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00:00:00.320 Are you sure? Yes. I'm Jonathan. I'm Lucas. And I'm Tushyup. And you're listening to Breaking the Boy Code.

00:00:08.120 Woohoo! The boys crack!

00:00:11.240 Woohoo!

00:00:12.560 uh what are we doing okay we're doing we're gonna do man box part two because um you had to leave

00:00:34.260 early lucas and i followed up by talking about really interesting things but unrelated to the

00:00:38.780 man box things first we got to recap what we talked about last week what how would you define

00:00:43.540 the man box if i was to be like i forget yeah um it's basically stereotypically masculine things

00:00:51.020 go in box non-stereotypical or stereotypically non-masculine things outside man box and we did

00:00:58.360 it like a competition you mostly lost the competition kashia unfortunately so recap

00:01:05.840 physical appearance what was one example that we said for the physical appearance man box stereotype

00:01:10.060 very strong okay what about um feelings and emotions brave okay wow you both just said the

00:01:17.500 same thing um what about then we talked about we talked about dating did we talk about dating

00:01:22.240 relationships what are the stereotypical expectations for dating and relationships

00:01:25.040 be a gentleman pay the bill and then what about competition competition you have to you want to be

00:01:31.460 oh i'm gonna beat you aggressive yeah i don't lose i'm a man okay um i also just realized we

00:01:42.600 just totally jumped into things without doing our structure which is first to do a check-in

00:01:47.020 so who is gonna check in first me i'm pretty good um i spent like 12 hours yesterday painting and

00:01:57.320 then i had a screw up and i like ripped off part of the wall and then knocked a potted plant onto

00:02:00.580 the floor absolute failure skill issue it was like I just felt so defeated I like sat on the

00:02:05.980 couch and was like no so like over the last two weeks I've been pretty normal but like today I

00:02:12.100 was very productive and then just like totally overwhelmed so I'm actually really happy to be

00:02:16.280 here because it's like a total change of pace okay Lucas your turn um I guess I just run to

00:02:23.300 my friend's house for sleepover that's pretty chill Henry shout out Henry yeah I think that's

00:02:29.500 the end of my check-in.

00:02:30.480 I went to my friend's house.

00:02:31.620 It was fun.

00:02:33.080 Me?

00:02:33.640 I don't remember much of it.

00:02:34.700 I went to me.

00:02:35.240 Be quiet.

00:02:36.920 This is cash.

00:02:39.340 I went to Ottawa this weekend.

00:02:42.060 Well, I got like two days off of school,

00:02:44.180 which is nice,

00:02:44.680 so I technically have a five-day weekend.

00:02:47.640 Maybe six days.

00:02:48.640 And then also...

00:02:50.560 What else?

00:02:51.760 Not much.

00:02:52.380 Just homework.

00:02:54.000 Projects.

00:02:54.960 Boring stuff.

00:02:57.140 What was the occasion to go to Ottawa? 1.00

00:02:58.600 it was my grandpa's 90th birthday wow cool he's an ankh so you saw a bunch of like family yes okay 0.92

00:03:06.900 then warm up is convince me of the best season starting with kashi up what do you think the 0.98

00:03:12.980 best season is i think the best season is either fall and i'm going to do this no just fall just

00:03:20.260 fall and i'm going to do this in the british accent because it'll sound better and more

00:03:23.900 convincing so basically fall in one in toronto have you seen all the trees during the fall

00:03:30.640 so pretty and guess what the weather perfect all you need is a sweater and some shorts that's it

00:03:40.260 no underwear

00:03:41.560 and guess what it's the perfect time to go on guess what bike rides and guess what dog walks

00:03:52.520 And guess what? I don't know, guess what?

00:03:56.100 So, yeah.

00:03:57.140 That's pretty convincing.

00:03:59.180 I do like bike rides and dog walks, so...

00:04:02.580 Lucas is there.

00:04:03.500 Okay, um...

00:04:04.720 He's about to get absolutely cooked.

00:04:06.060 I've always been torn between summer and winter.

00:04:08.920 I think summer or winter because, you know, summer, it's so nice outside.

00:04:13.680 And, you know, you can go biking, you can do all that stuff.

00:04:17.040 You just wear short sleeves.

00:04:18.880 It's nice and warm.

00:04:20.320 Sometimes it gets really hot.

00:04:22.520 which sucks.

00:04:24.980 But then again, there's bugs and all that stuff. 0.80

00:04:28.120 Yeah, you got your mosquitoes and all the bugs

00:04:30.660 and the stuff that crawls all over you.

00:04:32.760 It's really annoying.

00:04:34.300 But then again, in winter, there's no bugs.

00:04:36.920 You can go sledding, you can go skiing,

00:04:38.440 you can go snowboarding.

00:04:39.920 But then again, it's really cold.

00:04:43.260 And I feel like spring and fall are kind of like

00:04:46.000 connecting seasons almost.

00:04:49.040 like spring like transitions into summer so there's still bugs but then it's still kind of

00:04:56.280 cold outside and there's not as much life so i don't like spring as much and then in fall

00:05:00.880 i feel like it always takes forever for the trees to actually like turn orange

00:05:06.300 even though everybody's like it's fall the leaves should be orange they're still green for like

00:05:11.820 ages kashup came in stronger with a real like strong opinion you've just like listed the

00:05:17.940 pros and cons of every season yeah which is interesting i honestly i don't and he had a

00:05:22.540 british accent who wins who wins the british accent convinced me yes you say bike rides in

00:05:27.240 a british accent i'm there oh it's a bike ride yeah that's true how dare you die no you like to

00:05:34.260 go in the peaceful bike rides and the dog walks with delta how come you have such a good british

00:05:38.640 accent didn't i live there for like two months still that's like surprisingly good i know in my

