Breaking the Boy Code - April 07, 2022


A Young Man to Be Proud Of

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Uncertain Feelings The Bro Code Versus the Boy Code

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00:00:00.000 Yeah, well, it didn't seem like too much of a big deal at first, but he kind of told me that it meant a lot to him, so I was glad I was able to help.
00:00:30.000 Okay, I jotted down four bullet points.
00:00:41.260 Do you think that's enough for me to go off of?
00:00:44.180 Yeah, sure.
00:00:45.020 What are your bullet points?
00:00:46.900 Well, I'm not wearing my glasses,
00:00:49.120 so I think it says watermelon.
00:00:53.620 Watermelon?
00:00:54.720 Oh, no, that says transformation.
00:00:57.640 I think you need to put your glasses on.
00:01:00.000 I'm kidding.
00:01:02.520 I can read it, kind of.
00:01:06.180 You transform a watermelon seed into a watermelon,
00:01:11.140 and then you cut it up and it becomes food.
00:01:15.620 Wow.
00:01:17.400 Lewis of last year was a little watermelon seed,
00:01:22.860 and he's going to grow into a watermelon plant. 1.00
00:01:27.980 You're nuts. 0.99
00:01:30.000 You don't think that works? 1.00
00:01:32.720 No.
00:01:34.060 Okay.
00:01:35.280 All right.
00:01:35.980 Well, this is what I wrote down.
00:01:40.740 This is the final episode in the four-part series
00:01:43.700 telling the story of Lewis over the last year.
00:01:48.740 So first of all, if you haven't listened to the first three episodes,
00:01:53.220 you've got to hear the rest of the story before you get to this point.
00:01:56.280 because this is where it really comes down to it.
00:02:01.360 But also listening to where Lewis is now won't mean as much
00:02:06.020 or it won't resonate as much if you haven't heard where he's come from.
00:02:10.720 So I definitely encourage you to go check out the first three episodes in this miniseries.
00:02:17.300 What we've talked about so far is Lewis starting at a new school
00:02:21.920 and feeling really lonely, feeling like he wasn't even really going to bother reaching
00:02:27.300 out to anybody.
00:02:28.620 He ended up becoming part of a group of friends that really meant a lot to him, but it turned
00:02:34.320 out, I guess I'll just say they were a lot more violent than he was really ready for.
00:02:40.160 And so over the course of the weeks and the months that he spent with them and sort of
00:02:44.980 getting exposed to how far they were really willing to take things, he actually decided
00:02:50.960 that he wanted to change his friend group
00:02:53.820 and align himself with the victim of their bullying
00:02:57.100 rather than with the bullies themselves.
00:03:02.320 And so what we talked about last time was how difficult that was
00:03:06.160 and some of the choices that he went through in that time.
00:03:14.960 But there's more to this story than that
00:03:17.900 because this isn't a story of, oh, wow, things were kind of difficult sometimes.
00:03:24.100 This is a story of transformation.
00:03:27.840 And so what Lewis has done is not just navigate that difficult experience,
00:03:32.980 but has come out on the other side a better person
00:03:36.640 and someone who makes a difference in the lives of the people around him.
00:03:44.860 That was not bad for four bullet points.
00:03:46.880 You have to give me some credit.
00:03:49.140 That was excellent.
00:03:52.960 Good job.
00:03:55.240 Do you think I'm being like overly flattering to make you sound good for the podcast?
00:04:00.820 No, I mean, I am good, so it's okay for you to make me sound good.
00:04:08.120 But you know, this is genuinely what I think of you, right?
00:04:11.920 Oh, kind of.
00:04:12.620 You tell me all the time.
00:04:15.600 Okay.
00:04:16.580 So did you know that a kangaroo can jump higher than a house?
00:04:21.500 Did I know that a kangaroo can jump higher than a house?
00:04:27.880 Yeah.
00:04:29.120 A kangaroo can, you know, kind of use his hind legs to jump really high.
00:04:34.260 And he can use a lot of force, but a house can't jump at all.
00:04:41.880 Okay.
00:04:42.720 Okay, not bad.
00:04:44.760 Not bad.
00:04:45.980 I was like, biologically speaking, I think, I don't think I agree with this one, but you're not wrong.
00:04:57.580 Okay, buddy boy.
00:05:00.380 So we're going to, we're just going to go for it.
