00:16:00.700They're like they don't want they're like rejecting.
00:16:03.300They're rejecting the truth and beauty.
00:16:06.180They all look like rejects from a loony bin.
00:16:08.980Like, why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions?
00:16:16.220Obviously, this hearing was unsuccessful. Comstock would spend another three decades opening other
00:16:22.920people's mail and probably viewing more pornographic content than any other single man in existence at
00:16:28.840the time. Sometimes I feel like maybe all of this was just a scam to let Comstock build his own
00:16:33.680porn library for free. But again, I don't have any proof of that. I just like to make scurrilous
00:16:39.040speculations about people's morality when they're this interested in other people's morality.
00:16:45.240Margaret Sanger, who would be one of the final obsessions of Comstock in his later years, had this to say about the whole thing.
00:16:51.800When the Constitution of the United States authorized Congress to establish post offices and post roads, it was not intended that the authority should go beyond this.
00:16:59.880It did not authorize it to censor the matter to be conveyed, nor to sit in judgment upon the moral or intellectual qualities of the printed matter or parcel entrusted to it to deliver.
00:17:09.940The post office was primarily a mechanical institution, not an ethical one.
00:17:14.240whose business was efficiency, not religion or morality.
00:18:06.080Let me quote to you from the foreword to the 2004 edition of the famous lesbian pulp novel Spring Fire,
00:18:11.660which is actually the reason I know so much about the Comstock Act. That was the book I was writing
00:18:17.460a paper on. Marianne Meeker had pitched an idea for the book to her boss, the new editor at Gold
00:18:23.380Metal Books. She wanted to write a story about her own first love, a girlhood romance she had
00:18:28.460experienced with a fellow female student at her boarding school that had its own real-life
00:18:33.160bittersweet ending, though not anywhere near as tragic as the one that her novel would eventually
00:18:38.380be published with. Carol, her boss, surprised her when he told her that he thought the book could
00:18:43.180be published, but immediately told her she would have to change the story. You might have a good
00:18:47.900story there, Carol said, but you'd have to do two things. The girls would have to be in college,
00:18:52.700not boarding school, and you cannot make homosexuality attractive. No happy ending.
00:18:58.120Well, my story didn't have a happy ending anyway, Meeker said, but your main character can't decide
00:19:03.400she's not strong enough to live that life. She has to reject it knowing that it's wrong. You see,
00:19:09.040our books go through the mail. They have to pass inspection. If one book is considered censurable,
00:19:14.300then a whole shipment is sent back to the publisher. If your book appears to proselytize
00:19:18.840for homosexuality, all the books sent with it to the distributors are returned. You have to
00:19:23.480understand that. I don't care about anybody's sexual preference, but I do care about making
00:19:28.160this new line successful. In other words, Meeker said, my heroine has to decide she's really not
00:19:34.020queer. That's it, and the one she's involved with is sick or crazy. So that's nice and fun.
00:19:40.900The paper I wrote in grad school on this topic found that the exact same tropes that were being
00:19:46.640used to evade the Comstock Act of censorship in the 1950s and 1960s with these pulp novels
00:19:52.340are the same tropes that are used over and over again in American television and film.
00:19:58.140Apparently, the idea that murder or suicide or institutionalization or the fact that one character finds out that they're not really gay and happily becomes a married woman to a man is just really popular still here in America.
00:20:14.380The Comstock Act, however, doesn't actually have anything to do with television, so you might ask, why?
00:20:20.440Why does the Comstock Act have anything to do with these tropes?
00:20:23.180Well, the problem is that Comstockery tends to leave a lasting cultural impact across the board.
00:20:29.520Those books are published with those storylines in them over and over and over again,
00:20:34.440and so when people consume that media, they think, well, that's the way that you tell this story.
00:20:39.260The story always ends sadly, and that translates over into how they write for television and film as well.
00:20:46.360We're seeing the same Anthony Comstock turns of phrases today as well,
00:20:50.040coming out of the mouths of my favorite domestic terrorist organization, Moms for Liberty.
00:20:55.360And while the Comstock law isn't being actively used to censor the kind of things that Comstock
00:20:59.840and Moms for Liberty would find obscene today, it's still on the books. And if they can bring
00:21:04.760it back to restrict access to abortion pills, which is definitely what the conservatives want,
00:21:09.960hell, the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 literally has a section which states,
00:21:15.540campaigned to enforce the criminal prohibitions in 18 U.S.C. 1461 and 1462, the Comstock Act,
00:21:24.020against provider and distributors of abortion pills that use the mail. And who's to say that
00:21:29.260it ends with the mail? Who's to say it ends with restricting abortion pills? That would be bad
00:21:34.480enough, but it can go further. And you might say, but Professor Meredith, this only has the potential
00:21:39.980to censor things sent through the mail, and we live in the 21st century. We have the internet.