00:05:46.680 opinion it's totally not because i lived there for two months and was around british people the

00:05:51.640 whole time i'm british mine yeah kashav's got it locked in okay last time we talked about the man

00:06:00.060 box let's recap that one more time to get back to where we were talking about if you don't remember

00:06:04.960 we did physical appearance kashav what was one example of physical appearance strong you need

00:06:10.040 to be a bodybuilder okay what about feelings and emotions strong feelings such as rave okay

00:06:18.780 what about hobbies toys interests uh you need to be like athletic i just want to be

00:06:26.620 energized pause and say they both just flexed their biceps at me one at a time thank you for

00:06:34.660 that i really wish the audience could have appreciated um and then you said dating relationships

00:06:41.040 you said like being a gentleman and paying for stuff what about being competitive or sorry

00:06:45.560 competitive environment you're gonna be competitive mate you said aggressive oh yeah

00:06:49.300 those were the five questions i used to ask that was it but then i added a sixth and that question

00:06:57.720 is are there any particular stereotypes or expectations that have that would be put on

00:07:03.580 guys who look like you specifically this specific like like like doppelgangers of me well not a

00:07:09.860 clone but like if you see our old photos of us so it could be yourself when you had long hair

00:07:15.880 so someone who's indian someone who's white are there any particular stereotypes that come to

00:07:19.240 mind for who looks like you um oh i have a good one you gotta be racist it's what everybody expects

00:07:28.020 white boys to be okay tell us a little bit more about that i'd rather not um okay it's pretty 0.99

00:07:34.800 self-explanatory racism okay so people expect like teenage white boys to kind of be a douchebag 0.98

00:07:43.960 racist like yeah or just a douchebag honestly yeah okay that's probably that's probably a more 0.98

00:07:48.700 polite way of saying it racist is more polite probably at least it's more accurate well maybe 0.93

00:07:54.800 anyways so i mean it depends on the person where do you think that comes from 0.98

00:07:58.260 the fact that white boys are douchebags but where do you think that like white 0.99

00:08:02.980 boy douchebag mentality comes from i feel like white people just have like 1.00

00:08:08.160 something wrong with their brains the the deep um societal norms of white 1.00

00:08:14.800 supremacy yeah all right like we just have like the 0.91

00:08:18.880 thoughts but like why teenage boy why teenage boys in particular like why is

00:08:22.180 set a stereotype specifically for um well i mean it's probably because of like puberty and stuff

00:08:28.640 and then like you go through like what people call you like you know your defiance stage it's

00:08:32.500 like you just you know you decide to go against everything because why not there's probably like

00:08:42.920 a whole book waiting to be written about that how like in the let's just i don't really know this

00:08:46.620 but like it sounds like a book that you would have for yeah probably but like let's say in like

00:08:50.160 the 80s or whatever everyone's very conservative and then you have all these like punk you know

00:08:54.020 like teenage boys who are like you know super like getting things pierced and like you know

00:08:59.120 there's this like punk era and now we have this like very like progressive what some people will

00:09:03.720 call woke society and then you have like highly conservative guys who are like screw that you

00:09:08.780 know um interesting that's a conversation we'll have another time kush up anything come to mind

00:09:13.800 for you with whether it's like long hair brown skin anything for that stereotype

00:09:17.760 people only think i eat butter chicken okay and i wish i did

00:09:23.120 anything else no the butter chicken mean is massive right now bro the butter chicken

00:09:34.220 oh the italian brain right no no no we're not no even jonathan knows it bro 0.95

00:09:40.300 chimpanzini bananini i'm going to throw my candy at your head 0.55

00:09:44.320 yeah unfortunately we can't show our audience a picture of a shark with shoes on

00:09:52.160 next question is where do you think all these messages representations and norms come from

00:09:58.420 and the reason i ask that is because i've had this conversation with probably thousands of

00:10:05.300 boys at this point and it's the same thing every time like it's like everybody still knows the

00:10:09.860 exact same questions and nobody's ever surprised so like yeah you're supposed to be strong you're

00:10:13.140 supposed to be brave you're supposed to be aggressive you're supposed to be a gentleman

00:10:15.180 like all that kind of thing they're like yeah duh we're all familiar with that and the reason

00:10:19.040 that's interesting is because nobody ever sat you down and said here's the like here are the

00:10:23.320 rules to being a man no one ever gave you a book you know or a class and that kind of thing so no

00:10:28.380 one ever gave you a class saying this is what it means to be a man and yet everybody still knows

00:10:31.880 i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure some people gave me a class how do we know uh social media okay

00:10:39.300 let's brainstorm you said social media what sources of this messaging come to mind kashia

00:10:45.000 where do we see these representations of manhood uh probably like what lucas said social media and

00:10:50.560 also yeah it's basically just social media what social media is the only place friends

00:10:57.000 okay friends friend group sure like friends say that's not manly enough boy i'll say tv shows

00:11:05.340 like movies

00:11:05.980 that kind of thing

00:11:06.520 like Marvel

00:11:06.980 I feel like that's

00:11:07.380 social media

00:11:08.060 well I guess

00:11:09.300 everything's just

00:11:10.340 social media

00:11:10.900 media

00:11:11.300 like just media

00:11:12.120 in general

00:11:12.700 okay

00:11:13.260 okay

00:11:14.140 any other sources

00:11:15.400 um

00:11:16.520 literally

00:11:17.100 observation

00:11:18.280 seeing the people

00:11:19.800 around you

00:11:20.260 yeah

00:11:22.280 sometimes

00:11:22.720 Lego does it

00:11:23.580 Lego

00:11:24.840 what's an example

00:11:25.560 they just like

00:11:26.180 make a Lego set

00:11:27.780 they're like

00:11:29.640 they're no 1.00

00:11:30.100 black

00:11:32.400 Lego

00:11:33.000 characters

00:11:34.200 right there

00:11:34.760 what do you mean there's plenty of black logo characters not usually

00:11:39.820 mace windu yeah but like that's like the special sets

00:11:44.820 that's really interesting lego star wars is literally like the most like

00:11:51.100 but lego star wars is based on the lego franchise he's saying lego pieces in general

00:11:55.360 like look at all those characters out of all of those characters none okay well yeah because

00:12:00.600 They're yellow.