00:05:04.640 We don't have anything prepared and we're going to watch this story unfold before our eyes.
00:05:10.660 So I think the place to pick up the story is moving to a new school.
00:05:14.640 yeah well
00:05:16.260 the school wasn't as big
00:05:20.720 it's not as big as this other school
00:05:22.500 but I mean
00:05:24.000 that's not really the point
00:05:26.460 and this time I didn't
00:05:28.660 go with the attitude of
00:05:30.860 you know I'm not gonna
00:05:31.760 not make any friends
00:05:34.680 because
00:05:36.340 I kind of realized that
00:05:40.800 friends were more important
00:05:42.640 and
00:05:44.640 You know, then even if you can't hang out with them for a long time, you can still kind of have fun while you're there.
00:05:57.420 So, yeah, I met the kid in my math club and I talked to him and he seemed pretty nice, but I didn't know what he was going through.
00:06:14.640 until I saw it and you know I saw some kids kind of making fun of him kind of like the same thing
00:06:24.040 with Matthew he liked to wear clothes that were had a lot of glitter and pink and stuff like that
00:06:34.620 and the kids especially the boys I mean they didn't like it too much so
00:06:40.840 they kept calling him a lot of names and I guess I kind of thought
00:06:48.560 about Matthew and the name calling and stuff so sometimes things kind of start small
00:06:59.640 just with calling someone names but in the end I mean they get bigger
00:07:07.900 and it can really mess with someone's life so like I was afraid that the name calling which
00:07:17.840 seems kind of innocent but it could turn into something more serious like you know how Matthew
00:07:27.520 he tried to kill himself because of what he went through and it wasn't just one time it was
00:07:36.760 at least like three times i know of and that was kind of because of what we put him through
00:07:45.240 and i didn't want the other kid ethan to go through that
00:07:50.020 so i kind of talked to my foster dad about it today and he told me a story
00:07:59.840 and the story was about bullying and this teacher that he knew he had some students
00:08:10.520 and he put them like in a line and he handed them a piece of paper
00:08:16.700 and he told the kids to crumble the paper up and spit on it and like throw it on the ground and
00:08:26.560 stomp on it but and then they told him to pick the paper up
00:08:34.000 and then tell the paper sorry
00:08:39.280 so you know obviously you can't fix the paper you can't put it back to the way it was
00:08:49.680 so kind of thought you know you can say sorry as many times as you want
00:08:56.140 but it's never going to change
00:08:58.780 the damage that was done
00:09:02.740 so that's kind of
00:09:06.680 why I told you about Ethan
00:09:08.700 and you know
00:09:10.920 we were talking
00:09:12.600 and you told me
00:09:15.560 that
00:09:16.600 talking to him
00:09:19.380 and being his friend
00:09:20.400 could kind of change his life
00:09:22.120 or save his life
00:09:24.540 I think you said
00:09:25.420 And I thought, that's not true, but the more I think about it, it really is, because I think if he could have one person to have his back and to try to help the bullying and stuff, then that could make a big difference and that can potentially kind of save his life.
00:09:55.420 So with the story of the paper, it sounded like you were kind of recognizing, well, I can't undo what I did last year, but I can do something different this time.
00:10:15.320 Yeah, that was what I was thinking about.
00:10:20.660 I mean, I didn't want to make the mistake and do the same thing.
00:10:23.520 i wanted to help him instead well i mean i saw him like at lunch and stuff and i saw people
00:10:36.380 making fun of him and they were telling him that he was a girl
00:10:39.500 and you could tell he was pretty upset and to be honest with you i was kind of afraid
00:10:50.100 to talk to him at first because I thought you know if I hung out with him then people would
00:11:00.620 think badly of me and I didn't want to kind of run the friendships that I had because
00:11:09.720 I have quite a few friends I guess and I didn't want to risk losing them
00:11:19.280 but I thought about it more and I talked to you about it and I decided I was just going to go for
00:11:28.620 it and there was this one time he was wearing a shirt it was like pink and it was tie-dye
00:11:39.620 and as far as I know you know he really liked the shirt he was proud of it
00:11:46.600 but the kids, they, they didn't like it. So, you know, they were calling him a fag and stuff 0.97
00:11:57.340 and they put ketchup on his shirt. So he left somewhere. I mean, I don't know where he went, 0.98
00:12:10.180 but when I got back to class, I didn't see him there because I had this class with him.
