Breaking the Boy Code - The Best and Worst Thing About Being a Boy

00:00:00.000 They're running it just to annoy us.

00:00:01.280 They're doing it out of spite.

00:00:03.220 Okay.

00:00:04.020 Are we close enough?

00:00:06.800 Let's just push this even closer.

00:00:08.780 Let's shove it in.

00:00:10.020 How?

00:00:12.160 Ce n'est pas possible.

00:00:13.380 Okay, you're good.

00:00:14.580 Just the closer we can get.

00:00:17.220 Somebody say, my name's blank, my name's blank,

00:00:19.780 and then say, you're listening.

00:00:20.540 First name, last name?

00:00:21.400 No, just your first name.

00:00:22.800 And then say, you're listening to Breaking the Boy Code.

00:00:24.700 And then they'll have the...

00:00:25.800 You're doing...

00:00:26.880 We're breaking the boy code.

00:00:27.940 You're doing that part.

00:00:30.000 hi i'm lucas hi i'm kashia and you're listening to breaking the boy code

00:00:50.360 hi i'm jonathan welcome to the podcast we are contending with a wood chipper outside the

00:00:57.860 recording space that we're using which will hopefully not permanently be the case but this

00:01:01.920 is a real test for the quality of our microphones and our editing software to figure out if we can

00:01:06.880 overcome the background noise this introduction podcast episode is to introduce the podcast season

00:01:13.200 you don't want to say something you have to be like we're the hosts true okay so i'm jonathan

00:01:23.680 I've been doing this podcast for a long time

00:01:25.580 I'm not nearly as interesting as the other two people

00:01:28.100 sitting in this room with me

00:01:29.000 so we are being joined permanently

00:01:30.600 at least for now by

00:01:32.220 I'm Lucas

00:01:34.300 and I'm Kashyap

00:01:35.580 and we're going to have them introduce themselves over the next

00:01:38.040 10 or 15 minutes

00:01:39.340 so who is going to go first?

00:01:40.980 do you want me to go first or one of you?

00:01:42.120 I'll go first

00:01:42.480 I mean you're like pretty old though

00:01:44.220 you knew the dinosaurs

00:01:45.920 Kashyap volunteered, thank you very much

00:01:48.560 so Kashyap, tell us a little bit about yourself

00:01:52.420 take it away

00:01:53.060 well i go to private school my favorite subject is math some of my favorite sports are squash and

00:01:59.280 basketball and i have one sister she's amazing i love that's where you went with that you i heard

00:02:07.980 that like the inhalation note she's amazing what grade are you in i'm in grade eight okay it kind

00:02:13.800 of sucks middle school sucks i agree with that i need to go to high school it's amazing i am going

00:02:19.460 to the id program for high school i am very special thank you very much 0.98

00:02:22.680 wait no now you're still on the hot spot lucas and i are each going to take three cards

00:02:28.440 but so what we're going to do to introduce further because i kind of had a feel like

00:02:31.960 at some point you talk for 45 seconds and you're like what else do i say about myself

00:02:35.360 so i brought next gen man's cards for masculinity which is a discussion prompt card deck is that

00:02:41.100 what you would say yes like it's like a question prompt so me and lucas just chose three we're

00:02:46.060 each going to choose our favorite out of the three obviously you can pass cash up if you don't like

00:02:50.300 the question we'll just choose another one okay i've got one i got one do you want to go first

00:02:54.940 or me sure who is a friend you are grateful for right now and when was the last time you let them

00:02:59.760 know my friend that i'm grateful for right now is lucas the one here with me and he has been my

00:03:06.580 friend since the moment i was born his brother has the same birthday as me and the last time i

00:03:12.160 that i'm grateful for him was probably like 10 years ago but he knows that we're very good friends

00:03:18.200 what are you grateful about in this moment well i'm grateful about i'm grateful that he still

00:03:24.500 loves me and he still talks to me every day i definitely do that and he hasn't moved away yet

00:03:31.640 like head hen you're the one that we have to try to keep in our neighborhood yeah because i want to

00:03:37.820 go to london and germany yeah yeah i mean we can always drag henry back here yeah that's true he's

00:03:43.800 the one who left yeah i guess i mean we still talk to him though i literally played minecraft

00:03:47.760 with him like yesterday i played minecraft with you yesterday oh no that was two days ago you

00:03:52.760 played minecraft with me the minecraft session is blurry together i also play fortnite with him