00:12:01.920 I think we did we talk last time about the like the girls Lego sets as well and that

00:12:05.960 kind of thing.

00:12:06.540 Yeah, we did.

00:12:07.240 We also talked about.

00:12:08.400 They're very girly. 1.00

00:12:09.360 They can't move both of their legs.

00:12:10.980 Selling things.

00:12:11.580 Ketchup wasn't there though.

00:12:13.400 Yeah.

00:12:13.620 The sales and the children.

00:12:17.220 Marketing.

00:12:17.800 Marketing.

00:12:18.420 Yeah.

00:12:18.740 First of all, do we think the stereotypes are accurate?

00:12:22.080 Yeah.

00:12:23.060 Well, I feel like stereotypes are accurate sometimes. 0.83

00:12:30.600 Like, they're accurate. 1.00

00:12:31.980 I feel like the stereotype is, like, a 50-50. 0.91

00:12:34.400 Also, it depends on the stereotype.

00:12:36.420 It depends on the stereotype.

00:12:38.340 But I feel like all stereotypes are accurate to some degree.

00:12:43.100 Even if it's, like, not accurate, it, like, they all stem from some truth.

00:12:49.260 Even if it's, like, horribly inaccurate, it will stem from some truth or misunderstanding.

00:12:54.840 Yeah.

00:12:55.480 So, they all have partial bits of truth hidden in them.

00:12:59.320 Right.

00:12:59.500 Somewhere.

00:13:00.600 Okay. So like the stereotype that boys are supposed to be like into sports and playing like sports, that kind of thing.

00:13:06.060 It's like that origin is somewhere is true. 0.92

00:13:09.240 Somewhere.

00:13:10.020 Some small bit of it.

00:13:11.500 Yeah.

00:13:11.900 Okay. In terms of its impact, what would you say is something you like about yourself that is totally stereotypical?

00:13:19.820 Like some part of what you do or how you act or your identity interests, that kind of thing is totally stereotypical and you totally love it. 0.57

00:13:26.840 Ooh, rich white boy.

00:13:29.220 Are you really that rich?

00:13:30.460 money having access to money yeah why do you like that have you seen my lego room sir

00:13:37.900 you're like also known as your bedroom but apparently it's called the lego room i agree

00:13:44.060 it should be called it it's like 90 lego at this point i should just build the room out of lego

00:13:51.020 so we talked about this i think in the very first episode you said something you like about yourself

00:13:54.720 is entrepreneurship

00:13:55.320 and like

00:13:56.180 he made cookies

00:13:57.780 just to get the like

00:13:58.980 longest Lego set

00:14:00.260 in the world

00:14:00.700 so the stereotype

00:14:02.280 is that like

00:14:02.800 is that like breadwinner

00:14:04.140 or making money

00:14:04.800 that kind of thing

00:14:05.860 but you actually like it

00:14:06.640 because it gets you

00:14:07.100 things that you like

00:14:07.820 yeah

00:14:08.480 and enjoy

00:14:08.880 what about you

00:14:11.460 there's nothing

00:14:13.640 there's nothing you like

00:14:15.060 about yourself

00:14:15.520 or there's nothing

00:14:15.900 stereotypical about yourself

00:14:17.100 no nothing stereotypical

00:14:18.660 oh yeah

00:14:21.360 samosas

00:14:22.380 i do love samosas i do okay you do a ton of sports not that many i do ultimate frisbee

00:14:32.900 badminton pickle we picked pickleball today basketball squash i do i'm doing a soccer

00:14:38.740 tournament coming up i play american football sometimes i do ball hockey also known as not

00:14:45.360 that many sports yeah so do you like that part of yourself that's really athletic sure

00:14:51.180 you don't sound convinced i like squash you like playing sports yes you would mostly squash

00:15:00.200 you mostly like playing squash why do you like playing squash because i'm good at squash

00:15:04.380 nice you like squash what do you what else do you like about it apart from being good at it

00:15:09.820 well no you get to like hang out with your friends at tournaments

00:15:12.920 and it's fun and i get medals and sometimes if they're like special tournaments you can get money

00:15:19.960 so there's the social dynamic and there's the achievement dynamic yeah i'm kind of interested

00:15:26.500 is there like a physical dynamic that you like the actual physicality of squash or is it just

00:15:30.880 the social you see my leg muscles no see my leg muscles squishy squishy wait no i have really big

00:15:38.260 leg muscles it's hard to do it for okay i'll admire your leg muscles you like having muscular legs

00:15:46.920 No.

00:15:47.640 I shall admire your...

00:15:48.760 You just like having muscles.

00:15:50.380 Yes, I'm very strong.

00:15:51.580 Who doesn't?

00:15:52.900 Oh, yeah, I also do track and field and cross-country.

00:15:54.340 But you could do something social and achieve.

00:15:56.640 I also do track and field and cross-country, by the way.

00:15:59.940 I'm going to add that to the list.

00:16:02.620 My answer would also be sports and athletics.

00:16:06.260 But for me, there is something that...

00:16:07.780 Yeah, there's the social dynamic and there's the achievement dynamic.

00:16:10.120 But as you know, I like trail riding, like mountain biking in the Don Valley.

00:16:13.800 And sometimes I don't do that with anybody else.