00:12:16.600 and i text you and i'm like well i told you what happened and i said i don't see ethan in my class
00:12:29.120 so i went to try to find him
00:12:35.500 and i went like around the hallways and stuff and then i went inside a bathroom
00:12:44.420 and he was in the bathroom and he wasn't wearing a shirt he was trying to wash it in the sink
00:12:51.480 and he couldn't put his shirt back on because it was all wet so
00:12:57.400 I um
00:13:01.320 he told me that he had a like a pullover in his backpack that he was going to put on
00:13:11.360 so I went back into the classroom and I told the teacher that I was getting something out
00:13:19.140 of my bag and I got his pullover and then I went back into the bathroom and I gave him the pullover
00:13:28.120 to wear and he was pretty thankful he kept thanking me um for getting the shirt and I think
00:13:36.940 it made him feel better it made him feel like at least someone cared
00:13:40.920 yeah I mean that sense of not one person is going to stand up for me not one person has my back
00:13:51.780 the assumption that you can like when you're feeling that way the assumption that you can
00:13:57.400 make about the world is that you don't matter to anyone else it doesn't matter whether you're there
00:14:03.120 or not. And so I can definitely tell you whether it was that specific incident or just the fact
00:14:13.580 in general that you started to talk with him and spend time with him that, yeah, like, I guess I
00:14:23.180 just want to be really clear for anybody listening that we're definitely talking about, I mean,
00:14:30.080 we're talking about anti-bullying and about how to not be a bystander and mental wellness of
00:14:35.780 young people, particularly young people who are targeted for their gender identity or gender
00:14:41.360 expression. I guess I don't know what to say from that. Pat yourself on the back.
00:14:48.680 Okay. Another thing that I love about that story is that you were kind of doing similar stuff to
00:14:57.400 what you did last year. And what I mean by that is you skipped class, you lied to your teacher,
00:15:09.160 you singled out another student, kind of and so on. And I guess you mean like you didn't go to
00:15:17.280 the teacher and say, you know, so-and-so is getting targeted. You took it into your own
00:15:22.900 hands. You kind of almost really went behind the back of your teacher to do what you needed to do
00:15:27.920 to help out this other student. And I think that's, I just love that it's tactics that you've
00:15:35.620 used in the past to do whatever you wanted to do, you know, but this time you did it to help
00:15:41.760 somebody else. Yeah. Well, I kind of got in a little bit of trouble for it, but it wasn't too
00:15:50.000 bad what you got in trouble for helping another student who had been assaulted
00:15:56.960 well I got in trouble for skipping class because I already went to the bathroom once and then I went
00:16:04.260 back so and I didn't really tell them what the story was I didn't really care at the time
00:16:12.720 they don't always pay attention and they see like all the bullying and stuff happening
00:16:21.720 and they'll just say something like stop but they don't do much about it
00:16:27.440 like we were in zoom last year and the bullying was real bad like in the middle of zoom
00:16:38.860 and all they would say was stop
00:16:41.780 and nothing really happened
00:16:47.240 and we would stop for a little bit
00:16:51.680 but then it would just continue the next day
00:16:54.800 right
00:16:56.940 because the word stop is not the word
00:17:00.820 heal or repair
00:17:04.160 and it's not the word change or transform
00:17:07.660 stop is really just
00:17:12.100 I guess an intervention on a specific moment
00:17:16.160 but it doesn't change what's going on
00:17:18.040 or do anything to heal from what happened
00:17:21.920 right
00:17:23.560 I mean it's like in the cafeteria with the catch up
00:17:28.480 like what are the odds that there was not one single adult present
00:17:31.900 like do you think it's actually possible that not one teacher noticed
00:17:36.060 what happened
00:17:37.200 to Ethan's shirt
00:17:38.580 yeah I mean
00:17:41.460 someone probably noticed
00:17:43.080 I didn't see anyone there
00:17:44.580 but
00:17:45.940 you know it was right out in the open
00:17:49.260 and like everyone could see
00:17:51.380 so I'm sure
00:17:53.320 someone probably noticed
00:17:55.460 and maybe they said
00:17:57.420 stop
00:17:58.020 but that's it
00:18:00.920 maybe I don't know what happened
00:18:03.700 then
00:18:05.100 right
00:18:07.160 fair enough but you know what happened next and not necessarily what happened next like
