Vulgar History - The Mysterious Foreign Princess Who Wasn't What She Seemed

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00:00:55.600 Hello and welcome to Vulgar History. My name is Anne Foster and this is the Feminist Women's 0.77

00:01:00.860 History Comedy Podcast. And I'm currently working on writing a book and that is taking up a lot of

00:01:08.000 my time and I don't want to put out half-assed podcast episodes. So I was like, well, what can

00:01:12.520 I do? Because I know, trust me, I know the importance of an emotional support podcast,

00:01:16.880 especially in these unprecedented times in which we've all been living in for many years now. So

00:01:22.200 I was like, well, how can I still have something new and fun for the Tits of Brigade every week?

00:01:26.660 And I was like, oh my gosh.

00:01:27.520 So what you're going to hear today is an episode of the podcast, The Art of Crime,

00:01:32.500 which is a podcast hosted by friend of the podcast, Gavin Whitehead,

00:01:35.500 who you'll recall from two weeks ago,

00:01:37.500 he was our guest on the episode about Madame Tussauds, a.k.a. Madame T.

00:01:41.580 And I first met Gavin when we made plans to record this episode.

00:01:45.720 We're going to hear for his podcast, which is about a person called Princess Caribou.

00:01:51.240 Not her real name.

00:01:52.200 But I don't want to spoil the twist midway through this episode.

00:01:56.280 And so this is somebody I've wanted to do a Princess Caribou episode of Vulgar History for a while, but she never quite fit into any of the themes I was doing.

00:02:03.040 And even though she's living at around the same time as Marie Antoinette, her story does not, there's no, there's no degrees of Marie Antoinette, nothing but net, I think we call it.

00:02:13.620 She does not connect to Marie Antoinette at all.

00:02:15.220 So I'm like, well, I can't work her into that series.

00:02:16.840 And then when Gavin was like, what his show is about is the intersection of true crime and art.

00:02:21.100 And I was like, well, there is technically a crime in this.

00:02:24.840 And there's also artwork that was made about this.

00:02:27.600 So, and he was like, hell yeah.

00:02:28.900 So anyway, we did this episode and I do want to just give you one quick caveat about the

00:02:34.260 episode that you're going to hear, which is just that at one point we talk about cupping

00:02:37.480 the, um, therapeutic thing that one can do.

00:02:42.600 Um, and I, it kind of came up and I didn't really have time to think about or prepare

00:02:47.980 to talk about what cupping is.

00:02:49.660 It's just something that came up in the story.

00:02:51.660 And so what I want to emphasize is that cupping is an ancient therapy where you kind of use

00:02:58.840 basically like cups, technically like often silicone or glass, and you just kind of like

00:03:04.620 alleviate pressure.

00:03:05.800 So it creates sort of a vacuum or a section on your body and it can help relieve your

00:03:09.540 myofascial stuff.

00:03:10.800 It's often used in massage and things like that.

00:03:14.140 Anyway, it helps with pain and inflammation relief.

00:03:16.760 Nothing weird about it.

00:03:18.000 It's based on ancient, I think, cultures did this.

00:03:24.100 Egyptian, Chinese, Middle Eastern cultures did this.

00:03:26.600 Anyway, it's cool.

00:03:27.480 It's great.

00:03:28.560 Nothing is cupping.

00:03:29.840 What we talk about in this episode and the scars that are found on Princess Caribou's

00:03:35.640 body are based on the 19th century English version of cupping, which involved also leeches,

00:03:43.360 where you put a leech on the skin and you put a cup over it.

00:03:45.860 And then anyway, it's not, that's what we're talking about.

00:03:48.740 The kind of cupping done to her, not cool, problematic.

00:03:52.360 The kind of cupping that people can do nowadays with a massage therapist or other sort of alternative practitioner, lovely, great.

00:03:59.740 So I just wanted to let you know that because we, off the top of my head, I talk about cupping and I just wanted to clarify what it is and that it's actually a beneficial and non-problematic thing.

00:04:09.100 Anyway, with all that out of the way, I guess we'll let Gavin take it away.

00:04:12.480 Technically, this is an episode of his podcast, The Art of Crime.

00:04:15.500 but he was generous enough to let me play it on my feed as well. And I do think

00:04:19.160 I think there's a lot of tits of behavior that you're going to enjoy in the story of Princess

00:04:24.280 Caribou. All right, welcome once again to a special episode of The Art of Crime. Today,

00:04:33.400 we are joined by the lovely Anne Foster, host and creator of the Vulgar History Podcast.

00:04:39.560 Anne, thanks so much for coming on the show. I am delighted to be here and I'm really excited

00:04:43.980 to have a chance to talk about this person who I've been dying to talk about for ages.

00:04:48.900 Well, I am delighted to have you here. And who is this person we're going to talk about today?

00:04:53.540 Well, she was known as, and she is still best known as Princess Caribou. We're going to talk

00:04:59.440 about the details, but she was seemingly a mysterious shipwrecked princess from a mysterious

00:05:04.540 far off land who just appeared one day on the coast of England in 1817.

00:05:09.960 Right. And she went on to generate an international sensation in the press. So it's a wonderful story.

00:05:14.840 So let's dive right into it. I want to start with a portrait by a Bristol-based painter named Edward

00:05:21.940 Byrd. This picture was painted in 1817, and it depicts Princess Caribou, this woman we're going

00:05:28.300 to be talking about. So Anne, could you describe this picture for us? What does Princess Caribou

00:05:33.440 look like? And what impression is Byrd trying to give of her, would you say?

00:05:39.020 I think he's he's trying to give an impression of just like an exotic and interesting and unusual traveler.

00:05:46.420 So we're looking at a young woman.

00:05:48.720 So maybe, you know, around 25 years old, she's pale skin, a white person with dark hair, dark eyes, pink cheeks.

00:05:56.500 And she's wearing a white sort of turban headdress that looks maybe silk.

00:06:00.980 It looks a little shiny with three peacock feathers in it.