00:16:15.240 and I don't do that

00:16:15.960 to win an award

00:16:16.680 I just do that

00:16:17.260 for like the physical

00:16:18.100 fun of it

00:16:19.200 so there is something

00:16:19.860 just about getting

00:16:20.680 in that headspace

00:16:21.500 that like flow state

00:16:23.260 that I really do like

00:16:24.560 as well

00:16:25.520 what about something

00:16:26.200 that you love about yourself

00:16:27.180 that is totally

00:16:27.860 non-stereotypical

00:16:29.100 so same question

00:16:32.040 but outside the box

00:16:33.340 I'm not a fan

00:16:37.440 of like

00:16:38.160 you know all the

00:16:39.260 big rappers

00:16:40.420 like

00:16:41.800 those people 0.82

00:16:43.340 all boys just like it 0.99

00:16:46.320 I'm fine

00:16:47.720 with my Connor Price

00:16:49.760 and Boy With You

00:16:50.580 very good

00:16:53.040 you like your non-stereotypical music taste

00:16:54.880 cool

00:16:56.000 oh people if you're listening to this

00:16:58.620 go listen to Connor Price and Boy With You

00:17:00.180 free promo

00:17:02.440 shout out Boy With You

00:17:04.560 and Connor Price

00:17:05.440 he just posted a new song can we play the song

00:17:07.740 Danny cue the song Caveman real quick

00:17:10.380 all I do is make five I'm a caveman never tried the ball got great hands I was young

00:17:25.700 it was get rich a guy trying now I'm grown still rolling with the same plans had other plans are

00:17:31.520 made to not one of them will struggle or just make do never satisfied and still the same dude so

00:17:37.180 When I made my first million, I had to make two.

00:17:40.860 What are you, Lucas?

00:17:42.380 I feel like fashion or whatever, clothes, everybody's always like,

00:17:47.160 oh my gosh, you've got to wear this and wear this.

00:17:49.240 I'm like, I don't care.

00:17:50.860 I wear whatever's at the top of my drawer.

00:17:53.280 And the more I open my drawer, I'm like, okay, I guess I'm wearing this today.

00:17:56.660 I go to private school, so it's already decided.

00:17:59.060 True.

00:17:59.840 Also, specifically, I want to say shoes.

00:18:02.280 Everybody's like, oh, you know, you've got to get those.

00:18:04.060 You need the Jordans.

00:18:05.080 The Jordans.

00:18:05.820 It's like, I'm going to spend like, I don't know, like $300 on shoes or whatever.

00:18:09.800 No, they're actually like $4,000.

00:18:10.780 And then it's like, okay, but they're $300 shoes.

00:18:13.300 I can't wear them.

00:18:13.920 I'm going to get them dirty.

00:18:14.600 I'm going to crease them.

00:18:15.260 I'm like, isn't the entire point of getting shoes to wear them?

00:18:18.180 And then they're so expensive that you don't wear them.

00:18:21.220 True.

00:18:22.020 And then pain.

00:18:24.800 Mm-hmm.

00:18:25.660 Also, for the record, Lucas is wearing a t-shirt with iguanas wearing sunglasses and a surfboard on a bicycle.

00:18:32.920 I'm just wearing like an athletic shirt.

00:18:34.880 Yeah, because you were just playing pickleball.

00:18:36.680 Although the one thing I like,

00:18:38.300 fashion, zipper, zipper pockets.

00:18:40.440 Pockets with zippers.

00:18:41.580 Very nice, because things don't fall out of them.

00:18:43.000 Look at my zipper pockets.

00:18:44.640 Shout out, that's our new show.

00:18:45.840 So we shout it out,

00:18:46.420 Boy With You, Conner Price,

00:18:47.420 and Pants With Pockets With Zippers.

00:18:48.860 I think my answer would be artistic.

00:18:51.900 Oh yes, you should paint a mural on your wall.

00:18:54.060 When I was traveling,

00:18:55.900 we would just sit in the mountains

00:18:57.920 and I would draw in the tent at night

00:18:59.960 and I would draw and illustrate

00:19:01.180 and that kind of thing.

00:19:02.280 Whether it's handwriting

00:19:03.200 or like a line drawing

00:19:05.380 I don't know, it's not totally stereotypical

00:19:07.700 but I like that self-expression

00:19:09.760 and like way to spend time

00:19:11.760 so then follow up question is

00:19:13.500 what would the world look like

00:19:15.100 if all we ever had

00:19:17.640 was boys who played sports

00:19:19.460 and listened to Drake

00:19:20.400 wore stylish clothing

00:19:23.080 and didn't do art

00:19:24.160 we wouldn't have a world

00:19:25.400 it would be over

00:19:27.040 we would have like 0.99

00:19:28.900 they would have all become fat 0.99

00:19:30.640 we would have all died

00:19:31.980 oh i have another one airpods why does everybody have airpods even you have airpods i have airpods

00:19:38.280 because they connect really seamlessly to apple devices in my all the kids are like so does my

00:19:42.640 earbuds that cost 20 dollars that work i see all the kids from like my old school and they're like

00:19:48.080 they have like airpods in their ear just talking all the time and like i wear headphones on the

00:19:54.700 way back from school because one i take the bus and two it takes in like an hour right so i need

00:19:59.700 music when i play my geometry dash right shout out geometry dash

00:20:03.040 where do you get so many sponsorships for all these shows

00:20:08.800 shout out geometry if we if we get the podcast sponsorship can we have more

00:20:13.220 money yeah if we get sponsored by geometry dash

00:20:15.720 let's go let me text up rob you're saying but you're saying it's kind of