00:18:13.480 that day but what happened tell me a bit more about what happened over the next couple of weeks
00:18:19.320 with ethan and the kinds of stuff that you tried to do to help well i started talking to ethan
00:18:26.160 online you know after that we wanted to play some games together
00:18:33.620 so I got his gamer tag and we hung out pretty much online and I wanted to hang out with him
00:18:43.420 more in person but I was kind of afraid I would lose my friends like I said before
00:18:50.540 but you know it got to the point where he was actually talking about 0.89
00:19:00.500 how much it was affecting him so I decided just kind of fuck it I'll just hang out with him at 0.73
00:19:12.040 school too and some of my friends were saying that we were boyfriends 0.98
00:19:21.740 so I lost some of my friends you know when I was talking to him when I was hanging out with him
00:19:31.940 but those friends I guess they really weren't my friends at all you know if they're just
00:19:40.180 going to hang out with me when they agree with me but when I'm talking to someone that they don't like
00:19:48.780 they say stuff like that to me so they might have said they were my friends but they weren't
00:19:59.000 actually my friends to start with so I didn't really care that much after that
00:20:03.080 what about getting called gay and all that stuff did that bother you
00:20:07.900 well I'm not gay so they can say it as much as they want but it doesn't make it true
00:20:18.780 And there's really nothing wrong with being gay.
00:20:21.240 I mean, even if I was, because Ethan, I guess, I guess he's gay or something, but I don't care.
00:20:35.240 I just want to hang out with them.
00:20:38.480 That's another part of your transformation, because you probably wouldn't have said that a year ago.
00:20:44.600 No, I wouldn't have said anything.
00:20:46.220 I would have
00:20:47.660 I didn't really understand it I guess
00:20:50.300 so I would have
00:20:53.020 been the one
00:20:53.960 making fun of people for being 0.92
00:20:56.960 gay 0.96
00:20:57.280 well there's
00:21:09.780 there's one thing that you told me
00:21:12.600 that I remember
00:21:13.600 that
00:21:16.220 you kind of talked about my race and that I've gotten made fun of it for it
00:21:24.320 and you know you're like
00:21:29.260 well I could just stop being that race and like well yeah that's impossible 1.00
00:21:41.620 and it's the same thing for them you know they can't change something 1.00
00:21:47.600 and if they could have changed it they would have changed it before
00:21:51.160 so it's it's not really a choice it's just how they are
00:21:59.200 okay so here's one thing i was thinking about which is you
00:22:06.160 how do i say this because of your either your self-confidence or your projection of self-confidence
00:22:17.800 your friendliness your curiosity your quickness to make other people laugh like i i get i guess
00:22:26.780 i'm just saying you're socially capable and most kids who are socially capable are also
00:22:32.180 pretty socially powerful and so what that means for example is that you can start at a new school
00:22:38.140 in September and by October you could be telling me I have a I have a lot of friends
00:22:46.520 does that make sense yeah I guess so so I mean you're set back a little bit because
00:22:55.300 you've moved schools so often but I do think of you as a socially powerful kid
00:23:00.140 yeah i guess i haven't thought about it but i mean i just try to talk to everyone
00:23:08.780 and if they like me they like me and if they don't they don't so
00:23:17.280 i mean i guess i just try to be myself
00:23:21.900 and if they want to be my friend they'll be my friend
00:23:27.780 And have you always been committed to being yourself or is that something that's grown, especially over the last year?
00:23:40.440 It's something that's grown over the last year.
00:23:43.420 I mean, when I was with that group of friends, it was kind of, you know, I was just acting like I was big and tough, I guess.
00:24:01.460 And I didn't care about how other people felt.
00:24:04.560 but you know I've I've kind of learned that if I have to be like that to be someone's friend
00:24:19.560 then they're not really a good friend
00:24:21.760 and I just want to I want to make friends that accept me kind of for who I am
00:24:30.320 so I don't have to pretend to be someone else
00:24:35.100 huh you know what uh you know what just occurred to me is that maybe
00:24:42.260 your process of gaining the social skills necessary to switch friends the confidence
00:24:49.460 to stand up to others and I guess a better awareness of what authentic friendship looks
00:24:56.260 like and feels like, and the determination to stand up for other people that you see
00:25:00.960 need help.