00:03:57.180 i play a lot of things i don't play fortnite i don't even have an xbox the nether of xbox

00:04:02.660 serious sex well so your answer was lucas and you haven't told him that you're grateful for him i'm

00:04:06.920 very grateful that you are here thank you i'm very grateful for you as well okay my question is what

00:04:13.640 are some things that can make you stressed what are some positive ways to deal with those feelings

00:04:18.660 some things that can make me stressed are group projects like i have one right now we're doing a

00:04:24.620 science fair currently at the moment and what always happens is that i'm always either smarter

00:04:30.740 than everyone in my group or i work harder so that's what the problem is nobody in my group

00:04:36.860 likes to work so currently none of the people in my group are doing work and that makes me stress

00:04:42.700 but the way i solve it i don't much you just handle that you just i have to kind of handle

00:04:49.760 the stress and just focus on doing all the work because like a few months ago we had this math

00:04:55.360 project for our teacher and there were like six people in the group which is a lot and it was

00:05:00.240 about like data analysis like probabilities things like that but the problem was that people

00:05:06.880 in my group weren't doing any work so in the end I was the one doing all the work I made all the

00:05:13.400 graphs I made all of that they just read the slides so that was a problem I stayed up to like

00:05:20.300 12 those nights geez at least but so the point of like you don't have any positive way to deal

00:05:27.060 with it because at some point it's over because the project is over yeah i was happy that it's

00:05:31.820 over at some point my solution to that would be tell the teacher that they didn't i do just they

00:05:37.860 just don't help in general or just like at the end of your slideshow put like made by kesha presented

00:05:46.720 by them i should do that next next big project if they don't do anything yeah the science fair

00:05:52.480 project was 20 of our grade literally just say credit what is designer ketchup is your science

00:05:58.220 project about our science project we are making a hydraulic powered claw machine i think you told

00:06:03.480 me that it's really fun we i have it upstairs right now we're not i'm not done building it

00:06:07.680 right now does it work basically we have these little things that go up and they're put on these

00:06:13.580 sliders and those are what are used to move the claw back and forth up top so after all that we're

00:06:21.700 gonna flip it over and put water we have syringes there and the syringes will help move the things

00:06:28.360 so that's how it's hydraulic powered i'm impressed i've never considered building one lucas's turn

00:06:35.800 here wait let me move this a little closer you guys as well the machine outside is now in a

00:06:41.760 different frequency so hopefully the editing software can handle that we're gonna have lucas

00:06:47.460 Introduce himself.

00:06:48.260 Take it away, Lucas.

00:06:51.740 Pretend you're in the interview.

00:06:52.840 Hey, Luke.

00:06:53.500 Welcome to the interview, Lucas.

00:06:55.080 Please, tell us a bit about yourself.

00:06:56.820 I'm just giving traumatic flashbacks.

00:06:59.800 Okay, so I guess, yeah, I mean, school is going all right, like Kesheb said.

00:07:06.960 Sure.

00:07:08.200 I'm not in private school like he is, but I am in high school.

00:07:12.300 What grade are you in, Lucas?

00:07:13.160 I'm in grade nine, and I'll be quiet, child.

00:07:15.360 so yeah high school's going all right my favorite subject is probably gym because gym of course i

00:07:22.720 had math last semester which was also pretty fun my main hobbies i'd say i enjoy lego um me too

00:07:31.260 roller coasters and video games i have an xbox at my home i'd say that's about it that's the

00:07:38.680 snapshot yeah i love it that's the status i love that cash app was like me too and then you said

00:07:43.180 roller coasters and cash up was just silence i didn't want to do it again i thought you hated

00:07:48.880 roller coasters i love roller coasters i just throw up if i'm on them oh he's like i feel like

00:07:54.360 you have a friend that just absolutely hates roller coasters yeah that's me no one hates

00:07:57.800 roller coasters he thinks i think they are pretty the biggest ride i've gone on cad

00:08:01.760 at canada's wonderland is ghost or coaster choose a question thank great introduction lucas will

00:08:08.160 hit you with a first question no please don't hit me what are three most important characteristics

00:08:12.620 of the kind of man you want to be take your time it's a big question this is so fun the three

00:08:21.320 most important characteristics of the kind of man i want i'm gonna pass on that question you

00:08:27.380 pick another one describe what comes to mind when you think of objectification what might be the

00:08:33.960 problems okay so when i think of objectification i think of jonathan saying to all of us youth