00:20:20.240 disrespectful to wear airpods when you're talking to people

00:20:21.960 yeah because like i know people from my old school who are dating

00:20:26.120 and while they're like walking together

00:20:28.500 on the way home

00:20:29.700 the kid's just wearing airpods

00:20:32.080 really? yeah

00:20:33.460 with the person that he's dating? yes

00:20:35.180 Jonathan would never do something like that

00:20:38.540 speaking of which

00:20:39.900 did you go on a second date? I did I'll tell you

00:20:42.120 about that later

00:20:42.900 which person is this? I'll tell you later

00:20:45.520 what adjectives would you

00:20:47.240 so Lucas was like the world would not exist

00:20:49.180 it would not we would have killed each other by now

00:20:52.260 okay so you're saying the world would be more violent

00:20:54.080 if everybody was like totally

00:20:55.180 okay what other adjectives come to mind potentially more violent it would be so boring okay we have

00:21:01.300 boring everybody would be the same the same what else got you up nobody would be doing any work

00:21:06.760 okay so like distracted yeah boring um what other adjectives come to mind

00:21:14.060 everyone's the same not getting work done

00:21:18.060 okay that might be mostly it it's boring right yeah for me school's boring well school's already

00:21:27.540 kind of boring so it's like a bit of an uphill battle well yeah okay and then what about a world

00:21:36.140 in which people can like be more closely aligned to their own interests qualities the kind of

00:21:43.600 person they am the parts of themselves that fit and the parts of themselves that don't

00:21:46.920 What adjectives would you give that?

00:21:48.400 People would be like, you know, cooler, like more, more, more good.

00:21:51.460 They wouldn't waste their money on shoes.

00:21:54.260 Stop wasting your money on Jordans, everybody.

00:21:56.740 It's a waste.

00:21:57.700 It is really weird.

00:21:58.240 At least wear them if you do, you know?

00:22:00.120 Like, don't just like put them in pain.

00:22:03.240 You said people would be cooler.

00:22:04.740 You said people would be more connected.

00:22:06.340 People would be more, uh, it would also be like, I feel like it would be a healthier world.

00:22:11.400 Like, there wouldn't be as much littering or like pollution or like melting ice caps.

00:22:16.780 Blah, blah, blah.

00:22:17.240 Yeah.

00:22:17.840 What?

00:22:18.140 How are melting ice caps related to the man box?

00:22:21.060 Oh, guys, if you have the new ice cap.

00:22:22.780 Convince me right now.

00:22:23.840 You can't kill Tim Gortz.

00:22:24.560 You want to sponsor me.

00:22:25.240 I need to hear this explanation.

00:22:26.840 I don't know.

00:22:28.140 It'll just be like a healthier world because not all.

00:22:31.820 Because people, like a less polluted world, right?

00:22:33.960 Like my friends are like, they like have gum, right?

00:22:37.720 They eat the gum and then they throw the garbage and like,

00:22:40.360 and once it touches that, they're like, 0.94

00:22:42.380 Pisa, why are you littering? 0.81

00:22:44.420 and then I'd just leave the garbage on the ground.

00:22:47.620 Okay, so a better connection to our ecological home.

00:22:53.440 Yeah, also, if you would stop wasting your money on shoes and AirPods and stuff,

00:22:57.400 then less would be made and there'd be less manufacturing and better for the earth.

00:23:01.820 We would make better decisions.

00:23:06.260 Decisions.

00:23:07.760 So things like maybe stop building factories.

00:23:14.420 keep all the Lego factories

00:23:16.280 those are good

00:23:16.880 keep all the Lego factories

00:23:18.180 I agree

00:23:18.540 okay

00:23:18.840 first of all

00:23:19.400 you're talking about

00:23:20.300 like a more

00:23:21.400 reciprocal relationship

00:23:23.400 with the ecological world

00:23:24.360 you're talking about

00:23:25.060 less consumerism

00:23:26.000 which are both good answers

00:23:27.460 but they're like

00:23:28.060 global level

00:23:29.200 like

00:23:30.060 what about in your

00:23:30.840 day to day life

00:23:31.540 what would be different

00:23:32.200 you wouldn't get jumped

00:23:34.400 less people would be

00:23:36.820 vaping in the washroom

00:23:37.900 when I try

00:23:38.620 I'm used to school

00:23:39.340 washroom

00:23:40.180 there wouldn't be people 0.68

00:23:41.720 just like

00:23:42.180 I swear every time

00:23:43.640 I go in

00:23:44.040 And there's at least, like, eight kids just, like, vaping and looking on their phones, just, like, skipping class.

00:23:49.460 All the bathrooms just perpetually smell like a vape smell.

00:23:51.980 It's so terrible.

00:23:53.840 Kids are going to ruin their lungs.

00:23:56.140 Me visiting the cool kids who vaped in 30 years.

00:23:59.480 Yep.

00:24:00.060 At a graveyard.

00:24:02.840 Have you ever quit, not done something or quit something because it wasn't part of the stereotype of what boys are supposed to do?

00:24:10.300 No.

00:24:12.240 In your entire life?

00:24:13.320 maybe when I was like younger

00:24:16.800 but like I don't remember that

00:24:18.180 I feel like I have like 10 examples

00:24:22.960 of this in my life

00:24:24.660 then say them

00:24:26.300 switch the interview around

00:24:29.080 Johnny we're interviewing you

00:24:30.960 come on let's go

00:24:32.240 let's do the 10 we'll count down

00:24:34.360 I didn't get my ears pierced until I was in my 20s

00:24:38.520 and you regret that

00:24:39.540 because I wish I'd done it sooner because I liked them

00:24:41.300 but I didn't want to get made fun of

00:24:42.400 um i um skipped gym class um because i was afraid of wrestling um boys that were more aggro than me

00:24:52.380 um we don't use abbreviations in this class in this interview with me what am i at two so far

00:25:00.520 yes um i quit gymnastics i quit ballet

00:25:05.340 um i remember specifically choosing books that my friends would choose like