00:25:01.680 I wonder if those practices that you started to do are actually how you built or, I guess,
00:25:12.980 became better able to access the social power that you have now.
00:25:20.040 Yeah, I guess so.
00:25:21.440 i mean i never really thought about it i just did what i thought was right
00:25:31.240 and i mean i didn't i've never thought about until today that i do have any social power
00:25:41.060 at all it's worth thinking about because one of the reasons to do nothing was that feeling of well
00:25:51.080 you know i don't have any influence on my peers like i couldn't make a difference
00:25:55.640 i don't get because i don't have any social power so even if i did say something it wouldn't make a
00:26:00.140 difference so it kind of makes me think like do you have social power and then you make a difference
00:26:08.020 or do you have social power because you make a difference i guess it's probably because you can
00:26:16.200 make a difference? I don't really know. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. I mean, I don't really
00:26:26.620 know either. It's just something that occurred to me. What about, okay, to put it really simply,
00:26:35.300 what about masculinity? And kind of what I mean by that is you're growing into who you're going
00:26:45.740 to be as a young man. I think you've experienced and witnessed certain versions of masculinity that
00:26:53.740 are dominated by kind of like you said, toughness that like, you know, don't be a pussy throwing 0.99
00:26:59.940 hands, all that kind of stuff. And I guess I wonder what comes to mind for you when you think 1.00
00:27:06.560 of manhood in a particular, your own manhood? Well, I mean, I guess what comes to mind
00:27:14.340 is you don't have to act all tough
00:27:17.580 and you don't have to hurt other people
00:27:21.300 to be a man.
00:27:25.180 I mean, you can...
00:27:28.020 What really has been surprising, I guess,
00:27:32.400 is I never used to really talk about feelings
00:27:35.300 or anything like that.
00:27:38.460 And I wouldn't try not to show any kind of weakness
00:27:42.640 but
00:27:44.720 I guess you can still be
00:27:49.600 a guy or a man or whatever
00:27:52.620 without having to act
00:27:55.760 put on an act
00:27:57.600 and act tough
00:27:58.580 and just
00:28:02.420 I don't know
00:28:07.480 mm-hmm well because that's what you were doing in a lot of ways while you were sticking with
00:28:15.080 that friend group that was crossing the line you were sort of trying to meet them at that level of
00:28:20.120 toughness yeah and you don't you really don't have to like put other people down
00:28:28.180 as far as my friends go I guess that kind of makes them
00:28:32.580 feel more masculine, but I mean, there's all kinds of different
00:28:41.620 guys and you don't have to be like that. You don't have to be like the stereotype.
00:28:49.240 The other thing that kind of occurs to me on that point about toughness is
00:28:54.160 like I kind of feel like you have to be pretty tough to to do what you did right to skip class
00:29:03.180 to to to look out for a kid that was hurt to go get him that sweater and also to say I'll stick
00:29:09.740 with you and I'll hang out with you and I'll talk with you no matter what even though I'm 0.86
00:29:15.000 gonna get called a fag even though I'm gonna become targeted as well like that requires a 0.58
00:29:18.900 level of toughness as well I didn't really think about it like that 0.98
00:29:24.160 I mean, I didn't think I was being tough.
00:29:26.940 I just thought I wanted to help him because if it was me, I would want to be helped too.
00:29:36.580 So I guess maybe it might be tough, but that's not really how I felt.
00:29:44.480 And I wasn't trying to be tough.
00:29:46.220 I was just trying to do the right thing.
00:29:51.120 Yeah.
00:29:52.060 I mean, it's kind of like the same thing of what we just talked about with social power.
00:29:55.540 That's like, well, I guess, you know, I'm just sort of talking here.
00:30:03.680 I'm not trying to make a point or anything like that.
00:30:05.240 But it makes me feel that by doing the right thing, you do access toughness.
00:30:10.920 or sometimes you need to be tough to do the right thing instead of just trying to be tough
00:30:20.600 and in doing so actually do the wrong thing uh i did not put that in a very articulate way
00:30:27.560 yeah it made sense i know what you're saying
00:30:32.760 yeah well yeah it's thought-provoking to me
00:30:40.020 And I love that, you know, I've been having these conversations for years, right?