00:06:03.460 Her dress looks sort of like what someone might wear in India. It's a yellow dress with flowing

00:06:12.580 very long sleeves, embroidery, embellishment around the neckline, embellishment around the

00:06:17.760 waist, embellishment around the bottom. And for this time period, for 1817, it's short. It ends

00:06:23.500 sort of mid-calf height. So then you see she's wearing on her feet sort of strappy sandals,

00:06:28.500 almost like a Roman gladiator like wraparound sandal and then the background of where she's

00:06:34.620 standing and she's standing very posed she's holding a flower to her chest and as though

00:06:38.540 she's sort of walking on what looks like maybe a coastline behind her you can see what I'm going

00:06:43.240 to call tropical backdrop in the background you see there are some palm trees it looks like maybe

00:06:49.720 sort of a ship on the ocean or not a ship but like a small maybe like a junk like a Chinese type boat

00:06:55.300 and then sort of a hut in the background as well.

00:06:57.880 So you get the sense that this is somewhere Asian adjacent,

00:07:01.520 perhaps behind her.

00:07:03.200 And her dress is certainly striking and unusual.

00:07:06.640 Rare it is.

00:07:07.280 It certainly isn't England, right?

00:07:08.840 Because England isn't exactly known

00:07:10.420 for its tropical climes and palm trees.

00:07:13.360 No, no, exactly.

00:07:14.340 And I think also just the fact that she has these bare feet, 0.62

00:07:17.860 that her dress is quite low cut.

00:07:19.520 Like she's clearly, this is meant to be somewhere warm.

00:07:22.120 Like this is not Bristol.

00:07:23.500 Absolutely.

00:07:23.940 The question of where Princess Caribou comes from is one that will captivate many, many people in

00:07:29.940 1817. So let's get right to the story, shall we? Our story begins like many great stories have

00:07:35.260 over the ages. A mysterious outsider arrives in town. So obviously our mysterious outsider is

00:07:41.800 Princess Caribou. And in this case, the town is Allmansbury, England, which is on the outskirts

00:07:47.540 of Bristol. So Anne, what are Princess Caribou's earliest interactions with townsfolk like?

00:07:53.940 Well, I mean, it's quite stunning for these people in a small town. So it's, you know, 1817 small town. She arrives in the evening, dressed not exactly like she is in this portrait, but similar, like with a headdress, looking unusual. And she's speaking a language that the people there don't know, which is not unusual. It's a small town in Bristol. The people in Bristol who she encounters haven't traveled very widely.

00:08:18.060 So she was disoriented, clothed, unusually to them, and she went to the home of a cobbler and

00:08:23.720 his wife. Neither of them understood the language she was speaking. As far as they knew, it could

00:08:27.220 have been French or Spanish, like they didn't know other languages. And she just kind of used

00:08:31.100 a lot of hand gestures. So they got the impression that she needed a bed for the night. They just

00:08:36.120 thought, like, this is a poor woman, like she clearly is from somewhere far away. And so there's

00:08:40.920 a position called the overseer of the poor. So immediately, their first thoughts were,

00:08:45.040 let's help this person. This person is in need of help. So they were very sympathetic to her.

00:08:49.100 They weren't casting her out. They just thought like, oh, this is something interesting. This

00:08:52.040 is something different. And she clearly needs help. Eventually, Princess Caribou is brought to

00:08:56.820 the home of Samuel and Elizabeth Worrell, both of whom become really important figures in this

00:09:01.780 story, particularly Elizabeth. So who are the Worrells, Anne? And why are they made aware of

00:09:07.380 this stranger's presence? So Samuel Worrell, his job is the magistrate in the area, but more

00:09:13.600 notably, the cobblers knew that one of the servants in this household spoke at least more

00:09:18.660 languages than English. And so they thought maybe the servant at the Wurls might be able to understand

00:09:23.080 the language that this woman is speaking. So they brought her to see, yeah, so Samuel Wurl and his

00:09:27.460 wife Elizabeth, she was American born. And then once Caribou met them, she revealed that she had

00:09:33.580 a few English coins with her. She had kind of a small bundle containing necessities, a piece of

00:09:38.520 soap wrapped in linen and the overall effect of what she was wearing which was a black dress with

00:09:44.040 a frill around the neck a black shawl on her head and a red and black shawl around her shoulders and

00:09:50.080 say that and i think this combined with just sort of her her dark hair her dark eyes they thought

00:09:54.840 she's probably from somewhere asian to these people to this small community of british people

00:10:01.820 the way that we think of asia now is different from what they would have thought so they're

00:10:06.500 just thinking she's from somewhere away like to them that could include like turkey or parts of

00:10:11.640 russia like just anywhere east of i don't know paris to them is like the orient the worlds again

00:10:18.480 were very helpful immediately they just thought like let's help this person and apparently it

00:10:23.920 wasn't in the book that i read but clearly the servant um who spoke various languages did not

00:10:29.560 speak the same language that she was speaking so it turns out he wasn't able to help in this case

00:10:33.820 So after Princess Caribou meets the worlds, word gets around that Princess Caribou is in town and various members of the community come forward and try to help them work out where this stranger is from.

00:10:48.040 So who all gets involved in this mystery and what are some of the clues they uncover as to the origins of Princess Caribou?

00:10:55.740 so princess caribou herself is offering well not offering but to some of her behavior people are

00:11:01.820 interpreting in certain ways like she sees a painting of a pineapple and she recognizes that

00:11:06.920 and so they assume oh she must be from a place where pineapples are from um she seemed unfamiliar

00:11:11.620 with a concept of beds um until they explained to her you don't have to sleep on the floor so the

00:11:15.820 first visitor was a parish clergyman and so he had some books that had images i don't think he was

00:11:21.280 someone who traveled himself, but he had books with pictures in them of various maps and countries

00:11:25.900 and things from countries. And so they thought, okay, we'll show her these pictures and she can

00:11:29.860 point like maybe some of these things will seem familiar to her as well, like the pineapple did.

00:11:34.840 She seemed to recognize some of the images of China and they learned that she had arrived in

00:11:39.840 England on a ship. And it was around the same point that she started saying caribou, caribou,

00:11:45.220 while indicating herself. So it was unclear at this point, is that her name? Is that her country?