00:25:14.580 they're like books about cars and books about animals instead of boring yeah i'd rather read

00:25:20.500 books about people and kill each other oh that would be fun

00:25:24.840 i like this book i like this book uh oh what's the shout out what's the author's name

00:25:33.800 uh what is this book you're trying to do another shout out it's this book called the jump and it's

00:25:38.900 about like these kids who do like you know what geocaching is it's a do you know yeah okay to the

00:25:46.320 people can you explain it i forget what it is well like i don't know the book oh geocaching

00:25:50.900 i thought you explained the jump i was like i don't know what you're talking about geocaching

00:25:54.040 is where there's specific treasures hidden in the world and they're tagged with like coordinates

00:25:57.320 you can find online and then you go find them yeah and then basically they do this one and

00:26:02.640 they get into like this big thing like bigger than there's bigger than geocaching it's like

00:26:09.560 just a bunch of old maybe like 18 or 19 year olds i haven't read the book in a while and it's

00:26:15.220 actually just fun you're just reading about it cool about them almost getting killed well i read

00:26:21.380 pretty boring books when i was younger because that's what all my friends read johnny okay what

00:26:26.660 about is there something that you would do that you haven't done so far but you would do if there's

00:26:31.300 no stereotypes like i'd totally do this bungee jumping i want to go bungee jumping and skydiving

00:26:37.820 you know that's not a stereotype bill that's not a stereotype at all choking jonathan on his water

00:26:43.320 yeah i just got choked on my water

00:26:44.560 what about a quality that you could have more of if it was money no that's not a quality

00:26:54.940 i'm pretty sure that's i wish i was smarter a quality that's like outside the stereotype

00:27:01.800 that you're like there's a quality that i still care about yeah apparently i'm like supposed to

00:27:06.220 not be smart uh apparently to the girls in my class i'm not supposed to be smart what do you

00:27:13.000 in they don't consider me smart when i literally have the best grades in the class why don't how

00:27:17.640 do you know they don't consider you smart they're like oh you're not smart and you don't know how

00:27:23.100 to do this or this and like i literally know how to do it when i see them just cheating off their

00:27:27.740 test the whole time yeah i feel like girls just assume all boys yeah they kind of just assume

00:27:32.900 that which you know i mean also that's a stereotype do you like talking class and stuff

00:27:37.780 they just like randomly pop out and say it huh and that's just girls being yeah it is

00:27:44.700 when i've seen them cheat on tests using snapchat ai i'll tell you something that's happening in

00:27:52.000 the world that you guys like that you guys should know about then you tell me something happening

00:27:57.000 for all the new fortnite updates so good yeah italian whatever it comes to you could explain

00:28:03.480 italian no please no no yes let's explain can i do it right now yeah an italian brain is this thing

00:28:10.920 where it's like these random characters combined together and you kind of put them in like a

00:28:16.840 stereotypical italian accent or like add letters to like a chimpanzee that's green that has the

00:28:27.040 body of a banana which is called chimpanzee ni bananini and you say like that or like a shark

00:28:33.340 on the beach with legs wearing nike uh-huh tralalelo tralala so stuff like that and delta 0.83

00:28:41.840 would be a delta chino cappuccino we made delta into italian brain rot 0.69

00:28:49.000 yeah but like i don't know where it started from do you um i don't know do you know where

00:28:54.980 italian brain rot came from lucas hey siri where did italian brain rot come from

00:29:02.180 my guess would just be tiktok italian meme communities but quickly expanded to a global

00:29:09.840 audience where did you come across it i school like what do you mean like the teacher brought

00:29:17.360 it up in school you learned it no like you just talk about it at school okay and what do you think

00:29:23.160 is it's like significance why is it like why why bring it up right now what like it's just like

00:29:29.480 something that most people know about it in the world but like let's say if you don't know about

00:29:37.380 it you're considered like chronically offline you're kind of considered just like not disconnected

00:29:43.820 from yeah social and it's like a stereotype kind of of being chronically offline yes tell me a 0.93

00:29:50.240 little bit more about why is it worth an adult knowing that italian brain rot exists because 0.95

00:29:55.060 They know what kids are talking about when they go, chimpanzee by the nini. 0.99

00:30:00.820 Why is it worth them knowing what they're talking about?

00:30:03.600 I know a lot of adults that are just like, and they just make a joke.

00:30:06.260 They're like, I don't understand that stuff.

00:30:07.260 I couldn't care less, basically.

00:30:09.320 Well, they don't really have to know.

00:30:11.020 I don't know why Luke said that.

00:30:12.080 You don't have to know.

00:30:13.400 But then again, I feel like a lot of adults would be very annoyed

00:30:19.120 when some random kid keeps on saying some random stuff they don't know.

00:30:23.320 and then they want to know what that means

00:30:26.260 or like

00:30:28.060 yeah if I didn't know what that means

00:30:34.580 I would be driving me even more crazy than it is now

00:30:36.820 like

00:30:38.200 you don't need

00:30:39.280 the parents don't need to know that

00:30:41.500 it's not really something bad

00:30:43.860 it's bad

00:30:44.920 it might ruin

00:30:48.340 the kids brain

00:30:49.660 but like it's not something

00:30:52.000 that they need to be worried about right so i don't know why johnny brought you need to be

00:30:56.260 worried okay well i have two let me convince you i have two reasons reason number one is because 0.97

00:30:59.820 sometimes it is bad italian brain rot is basically harmless it's pretty stupid it's actually not it's 0.96

00:31:05.000 actually been scientifically proven that it actually um lowers your attention span if you 0.98

00:31:09.880 watch it for too long like italian brain rat like they did a study and the italian brain

00:31:14.060 it decreases your like attention span so it actually is bad please do not watch it well 0.57

00:31:20.060 what i meant by that is that it's not like it's not targeting any particular person it's like not