00:08:40.060 stop objectifying me when he takes off his shirt

00:08:42.620 he kept me in a crop top

00:08:46.620 it's upsetting but

00:08:48.200 catch up choose another three

00:08:49.980 and choose a new one

00:08:51.540 what does caring for your physical health

00:08:54.460 look like why does it matter

00:08:55.720 okay to me I mean it looks like

00:08:58.400 getting enough exercise

00:08:59.460 and like not eating like junk food too much

00:09:02.680 even though if I could

00:09:04.360 I definitely would my parents make sure

00:09:06.360 I don't though yeah I'd say

00:09:08.400 getting enough exercise like eating healthy as well yeah i think it's important because

00:09:15.080 reasons i don't think lucas is very good no that was a good answer it's important because it's

00:09:23.920 important there's like it's important for health but kids never really follow it yeah it's important

00:09:30.340 because if you're not healthy then you're not healthy how would you feel if you didn't exercise

00:09:35.500 probably be lazy i don't i mean like it's good to have more energy if you don't exercise then

00:09:42.180 you're not gonna have energy okay how would you feel if you only ate junk food

00:09:45.340 probably really sick honestly okay so you'd feel lazy and sick those are pretty good reasons you

00:09:50.920 don't feel that way my question is name something you love or appreciate about yourself and what do

00:09:57.460 you think other people appreciate about you okay something i like about myself is i think i'm very

00:10:04.420 good at getting what i want i'm very persistent for instance i really wanted to get a really

00:10:10.280 large lego set the titanic which is really expensive and also really large my parents

00:10:14.940 did not want me to get it i got it anyways he sold cookies yeah he raised money yeah give give

00:10:22.460 people listening a sense of like where the titanic ranks in the world's largest lego sets like by

00:10:28.160 piece count it is the second largest what about by height well it's the longest in the world but

00:10:33.900 the eiffel tower is the tallest and you persevered to get it yeah he sold cookies every day sadly i

00:10:39.320 wasn't there to get any i would have helped him do it i i sold cookies and i had to bake them in

00:10:44.840 my air fryer because our oven was broken that is persistence i know okay good answer and what do

00:10:51.000 you think other people appreciate about you they don't have to talk to me because i enjoy playing

00:10:56.840 video games by myself i've been told i can get very talkative so i can just disappear no that

00:11:02.820 What do you think Kashyap appreciates about you?

00:11:05.600 The fact that he can, like...

00:11:07.880 Just be taller than him.

00:11:10.140 Not for long.

00:11:11.780 Yeah, he's on you.

00:11:13.760 I'm on my cousin as well, jeez.

00:11:15.980 Like, the whole last year, she was, like, over a head taller than me,

00:11:20.760 and now I'm almost as tall as her.

00:11:22.120 She doesn't like that anymore.

00:11:23.240 Yeah.

00:11:23.680 I did.

00:11:24.020 What else do you think Kashyap appreciates you

00:11:25.760 other than you not quite being taller than him?

00:11:29.440 He appreciates my mentorship,

00:11:30.960 the fact that I'm so much older than him

00:11:32.820 I can give my life experiences

00:11:34.580 to this youngster here

00:11:36.980 I'm an authoritative figure

00:11:39.780 I'm like genuinely curious about this now

00:11:41.560 because Cash App's friend that he was grateful for

00:11:43.560 was you

00:11:44.080 but now we're like puzzling through

00:11:46.040 what exactly are you grateful for Cash App

00:11:48.660 what am I grateful for

00:11:51.020 I actually do have an idea

00:11:52.380 I also don't say

00:11:55.100 no too much to plans

00:11:56.940 unless I really don't want to do them

00:11:58.640 like for instance

00:11:59.920 somebody at church texted me and said hey do you want to read scripture and I was in the middle

00:12:06.320 of something and I was just like sure I'll read scripture when I kind of didn't want to but then

00:12:11.060 again I was like sure I'll read scripture because I wanted to but I didn't want to at the same time

00:12:17.880 so I'm pretty easygoing if you ask me to do something I'll probably do it even if I kind

00:12:22.920 of don't want to do it I'll probably still do it look up for it yeah that's a really good answer

00:12:27.960 Could you come help me with something at my house? Could you take care of my dog?