00:11:49.700 kept recognizing Chinese. I guess in this household, there was some Chinese figurines

00:11:54.540 and furniture. So people were like, okay, she's from China or she's from somewhere near China or

00:12:00.320 she's been to China. She refused meat. She also refused alcohol. She went to see the mayor. She 0.97

00:12:07.520 kind of keeps elevating. Like first she met the cobbler, then she went to the oversee of the poor,

00:12:11.680 then to the magistrate. And now she's meeting the mayor. And at this meeting, there was a

00:12:16.040 magistrate present who said her language is unlike anything he'd ever seen. It's just a

00:12:20.800 great mystery. But everyone is like, OK, we think her name is Caribou and we think she's from

00:12:24.900 somewhere Asian, which is quite broad. I love this element of the story, how she's kind of

00:12:31.240 climbing the social ladder, starting with a cobbler and then working her way up to the mayor

00:12:35.860 and just puzzling everyone she meets along the way. So after Princess Caribou meets the mayor,

00:12:40.740 She spends some time in a vagrant hospital in Bristol, but eventually Elizabeth Worrell comes

00:12:47.240 and retrieves her from that hospital and invites her to live with her and Samuel at their property,

00:12:53.520 which is called Knoll. And it's at Knoll that much of Princess Caribou's backstory starts to emerge.

00:13:00.360 So what is that backstory? So I do want to mention something I forgot to say about this is part of

00:13:05.720 her backstory that they want to find explanations for and probably why she's sent to the hospital 0.66

00:13:10.060 as well is her hair is cut short which is not usual for women in 1817 in England but maybe it

00:13:16.060 is from wherever she's from but you can also see the scars on the back of her neck from some sort

00:13:20.540 of cupping procedure or some sort of medical thing so it might be they think is this is this

00:13:25.080 person in medical distress so I think that's part of why they took her to the hospital as well

00:13:28.740 yeah after she was at the vagrant hospital and part of why she left there was because Elizabeth

00:13:33.020 Worrell was really I don't know if she felt a connection to her or she's just so enraptured

00:13:37.620 by the story but she felt a personal obligation to take care of her and so she comes with them

00:13:42.540 to knoll and this is where i'm gonna say an allegedly portuguese man because i don't know

00:13:49.240 who this guy is really um named manuel anesso happened to be in bristol and they're like oh

00:13:54.640 you're portuguese like um can you maybe she's speaking portuguese can you come and see her

00:13:58.900 and so this is where we get a lot of her backstories from her meeting with this guy manuel

00:14:02.880 So what he said that he gleaned from her communications is that she was a princess from an island in the East Indies who had been brought to England against her consent and then either was abandoned or escaped.

00:14:17.560 And again, everybody by now accepts that her name is Caribou. And she she saw many more visitors during her time there.

00:14:24.380 So there was a man who came who had made several visits to the East Indies and was familiar with Chinese customs.

00:14:29.600 so he determined that she was the daughter of a Chinese father and a Malaysian mother who had

00:14:35.100 been killed in war she's from a place called Javasu and how she wound up in England is she

00:14:41.060 was walking in her garden was seized by pirate and then she was sold to another ship captain

00:14:45.940 along with some other captured women and then when they arrived in England she jumped off the

00:14:50.960 ship she escaped and swam ashore she had been wearing you know Javasu clothes this whole time 0.81

00:14:56.580 but then she exchanged them with a woman in England for the black dress that she was wearing

00:15:00.040 now, wandered around for six weeks before she found her way to Almondsbury. So this is what

00:15:06.620 we've learned. So now we know that she's a princess. We know that she's this brave person

00:15:10.220 who escaped human trafficking and war. Quite the fighter. So Princess Caribou stays at Knoll for a

00:15:17.800 period of several weeks. And while she's there, various outside observers study her habits and

00:15:24.460 her skills. What are some of the traits that really stuck out to these outside observers?

00:15:29.240 She worshipped a deity called Allah Tala, which is one of the formal names for God in Islam. 0.70

00:15:36.320 She preferred rice to bread. She ate no meat. She didn't drink alcohol. She only drank water and

00:15:41.720 tea. She said prayers morning and night, fasted every Tuesday. And on every Tuesday, she would

00:15:47.140 climb onto the roof of Noel to face the sun, it seemed like. There was a pond nearby and she would

00:15:55.120 go there and wash her hands and her face there in what seemed like a religious or a spiritual

00:15:59.380 practice. I don't know where she's getting all these accessories from, but she sometimes carried

00:16:04.500 a gong on her back and a tambourine in her hand. I guess these were just around Noel. Maybe they

00:16:09.680 were offered to her a wooden sword on her right and a bow and arrow on her left. She knew how to 0.54

00:16:14.560 do archery. She knew how to do fencing. One time she was found she'd climbed a tree. They weren't

00:16:20.540 sure where she was, but Elizabeth was, you know, where's my friend? And they learned from Caribou,

00:16:26.140 who I think was picking up, seemed to be picking up some English words. No one was picking up

00:16:30.320 Javasu from her, but it seemed like she was able to communicate a bit better. But it seemed like

00:16:34.380 Princess Caribou had climbed the tree because all the women in the house had left and she felt

00:16:38.360 unsafe being in a house with only men. There was one thing she did once where she was given a

00:16:45.560 dagger and then she went to a household plant and rubbed a bit of the juice from the plant

00:16:50.920 onto the dagger and then mimed passing out to kind of show like, you know where I'm from, 0.99

00:16:55.720 we put poison on our blades. These are the things she's doing. Some of these are similar to the 0.83

00:17:01.380 practices in various cultures and groups, but no one knew of a culture or group that did all of

00:17:06.300 these things. You can see why she fascinated so many people because she definitely has this

00:17:11.180 exoticism about her, but she also gives off major warrior princess vibes. Sounds like she was very

00:17:16.800 athletic, right? Climbing up trees and climbing onto the roof of Noel. Yeah, no, exactly. You

00:17:22.980 know, that's a really good point because I think, yeah, yeah, I think it's not just like, oh, she's

00:17:26.740 a princess from far away. She's not like a swooning damsel. She's some sort of like brave

00:17:32.100 hero. Yeah. More Amazonian. So I understand that Princess Caribou's behavior was slightly erratic,

00:17:41.140 you might say, while she was at Knoll. So she vanished without explanation. And on two occasions,

00:17:48.240 the first time was about three weeks after her arrival. And then the second time was about two

00:17:53.940 months after she first showed up. We will return to these mysterious disappearances in due course,

00:18:00.140 but you should know that they were happening while she was staying at Knoll and gaining a

00:18:05.240 lot of attention. Her name was already appearing in headlines across England and Scotland, correct?