00:31:24.500 like some like secret subtextual message about how like we should like hate immigrants or like

00:31:29.580 hate to us lgbtq individuals like there's no actual subtext to it it's just silliness but

00:31:34.400 sometimes messages like that do have a subtext they are a reference to something else like that

00:31:38.580 so parents knowing or adults knowing what that is is helpful because they know okay it's not that

00:31:42.660 big of a deal reason number two is because it signals that they're not chronically offline

00:31:47.960 if they know a little bit about what's going on and that means they're just a little bit more

00:31:52.320 relevant or connected to the actual lives of the young people that they work with or that they are

00:31:56.140 raising boom i think it's worth knowing about thank you for sharing lucas what's your thing

00:32:00.600 that adults should know about or something relevant in your life lately that's worth

00:32:04.500 discussing last time we talked about you getting your first job which was pretty interesting um

00:32:09.060 i i honestly don't know i can't think of anything other than maybe video games adults should play

00:32:17.920 more video games well like what okay so what is literally like but like i can't some ruin like

00:32:22.320 kids like maybe gta about all the guns what video games have you been playing in the last week or

00:32:27.060 two minecraft minecraft okay so tell us so tell us something that i don't like the ads probably

00:32:32.140 don't know about minecraft oh lucas i have an idea if you go home do you want to play some

00:32:36.440 minecraft sure yeah you're about to say something okay um i was gonna say something like silly like

00:32:44.400 okay to craft a beacon everybody um i don't know i feel like more adults should play minecraft it's

00:32:52.380 a fun game oh yeah like my my english teacher plays minecraft yeah like it's the most popular

00:32:57.360 game in the world i feel like a lot of kids are talking with like tell their parents about it so

00:33:01.280 their parents could know what they're like it's not a bad game it's an amazing game like depends

00:33:06.120 on if like the kid has gun mods installed you know there's actually banning yeah let's assume

00:33:11.360 they don't have any mod packs installed what about what's like what if a parent was gonna play

00:33:16.040 minecraft how would they get started okay so first you're gonna want to go to microsoft store and

00:33:21.480 you're gonna want to purchase minecraft which comes 40 or 30 depending on what package you want

00:33:26.740 you should get java edition because it's better let's assume they probably are going to play

00:33:31.040 minecraft because their kid has minecraft so they should get bedrock edition because it's better

00:33:35.240 how do they get started if they already like don't talk about downloading it because their

00:33:38.620 kid already has it so they have minecraft are already on some sort of device what's like a

00:33:42.980 way to like learn how to play or like understand okay so basically it's lucas's turn lucas's turn

00:33:48.980 i would say there's no really built-in tutorial to the game which is unfortunate a lot of people

00:33:54.120 have pointed that out well no there's an there was an old tutorial world back in like oh yeah

00:33:58.400 there was that's like an old tutorial like 2012 or something yeah but then they got rid of that

00:34:02.900 which is kind of bad

00:34:04.100 now I'd say

00:34:05.620 like watch a

00:34:06.540 Minecraft Let's Play

00:34:07.400 or like a

00:34:08.020 Minecraft tutorial

00:34:08.820 on like how to

00:34:09.640 get started and stuff

00:34:10.720 and once you get

00:34:11.560 started it's

00:34:12.100 like the parents

00:34:12.760 have to go on

00:34:13.460 YouTube and

00:34:14.100 parents don't

00:34:14.660 really like

00:34:15.180 know

00:34:15.880 put your phone

00:34:16.240 on my cash app

00:34:16.860 if you just go

00:34:18.040 on social media

00:34:18.600 and look at

00:34:18.980 like Minecraft

00:34:19.460 tutorials or

00:34:20.240 like Minecraft

00:34:21.120 for like beginners

00:34:22.120 or whatever

00:34:22.740 and it'll probably

00:34:23.700 usually like tell you

00:34:24.500 some like beginner

00:34:25.100 stuff about

00:34:26.040 Minecraft

00:34:26.380 okay so YouTube

00:34:27.440 Minecraft for

00:34:28.400 beginners basically

00:34:29.020 yeah

00:34:29.920 okay

00:34:30.640 and what's your

00:34:31.820 case on why

00:34:32.340 should matter to parents um because it's literally the most popular game in the world and so many

00:34:36.820 kids know about it and play it therefore there's a ball under there so many kids are telling that

00:34:42.360 to their parents and then their parents are like oh cool i have no idea what you're talking about

00:34:47.600 though so you know like some parents might really enjoy it or some parents might get mad because

00:34:51.600 they're constantly dying to a skeleton with a fish gun texture pack that i have have any of your

00:34:57.440 parents ever played minecraft with you uh nope my parents have nope like a little bit nope they

00:35:02.280 don't understand that much but they do nope okay i know when i was young my dad would play video

00:35:07.660 games with me and my brother and it was always kind of like a little bit cringy because he was

00:35:11.420 pretty terrible at them but it was like pretty nice like that he would just come and hang out

00:35:15.680 with us and spend time with us i still remember it right that was a long time ago yeah pants back

00:35:21.120 in my day jonathan's an ump okay my turn to tell you guys something okay i'm curious to bounce this

00:35:27.720 off you i was having a conversation with a different 14 year old we were talking about a book that i

00:35:31.600 started reading called the anxious generation have you guys heard of this book it's a very

00:35:35.480 johnny book exactly it's like something all the adults are talking about right now it's written

00:35:39.980 by again i'm jonathan hate and it's basically about phones and social media and the point is

00:35:45.000 that basically social media is like unleashing this like rewiring of neurobiology that is like

00:35:51.500 making the young generation more anxious less resilient more stressed um that kind of thing

00:35:57.580 So I mentioned this to my other friend who's 14. 0.99

00:36:00.180 That sounds like some parental bullshit. 0.99

00:36:02.560 They made up to get us off screens. 1.00

00:36:04.640 Okay.