00:21:45.540Okay, yeah, sure, but do you really think that internet service providers can't be forced to
00:21:51.420censor what they show based on federal or state laws? Congress literally just passed a law allowing
00:21:57.540them to ban access to an app used by millions of Americans if that app won't do what the government
00:22:04.440tells them to do. How do you think that will be policed? No one's gonna roll up to your house in
00:22:09.920a cop car and force you to delete TikTok from your phone. They're just going to regulate ISPs
00:22:15.640and app stores and prevent them from getting updates on American phones until the apps become
00:22:20.960so unstable that they crash. They'll ban content through back doors, much like many states have
00:22:27.120been doing with their own versions of Comstock laws in the 21st century. States like Utah, Texas,
00:22:33.080Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Virginia, and North Carolina have all passed
00:22:38.760bills that de facto banned Pornhub in their states. Bills like Texas House Bill 1181 which
00:22:45.760required age verification for access to online pornography. On the surface that sounds fine.
00:22:51.400I don't want minors accessing pornography online but the penalty for failing to age verify was so
00:22:58.680ridiculously over the top on the lines of things like $10,000 per day if a child is exposed to
00:23:05.660pornographic content due to not properly verifying a user's age, that Pornhub simply decided to block
00:23:11.860their website in those states rather than risk falling afoul of those fines. It's not a violation
00:23:17.840of the First Amendment, the court said, because the states themselves didn't ban Pornhub. Pornhub
00:23:23.400did that themselves. Just like the government didn't outright tell gold medal books that they
00:23:29.780couldn't publish novels where lesbians rode off happily into the sunset at the end of the story.
00:23:34.640The publisher simply took the proactive approach to make sure that their business couldn't get in trouble in the first place.
00:23:42.060In Utah, HB 29 banned books, including pornographic or indecent material from school libraries,
00:23:48.580and further allowed school districts to ban books throughout the state.
00:23:52.320If three schools, districts, or five charter schools ban a book,
00:23:55.980the book will be automatically banned throughout all the school districts in the state.
00:24:00.440The inclusion of charter schools creates a major loophole in this law, which could serve to get an
00:24:05.480awful lot of books banned statewide. American Preparatory Academy has seven campuses in Utah,
00:24:11.720and Carolyn Charette is one of the founders and the executive director of the school.
00:24:16.360And she explains the school's ethos in this way. I'm hoping to indoctrinate using truth and data
00:24:23.640that Marxism and socialism and communism are bad and that free market is good.
00:24:28.600We are unequivocal about that. Here's a tip, Carolyn. If you have to use the word indoctrinate
00:24:35.400in the sentence, then truth and data are probably not actually a part of your curriculum. Just
00:24:41.640letting you know that right off the bat. And this reminds me that I need to do an episode
00:24:46.680on the absolutely vile history of school choice initiatives in the United States. There's school
00:24:52.360choice. And then there's school choice. And unfortunately, a lot of it is the worst second
00:24:58.820one. We'll talk about that in another episode. But back to my point. Some of the books that have
00:25:03.920been pulled from shelves by schools in Utah already include things like The Kite Runner,
00:25:09.340I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, and The Freedom Writer's Diary. Also, the 2007 National Book
00:25:16.380Award for Young People's Literature book, which was an absolutely true diary of a part-time
00:25:22.260Indian. Yeah, yeah, definitely all of those sound like they're right up there along with penthouse
00:25:28.480as far as levels of pornographic content. I'm certain that these were all intelligent choices
00:25:33.980to ban. If you aren't watching the video version of the podcast, just know that I am, I am rolling
00:25:39.360my eyes a lot. In 2022, the Center for Renewing America, which is a massive red flag of a name
00:25:47.020just off the start, wrote an article titled, Combating Obscenity on the Internet, a Legal
00:25:53.280and Legislative Path Forward, in which they laid out a specific plan for how to combat
00:25:58.280obscenity. And honestly, most of the tools they are using are identical to ones that
00:26:02.960we're already seeing being used successfully in the pro-life camp. Like the case against
00:26:08.140Mifepristone in Texas, which was filed in a district that was notoriously conservative,
00:26:12.540The CRA recommends stacking the deck legally by only bringing federal prosecutions against
00:26:18.180obscenity in trial venues that are conservative enough to get the results that they want.
00:26:24.520Federal prosecutors could reinvigorate this strategy and be more aggressive in bringing
00:26:28.680obscenity cases against online websites in conservative areas of the country, like Utah,
00:26:33.940for example, even if the obscenity is largely distributed in, say, Nevada and New York.
00:26:38.920But more explicitly, they push for federal and state legislation, including what they call a Comstock Act designed for the Internet, which would override Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which at present protects Internet service providers from liability for carrying unlawful content.
00:26:56.040Just like Anthony Comstock, states like Texas and Utah and organizations like Heritage Foundation
00:27:01.680and Center for Renewing America love to use the argument that they're just trying to protect the
00:27:06.680children, but it has nothing to do with protecting children. Just like being pro-life has nothing to
00:27:11.280do with protecting babies. It's about control, plain and simple. It always has been. So let's
00:27:16.600put these zombie laws back in the ground where they belong and keep them there. I don't need
00:27:20.640Comstock coming back from the grave, shambling around, trying to get a look at my internet
00:27:24.420history, or the books, pills, or articles made of rubber for immoral purposes that I may or may not
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