00:18:11.660 Yeah, the people were writing articles because it's just an interesting and weird thing and

00:18:15.940 people are excited about it. And these were accompanied by drawings of what she looked

00:18:19.780 like as well. I wonder if they thought that maybe readers could come forward and help in this effort

00:18:25.060 to identify who she was and where she came from.

00:18:29.180 I think that was definitely part of what they're doing, because partially it's just like,

00:18:32.320 look at this weird situation. I think it was. I think part of it was like, this is what's

00:18:36.200 happening. And this is probably how some of these people who came to try to help arrive,

00:18:41.000 you know, it's like, oh, I've traveled around the Orient. Let me talk to her. You know,

00:18:45.140 I think that's where some of these people found out about it and came from.

00:18:48.500 Right. I know Portuguese and no one else who knows Portuguese has met her. So maybe she

00:18:52.440 speaks Portuguese. Right. Anyway, during Princess Caribou's stay at Knoll, several people do

00:18:57.460 suspect that she is not who she says she is, but she's able to convince them that, in fact,

00:19:02.960 she is this Princess Caribou who has come from abroad. So who are some of these skeptics and

00:19:08.840 why are they ultimately kind of brought around? So remember, they brought her to the Whorls

00:19:14.860 because they had a servant who spoke a language other than English. So I don't know that servant's

00:19:20.160 name but it's a man who is greek and he i think from day one was just like oh she's this is a scam

00:19:26.540 this is i don't believe this i don't believe her because she was sleeping i think the same rooms

00:19:31.000 as some of the servants so they would try to see like does she speak in her sleep in a different

00:19:34.220 language like the servants i feel like we're trying to catch her out but even this greek

00:19:38.900 man eventually seemed to come around um he felt sympathy for her especially after she

00:19:45.600 after one of her escapes she came down with an illness seemingly typhus and it seems like he

00:19:51.600 felt sympathy for her and treated her with kindness whether he believed her or not I don't

00:19:55.640 know but I think he stopped trying to to catch her out there was a moment when she had this illness

00:20:00.920 and again she only spoke in Javasu language even when she has a fever and dealing with doctors and

00:20:08.400 stuff and there was a moment where one of the doctors spoke in English to Elizabeth saying oh

00:20:13.120 I don't know if she's going to make it through the night or something like that. And it seemed

00:20:16.120 like Princess Caribou's face flushed when she heard that as though she understood English.

00:20:20.600 But then people were like, no, no, she just her face flushes a lot. She has typhus. Don't worry 0.93

00:20:24.460 about it. She must have been so charismatic and interesting. People wanted to believe. 0.78

00:20:30.340 All right. So there are some questions hovering around whether or not this is a hoax.

00:20:35.540 Eventually, a Dr. Wilkinson of Bath examines Princess Caribou and publishes his findings

00:20:42.480 in the Bristol Journal. So what does Dr. Wilkinson have to say?

00:20:46.900 So he's from Bath. And the reason that I think he became involved was during one of her

00:20:50.560 disappearances, Caribou was discovered in Bath, the city. He met her there and he was intrigued

00:20:55.760 by her whole story. And so he spoke with her. And so he's a linguistics expert. He's a self-proclaimed

00:21:03.560 expert in lots of things. But one of the things he said is he compared her language to a book

00:21:08.380 that's called pantographia which was an encyclopedia of known alphabets and scripts like

00:21:13.100 internationally he compared her language to there he also looked at the marks remember the marks on

00:21:20.220 the back of her head from some sort of cupping procedure and he's like oh yeah that's what they

00:21:24.460 do in asia in quote the orient he said that her appearance made him think like her pale skin her

00:21:31.180 dark hair and eyes made him presume she was from she was circassian um which is a northwest

00:21:37.560 caucasian ethnic group in the north caucasus like in it's part of modern-day russia although

00:21:43.400 she said that she's from the west indies and now he's saying that she's from the caucasus

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00:24:56.420 And we're back. Dr. Wilkinson publishes his article and then Elizabeth Worrell

00:25:02.580 receives some surprising revelations from more than one source.

00:25:06.900 So the article comes out, I think, again, there's a picture of her, like a drawing.

00:25:11.300 And a woman named Mrs. Neal saw that and thought, well, that looks an awful lot like my,

00:25:17.340 she's a landlady, Mrs. Neal. 0.99

00:25:19.180 And she's like, well, that looks a lot like my tenant, who's a woman called Mary Wilcox.

00:25:23.160 And I think who is like in arrears on paying her rent and has not been around for three to four 0.90

00:25:28.200 weeks. So Mrs. Neal went to see someone called Mr. Mortimer. Not sure who that is, but he's an

00:25:35.440 intermediary who brings Mrs. Neal to the Whirls. At around the same time, a boy arrived in town.

00:25:43.640 He remembered seeing someone who looked like Caribou along the road, and he remembered that

00:25:48.580 she had drunk alcohol when she was with him, although Princess Caribou, you know, never drinks

00:25:52.480 alcohol. And so this double confirmation that Caribou was maybe a grifter convinced Elizabeth

00:25:58.200 that her friend was maybe not all that she said she was. So in response to these revelations,

00:26:05.520 Elizabeth Worrell essentially devises a scheme to entrap and expose Princess Caribou as a fraudstress. 0.96

00:26:13.260 As much as Caribou is like a dramatic person, you know, with all of her sort of performance 0.85

00:26:18.420 of of her ethnicity and her culture. Elizabeth has some dramatic instincts as well here,

00:26:24.160 because this is straight out of Agatha Christie Poro situation. It's just like,

00:26:28.800 let's get everyone in a room together. We started out talking about that portrait by Edward Bird.