00:36:04.880 She was like, there's something to be said for social media and phones.

00:36:10.600 Yeah.

00:36:10.780 They're probably not great.

00:36:11.880 In fact, we could just say they're definitely not great for your like mental health and

00:36:15.520 wellbeing.

00:36:16.080 Not terrible though.

00:36:16.860 And they're like designed in a way to like maintain your attention to like devout, to

00:36:20.520 like undermine your self-esteem, like all those kinds of things.

00:36:22.780 She was like, sure.

00:36:23.560 but then she was like look parents if you actually cared about my generation we've been telling you

00:36:30.600 what's stressing us out for like a couple of decades now and it's not social media it's the

00:36:36.060 fact that we're looking around ourselves and like the world is falling apart so she was like it's

00:36:42.760 climate change like the looming climate catastrophe is stressing us out she was like it's school

00:36:47.680 shootings the fact that like thousands of us or millions of us can't go to school without being

00:36:52.560 worried about getting shot like it's the fact she talked about like war in the middle like the

00:36:56.820 middle east she'd like so she basically just like listed all these different things and she was like

00:37:00.640 yeah sure social media is not that great but then she said like if you really cared about us like if

00:37:07.540 you really were thinking about our well-being you would be there for us when we told you when like

00:37:13.820 where were you when we were marching for our lives where were you when we were um you know

00:37:19.240 trying to press our governments to take climate action um or advocate for like peace in the world

00:37:24.260 like she was like basically like show up then if you actually care now that i've told you her

00:37:28.600 perspective do you have any further thoughts no i agree no and i agree well i think it's worth

00:37:36.740 thinking about like um for you guys what does stress look like in your lives and how does like

00:37:43.560 the global like set of like whether it's the housing crisis the climate catastrophe um like

00:37:50.640 i don't know if school shootings are as significant of it like certainly there's

00:37:53.820 like mass violence in canada as much as there's anywhere else like how do those basically so where

00:37:59.760 the conversation started with this other kid was she was talking about how she should have been

00:38:02.900 studying for math but she was like i don't want to study for math because if i start studying for

00:38:06.520 math then i'm gonna get stressed out and i'm already stressed out and we were like there's

00:38:09.740 probably a finite amount of space for stress in your body oh yes when i get stretched out it's

00:38:14.400 like during group projects yeah so like you talk about having to do group projects basically by

00:38:20.080 yourself yeah yeah i don't like it do you get stressed stressed out by some of those other

00:38:27.300 global things you don't think about them that much nope okay what about you lucas um yeah lucas

00:38:34.440 yeah yeah school sucks they should they gotta fix the school system but what about the like

00:38:39.660 climate the climate change like yeah that's stressful they're like basically everybody's 0.94

00:38:44.860 like the world is falling apart and burning itself up by the way that's your problem anyways right

00:38:51.060 back to math and we're just like oh what they're like they're like okay yeah so if the world gets

00:38:59.680 like a few degrees hotter we're all gonna like burn up natural disasters will happen uh we're

00:39:04.380 all gonna die though first and it's gonna be your guys problem uh we made the problem you guys find

00:39:09.640 the solution have fun with that we're gonna be uh busy teaching you guys about a calculus that

00:39:15.580 you don't need to know and you know just don't worry you'll know how a mitochondria works um

00:39:23.040 we're not gonna tell you to stop this climate disaster i am so into that explanation of like

00:39:28.540 what the dissonance like the cognitive dissonance of being in school is like these days that is such

00:39:33.860 a bold way to put it hey the world is falling apart it's our fault it's your problem and by

00:39:40.240 the way let's learn math like and by the way did you know that a squared plus b squared equals c

00:39:45.900 squared yeah like we don't care how do we fix the earth interesting yeah that's really interesting

00:39:51.980 kesh up any thoughts on that no pressure i agree um okay to close out give let's say we're we

00:39:58.940 typically assume that it's like adults listening to this podcast but let's assume there's a 12 or

00:40:02.280 13 year old listening to this episode what advice in terms of navigating the stereotype

00:40:06.720 that gender box man box stereotype i have a great one i have a great one be quiet my first

00:40:12.440 okay fine basically like to navigate it it's kind of like either just be like adjust to the

00:40:23.560 stereotypes or join a group of people who like don't care about the stereotypes and just don't

00:40:31.360 go into any other group so find a group of friends that are authentic and make sure you spend time

00:40:38.040 with them yeah to like keep your sanity and your well-being yeah cool your turn lucas i would say 0.98

00:40:45.080 for stereotypes um and excuse my french to i typically just go i don't give a fuck what you

00:40:53.780 think i should do i'm gonna do what i want to do okay so you go away or just typically just 0.68

00:41:02.480 ignore people they're like hey why aren't you wearing that or hey why don't you have the latest

00:41:05.980 iphone or like that just like ignore them because or go because because why should i like i don't

00:41:13.120 care um yeah basically just say i don't care that usually shuts people up to or or just make them

00:41:23.420 explain why like if they say oh you should have this you should have this i say why why why and

00:41:28.560 then they're like oh because it's cool why is it cool and then typically their brains just stop

00:41:33.380 working at that point because they're like because because because and then they leave you alone

00:41:39.540 or just ignore them or defenestrate them if you feel like you know like extra extra annoyed that

00:41:46.900 day cool so we have find authentic connection and maintain defiance that's dope you can't tell me

00:41:55.440 what to do i like it okay that'll be the end rock and roll we did it in thank you guys for

00:42:03.040 listening to boycotting johnny's head

00:42:16.900 We'll be right back.

Breaking the Boy Code - March 12, 2026

The World Is Falling Apart, By the Way Here’s Math

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