00:12:30.720 Do you want to go for a bike ride? Like anytime that I've asked you to do something you're like hell, yeah

00:12:35.000 So I think that's actually

00:12:37.000 I want to ask them to play

00:12:38.600 Minecraft he just hopped right on I was literally like in the middle of watching a video and like

00:12:43.540 Doing something and then just was like do I play Minecraft?

00:12:45.960 I was like sure and I just stopped us doing a play Minecraft and then he absolutely destroyed because I was playing on controller

00:12:50.960 He has a keyboard

00:12:52.960 It was very mean 0.93

00:12:54.960 i did kill him once i killed him with fall damage once you killed him due to fall damage i pushed 0.81

00:13:00.520 him off a cliff no i like shot him off a cliff the bow it's very hard with a controller because

00:13:05.140 bow in minecraft very hard i believe that no because all i did was like well it's bedrock

00:13:11.020 so i can just spam click but i mostly play on servers so i know like just pvp just yeah

00:13:17.500 you were on controller though no i was got it and it's much harder on controller cool

00:13:23.100 cash up do you agree with lucas's answer that you might appreciate that he's just down for it

00:13:27.400 yeah cool my turn to introduce myself let's talk about jonathan

00:13:32.220 finally the old guy the one that's like made of dinosaurs made of dinosaurs okay jonathan

00:13:40.100 introducing myself i am six feet tall oh that's very nice i'm a feminist i really like sports

00:13:49.020 It's like skateboarding, rock climbing, mountain biking.

00:13:51.620 I do like video games.

00:13:52.560 My favorite video games are Fortnite and Minecraft.

00:13:55.200 And I'm terrible at Geometry Dash.

00:13:57.960 Can't handle it.

00:13:59.680 Director of programs with Next Gen Man and creator of Breaking the Boy Code podcast.

00:14:02.900 And I'm really excited to have youth co-hosts co-hosting with me.

00:14:06.960 I think that's my snapshot.

00:14:08.780 I'm not in school right now.

00:14:10.180 When I was, my favorite subject ended up being history.

00:14:15.600 Jimmy's just a detour.

00:14:16.620 Have you ever heard about Leave the Past in the Past?

00:14:19.020 Have you ever heard if you don't learn the past, you're doomed to repeat it?

00:14:23.240 No, because if you don't know it, you won't try to do it again.

00:14:26.920 No, it's the opposite.

00:14:27.660 If you don't know it, then you'll do it by accident.

00:14:28.860 No, if people know, oh, the way to start wars is by attacking another place.

00:14:33.520 If you don't know that, you'll never do it.

00:14:36.280 Okay, we're going to have a history debate another time.

00:14:38.320 What were you going to say, Lucas?

00:14:39.060 I was going to say, if your favorite subject was history, that makes no sense.

00:14:42.660 Because, like, you were history.

00:14:43.820 Like, you're so old.

00:14:45.300 Like, you were making history.

00:14:48.080 The 90s, guys.

00:14:50.360 Yep.

00:14:50.900 Okay, I got a question now.

00:14:51.960 What's your question?

00:14:53.220 Should I do this one?

00:14:54.600 Yeah.

00:14:56.160 Compose yourself.

00:14:57.140 Compose yourself.

00:14:57.740 Okay.

00:14:58.560 Have you ever been called a girl or gay as an insult?

00:15:01.820 What happened?

00:15:02.920 What might be the impact of those kinds of insults for girls or LGBTQ plus youth?

00:15:08.980 Wow.

00:15:09.540 Okay.

00:15:10.700 As you may already know, I don't know if you know this about me or not.

00:15:14.020 Did you know that I had long hair when I was young?

00:15:15.680 I knew that.

00:15:16.440 Lucas definitely knows.

00:15:17.000 I had long hair when I was young.

00:15:17.760 we both had y'all i know all three of us have yeah henry used to have long hair and one of my

00:15:21.120 friends yeah henry and spirit i had long hair around the same time as you i guess i'm when i

00:15:26.240 was a little bit older than you i had long hair and so i got called like what i sometimes tell

00:15:31.460 people is i got called the f word before i even knew what that meant you know i got called girl

00:15:35.140 i got told cut your hair well like what are you a girl are you gay and i heard that every single

00:15:38.740 day from like grade six to grade nine kind of thing and sometimes it was verbal sometimes it

00:15:43.160 was physical i got told i was like walking like a girl talking like a girl writing like a girl

00:15:48.060 dressing like once i got told i was standing like a girl when i was playing soccer like it was just

00:15:52.120 this like non-stop thing and i ended up being like bullies don't control what i do like and so i ended