00:26:33.540 So during this time, Caribou has been going regularly into Bristol to the studio of Edward

00:26:38.680 Bird to pose for this portrait. So Elizabeth told Caribou that they were going to Bristol in the

00:26:43.560 morning to for another sitting for this portrait. But when they got to Bristol, they did not go to

00:26:49.080 the portrait studio, but rather they went to the home of this man, Mr. Mortimer. And Mrs. Neal was

00:26:54.340 waiting there to confront her. The jig was up. Yeah. Yeah. Everything. Everything starts to come

00:27:00.960 out. Honestly, Elizabeth, iconic behavior. Where is her portraits? Yeah. But the fact that Elizabeth

00:27:07.520 didn't confront her herself, but sort of like brought about this scheme to trap her in this

00:27:13.260 room with someone who knew her real identity. It's, you know, good job, Elizabeth. Yes. I would

00:27:18.360 also say it missed opportunity. I want like a double portrait with both Elizabeth Worrell and

00:27:24.220 Princess Caribou. I know. Yeah. If only Edward Byrd had been there to like sketch the confrontation.

00:27:30.340 The great revelation. All right. So at this point, the cat is out of the bag and Princess

00:27:35.960 Caribou gradually admits that her real name is Mary and that she was born in Witheridge,

00:27:41.280 Devonshire. What were Mary's childhood and adolescence like? What was her life actually

00:27:46.780 like? What I'm going to say is her life story is just as interesting as Princess Caribou being

00:27:51.520 captured by pirates and just as many twists and turns. So she revealed her story and that's

00:27:55.820 partially because Elizabeth said, if you tell me who you really are, I'm not going to kick you out.

00:28:02.160 Mary was also upset, like, please don't tell my father. So Elizabeth said, tell me the truth

00:28:06.320 and I will, you know, I'll stand by you, which is remarkable, actually, for Elizabeth.

00:28:11.780 It is. I mean, she's shown real compassion for her from beginning to end in this narrative,

00:28:17.240 hasn't she? That's probably partially why Mary does come clean. At first, she tries to be like,

00:28:21.500 oh, I actually lived in Bombay for a while. And they're like, Mary, no, who are you really? Mary.

00:28:26.700 And she's like, OK, I'm from Devonshire. Her father was, interestingly, a cobbler. That was

00:28:31.240 the first person who she met in Almondsbury as well. So she had been given no education.

00:28:35.160 like I think a typical sort of upbringing in this era for that class of person so she's put to work 0.63

00:28:41.120 at age eight in farms and things like that just sort of manual labor mostly at age 16 she started

00:28:47.460 working at a farmhouse but she left there as the pay was too low even as a poor young working

00:28:54.080 person like she had dreams and sort of standards for herself like she didn't just go to a job and

00:28:59.060 say okay here's my job she's like no I want something better so she just kind of kept moving

00:29:03.200 around getting various jobs there was one part where during her teenage years she went to Exeter

00:29:07.980 and she worked there for a while and she made enough money to buy herself this beautiful white

00:29:11.840 dress and then she went home to her parents and the parents were like that dress is too beautiful

00:29:16.380 you must have stolen it in terms of you know costuming and just like theatricality and

00:29:21.180 presenting herself in different ways this was obviously part of her life so she ended up

00:29:25.580 wandering around begging she winds up in London and she falls ill she's taken to St. Giles Hospital

00:29:31.560 because she this is where she had her head shaved and a cupping treatment was done so this is by

00:29:36.800 the time she gets to almond spray later her hair is grown back in and that's why it's short and

00:29:40.340 that's why there's the cupping treatment scars as well anyway so she's in london and she was

00:29:44.840 working for someone who seemed pretty nice mrs matthews who taught her to read and permitted her

00:29:49.300 to read various books in her collection so this is part of like mary's story sort of starts to

00:29:53.840 reveal how did she learn about these different because a lot of the things she was doing were

00:29:57.600 similar to what people do do in various different cultures. So this is part of where she starts

00:30:02.520 like acquiring this knowledge to maybe eventually become caribou. So she ended up leaving this

00:30:08.420 position. I briefly, very briefly, she was very taken by their Jewish neighbors and by their

00:30:15.760 their customs and their culture. And she snuck away to go attend a Jewish wedding. And that's

00:30:20.600 why she was she lost that job. So she's always really interested in other cultural traditions.

00:30:25.340 So when I said, like, this is just as interesting as the caribou story of leaving Javasu,

00:30:30.100 because next she traded in her clothes for men's clothes because she thought maybe I'll

00:30:34.160 make more money begging if I'm a man, at which point she caught up with a gang of bandits

00:30:38.560 who taught her how to shoot a pistol. 0.70

00:30:40.760 But then they parted ways after they realized that she was a woman.

00:30:44.460 It's another example of her kind of trying to assume a new identity, in this case as a man.

00:30:49.960 One of the many figures she encounters on her various travels is this, quote unquote,

00:30:58.220 gentlemanly looking man whom she may have married. We don't quite know about that.

00:31:03.540 But what does she learn from this gentlemanly looking man?

00:31:07.240 The only reason we know that he's a gentleman looking man is because that's all that she ever

00:31:11.260 revealed about him or his identity. His name might have been Beckerstein or Baker Stint,

00:31:16.820 which sounds maybe german anyway so they may or may not have actually been married but she became

00:31:21.640 pregnant by him and he had some knowledge of malaysia language and customs so maybe he'd been

00:31:25.980 a sailor or something like that so this is where she learned some of the stuff that she would later

00:31:30.240 perform as caribou he abandoned her he went to calais in france he promised to to send for her

00:31:36.860 but he never did so she is pregnant alone and when the child was born she gave it up to a

00:31:42.580 foundling hospital and the child like so many did in this era died in infancy between leaving home

00:31:50.040 at 16 she's now maybe 24 years old like this has been a adventure packed few years and this is

00:31:56.380 where she heads off towards bristol so she goes begging and she finds that if she acts the role

00:32:01.520 of a foreigner while begging then she people are a bit more sympathetic to her she eventually

00:32:07.020 makes it to Bristol. And there she learns that she can buy a ticket basically to take a ship

00:32:14.240 across the Atlantic to the United States. And she likes the sound of that idea, but doesn't

00:32:18.780 have the money for it. So what is the plan that she comes up with to acquire that money?