00:30:48.620 This is my full-time job and here I am having my mind blown by an 11-year-old.
00:30:54.900 Let's go.
00:30:58.240 Why is your mind blown?
00:31:00.000 Well, it's like a new way of answering the question of like how to how do you reconcile the either the cultural or internalized drive to be tough as a man with.
00:31:21.120 But so how do you reconcile that with sort of more empathetic feelings of I want to help out another person and be emotionally responsive to that other person?
00:31:36.520 I think those two things are often positioned as polar opposites.
00:31:41.620 Like you're either tough and strong or you're empathetic and nurturing.
00:31:51.120 and I think that your story is a new example
00:31:55.860 of how those two things can actually be brought together
00:31:58.960 in a really meaningful way.
00:32:03.920 Yeah, I mean, that's why my mind is blown.
00:32:07.480 Yeah, okay.
00:32:09.500 I just, I don't know, I don't know why you can't be both.
00:32:16.480 I mean, why does it have to be one or the other?
00:32:21.120 you can kind of just be whatever you want to be
00:32:24.900 and it doesn't make you not a man
00:32:27.600 or not a boy
00:32:29.820 like Ethan
00:32:38.800 I mean
00:32:42.880 just because he
00:32:45.020 wants to wear something different
00:32:47.980 doesn't make him any less tough either.
00:32:55.280 I mean, everybody is different.
00:32:57.940 So that's a good thing
00:33:00.800 because you don't want to be like everyone else.
00:33:05.020 You just want to be yourself.
00:33:09.300 Okay, so what's your final takeaway?
00:33:11.920 We've talked about a lot of impactful stuff
00:33:13.720 over this series.
00:33:14.540 so there's no one you know point to the story but i'm wondering what's resonating with you
00:33:22.500 most right now what are you going to carry with what are you going to be sure that you
00:33:25.180 carry with you or you want to make sure that you that other people get that well i mean
00:33:32.320 i guess this whole conversation kind of made me think about
00:33:41.520 you know some kids are bullied just because they're different but
00:33:51.100 and I guess I didn't really think about any of this stuff like the whole
00:34:00.600 being masculine and having social power and stuff so it was really interesting I thought
00:34:11.520 and I guess I'll carry that with me my name is Jonathan my name is Louis and you're listening
00:34:20.820 to Breaking the Boy Code where this young man has been and where he is now this is the roadmap for
00:34:28.860 the kind of future that we want to build for the next generation to end cycles of violence to change
00:34:34.340 what bullying looks like to change the landscape of mental health for young people all of that
00:34:40.220 is carried in the lives of young people today.
00:34:44.100 So I just want to say that
00:34:45.960 Lewis's story
00:34:47.340 is a roadmap for tomorrow.
00:34:51.100 I hope you've learned something
00:34:52.660 from hearing his story.
00:34:53.920 I hope that you
00:34:54.740 take the time to share this story
00:34:57.560 with somebody else,
00:34:58.480 whether you
00:34:59.120 recount it to a family member,
00:35:01.380 maybe you play this podcast
00:35:02.560 with your students.
00:35:06.520 Whatever you can do
00:35:07.660 to carry Lewis's story forward,
00:35:10.220 this is how we're going to achieve the kind of change that we need to see in the world.
00:35:18.820 Another big part of this work is organizations like Next Gen Men.
00:35:22.980 I talk about it regularly, but Next Gen Men is my day job,
00:35:26.400 and Next Gen Men Podcast Network is behind this series that we've just done together.
00:35:32.900 The work that we do in changing our culture and transforming the lives of boys and young men,
00:35:38.060 the foundation for that work is the membership community that upholds next-gen men if you'd
00:35:45.920 like to become part of that foundation please visit nextgenmen.ca join you can find me at
00:35:51.240 breakingtheboycode at gmail.com or at boy podcast on social media okay lewis one more time i love you
00:36:08.060 you know i'm thinking maybe we should do some more episodes in the future
00:36:17.300 i think i do want to wrap up this story just the way that we have but i think that
00:36:21.860 you ought to be like a recurring co-host as the uh yeah as time goes on because this has been
00:36:29.420 really cool that's really cool i'm gonna miss it because i don't know i've liked talking to you
00:36:37.480 and kind of spending time with you and I like how you make me think
00:36:46.500 you know about stuff that I've never thought about before so it's cool