00:15:59.820 up joining joining the cheerleading team as like a defiance thing because i was like you don't

00:16:04.080 control me and you know and then i like in grade eight i was a hula girl which is kind of like

00:16:09.320 cultural appropriation at this point but back in ancient history times that like wasn't really on

00:16:13.620 my mind i think grade nine i was a princess for halloween and that was all just like signaling

00:16:16.760 to bullies like you don't control me but it was still a like a really difficult kind of thing to

00:16:21.760 experience and to handle every single day in terms of its impact again like i got through it because

00:16:28.020 i had some friends and like family who like had my back but i definitely know people who like get

00:16:35.920 really sunk by that kind of thing ended up changing who they are or sometimes they don't

00:16:39.160 even make it through and so like when i was an older high school student i heard the name ronan

00:16:43.940 shimizu was a 12 year old who had who had died by suicide who had been bullied for people called

00:16:49.440 him gay and he was on the cheerleading team and stuff like that so it obviously has a really big

00:16:53.240 impact on all kinds of people okay last question from lucas okay what do you think is the best and

00:16:59.000 worst thing about being a boy the best thing i think is just like sports like you're so encouraged

00:17:05.200 to play sports all your friends play sport like i had so much fun playing soccer playing basketball

00:17:08.900 i still have fun playing ultimate frisbee that like mountain biking rock climbing all that kind

00:17:13.240 of thing it's just like a default fun thing to do like play fighting just being really physical

00:17:18.680 about the whole thing sports is the best thing the worst thing is probably that you have an idea

00:17:24.160 being misjudged that you're always trying to control girls all the time being misjudged that

00:17:29.500 we like every time you just say hi to a girl they're like oh my gosh are you hitting on me

00:17:36.160 like you you can't talk to a girl without like some other girl or guy going oh my gosh

00:17:43.220 she totally have a crush on them kind of yeah or you mean like the like feminist like intensity

00:17:47.620 both yeah my answer those are both really interesting answers but the point of this

00:17:55.600 introduction episode is not to necessarily get into the deepest of all topics my answer is

00:17:59.360 i think i've had experiences where like i was like not feeling well like for example when i

00:18:06.840 bicycled did you know that i bicycled 15 000 kilometers across the country and i was by the

00:18:12.680 end i was like burnt out exhausted i felt like a failure i was like really stuck in these like

00:18:17.240 negative mindsets and i just like didn't know how to handle that i didn't know how to communicate

00:18:21.720 about that so i think just like i've had experiences where like talking about my mental

00:18:25.040 health and well-being wasn't something i was like naturally good at it was something that like

00:18:28.980 i felt like i didn't know what to do or say they're trying they're making faces in this

00:18:34.980 in the they're trying to make me laugh as i answer like from my heart thank you for those faces

00:18:40.320 but luckily i didn't fall for it that brings us to the end of our recording time any final

00:18:45.560 thoughts from the two of you no final thoughts thank you for listening what am i getting paid

00:18:49.720 can you keep that in don't got that we'll see thank you for listening to the introduction

00:18:57.600 we'll see you next time

00:18:59.200 let's do last thing

00:19:00.120 something you're looking forward to

00:19:00.960 that's not getting paid

00:19:01.680 something you're looking forward to

00:19:02.400 on the podcast

00:19:02.780 that's not getting paid

00:19:03.480 ooh

00:19:04.080 hanging out with Lucas more

00:19:06.100 yeah getting to see Delta 0.85

00:19:07.720 I don't care about you

00:19:08.420 Jonathan

00:19:08.640 I care about you

00:19:09.620 Delta is my dog 1.00

00:19:11.200 and I promised I would bring my dog

00:19:12.440 to the recording

00:19:12.940 so yeah

00:19:13.360 cute fluffy husky

00:19:15.760 okay

00:19:16.280 and then somebody

00:19:17.120 Cash App

00:19:17.660 give us the last part

00:19:18.720 and then the music will come in

00:19:19.720 thank you

00:19:21.800 for listening

00:19:22.560 to

00:19:23.160 Breaking the Boy Code

00:19:24.440 we were your hosts

00:19:26.240 Lucas and Cash App

00:19:28.100 Hope you have a good day.

00:19:29.380 See you next time.

00:19:30.540 Bye.

00:19:31.800 Okay, right on.

Breaking the Boy Code - February 26, 2026

The Best and Worst Thing About Being a Boy

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