00:32:25.020 Basically, she plans that, OK, there's a ship leaving in, I think, 15 days. And so she's going

00:32:29.520 to put on this role of like, I'm a foreigner and just beg for 15 days to get enough money to pay 0.92

00:32:35.420 for the passage on the ship. At this point, she leaves her trunk with her belongings behind with

00:32:41.100 her landlady, Mrs. Neal, and then heads out to go begging, which is why when she's first seen

00:32:47.620 in Almondsbury, she's just looking for a room for the night. Now we're in a position to explain

00:32:52.000 those two mysterious disappearances that we mentioned a few minutes back. What were those

00:32:55.780 all about? Right. So this is where you double back to be like, well, here's what was really

00:32:59.680 happening. So the first time she went away, she had gone to Bristol, where she had gone back to

00:33:05.780 her landlady. She went back to get her possessions to then get on a ship to go to America. But the

00:33:10.980 ship that she had planned on taking had already left. So she paid her overdue rent to the landlady 0.72

00:33:15.740 and then returned to Almondsbury with this bundle of clothes. And at the point, at this point, she,

00:33:21.500 like when Caribou returned with a bunch of clothes, they're like, what are these clothes?

00:33:24.860 And she said, oh, these were clothes I had left and I had buried earlier.

00:33:29.700 And somehow she's communicating this with hand gestures.

00:33:34.100 Because at that point, she's still speaking her native language, quote unquote.

00:33:38.340 In Javasu style.

00:33:39.420 And so the second time she went missing, this was where, well, she wound up in Bath and that's where she met that doctor.

00:33:44.460 But I think she was also eventually hoping to get onto a ship to America.

00:33:49.280 But the people in Bath told Elizabeth Worrell and then Elizabeth Worrell came and picked her up.

00:33:53.120 And so all along, she's just kind of wanted to get to America.

00:33:57.780 You know, at this time of 1817 and maybe still today, it's this concept of like, that's a place where you can start a new, you know, start a new identity, like build a new life for yourself.

00:34:06.000 Like, clearly, that's what she's been constantly trying to do.

00:34:09.460 Two things just leap out to me when I hear this story.

00:34:12.300 First of all, can you imagine how flabbergasted these people were even to hear her speak in English to them?

00:34:18.220 She's like, I could have told you this all along.

00:34:20.560 Like, I knew English this whole time.

00:34:22.420 oh my gosh yeah well and that's where like when you look back at some of the details as well 0.99

00:34:27.320 because i mentioned you know there's some of the servants who were suspicious of her and she

00:34:30.700 overheard them talking in english and they said well we're gonna stay awake to see if when she's

00:34:34.940 asleep you know if she speaks in english in her sleep but she heard them say that because she

00:34:39.240 understood english so then she would pretend to be asleep and then like talk in javasu language

00:34:43.960 like pretending to be asleep you know when the the various you know travelers came to visit her

00:34:49.300 she would have heard them say like, oh, well, in Malaysia, this is what they do with their daggers. 0.87

00:34:53.340 You know, they put poison on them. So then she would just do that because she heard them say 0.87

00:34:57.840 that in English and they wouldn't have known that she understood them.

00:35:01.660 Right. They were unwittingly making these suggestions.

00:35:06.040 Yeah. So if they say like, oh, maybe she's a runaway princess. She's like, OK, yeah, 0.88

00:35:09.460 OK, I'll do that. But you're right. You're right. Just the way this would blow everyone's mind to

00:35:13.700 be living with her for a couple of months. And then suddenly she's just like, oh, yeah,

00:35:17.600 Oi, I'm Mary. I'm from, you know, like, oh, my gosh.

00:35:20.460 Am I correct here?

00:35:22.900 She's so consistent in using the same Javasu word to refer to the same object, right?

00:35:29.820 Yeah. Yeah. That's what everybody remarked on. 0.98

00:35:31.880 Like even, you know, the linguistics doctors and stuff like she she just made up this language and committed to it.

00:35:38.740 And she was consistent about it, like with the language and also with her sort of rituals, you know, every Tuesday climbing on the roof or saying her prayers in a certain way.

00:35:46.880 Yeah. So it didn't seem like somebody just talking. No one ever seemed to think, oh, she's insane. This is a person just speaking gibberish.

00:35:54.840 And there's definitely an intellect to this woman as well. If she's creating this language and then kind of sticking with it as she invents it, you know, that that's quite an intellectual feat. 0.96

00:36:04.820 Well, and the fact that she's just a person who is planning to just pretend to be a random foreigner for 15 days and then peace out to America, that she ends up for three months having to be the princess of Javasu 24 hours a day.

00:36:17.360 That's the other thing that I wanted to talk about, because I would just love to have been

00:36:21.360 able to sit down with Mary, Princess Caribou, and just be like, okay, wait, take me through

00:36:26.560 this strategy again. Because you mentioned that she thought that she could earn more money as 0.99

00:36:32.240 a foreigner because people would kind of take pity on her. I mean, is there any evidence that

00:36:36.700 she tried to beg for money when she showed up in Almansbury? It seems like she was more interested

00:36:42.180 like shooting her bone arrow and like climbing trees and stuff it seemed to shift pretty quickly

00:36:48.360 so at first she had she saw some people from france from britney like the breton national

00:36:53.580 costume if you look it up it's like they it involves this sort of like white lace hat and

00:36:58.740 she saw some people from that region begging and being successful so she's like okay i'm gonna just

00:37:03.380 pretend to be a french person then but then she ran into someone who actually was french so then

00:37:07.460 she was like pivot um i'm spanish and then she ran into someone who is who spoke spanish and

00:37:12.480 she's like pivot i speak my own made-up language now i think she was begging like when she got to

00:37:17.480 almond spree she was just like i need a roof over my head and then she got to all the way to the

00:37:22.180 worlds and then she started meeting people who wanted to decode her language and and those were

00:37:27.980 the people who were like oh yeah no she told me that she's a princess she's from javasu she was

00:37:32.000 captured by pirates like it was really sort of a team effort another person might have gotten to

00:37:37.300 the worlds and snuck away the first night. But she stayed there climbing trees, you know, diving in

00:37:43.040 the pond, like fencing, like she was leaning into it. Yeah, I mean, the worlds were also so generous.

