, I don't always feel this way when I'm reading a
00:40:01.400book, but this one, I was just like, I need to talk. I need to learn. How did you put this
00:40:04.980together? How did, how did you, cause like there's so many, so many moving parts in this time period
00:40:11.000and how do you come up with this story? So I was just like excited to, to get to hear the inside
00:40:15.340scoop of how this book came to be. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you.
00:40:23.780So I know you're all going to want to read this book and guess what? It's available. It's just
00:40:27.600been published this week. Fire, Sword and Sea by Vanessa Riley is available anywhere you get your
00:40:32.660books from, go to vanessareilly.com and you can get all the links as well as a book club kit for
00:40:37.920this book. It's so good. I'm just like, want everybody to know that I'm always here for Lady
00:40:43.400Pirate Story. And thanks again to Vanessa for joining us for this conversation. So this podcast
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