00:37:48.560 So you imagine that if somehow she just indicated to them that she needed some money, they would

00:37:54.180 have just given it to her and she could have gone on her merry way. But I get the sense that she was

00:37:57.940 doing this partly out of love for the game. She's like, no, I'm gonna like, I'm committed to this

00:38:02.640 character. Along the way, she was finding, you know, she dressed up as a man or she pretended

00:38:07.520 to be from France. Like she was always trying on different identities, changing her last name. So

00:38:12.080 I think she's just like, this is my dream. You know, in another life, maybe she would have been

00:38:15.240 an actress or something. But she's just somebody who gets to just like, let's play this out. Like,

00:38:19.100 how far can I take this? Like, how much fun can I have at these people's expense? Yeah.

00:38:23.920 This story all comes out. And after she has heard everything, Elizabeth Worrell offers to pay for

00:38:31.480 Mary's passage to America. What are the days leading up to her departure like? And again,

00:38:36.500 at this point, she's still generating a lot of media attention, right? A lot of people are still

00:38:41.260 interested in this story and how it will play out. She's so famous at this point. Yeah. Like the

00:38:47.560 fact like the mysterious Princess Caribou is an exciting story. People like to read about,

00:38:51.700 you know, newspapers and pamphlets. But now that it's like, oh, Princess Caribou is actually a

00:38:56.680 hoax people are even more excited like she's even more famous now because she pulled it off for as

00:39:01.780 long as she did right because elizabeth had her back like and that's the thing too like if she'd 0.85

00:39:06.840 been sent to a different magistrate and his wife maybe it would have been different but 0.99

00:39:10.020 she's there's never any talk about sending her to jail charging her with a crime like elizabeth 0.68

00:39:15.420 just supports her and she's like you and like you just said before like oh she wants to go to

00:39:19.400 america okay i'll pay for my friend to go to america like um elizabeth also she kind of does

00:39:24.100 her due diligence she sends a man to mary's parents to find out like is that story true

00:39:29.360 and they do they find her parents are just these kind of like normal people and i like this detail

00:39:34.660 the father said that um mary got rheumatic fever when she was 15 years old and ever since then she

00:39:40.540 had not been right in the mind and the only examples he gives of this is that she always

00:39:44.520 wanted to go to america and she only ever drank water not beer clearly unhinged well i guess

00:39:52.360 it was probably dangerous to drink water all the time back then so actually fair but still the fact

00:39:58.700 that his only examples are just kind of like a sort of natural and understandable urge to get

00:40:04.120 out of the small town poor poverty-stricken life you're in it's like i don't think this is like the

00:40:09.360 story of an unhinged person who's like deranged in the mind i think it's a really ambitious

00:40:14.200 interesting smart woman who wanted more than she you know than life was ready to give her 1.00

00:40:20.600 on the one hand there is some appreciation for just her skills like okay good on you like you 0.98

00:40:26.140 had us all fooled that was amazing but also i mean you think about her actual life story it

00:40:32.360 would elicit sympathy from people because she had a really rough upbringing and lost a child and

00:40:40.040 you know had wandered in poverty for so many years so i guess in that sense it also makes

00:40:44.600 sense that elizabeth world would want to help her financially in whatever way she could

00:40:49.000 that's a really good point yeah because i think elizabeth hears her true story and it's actually

00:40:53.740 heartbreaking you're right like maybe she's not princess caribou but it's still sort of

00:40:57.420 a very sympathetic story so elizabeth gives her everything she needs so she finds her spot on a

00:41:01.920 ship um gives her clothes and money like enough money to support herself until she found a position

00:41:06.320 there and just as to sort of illustrate her fame um the ticket for this ship was purchased under the 0.99

00:41:13.100 a fake name the name mary burgess which is her mother's maiden name because um the name mary

00:41:18.980 baker or mary wilcox was so was as famous as caribou at this point so they just didn't want

00:41:24.640 people to i don't know be going to the show there's not paparazzi but you know they didn't

00:41:29.200 want everybody there with their cell phones filming her what one of the people who saw her

00:41:33.440 at the time said um that they they found it notable that she didn't seem to be showing any

00:41:38.280 signs of being guilty for having fooled everybody. But instead, she seemed proud for how successful

00:41:44.300 she had pulled it off for as long as she had. And I think, yeah, of course she was. This is

00:41:48.720 actually really impressive what she did. Mary is eventually able to board a ship for Philadelphia

00:41:54.180 on June 28, 1817. And I have to confess, at this point in the story, part of me fully expected her

00:42:01.540 just to vanish from the historical record entirely because she's off to America, never heard from

00:42:06.580 again. But that is not at all what happened, is it? So what happens? First of all, so she goes to

00:42:13.280 Philadelphia in June 1817. So this is around the same time that Napoleon has been sent to exile

00:42:20.140 in St. Helena. And so a guy wrote this letter, allegedly Sir Hudson Lowe, the official who was

00:42:26.620 in charge of Napoleon on St. Helena. And he claimed that the Philadelphia bound ship had been

00:42:33.500 driven close to St. Helena by a storm, that Mary cut herself adrift, rowed ashore, and she so

00:42:39.940 fascinated Napoleon that he was applying to the Pope for dispensation to marry her.

00:42:45.740 This is not true, listeners. But, you know, it could have been.

00:42:51.260 We want it to be true. And that counts for something.

00:42:55.400 Yeah. Yeah. So this is why you sometimes see her. And there's not a lot out there about her other

00:43:01.280 than the books I was able to find.

00:43:03.260 But sometimes when you read about her,

00:43:04.520 people are like, oh yeah,

00:43:05.280 she was a mistress of Napoleon.

00:43:07.020 It's like, no, no.

00:43:09.860 I mean, in the fan fiction version of the story,

00:43:12.420 she definitely was.

00:43:14.040 You know what?

00:43:14.520 This was absolutely,

00:43:15.500 this guy wrote fan fiction

00:43:16.540 to the Bristol Journal in 1817,

00:43:18.460 imagining what if this happened to her.

00:43:20.040 What actually happened to her

00:43:21.240 is she arrived in Philadelphia safely

00:43:23.380 and some people had heard of her

00:43:25.640 and she was persuaded by a showman

00:43:27.580 called Sanders to appear,

00:43:29.660 like to do a stage performance

00:43:30.860 as Princess Caribou, just like dancing and speaking her language.

00:43:34.720 Apparently the show was not a success.

00:43:36.980 And I think, because you would ask me like, what was the show like?

00:43:39.240 So I was digging a bit more into it.

00:43:40.780 And I think she could have put on a great show, 1.00

00:43:42.980 but not dancing and speaking her language. 0.86

00:43:44.460 I think doing fencing, acrobatic tricks.

00:43:48.760 I don't know.

00:43:49.200 I don't think Sanders had a good vision for the show.

00:43:51.260 So the show, not a success, not a success.

00:43:53.900 It's one of the great ironies to the story, right?

00:43:55.880 Because she had sort of played the part of Princess Caribou to perfection

00:43:59.860 in Bristol. So you could see why someone would want to put her on stage. But it's so ironic that,

00:44:05.920 you know, you put her within a theatrical context and for whatever reason, it just busts.

00:44:10.560 So unfortunately, Mary does not find much success on stage as Princess Caribou, but she does stick

00:44:16.400 around in the United States for a couple of years. And eventually she returns to Britain. So

00:44:22.560 what happens after that? Can we just wrap this story up for us?

00:44:26.180 yeah so she returns to britain and and perhaps she returned because she thought like well maybe

00:44:31.280 there i can make it go over the princess caribou routine um and she put herself on exhibition

00:44:36.980 like apparently she had she it sounds like she set up a booth on the street sort of vibe of just

00:44:43.360 come meet princess caribou um in london again not successful at this point several years have passed

00:44:50.700 right since the whole princess caribou sensation so maybe it's sort of like no one cares anymore

00:44:56.580 i'm sure there's been some new weird thing that's happening yeah it's like seven years later so we

00:45:03.080 know that by 1828 so that's almost 10 years after the caribou scenario she had she got married to a

00:45:11.260 man named richard baker she had a daughter named marianne and as far as we know for the next like

00:45:18.280 30 years, she successfully runs an operation, a leech business selling leeches to Bristol

00:45:26.540 Infirmary Hospital because leeches were what you did in hospitals. And someone has to acquire and

00:45:33.740 sell the leeches. And I never thought, you know, it's like such a joke about like old time hospitals

00:45:39.640 like, oh, let's leeches, let's bleed them. But I've never once thought, well, where does a hospital

00:45:44.540 acquire the leeches from, a business like hers. Eventually, she died from a fall. So December 1864,

00:45:53.300 and she was buried in the Hebron Road Cemetery in Bristol. But her daughter, Mary Ann, continued on

00:45:58.700 the family leech business. And then Mary Ann, this is just what I read, Mary Ann did not get

00:46:04.920 married. She lived in a house full of Pat, and then she died in a house fire in 1900. And that's

00:46:10.820 that's the end of Princess Caribou's lineage, I guess. That's her, you know, her daughter dies

00:46:15.800 and that's kind of the end of the saga. But, you know, her portrait still on display, her story

00:46:20.880 still, still known by some people. Still fodder for podcasters. Yeah. And how many, you know,

00:46:27.980 cobbler's daughters from 1817 are still being talked about. Great. Well, that is the story

00:46:34.500 of Princess Caribou. It is quite a wild one. So I'm just curious, are there any lessons that you

00:46:39.980 think we can draw about history from this this story? There's so many interesting and weird

00:46:46.340 stories that can feel really contemporary you know like I think there's a tendency of people

00:46:52.660 to think about history as these very sort of straight-laced like the way that people look

00:46:56.560 in a portrait you just imagine everyone's going around being very formal all the time

00:47:00.200 and you never hear about the poor people but actually like people are out there like Mary

00:47:05.520 was such a fascinating person she was so ambitious she was so interesting and it does feel a bit you

00:47:10.680 know like people who you see now coming out on just people who become a tiktok star or they're

00:47:15.180 on a reality show like it's such a modern way of being to just like completely reinvent yourself

00:47:20.080 pretend to be a different ethnicity then you get cancelled but then you keep going like it's just

00:47:25.140 a reminder to me this story that people have always been people and messy and interesting and

00:47:30.600 like, especially like women from poor classes are never talked about, you know, today, but also when

00:47:37.880 we're looking at history, because we don't know their stories. And if other women were as interesting 1.00

00:47:41.420 as Mary, then I hope we can find more of their stories. That is funny to sort of think of her 0.69

00:47:46.100 as someone who like, went viral in a 19th century way. Well, I guess that about does it for Princess

00:47:54.360 Caribou. Any last thoughts that you want to share with listeners, Anne? I just want to thank you for

00:47:59.800 inviting me on your podcast and agreeing to do this story. Because again, like I said, it's one

00:48:04.300 that I've always kind of wanted to do on my podcast, but it's never really fit any of the

00:48:08.160 themes that I've been doing. But I was like, this is perfect. There's the portrait. There's the

00:48:12.280 crime. It's ideal for you. So thank you so much for the opportunity. All right. With that, let's

00:48:16.820 sign off. Thanks again, Anne. Yeah, thank you so much. Hey, everyone. It's Anne again. So that was

00:48:27.280 that was an episode of the art of crime podcast and i had so much fun talking with gavin in this

00:48:31.620 episode it's so much fun talking with gavin two weeks ago when we did our madame tussaud episode

00:48:36.520 and if you want to hear more of gavin his podcast is called the art of crime and you can find that

00:48:40.960 wherever you get your podcasts from and i hope to have him back on vulgar history again later this

00:48:46.380 season hopefully so what we're going to be doing just so you know for the next little bit because

00:48:51.040 i'm just like in this intensive like writing a book situation well at the same time uh providing

00:48:56.160 some new episodes for you every week or revisited episodes. Anyway, what next week is going to be

00:49:02.060 is the first of several author interviews. And we haven't really done a lot of author interviews

00:49:06.680 during this Marie Antoinette season, but we're getting up to gift giving season,

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00:49:26.060 incredible books that I think would be good for gift giving season slash giving yourself a book.

00:49:30.680 Isn't it in Iceland where like late December, early January, or is it just like the month of

00:49:36.080 December? You just like give a book every day or something. Anyway, next week, we're going to be

00:49:40.840 talking with an author about a book that actually connects with a deep, deep dive episode of vulgar

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00:55:31.880 90 minutes because there's so much to talk about. And next week is going to be like that. But anyway,

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Vulgar History - November 13, 2024

The Mysterious Foreign Princess Who Wasn't What She Seemed

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